Against Heresies 2.19.1–2.22.6

Latin text: Harvey 1857 (Latin text: Harvey (1857), transcribed from archive.org OCR of the printed volumes; section numbers checked against Stieren (1853)).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 1 (1885), Irenaeus, Against Heresies.

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Against 2, chapter 19

2.19.1Harvey 1:292

Qualis est autem et de semine ipsorum sermo, conceptum quidem illum secundum figurationem eorum qui sunt erga Salvatorem angelorum a Matre informe, et sine specie, et imperfectum; depositum autem in Demiurgum, nesciente eo, ut per eum in eam animam quz erat ab eo seminatam, perfectionem et formationem percipiat? Primum quidem est dicere, quoniam imperfecti, et infigurati, et informes hi sunt angeli, qui sunt erga Salvatorem ipsorum: siquidem secundum illorum speciem conceptum tale quid generatum est.

What sort of talk is this, too, about their seed: that it was conceived by the Mother after the form of the angels who attend the Savior, shapeless, without form, and imperfect, and deposited in the Demiurge without his knowledge, so that through him it might receive perfection and formation in the soul that was sown by him? The first thing to say is that the angels who attend their Savior are imperfect, without figure, and without form, if indeed such a thing was conceived after their likeness.

Notes and citation

Summary: If the seed was conceived formless after the image of the Savior's angels, those angels must themselves be formless.

  • Harvey's chapter title at the start of the section is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (editor's chapter title; OCR; footnote number; stray marks): Quomodo de semine 1psorum. sermo universus instabilis ostendatur: et quoniam, non ignorant Demiurgus in eum seminis depositionem. QvALis → Qualis; ab eo 5seminatam → ab eo seminatam; qui sunt ! erga Salvatorem ipsorum: R siquidem → qui sunt erga Salvatorem ipsorum: siquidem.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.1 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-1).

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2.19.2Harvey 1:292

Post deinde, quod dicant ignorasse Fabricatorem eam qui fuit seminis in eum demissio, et iterum eam que facta est per eum in hominem seminatio, futile verbum et vanum, quod nullo modo ostendi possit. Quemadmodum enim ignoravit illud, si substantiam aliquam et qualitatem propriam habuisset ipsum semen? Si autem sine substantia, et sine qualitate, et nihil erat, consequenter ignoravit illud. Quse enim propriam quandam motionem, et qualitatem, vel caliditatis, vel velocitatis, vel dulcedinis habent, vel claritatis cujusdam differentiam, nec homines quidem lateant, cum sint cum hominibus; in tantum abest ut fabricatorem hujus universitatis Deum: apud quem juste non est agnitum semen ipsorum, cum sit sine qualitate universe utilitatis, et sine substantia omnis actionis, et in totum nihil exsistens. Et propter hoe mihi videtur etiam Dominus dixisse: Omnis sermo otiosus, quem locuti fuerint homines, reddent pro eo rationem in die judicii. Omnes enim quicunque tales sunt otiosos sermones in aures hominum immittentes, assistent in judicio, rationem reddituri de his, que vane conjecerunt, et mentiti sunt adversus Deum, in tantum ut semetipsos dicant propter seminis substantiam agnoscere spiritale Pleroma, eo homine, qui est intus, demonstrante eis verum Patrem: opus enim esse animali sensibilibus erudimentis: Demiurgum autem universum semen hoc, Matre deponente, suscipientem in semetipsum, omnia omnino ignorasse, et nullum sensum eorum quz erga Pleroma sunt, habuisse.

Next, their saying that the Fashioner did not know of the depositing of the seed into him, nor again of the sowing done through him into man, is a futile and empty word that can in no way be shown. For how could he have been ignorant of it if the seed itself had any substance and quality of its own? But if it was without substance and without quality, and was nothing, then of course he did not know it. For things that have some motion and quality of their own, whether of heat, or swiftness, or sweetness, or some difference of brightness, do not escape even human beings, since they are among human beings; much less God, the Fashioner of this universe. With good reason, then, their seed was not known to him, since it is without any quality of usefulness, without the substance for any action, and altogether nothing. And for this reason, it seems to me, the Lord also said: “Every idle word that people speak, they will give account for it on the day of judgment.” For all such as put idle words into people's ears will stand at the judgment to give account for what they have vainly conjectured and lied against God, to the point of saying that they themselves, by the substance of the seed, know the spiritual Pleroma, the inner man showing them the true Father (for the soul-endowed nature, they say, needed training through the senses), while the Demiurge, receiving into himself the whole of this seed as the Mother deposited it, was ignorant of absolutely everything and had no perception of the things that belong to the Pleroma.

Matt 12:36 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The claim that the Demiurge did not notice the seed deposited in him either makes the seed nothing or cannot be shown.

  • The quotation is Matt 12:36.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; footnote number): e£ mentiti → et mentiti; 5opus → opus; lerga → erga.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.2 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-2).

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2.19.3Harvey 1:292

Quoniam si in eum depositum. fuisset. semen, non potuisset ignorare ea, que sunt super eum. Et se quidem spiritales esse, quoniam particula quaedam universitatis Patris in anima ipsorum deposita est, cum ex eadem substantia habeant animas, ex qua et Demiurgus, sicut dicunt, hunc autem semel universum suscipientem semen a Matre, et habentem in se, animalem perseverasse, et nihil in totum sensisse eorum quz sunt superiora, que hi semetipsos intelligere, dum adhuc sunt in terra, gloriantur, quomodo hoc non super omnem irrationabilitatem est? Etenim idipsum semen horum quidem animabus agnitionem attribuisse et perfectionem; ei autem qui eos fecit Deo ignorantiam attribuisse putare, vere vesanorum est, et in totum mente destitutorum.

For if the seed had been deposited in him, he could not have been ignorant of the things that are above him. And they say that they themselves are spiritual, because a particle of the Father of the universe has been deposited in their souls, although they have souls of the same substance as the Demiurge, as they say; but that he, having once received the whole seed from the Mother and having it in himself, remained soul-endowed and perceived nothing at all of the higher things which these people boast that they understand while they are still on earth: how is this not beyond all absurdity? For to think that the very same seed gave knowledge and perfection to their souls but ignorance to the God who made them is truly the mark of madmen, wholly bereft of mind.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: It is absurd that the same seed made the Valentinians spiritual but left the Demiurge who received all of it ignorant.

  • Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Harvey's footnotes leaked into the text; OCR; garbled margin debris where words are lost; margin debris; stray marks): qgnorare → ignorare; Er se quidem → Et se quidem; ex eadem 1 erga, περί. monitionem. We might quite expect substantia → ex eadem substantia; dicunt, GR Th ext 1:11110 hunc autem → dicunt, hunc autem; et xix. gil: habentem → et habentem; sensisse ¢. eorum → sensisse eorum.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.3 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-3).

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2.19.4Harvey 1:292

Adhuc etiam vanissimum est quod dicunt, in hac depositione figurari illud et augescere, et paratum fieri ad susceptionem perfectae rationis. Erit enim ei materiae admixtio, quam ex ignorantia et labe volunt habuisse substantiam, aptior et utilior, quam fuit paternum lumen ipsorum: si quidem secundum illius inspectionem natum, informe et infiguratum fuit: ex hac autem formationem, et speciem, et augmentum, et perfectionem assumpsit. Si enim quod est a Pleromate lumen, causa fuit spiritali, ut neque formam, neque speciem, neque magnitudinem haberet propriam; que autem huc est descensio, hac universa addidit ei, et ad perfectionem deduxit, multo operabilior et utilior videbitur que est hic conversatio quam et tenebras dicunt, quam fuit paternum lumen ipsorum. Quomodo autem non *[est] ridiculum, Matrem quidem ipsorum in materiam periclitatam dicere, uti pene suffocaretur, et paulo minus corrumperetur, nisi vix tunc superextendisset se et exsilisset ex semetipsa, adjumentum percipiens a Patre: semen autem ejus in hac eadem materia augescere, et formari, et aptum ad susceptionem perfecti sermonis expediri: et hoc in dissimilibus, et in insuetis ebulliens, sicut ipsi dicunt, contrarium esse terrenum spiritali, et spiritale terreno? Quomodo igitur in contrariis et in insuetis parvum emissum, quemadmodum dicunt, et augescere, et formari, et ad perfectionem pervenire potuit?

It is also utterly empty when they say that in this deposit the seed is formed and grows and is made ready to receive perfect reason. For there will be in it an admixture of matter, which they hold had its substance from ignorance and the fall, and it will be more apt and useful than their Father's light was: if indeed, born according to the contemplation of that light, it was formless and shapeless, but from this admixture it took formation, appearance, growth, and perfection. For if the light that is from the Pleroma was the cause of the spiritual being's having no form, appearance, or size of its own, while its descent here added all these to it and brought it to perfection, then life here, which they also call darkness, will seem far more effective and useful than their Father's light was. And how is it not ridiculous to say that their Mother was endangered in matter, so that she was almost suffocated and very nearly destroyed, had she not then barely stretched herself out and leapt out of herself, receiving help from the Father; but that her seed grows, is formed, and is made fit to receive perfect reason in this same matter, and that while “bubbling up” among things unlike and unfamiliar to it, since, as they themselves say, the earthly is contrary to the spiritual and the spiritual to the earthly? How, then, could a “little emission,” as they say, grow, be formed, and reach perfection among things contrary and unfamiliar to it?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: If the seed grows and takes form only in matter, matter and this world are more useful than the Father's light, which contradicts their system.

  • Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition. Harvey's chapter title in the middle of the section is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; editor's chapter title; OCR; footnote number; margin debris; running head; stray mark; stray number): Quomodo contraria de Matre et Labe ejus. consilia decreverunt. S1 enim → Si enim; multo? operabilior → multo operabilior; et 5paulo → et paulo; et Sexsilisset → et exsilisset; perfecti " sermonis → perfecti sermonis; terrenum LIB, TI. xxx. spiritali → terrenum spiritali; terreno? | Quomodo → terreno? Quomodo; et in MASS 55.11. insuetis → et in insuetis; potuit? 1. → potuit?.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.4 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-4).

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2.19.5Harvey 1:292

Adhuc etiam et ad haec que dicta sunt requiretur, Utrumne semel enixa sit Mater illorum semen, ut vidit angelos, an particulatim? Sed si quidem simul et semel, quod exinde conceptum, nune jam non erit infantile: superflua est igitur in eos qui nunc sunt, homines descensio ejus. Si autem particulatim, jam non secundum figuram eorum, quos vidit angelos, fecit conceptionem: simul enim eos et semel videns et concipiens, semel enixionem debebat fecisse, quorum de semel conceperat figuras.

Further, in addition to what has been said, one will ask whether their Mother brought forth the seed all at once when she saw the angels, or bit by bit. If all together and at once, what was then conceived will no longer be infantile now, and its descent into the people who now exist is superfluous. But if bit by bit, then she did not make her conception after the form of the angels she saw; for since she saw them and conceived them together and at once, she ought to have brought forth at once the offspring of those whose forms she had conceived at once.

Notes and citation

Summary: Whether the Mother brought forth the seed all at once or bit by bit, the Valentinian account fails.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR): Ápnvc etiam → Adhuc etiam.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.5 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-5).

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2.19.6Harvey 1:292

Quid autem, quod angelos cum Salvatore simul videns, illorum quidem imagines concepit, Salvatoris autem non, qui est decorior super illos? Annumquid non placuit ei hic, et propter hoc non concepit in eum? Quomodo autem Demiurgus quem psychicum vocant, propriam secundum eos magnitudinem et figuram habens, emissus est secundum suam substantiam perfectus; quod autem spiritale est, quod etiam operosius oportet esse quam animale, imperfectum emissum est, et opus ei fuit ut in animam descenderet, ut in ea formaretur, et ita perfectum exsistens, paratum fiat ad suscipiendum perfectum verbum. Si igitur in terrenis hominibus et in animalibus formatur, jam non secundum angelorum similitudinem est, quos dicunt lumina, sed secundum eorum qui sunt hic homines. Non enim angelorum habebit similitudinem et speciem, sed animarum, in quibus et formatur: quomodo aqua in vas missa, ipsius vasis habebit formam, et jam si gelaverit in eo, speciem habebit vasculi, in quo gelavit, quando ipse anims corporis habeant figuram; ipsi enim adaptati sunt vasi, quemadmodum priediximus. Si igitur et illud semen hic coagulatur et formatur, hominis figura erit, sed non angelorum formam habens. Quomodo igitur ad imagines angelorum illud semen est, quod secundum similitudinem hominum figuratur? Quid autem, cum spiritale esset, opus ei fuit ut in carnem descenderet? Caro enim eget spiritali, si tamen incipiet salvari, ut in eo sanctificetur, et clarificetur, et absorbeatur mortale ab immortalitate: spiritali autem in totum non est opus eorum, quz sunt hic. Non enim nos illud, sed illud nos meliores facit.

And why is it that, seeing the angels together with the Savior, she conceived their images but not that of the Savior, who is more beautiful than they? Did he not please her, and is that why she did not conceive after him? And how is it that the Demiurge, whom they call soul-endowed, having according to them his own size and form, was emitted perfect according to his substance, while what is spiritual, which ought to be more effective than what is soul-endowed, was emitted imperfect and needed to descend into a soul in order to be formed in it and so, being perfect, to become ready to receive the perfect word? If, then, it is formed in earthly and soul-endowed human beings, it is no longer after the likeness of the angels, whom they call lights, but after the likeness of the human beings here. For it will have the likeness and appearance not of angels but of the souls in which it is formed: as water poured into a vessel takes the form of the vessel itself, and if it freezes in it, it will have the shape of the vessel in which it froze, since souls themselves have the figure of the body; for they are fitted to the vessel, as we said before. If, then, that seed is solidified and formed here, it will have the figure of a man and not the form of angels. How, then, is that seed after the images of angels, when it is shaped after the likeness of men? And why, since it was spiritual, did it need to descend into flesh? For flesh needs the spiritual, if indeed it is to be saved, so that it may be sanctified and glorified in it, and the mortal may be swallowed up by immortality; but the spiritual has no need at all of things here. For it is not we who make it better, but it that makes us better.

1 Cor 15:54 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 5:4 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: A seed formed in human souls would bear a human shape, not an angelic one, and the spiritual has no need to descend into flesh.

  • “As we said before”: 2.19.6 refers back to the discussion of souls taking the shape of bodies (cf. 2.33.4 for the fuller argument). “The mortal swallowed up by immortality” echoes 1 Cor 15:54 and 2 Cor 5:4. The added “after him” (in eum) follows Harvey's reading from the Voss manuscript, recorded in his note.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Harvey's footnotes, page number and running head leaked into the text; OCR of in; footnote number; margin debris; margin debris and OCR): concepit?;)n eum? → concepit in eum?; hominum 2 In, ex MS. Voss. addidi. Subin3 kal εἴ more. AR. ctiam 6. 320 CARO SPIRITUI ADVERSATUR. LIB. IT. figuratur? → hominum figuratur?; ut in SRL earnem descenderet Caro → ut in carnem descenderet? Caro; MASS. i1. salvari → salvari; mortale 2ab → mortale ab.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.6 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-6).

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2.19.7Harvey 1:292

Adhuc autem manifestius qui est de semine ipsorum sermo, arguitur falsus, et a quolibet perspici potest, in eo quod dicant eas animas qu habuerint a Matre semen, meliores reliquis fieri: quapropter et honoratas a Demiurgo, et principes, et reges, et sacerdotes ordinatas esse. Si enim erat hoc verum, primus utique Caiphas summus sacerdos, et Ánnas, et reliqui summi sacerdotes et legis doctores, et principes populi credidissent Domino, in eam cognationem concurrentes; et ante hoc etiam Herodes rex. Quoniam autem nec hic, nec summi sacerdotes, nec qui praeerant, neque clari de populo accurrerunt ei; sed e contrario qui erant in viis mendici sedentes, surdi, et caeci, et ab reliquis conculcabantur et contemnebantur, quemadmodum et Paulus ait: Videte enim vocationem vestram, fratres, quoniam non multi sapientes apud vos, nec nobiles, neque fortes; sed que fuerunt contemptibilia mundi, elegit Deus. Non itaque erant meliores tales animse propter seminis depositionem neque propter hoc honorificabantur a Demiurgo.

Still more plainly is their talk about the seed shown to be false, as anyone can see, in that they say that the souls which had seed from the Mother become better than the rest, and for that reason were honored by the Demiurge and appointed princes, kings, and priests. For if this were true, the high priest Caiaphas would surely have been first to believe in the Lord, and Annas, and the rest of the high priests, the teachers of the law, and the rulers of the people, running together to their kin; and before that, King Herod too. But since neither he, nor the high priests, nor those in authority, nor the notable among the people ran to him, but on the contrary those who sat begging by the roads, the deaf and the blind, and those trampled on and despised by the rest, just as Paul also says: “For consider your calling, brothers: not many among you are wise, nor noble, nor strong; but God chose what was contemptible in the world”; such souls, then, were not better because of the deposit of seed, nor were they honored by the Demiurge for that reason.

1 Cor 1:26–28 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Those who believed in Christ were the poor and despised, not the priests and kings, so the claim that the seed makes souls rulers is false.

  • The quotation is a free form of 1 Cor 1:26–28.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; footnote number; margin Scripture reference; margin debris): 3et legis → et legis; et au: reliquis → et ab reliquis; quemadmodum et 1Cor.i.26 et Paulus → quemadmodum et Paulus; quoniam 38. 91. non multi → quoniam non multi; 5apud → apud; JSuserunt → fuerunt.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.7 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-7).

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2.19.8Harvey 1:292

Et de eo quidem, quod sit regula ipsorum infirma et instabilis, adhuc etiam et vana, sufficiunt que dicta sunt. Nec enim oportet, quod solet dici, universum ebibere mare eum qui velit discere quoniam aqua ejus salsa est. Sed quemadmodum statua de luto facta, colorata autem superficie, ut putetur aurea esse qux sit lutea, quicunque accipiet ex ea particulam qualemcumque, et exaperiens ostenderit lutum, liberabit eos qui veritatem quaerunt a falsa opinione: eodem modo et nos non modicam partem, sed ea quie sunt maxima continentia regule ipsorum resolventes capitula, omnibus quotquot non seduci scientes volunt, quod est nequam, et dolosum, et seductorium, et perniciosum, de schola eorum qui sunt a Valentino, et a reliquis hereticorum, quotquot Demiurgum, id est, fabricatorem et factorem hujus universitatis, solum exsistentem Deum male tractant, ostendimus, dissolubilem eorum viam manifestantes.

As to their rule being weak and untenable, and empty besides, what has been said is enough. For, as the saying goes, one who wants to learn that the sea's water is salt need not drink up the whole sea. But just as with a statue made of clay and colored on the surface so as to be thought gold when it is clay, whoever takes any small piece from it and, opening it, shows the clay, will free those who seek the truth from a false opinion; so we too, refuting not a small part but the chief heads that hold their rule together, have shown to all who do not wish to be knowingly led astray what is wicked, deceitful, seductive, and ruinous in the school of the Valentinians and of the rest of the heretics who speak evil of the Demiurge, that is, the Fashioner and Maker of this universe, who alone is God, making plain how easily their way is overthrown.

Notes and citation

Summary: Having exposed the main heads of the Valentinian system, Irenaeus considers its falsity shown, as one need not drink the sea to know it is salt.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (footnote number): statua 6.1 de luto → statua de luto; et 7 exaperiens → et exaperiens.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.8 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-8).

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2.19.9Harvey 1:292

Quis enim sensum habens, et veritatis vel modicum attingens, sustinebit dicentes, super Demiurgum Deum esse alterum Patrem: et alterum quidem esse Monogenem, alterum autem Verbum Dei, quem et in deminoratione emissum dicunt: alterum autem Christum, quem et posteriorem reliquis /ZEonibus cum Spiritu sancto factum esse dicunt: et alterum Salvatorem, quem ne a Patre quidem universorum, sed ab his qui in deminoratione facti sunt /Eonibus collatum et congestum dicunt, et necessarie propter deminorationem emissum? ut nisi in ignorantia et deminutione fuissent Aeones, secundum eos nec Christus emissus fuisset, nec Spiritus sanctus, nec Horos, nec Soter, nec Angeli, nec Mater ipsorum, nec semen ejus, nec reliqua mundi fabricatio; sed fuissent omnia deserta ac destituta tot bonis. Non solum itaque in fabricatorem tantum irreligiosi sunt, labis eum dicentes fructum; sed et in Christum, et in Spiritum sanctum, propter labem dicentes eos emissos; et Salvatorem autem similiter post labem. Quis enim sustinebit reliquum eorum vaniloquium, quod astute parabolis adaptare conantes, et se, et eos qui sibi credunt, in maximam converterunt impietatem?

For who that has sense and touches even a little of the truth will bear with those who say that above the Demiurge there is another God, a Father; and that Monogenes is one, and the Word of God another, whom they also say was emitted in a state of diminution; and Christ another, whom they say was made later than the rest of the Aeons together with the Holy Spirit; and the Savior another, whom they say was not from the Father of all but was gathered and heaped together by the Aeons who came to be in diminution, and was emitted of necessity because of the diminution? So that, according to them, had the Aeons not been in ignorance and diminution, neither Christ would have been emitted, nor the Holy Spirit, nor Horos, nor the Savior, nor the angels, nor their Mother, nor her seed, nor the rest of the fashioning of the world; but everything would have been deserted and destitute of so many good things. So they are irreligious not only toward the Fashioner, calling him the fruit of a fall, but also toward Christ and the Holy Spirit, saying that they were emitted because of a fall, and likewise the Savior after the fall. For who will bear the rest of their empty talk, which they cunningly try to fit to the parables, and have turned both themselves and those who believe them to the greatest impiety?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: The Valentinians make Christ, the Spirit, and the Savior products of a fall, which is impiety toward all of them.

  • Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR): fuissent Jones → fuissent Aeones.

Topics: Heresy, Christology

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.19.9 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-19-9).

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Against 2, chapter 20

2.20.1Harvey 1:292

Quoniam et parabolas, et actus Domini improprie et inconsequenter inferunt figmento suo, ita ostendimus: Illam enim, quam erga duodecimum ZEonem dicunt accidisse passionem, conantur ostendere, quod Salvatoris passio a duodecimo Apostolorum facta sit, et in duodecimo mense. Uno enim anno volunt eum post baptismum praedicasse. Sed et in illa quz profluvium sanguinis patiebatur, manifeste dicunt ostensum: duodecim enim annis passa est mulier, et tangens fimbriam Salvatoris, consecuta est sanitatem ab illa virtute, quae egressa est a Salvatore, quam preesse dicunt. Illa enim qus passa est virtus extensa et in immensum effluens, ita ut periclitaretur per omnem substantiam dissolvi, cum tetigisset primam quaternationem, quze per fimbriam - significatur, stetit, et a passione cessavit.

That they bring the parables and the acts of the Lord into their fiction improperly and inconsistently, we show as follows. They try to show that the passion which they say befell the twelfth Aeon is indicated by the fact that the Savior's passion was brought about by the twelfth of the apostles, and happened in the twelfth month; for they hold that he preached for one year after his baptism. And they say that it was plainly shown in the woman who suffered from a flow of blood; for the woman suffered for twelve years, and by touching the fringe of the Savior's garment she obtained healing from that power which went out from the Savior, and which they say existed before. For that power which suffered, stretched out and flowing into immensity so that it was in danger of being dissolved into the whole substance, stopped and ceased from its passion when it touched the first Tetrad, which is signified by the fringe.

Mark 5:25–34 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 8:43–48 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Valentinians read the twelfth Aeon's passion into Judas, the twelfth month, and the woman with the flow of blood.

  • Harvey's chapter title at the start of the section is removed. The woman with the flow of blood: Mark 5:25–34; Luke 8:43–48.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Harvey's footnote and running head leaked into the text; OCR of quae; editor's chapter title; OCR; margin debris; margin debris and OCR; stray marks): Quoniam. exsolutionem Parabolarum impropriam et inconvenientem fictionis sua faciunt. QvoxiAM → Quoniam; Apostolorum 1 Maxima] Mihi dubium non est, — simus Interpres reddidit, maxime conquin pro maxima, substituendum sit, — tinentia: ego, precipua ac maximi maxime. Nam quod in Greco erat — ponderis. Sic enim clarior est. sensus. LIB. facta sit → Apostolorum facta sit; volunt xxxi. e. e ° GR. 1. eum → volunt eum; MASSIL ganguinis → sanguinis; virtute, 416 egressa → virtute, quae egressa; quam ¢$ preesse → quam preesse.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.20.1 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-20-1).

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2.20.2Harvey 1:292

Hoc ergo quod dicunt duodecimi /Eonis passionem per Judam demonstrari, quomodo potest in similitudinem comparari Judas, qui ejectus est de numero duodecimo, nec restitutus est in locum suum? Aeon enim, cujus typum Judam dicunt esse, separata ejus Enthymesi, restituta est sive revocata: Judas autem abdicatus est, et ejectus, et in locum ejus Matthias ordinatus est, secundum quod scriptum est: Episcopatum ejus accipiat alius. Debuerunt itaque dicere, duodecimum ZEonem ejectum esse de Pleromate, et in locum ejus alium prolatum sive emissum; si tamen in Juda ostenditur. Adhuc autem ipse quidem ZEon quod sit passus dicunt, Judas autem quod sit proditor. Patiens autem Christus venit ad passionem, et non Judas, et ipsi confitentur. Quomodo igitur Judas traditor ejus, qui pro nostra salute pati habuit, typus et imago esse poterat passi /Eonis?

As for their saying that the passion of the twelfth Aeon is shown through Judas, how can Judas be compared to it as its likeness, since he was cast out of the number of the twelve and was not restored to his place? For the Aeon, whose type they say Judas is, was restored or recalled once her Enthymesis was separated; but Judas was deposed and cast out, and Matthias was appointed in his place, according to what is written: “Let another take his office of oversight.” They ought therefore to say that the twelfth Aeon was cast out of the Pleroma and another brought forth or emitted in her place, if indeed she is shown in Judas. Further, they say that the Aeon herself suffered, but Judas was the betrayer; and they themselves confess that it was the suffering Christ who came to the passion, not Judas. How, then, could Judas, the betrayer of him who was to suffer for our salvation, be the type and image of the Aeon who suffered?

Acts 1:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 109:8 (108:8 LXX) (quotation, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Judas, cast out and replaced, cannot be a type of an Aeon who was restored, nor the betrayer a type of one who suffered.

  • The quotation is Acts 1:20, citing Ps 109:8 (108:8 LXX); episcopatus is rendered “office of oversight”.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR of Aeon; margin Scripture reference and debris; stray letters and footnote number): restitutus est in locum suum? on enim → restitutus est in locum suum? Aeon enim; scriptum est: Act. 20,ex E! episcopatum → scriptum est: Episcopatum; imago ww esse 5poterat → imago esse poterat.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.20.2 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-20-2).

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2.20.3Harvey 1:292

Sed neque Christi passio similis est passioni JEonis, neque in similibus facta. /Eon enim passus est passionem dissolutionis et perditionis, ita ut periclitaretur ipse qui patiebatur et corrumpi: Dominus autem noster Christus passus est passionem validam, et que non accederet; non solum ipse non periclitatus corrumpi, sed et corruptum hominem firmavit robore suo, et in incorruptionem revocavit. Et /Eon quidem passus est passionem, ipse requirens Patrem, et non praevalens invenire: Dominus autem passus est, ut eos qui erraverunt a Patre, ad agnitionem, et juxta eum adduceret. Et ili quidem inquisitio magnitudinis Patris fiebat passio perditionis: nobis autem Dominus passus, agnitionem Patris conferens, salutem donavit. Et illius quidem passio fructificavit fructum foemineum, sicut dicunt, invalidum, et infirmum, et informem, et inefficacem: istius autem passio fructificavit fortitudinem et virtutem. Ascendens enim in altitudinem Dominus per passionem, captivam duxit captivitatem, dedit dona hominibus, et contulit credentibus in se super serpentes et scorpiones calcare, et super omnem virtutem inimici, id est, principis apostasie. Et Dominus quidem per passionem mortem destruxit; et solvit errorem, corruptionemque exterminavit, et ignorantiam destruxit; vitam autem manifestavit, et ostendit veritatem, et incorruptionem donavit. Illorum autem /Eon cum fuisset perpessus, ignorantiam substituit, substantiam informem peperit, ex qua omnia materialia opera prolata sunt secundum eos, mors, corruptio, error, et his similia.

But neither is Christ's passion like the Aeon's passion, nor did it happen in like circumstances. For the Aeon suffered a passion of dissolution and destruction, so that the one who suffered was herself in danger of being destroyed; but our Lord Christ suffered a strong passion, one that did not give way: not only was he himself not in danger of being destroyed, but he also strengthened corrupted man by his own power and called him back to incorruption. And the Aeon suffered her passion while seeking the Father and not being able to find him; but the Lord suffered in order to bring those who had wandered from the Father back to knowledge and close to him. For her, the search into the greatness of the Father became a passion of destruction; but the Lord, having suffered for us, gave us salvation by bestowing the knowledge of the Father. Her passion bore a female fruit, as they say, weak, infirm, formless, and ineffective; but his passion bore strength and power. For the Lord through his passion, “ascending on high, led captivity captive, gave gifts to men,” and granted those who believe in him “to tread on serpents and scorpions and on all the power” of the enemy, that is, of the prince of apostasy. And the Lord by his passion destroyed death, dissolved error, abolished corruption, and destroyed ignorance; but he manifested life, showed the truth, and gave incorruption. But their Aeon, when she had suffered, set up ignorance and gave birth to a formless substance, from which, according to them, all material works were brought forth: death, corruption, error and the like.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Eph 4:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 68:18 (67:19 LXX) (quotation, medium confidence) · Luke 10:19 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ's saving passion is the opposite of the Aeon's ruinous passion: it gave life, truth, and incorruption.

  • The quotations are Eph 4:8 (from Ps 68:18; 67:19 LXX) and Luke 10:19. Validam et quae non accederet is uncertain; it is rendered “strong, one that did not give way” (some take it as “real, not accidental”). Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR and stray mark; margin Scripture reference; margin debris; running head; stray mark): periclitatus LIB. IT. corrumpi → periclitatus corrumpi; et in GE 11 incorruptionem → et in incorruptionem; passionem M48, ipse → passionem, ipse; Dominus autem ^ passus → Dominus autem passus; virtutem. — Ascendens → virtutem. Ascendens; altitudinem Ps lxvi 19. Dominus → altitudinem Dominus; duzit → duxit; virtulem (inimici → virtutem inimici; Bolvit → solvit.

Topics: Heresy, Christology

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.20.3 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-20-3).

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2.20.4Harvey 1:292

Non ergo Judas duodecimus discipulus typus erat passi Eonis; sed neque Domini nostri passio: per omnia enim dissimile et inconveniens invicem sibi ostensum est, non solum in his quz praediximus, sed secundum ipsum numerum. Proditor enim Judas, quod sit duodecimus apud omnes consonat duodecim denominatis Apostolis in Evangelio; hic autem /Eon non duodecimus, sed tricesimus est: non enim duodecim tantum /Eones voluntate Patris prolati sunt secundum haec, neque duodecimus ordine emissus est, in tricesimo loco annumerantes eum emissum. Quomodo ergo duodecimus ordine Judas, ejus qui in tricesimo ordine est 7Eon, potest esse typus et imago?

Judas, then, the twelfth disciple, was not a type of the suffering Aeon, nor was our Lord's passion; for they have been shown to be in every way unlike and unsuited to each other, not only in what we have said but in the very number. That the traitor Judas is the twelfth is agreed by all, since twelve apostles are named in the Gospel; but this Aeon is not the twelfth but the thirtieth. For according to these people not only twelve Aeons were brought forth by the Father's will, nor was she emitted twelfth in order; they count her as emitted in the thirtieth place. How, then, can Judas, twelfth in order, be the type and image of the Aeon who is in the thirtieth order?

Notes and citation

Summary: Judas was the twelfth apostle, but the suffering Aeon is the thirtieth, so the type fails even in number.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.20.4 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-20-4).

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2.20.5Harvey 1:292

Si autem Judam pereuntem imaginem Enthymeseos ejus esse dicunt; nec sic imago similis erit ejus quze secundum eum est veritatis. Enthymesis enim separata ab 7Eone ipsa postea formata a Christo, dehinc prudens facta a Salvatore, et omnia que sunt extra Pleroma operata secundum imaginem eorum, qui sunt in Pleromate, in novissimo in Pleroma recepta dicitur ab his, et secundum conjugationes unita Salvatori ei qui ex omnibus factus est. Judas autem semel ejectus nunquam revertitur in discipulorum numerum: alioquin nunquam alius in locum ejus annumeraretur. Et Dominus autem dixit de eo: Va homini per quem Filius homints tradetur. Et, Melius erat ei si non natus fuisset: et filius perditionis dictus est ab eo. Si autem non separate ab Aeone Enthymeseos dicunt Judam esse typum, sed perplexae ei passionis, nec sic numerus duodecim numero trium possunt esse typus. Hic enim Judas ejectus est, et Matthias pro eo ordinatus: illic autem 7Eon periclitatus dissolvi et perisse dicitur, et Enthymesis et passio; separatim enim Enthymesin quoque a passione secernunt: et faciunt /Eonem quidem restitui, Enthymesin autem formari, passionem vero ab his separatam esse materiam. Tribus itaque exsistentibus his, Aone, et Enthymesi, et passione, Judas et Matthias duo exsistentes, non possunt typus esse.

But if they say that Judas in perishing is the image of her Enthymesis, not even so will the image be like the truth that corresponds to it. For the Enthymesis, separated from the Aeon, was afterwards formed by Christ, then made wise by the Savior, and having made all things outside the Pleroma after the image of those who are in the Pleroma, is said at last to have been received into the Pleroma by them and, according to the pairings, united to the Savior who was made from all. But Judas, once cast out, never returns to the number of the disciples; otherwise another would never have been counted in his place. And the Lord said of him: “Woe to the man by whom the Son of Man will be betrayed,” and, “It would have been better for him if he had not been born”; and he was called by him the son of perdition. But if they say that Judas is a type not of the Enthymesis separated from the Aeon but of the passion entwined with her, not even so can the number twelve be a type of the number three. For here Judas was cast out and Matthias appointed in his place; there the Aeon is said to have been in danger of dissolution and destruction, and also the Enthymesis and the passion, for they distinguish the Enthymesis from the passion as well; and they make the Aeon restored, the Enthymesis formed, and the passion, separated from these, matter. So since these are three, the Aeon, the Enthymesis, and the passion, Judas and Matthias, being two, cannot be their type.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Matt 26:24 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:12 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Judas cannot typify the Enthymesis, which was restored, nor can two men typify the three Valentinian entities.

  • Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition. The quotations are Matt 26:24; “son of perdition” is John 17:12.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Harvey's footnote leaked into the text where words are lost; OCR): secundum imaginem eoacce lerct, indicating accideret; the Greek 866 p. 39, n. 5. eorum, qui sunt in Pleromate, in novissimo in Pleroma recepta dicitur ab his → secundum imaginem eorum, qui sunt in Pleromate, in novissimo in Pleroma recepta dicitur ab his; erat et δὲ non natus fuiset → erat ei si non natus fuisset; ab Kone → ab Aeone; Becernunt → secernunt.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.20.5 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-20-5).

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Against 2, chapter 21

2.21.1Harvey 1:292

Si autem duodecim Apostolos dicunt typum esse illius solius duodecim /Eonum prolationis, quam Homo cum Ecclesia protulit; et reliquorum decem ZEonum, qui, ut dicunt, a Verbo et Vita prolati sunt, dent typum alios decem Apostolos. Irrationabile est enim juniores quidem /Eones, et propter hoc minores, ostendi a Salvatore per electionem Apostolorum; seniores autem horum, et ob hoc meliores, non jam praeostendi: cum possit Salvator (si tamen Apostolos ideo elegit, ut per eos ostendat /Eonas, qui sunt in Pleromate) et alios decem Apostolos eligere, et ante hos quoque alios octo, ut illam principalem et primam ostendat Ogdoadem, per Apostolorum numerum typum factum possit ostendere … neque secunda decade: post enim duodecim Apostolos lxx alios Dominus noster ante se misisse invenitur; septuaginta autem nec octonario numero, neque denario, nec tricenario typus esse possunt. Quz igitur causa est, minores quidem, sicut praedixi, Atones per Apostolos ostendi; meliores autem, ex quibus et hi facti sunt, non jam praefigurari? Et duodecim autem Apostoli, propter hoc electi sunt, ut per eos numerus duodecim ZEonum significetur; et septuaginta in typum ZEonum septuaginta electi esse debuerunt: non jam triginta numero /Eonas, sed octoginta et duos factos dicant. Qui enim secundum typum eorum qui in Pleromate sunt ZEonum electionem facit Apostolorum, nunquam aliorum quidem faceret, aliorum vero non faceret; sed per omnes Apostolos tentasset servare imaginem, et ostendere typum eorum qui sunt in Pleromate 7Eonum.

But if they say that the twelve apostles are a type only of that emission of twelve Aeons which Anthropos brought forth with Ecclesia, then let them produce ten other apostles as a type of the remaining ten Aeons, who, as they say, were brought forth by Logos and Zoe. For it is unreasonable that the younger Aeons, and therefore the lesser, should be shown by the Savior through the election of the apostles, while their elders, and therefore the better, were not shown in advance; since the Savior (if indeed he chose the apostles in order to show through them the Aeons in the Pleroma) could have chosen ten other apostles, and before these eight others, to show that original and first Ogdoad … nor the second Decad: for after the twelve apostles our Lord is found to have sent seventy others ahead of him; and seventy can be a type neither of the number eight, nor ten, nor thirty. What is the reason, then, that the lesser Aeons, as I said before, are shown through the apostles, while the better, from whom these too were made, are not prefigured? And if the twelve apostles were chosen so that the number of the twelve Aeons might be signified through them, the seventy also ought to have been chosen as a type of seventy Aeons; and then let them say that the Aeons are not thirty in number but eighty-two. For one who makes the choice of apostles after the type of the Aeons in the Pleroma would never do so for some and not for others, but would have tried to keep the image through all the apostles and to show the type of the Aeons in the Pleroma.

Luke 10:1 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: If the twelve apostles typify twelve Aeons, the higher Aeons go unrepresented, and the seventy would add seventy more Aeons.

  • The sentence about the second Decad is garbled in the digital text and partly lost; it is translated by sense. The seventy: Luke 10:1.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR of the numeral; garbled debris where words are lost): possit ostendere, x» neque → possit ostendere … neque; Apostolos rxx alios → Apostolos lxx alios.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.21.1 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-21-1).

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2.21.2Harvey 1:292

Sed neque de Paulo quidem tacendum est, sed exigendum ab his, in cujus 7Eonis typum Apostolus nobis traditus est: nisi forte in Salvatoris compositi eorum, qui et ex omnium collatione subsistit, quem et Omnia nuncupant, eo quod sit ex omnibus: de quo et Hesiodus poéta splendide significavit, Pandoram, id est Omnium munus, nominans eum, ob hoc quod ex omnibus optimum munus in eo sit collocatum. In quibus ratio haec est: Hermes (sicut Greco sermone exprimitur) AipvA(ovs re λόγους xal ἐπίmus): Fraudulentia, sive seductionis verba, et subinvolantes mores indidit eorum sensibus, ad seducendum stultos hominum, ut credant figmentis eorum. Mater enim, hoc est Leto, occulte commovit eos, (unde et Leto nuncupata est secundum Greci sermonis significantiam, eo quod occulte homines commoveret,) nesciente Demiurgo, enuntiare profunda et inenarrabilia mysteria prurientibus aures. Et non solum per Hesiodum hoc operata est Mater eorum mysterium dici, sed et Pindari Lyrici sapienter valde, ut celet Demiurgum in Pelope, cujus caro in partes a Patre divisa est, et ab omnibus diis collecta, et allata, et compacta, Pandoram hoc modo significavit: ex qua et isti compuncti eadem secundum eos dicentes, ejusdem generis et spiritus sunt cum illis.

Nor should we keep silent about Paul, but demand of them after the type of which Aeon this apostle was handed down to us; unless perhaps of their composite Savior, who subsists from the contributions of all and whom they also call All Things, because he is from all. Of him the poet Hesiod too gave a splendid sign, naming him Pandora, that is, “gift of all,” because the best gift from all was placed in him. Among these the account runs: Hermes (as it is expressed in Greek) “put wily words and a thievish character” in their minds, to lead foolish men astray so that they believe their fictions. For their Mother, that is, Leto, secretly stirred them up (and from this she was called Leto, according to the meaning of the Greek word, because she secretly stirred people up), without the Demiurge's knowledge, to proclaim deep and unspeakable mysteries to itching ears. And their Mother brought it about that this mystery was told not only by Hesiod but also, very wisely, by the lyric poet Pindar, so as to hide it from the Demiurge, in the story of Pelops, whose flesh was divided in pieces by his father and collected, brought together, and joined again by all the gods: in this way she signified Pandora. And these people, stung by her, saying the same things as those poets according to their own account, are of the same family and spirit as they.

2 Tim 4:3 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Irenaeus mocks the Valentinians' composite Savior by comparing him with Hesiod's Pandora and Pindar's Pelops.

  • The passage is ironic. The Greek words are Hesiod, Works and Days 78 (Hermes giving Pandora “wily words and a thievish character”), garbled in the digital text and translated from Hesiod's wording; Pandora, Works and Days 80–82. Leto is derived from λανθάνω (“escape notice”). Pelops: Pindar, Olympian 1. “Itching ears”: 2 Tim 4:3. Harvey's bracketed correction celet Demiurgum (“to hide from the Demiurge”) is followed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (footnote number; footnote number; Harvey's bracketed correction applied; stray mark): Hermes 2(sicut → Hermes (sicut; mysteria'prurientibus → mysteria prurientibus; ut 5 caelet Demiurgo [leg. celet Demiurgum] → ut celet Demiurgum.

Extrabiblical texts: Hesiod, Op. 78-82 (Hesiod, Works and Days; quotation); Pindar, Ol. 1 (Pindar (odes and fragments); allusion)

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.21.2 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-21-2).

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Against 2, chapter 22

2.22.1Harvey 1:292

Quia autem et tricenarius numerus eorum omnis excidit secundum eos, aliquando quidem paucis, aliquando autem plurimis /Eonibus statim in Pleromate inventis, ostendimus. Non ergo triginta ZEones sunt, nec ob hoe Salvator triginta annorum exsistens venit ad baptismum, ut ostenderet tacitos /Eones eorum triginta: alioquin ipsum primum erunt discernentes et ejicientes de Pleromate omnium. Duodecimo autem mense dicunt eum passum, ut sit anno uno post baptismum praedicans, et ex propheta tentant hoc ipsum confirmare (scriptum est enim: Vocare annum Domini acceptum, et diem retributionis) vere caecutientes, qui profunda Bythi adinvenisse se dicunt, et non intelligentes ab Esaia dictum annum Domini acceptabilem, nec diem retributionis. Neque enim de die, quae duodecim horarum habet spatium, dictum est in propheta; nec de anno duodecim mensium habente mensuram. Quia enim prophet: in parabolis et allegoriis, et non secundum sonum ipsarum dictionum plurima dixerunt, et ipsi confitentur.

We have shown that their whole number thirty collapses according to their own account, since sometimes too few and sometimes too many Aeons are at once found in the Pleroma. There are not, then, thirty Aeons, nor did the Savior come to baptism at thirty years of age in order to show their thirty silent Aeons; otherwise they will be the first to separate him and cast him out of the Pleroma of all. And they say that he suffered in the twelfth month, so that he preached for one year after his baptism, and they try to confirm this very point from the prophet (for it is written: “To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of retribution”): truly blind, though they say they have found the depths of Bythus, not understanding what Isaiah calls the acceptable year of the Lord, or the day of retribution. For the prophet was not speaking of a day that has the space of twelve hours, nor of a year that has the measure of twelve months. For they themselves confess that the prophets said very many things in parables and allegories, and not according to the sound of the words themselves.

Isa 61:2 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Valentinians wrongly take Isaiah's “acceptable year of the Lord” to mean that Christ preached for only one year.

  • The quotation is Isa 61:2.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; footnote number): 5statim → statim; cxcutientes → caecutientes.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.22.1 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-22-1).

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2.22.2Harvey 1:292

Dies ergo retributionis dictus est, in quo retribuet Dominus unicuique secundum opera sua, hoc est, Judicium. Annus autem Domini acceptabilis, tempus hoc, in quo vocantur ab eo hi qui credunt ei, et acceptabiles fiunt Deo: hoc est, omne ab adventu ejus tempus usque ad consummationem, in quo, ut fructus, eos qui salvantur acquirit. Sequitur enim secundum dictionem prophetae annum dies retributionis, et erit mentitus propheta, si anno tantummodo Dominus predicavit, et de eo dicit. Ubi est enim dies retributionis? transivit enim annus, et nondum dies retributionis est; sed adhuc solem suum oriri facit super bonos et malos, et pluit super justos et injustos. Et persecutionem quidem patiuntur justi, et affliguntur, et occiduntur; in abundantia autem sunt peccatores, et cum cithara et psalterio bibunt, opera autem Domini non intendunt. Debent autem secundum dictionem copulari, et sequens esse anno dies retributionis. Dictum est enim, vocare annum Domini acceptum, et diem retributionis. Bene itaque intelligitur tempus hoc in quo vocantur et salvantur a Domino, annus Domini acceptus: quem subsequitur dies retributionis, id est, judicium. Et non solum autem annus tempus hoc dicitur; sed et dies nominatur, et à propheta, et a Paulo: in quibus et Apostolus memor scripture, in epistola quie est ad Romanos ait: Sicut scriptum est, Propter te morte afficimur tota die, cstimati sumus ut oves occisionis. Nunc autem tota die pro omni hoc tempore dictum est, in quo persecutionem patimur, et ut oves oceidimur. Sicut ergo dies hzec non illam quze in x11 horis substitit, significat, sed omne tempus in quo patiuntur et interficiuntur propter Ohristum credentes ei; ita et illic annus, non qui est ex duodecim mensibus dicitur, sed omne fidei tempus, in quo audientes praedicationem credunt homines, et acceptabiles Domino fiunt, qui se ei copulant.

The day of retribution, then, is the day on which the Lord will repay each according to his works, that is, the judgment. And the acceptable year of the Lord is this present time, in which those who believe him are called by him and become acceptable to God: that is, the whole time from his coming to the consummation, in which he gains as fruit those who are saved. For according to the prophet's wording the day of retribution follows the year; and the prophet will have lied if the Lord preached for only a year and the prophet speaks of that. For where is the day of retribution? The year has passed, and the day of retribution is not yet; but he still makes his sun rise on the good and the evil, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. And the just suffer persecution, are afflicted and killed, while sinners live in abundance and drink with harp and psaltery but do not regard the works of the Lord. According to the wording, the two ought to be joined, and the day of retribution ought to follow the year; for it says, “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of retribution.” So this time in which people are called and saved by the Lord is rightly understood as the acceptable year of the Lord, and after it follows the day of retribution, that is, the judgment. And this time is called not only a year but also a day, both by the prophet and by Paul; and the apostle, mindful of the Scripture, says in the Epistle to the Romans: “As it is written, For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep for the slaughter.” Here “all the day long” is said of this whole time in which we suffer persecution and are killed like sheep. So just as this day does not mean one that lasts twelve hours but the whole time in which those who believe in Christ suffer and are killed for him, so there too the year is not said of one of twelve months but of the whole time of faith, in which people hear the preaching and believe, and those who join themselves to him become acceptable to the Lord.

Matt 16:27 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 5:45 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 5:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 61:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:36 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 44:22 (43:23 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The acceptable year is the whole time from Christ's coming to the end, and the day of retribution is the judgment that follows.

  • The quotations are Matt 5:45; Isa 5:12; Isa 61:2; Rom 8:36 (citing Ps 44:22; 43:23 LXX).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; stray mark): in quo, ! ut fructus → in quo, ut fructus; ori facit → oriri facit; ota die pro → tota die pro.

Topics: Eschatology, Persecution

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.22.2 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-22-2).

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2.22.3Harvey 1:292

Est autem valde admirari, quonam modo profunda Dei adinvenisse se dicentes, non scrutati sunt in Evangeliis, quoties secundum tempus Pasch:e Dominus post baptisma ascenderit in Hierusalem, secundum quod moris erat Judaeis ex omni regione, omni anno, tempore hoc convenire in Hierusalem, et illic diem festum Paschae celebrare. Et primum quidem ut fecit vinum ex aqua in Cana Galilz:ze, ascendit in diem festum Paschae; quando et scriptum est: Quia multi crediderunt in eum, videntes signa que faciebat, sicut Johannes Domini discipulus meminit. Dehinc iterum subtrahens se invenitur in Samaria, quando et cum Samaritana disputabat; et filium centurionis absens verbo curavit, dicens: Vade, filius tuus vivit. Et post haec iterum secunda vice ascendit in diem festum Paschae in Hierusalem, quando paralyticum, qui juxta natatoriam jacebat xxxvirr annos, curavit jubens ut surgeret et auferret grabbatum suum, et iret: et inde secedens trans mare Tiberiadis, ubi et cum multa turba fuisset secuta, de quinque panibus satiavit omnem illam multitudinem, et superaverunt duodecim cophini fragmentorum. Et inde cum Lazarum suscitasset ex mortuis, et insidiae fierent a Pharisaeis, secedit in Ephrem civitatem: et inde ante sex dies Paschae veniens in Bethaniam scribitur, et de Bethania ascendens in Hierosolymam, et manducans pascha, et sequenti die passus. Quoniam autem tria hrec Pasche tempora non sunt unus annus, quilibet confitebitur. Et ipsum autem mensem in quo Pascha celebratur, in quo et passus est Dominus, non duodecimum, sed primum esse, qui omnia se scire jactant, si nesciunt, a se possunt discere. Falsa ergo ostensa est et anni et duodecimi mensis absolutio eorum, et debent aut absolutionem suam, Evangelium reprobare: alioquin quomodo uno anno tantum Dominus praedicavit?

It is very much to be wondered at how those who say they have found the depths of God have not searched in the Gospels how many times after his baptism the Lord went up to Jerusalem at the time of the Passover, as was the custom of the Jews from every region every year, to gather in Jerusalem at this time and celebrate the feast of the Passover there. First, when he had made wine from water at Cana of Galilee, he went up to the feast day of the Passover, when it is also written, “Many believed in him, seeing the signs that he did,” as John the Lord's disciple records. Then, withdrawing again, he is found in Samaria, when he also conversed with the Samaritan woman, and from a distance he healed the centurion's son by a word, saying, “Go, your son lives.” And after these things, a second time he went up to the feast of the Passover in Jerusalem, when he healed the paralytic who lay by the pool for thirty-eight years, commanding him to rise, take up his pallet, and go. And withdrawing from there across the sea of Tiberias, where a great crowd had also followed him, he satisfied that whole multitude with five loaves, and twelve baskets of fragments were left over. Then, when he had raised Lazarus from the dead and the Pharisees were plotting against him, he withdrew to the city of Ephraim; and from there, it is written, he came to Bethany six days before the Passover, and going up from Bethany to Jerusalem he ate the Passover and suffered on the following day. That these three Passover seasons are not one year anyone will confess. And that the very month in which the Passover is celebrated, in which the Lord also suffered, is not the twelfth but the first, those who boast that they know all things can learn [from Moses], if they do not know it. Their explanation of both the year and the twelfth month has been shown to be false, then, and they must reject either their explanation or the Gospel: otherwise, how did the Lord preach for only one year?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

John 2:1–11 (allusion, high confidence) · John 2:23 (quotation, high confidence) · John 4:7–26 (allusion, high confidence) · John 4:50 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:1–9 (allusion, high confidence) · John 6:1–13 (allusion, high confidence) · John 11:54 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 12:2 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: John's Gospel records three Passovers in Christ's ministry, so he did not preach for only one year.

  • Harvey's chapter title at the start of the section is removed. The left edge of several lines is damaged in the digital text; the words in brackets are supplied from the sense. Words lost in the scan after “a second time” are supplied from Stieren's edition. At “from Moses” the digital text reads a se (“from themselves”), probably damaged. References: John 2:1–11, 23; 4:7–26, 46–53; 5:1–9; 6:1–13; 11:43–54; 12:1; Exod 12:2 (the Passover month is the first).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (damaged word; editor's chapter title; OCR; line end damaged in the OCR; line start damaged in the OCR; margin debris; margin reference and damaged word; running head inside a word; split word; stray number): Ostensio quod uno anno non praconaverit Dominus post baptismum; sed omnem habuisse tatem. Esr autem → Est autem; Sama ritana → Samaritana; curaLIB. IL jubens → curavit jubens; et GR II. m inde → et inde; turba 4438. 11. fuisset → turba fuisset; τος τ ες itudinem → multitudinem; fragmentorum. '^* de cum → fragmentorum. Et inde cum; a iseeis → a Pharisaeis; sex dies Joh. xk δὲ. hae veniens → sex dies Paschae veniens; ascendens ὁ lierosolymam → ascendens in Hierosolymam; passus. uam autem → passus. Quoniam autem; unus annus, 8 quilibet → unus annus, quilibet; in quo ha celebratur → in quo Pascha celebratur; non duodeci. sed → non duodecimum, sed; et duoni mensis → et duodecimi mensis; inus praedicavit → Dominus praedicavit.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.22.3 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-22-3).

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2.22.4Harvey 1:292

Triginta quidem annorum exsistens cum veniret ad baptismum, deinde magistri aetatem perfectam habens, venit Hierusalem, ita ut ab omnibus juste audiretur magister: non enim aliud videbatur et aliud erat, sicut inquiunt qui putativum introdueunt; sed quod erat, hoc et videbatur. Magister ergo exsistens magistri quoque habebat statem, non reprobans nec supergrediens hominem, neque solvens suam legem in se humani generis, sed omnem aetatem sanctificans per illam quz ad ipsum erat similitudinem. Omnes enim venit per semetipsum salvare: omnes inquam, qui per eum renascuntur in Deum, infantes, et parvulos, et pueros, et juvenes, et seniores. Ideo per omnem venit aetatem, et infantibus infans factus, sanctificans infantes: in parvulis parvulus, sanctificans hanc ipsam habentes aetatem, simul et exemplum illis pietatis effectus, et justitiae, et subjectionis: in juvenibus juvenis, exemplum juvenibus fiens, et sanctificans Domino. Sic et senior in senioribus, ut sit perfectus magister in omnibus, non solum secundum expositionem veritatis, sed et secundum etatem, sanctificans simul et seniores, exemplum ipsis quoque fiens: deinde et usque ad mortem pervenit, ut sit primogenitus ex mortuis, ipse primatum tenens in omnibus, princeps vite, prior omnium, et praecedens omnes.

Being thirty years old when he came to baptism, and then having the full age of a teacher, he came to Jerusalem, so that he might rightly be heard by all as a teacher. For he did not seem one thing and was another, as those say who bring in a merely apparent body; but what he was, that he also seemed. Being a teacher, then, he also had a teacher's age, not rejecting or going beyond humanity, nor setting aside in himself his own law for the human race, but sanctifying every age by the likeness to it that was in him. For he came to save all through himself: all, I say, who through him are born again to God, infants, little children, boys, youths, and older people. Therefore he passed through every age: he became an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a little one among little ones, sanctifying those of that very age, and at the same time becoming for them an example of piety, righteousness, and obedience; a youth among youths, becoming an example to youths and sanctifying them to the Lord. So too he was an older man among older men, that he might be a perfect teacher in all things, not only in setting forth the truth but also in age, sanctifying the older at the same time and becoming an example to them as well. Then he came even to death, that he might be “the firstborn from the dead, himself holding the first place in all things,” the prince of life, before all and going before all.

Luke 3:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 3:15 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ passed through every stage of life, sanctifying each, and was truly what he seemed.

  • Those who bring in an apparent body: the Docetists. The quotation is Col 1:18; “prince of life” is Acts 3:15. Irenaeus's view of Christ's age is translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; split word; stray mark): Hieru salem → Hierusalem; solvens * suam → solvens suam; omnem:etatem → omnem aetatem; omnescu inquam → omnes inquam; par vulos → parvulos; prix: mogenitus → primogenitus.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.22.4 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-22-4).

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2.22.5Harvey 1:292

Illi autem, ut figmentum suum de eo quod est scriptum vocare annum Domini acceptum affirment, dicunt uno anno eum praedicasse, et duodecimo mense passum, contra semetipsos obliti sunt, solventes ejus omne negotium, et magis necessariam, et magis honorabilem aetatem ejus auferentes, illam inquam provectiorem, in qua et docens praeerat universis. Quomodo enim habuit discipulos, si non docebat? Quomodo autem docebat, magistri aetatem non habens? Ad baptismum enim venit nondum qui triginta annos suppleverat, sed qui inciperet esse tanquam triginta annorum: (ita enim, qui ejus annos significavit Lucas, posuit: Jesus autem erat quasi incipiens triginta annorum, cum veniret ad baptismum,) et a baptismate uno tantum anno praedicavit; complens tricesimum annum passus est, adhuc juvenis exsistens, et qui necdum provectiorem haberet setatem. Quia autem triginta annorum etas prima indolis est juvenis, et extenditur usque ad quadragesimum annum, omnis quilibet confitebitur; a quadragesimo autem et quinquagesimo anno declinat jam in aetatem seniorem, quam habens Dominus noster docebat, sicut Evangelium et omnes seniores testantur, qui in Asia apud Johannem discipulum Domini convenerunt, id ipsum tradidisse eis Johannem. Permansit autem cum eis usque ad Trajani tempora. Quidam autem eorum non solum Johannem, sed et alios Apostolos viderunt, et hsec eadem ab ipsis audierunt, et testantur de hujusmodi relatione. Quibus magis oportet credi? Utrumne his talibus, an Ptolemaeo, qui Apostolos nunquam vidit, vestigium autem Apostoli ne in somniis quidem assecutus est !

But they, to support their fiction from what is written, “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,” say that he preached for one year and suffered in the twelfth month. They have forgotten themselves to their own harm, undoing his whole work and taking away his more necessary and more honorable age, that more advanced age, I mean, in which as a teacher he presided over all. For how did he have disciples if he did not teach? And how did he teach if he did not have a teacher's age? For he came to baptism not as one who had completed thirty years, but as one beginning to be about thirty (for so Luke, who indicated his years, put it: “Jesus was about thirty years of age, beginning,” when he came to baptism); and [on their view] from his baptism he preached for only one year, and on completing his thirtieth year he suffered, still a young man and not yet of more advanced age. Now that the age of thirty is the first stage of a young man's prime, and that it extends to the fortieth year, everyone will confess; but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man already declines toward older age, which our Lord had when he taught, as the Gospel and all the elders testify who met in Asia with John the Lord's disciple, that John handed this very thing down to them. And he remained with them until the times of Trajan. And some of them saw not only John but also other apostles, and heard these same things from them, and bear witness to this account. Whom ought we rather to believe? Such men, or Ptolemy, who never saw the apostles and never followed the trace of an apostle even in his dreams?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Isa 61:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 3:23 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:57 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Irenaeus appeals to the Gospel and to the elders of Asia who knew John that Christ taught into older age.

  • The quotation is Luke 3:23. Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition. Irenaeus's claim that Christ taught past forty, which he attributes to the elders who knew John, is translated as written. Ptolemy: the Valentinian teacher.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; page number inside a damaged word): «tatem → aetatem; triginta 62 rum → triginta annorum.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.22.5 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-22-5).

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the ancient Latin translation as printed by Harvey (Cambridge, 1857), from the OCR of the printed edition with slips corrected as logged, in Massuet's section numbering; lines lost in the scan supplied from Stieren's edition (1848–53) where noted; each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in ANF 1 (1885).

2.22.6Harvey 1:292

Sed et ipsi qui tunc disputabant cum Domino Jesu Christo Judaei, apertissime hoc ipsum significaverunt. Quando enim eis dixit Dominus: Abraham pater vester exultavit ut videret diem meum, et vidit, et gavisus est, responderunt ei: Quinquaginta annos nondum habes, et Abraham vidisti? Hoc autem consequenter dicitur ei, qui jam xl annos excessit, quinquagesimum autem annum nondum attigit, non tamen multum a quinquagesimo anno absistit. Ei autem qui sit xxx annorum, diceretur utique: Quadraginta annorum nondum es. Qui enim volebant eum mendacem ostendere, non utique in multum extenderent annos ultra z:etatem, quam eam habere conspiciebant: sed proxima etatis dicebant, sive vere scientes ex conscriptione census, sive conjicientes secundum aetatem, quam videbant habere eum super quadraginta; sed ut non qu:e esset triginta annorum. Irrationabile est enim omnino viginti annos mentiri eos, volentes eum juniorem ostendere temporibus Abrahae. Quod autem videbant, hoc et loquebantur: qui autem videbatur, non erat putativus, sed veritas. Non ergo multum aberat a quinquaginta annis: et ideo dicebant ei, Quinquaginta annorum nondum es, et Abraham vidisti? Non ergo anno uno praedicavit, nec duodecimo mense anni passus est. Tempus enim a trigesimo anno usque ad quinquagesimum nunquam erit unus annus, nisi si apud ZIEones eorum tam magni anni sunt deputati his, qui apud Bythum in Pleromate ex ordine resident, de quibus et Homerus Poeta dixit, et ipse inspiratus a matre eorum erroris: Οἱ δὲ θεοὶ πὰρ Ζηνὶ καθήμενοι ἠγορόωντο χρυσέῳ ἐν δαπέδῳ. Quod latine ita interpretabimur: Dii autem apud Jovem considentes tractabant in aureo loco.

And the very Jews who then disputed with the Lord Jesus Christ indicated this most plainly. For when the Lord said to them, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad,” they answered him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” This is fittingly said to one who has already passed forty years, but has not yet reached the fiftieth year, though he is not far from the fiftieth. To one who is thirty years old it would surely be said, “You are not yet forty years old.” For those who wanted to show him a liar would certainly not stretch his years far beyond the age they saw him to have; they named an age near his, whether they truly knew it from the census register or conjectured it from the age they saw him to have, over forty, and certainly not that of a man of thirty. For it is altogether unreasonable that they should lie by twenty years when they wanted to show him younger than the times of Abraham. What they saw, that they also said; and he who was seen was not an appearance but truth. He was not far, then, from fifty years; and therefore they said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” So he did not preach for one year, nor did he suffer in the twelfth month of the year. For the time from the thirtieth to the fiftieth year will never be one year, unless such great years are counted among their Aeons for those who sit in order with Bythus in the Pleroma, of whom the poet Homer also spoke, he too inspired by the Mother of their error: “The gods, sitting beside Zeus, held council on the golden floor.”

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

John 8:56–57 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Jews' remark “You are not yet fifty” shows that Christ was then past forty, not thirty.

  • The quotations are John 8:56–57. Irenaeus's argument about Christ's age is translated as written. Words lost in the scan of Harvey's edition are supplied from Stieren's edition, including Homer's Greek line, which the text then renders in Latin (translated once); the quotation is Iliad 4.1–2, given in a Latin rendering. Harvey's chapter title at the end of the section is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR of the numeral; margin debris; margin debris inside a word; margin debris inside words; words lost in the OCR; editor's chapter title; stray marks): ut videson. vut se, ret diem meum, σὲ vidit → ut videret diem meum, et vidit; Quando quaginta → Quinquaginta; jam xr annos → jam xl annos; quinqua.̈ Gk 4Lx. gesimum → quinquagesimum; a xxi € quinquagesimo → a quinquagesimo; Dii autem apud Jovem considentes tractabant tn aureo loco.) Quomodo destruitur qui est de numeris tpsorum et nominibus sermo. 1. → Dii autem apud Jovem considentes tractabant in aureo loco..

Extrabiblical texts: Homer, Il. 4.1-2 (Homer, Iliad; quotation)

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Irenaeus, Haer. 2.22.6 (Harvey 1:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/irenaeus-adversus-haereses/2-19-1/#p-2-22-6).

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the ancient Latin translation as printed by Harvey (Cambridge, 1857), from the OCR of the printed edition with slips corrected as logged, in Massuet's section numbering; lines lost in the scan supplied from Stieren's edition (1848–53) where noted; each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in ANF 1 (1885).