On First Principles 2.4.1–2.5.4

Latin text: Migne, PG 11 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Graeca vol. 11 (1857), transcribed from library-scan OCR; words lost in the scan supplied, and 71 sections (68 disordered in the scan, and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) given, from Koetschau, GCS 22 (1913), via the archive.org scan).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885), De Principiis.

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2.4.1PG 11:198b–199a

Quod unus est Deus legis et prophetarum, et Domini Jesu Christi Pater. His itaque per ordinem prout potuimus breviter digestis, consequens est secundum quod ex initio proposuimus, confutare etiam eos qui putant alium Deum esse Patrem Domini nostri Jesu Christi, praeter illum qui Moysi responsa legis dabat, vel prophetas mittebat, qui est Deus patrum Abraham, Isaac et Jacob. Oportet enim primum in hac nos fidei ratione firmari. Considerandum ergo est illud quod frequenter in Evangeliis dicitur, et singulis quibusque Domini et Salvatoris nostri gestis adjungitur : Ut impleatur quod dictum est per prophetam illum vel illum, cum manifestum sit quia prophetae illius sunt Dei qui mundum fecit. Ex ipsa ergo consequentia concluditur, quoniam qui prophetas misit, de Christo quae praedicenda erant, ipse praedixit. Et dubium non est quod haec non alienus quis ab eo, sed pater ipsius praedicebat. Sed et illud, quod frequenter exempla de veteri testamento a salvatore proferuntur vel ab apostolis eius, non aliud indicat nisi quod auctoritas veteribus a Salvatore et ab ejus discipulis adhibetur. Sed et illud quod ad benignitatem provocans discipulos Salvator dicit: Estote perfecti sicut et Pater vester caelestis perfectus est, qui solem suum oriri jubet super bonos et malos, et pluit super justos et injustos; cuivis etiam exiguae intelligentiae viro evidentissimum suggerit intellectum, quod non alium ad imitandum proponit discipulis suis Deum, nisi factorem coeli, et imbrium praebitorem. Quod autem dicit quia orantes Oporteat dicere: Pater noster qui es in coelis; quid aliud videtur ostendere nisi Deum in melioribus mundi, id est creaturae suae partibus requirendum? Sed et quod de juramentis optima quaedam instituta definiens ait non oportere jurare, neque per coelum, quia sedes est Dei; neque per terram, quia scabellum est pedum ejus; nonne apertissime videtur propheticis vocibus consonare quibus dicitur: Coelum mihi sedes, terra autem scabellum pedum meorum? Sed et e templo ejiciens eos qui vendebant oves, et boves, et columbas, etfaudens quoque mensas nummulariorum, et dicens : Tollite ista hinc, et nolite facere domum Patris mei domum negotiationis ; Patrem suum sine dubio dicebat eum cujus nomini Salomon magnificum templum exstruverat. Sed et illud quod ait : Non legistis quod dictum est a Deo ad Moysem : Ego sum Deus Abraham, et Deus Isaac, et Deus Jacob; non est autem Deus mortuorum, sed viventium; manifestissime nos docet quoniam Deum patriarcharum, pro eo quod sancti essent et viverent, Deum appellabat viventium, illum scilicet qui dixerat in prophetis: Ego sum Deus, et non est Deus praeter me. Sciens namque Salvator Deum Abraham esse eum qui in lege scriptus est, et ipsum esse qui dicit quia Ego sum Deus, et non est Deus praeter me; siquidem ipsum illum Patrem esse fatetur qui ignorat alium super se esse Deum, sicut putant haeretici; absurde eum Patrem pronuntiat qui eminentiorem ignorat Deum. Si vero non quidem ignorat, sed fallit dicens non alium esse Deum praeter se, multo magis absurdum est si mendacem Patrem suum fatetur. Ex quibus omnibus in hanc indaginem sensus adducitur, quia alium nesciat Patrem nisi omnium conditorem et creatorem Deum.

That the God of the law and the prophets is one, and is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. These things having been briefly set out in order as far as we could, it follows, according to what we proposed at the beginning, that we should also refute those who think that the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is another God besides him who gave Moses the answers of the law or sent the prophets, who is the God of the fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. For we must first be made firm in this article of faith. We must consider, then, what is frequently said in the Gospels and added to each of the deeds of our Lord and Saviour: “That what was spoken by this or that prophet might be fulfilled,” since it is plain that the prophets belong to the God who made the world. From this very sequence it is concluded that he who sent the prophets himself foretold what was to be foretold about Christ. And there is no doubt that it was not someone foreign to him, but his own Father, who foretold these things. And what else does the fact that examples from the Old Testament are frequently brought forward by the Saviour or by his apostles indicate but that authority is given to the ancient writings by the Saviour and his disciples? And also what the Saviour says to his disciples when calling them to kindness, “Be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect, who makes his sun rise on the good and the evil, and sends rain on the just and the unjust,” suggests a most evident understanding even to a person of slight intelligence: that he proposes to his disciples for imitation no other God than the maker of heaven and the giver of rain. And when he says that those who pray should say, “Our Father who art in heaven,” what else does it seem to show but that God is to be sought in the better parts of the world, that is, of his creation? And when, laying down excellent rules about oaths, he says that one should not swear by heaven, because it is the throne of God, nor by the earth, because it is the footstool of his feet, does he not seem most plainly to agree with the prophetic words, “Heaven is my throne, and the earth the footstool of my feet”? And also when he cast out of the temple those who sold sheep and oxen and doves, and overturned the tables of the money-changers, saying, “Take these things away from here, and do not make my Father's house a house of trade,” he undoubtedly called his Father him to whose name Solomon had built the magnificent temple. And what he says, “Have you not read what was said by God to Moses: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob; he is not the God of the dead but of the living?” teaches us most plainly that he called the God of the patriarchs, because they were holy and living, the God of the living, namely him who had said in the prophets, “I am God, and there is no God besides me.” For if the Saviour, knowing that the God of Abraham is he who is written in the law, and that he is the same who says, “I am God, and there is no God besides me,” acknowledges as his Father that very one who does not know of another God above him, as the heretics think, he absurdly declares to be his Father one who does not know a higher God. But if he does not indeed fail to know, but deceives in saying that there is no other God besides him, it is much more absurd if he acknowledges his Father to be a liar. From all this the mind is led to this conclusion, that he knows no other Father than God, the founder and creator of all things.

Matt 1:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:48 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:45 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 6:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:34 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:35 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 66:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:15 (allusion, high confidence) · John 2:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 3:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 45:5 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Against those who distinguish the Father of Christ from the God of the law, Origen shows from the Gospels that Jesus' Father is the Creator who spoke through Moses and the prophets.

  • The passage opens with the chapter's own heading. The opponents are the Marcionites and others who distinguished a just Creator from the good Father of Christ. Quotations and allusions: Matt 1:22; Matt 5:48, 45; Matt 6:9; Matt 5:34–35; Isa 66:1; John 2:15–16; Matt 22:31–32 (Exod 3:6); Isa 45:5.
  • Words lost in the Migne scan are supplied from Koetschau's edition.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip; line-break hyphen; OCR slip; note marker; OCR slip; stray mark; OCR slips; joined words; note marker; section number removed; stray mark; stray mark; OCR slip; stray mark; note marker): legisret prophetarum, et Do- mini → legis et prophetarum, et Domini; l. His itaque → His itaque; Jesn → Jesu; prazter illum → praeter illum; lsaac → Isaac; lidei → fidei; adjungitur : t Ut impleatur quod dictum est per prephetam → adjungitur : Ut impleatur quod dictum est per prophetam; de Christe quae praedicenda erant,- ipse → de Christo quae praedicenda erant, ipse; etab ejus → et ab ejus; illud quod - ad benignitatem → illud quod ad benignitatem; dicit: ( Estote → dicit: Estote; caalestis → caelestis; iujnstos '°; → injustos;; exigute intelligentia: → exiguae intelligentiae; faetorem coeli, et imbrium przebitorem → factorem coeli, et imbrium praebitorem; ccelis’“; → coelis;; creatura: suae → creaturae suae; neque per coalum → neque per coelum; pedmn ejus 7'; → pedum ejus;; Ccelum mihi sedes → Coelum mihi sedes; meorum 7‘?) → meorum?; sme duhto → sine dubio; ρ viventium 7'; → viventium;; praeter me . ) → praeter me.; quia ‹ Ego sum → quia Ego sum; ltmretici → haeretici; esse Demn → esse Deum; absurdmn → absurdum.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.4.1 (PG 11:198b–199a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-4-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Rufinus's Latin translation of Origen's lost Greek (Migne PG 11, from the library scan's OCR, slips corrected as logged), divided by Koetschau's sections (GCS 22, 1913); words lost in the scan are supplied from Koetschau, and sections that the scan gives disordered or mixed with Migne's parallel columns (and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) are translated from Koetschau's text, as noted; compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of F. Crombie in ANF 4 (1885).

2.4.2PG 11:200a–201a

Longum erit si ex omnibus Evangeliorum locis testimonia congregemus , quibus unus atque idem Deus legis et Evangeliorum esse doceatur. Contingemus tamen breviter etiam de Actibus apostolorum 7", ubi Stephanus et apostoli preces suas dirigunt ad eum Deum qui fecit caelum et terram, et qui locutus est per os sanctorum prophetarum suorum; ipsum dicentes Deum Abraham, Isaac et Jacob ; Deum qui eduxit populum suum de terra Egypti. Quae sententiae sensum nostrum evidentissime sine dubio ad Creatoris dirigunt fidem, et affectum ejus inserunt his qui haec pie de eo fideliterque didicerunt ; sicut et ipse Salvator cum interrogatus esset quod mandatum esset maximum omnium in lege, respondit, dicens: Diliges Dominum Deum tuum ex toto corde tuo, et ex tota anima tua, et ex tota mente tua. Secundum autem simile est huic: Diliges proximum tuum sicut teipsum. » Et his addidit, quia in istis duobus mandatis tota lex pendet et propheta: ". Quomodo ergo ei quem erudiebat atque in discipulatum producebat, hoc mandatum ante omnia mandata commendat, per quod sine dubio in Deum legis ejus conciliaretur affectus, eo quod ipsis his verbis haec fuerant a lege praedicata? Sed concedatur contra has omnes evidentissimas approbationes, quia de alio nescio quo Deo dicat Salvator: Diliges Dominum Deum tuum ex toto corde tuo, et reliqua quae dicta sunt. Et quomodo si lex et prophetae Creatoris sunt, sicut dicunt, id est alterius Dei praeter eum quem ait bonum , consequenter dictum videbitur id quod addidit , legem et prophetas in his duobus pendere mandatis ? Quomodo enim quod alienum et peregrinum a Deo est, pendebit in Deo? Paulus autem dicens: Gratias ago Deo meo cui servio in spiritu meo a proavis meis in conscientia pura ’ ; dilucide ostendit quia non ad aliquem novum Deum, sed ad Christum venerit. Quos enim alios proavos Pauli oportebit intelligi, nisi eos de quibus ipse dicit: Hebraei sunt, et ego; Israelitae sunt, et ego . Sed et praefatio ipsa Epistulae ejus ad Romanos nonne haec eadem his qui intelligere Pauli litteras norunt, diligenter ostendet, quem Deum Paulus praedicat? Ait enim : Paulus servus Jesu Christi vocatus apostolus, segregatus in Evangelium Dei quod an’te promiserat per prophetas suos in Scripturis sanctis de Filio suo, qui factus est ei ex semine David secundum carnem, qui praedestinatus est Filius Dei in virtute secundum spiritum sanctificationis ex resurrectione mortuorum Christi Jesu Domini nostri ", etc. Sed et illud quod ait: Non obturabis os bovi trituranti ; nunquid de bobus cura est Deo? An propter nos utique dicit? Propter nos enim scriptum est , quia in spe debet qui arat arare, et qui triturat sub spe fructus percipiendi". In quo evidenter ostendit quia qui legem dedit Deus, propter nos, id est propter apostolos dicit : Non obturabis os bovi trituranti ; cui cura erat non boum, sed apostolorum qui Christi Evangelium praedicabant. In aliis quoque promissionem legis amplectens Paulus ipse ita ait: Honora patrem tuum et matrem , quod est mandatum primum in promissione, ut bene sit tibi, et longaevus super terram sis, terram bonam quam Dominus Deus tuus dabit tibi . Per quae sine dubio placere sibi legem et Deum legis atque ejus promissa pronuntiat.

It would take long to gather testimonies from all the passages of the Gospels by which one and the same God of the law and the Gospels is taught. We shall touch briefly, however, on the Acts of the Apostles also, where Stephen and the apostles direct their prayers to the God who made heaven and earth and who spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets, calling him the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who led his people out of the land of Egypt. These statements undoubtedly direct our mind most evidently to faith in the Creator, and implant love for him in those who have learned these things about him piously and faithfully; as the Saviour himself, when he was asked which was the greatest commandment of all in the law, answered, saying: “You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” And he added that on these two commandments hang the whole law and the prophets. How, then, does he commend this commandment above all commandments to the one whom he was instructing and bringing into discipleship, a commandment by which love would undoubtedly be won for the God of his law, since these things had been proclaimed by the law in these very words? But let it be granted, against all these most evident proofs, that the Saviour says of some other God, I know not who, “You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart,” and the rest that was said. Then how, if the law and the prophets belong to the Creator, as they say, that is, to another God than the one he calls good, will what he added seem consistent, that the law and the prophets hang on these two commandments? For how will what is alien and foreign to God hang on God? And Paul, saying, “I thank my God, whom I serve in my spirit from my forefathers with a pure conscience,” shows clearly that he came not to some new God but to Christ. For what other forefathers of Paul must be understood but those of whom he himself says, “Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I”? And does not the very opening of his Epistle to the Romans carefully show the same to those who know how to understand Paul's letters, namely which God Paul preaches? For he says: “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called an apostle, set apart for the Gospel of God, which he had promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures concerning his Son, who was made to him of the seed of David according to the flesh, who was predestined Son of God in power according to the spirit of sanctification by the resurrection of the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,” and so on. And there is what he says: “You shall not muzzle the ox that treads out the grain. Is it for oxen that God cares? Or does he say it entirely for our sake? For it was written for our sake, because he who ploughs should plough in hope, and he who threshes in hope of receiving the fruit.” In this he shows evidently that the God who gave the law says for our sake, that is, for the apostles' sake, “You shall not muzzle the ox that treads out the grain,” since his care was not for oxen but for the apostles who preached the Gospel of Christ. Elsewhere too Paul himself, embracing the promise of the law, says: “Honour your father and mother, which is the first commandment with a promise, that it may be well with you and you may live long upon the earth, the good land which the Lord your God will give you.” By this he undoubtedly declares that the law, the God of the law, and his promises are pleasing to him.

Acts 4:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 3:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 7:32 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 7:36 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 22:37 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:40 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 9:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 9:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Deut 25:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 6:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 6:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 20:12 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Acts, the great commandment and Paul's letters show that the God of the law is the God of the Gospel, preached by Christ and the apostles.

  • Quotations and allusions: Acts 4:24; Acts 3:13; Acts 7:32, 36; Matt 22:37–40; 2 Tim 1:3; 2 Cor 11:22; Rom 1:1–4; 1 Cor 9:9–10 (Deut 25:4); Eph 6:2–3 (Exod 20:12).

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne footnote removed; OCR slip; OCR slips; note marker; stray mark): Etangeliorum → Evangeliorum; Evangelidrum 'esse → Evangeliorum esse; Demn qui fecit → Deum qui fecit; et _ affectum → et affectum; iuterrogatus → interrogatus; Domitium → Dominum; tcipsum → teipsum; discipulatuut → discipulatum; tuandata → mandata; allectus, eo quod ipsis his verbis lucc fuerant a lege prmdicata ἳ Sed → affectus, eo quod ipsis his verbis haec fuerant a lege praedicata? Sed; onmes → omnes; Dontinum Deum tmun → Dominum Deum tuum; propheta: Creatoris → prophetae Creatoris; prazter eum → praeter eum; aliquem'novum → aliquem novum; Israelita: sunt → Israelitae sunt; Epistula: ejus → Epistulae ejus; hsce → haec; suos ($.39) → suos; Nonohturahis → Non obturabis; nos cnim → nos enim; tritura! → triturat; lcgem → legem; eui cura erat non baum → cui cura erat non boum; Evangeliutn prtedicabant → Evangelium praedicabant; ai't → ait; tangamus super terram sis → longaevus super terram sis; Evangelium Joan. ιι, 16. Matth. ll Tim. ιι, 5. ο li Cor. 111,22. Dei → Evangelium Dei.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.4.2 (PG 11:200a–201a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-4-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Rufinus's Latin translation of Origen's lost Greek (Migne PG 11, from the library scan's OCR, slips corrected as logged), divided by Koetschau's sections (GCS 22, 1913); words lost in the scan are supplied from Koetschau, and sections that the scan gives disordered or mixed with Migne's parallel columns (and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) are translated from Koetschau's text, as noted; compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of F. Crombie in ANF 4 (1885).

2.4.3PG 11:201a–203a

Sed quoniam solent interdum hujus haeresis assertores per deceptiosa quaedam sophismata simpliciorum quorumque corda decipere . absurdum non puto si etiam ea quae in assertionibus suis proferre solent , proponentes subreptionem eorum ac mendacia confutemus. Aiunt igitur; Scriptum est : Deum nemo vidit unquam “ ; ille autem Deus quem Moyses praedicat , et ab ipso Moyse visus est, et antea a patribus ejus ; is vero qui a Salvatore annuntiatur, a nullo penitus visus est. Interrogemus ergo eos et nos si hunc quem fatentur Deum et alium esse eum dicunt quam creatorem Deum,visibilem an invisibilem dicant esse. Et siquidem dixerint quia visibilis est, praeter hoc quod contra Scripturae sententiam venire arguentur, quae dicit de Salvatore, quia imago est invisibilis Dei primogenitus omnis creaturae; incurrent etiam in illud absurdum, quod Deum corporeum esse dicant. Non enim aliter videri quid potest nisi per habitum, et magnitudinem, et colorem, quae sunt specialia corporum. Et si corpus esse pronuntietur deus, quoniam omne corpus ex materia est, invenietur et deus esse ex materia; quodsi ex materia sit , materia autem sine dubio corruptibilis est , erit ergo jam secundum illos corruptibilis Deus. Rursum quoque interrogabimus eos : Materia facta est an ingenita , id est infecta? Et siquidem dixerint quia infecta est, id est ingenita, requiremus ab eis si materiae pars quidem alia Deus. alia autem pars mundus est. Si vero responderint de materia quia facta est', sine dubio consequetur, ut eum quem Deum dicunt, factum esse fateantur ; quod utique nec ipsorum, nec nostra ratio admittit. Sed dicent : Invisibilis est Deus. Et quid agetis? Si invisibilem eum esse dicitis per naturam, neque Salvatori visibilis erit; Quinimo et videri Deus Pater Christi dicitur, quoniam qui videt, inquit, Filium , videt et Patrem . Quod utique vos vehementer angustat, a nobis vero rectius non pro videndo , sed pro intelligendo sentitur. Qui enim intellexerit Filium, intelliget et Patrem. Hoc ergo modo Moyses etiam Deum vidisse putandus est, non carnalibus oculis eum intuens, sed visu cordis ac sensu mentis intelligens, et hoc ex parte aliqua. Manifestum enim est quia, Faciem, inquit , meam non videbis (scilicet qui Moysi responsa praebebat), sed posteriora mea . Quae utique cum eo sunt intelligenda sacramento, quo intelligi convenit dicta divina , abjectis profecto illis et spretis anilibus fabulis quae de anterioribus Dei ab imperitis posterioribusque finguntur. Neque sane quis nos impium aliquid sensisse arbitretur, quod diximus quia nec Salvatori visibilis est Pater: consideret quali distinctione adversus haereticos agentes utimur. Diximus enim quod aliud sit videre et videri, et aliud nosse et nosci, vel cognoscere atque cognosci. Igitur videre et videri corporum res est; quod utique nec Patri, nec Filio, nec Spiritui sancto inter se invicem competenter aptabitur. Natura enim Trinitatis modum visionis excedit, his quae in corpore sunt , id est omnibus reliquis creaturis qualitatem inter se invicem visionis indulgens; incorporeae vero naturae et principaliter intellectuali, nihil aliud convenit nisi nosse vel nosci , sicut et Salvator ipse pronuntiat dicens quia »nemo novit filium nisi Pater, neque Patrem quis novit nisi Filius, et cui voluerit Filius revelare . Manifestum ergo est quia non dixit, nemo vidit Patrem nisi Filius , sed nemo novit Patrem nisi Filius.

But since the defenders of this heresy are sometimes accustomed to deceive the hearts of the simpler by certain deceptive sophisms, I think it not absurd also to set out what they are accustomed to bring forward in their assertions, and to refute their trickery and lies. They say, then: It is written, “No one has ever seen God”; but that God whom Moses preaches was seen both by Moses himself and before him by his fathers; whereas he who is proclaimed by the Saviour has been seen by no one at all. Let us, then, ask them in our turn whether they say that this one whom they confess as God, and say is other than the creator God, is visible or invisible. And if they say that he is visible, besides being shown to contradict the statement of Scripture which says of the Saviour that he is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, they will also fall into the absurdity of saying that God is corporeal. For nothing can be seen except through shape, size and colour, which are the special properties of bodies. And if God is declared to be a body, then, since every body is from matter, God too will be found to be from matter; and if he is from matter, and matter is undoubtedly corruptible, then according to them God will be corruptible. Again we shall ask them: Was matter made, or is it unbegotten, that is, unmade? And if they say that it is unmade, that is, unbegotten, we shall ask them whether one part of matter is God and another part the world. But if they reply that matter was made, it will undoubtedly follow that they confess that he whom they call God was made, which neither their reasoning nor ours admits. But they will say: God is invisible. And what will you do? If you say that he is invisible by nature, he will not be visible to the Saviour either. Nay rather, God the Father of Christ is said to be seen, since “He who sees the Son,” he says, “sees the Father also.” This certainly presses you hard, but by us it is more rightly understood not of seeing but of understanding. For he who has understood the Son will understand the Father also. In this way, then, Moses too must be thought to have seen God, not beholding him with fleshly eyes but understanding him with the sight of the heart and the perception of the mind, and this only in some part. For it is plain that he who gave the answers to Moses says, “You shall not see my face, but my back parts.” These words are certainly to be understood with that mystery with which divine sayings ought to be understood, the old wives' fables being rejected and despised which are invented by the ignorant about the front and back parts of God. Let no one think that we have held anything impious in saying that the Father is not visible even to the Saviour: let him consider what distinction we use in dealing with the heretics. For we have said that it is one thing to see and be seen, and another to know and be known, or to recognize and be recognized. To see and to be seen belongs to bodies; and this will certainly not be fittingly applied to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in relation to one another. For the nature of the Trinity exceeds the mode of vision, while granting to those who are in a body, that is, to all the other creatures, the quality of seeing one another; but to incorporeal and principally intellectual nature nothing else belongs but to know and be known, as the Saviour himself also declares, saying: “No one knows the Son except the Father, nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal him.” It is plain, then, that he did not say, “No one has seen the Father except the Son,” but “No one knows the Father except the Son.”

John 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:23 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:7 (echo, medium confidence) · Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The heretics' claim that the Creator was seen while the Father is invisible fails: God is incorporeal and invisible, and between Father and Son, as for Moses, there is knowing rather than seeing.

  • In the middle of this passage the scan interleaves Migne's parallel column, his Latin version of a statement reported by Jerome (“it remains that God is invisible; and if he is invisible by nature, he will not be visible even to the Saviour”); it has been removed and Rufinus's words restored to their order by logged correction. Rufinus's own text also says that the Father is not visible even to the Saviour, explaining this as the difference between seeing and knowing. Quotations and allusions: John 1:18; Col 1:15; John 14:9; Exod 33:23; 1 Tim 4:7; Matt 11:27.
  • Words lost in the Migne scan are supplied from Koetschau's edition.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne's parallel column (Latin version of a statement reported by Jerome) interleaved with Rufinus's text; removed, Rufinus's words restored to their order; OCR slip; OCR slips; line-break hyphen; OCR slip; line-break hyphen; stray marks; stray mark; stray marks): liuius Itmrcsis → hujus haeresis; ct ab ipso Moyse → et ab ipso Moyse; interrogemus ergo → Interrogemus ergo; visibilcm → visibilem; przrter hoc → praeter hoc; Scriptura sententiam → Scripturae sententiam; creatura: ; → creaturae;; qnte sunt → quae sunt; ab cis si materi:e → ab eis si materiae; nee nostra → nec nostra; :luvisibilis → : Invisibilis; et‘videri → et videri; quoniam s qui videt → quoniam qui videt; s nobis vero → a nobis vero; iutelligendo → intelligendo; quia, «Faciem → quia, Faciem; prmhebat → praebebat; ab- Cjectis → abjectis; tinguntur → finguntur; seu. sisse → sensisse; visibilis cst Pater → visibilis est Pater; btereticos → haereticos; nosci,‘vel → nosci, vel; igitur videre → Igitur videre; Patri ,nec → Patri, nec; incorporea: vero natura: → incorporeae vero naturae; con- Ῑ) venit → convenit; HIERONYMI INTERPBET. Restat ut invisibilisttfi) sit dicitis per naturam , ne- “""u ν’ ηη hu ci'w‘”! LI Α. UH Deus; siautem invisibilis visibilis. Saluatori visibilis erit; → dicitis per naturam, neque Salvatori visibilis erit;.

Topics: Heresy, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.4.3 (PG 11:201a–203a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-4-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.4.4PG 11:203a–203c

Si vero propter illa quae dicuntur in Veteri Testamento, quod irascitur Deus vel poenitet, vel si qua alia humani affectus passio designatur, materiam sibi ad confutandos nos praeberi putant, affirmantes penitus impassibilem Deum, atque his omnibus carentem affectibus sentiendum; ostendendum est eis etiam in evangelicis parabolis haberi similia cum dicit , quia is qui plantavit vineam et locavit eam colonis , qui coloni missos ad se servos interemerunt, ad ultimum etiam filium ad se missum occiderunt, iratus dicitur abstulisse vineam ab eis , et malos colonos male perditum dedisse, et vineam colonis aliis tradidisse qui redderent ei fructum in tempore suo δ’. Sed et illos cives qui profecto patrefamilias accipere sibi regnum, legatos miserunt post eum dicentes : Nolumus eum regnare super nos, impetrato regno regressus paterfamilias et iratus interfici coram se jubet , et civitatem eorum igne consumit. Sed et nos sive in Vetere Testamento, sive in Novo cum de ira Dei legimus, non secundum litteram quae dicuntur advertimus, sed spiritalem intellectum requirimus in talibus, ut ita sentiamus sicut intelligere de Deo dignum est. De quibus secundum parvitatem sensus nostri cum secundi psalmi exponeremus illum versiculum in quo ait: Tunc loquetur ad eos in ira sua, et in furore suo conturbabit eos, prout potuimus, qualiter hoc intelligi deberet ostendimus.

But if, because of what is said in the Old Testament, that God is angry or repents, or where any other passion of human feeling is indicated, they think material is offered them to refute us, affirming that God is to be thought wholly impassible and free of all such feelings, it must be shown to them that similar things are found also in the parables of the Gospel, when it says that he who planted a vineyard and leased it to tenants, who killed the servants sent to them and at last killed even the son sent to them, is said in his anger to have taken the vineyard from them, to have given the wicked tenants over to a wicked destruction, and to have handed the vineyard over to other tenants who would render him the fruit in its season. And also those citizens who, when the master of the house had set out to receive a kingdom for himself, sent envoys after him saying, “We do not want him to reign over us”: the master of the house, having obtained the kingdom, returned and in anger ordered them to be killed before him, and burned their city with fire. But we, whether in the Old Testament or in the New, when we read of the anger of God, do not take what is said according to the letter, but seek the spiritual understanding in such things, so as to think as it is worthy to understand of God. We showed, as far as we could, according to the smallness of our understanding, how this ought to be understood when we were expounding that little verse of the second Psalm in which it says: “Then he will speak to them in his anger, and in his fury he will trouble them.”

Matt 21:33 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 21:41 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 19:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 19:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 2:5 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: God's anger in the Old Testament is matched in Jesus' parables; in both Testaments it is to be understood spiritually, in a way worthy of God.

  • Origen's commentary on the second Psalm referred to here is lost. Quotations and allusions: Matt 21:33–41; Luke 19:12–27; Ps 2:5.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips; line-break hyphen; note marker): quou irascitur → quod irascitur; allectus passio → affectus passio; ronfutandos nos pra-beri → confutandos nos praeberi; aflirmantes → affirmantes; munibus carentem aliectibus → omnibus carentem affectibus; vi- . neam → vineam; tilium → filium; regnare super nos 9°, › → regnare super nos,; secundi ο psidmi exponeremns → secundi psalmi exponeremus; eos 9‘, → eos,.

Topics: Heresy, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.4.4 (PG 11:203a–203c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-4-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Rufinus's Latin translation of Origen's lost Greek (Migne PG 11, from the library scan's OCR, slips corrected as logged), divided by Koetschau's sections (GCS 22, 1913); words lost in the scan are supplied from Koetschau, and sections that the scan gives disordered or mixed with Migne's parallel columns (and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) are translated from Koetschau's text, as noted; compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of F. Crombie in ANF 4 (1885).

On 2, chapter 5

2.5.1PG 11:203c–204b

Verum quoniam movet etiam istud quosdam quod principes istius haeresis divisionem quamdam fecisse sibi videntur, qua dixerunt aliud esse justum, aliud bonum, et hac divisione in divinitate etiam usi sunt, affirmantes bonum quidem Deum esse Patrem Domini nostri Jesu Christi, et non justum, justum vero legis et prophetarum Deum, nec tamen bonum ; huic quaestioni respondere quam potuero breviter necessarium puto. Existimant igitur bonitatem affectum talem quemdam esse , quod bene fieri omnibus debeat etiamsi indignus sit is cui beneficium datur, nec bene consequi mereatur; sed, ut mihi videtur, non recte usi sunt definitione, putantes non fieri bene huic, cui austerum vel triste aliquid infertur. Justitiam vero putarunt affectum esse talem qui unicuique prout meretur retribuat. Sed et in hoc rursum definitionis suae sensum non recte interpretantur. Putant enim quia quod justum est malis mala faciat, bonis bona, id est, ut secundum sensum ipsorum justus malis non videatur bene velle , sed velut odio quodam ferri adversus eos; et colligunt sicubi forte in Scripturis Veteris TeSIamenti inveniunt historiam referentem, verbi gratia de diluvii poenis, et eorum qui in eo exstincti referuntur, vel cum Sodoma et Gomorrha ignei sulphureique imbris vastatione depopulantur, vel cum in deserto pro peccatis suis omnes decidunt, ita ut nullus ex his qui de Egypto fuerant profecti. inveniatur terram repromissionis intrare praeter Jesum et Caleb". De Novo autem Testamento misericordiae ac pietatis congregant verba, quibus a Salvatore discipuli informantur, et quibus pronuntiari videtur, quia nemo sit bonus praeter unum Deum Patrem; et per hoc ausi sunt bonum quidem nominare Patrem Salvatoris Jesu Christi, alium autem esse dicunt mundi Deum, quem justum eis, non etiam bonum placuit appellare.

But since some are also troubled by this, that the leaders of this heresy seem to themselves to have made a certain division, by which they said that the just is one thing and the good another, and have applied this division even to the Godhead, affirming that the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is a good God but not just, and that the God of the law and the prophets is just but not good, I think it necessary to reply to this question as briefly as I can. They think, then, that goodness is a disposition such that it ought to do good to all, even if the one to whom the benefit is given is unworthy and does not deserve to obtain good; but, as it seems to me, they have not used this definition rightly, thinking that good is not done to one on whom something harsh or painful is inflicted. Justice, on the other hand, they thought to be a disposition that renders to each according to his deserts. But here again they do not interpret the sense of their own definition rightly. For they think that the just does evil to the evil and good to the good, that is, that according to their sense the just man does not seem to wish well to the evil but is borne against them with a kind of hatred. And they gather any places they find in the Scriptures of the Old Testament where the narrative relates, for example, the punishments of the flood and of those who are related to have perished in it, or how Sodom and Gomorrah are laid waste by a rain of fire and sulphur, or how all fall in the desert for their sins, so that none of those who had set out from Egypt is found to enter the land of promise except Joshua and Caleb. From the New Testament, on the other hand, they gather words of mercy and kindness by which the disciples are instructed by the Saviour, and by which it seems to be declared that no one is good except the one God the Father; and on this basis they have dared to call the Father of the Saviour Jesus Christ good, but say that the God of the world is another, whom they were pleased to call just but not also good.

Gen 7:21 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 19:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 14:30 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 26:65 (allusion, medium confidence) · Mark 10:18 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Origen introduces the heretics' division between a good God, the Father of Christ, and a just but not good God of the law, which they support by the Old Testament punishments.

  • The heretics are the Marcionites. “Joshua” renders Jesus, the Latin form of the name. Allusions: Gen 7; Gen 19:24; Num 14:30; Num 26:65; Mark 10:18.
  • Words lost in the Migne scan are supplied from Koetschau's edition.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips; joined words; split word): juo stum → justum; aliirmantes → affirmantes; .lesu → Jesu; qumstioni → quaestioni; mereatur;sed → mereatur; sed; etin hoc → et in hoc; quoiam ferri → quodam ferri; puenis, eteorum → poenis, et eorum; Sodoma ct Gomorrha → Sodoma et Gomorrha; rum in deserto → cum in deserto; Jesum ct Caleb → Jesum et Caleb; congreo gant → congregant; informanν tur → informantur; przeter → praeter; bunum → bonum; appeflare → appellare.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.5.1 (PG 11:203c–204b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-5-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.5.2PG 11:204b–206a

A quibus primo illud exigendum puto, si secundum suam definitionem justum possunt ostendere conditorem punientem pro meritis vel eos qui diluvii tempore perierunt, vel Sodomitas, vel eos qui ex Aegypto profecti fuerant, cum videamus interdum multo nequiora et scelestiora committi flagitia quam fuerint illa pro quibus hi quos supra diximus interempti sunt, nondum tamen videmus unumquemque peccantium poenam luere meritorum; nunquidnam bonum dicent effectum eum qui aliquando justus erat? An potius illud putabunt, quod justus quidem est nunc, sed patienter fert humana delicta, tunc vero nec justus quidem erat qui innocentes parvulos et lactentes simul cum immanibus et impiis gigantibus exstinguebat? Sed haec ita sentiunt, quia nihil audire ultra litteram norunt; alioquin ostendant quomodo justum est secundum litteram, in tertiam et quartam progeniem parentum reddi peccata in sinum filiorum, et in filiorum ipsorum filios post ipsos ’. A nobis autem talia ista non secundum litteram intelliguntur, sed sicut Ezechiel docuit parabolam eam dicens “, requirimus quid significet introrsus ipsa parabola. Sed et illud debent ostendere, quomodo justus sit, et pro meritis unicuique retribuens, qui punit terrenos et diabolum, cum nihil dignum poena commiserint. Non enim poterant (si secundum istos naturae malae et perditae erant) aliquid boni agere. Nam et quod judicem eum dicunt, non tam gestorum, quam naturarum judex videtur; quippe si natura mala benefacere non potest, nec bona male. Tum deinde eum quem bonum dicunt, si ad omnes bonus est, sine dubio et ad eos qui perituri sunt bonus est; et quomodo non eos salvat? Si non vult, jam non erit bonus; si vult et non potest, omnipotens non erit. Quin potius audiant in Evangeliis Patrem Domini nostri Jesu Christi ignem praeparantem diabolo et angelis ejus ". Et quomodo istud opus tam poenale quam triste secundum sensum iStorum boni ita videbitur? Sed et ipse Salvator boni Dei Filius in Evangeliis protestatur et dicit, quia si signa et prodigia facta fuissent in Tyro et Sidone, olim in sacco et cinere sedentes paenitentiam egissent .» Et cum proximus utique ipsis urbibus accessisset, ac fines earum fuisset ingressus, cur, quaeso, declinat civitates istas ingredi, et praestare eis signorum et prodigiorum copiam, si eas his gestis in sacco et cinere certum erat acturas esse poenitentiam? Quod utique cum non facit, sine dubio perditioni eas relinquit, quas malae et perditae naturae non esse ipse Evangelii sermo indicat qui eas potuisse poenitere designat. Sed et in quadam Evangelii nihilominus parabola ingrediens rex videre discumbentes qui fuerant invitati, vidit quemdam non indutum nuptialibus indumentis, et ait ei: Amice, quomodo huc intrasti non habens indumentum nuptiale? Tunc ait ministris : Ligantes ei manus et pedes mittite eum foras in tenebras exteriores, ibi erit fletus et stridor dentium . Dicant nobis quis est iste rex qui ingressus est videre discumbentes, et inveniens inter eos quemdam sordidis indumentis, jubet eum vinctum per ministros suos in exteriores tenebras detrudi. Nunquidnam ille est quem justum dicunt? Et quomodo bonos ac malos jusserat invitari, nec merita a ministris sciscitari praeceperat? Per quod utique non justi alicujus, ut isti dicunt, et pro meritis retribuentis, sed erga omnes indiscretae benignitatis indicatur affectus. Si vero necesse est hoc de bono Deo, id est vel de Christo, vel de Patre Christi intelligi, quid aliud est quod justo Dei judicio objiciunt; imo quid tale est quod in Deo legis criminantur, quale est ut eum qui ab his servis quos miserat vocare bonos et malos, fuerat invitatus, juberet pro sordidioribus indumentis vinctum manibus pedibusque in exteriores tenebras praecipitari?

From them I think we must first demand whether, according to their definition, they can show the creator to be just in punishing according to their deserts either those who perished at the time of the flood, or the Sodomites, or those who had set out from Egypt, when we sometimes see far more wicked and criminal outrages committed than those for which the people we mentioned were destroyed, and yet we do not see each sinner paying the penalty he deserves. Will they say that he who was once just has become good? Or will they rather think that he is just now, but bears human offences patiently, whereas then he was not even just, when he destroyed innocent little children and infants at the breast together with the monstrous and impious giants? But they think so because they do not know how to hear anything beyond the letter; otherwise let them show how it is just according to the letter that the sins of parents be repaid into the bosom of their children to the third and fourth generation, and on their children's children after them. By us, however, such things are not understood according to the letter, but, as Ezekiel taught when he called it a parable, we seek what the parable itself signifies inwardly. They must also show how he is just and renders to each according to his merits who punishes the earthly and the devil, when they have committed nothing worthy of punishment. For they could not do anything good, if, according to these people, they were of an evil and lost nature. And as to their calling him a judge, he seems a judge not so much of deeds as of natures; since if an evil nature cannot do good, neither can a good one do evil. Then again, he whom they call good, if he is good to all, is undoubtedly good also to those who are to perish; and why does he not save them? If he does not will to, he will no longer be good; if he wills and cannot, he will not be almighty. Let them rather hear in the Gospels of the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ preparing fire for the devil and his angels. And how, by their way of thinking, will this work, so penal and so grim, seem to belong to the good God? The Saviour himself too, the Son of the good God, testifies in the Gospels and says that “if the signs and wonders had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would long ago have repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.” And when he had come very near to those very cities and had entered their territory, why, I ask, does he avoid entering those cities and granting them an abundance of signs and wonders, if it was certain that through these deeds they would repent in sackcloth and ashes? Since he does not do this, he undoubtedly leaves them to destruction, though the very word of the Gospel indicates that they were not of an evil and lost nature, since it shows that they could have repented. And also in a certain parable of the Gospel, the king, coming in to see those reclining at table who had been invited, saw a certain man not clothed in wedding garments, and said to him: “Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?” Then he said to the servants: “Bind his hands and feet and cast him out into the outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Let them tell us who this king is who came in to see those reclining and, finding among them one in dirty garments, orders him to be bound by his servants and thrust into the outer darkness. Is he the one they call just? And how had he ordered both good and bad to be invited, and not commanded his servants to inquire into their merits? By this is certainly shown the disposition not of someone just, as these people say, who repays according to merit, but of a kindness that makes no distinction among all. But if this must be understood of the good God, that is, of Christ or the Father of Christ, what else do they object against the just judgment of God? Indeed, what charge do they bring against the God of the law that is comparable to this, that he should order one who had been invited by the servants he had sent to call good and bad to be bound hand and foot and thrown into the outer darkness for his rather dirty garments?

Gen 6:4 (allusion, medium confidence) · Exod 20:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 5:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 18:2 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 25:41 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 11:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 15:21 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 22:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:13 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The heretics' own definitions fail: the Old Testament punishments must be read spiritually, while the Gospels too show the Father of Christ punishing, as in the parable of the wedding garment.

  • “The earthly” refers to the heretics' teaching (associated with the Valentinians) of different natures, some unable to be saved. Quotations and allusions: Gen 6:4; Exod 20:5 (Deut 5:9); Ezek 18:2–3; Matt 25:41; Matt 11:21; Matt 15:21; Matt 22:10–13.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne footnote removed; Migne footnotes removed; line-break hyphen; OCR misread; OCR slip; OCR slips; OCR slips; note marker; line-break hyphen; note marker; stray mark): vel eo; qui → vel eos qui; IEgypto → Aegypto; eum videamus → cum videamus; llagitia → flagitia; haec-ita → haec ita; in liliorum ipsorutn _tilios → in filiorum ipsorum filios; parabolain → parabolam; Α nobis → A nobis; mala: et perdita: erant) aliquid Itoni → malae et perditae erant) aliquid boni; quant naturarum jndex → quam naturarum judex; l,(Jhristi ignem prmparautem → Christi ignem praeparantem; ptenale quant triste → poenale quam triste; ‹ quia si signa → quia si signa; itrsacco → in sacco; lines earum → fines earum; qtueso, det-linat → quaeso, declinat; ptenitentiam → poenitentiam; mala: et perdita- natura: (8|) → malae et perditae naturae; pcenitere → poenitere; quem- ϐ dam → quemdam; aitei: ς Amice → ait ei: Amice; foras- in → foras in; videro → videre; invitari (εἳ), → invitari,; indiscreta: → indiscretae; all'ectus → affectus; quale cst → quale est; jnberet → juberet; justus sit, et " Psal. Il, 5. ,θ’ Cen. vu, l9. Deut. v, 9. pro meritis → justus sit, et pro meritis; obji- ” Matth. xxv, 4i. ’° Matth. x1, 2]. δ’ Matth Sic mss. Alias, tam pmnale, tam triste secundum sensum eorum. (isillis-fines earum fuisset ingressusakilfecm desunt in‘ aritea editis, sed habentur in omnibus mss. (aliisue recte ‘mss:;_ libb. editi, Aufide?) ναζιᾶροὲι mss., ε huc intrasti. Libb. editi, ἰη- ῗιιξιεξιιέε. Libb. editi, nunquid non ille est... ciunt; → objiciunt;.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.5.2 (PG 11:204b–206a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-5-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Rufinus's Latin translation of Origen's lost Greek (Migne PG 11, from the library scan's OCR, slips corrected as logged), divided by Koetschau's sections (GCS 22, 1913); words lost in the scan are supplied from Koetschau, and sections that the scan gives disordered or mixed with Migne's parallel columns (and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) are translated from Koetschau's text, as noted; compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of F. Crombie in ANF 4 (1885).

2.5.3PG 11:206a–207b

Et haec quidem sufficere debent quae ex auctoritate assumpsimus Scripturarum ad refellenda ea quae haeretici obtendere solent. Non tamen indecens videbitur, si etiam ex ratione ipsius consequentiae paucis agamus cum eis. Interrogamus ergo eos si norunt quae ratio apud homines virtutis ac malitiae habeatur, et si videtur consequens esse, ut virtutes dicamus in Deo, vel, ut ipsis videtur, in duobus istis diis. Respondeant hoc quoque: si videtur eis bonitas virtus esse aliqua, quod puto sine dubio fatebuntur, quid etiam dicent de justitia? Nunquam profecto, ut mihi videtur, ita desipient, ut justitiam negent esse virtutem. Ergo si bonum virtus, et justitia virtus est, sine dubio justitia bonitas est. Si vero dixerint non esse bonum justitiam, superest ut aut malum sit, aut indifferens. Et quidem dicentibus malum esse justitiam respondere ineptum puto. Videbor enim vel insanis sermonibus. vel mente motis hominibus respondere. Malum enim quomodo videbitur id quod bonis bona retribuere potest, sicut etiam ipsi fatentur? Si vero indifferens dixerint, consequens est ut cum justitia indifferens sit, et sobrietas et prudentia et omnes reliquae virtutes indifferentes habeantur. Et quid respondebimus Paulo dicenti: Si qua virtus, si qua laus, haec cogitate quae didicistis, et accepistis, et audistis, et vidistis in me "‘1 Discant ergo perscrutantes Scripturas divinas, quae sunt singulae virtutes, et non subripiant in hoc quod dicunt, quia is Deus qui unicuique secundum meritum retribuit, odio malorum retribuit malis mala, et non pro eo quod austerioribus curari indigent medicamentis hi qui deliquerunt, et propterea his adhibet ea quae emendationis prospectu ad praesens videntur sensum doloris inferre. Non legunt quid scriptum sit de spe illorum qui in diluvio perempti sunt, de qua spe Petrus ipse in prima Epistola sua ita ait: Quia Christus mortuus quidem est carne, vivificatus autem spiritu : in quo pergens praedicavit his spiritibus qui in carcere tenebantur, qui increduli fuerant aliquando cum exspectarent Dei patientiam in diebus Noe cum fabricaretur arca, in qua pauci, id est octo animae salvae factae sunt per aquam. quod et vos simili forma nunc baptisma salvos facit. De Sodoma autem et Gomorrha dicant nobis, si credunt creatoris Dei esse propheticas voces, ejus scilicet qui refertur super eos ignis et sulphuris imbrem pluisse: quid dicit de ipsis Ezechiel propheta? Restituetur, inquit, Sodoma in antiquum . Quid autem affligens eos qui paena digni sunt, non pro bono affligit? Qui etiam ad Chaldaeam dicit : Habes carbones ignis, sede super eos, ipsi erunt tibi adjutorio’. Sed et de his qui in deserto ceciderunt, audiant quid in LXXVII psalmo, qui Asaph superscribitur, referatur; ait enim: Cum occideret eos, tunc exquirebant eum . Non dicit, quia aliis interfectis alii requirebant eum, sed ait quia eorum qui occidebantur talis erat interitus, ut mortificati requirerent Deum. Ex quibus omnibus constat unum eumdemque esse justum et bonum legis et Evangeliorum Deum, et benefacere cum justitia et cum bonitate punire; quia nec bonum sine justo, nec justum sine bono dignitatem divinae potest indicare naturae. Addemus adhuc etiam hoc, versutiis eorum compellentibus nos : Si aliud est justum quam bonum, quoniam bono malum contrarium est, et justo injustum, sine dubio et injustum aliud erit quam malum; et sicut justus apud vos non est bonus, ita neque injustus erit malus; et rursum, sicut bonus non est justus, ita et malus non erit injustus. Cui autem non videtur absurdum, ut Deo quidem bono contrarius sit malus, Deo autem justo, quem inferiorem bono dicunt, contrarius nemo sit? Non enim sicut Satanas est qui malus dicitur, ita est alius aliquis qui dicatur injustus. Quid ergo est? Rescindamus ea quae defendimus. Non enim poterunt dicere, quia malus non etiam injustus sit, et injustus malus. Quod si in istis contrariis indissociabiliter inhaeret vel malo injustitia, vel injustitiae malum, sine dubio et bonus indissociabilis erit justo, et justus bono; ut sicut unam eamdemque nequitiam malitiae et injustitiae dicimus, ita bonitatis ac justitiae virtutem unam eamdemque teneamus.

These things which we have taken from the authority of the Scriptures ought to suffice for refuting what the heretics are accustomed to allege. It will not seem unfitting, however, if we deal with them briefly also from reason and its consequences. We ask them, then, whether they know what account is held among human beings of virtue and wickedness, and whether it seems consistent that we speak of virtues in God, or, as they think, in these two gods. Let them answer this too: whether goodness seems to them to be a virtue, which I think they will undoubtedly admit. What will they say of justice? Never, surely, as it seems to me, will they be so foolish as to deny that justice is a virtue. If, then, goodness is a virtue and justice is a virtue, justice is undoubtedly goodness. But if they say that justice is not good, it remains that it is either evil or indifferent. To answer those who say that justice is evil I think absurd; for I shall seem to be answering senseless words or people out of their minds. For how will that seem evil which can render good to the good, as even they themselves admit? But if they say it is indifferent, it follows that, since justice is indifferent, temperance and prudence and all the other virtues are also held to be indifferent. And what shall we answer to Paul, who says: “If there is any virtue, if any praise, think on these things which you have learned and received and heard and seen in me”? Let them learn, then, by searching the divine Scriptures, what the individual virtues are, and not deceive by saying that the God who renders to each according to his merit renders evil to the evil out of hatred of the wicked, and not because those who have sinned need to be healed by harsher medicines, and that for this reason he applies to them things which, with a view to their amendment, seem for the present to bring a sense of pain. They do not read what is written of the hope of those who perished in the flood, about which hope Peter himself says in his first Epistle: “For Christ died indeed in the flesh, but was made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to those spirits who were held in prison, who had once been unbelieving, when they awaited the patience of God in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water; and baptism, in a similar form, now saves you also.” As for Sodom and Gomorrah, let them tell us whether they believe that the prophetic words belong to the creator God, namely to him who is related to have rained a shower of fire and sulphur upon them. What does the prophet Ezekiel say of them? “Sodom,” he says, “will be restored to its former state.” And in afflicting those who are worthy of punishment, does he not afflict them for their good? He also says to Chaldea: “You have coals of fire; sit upon them; they will be a help to you.” And about those who fell in the desert, let them hear what is related in the seventy-seventh Psalm, which is entitled “of Asaph”; for it says: “When he slew them, then they sought him.” It does not say that when some were killed, others sought him, but that the death of those who were killed was such that, when put to death, they sought God. From all this it is established that the God of the law and of the Gospels is one and the same, just and good, and that he does good with justice and punishes with goodness; because neither good without just nor just without good can show the dignity of the divine nature. We shall add this too, as their cunning compels us: if the just is something other than the good, since evil is the contrary of good and unjust the contrary of just, then undoubtedly the unjust will be something other than the evil; and just as among you the just man is not good, so neither will the unjust man be evil; and again, just as the good man is not just, so the evil man will not be unjust. But to whom does it not seem absurd that to the good God there should be a contrary, the evil one, while to the just God, whom they call inferior to the good, there should be no contrary? For there is not, as there is Satan who is called evil, another who is called unjust. What then? Let us cut away what we are defending. For they will not be able to say that the evil one is not also unjust, and the unjust evil. And if in these contraries injustice inheres inseparably in evil, or evil in injustice, undoubtedly the good also will be inseparable from the just, and the just from the good; so that, as we speak of one and the same wickedness of malice and injustice, so we may hold one and the same virtue of goodness and justice.

Phil 4:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 4:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:19 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:20 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 19:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 16:55 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 47:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 47:15 (quotation, medium confidence) · Ps 78:34 (77:34 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Since justice and goodness are both virtues, the just God is good; his punishments are remedies for amendment, as Peter's words on those who perished in the flood show.

  • Quotations: Phil 4:8–9; 1 Pet 3:18–21. Punishment as healing medicine is Origen's view, given as written.
  • Quotations: Ezek 16:55; Isa 47:14–15 (Greek form); Ps 78:34 (Ps 77:34 LXX, “the seventy-seventh Psalm”). Allusion: Gen 19:24.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne footnote removed; OCR slips; OCR misread; OCR slip; OCR slips; joined words; joined words; OCR slip; note marker; stray mark; stray mark; OCR slip; stray marks): sulIicere → sufficere; obtendere‘solent.‘ Non → obtendere solent. Non; consequentia: paucis → consequentiae paucis; lnterrogamus → Interrogamus; qmc ratio → quae ratio; ac maliti:e → ac malitiae; sividetnr → si videtur; qia etiam-dicent deijustitia → quid etiam dicent de justitia; indili'ercns → indifferens; dicentibns → dicentibus; indiflerens → indifferens; indiil‘erens → indifferens; reliqua: virtutes indill‘erentes → reliquae virtutes indifferentes; i Si qua virtus → Si qua virtus; c0gitate → cogitate; ct audistis → et audistis; qua; sunt singula: virtutes, ct non subripiunt → quae sunt singulae virtutes, et non subripiant; qua: emendatioms → quae emendationis; de κ. qua Spe → de qua spe; pauci, tu, 12, 15. Phil. tv, 8, 9. id est octo animm salva: factre → pauci, id est octo animae salvae factae; baptisma salvos facit ’9. → baptisma salvos facit.; creduntcrcatoris → credunt creatoris; Rcstituetur → Restituetur; autiquum → antiquum; Chaldmam → Chaldaeam; llahes → Habes; itt ’Lxxvtt psalmo, qui Asaph snperscribitur → in LXXVII psalmo, qui Asaph superscribitur; ait enim: t Cum occideret eos, tunc exquirebant ettm → ait enim: Cum occideret eos, tunc exquirebant eum; Νοη dicit → Non dicit; eratinteritus → erat interitus; divina: potest indicare natumAddemtts → divinae potest indicare naturae. Addemus; cumpellentihus → compellentibus; estjustum → est justum; injustnm → injustum; sicutjustus → sicut justus; estjustus → est justus; iujustus → injustus; justo α quem → justo, quem; injuslus → injustus; indis. sm'iabiliter inhmret vel malo injustilia, vel injustitizn malum → indissociabiliter inhaeret vel malo injustitia, vel injustitiae malum; iudissociabilis → indissociabilis; malitite → malitiae.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.5.3 (PG 11:206a–207b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-5-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Rufinus's Latin translation of Origen's lost Greek (Migne PG 11, from the library scan's OCR, slips corrected as logged), divided by Koetschau's sections (GCS 22, 1913); words lost in the scan are supplied from Koetschau, and sections that the scan gives disordered or mixed with Migne's parallel columns (and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) are translated from Koetschau's text, as noted; compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of F. Crombie in ANF 4 (1885).

2.5.4PG 11:207b–209a

Sed iterum ad Scripturae nos revocant verba proferentes illam suam famosissimam quaestionem. Aiunt namque: Scriptum est, quia non potest arbor bona malos fructus facere, neque arbor mala fructus bonos facere; ex fructu enim arbor cognoscitur . Quid ergo aiunt? Qualis arbor sit lex, ex fructibus suis, id est ex praeceptorum sermonibus declaratur. Si enim bona inveniatur lex, sine dubio et qui dedit eam bonus Deus esse creditur. Si vero justa magis quam bona, justus etiam legislator putabitur Deus. Paulus apostolus nulla circuitione usus ait: Lex ergo bona est, et mandatum sanctum et justum et bonum . Ex quibus est manifestum, quia Paulus non istorum litteras didicerat qui justum a bono separant, sed ab eo Deo fuerat instructus, et ejus Dei Spiritu fuerat illuminatus, qui simul et sanctus et bonus et justus est; per cujus ille Spiritum loquens, dicebat mandatum legis esse sanctum, et justum, et bonum. Et ut evidentius supra justitiam et sanctitatem bonitatem magis inesse ostenderet in mandato, repetito sermone, pro his tribus solam protulit bonitatem dicens: Quod ergo bonum est, mihi mors est? absit . Sciens quippe bonitatem genus esse virtutum, justitiam vero vel sanctitatem species generis, ideo cum in superioribus genus simul ac species nominasset, repetens sermonem ad solum genus retorsit. Sed et in consequentibus : Peccatum, inquit, per bonum mihi operatum est mortem'. In quo id per genus concludit, quod superius per species exposuerat. Hoc modo namque intelligendum est etiam illud quod dictum est : Bonus homo de bono thesauro cordis sui profert bonum, et malus de malo profert malum . Genus namque assumpsit etiam hic in bono vel malo, ostendens sine dubio in bono homine esse et justitiam et sobrietatem et prudentiam et pietatem et omne quod vel dici bonum vel intelligi potest. Similiter etiam et malum hominem dixit. qui sine dubio esset injustus, et impurus, et impius, et omnia quae per partes hominem malum deformant. Sicut enim sine his nequitiis nemo aliquem malum hominem putat, nec esse malus potest, ita et sine illis virtutibus certum est quod nemo putabitur esse bonus. Superest eis adhuc etiam, illud, quod velut proprie sibi datum scutum putant, quod dixit Dominus in Evangelio : Nemo bonus nisi unus Deus Pater, dicentes hoc esse proprium vocabulum Patris Christi, qui tamen alius sit a creatore omnium Deo, cui creatori bonitatis nullam dederit appellationem. Videamus ergo si in Veteri Testamento Deus prophetarum et mundi creator ac legislator non dicitur bonus. Et quid est quod in Psalmis dicit : Quam bonus Israel Deus rectis corde; et : Dicat nunc Israel quoniam bonus, quoniam in saeculum misericordia ejus “. Et in Lamentationibus Jeremiae scriptum est : Bonus Dominus his qui sustinent eum, animae quaerenti eum “. Sicut ergo bonus in Veteri Testamento frequenter dicitur Deus, ita etiam justus in Evangeliis appellatur Domini nostri Iesu Christi Pater. Denique in Evangelia secundum Joannem orans ipse Dominus noster ad Patrem dicit Pater juste, et mundus te non cognovit . Ne forte dicant, quia etiam mundi creatorem pro assumptione carnis Patrem vocabat, et ipsum justum nominabat, excluduntur ab eo sermone qui statim sequitur; ait enim : Et mundus te non cognovit. Secundum ipsos enim solum Deum bonum mundus ignorat. Nam conditorem suum verissime recognoscit, Domino ipso dicente, quia mundus quod suum est diligit. Aperte ergo ille quem putant bonum Deum, justus esse in Evangeliis dicitur. Ex otio sane licebit plura testimonia congregare, sicubi in Novo Testamento Pater Domini nostri Jesu Christi justus appellatur, et etiam in Veteri Testamento caeli et terrae creator bonus dicitur, ut pluribus testimoniis convicti haeretici aliquando forte erubescant.

But again they call us back to the Scriptures, bringing forward that most famous question of theirs. For they say: It is written that “a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree good fruit; for the tree is known by its fruit.” What then do they say? What kind of tree the law is, is declared by its fruits, that is, by the words of its precepts. For if the law is found to be good, then undoubtedly he who gave it is believed to be a good God; but if it is just rather than good, the lawgiver God will also be thought just. The apostle Paul, using no circumlocution, says: “The law therefore is good, and the commandment holy and just and good.” From this it is plain that Paul had not learned the letters of these people who separate the just from the good, but had been instructed by that God and enlightened by the Spirit of that God who is at once holy and good and just; and speaking by his Spirit he said that the commandment of the law was holy and just and good. And to show more evidently that goodness is present in the commandment over and above justice and holiness, repeating the word, he put forward goodness alone in place of these three, saying: “Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means.” For knowing that goodness is the genus of the virtues, and justice or holiness species of that genus, having named genus and species together above, in repeating the word he turned it back to the genus alone. And in what follows: “Sin,” he says, “worked death in me through what is good.” In this he concludes by the genus what he had set out above by the species. In this way too must be understood the saying: “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good, and the evil man out of the evil brings forth evil.” For here too he took the genus in good and evil, showing undoubtedly that in the good man there is justice and temperance and prudence and piety and everything that can be called or understood as good. Likewise also he spoke of the evil man, who would undoubtedly be unjust and impure and impious and all the things that disfigure the evil man in his parts. For just as without these wickednesses no one thinks anyone an evil man, nor can he be evil, so it is certain that without those virtues no one will be thought good. There remains to them also what they think was given them as a shield of their own, that the Lord said in the Gospel, “No one is good but one, God the Father,” saying that this is the proper name of the Father of Christ, who is nevertheless other than God the creator of all, to whom, the creator, he gave no title of goodness. Let us see, then, whether in the Old Testament the God of the prophets and the creator of the world and lawgiver is not called good. And what of what is said in the Psalms: “How good is the God of Israel to the upright in heart!” and: “Let Israel now say that he is good, that his mercy is for ever”? And in the Lamentations of Jeremiah it is written: “The Lord is good to those who wait for him, to the soul that seeks him.” As, then, God is frequently called good in the Old Testament, so too the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is called just in the Gospels. Indeed, in the Gospel according to John our Lord himself, praying to the Father, says: “Just Father, and the world has not known you.” Lest perhaps they say that because of his taking flesh he called the creator of the world Father and named him just, they are excluded by the words that immediately follow; for he says, “And the world has not known you.” For according to them the world is ignorant only of the good God, since it most truly recognizes its own maker, as the Lord himself says that the world loves what is its own. Plainly, then, he whom they think the good God is said in the Gospels to be just. At leisure it will be possible to gather more testimonies where in the New Testament the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ is called just, and where in the Old Testament the creator of heaven and earth is called good, so that the heretics, convicted by more testimonies, may perhaps at some time be ashamed.

Matt 7:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:33 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:35 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 10:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 73:1 (72:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 118:2 (117:2 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Lam 3:25 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:25 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:19 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Against the heretics' appeal to “a good tree cannot bear bad fruit” and “no one is good but God,” Origen shows that the law is called good and the Father of Christ is called just.

  • Quotations: Matt 7:18 and 12:33; Rom 7:12, 13; Matt 12:35; Mark 10:18; Ps 73:1 (Ps 72:1 LXX); Ps 118:2 (Ps 117:2 LXX); Lam 3:25; John 17:25; John 15:19.
  • Words lost in the Migne scan are supplied from Koetschau's edition.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne footnote removed; OCR misread; OCR slip; OCR slips; column number removed; joined words; joined words; OCR slip; split word; stray mark; stray mark; OCR slip): Scriptura: nos → Scripturae nos; Aiuntnamque → Aiunt namque; quia t non potest → quia non potest; id estex → id est ex; potabitur → putabitur; nuiia circuitione → nulla circuitione; ait: ( Lex → ait: Lex; didiceratqai → didicerat qui; Spiritu- fuerat → Spiritu fuerat; pr0tul2t → protulit; 89 mihi mors est → mihi mors est; nominasset,rcpctens → nominasset, repetens; opera.tum → operatum; 1η quo → In quo; de boum thesauro → de bono thesauro; mal-ts de malo profert ntalum → malus de malo profert malum; prudenv tiam → prudentiam; qui ‘Sine dubio esset injustlIS. et impurus, οι impius, et omnia quze → qui sine dubio esset injustus, et impurus, et impius, et omnia quae; s'ne his → sine his; alio quem → aliquem; certum est quod ’ nemo → certum est quod nemo; qttod velut → quod velut; Pater ,. → Pater,; rectis corde ; i et → rectis corde; et; in sacculum → in saeculum; Ει in Lamentationibus 181·θωίω scriptum → Et in Lamentationibus Jeremiae scriptum; Βοηυδ Dominus → Bonus Dominus; anima: quaerenti → animae quaerenti; τι Pater juste, et mundus ie non → Pater juste, et mundus te non; tutnnli → mundi; Patrent → Patrem; rliatn in Veteri Testamento cmii’ et terra: → etiam in Veteri Testamento caeli et terrae; lueretici → haeretici; Domini Matth. vn, l9. PSal. ’Psalm. Lxxvtt, 54. tLvtt, 14, 15. id. Matth. Matth. xu, 55. ‘Luc. xutt, i9. Sal. nostri → Domini nostri.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Origen, Princ. 2.5.4 (PG 11:207b–209a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-de-principiis/2-4-1/#p-2-5-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from Rufinus's Latin translation of Origen's lost Greek (Migne PG 11, from the library scan's OCR, slips corrected as logged), divided by Koetschau's sections (GCS 22, 1913); words lost in the scan are supplied from Koetschau, and sections that the scan gives disordered or mixed with Migne's parallel columns (and 1.4.3–5, absent from Migne) are translated from Koetschau's text, as noted; compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of F. Crombie in ANF 4 (1885).