On the Complaints of Job and David 1.30–3.2
Latin text: CSEL 32.2 (Latin text: Schenkl/Petschenig, CSEL 32.2, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 1
1.30CSEL 32.2:230–231
Abyssus ergo dixit: non est in me, quia ipse dominus dixit: non derelinques animam meam in infernum. et apostolus dixit: quis descendit in abyssum? hoc est Christum ex mortuis deducere. ergo si interrogatur abyssus: ubi est sapientia? respondet: non est in me, quia resurrexit. si interrogatur mare: ubi est sapientia? dicit: non est mecum, quia calcauit me nec fluctus mei eam turbare potuerunt. et tu ergo in hoc saeculi istius positus freto noli perfectam illam dei sapientiam in hoc mundo quaerere, quia mundus eam non cognouit. sed si uis eam inuenire, calca fluctus istius mundi, sicut calcauit Petrus, et ambula super aquas istius saeculi. porriget tibi dexteram sapientia, sicut porrexit et Petro, quia nemo fuit quem non saeculi istius unda turbauerit. turbauit et Abraham, turbauit et Moysen, turbauit et Petrum. Moyses per mare transiuit et per mare peditem duxit exercitum, sed ante ipse turbatus est. Petrus super aquas calcauit, sed mersus fuerat corpore, quia infirmioris fidei uestigio claudicauit. ergo noli sapientiam in mari quaerere, quia non dixit cum mari se futurum dominus Iesus, sed cum apostolis suis, ut aliqua, eum ex parte cognoscerent, quibus ait: ecce ego uobiscum sum usque ad consummationem mundi. beati cum quibus est: utinam et nobiscum sit, sed nobiscum mare est. Petrus cum Christo, quia et ipse calcauit mare: nobis aurum cordi atque argentum est. sapientia autem supra aurum, non in auro est. ideo qui sapientiam habere cupiebat argentum inquit et aurum non habeo, sed quod habeo do tibi. in nomine Iesu Christi Nazaraei surge et ambula. quia aurum non habebat, in nomine Christi habebat operationis piae gratiam. ideo et tibi dicitur: attrahe sapientiam in interiora. latuit inquit omnem hominem, et a uolatilibus caeli abscondita erat. nec homines sciebant ubi erat nec angeli, quia ipsi sunt aues caeli, de quibus dictum est: et uidi angelum uolantem per caelum.
The abyss said, then, “It is not in me,” because the Lord himself said: “You will not leave my soul in hell.” And the apostle said: “Who will descend into the abyss? That is, to bring Christ up from the dead.” So if the abyss is asked: Where is wisdom? it answers: It is not in me, because he has risen. If the sea is asked: Where is wisdom? it says: It is not with me, because he trod on me and my waves could not trouble him. You too, then, placed in the strait of this world, do not seek that perfect wisdom of God in this world, because the world did not know it. But if you wish to find it, tread on the waves of this world, as Peter trod, and walk on the waters of this age. Wisdom will stretch out its right hand to you, as it stretched it out to Peter, because there was no one whom the wave of this world did not trouble. It troubled Abraham, it troubled Moses, it troubled Peter. Moses crossed through the sea and led an army on foot through the sea, but first he himself was troubled. Peter trod on the waters, but he had sunk in body, because he limped with the footstep of weaker faith. So do not seek wisdom in the sea, because the Lord Jesus did not say that he would be with the sea, but with his apostles, so that they might know him in some part, to whom he said: “Behold, I am with you until the end of the world.” Blessed are those with whom he is: would that he were with us too; but with us is the sea. Peter was with Christ, because he too trod on the sea; to us gold and silver are dear. But wisdom is above gold, not in gold. Therefore one who desired to have wisdom said: “Silver and gold I have not, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise and walk.” Because he had no gold, he had in the name of Christ the grace of devout working. Therefore it is said to you too: “Draw wisdom into your inmost parts.” “It was hidden,” he says, “from every man, and concealed from the birds of heaven.” Neither men knew where it was nor angels, for they are the birds of heaven, of whom it is said: “And I saw an angel flying through heaven.”
Job 28:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 16:10 (15:10 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 10:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 14:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 14:31 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 14:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 28:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 3:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 28:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 28:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 14:6 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Wisdom is not in the abyss or the sea, for Christ rose and trod the waves; we find it by walking over the world’s waves with faith.
- Ps 16:10 (Vulgate 15:10); Rom 10:7; 1 Cor 1:21; Matt 14:29–31; Exod 14:15–22; Matt 28:20; Acts 3:6; Job 28:18, 21 in the form of the Greek; Rev 14:6.
Topics: Resurrection and ascension of Christ
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 1.30 (CSEL 32.2:230–231; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/1-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.31CSEL 32.2:231–233
Nemo potuit nosse sapientiam, quia nemo nouit filium nisi pater et nemo nouit patrem nisi filius et cui uoluerit filius reuelare. ipse ergo reuelauit Iohanni, cum quo esset sapientia, et ideo dixit ille non quod suum erat, sed quod sapientia infudit ei: in principio erat uerbum et uerbum erat aput deum. nescit sapientiam interitus, nescit malitia. interitus enim eam tenere non potuit, quae dixit: ubi est, mors, uictoria tua? ubi est, mors, aculeus tuus? nescit eam malitia, quia dixit: quaerent me mali et non inuenient. possunt dicere: audiuimus gloriam eius. solus est deus, qui nouit eam. quia deus inquit bene constituit uiam eius, ipse nouit locum eius. quod sit receptaculum sapientiae audi discipulum eius dicentem: unigenitus filius, qui est in sinu patris, ipse enarrauit. agnouit enim patrem filius, quia ipse ait: sicut agnoscit me pater, et ego agnosco patrem. aequa mensura est cognitionis, ubi unitas potestatis est. pater ergo, qui omnia nouit, uentorum libram, aquarum mensuram, ipse uidit sapientiam et enarrauit eam per prophetas suos, quia pater enarrauit sapientiam et inuestigauit eam, sicut et filius patrem enarrauit, quem nihil praeterit, et dixit: o homo, quid uis profunda scire sapientiae, quae supra uos sunt? timere deum sapientia est, abstinere autem a malis disciplina est.
No one could know wisdom, because “no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal him.” He revealed it, then, to John, with whom wisdom was, and therefore John said not what was his own but what wisdom poured into him: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.” Destruction does not know wisdom, malice does not know it. For destruction could not hold it, which said: “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” Malice does not know it, because it said: “The wicked will seek me and will not find me.” They can say: “We have heard of its glory.” God alone is the one who knows it. “Because God,” he says, “established its way well, he knows its place.” What the dwelling of wisdom is, hear from its disciple, saying: “The only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.” For the Son knew the Father, because he himself says: “As the Father knows me, I also know the Father.” Equal is the measure of knowledge where there is unity of power. So the Father, who knows all things, the balance of the winds, the measure of the waters, himself saw wisdom and declared it through his prophets, because the Father declared wisdom and searched it out, just as the Son too declared the Father, whom nothing escapes, and said: O man, why do you wish to know the depths of wisdom, which are above you? “To fear God is wisdom, and to abstain from evil is discipline.”
Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:55 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 1:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 28:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 28:23 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 28:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 28:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 28:28 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Only God knows wisdom; the Son, who alone knows the Father, revealed it, and for man wisdom is to fear God and shun evil.
- Matt 11:27; John 1:1; 1 Cor 15:55; Prov 1:28; Job 28:22–28 in the form of the Greek; John 1:18; John 10:15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): dixit:s o homo → dixit: o homo.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 1.31 (CSEL 32.2:231–233; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/1-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 2
2.1CSEL 32.2:233
Superior nobis disputatio fuit de interpellatione sanctorum, quod fragilis et inbecilla condicio humana, quae nusquam sui habeat firmitatem nisi in protectione caelesti: hodie nobis ea sumenda est, quod uulgus hominum, plerique etiam prudentium ualde mouentur, cum uident iniustos affluere rebus secundis, iustos autem frequenter adflictari in hoc saeculo. et uere lubricus hic locus, in quo etiam sancti uix potuerunt uerae opinionis tenere uestigium. denique turbatus est et ipse Dauid, qui in superioribus dixerat: occulta sapientiae tuae manifestasti mihi. uerum tamen confirmauit se ipse postea et perfectae rationis uiam inuestigauit. Iob quoque sanctus cum tribus illis ueteribus amicis, qui ad consolandum uenerant, de ea opinione in sermone luctatus est. utriusque igitur disputationes in medium proferamus. digni sunt enim, qui nobis magisterium uiuendi adferant, quandoquidem in aduersis positi plus deo placere meruerunt. audiamus igitur utrumque suo ordine.
Our earlier discussion was on the remonstrance of the saints: that the human condition is frail and feeble and has firmness nowhere except in heavenly protection. Today we must take up this: that the common run of men, and many even of the prudent, are greatly disturbed when they see the unjust abounding in prosperity and the just often afflicted in this world. And truly this is slippery ground, on which even the saints could hardly keep the footing of a true opinion. Indeed David himself was troubled, who had said above: “The hidden things of your wisdom you have made manifest to me.” Yet he afterwards steadied himself and searched out the way of perfect reasoning. Holy Job too wrestled in discourse over this opinion with those three old friends who had come to console him. Let us bring forward the discussions of both, then. For they are worthy to give us a lesson in living, since, placed in adversity, they merited to please God the more. Let us hear both, then, in their order.
Ps 51:6 (50:8 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:2 (72:2 Vulg.) (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Book 2 takes up why the wicked prosper and the just suffer, a question with which Job and David both wrestled.
- Ps 51:6 (Vulgate 50:8); Ps 73 (Vulgate 72), treated in Book 3.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR l for I; OCR slip and stray hyphen): innestig-auit → inuestigauit; lob quoque sanctus → Iob quoque sanctus.
Topics: Providence
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.1 (CSEL 32.2:233; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.2CSEL 32.2:233–234
increpuerant uehementer sanctum Iob Eliphas Themanorum rex et Baldad Saucheorum tyrannus et Sophar Minaeorum rex, eo quod propter peccata sua tantum supplicii sustineret. infirmo etenim ingenio non aduertebant quod dominus eum temptandum dedisset, ut athleta Christi temptationibus eruditus maiore ad coronam gloria perueniret. non uidentes itaque tantum sapientiae sacramentum angusti cordis timore, ne uiderentur iniustitiae deum arguere, qui poenis adfici innoxium perpeteretur, in sanctum Iob poenarum menta retorquebant dicentes quia omnis uita impii in sollicitudine et diuitiae iniuste congregatae euomentur; omnia quae patiatur homo grauia in terra propter peccata sua eum perpeti, qui etiamsi in rebus prosperis sit, perpetuari ei secunda non posse et tamquam somnium cito euanescere, ut non inueniatur locus eius; laetitiam autem. impiorum esse grauiorem ruinam, ideoque etiam sanctum Iob a prosperis in aduersa mutatum et delictorum suorum pretio ex summis in ultima corruisse: labi eum qui se adsereret innocentem, cum portio impii huiusmodi sit, ut superueniens in eum a domino indignatio ningat ei dolores et interitus domum eius inuoluat.
Eliphaz king of the Temanites, Bildad tyrant of the Sauchaeans, and Zophar king of the Minaeans had rebuked holy Job vehemently, on the ground that he was suffering so great a punishment because of his sins. For with feeble understanding they did not notice that the Lord had given him over to be tempted, so that Christ’s athlete, trained by temptations, might come to the crown with greater glory. Not seeing so great a mystery of wisdom, then, and fearing with narrow heart lest they seem to accuse God of injustice for allowing an innocent man to be afflicted with punishments, they turned the grounds of punishment back upon holy Job. They said that the whole life of the wicked is in anxiety, and riches unjustly gathered will be vomited up; that whatever grievous things a man suffers on earth he suffers for his sins; that even if he is in prosperity, his good fortune cannot be made to last but vanishes quickly like a dream, so that his place is not found; that the joy of the wicked is a heavier ruin, and that therefore holy Job too had been changed from prosperity to adversity and had fallen, at the price of his offences, from the highest to the lowest; that he who asserted his innocence was slipping, since such is the portion of the wicked that the indignation coming upon him from the Lord snows sorrows upon him and destruction engulfs his house.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Job 2:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 1:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · Job 15:20 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 20:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 20:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 20:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 20:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 20:28 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Job’s three friends insisted that his suffering proved his sin, not seeing that God was training Christ’s athlete.
- The friends’ titles are from the Greek of Job 2:11. Their arguments: Job 15:20; 20:15; 20:8; 20:5; 20:23, 28. “The grounds of punishment” renders the corrupt poenarum menta by sense.
Topics: Suffering and affliction
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.2 (CSEL 32.2:233–234; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.3CSEL 32.2:234–235
Audiebat haec sanctus Iob et quasi athleta fortis, in stercore sedens, in tantis uibicibus et saeui doloribus uulneris, totum corpus diris perfusus ulceribus mysteria loquebatur nec anquirendis propriae remediis aegritudinis, sed sacris uacabat sermonibus. fortiores itaque sermones aegri hominis quam illorum qui non aegrotabant. illi enim loquebantur iniustitias, sed non secundum scientiam: praedicabant diuina iudicia, poenas reorum, praemia sanctorum, sed reum a iusto discernere nesciebant. denique quem dominus deus iustum pronuntiauit, eum condemnabant iniustitiae, arcessebant iniquitatis. ignorabant ergo quid cuique conueniret. at uir sanctus Iob discernebat spiritu quomodo cuique eum oporteret loqui; fortior ergo quam illi qui sani et incolumes uiderentur. et quid dico fortiorem inuentum ceteris? fortior [erat aeger quam cum sanus esset] se ipso inuentus est; fortior enim erat aeger Iob quam sanus fuerat, secundum quod scriptum est quia uirtus in infirmitatibus consummatur. ergo et Iob cum infirmaretur, tunc ualidior erat. non enim aegrotabat animo, etsi doleret corpore, quia non erat in carne anima eius, cuius passionibus non adhaerebat, sed in spiritu, cuius uirtute se texerat.
Holy Job heard these things and, like a strong athlete, sitting on the dunghill amid so many weals and the cruel pains of his wound, his whole body covered with dreadful sores, he spoke mysteries; he gave himself not to seeking remedies for his own sickness but to sacred discourse. So the words of the sick man were stronger than those of the men who were not sick. For they spoke of justice, but not according to knowledge; they preached God’s judgments, the punishments of the guilty, the rewards of the saints, but they did not know how to distinguish the guilty from the just. Indeed, the one whom the Lord God pronounced just they condemned for injustice and charged with iniquity. So they did not know what suited each case. But the holy man Job discerned by the Spirit how he ought to speak to each; so he was stronger than those who seemed sound and unharmed. And why do I say he was found stronger than the others? He was found stronger than himself; for Job sick was stronger than he had been healthy, according to what is written: that power is made perfect in weakness. So Job too, when he was weak, was then stronger. For he was not sick in mind, even though he suffered in body, because his soul was not in the flesh, to whose passions it did not cling, but in the spirit, with whose power it had clothed itself.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Job 2:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 10:2 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 12:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:9 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Sitting on the dunghill, Job spoke more strongly than his healthy friends, for God’s power is made perfect in weakness.
- Job 2:8; 2 Cor 12:9–10; Rom 10:2; Rom 8:9. The editor deletes the words “he was stronger sick than when he was well” (in square brackets). “Spoke of justice” renders iniustitias, which seems to be an error for iustitias.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR l for I; OCR u for n): se ipso iuuentus est → se ipso inuentus est; at uir sanctus lob → at uir sanctus Iob; ergo et lob cum → ergo et Iob cum.
Topics: Suffering and affliction
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.3 (CSEL 32.2:234–235; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.4CSEL 32.2:235–236
ideo ergo non carnis gemitus et corporis infirmitates, sed uoces spiritus loquebatur, quibus urgeret, non quibus cederet. et primo quidem lenius, ut illis pudorem incuteret, quia urguebant iustum iniuste dicentes quod minora peccatis suis supplicia sustineret, et non erubescebant ipsi peccatores accusare falsis innocentem. esto inquit ego errauerim et aput me deuius ille inhabitet, qui mentibus hominum offundit errores, ut loquar sermones quos non oportet, sicut uos dicitis, et errent uerba mea nec oportune meus sermo promatur: cur uos in me insilitis et conuiciamini non considerantes quia a domino mihi uenit ista temptatio, qui me uallo quodam perturbationum arbitratus est saepiendum. exerceor aduersis, circumuallatus undique laboribus et periculis: et insultatis adhuc uolentes opprimere quem deberetis iuuare. ecce rideo in opprobriis et non loquar nec respondebo conuiciis uestris. non enim uos estis qui iudicatis, sed qui iudicat me dominus est, et ipsius tamen iudicii nondum tempus aduenit. quid opus est clamare ante iudicium? bonum est tacere dum expectatur qui iudicat, bonum est conuicium conuicio non referre, ne et nos inter detrahentes adnumeremur.
Therefore he spoke not the groans of the flesh and the weaknesses of the body but the voices of the spirit, with which to press, not to yield. And at first more gently, to make them ashamed, because they pressed the just man unjustly, saying that he was suffering less punishment than his sins deserved, and, sinners themselves, they did not blush to accuse the innocent falsely. “Suppose,” he says, “that I have erred, and that the misleader who pours errors into men’s minds dwells with me, so that I speak words I ought not, as you say, and my words go astray and my speech is not uttered fittingly: why do you leap upon me and revile me, not considering that this temptation has come to me from the Lord, who has thought fit to hedge me in with a kind of rampart of troubles? I am exercised by adversities, surrounded on every side by labors and dangers; and you insult me still, wishing to crush one whom you ought to help. Behold, I laugh at reproaches and will not speak or answer your revilings. For it is not you who judge; he who judges me is the Lord, and the time of his judgment has not yet come. What need is there to cry out before the judgment?” It is good to be silent while the judge is awaited; it is good not to return insult for insult, lest we too be numbered among the slanderers.
Job 19:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 19:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 19:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 19:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 4:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 4:5 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Pet 3:9 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Job gently rebukes his friends, refusing to answer their insults and leaving judgment to the Lord.
- Job 19:4–8 in the form of the Greek (“Behold, I laugh at reproach and will not speak”), paraphrased; 1 Cor 4:4–5; 1 Pet 3:9.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.4 (CSEL 32.2:235–236; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.5CSEL 32.2:236
Imitemur ergo hunc uirum, qui silentio suo redarguebat conuiciantes. ostendebat enim uirtutem animi sui, quem contumeliae non monerent, et conscientiae innocentiam manifestabat, qui obiecta non recognosceret, sed quasi a se aliena rideret. at uero nos quasi aliquid nobis obiciatur, dum purgare uolumus. acerbamus: dum ulcisci cupimus, confitemur. cum dicat scriptura ut auertas dedecoris sermonem et auferas uestimentum tuum; praeterit enim iniuriosus. taceamus ergo, ut praetereat, ne uestimentum nostrum prouocatus exurat; scriptum est enim: noli incendere carbones peccatoris, ne forte exuraris in igne flammae eius. propterea ergo sanctus tacet, etsi seruus proteruit; etsi pauper conuiciatur, tacet iustus; etsi peccator opprobria iacit, iustus ridet: etsi infirmus maledicit, iustus benedicit. tacebat Dauid, cum Gera filius Semei malediceret, Iob ridebat.
Let us imitate this man, then, who refuted his revilers by his silence. For he showed the strength of his mind, which insults did not move, and he made plain the innocence of his conscience, since he did not recognize the charges but laughed at them as foreign to himself. But we, as though something were being charged against us, make it worse while we try to clear ourselves; while we desire to avenge ourselves, we confess. For Scripture says that you should turn aside the word of disgrace and take away your garment; for the insolent man passes by. Let us be silent, then, so that he may pass by, lest, provoked, he burn our garment; for it is written: “Do not kindle the coals of a sinner, lest you be burned in the fire of his flame.” For this reason the saint is silent even though a slave is insolent; even though a poor man reviles, the just man is silent; even though a sinner hurls reproaches, the just man laughs; even though a weak man curses, the just man blesses. David was silent when Gera son of Shimei cursed him; Job laughed.
Prov 27:13 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Sam 16:5 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Sam 16:10 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Like Job and David, we should meet insults with silence rather than self-defence.
- Prov 27:11–13 in the form of the Greek; Sir 8:10; 2 Sam 16:5–13, where Shimei is the son of Gera (Ambrose reverses the names).
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 8:10 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.5 (CSEL 32.2:236; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.6CSEL 32.2:236–237
Paulus benedicebat, sicut ipse ait: maledicimur et benedicimus. magisterio quippe diuino processus humanae uirtutis excreuit, quia iam uenerat qui ex infirmibus faceret fortiores, et audierat dicentem: benedicite maledicentes uobis et orate pro calumniantibus uos. quod uerbo dixit et exemplo probauit. denique in cruce positus de persecutoribus suis conuiciantibus sibi dicebat: pater, dimitte illis, quia nesciunt quid faciant, ut oraret pro calumniantibus, quibus poterat ipse dimittere. Iob ergo ridebat, quia nondum uenerat Christus, cui soli seruabatur magnarum praerogatiua uirtutum. quia ipse est uirtutum principium, sicut dixit: dominus creauit me principium uiarum suarum.
Paul blessed, as he himself says: “We are cursed, and we bless.” For by divine teaching the advance of human virtue had grown, because he had now come who would make the weak stronger, and Paul had heard him say: “Bless those who curse you, and pray for those who slander you.” What he said in word he proved by example. Indeed, placed on the cross, he said of his persecutors who reviled him: “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do,” so that he prayed for those who slandered him, whom he himself could forgive. Job, then, laughed, because Christ had not yet come, to whom alone the prerogative of the great virtues was reserved; for he is the beginning of the virtues, as he said: “The Lord created me as the beginning of his ways.”
1 Cor 4:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 6:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 23:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 8:22 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Paul went beyond Job’s laughter to blessing, taught by Christ, who prayed for his persecutors.
- 1 Cor 4:12; Luke 6:28; Luke 23:34; Prov 8:22 in the form of the Greek, applied to Christ.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): sei-uabatur → seruabatur.
Topics: Ethics, Christology, Love of enemies and forgiveness of wrongs
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.6 (CSEL 32.2:236–237; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.7CSEL 32.2:237
Et ridens tacebat. qua ratione tacendum sit docet: clamabo. et nondum iudicium. ipse inquit uoluit me haec perpeti. tamquam muralibus temptationibus clausus non possum fugere, donec placeat deo destruere altitudines temptationum mearum. nunc enim si clamo, nondum iudicium. adhuc in agone sum, adhuc luctor, adhuc certamen superest mihi; nondum enim exiuit corona; nemo autem nisi qui legitime certauerit coronatur.
And laughing he was silent. He teaches why one must be silent: “I will cry out, and there is no judgment yet. He himself,” he says, “has willed that I suffer these things. Shut in as by walls of temptations, I cannot flee until it pleases God to pull down the heights of my temptations. For now if I cry out, there is no judgment yet.” I am still in the contest, I am still wrestling, a struggle still remains for me; for the crown has not yet come out; and no one is crowned unless he has competed lawfully.
Job 19:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 19:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Job keeps silence because he is still in the contest and the judgment has not yet come.
- Job 19:7–8 in the form of the Greek, paraphrased; 2 Tim 2:5.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray point in the digital text): uoluit.me → uoluit me.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.7 (CSEL 32.2:237; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.8CSEL 32.2:237–238
debebatur illi certamen tertium. amiserat omnia sua, id est patrimonium cum filiis, patiebatur uulnera caro eius: manebat ut temptationes uerborum uinceret. non mediocre certamen. sermone deceptus est Adam, uerbo uictus Sampso; nihil enim sic penetrat animam sicut sermo fucatus, nihil iterum sic mordet ut durior sermo. multi cum uicerint adhibita tormenta, sermonum duritiam non sustinuerunt. laborabat Iob, sed sustinebat et uerborum iuxta uulnerum onera portabat. uidit eum agonotheta suus, de nube et turbine manum laboranti dedit et obluctantes graui lapsu cecidisse pronuntiauit, uictorem adseruit, coronam detulit.
A third contest was owed him. He had lost all his possessions, that is, his property with his children; his flesh suffered wounds; it remained for him to overcome the temptations of words. No small contest! Adam was deceived by speech, Samson conquered by a word; for nothing so pierces the soul as painted speech, and again nothing bites so much as harsher speech. Many who have overcome the torments applied to them have not endured harsh words. Job toiled, but he endured, and carried the burdens of words along with those of wounds. His referee saw him; from the cloud and the whirlwind he gave a hand to the struggler, pronounced that his opponents had fallen heavily, declared him the victor, and conferred the crown.
Gen 3:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Judg 16:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 38:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 42:7 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: After losing goods and health, Job overcame the third trial of hurtful words, and God crowned him victor.
- Gen 3:1–6; Judg 16:15–17; Job 38:1; 42:7–10.
Topics: Temptation
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.8 (CSEL 32.2:237–238; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.9CSEL 32.2:238
Quid autem pulcrius quam ridere, cum maledicitur nobis gaudere enim debemus, si aliena dicantur. primum quia uolens inimicus aliquid aduersum nos dicere, quo crimen adfigeret, non inuenit quod uerum est, sed falsa pro ueris conposuit. deinde quia dixit ipse dominus in euangelio de huiusmodi criminatione,, quae innocentibus falso inrogaretur propter iustitiam: gaudete et exultate, quoniam merces uestra multa est in caelo. tacere ergo debet qui recognoscit obiectum, ne uulnus exasperet et scindatur cicatrix, tacere et qui non recognoscit; audit enim alterius, non suum crimen. quod si referat, suum facit: si taceat. retorquet et conuiciantem uulnerat. tacere debet etiam ille qui de memorata mercede praesumit; non enim patitur praeiudicium, cui non est iudicium. et si fuerit praeiudicium in saeculo, non erit in iudicio dei. denique ut cognoscas quia non praeiudicat contumelia bonae conscientiae, audi sanctum Iob dicentem. locupletiorem utique testem quam si imperio orbis Romani potitus esset: nunc ommutescam et derelinquam: si nunc mihi praeiudicium est, tunc a facie tua non abscondar.
What is finer than to laugh when we are cursed? For we ought to rejoice if things foreign to us are said. First, because the enemy, wishing to say something against us by which to fasten a charge, did not find what is true but composed falsehoods instead of truths. Then, because the Lord himself said in the Gospel of such accusation falsely brought against the innocent for righteousness’ sake: “Rejoice and exult, for your reward is great in heaven.” So one who recognizes the charge ought to be silent, lest he aggravate the wound and the scar be torn open; and one who does not recognize it ought to be silent too, for he hears another’s crime, not his own. If he answers, he makes it his own; if he is silent, he turns it back and wounds the reviler. One who relies on the reward mentioned ought also to be silent; for he suffers no prejudgment who is not under judgment. And even if there is prejudgment in the world, there will not be in the judgment of God. Indeed, so that you may know that insult does not prejudge a good conscience, hear holy Job, a weightier witness than if he had held the rule of the Roman world: “Now I will be silent and give up; if now there is prejudgment against me, then I shall not hide from your face.”
Matt 5:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 13:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 13:20 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: We should laugh at false accusations and keep silence, for God’s judgment, not men’s, decides.
- Matt 5:11–12; Job 13:19–20 in the form of the Greek.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.9 (CSEL 32.2:238; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.10CSEL 32.2:238–239
haec ergo parcius in exordio respondit, ut admoneret illos iudicii dei atque ab insolentia et furore reuocatos quasi bonus medicus faceret resipiscere. sed posteaquam eos aduertit perseuerare in contumeliis, plura fortiora repetiuit et tamquam pugno eos ualidiore percussit, qui uerborum suorum saxis lapidabant innoxium. audite, inquit audite uerba mea, non sit mihi a uobis consolationem quaerere: portate me, quia fortiora loquar, graue erit pondus uerborum meorum. dicam et ego secundum uestram opinionem, eo quod multi abundant in hoc saeculo rerum secundarum successibus et alii grauantur, in aerumna positi sunt: et uidetur hoc secundum peccatorum merito deferri. quod etsi dicam, nolite ridere, quasi uobis adquieuero. etsi peccator sum, non sum homini reus, quia sub peccato est et ipse qui iudicat et sibi in me potestatem uindicat. aut si iudicor quasi homo, commune istud est. increpari non debeo: infirmitas condicionis est, non specialis inprobitas.
These things, then, he answered more sparingly at the outset, to remind them of God’s judgment and, like a good physician, to bring them to their senses, called back from insolence and fury. But after he noticed that they persisted in insults, he answered with more and stronger things, and struck with a heavier fist those who were stoning an innocent man with the rocks of their words. “Hear,” he says, “hear my words; let it not be for me to seek consolation from you. Bear with me, for I will speak stronger things; the weight of my words will be heavy.” I too will speak according to your opinion: that many in this world abound in the successes of prosperity and others are weighed down and placed in hardship, and this seems to be dealt out according to the deserts of sins. Even if I say so, do not laugh as though I had come round to you. Even if I am a sinner, I am not answerable to a man, because he who judges and claims power over me is himself under sin. Or if I am judged as a man, that is common to all. I ought not to be rebuked: it is the weakness of our condition, not a special wickedness.
Job 21:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:4 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: When his friends persisted, Job answered more strongly: if he sinned, it was the common weakness, not special wickedness, and men have no right to judge him.
- Job 21:2–4 in the form of the Greek, paraphrased.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.10 (CSEL 32.2:238–239; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.11CSEL 32.2:239
Sed dicite mihi: si propter peccatum meum hoc patior, sicut obicitis, quare impii uiuunt, nec solum uiuunt, sed etiam repleti sunt diuitiis et fructus multiplicant, sed etiam filiis potiuntur, abundant domus eorum? haec euidenter specie bona, sed altiore mysterio inuenies, quoniam quae putantur bona non sunt bona et quae putantur mala potiora illis aestimantur.
“But tell me: if I suffer this because of my sin, as you object, why do the wicked live, and not only live but are filled with riches and multiply their fruits, and also enjoy their children, and their houses abound?” These things are evidently good in appearance, but by a deeper mystery you will find that what are thought goods are not goods, and what are thought evils are judged better than they.
Job 21:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 21:9 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Job asks why the wicked prosper, but what seem goods are not truly good.
- Job 21:7–9.
Topics: Providence
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.11 (CSEL 32.2:239; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.12CSEL 32.2:239–240
inueterauerunt inquit in diuitiis. πεπαλαίωνται dixit, ut non tam diuturna diuitiarum possessio quam inueterata molestia copiarum significata uideatur, sicut uidit Ecclesiastes diuitias custodiri in malum possidenti eas, quae pereunt in summa distentione ac sollicitudine. pereunt enim quae hic relinquuntur et mortuo prodesse non possunt. habuit igitur defunctus ex illis sollicitudinem, requiem inuenire non potuit, qui reliquit quod erubesceret nec secum abstulit quod teneret, longe dispar ab eo de quo scriptum est: beatus homo, qui repleuit desiderium suum ex his; non confundetur, cum loquitur inimicis suis in porta. cui hereditas dominus est et merces ex Mariae uirginis partu, hic in exitu sapientiae laudibus praedicatur, quoniam non habuit quod erubesceret qui nihil eorum quae sunt saeculi concupiuit, sed aduersarium depositis ueteris hominis exuuiis telo continentiae uulnerauit, ut obstrepere ei in istius uitae fine non posset uulnere claudus et uirtutum admiratione confusus. habes ergo non esse laudabilem qui inueteratus in pecuniae cupiditate sit, non renouatus in perceptione gratiae.
“They have grown old,” he says, “in riches.” He said πεπαλαίωνται (“they have grown old”), so that what seems to be meant is not so much the lasting possession of riches as the aged vexation of plenty, as Ecclesiastes saw riches kept to the harm of their owner, which perish amid the greatest distraction and anxiety. For what is left behind here perishes and cannot benefit the dead. So the dead man had anxiety from them and could not find rest, he who left behind something to blush at and took nothing with him to hold; far unlike him of whom it is written: “Blessed is the man who has filled his desire from these; he will not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.” He whose inheritance is the Lord and whose reward is from the childbirth of the Virgin Mary is proclaimed at his departure with the praises of wisdom, since he had nothing to blush at who desired none of the things of the world, but, having laid aside the spoils of the old man, wounded the adversary with the weapon of self-restraint, so that the adversary, lamed by his wound and confounded by admiration of his virtues, could not cry out against him at the end of this life. You have it, then, that the man who has grown old in the desire of money is not praiseworthy, but the one renewed in the reception of grace.
Job 21:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Eccl 5:13 (5:12 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 127:5 (126:5 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 16:5 (15:5 Vulg.) (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 4:22 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: The wicked have “grown old” in riches, which bring anxiety and shame at death; the blessed man’s inheritance is the Lord.
- Job 21:7 in the Greek (Ambrose cites the Greek word); Eccl 5:13 (Vulgate 5:12); Ps 127:5 (Vulgate 126:5); Ps 16:5 (Vulgate 15:5); Eph 4:22–24.
Topics: Ethics, Wealth and poverty
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.12 (CSEL 32.2:239–240; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.13CSEL 32.2:240
Uideamus aliud: semen eorum inquit secundum animam, id est non inter iustos habentur. iusti enim in spiritu seminant et de spiritu metent uitam aeternam, illi uero qui secundum animam seminant spiritalia metere non possunt, quia animalis homo non percipit quae sunt spiritus dei; stultitia enim illi est et non potest scire quae sunt spiritus et ideo non repletur spiritalibus, sed iudicatur.
Let us look at another point: “Their seed,” he says, “is according to the soul,” that is, they are not counted among the just. For the just sow in the Spirit and from the Spirit will reap eternal life; but those who sow according to the soul cannot reap spiritual things, because the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God; for they are folly to him, and he cannot know the things of the Spirit, and therefore he is not filled with spiritual things but is judged.
Job 21:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 6:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:14 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The seed of the wicked is “according to the soul,” not the Spirit, so they cannot reap spiritual things.
- Job 21:8 in the form of the Greek; Gal 6:8; 1 Cor 2:14.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.13 (CSEL 32.2:240; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.14CSEL 32.2:240–241
filii eorum in oculis, id est quae faciunt ideo faciunt, ut uideantur ab hominibus. non quia boni consulant ut hoc eligant, quod futuro iudicio conprobetur. filios ergo scriptura pro operibus frequenter declarat, eo quod locupletior in bonis factis quam in filiis sit nostra posteritas. unde et Ezechias de graui aegritudine liberatus ex hodierno inquit filios faciam, qui nuntiabunt iustitiam tuam, domine salutis meae, et non cessabo benedicens te cum psalterio omnes dies uitae meae; bona enim posteritas deuotionis et fidei, quae captiuitati nesciuit succumbere, quam Ezechiae filii pertulerunt.
“Their children are in sight,” that is, what they do they do in order to be seen by men, not because, being good, they take thought to choose what will be approved at the coming judgment. Scripture often means works by children, since our posterity is richer in good deeds than in children. Hence Hezekiah too, freed from a grave illness, said: “From this day I will make children, who will proclaim your righteousness, O Lord of my salvation, and I will not cease blessing you with the psaltery all the days of my life”; for good is the posterity of devotion and faith, which did not know how to yield to captivity, which Hezekiah’s sons endured.
Job 21:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 6:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 23:5 (allusion, medium confidence) · Isa 38:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 38:20 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Kgs 20:18 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: The “children” of the wicked are deeds done for show; true posterity is good works, as Hezekiah said.
- Job 21:8 in the form of the Greek; Matt 6:1; 23:5; Isa 38:19–20 in the form of the Greek; 2 Kgs 20:18.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.14 (CSEL 32.2:240–241; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.15CSEL 32.2:241–242
et addidit dicens quia non est illis timor, non est flagellum a domino. iustus autem dicit: quoniam flagellatus sum tota die et optat flagellari, ut recipiatur a domino, et uult timere deum, quia timor domini initium sapientiae est. nec beatitudinem putat, si non abortit bucula sua, sicut putant stulti. per bouem enim quid significatur nisi ruralis culturae labor, qui semper in orbem redit et numquam desinit, sed cum expleri uidetur, reuocatur in exordium? isti sunt qui colunt Sodomam et Gomorram. ergo qui colunt Aegyptum glaebasque terrarum aratro quodam solidae mentis inuertunt laborem sibi pariunt et dolores metunt. ideo bucula eorum non abortit, sed parit, ut augeatur labor eorum, et quae conceperunt omnia generant sine timore dei, iusti autem longe aliter gloriantur; non enim in abundantia diuitiarum nec in partu pecorum, sed in domino gloriantur dicentes: de timore tuo in utero accepimus et parturiuimus spiritum salutis. de iustis ergo dicitur quia salutis spiritum generauerunt, quem acceperunt de timore dei, non de malitia istius saeculi, de qua legimus: ecce parturiuit iniustitiam et concepit laborem et peperit iniquitatem. melior ergo abortus quam partus est saecularium. denique de homine, qui in hoc saeculum uenit et uanitatem mundi huius et tenebras pertulit longaeuitate diuturna, Ecclesiastes pronuntiauit quia melior illo abortus. huic enim requies magis quam illi, quia non expertus est uarietatem saeculi, in qua etsi mille annos qui uixerit. quod bonum est uidere non potuit. fugisse ergo haec magis est gratiae quam subisse est.
And he added, saying that “there is no fear for them, there is no scourge from the Lord.” But the just man says: “For I have been scourged all day long,” and he wishes to be scourged so that he may be received by the Lord, and he wishes to fear God, because the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Nor does he think it blessedness if his heifer does not miscarry, as fools think. For what is signified by the ox but the labor of rural cultivation, which always comes round in a circle and never ceases, but when it seems completed is called back to its beginning? These are they who cultivate Sodom and Gomorrah. So those who cultivate Egypt and turn over the clods of earth with a kind of plough of a solid mind bring forth labor for themselves and reap sorrows. Therefore their heifer does not miscarry but gives birth, so that their labor may be increased, and all they have conceived they bring forth without the fear of God. But the just glory far otherwise; for they glory not in abundance of riches nor in the birth of cattle but in the Lord, saying: “From your fear we have conceived in the womb and brought forth the spirit of salvation.” Of the just, then, it is said that they have brought forth the spirit of salvation, which they received from the fear of God, not from the malice of this world, of which we read: “Behold, he has travailed with injustice, conceived labor, and brought forth iniquity.” Better, then, is the miscarriage than the birth of worldly men. Indeed of the man who came into this world and endured the vanity and darkness of this world through a long life, Ecclesiastes declared that a miscarriage is better than he. For it has more rest than he, because it has not experienced the vicissitudes of the world, in which, even if one lives a thousand years, he cannot see what is good. To have escaped these things, then, is more a matter of grace than to have undergone them.
Job 21:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:14 (72:14 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 1:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 26:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 7:14 (7:15 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Eccl 6:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Eccl 6:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Eccl 6:6 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The wicked have no scourge and fruitful cattle, but the just seek God’s discipline and bring forth the spirit of salvation; a stillbirth is better than a worldly life.
- Job 21:9–10; Ps 73:14 (Vulgate 72:14); Prov 1:7; Isa 26:18 in the form of the Greek; Ps 7:14 (Vulgate 7:15); Eccl 6:3–6. Sodom, Gomorrah, and Egypt as figures of the earthly mind follow Philo.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (repeated syllables and stray marks in the digital text): saecularium-. larium → saecularium.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.15 (CSEL 32.2:241–242; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.16CSEL 32.2:242–243
Sed fortasse illud moueat quod adiunxit quia manent sicut oues aeternae, pueri autem eorum ludunt accipientes psalterium et citharam et delectantur uoce psalmi. consummarunt autem in bonis uitam suam, in requie autem inferni dormierunt. distingue haec et quia spiritalis es diiudica. impii sicut aeterni sunt, non aeterni, quia non possunt aeternitatem accipere ab eo qui non sit aeternus. non ergo potest dare quod non habet nec potest inluminare qui non possidet lucem, sed transfigurat se in angelum lucis, ut decipiat incredulos. transfigurat autem se simulatione falsae lucis, non splendore perpetuae claritatis. unde et saluator ait: uidebam Satanan sicut fulgur cadentem de caelo. nec fulgur est, sed sicut fulgur. considera haereticum aliquem intentum abstinentiae corporis et cognitioni caelestium sacramentorum: sicut aeternus putatur, non habet aeternae uitae stipendium, quia falsam habet imitationem qui fidei non habet ueritatem. huius paruuli ludunt sicut illa quae cum luxuriata fuerit, nubere uult. luxuriata est in psalterio et cithara. id est in sono uocis, non in sacramentorum profundo, ut labiis resultaret, non in corda conferret.
But perhaps what he added may trouble you: that “they remain like everlasting sheep, and their children play, taking up psaltery and harp, and delight in the sound of the psalm. They have ended their life in good things, and slept in the rest of the underworld.” Distinguish these things, and since you are spiritual, judge. The wicked are like the everlasting, not everlasting, because they cannot receive eternity from one who is not eternal. He cannot give what he does not have, nor can he enlighten who does not possess light; but he transforms himself into an angel of light so as to deceive unbelievers. He transforms himself by the pretense of false light, not by the splendor of everlasting brightness. Hence the Savior too says: “I saw Satan falling like lightning from heaven.” He is not lightning, but like lightning. Consider some heretic intent on bodily abstinence and the knowledge of heavenly mysteries: he is thought to be like one everlasting, but he does not have the wages of eternal life, because one who does not have the truth of faith has a false imitation. His little ones play, like her who, when she has grown wanton, wishes to marry. She has grown wanton in psaltery and harp, that is, in the sound of the voice, not in the depth of the mysteries, so that it resounded on the lips but did not reach the heart.
Job 21:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:15 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 10:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 5:11 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The wicked only seem everlasting; like Satan disguised as an angel of light, or an ascetic heretic, they imitate truth without having it.
- Job 21:11–13 in the form of the Greek; 1 Cor 2:15; 2 Cor 11:14; Luke 10:18; 1 Tim 5:11. The heretic is not named; translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): i Sed fortasse → Sed fortasse.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.16 (CSEL 32.2:242–243; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (Schenkl, CSEL 32.2); checked afterwards against FOTC 65 (private error-checking only).
2.17CSEL 32.2:243–244
Huiusmodi itaque in bonis saeculi consummauerunt uitam suam, hanc utique quam uiuebant, non illam cuius mercedem sperabant, et ideo in requie inferni dormierunt, non in requie caelesti. nos autem oremus hic potius laborem subire, ut in regno caelorum consolationem quietis aeternae mereamur adipisci. magna enim inlecebra delinquendi est rerum affluentia secundarum: in superbiam extollit, obliuionem auctoris infundit. considera illum diuitem in euangelio supra ostrum et purpuram recumbentem, cuius de mensa micas iustus ille pauper Lazarus colligebat: nonne uidetur tibi diues ille ad deum dicere: discede a me; uias tuas scire nolo. et uere nolunt scire huiusmodi uias domini; si enim uellent, cognoscerent, sed quia plenae sunt laboris, fugiuntur et declinantur a perditis. quasi ebrius itaque non recognoscit salutis auctorem. deinde conuersus ad conpotores suos manducemus inquit et bibamus. quid prodest, si seruiamus ei? aut quae utilitas, si obseruemus eum? haec itaque dicit saecularium rerum abundantia temulentus, quia non continuo in saeculo scelerum merita rependuntur; supinabatur enim, quia in manibus ei ad uoluptatem omnia suppetebant, et conscius impietatis suae, cuius poena sequestrabatur, putabat quod deus impiorum scelera non uideret.
Such men, then, have ended their life in the goods of the world, this life, that is, which they were living, not the one whose reward they hoped for; and therefore they slept in the rest of the underworld, not in heavenly rest. But let us pray rather to undergo labor here, so that in the kingdom of heaven we may be found worthy to obtain the consolation of eternal rest. For abundance of prosperity is a great enticement to sin: it lifts one up into pride and pours in forgetfulness of the Creator. Consider that rich man in the Gospel reclining on scarlet and purple, from whose table the just poor man Lazarus gathered crumbs: does not that rich man seem to you to say to God: “Depart from me; I do not wish to know your ways”? And truly such men do not wish to know the ways of the Lord; for if they wished, they would know them; but because they are full of labor, they are shunned and avoided by the lost. So like a drunkard he does not recognize the author of salvation. Then, turning to his drinking companions, he says: “Let us eat and drink. What does it profit if we serve him? Or what use is it if we keep his commands?” So speaks one drunk with the abundance of worldly things, because the deserts of crimes are not repaid at once in this world; for he was lolling at ease because everything was at hand for his pleasure, and, conscious of his impiety, whose punishment was put off, he thought that God did not see the crimes of the wicked.
Job 21:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 16:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 16:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 21:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 22:13 (quotation, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 15:32 (allusion, medium confidence) · Job 21:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Mal 3:14 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 10:11 (9:32 Vulg.) (allusion, low confidence)
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Summary: Prosperity breeds pride and forgetfulness of God, as with the rich man in the Gospel, who thinks God does not see.
- Job 21:13–15; Luke 16:19–21; Isa 22:13 (1 Cor 15:32); Mal 3:14; Ps 10:11.
Topics: Ethics, Humility and pride
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.17 (CSEL 32.2:243–244; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.18CSEL 32.2:244
huic ergo opinioni eius respondit sanctus Iob: noli esse securus ac dissolutus aestimare quod ad te in hoc ipso saeculo domini flagella non ueniant. etiam impiorum lucerna extinguitur. ad tempus lucet, non habet lumen aeternum. et ipsis quamuis saeculum faueat, quia eius qui principatum habet in saeculo faciunt uoluntatem, solet uenire rerum conuersio et dolores ab ira et indignatione caelesti, ut uentilentur sicut paleae a uento. iniusti sicut paleae uentilantur, iusti sicut triticum. denique audi dicentem Petro dominum: ecce Satanas expetiuit ut uos uentilet sicut triticum; ego autem rogaui pro te, ut non deficiat fides tua. deficiunt illi qui sicut paleae uentilantur, non deficit qui ad similitudinem illius grani est, quod cecidit et resurrexit plurimorum fructuum accessione cumulatum. ideo dicit propheta: heu me, quia factus sum sicut qui colligit stipulam in messe! stipulae igitur, quae cito exuritur, inpietas comparatur, et pulueri. ideo postquam dixit: erunt sicut paleae a uento, subtexuit uersiculum statim dicens: aut sicut puluis, quem abstulit uentus. denique ut cognoscas quia impius sicut puluis cito fatiscit atque euanescit, habes in primo psalmo dictum: non sic impii, non sic. id est: non sicut iusti, sed tamquam puluis, quem proicit uentus a facie terrae.
To this opinion of his, then, holy Job replied: Do not be secure and careless, thinking that the Lord’s scourges do not come to you in this very world. “The lamp of the wicked too is put out.” It shines for a time; it does not have eternal light. And though the world favors them, because they do the will of him who holds rule in the world, a reversal of fortune usually comes, and sorrows from heavenly wrath and indignation, so that they are winnowed like chaff by the wind. The unjust are winnowed like chaff, the just like wheat. Indeed, hear the Lord saying to Peter: “Behold, Satan has demanded to winnow you like wheat; but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail.” Those fail who are winnowed like chaff; he does not fail who is like that grain which fell and rose again, heaped with the increase of many fruits. Therefore the prophet says: “Woe is me, for I have become like one who gathers stubble in the harvest!” So impiety is compared to stubble, which is quickly burned up, and to dust. Therefore, after he said: “They will be like chaff before the wind,” he added a little verse at once, saying: “or like dust which the wind has carried away.” Indeed, so that you may know that the wicked man quickly crumbles and vanishes like dust, you have it said in the first psalm: “Not so the wicked, not so”; that is, not like the just, but “like the dust which the wind drives from the face of the earth.”
Job 21:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 22:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 22:32 (quotation, high confidence) · John 12:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Mic 7:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 1:4 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The lamp of the wicked goes out; they are winnowed like chaff and blown away like dust, while the just are wheat.
- Job 21:17–18; Luke 22:31–32; John 12:24; Mic 7:1; Ps 1:4 in the form of the Greek.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR l for I; split words in the digital text): respondit sanctus lob → respondit sanctus Iob; expeti uit ut uos uenti let → expetiuit ut uos uentilet.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.18 (CSEL 32.2:244; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.19CSEL 32.2:244–245
Et facit discretionem inter iustum et impium. hic inquit moritur in simplicitatis suae potentia, totus in abundantia et gratia, interiora autem eius plena sunt adipis, medulla eorum superfluit. ille autem conficit in amaritudine animae cursum uitae istius nihilque boni epulatus finem accipit. cui pro meritis suis quid potest dignum repraesentari? in sepulchra inducitur et in tumulo uigilat suo. ne haec quidem poena mediocris, mortis requiem non habere, deferri eum non ad terram uiuentium, sed ad tumulos mortuorum. qui uiuit enim non inter mortuos quaeritur, sed in Abrahae sinu uitam carpit aeternam. ideoque uiri illi duo in ueste fulgenti dicebant ad mulieres: quid quaeritis uiuentem cum mortuis?
And he makes a distinction between the just and the wicked. “The one,” he says, “dies in the power of his simplicity, wholly in abundance and favor; his inward parts are full of fat, their marrow overflows. But the other finishes the course of this life in bitterness of soul and comes to his end having feasted on nothing good.” What worthy recompense can be given him for his deserts? He is brought into the tombs and keeps watch in his own grave. Not even this is a small punishment: not to have the rest of death, to be carried not to the land of the living but to the tombs of the dead. For he who lives is not sought among the dead but enjoys eternal life in Abraham’s bosom. And therefore those two men in shining garments said to the women: “Why do you seek the living among the dead?”
Job 21:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 21:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 16:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 24:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The wicked man is laid in the tomb without rest, while the one who truly lives is not sought among the dead.
- Job 21:23–25, 32; Luke 16:22; Luke 24:4–5.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.19 (CSEL 32.2:244–245; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.20CSEL 32.2:245
deinde enumerat scelera impiorum, quod confinia transcenderint, et cum pastore diripuerint gregem, subiunctorium pupilli abduxerint, pignorauerint uiduae bouem, agrum demessuerint non suum, infirmi autem in uineis eorum sine mercede et cibo operati sint, detractis uestimentis nudos fecerint dormire plerosque, quorum animae operimentum ademerint. stillicidiis umescebant montium et, quia integimentum deerat, petra sese operiebant. rapiebantur pupilli ab uberibus matrum suarum, lapsi opprimebantur qui magis erigi debuissent. esurientes fraudabantur cibo, anima infantulorum grauiter ingemescebat.
Then he lists the crimes of the wicked: that they have crossed boundaries and seized the flock with the shepherd, led away the orphan’s beast of burden, taken the widow’s ox in pledge, reaped a field not their own; that the weak have worked in their vineyards without wages or food; that they have stripped off the clothing of many and made them sleep naked, taking away the covering of their life. They were drenched by the rains of the mountains, and because they lacked shelter they covered themselves with the rock. Orphans were snatched from their mothers’ breasts; those who had fallen and ought rather to have been lifted up were crushed. The hungry were cheated of food; the soul of little children groaned grievously.
Job 24:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 24:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 24:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 24:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 24:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 24:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 24:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 24:12 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Job lists the oppressions of the wicked against orphans, widows, and the poor.
- Job 24:2–12 in the form of the Greek.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): I deinde enumerat → deinde enumerat.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.20 (CSEL 32.2:245; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.21CSEL 32.2:245–246
numquid haec ignorare potuit quem nihil praeterit? nuda inferna in conspectu ipsius et non est amictus nequissimis, quia latere non possunt. extendit Borean pro nihilo, suspendit terram in nihilo, alligans aquam in nubibus suis, et non est rupta nubes sub pedibus eius. columnae caeli dissiluerunt et timuerunt ab increpatione eius. uirtute conpescuit mare, disciplina autem strauit cetum maris. claustra caeli reformidant eum: praecepto mortificauit draconem praeuaricatorem. uirtutem tonitrui eius quis intellegit? in tantis ergo flagitiis quae spes impio est? numquid si confidat in domino saluabitur? dicam inquit uobis quid sit in manu domini et desinite inania inanibus addere.
Could he be ignorant of these things whom nothing escapes? “Hell is naked in his sight,” and there is no covering for the most wicked, because they cannot lie hidden. “He stretches out the north over nothing, he hangs the earth upon nothing, binding up the water in his clouds, and the cloud is not torn beneath him. The pillars of heaven have leapt apart and trembled at his rebuke. By his power he has calmed the sea, and by his discipline he has laid low the whale of the sea. The bars of heaven dread him; by his command he has slain the transgressing dragon. The power of his thunder, who understands it?” In such great crimes, then, what hope has the wicked man? Will he be saved if he trusts in the Lord? “I will tell you,” he says, “what is in the hand of the Lord, and cease adding empty things to empty things.”
Job 26:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 26:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 26:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 26:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 26:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 26:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 26:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 27:8 (allusion, medium confidence) · Job 27:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 27:12 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: God, who sees all and rules creation with power, cannot be ignorant of the crimes of the wicked.
- Job 26:6–14 and 27:11–12 in the form of the Greek.
Topics: Providence
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.21 (CSEL 32.2:245–246; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.22CSEL 32.2:246–247
Et describit quam miserabilis impiorum portio sit, quod etsi plures habeant filios, sine posteritate sint, quibus deest bonorum meritorum successio; illa enim uera posteritas, quae non in terris, sed in caelo est. huiusmodi ergo uiris hereditas inopia est et mors successio. cum diuitias coaceruauerint, mendicabunt, quia cum mortui fuerint, indigebunt qui requiem inuenire non possunt. uiduas eorum nemo miserabitur. sed manebunt desertae atque omnis copulae solacio destitutae. etsi congregetur pecunia sicut terra atque ut lutum praeparatum fuerit aurum, inanis erit sicut aranea eorum substantia et omne nominis eorum patrimonium tamquam tineis consumetur. dormiens diues nihil adiciet, aperuit oculos suos et iam non est. in doloribus permanet. nihil ergo sunt omnia quae in hoc mundo sunt. aurum in metallis. argentum in metallis: de metallo eruitur et in metallum reuertitur. quid enim aliud nisi metallum est mens auari? quae tamquam defossum tenet quidquid acceperit et in uenis terrae ac latibulis abscondit, eo quod uti nesciat. de metallis cottidie aurum promitur: de auaro proferre quis potuit?
And he describes how pitiable is the portion of the wicked: that even if they have many children, they are without posterity, since they lack the succession of good merits; for that is true posterity which is not on earth but in heaven. For such men, then, the inheritance is want and death the succession. When they have heaped up riches they will beg, because when they are dead they will be in need, since they cannot find rest. No one will pity their widows, but they will remain deserted and bereft of all the comfort of a husband. Even if money is gathered like earth and gold prepared like clay, their substance will be empty like a spider’s web, and the whole patrimony of their name will be consumed as by moths. The rich man sleeping will add nothing; he has opened his eyes, and he is no more. He remains in pains. So all the things in this world are nothing. Gold is in the mines, silver is in the mines: it is dug out of the mine and returns to the mine. For what else is the mind of the miser but a mine? It holds whatever it has received as if buried, and hides it in the veins and hiding places of the earth, because it does not know how to use it. Gold is brought out of the mines every day: who has ever been able to bring anything out of a miser?
Job 27:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 27:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 27:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 27:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 27:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 27:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 28:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 28:2 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: The wicked have no true posterity; their hoarded wealth is empty as a cobweb, and the miser’s mind is a mine from which nothing comes out.
- Job 27:13–19 and 28:1–2 in the form of the Greek.
Topics: Ethics, Wealth and poverty
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.22 (CSEL 32.2:246–247; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.23CSEL 32.2:247–248
cum igitur nihil prosit uana fames auri. quia quidquid congregauerit labitur, miserandi profecto qui deseruerunt uiam iustam et obliti sunt eam, cui pretiosi lapides haudquaquam sunt comparandi. difficilis inuestigatu, inperuia superbis, interclusa iactantibus, humilioribus plana, aperta sapientibus. et ideo sapientiam debemus quaerere, ut ambulemus in uia iusta, per quam aduersarius ille sicut leo rapiens et rugiens, qui percurrit hunc mundum, transire non potuit. sed qui uult sapientiam inuestigare, non in abysso eam quaerat sicut philosophi, qui arbitrantur quod ipsi sua sponte suo ingenio profunda eius possint cognoscere, non in mari eam requirat — etenim ubi tempestas, ubi procella uenti est, non potest ibi esse sapientia — sed ibi quaerat, ubi est tranquillitas mentis et pax, quae super omnem intellectum est.
Since, then, the empty hunger for gold profits nothing, because whatever it has gathered slips away, pitiable indeed are those who have deserted the just way and forgotten it, the way to which precious stones are by no means to be compared: hard to search out, impassable to the proud, closed to the boastful, level for the humble, open to the wise. And therefore we ought to seek wisdom, so that we may walk on the just way, by which that adversary, like a lion ravening and roaring, who runs through this world, could not pass. But let one who wishes to search out wisdom not seek it in the abyss, as the philosophers do, who think that they themselves by their own talent can know its depths; let him not seek it in the sea (for where there is tempest, where there is a storm of wind, wisdom cannot be); but let him seek it where there is tranquillity of mind and peace, which is above all understanding.
Job 28:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 28:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 28:18 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Pet 5:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 28:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 4:7 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The way of wisdom, beyond all jewels, is open to the humble; it is found not in philosophy’s abyss or the world’s sea but in peace of mind.
- Job 28:7–8, 14, 18; 1 Pet 5:8; Phil 4:7. The criticism of the philosophers is Ambrose’s.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; split word in the digital text): qui per. currit → qui percurrit; procelia uenti → procella uenti.
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 2.23 (CSEL 32.2:247–248; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/2-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 3
3.1CSEL 32.2:248
Decursa est interpellatio sancti Iob: nunc adoriamur eam interpellationem, quam repperimus in psalmis. ipse quidem Dauid pluribus locis de saeculi uanitate non tacuit et inania esse quae putantur bona istius mundi frequenter adseruit et maxime in psalmo tricensimo octauo, in quo dicit: uerumtamen uniuersa uanitas, omnis homo uiuens. quamquam in imagine dei ambulet homo, tamen uane conturbatur; thensaurizat et ignorat cui congregat ea, et alibi: usquequo peccatores. domine, usquequo peccatores gloriabuntur? quod hic habeant umbratilem gloriam! ubi de saeculo excesserint, fructum consolationis inuenire non possint. idem tamen inseruit psalmum LXXII, in quo ipse sub Asaph nomine protestatur quod eius primo fuerit prolapsionis, ut non mediocri dolore perstrictus sit. cum uideret peccatores in hoc mundo affluere diuitiis, abundare rebus secundis, se autem, qui iustificauerit cor suum, esse in adflictionibus et aerumnis nec mediocrem traxisse offensam in exordio, sed postea per domini flagella correctum et inluminatum diuinae cognitionis gratia seriem uerae didicisse traditionis.
The remonstrance of holy Job has been gone through; now let us take up that remonstrance which we have found in the psalms. David himself, indeed, in many places did not keep silent about the vanity of the world, and often asserted that the things thought good in this world are empty, and especially in the thirty-eighth psalm, in which he says: “Yet all things are vanity, every man living. Although man walks in the image of God, yet he is disquieted in vain; he lays up treasure and does not know for whom he gathers it”; and elsewhere: “How long shall sinners, O Lord, how long shall sinners boast?” For they have a shadowy glory here; when they have left the world, they cannot find the fruit of consolation. Yet the same David inserted Psalm 72, in which, under the name of Asaph, he declares that at first he came near to falling, so that he was gripped by no small pain, when he saw sinners abounding in riches in this world and overflowing with prosperity, while he, who had justified his heart, was in afflictions and hardships; and that he incurred no small offence at the beginning, but afterwards, corrected by the Lord’s scourges and enlightened by the grace of divine knowledge, learned the course of the true teaching.
Ps 39:5 (38:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 39:6 (38:7 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 94:3 (93:3 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:1 (72:1 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 73:2 (72:2 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 73:13 (72:13 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Book 3 turns to David’s remonstrance in Psalm 73, where the psalmist nearly fell on seeing sinners prosper.
- Ambrose numbers the psalms as in the Greek and Latin: Ps 38 = Ps 39 (Vulgate 38:6–7); Ps 72 = Ps 73. Also Ps 94:3 (Vulgate 93:3).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR l for I): interpellatio sancti lob → interpellatio sancti Iob.
Topics: Providence
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 3.1 (CSEL 32.2:248; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/3-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (Schenkl, CSEL 32.2); checked afterwards against FOTC 65 (private error-checking only).
3.2CSEL 32.2:248–249
nusquam autem inuenio sanctum Asaph aliquibus aduersis fuisse uexatum, at uero sanctus Dauid plurima grauia et periculorum plena tolerauit; de suis enim laboribus dicit, unde et psalmus non quasi sancti Asaph, sed quasi sancto Asaph, ut docet titulus, superscribitur. quod ex graeco psalterio apertius manifestatur, ut uideatur Dauid etiam huic Asaph sicut et aliis canendum quem scripserat ipse psalmum dedisse. sed quia scriptum est in ipso titulo defecisse psalmos Dauid — quomodo autem defecerunt, cum decursis his decem psalmis postea psalmos Dauid titulorum inscriptio conprehendat usque in ultimum finem? - ideo sequestrata huiusmodi definitione quae sit psalmi series consideremus et a primo uersiculo interpellationis propheticae ducamus exordium.
Nowhere, however, do I find that holy Asaph was troubled by any adversities, whereas holy David endured very many grievous things full of dangers; for he speaks of his own labors, and so the psalm is inscribed, as the title teaches, not as “of holy Asaph” but as “to holy Asaph.” This is shown more plainly from the Greek psalter, so that David seems to have given this Asaph too, as well as others, the psalm he himself had written, to be sung. But because it is written in that very title that the psalms of David had ended (yet how did they end, when, after these ten psalms have been gone through, the inscription of the titles afterwards includes psalms of David up to the very end?), let us therefore set aside a definition of this kind and consider the course of the psalm, and make our beginning from the first verse of the prophet’s remonstrance.
Ps 73:1 (72:1 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 72:20 (71:20 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The psalm is David’s, given to Asaph to sing; the puzzle of the title is set aside to study the psalm itself.
- The Greek title has τῷ Ασαφ (“to Asaph”). The note that “the hymns of David are ended” is Ps 72:20 (Vulgate 71:20), read by Ambrose as part of the title of the next psalm.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Interp. 3.2 (CSEL 32.2:248–249; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/3-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/ambrose-interpellatione/3-2
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin (Schenkl, CSEL 32.2); checked afterwards against FOTC 65 (private error-checking only).