Against Faustus the Manichaean 20.11–20.21

Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.1 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Faustum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.1, 1891), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: NPNF 1/4: Reply to Faustus the Manichaean (Philip Schaff, ed., 1887).

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Chapter 20

20.11CSEL 25.1:548–551

Quid autem hinc dicam. quod ait: ex uiribus sancti spiritus ac spiritali profusione terram quoque concipientem gignere patibilem Iesum, qui est uita ac salus hominum, omni suspensus ex ligno? o demens, ut interim non discutiam de hac re uestra uaniloquia, potestne terra de spiritu sancto concipere patibilem Iesum et Maria uirgo non potuit? conpara, si audes, uirginalia uiscera tanta castitate sanctificata cum omnibus terrae locis, ubi arbores herbaeque gignuntur. itane in illa femina exhorrescis aut horrescere te fingis uterum pudicitiae dedicatum et in hortis omnibus circum quasque urbes ex cluacinis aquis Iesum gigni non exhorrescis? quis enim quamlibet caenulentus humor non innumerabilia germina edit et nutrit? sic praedicatis nasci patibilem Iesum, quem credere natum esse de uirgine clamatis indignum. si carnem putatis inmundam, cur uobis non uidetur inmundius, quod a suae salutis temperamento ipsa natura carnis expurgat? an caro inmunda est et fimus, qui carne egeritur. mundus est? non ergo adtenditis, non uidetis stercoribus laetari agros, quo fertilius fecundentur? nempe ad id redit uestra dementia, ut de spiritu sancto, quem carnem Mariae dicitis dedignatum, tanto uberius et laetius terra concipiat, quanto studiosius fuerit carnis sordibus et squaloribus pinguefacta. an ut hoc defendatis, dicetis spiritum sanctum incontaminabili ubique pollere praesentia? respondetur uobis: cur non ergo et in utero uirginali? sed ut de conceptu iam taceam, partum ipsum deinde respicite. concipientem de spiritu sancto dicitis terram gignere patibilem Iesum, quem tamen ita contaminatum omni ex ligno pendere perhibetis in frugibus et pomis, ut innumerabilibus animalibus animalium uescentium carnibus amplius contaminetur, ex ea sola parte purgandus, cui fames uestra subuenerit. itaque nos Christum filium dei, uerbum dei, incontaminabiliter carne indutum corde credimus, ore confitemur, quia illa substantia contaminari nec carne potest, quae nulla re potest; uos autem secundum uestram fabulam adhuc in arbore pendentem Iesum iam contaminatum dicitis, antequam carnem ingrediatur cuiusque uescentis. aut si non est contaminatus, quomodo uos eum manducando purgatis? deinde cum omnes arbores crucem ipsius esse dicatis, unde a Fausto praedicatur omni suspensus ex ligno? cur non sicut illum uerum Iesum bonum opus faciens Ioseph ille ab Arimathia de cruce deposuit. ut. sepeliret, ita et uos poma decerpitis, ut Iesum de ligni suspensione depositum uestro uentre sepeliatis? aut unde pium est Christum sepulcro condere, inpium autem de ligno deponere? an ut de uobis etiam concinat, quod de propheta ponit apostolus: sepulcrum patens est guttur eorum, ore aperto expectatis, quis inferat Christum tamquam optimae sepulturae faucibus uestris? postremo dicite nobis, quot christos esse dicatis. aliusne est, quem de spiritu sancto concipiens terra patibilem gignit, omni non solum suspensus ex ligno. sed etiam iacens in herba, et alius ille, quem Iudaei crucifixerunt sub Pontio Pilato, et tertius ille per solem lunamque distentus? an unus atque idem ex quadam sui parte ligatus in arboribus, ex quadam uero parte liber eidem ligatae captaeque subueniens? quod si ita est, ille, quem sub Pontio Pilato passum esse conceditis, cum eum sine carne fuisse narretis — nondum dico, quemadmodum talem mortem sine carne perpeti potuerit - sed quaero, cui naues illas reliquerit, ut inde descendens talia pateretur, qualia sine quocumque corpore fieri non possent. secundum praesentiam quippe spiritalem nullo modo illa pati posset; secundum praesentiam uero corporalem simul et in sole et in luna et in cruce esse non posset. proinde si corpus non habuit, non est crucifixus; si autem habuit, quaero, unde habuerit, cum omnia corpora ex tenebrarum gente esse dicatis, quamuis substantiam diuinam cogitare nisi corpoream numquam ualueritis. unde cogimini aut sine corpore dicere crucifixum — quo absurdius et dementius dici nihil potest — aut in phantasmate potius quam in ueritate uisum fuisse crucifigi — qua rursus inpietate quid peius est? — aut non omnia corpora de gente esse tenebrarum, sed esse etiam corpus diuinae substantiae, quod tamen inmortale non sit, sed possit ligno adfigi et occidi — quod nihilominus plenum est dementiae — aut ex gente tenebrarum mortale corpus habuisse Christum atque ita qui eius corporis matrem Mariam uirginem credere timetis, gentem daemonum non timetis. postremo. cum secundum sententiam Fausti, quam quidem ex illa longissima fabula uestra decerptam quanta potuit breuitate perstrinxit, de spiritu sancto terra concipiens gignat patibilem Iesum, qui est uita et salus hominum omni suspensus ex ligno, cur ille saluator pendenti pendendo congruit et nascenti nascendo non congruit? si autem propterea Iesum dicitis esse in arboribus et Iesum crucifixum sub Pontio Pilato et Iesum per solem lunamque distentum, quia totum hoc ex una eademque substantia est, cur non et cetera milia numinum uestrorum hac appellatione concluditis? cur enim non sit Iesus et ille splenditenens et ille Atlas et ille rex honoris et ille spiritus potens et ille primus homo et quicquid aliud innumerabiliter per diuersa nomina et diuersa officia praedicatis?.

And what am I to say to this, that he says, “from the powers of the Holy Spirit and his spiritual outpouring the earth too conceives and brings forth the suffering Jesus, who is the life and salvation of men, hanging from every tree”? O madman! Not to discuss for the moment your empty talk on this matter, can the earth conceive the suffering Jesus from the Holy Spirit, and the Virgin Mary could not? Compare, if you dare, the virginal womb, sanctified by such chastity, with all the places of the earth where trees and plants are produced. Do you shudder, or pretend to shudder, at the womb dedicated to purity in that woman, and not shudder that Jesus is produced in all the gardens around every city from sewer water? For what moisture, however muddy, does not produce and nourish countless shoots? So you preach that the suffering Jesus is born in this way, whom you cry out it is unworthy to believe was born of a virgin. If you think flesh unclean, why does it not seem to you more unclean, what the very nature of the flesh purges out from the balance of its own health? Or is flesh unclean, and the dung that is passed out of the flesh clean? Do you not notice, do you not see, that fields are gladdened by manure, so that they may be made more fertile? Your madness, surely, comes to this: that the earth conceives from the Holy Spirit, who, you say, disdained the flesh of Mary, the more abundantly and gladly the more carefully it has been fattened with the filth and squalor of the flesh. Or, to defend this, will you say that the Holy Spirit is strong everywhere with a presence that cannot be defiled? The answer to you is: why not, then, in the virginal womb too? But to say no more of the conception, look next at the birth itself. You say that the earth, conceiving from the Holy Spirit, brings forth the suffering Jesus, whom, however, you declare hangs from every tree in fruits and apples so defiled that he is defiled still more by countless animals that feed on the flesh of animals, to be cleansed only from the part that your hunger comes to help. So we believe with the heart and confess with the mouth that Christ the Son of God, the Word of God, was clothed with flesh without defilement, because that substance cannot be defiled even by flesh, which cannot be defiled by anything. But you, according to your fable, say that Jesus, still hanging on the tree, is already defiled before he enters the flesh of anyone who eats. Or if he is not defiled, how do you cleanse him by eating? Then, since you say that all trees are his cross (hence Faustus preaches him “hanging from every tree”), why, just as Joseph of Arimathea, doing a good work, took down the true Jesus from the cross to bury him, do you not likewise pick the fruit in order to bury in your belly Jesus taken down from hanging on the tree? Or how is it pious to lay Christ in the tomb, but impious to take him down from the tree? Or is it so that what the apostle quotes from the prophet may fit you too, “Their throat is an open tomb,” that you wait with open mouth for someone to bring Christ to your jaws as to the best of burials? Finally, tell us how many Christs you say there are. Is the one whom the earth, conceiving from the Holy Spirit, brings forth as the suffering one, not only hanging from every tree but also lying in the grass, one Christ, and the one whom the Jews crucified under Pontius Pilate another, and the one stretched out through the sun and moon a third? Or is he one and the same, bound in part in the trees, but in part free and helping that same bound and captive part? If so, the one whom you grant suffered under Pontius Pilate, since you relate that he was without flesh (I do not yet ask how he could suffer such a death without flesh), I ask to whom he left those ships, so that, descending from there, he might suffer such things as could not happen without some body or other. For in his spiritual presence he could in no way suffer those things; while in a bodily presence he could not be at once in the sun and in the moon and on the cross. So if he did not have a body, he was not crucified; but if he did have one, I ask where he got it, since you say all bodies are from the race of darkness, although you have never been able to conceive of the divine substance as anything but bodily. Hence you are forced either to say he was crucified without a body (than which nothing more absurd and mad can be said), or that he was seen to be crucified in phantasm rather than in truth (and what is worse than this impiety?), or that not all bodies are from the race of darkness, but that there is also a body of the divine substance, which is yet not immortal but can be fixed to wood and killed (which is no less full of madness), or that Christ had a mortal body from the race of darkness; and so you who fear to believe that the Virgin Mary was the mother of his body do not fear that the race of demons was. Finally, since according to the statement of Faustus, which he plucked from that very long fable of yours and condensed as briefly as he could, the earth, conceiving from the Holy Spirit, brings forth the suffering Jesus, who is the life and salvation of men, hanging from every tree, why does that Savior suit the hanging one by hanging, and not suit the one who is born by being born? But if you say that Jesus is in the trees, and Jesus crucified under Pontius Pilate, and Jesus stretched out through the sun and moon, because all this is of one and the same substance, why do you not include the other thousands of your deities under this name as well? For why should Splenditenens not be Jesus, and Atlas, and the King of Honor, and the Mighty Spirit, and the First Man, and all the countless others you preach under different names and different offices?

Luke 1:35 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 10:10 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 27:57–60 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 5:9 (5:10 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine turns the Manichaean “suffering Jesus” born of the earth against their denial of the virgin birth, and asks how many Christs they believe in and how a bodiless Christ could be crucified.

  • The Manichaeans denied that Christ was born of Mary or had real flesh; the elect “cleansed” the light in fruit by eating it. Rom 10:10; Matt 27:57–60 (Joseph of Arimathea); Rom 3:13 quoting Ps 5:9 (5:10 LXX). The figures named at the end are Manichaean deities. Translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip: Iesum read as legum; stray letter in the digital text): ligno?s o demens → ligno? o demens; legum gigni → Iesum gigni; pendentem legum iam → pendentem Iesum iam; ut legum de ligni → ut Iesum de ligni.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.11 (CSEL 25.1:548–551; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).

20.12CSEL 25.1:551–552

Ipse denique spiritus sanctus cur in tertia persona ponitur, cum sit inter innumerabiles? aut cur non sit etiam ipse Iesus? et quid sibi iam uult in scriptis Fausti fallax textura uerborum, ubi conatus uelut congruere ueris christianis, a quibus longe nimiumque secluditur, ait: igitur nos patris quidem dei omnipotentis et Christi filii eius et spiritus sancti unum idemque sub triplici appellatione colimus numen? cur enim sub triplici ac non potius sub multiplici non appellatione tantum, sed etiam re, si quot nomina, tot personae sunt? neque enim, sicut in armis una res est sub triplici appellatione ensis. mucro. gladius, sicut unam rem dicitis et lunam et nauem minorem et luminatorem nocturnum et si quid aliud uocabuli eidem rei tribuitis. ita potestis dicere eundem primum hominem, quem spiritum potentem et quem splenditenentem et quem Atlantem maximum, sed alius est ille, alius atque alius ille et ille, et neminem istorum Christum dicere soletis. aut quomodo unum numen, si diuersa opera? aut cur non totum simul unus Christus, si propter unam substantiam et in arboribus Christus et in persecutione Iudaeorum Christus et in sole ac luna Christus? nempe uias omnes uestra phantasmata perdiderunt. nempe nihil aliud sunt quam uisa furentium.

Finally, why is the Holy Spirit himself placed as the third person, when he is among countless ones? Or why should he not also be Jesus himself? And what is meant now, in the writings of Faustus, by that deceitful texture of words, where, trying as it were to agree with true Christians, from whom he is far, far removed, he says: “We, then, worship one and the same deity under a threefold name, of God the almighty Father, and of Christ his Son, and of the Holy Spirit”? For why under a threefold, and not rather under a manifold, not name only but also reality, if there are as many persons as names? For you cannot say, as among weapons one thing goes by the threefold name of “ensis,” “mucro,” “gladius” (sword, blade, brand), and as you say that the moon, the lesser ship, and the night-time light-bearer are one thing, along with any other word you give the same thing, that the First Man is the same as the one you call the Mighty Spirit, and Splenditenens, and the great Atlas; but that one is one, and this another, and that yet another; and none of them do you usually call Christ. Or how is it one deity, if the works are different? Or why is the whole together not one Christ, if, because of the one substance, Christ is in the trees, and Christ in the persecution of the Jews, and Christ in the sun and moon? Surely your phantasms have lost all their ways. Surely they are nothing but the visions of madmen.

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Summary: Augustine argues that Faustus’s profession of one deity under three names cannot stand, since the Manichaeans have many distinct gods with different works.

  • Ensis, mucro, gladius are three Latin words for “sword”.

Topics: Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.12 (CSEL 25.1:551–552; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.13CSEL 25.1:552–553

Cur autem arbitretur Faustus parem nobis esse religionem circa panem et calicem, nescio, cum Manichaeis uinum gustare non religio, sed sacrilegium sit. in uua enim agnoscunt deum suum, in cupa nolunt, quasi aliquid eos calcatus. et inclusus offenderit. noster autem panis et calix, non quilibet — quasi propter Christum in spicis et in sarmentis ligatum, sicut illi desipiunt —, sed certa consecratione mysticus fit nobis, non nascitur. proinde quod non ita fit, quamuis sit panis et calix, alimentum est refectionis, non sacramentum religionis, nisi quod benedicimus gratiasque agimus domino in omni eius munere non solum spiritali, uerum etiam corporali. uobis autem per fabulam uestram in escis omnibus Christus ligatus adponitur adhuc ligandus uestris uisceribus soluendusque ructatibus. nam et cum manducatis, dei uestri defectione uos reficitis, et cum digeritis, illius refectione deficitis. cum enim uos plenos reddit, resumptio uestra ipsum premit. quod quidem misericordiae deputaretur. quando aliquid pro uobis patitur in uobis, nisi uos rursus inanes relinqueret, ut a uobis liberatus effugeret. quomodo ergo conparas panem et calicem nostrum et parem religionem dicis errorem longe a ueritate discretum peius desipiens quam nonnulli, qui nos propter panem et calicem Cererem ac Liberum colere existimant? quod ideo commemorandum putaui, ut aduertatis, ex qua uanitate ueniat etiam illud uestrum, quod propter sabbatum Saturno dicatos fuisse patres nostros putatis. sicut enim a Cerere et Libero paganorum diis longe absumus, quamuis panis et calicis sacramentum, quod ita laudastis, ut in eo nobis pares esse uolueritis, nostro ritu amplectamur: ita patres nostri longe fuerunt a Saturniacis catenis, quamuis pro tempore prophetiae sabbati uacationem obseruauerint.

But why Faustus should think that we have an equal reverence concerning the bread and the cup, I do not know, since for the Manichaeans to taste wine is not religion but sacrilege. For they acknowledge their God in the grape, but will not in the cask, as if something trodden and shut up had offended them. Our bread and cup, however, is not just any bread and cup, as if because Christ were bound in ears of grain and in vine shoots, as they foolishly think; but it becomes mystical for us by a definite consecration; it is not born so. So what is not made so, although it is bread and a cup, is nourishment for refreshment, not a sacrament of religion, except that we bless and give thanks to the Lord in every gift of his, not only spiritual but also bodily. But to you, according to your fable, Christ is served up bound in all foods, still to be bound in your bowels and loosed by your belches. For when you eat, you refresh yourselves by the failing of your God, and when you digest, you fail by his refreshment. For when he fills you, your restoration presses him down. This indeed might be counted as mercy, when he suffers something for you in you, except that he leaves you empty again in order to escape, set free from you. How then do you compare our bread and cup and call an error far removed from the truth an equal reverence, being more foolish than some who think that because of the bread and cup we worship Ceres and Liber? I thought this worth mentioning so that you may notice from what emptiness comes also that notion of yours, that because of the sabbath you think our fathers were dedicated to Saturn. For just as we are far from Ceres and Liber, gods of the pagans, although we embrace, with our own rite, the sacrament of the bread and the cup, which you praised so much as to want to be equal to us in it, so our fathers were far from the chains of Saturn, although, for the time of prophecy, they observed the rest of the sabbath.

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Summary: Augustine rejects Faustus’s comparison of the eucharist with Manichaean reverence for food: Christians’ bread and cup become a sacrament by consecration, while the Manichaeans think Christ is bound in all food.

  • Ceres and Liber were the Roman gods of grain and wine. The Manichaean elect abstained from wine; their eating was thought to release the light bound in food. Augustine describes their belief in hostile terms; translated as written.

Topics: Eucharist, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.13 (CSEL 25.1:552–553; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.14CSEL 25.1:553–555

Sed cur non etiam propter hylen, quae in nonnullis libris paganorum frequentatur, parem uos cum paganis religionem habere dixistis? quin immo propter hoc inparem longeque dissimilem uoluistis intellegi, quia hoc nomine mali principium ac naturam theologus uester appellat. in quo quidem inperitia uestra magna deprehenditur, quia nec quid sit hyle scitis et hoc rei uocabulo, quam penitus ignoratis, etiam inflari uelut docti adfectatis. hylen namque Graeci cum de natura disserunt, materiem quandam rerum definiunt nullo prorsus modo formatam, sed omnium corporalium formarum capacem, quae quidem in corporum mutabilitate utcumque cognoscitur; nam per se ipsam nec sentiri nec intellegi potest. uerum in hoc errant quidam gentilium, quod eam tamquam coaeternam deo coniungunt, ut haec ab illo non sit, quamuis ab illo formetur: quod alienum esse a ueritate ipsa ueritas docet. ecce tamen quibus paganis de hac ipsa hyle inuenimini esse consimiles, quod eam uos quoque suum habere principium nec ex deo esse perhibetis, et in hoc uos dispares esse dicebatis nescientes, quid dicatis. in illo uero, quod nulla est huic hyle forma propria nec nisi a deo formari potest, nostrae illi ueritati consentiunt, a uestra autem falsitate dissentiunt: qui nescientes, quid sit hyle, id est, quid sit rerum materies, gentem tenebrarum eam dicitis, ubi non solum distinctas quinque generibus innumerabiles corporum formas, uerum etiam mentem constituitis horum corporum formatricem, et — quod est inperitius uel potius dementius — ipsam magis mentem dicitis hylen, quam non formari, sed formare perhibetis. nam si esset ibi mens quaedam formans et elementa corporea, quae formarentur, illa elementa dicenda esset hyle. id est materies, quam formaret eadem mens, quam mentem principium mali esse uultis. hoc si diceretis, non quidem multum erraretis in eo, quod est hyle, nisi quod ipsa quoque elementa quamuis in alias formas formanda, tamen quia iam elementa essent, et speciebus propriis distinguerentur, hyle non essent, quia illa est prorsus informis. uerumtamen tolerabilis esset inperitia uestra, quia eam, quae formaretur, non eam, quae formaret, hylen diceretis; sed tamen etiam sic eo teneremini uani atque sacrilegi, quia nescientes omnem modum naturarum numerumque formarum et ordinem ponderum non esse posse nisi a patre et filio et spiritu sancto principio mali tantum bonum tribueretis. nunc uero cum et quid sit hyle et quid sit malum ignoretis, o si possem uobis persuadere, ut a seducendis inperitioribus uos conpesceretis!

But why did you not say that you have an equal religion with the pagans because of Hyle as well, which occurs frequently in some books of the pagans? Indeed, you wanted to be understood as unequal and far unlike on this very account, because your theologian calls the principle and nature of evil by this name. In this your great ignorance is caught out, because you do not know what hyle is, and you affect to puff yourselves up as learned with the word for a thing of which you are entirely ignorant. For the Greeks, when they discourse on nature, define hyle as a kind of matter of things, in no way at all formed, but capable of all bodily forms; it is recognized somehow in the changeableness of bodies, for in itself it can be neither perceived nor understood. But some of the Gentiles err in this, that they join it to God as coeternal, so that it is not from him, although it is formed by him; that this is foreign to the truth, the truth itself teaches. See, then, to which pagans you are found very like about this very Hyle: you too declare that it has its own principle and is not from God; and in this you said you were unlike them, not knowing what you were saying. But in this, that this hyle has no form of its own and can be formed only by God, they agree with our truth and disagree with your falsehood. For not knowing what hyle is, that is, what the matter of things is, you say it is the race of darkness, where you set up not only countless forms of bodies, distinguished into five kinds, but also a mind that forms these bodies; and, what is more ignorant, or rather more insane, you call the mind itself hyle, which you assert does not get formed but forms. For if there were there some forming mind and bodily elements to be formed, those elements should be called hyle, that is, matter, which that mind would form, the mind which you want to be the principle of evil. If you said this, you would not err much about what hyle is, except that the elements themselves, though to be formed into other forms, yet, because they would already be elements and distinguished by their own kinds, would not be hyle, since hyle is altogether formless. Still your ignorance would be tolerable, because you would be calling hyle what is formed, not what forms. But even so you would be held empty and sacrilegious, because, not knowing that every measure of natures, number of forms, and order of weights can come only from the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, you would be attributing so great a good to the principle of evil. As it is, since you know neither what hyle is nor what evil is, oh, if only I could persuade you to keep yourselves from seducing the less instructed!

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Summary: Augustine argues that the Manichaeans misuse the Greek term hyle, which philosophers use for formless matter, by making it a forming mind and the principle of evil.

  • Hyle (Greek “matter”) in Greek philosophy is formless matter; some philosophers (e.g. in the Platonic tradition) held it coeternal with God. The five kinds of bodies are the five Manichaean realms of darkness. Wis 11:20 (measure, number, weight).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text; word split in the digital text): longe-, que → longeque; hylen,.quam → hylen, quam.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 11:20 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.14 (CSEL 25.1:553–555; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.15CSEL 25.1:555–556

Iam uero quod etiam inde uos paganis uultis esse meliores, quod illi aris, delubris. simulacris, uictimis atque incenso deum colendum putant, uos autem nihil horum facitis, quis non inrideat? quasi uero non satius sit uel lapidi, qui quoquo modo est, aram constituere et uictimam offerre quam id, quod omnino non est, in deliramento phantasmatis adorare? uerum tu, qui rationabile dei templum te esse dixisti, quomodo hoc explicabis? placetne tibi, ut templum deus habeat, cuius aliquam partem diabolus fabricauerit? an uos non estis, qui dicitis omnia membra uestra totumque corpus a maligna mente, quam hylen dicitis, fabricatum eiusque ipsius fabricatricis partem illic habitare simul cum parte dei uestri? quae cum ibi teneatur, ut perhibetis, concatenata et inclusa, utrum dei templum, an dei carcerem te dicere. debuisti? nisi forte animam tuam templum dei dicis, quam ex terra luminis habes. at illam partem dei uel membrum dei soletis dicere, non templum dei. restat ergo, ut templum dei non te dixeris, nisi ex corpore, quod secundum te diabolus fabricauit. ecce quomodo templum dei blasphematis, ut non solum sanctum non esse dicatis, uerum etiam machinamentum diaboli et ergastulum dei. at uero apostolus, templum enim dei sanctum est, inquit, quod estis uos; et ne putes tantummodo ad animam pertinere, quod dictum est, audi expressius. nescitis, inquit, quia corpora uestra templum est in uobis spiritus sancti, quem habetis a deo? uos autem fabricam daemonum dei templum dicitis et ibi uiuum, sicut Faustus ait. uiuae maiestatis simulacrum Christum filium dei conlocatis. plane Christus uester phantasmaticus habitet in tali templo sacrilegae uanitatis. ille quippe non a similitudine, sed a simulatione simulacrum uocari potest.

Now, who would not laugh at your wanting to be better than the pagans on this account too, that they think God is to be worshipped with altars, shrines, images, victims, and incense, while you do none of these things? As if it were not better even to set up an altar and offer a victim to a stone, which at any rate exists, than to adore in the raving of a phantasm what does not exist at all! But you, who said that you are the rational temple of God, how will you explain this? Does it please you that God should have a temple of which the devil built some part? Are you not the ones who say that all your members and your whole body were built by the malignant mind which you call Hyle, and that part of that very builder dwells there together with a part of your God? Since this part is held there, as you assert, chained and shut up, ought you to have called yourself the temple of God, or the prison of God? Unless perhaps you call your soul the temple of God, which you have from the land of light. But you usually call that a part of God, or a member of God, not a temple of God. It remains, then, that you called yourself the temple of God only in respect of the body, which according to you the devil built. See how you blaspheme the temple of God, saying not only that it is not holy, but that it is the devil’s contrivance and God’s workhouse prison. But the apostle says, “For the temple of God is holy, which you are”; and so that you may not think what was said applies only to the soul, hear it more expressly: “Do you not know,” he says, “that your bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God?” But you call the devils’ construction the temple of God, and there you place, as Faustus says, “Christ the Son of God, the living image of the living majesty.” Plainly, let your phantasmal Christ dwell in such a temple of sacrilegious vanity. For he can be called an image (simulacrum) not from likeness but from simulation.

1 Cor 3:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:19 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine asks how a Manichaean can call himself God’s temple when he believes his body was built by the devil and imprisons part of God.

  • 1 Cor 3:17; 1 Cor 6:19. The word play is simulacrum (“image”) and simulatio (“pretence”).

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.15 (CSEL 25.1:555–556; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.16CSEL 25.1:556

Ita et mentem tuam aram fecisti, sed uide cuius. ex ipsis enim artibus et disciplinis tuis adparet, quibus eam inbutam esse dixisti. illae artes et disciplinae uetant panem porrigere mendicanti homini, ut in ara uestra cum sacrificio crudelitatis ardeatis: talem aram domino destruente, qui ex lege commemorat, quali odore delectatur deus dicens: misericordiam uolo quam sacrificium. ubi autem hoc dominus commemorauerit, adtendite, cum scilicet transiret per segetem et esurientes discipuli eius uellerent spicas, quod homicidium esse uos dicitis ex disciplina uestra, qua inbuistis mentem uestram. aram sane non dei. sed daemoniorum mendaciloquorum, ex quorum doctrinis inusta cauteriatur maligna conscientia, homicidium appellans, quam ueritas innocentiam dicit. ita enim Iudaeis ait, ubi uos quoque futuros percussit atque destruxit: si sciretis, quid sit "misericordiam uolo quam sacrificium", numquam condemnassetis innocentes.

So you have also made your mind an altar; but see whose. For it is clear from the very arts and disciplines with which you said it was imbued. Those arts and disciplines forbid you to hold out bread to a begging man, so that you burn on your altar with a sacrifice of cruelty; an altar which the Lord destroys, who reminds us from the law what odor God delights in, saying, “I desire mercy rather than sacrifice.” And notice where the Lord recalled this: when he was passing through a grainfield and his hungry disciples were plucking ears of grain, which you call murder, by the discipline with which you have imbued your mind; an altar indeed not of God but of lying demons, from whose doctrines a malignant conscience is branded and seared, calling murder what the truth calls innocence. For so he says to the Jews, where he struck and destroyed you too, who were to come: “If you knew what ‘I desire mercy rather than sacrifice’ means, you would never have condemned the innocent.”

Hos 6:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:1–7 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 12:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:1–2 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine says the Manichaean mind is an altar of cruelty, since their rules forbid giving bread to a beggar and condemn as murder the disciples’ plucking of grain.

  • Hos 6:6 quoted in Matt 12:1–7; 1 Tim 4:1–2 (“lying” demons, seared conscience). Manichaean hearers were forbidden to give food to anyone outside the sect, and harming plants counted as injuring the divine light; Augustine reports this polemically.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.16 (CSEL 25.1:556; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.17CSEL 25.1:556–558

Quas autem habere simplices et puras orationes tamquam diuinos honores ac sacrificia poteritis, cum de ipsa natura atque substantia diuina tanta indigna et turpia sentiatis. ut non solum uestris sacrificiis deus uerus non propitietur, sed in sacrificiis paganorum deus uester immoletur? neque enim in lignis solum et in herbis aut in membris humanis, sed etiam in pecorum carnibus eum contaminantibus et polluentibus uinculis conligatum esse censetis. ipsa uero anima uestra cui deo laudem dicat, cuius particulam se ipsam in tenebrarum gente captam teneri conclamans quid aliud quam uituperat deum, quem sibi alio pacto aduersus hostes suos consulere non potuisse testatur, nisi partium suarum tanta corruptione et tam turpi captiuitate? unde uestrae etiam preces ad deum uestrum non possunt esse religiosae, sed inuidiosae. quid enim mali apud illum commiseratis, ut in poena ista nunc ad eum gematis, quem non propria uoluntate peccando deseruistis, sed ab illo dati estis hostibus ipsius, ut pax regno eius conpararetur? nec saltem sicut obsides dari solent cum honore custodiendi, nec sicut pastor ad capiendam bestiam tendit insidias; pecus enim suum solet ponere in illa captoria tendicula. non membrum suum, et plerumque ita, ut ante bestia capiatur quam pecus laedatur. uos autem membra dei dati estis hostibus non ualentes eorum a deo uestro conpescere feritatem nisi eorum contaminati foeditate, non habentes peccatum proprium, sed hostili ueneno tabefacti. unde non potestis dicere in precibus uestris: propter gloriam nominis tui, domine, libera nos; et propitius esto peccatis nostris propter nomen tuum, sed dicitis: libera nos arte tua, quia ut modo in regno tuo securus lugeas, nos hic premimur, dilaniamur, inquinamur. haec uox accusatoria est. non deprecatoria. nec illud potestis dicere, quod magister ueritatis docuit: dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. qui sunt enim debitores uestri, qui in uos peccauerunt? si gens tenebrarum, numquid ei dimittis debita, quam usque in finem eradicatam aeterno carcere includitis? quae autem debita uobis potest ille dimittere, quando ille potius in uos peccauit, cum ad ista uos misit, quam uos in illum. qui mittenti obtemperastis? aut si propterea ille non peccauit, quia hoc necessitate fecit, maior et uestra necessitas, cum iam in pugna prostrati iaceatis, quam fuit illius, antequam pugnaretis. iam enim uos patimini commixtum malum. nihil tale ille patiebatur, cum tamen necessitatem, ut uos mitteret. pateretur. itaque aut ipse potius uobis debet, quod ei dimittatis, aut si nec ipse uobis, multo magis nec uos illi. ubi sunt ergo sacrificia uestra, simplices ac purae orationes, cum sint fallaces et inpurae blasphemiae?

And what simple and pure prayers will you be able to have as divine honors and sacrifices, when you think so many unworthy and shameful things about the divine nature and substance itself that not only is the true God not propitiated by your sacrifices, but your God is sacrificed in the sacrifices of the pagans? For you hold that he is bound not only in wood and plants and human members, but also in the flesh of cattle, by bonds that defile and pollute him. And to what God does your soul itself sing praise, when, crying out that it is itself a particle of him held captive in the race of darkness, what else does it do but find fault with God, testifying that he could not have provided for himself against his enemies in any other way than by so great a corruption of his parts and so shameful a captivity? Hence your prayers to your God cannot be religious, but reproachful. For what evil had you committed before him, that in this punishment you now groan to him, whom you did not desert by sinning of your own will, but by whom you were handed over to his enemies so that peace might be secured for his kingdom? And not even as hostages are usually handed over, to be kept with honor; nor as a shepherd sets a snare to catch a beast, for he usually places one of his flock in that trap, not a member of himself, and generally so that the beast is caught before the sheep is hurt. But you, members of God, were handed over to the enemies, unable to restrain their savagery from your God except by being defiled with their foulness, having no sin of your own, but wasted away by the enemy’s poison. Hence you cannot say in your prayers, “For the glory of your name, Lord, deliver us; and be merciful to our sins for your name’s sake”; but you say, “Deliver us by your skill, because, so that you may now mourn securely in your kingdom, we are here oppressed, torn apart, defiled.” This is the voice of accusation, not of supplication. Nor can you say what the Master of truth taught: “Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.” For who are your debtors, who have sinned against you? If the race of darkness, do you forgive its debts, when you shut it up, uprooted at the end, in an eternal prison? And what debts can he forgive you, when he has rather sinned against you, by sending you to these things, than you against him, who obeyed the one who sent you? Or if he did not sin because he did this from necessity, your necessity too is greater, since you now lie prostrate in the battle, than his was before you fought. For you now suffer the mingled evil; he suffered nothing of the kind, although he suffered the necessity of sending you. So either he owes you something rather, for you to forgive him, or, if he does not owe you, much less do you owe him. Where then are your sacrifices, your simple and pure prayers, when they are deceitful and impure blasphemies?

Ps 79:9 (78:9 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 6:12 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine argues that Manichaean prayers cannot be pure, since their myth makes their God sacrifice his own members to his enemies, so that their prayers accuse him rather than ask forgiveness.

  • Ps 79:9 (78:9 Vulg.); Matt 6:12. The myth of the divine particles sent out against the race of darkness is the Manichaean account of the First Man, reported by Augustine.

Topics: Prayer, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.17 (CSEL 25.1:556–558; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.18CSEL 25.1:558–559

Et tamen uolo mihi dicatis, unde ista omnia. quae laudatis in uobis, his nominibus appelletis, ut dicatis templum, aram, sacrificium. si enim uero deo ista uera non debentur, cur laudabiliter in uera religione praedicantur? si autem deo uero uerum sacrificium rite debetur, unde etiam diuini honores recte appellantur, cetera quae dicuntur sacrificia ad similitudinem fiunt cuiusdam ueri sacrificii. haec autem partim sunt imitamenta falsorum et fallacium deorum, hoc est daemoniorum, superbe sibi ab eis, quos deceperint, diuinos honores exigentium — sicut sunt uel erant omnia in templis idolisque gentilium — partim praedicamenta uenturi unius uerissimi sacrificii, quod pro peccatis omnium credentium offerri oporteret, qualia erant praecepta diuinitus antiquis patribus nostris, ubi erat et illa mystica unctio, qua Christus praefigurabatur, unde et ipsum nomen a chrismate ducitur. proinde uerum sacrificium, quod uni uero debetur deo, quo eius altare solus Christus inpleuit, in uictimis pecorum imitata daemonia sibi adroganter exposcunt. unde dicit apostolus: quae immolant gentes, daemoniis immolant et non deo, non quod offerebatur culpans, sed quia illis offerebatur. Hebraei autem in uictimis pecorum, quas offerebant deo, multis et uariis modis, sicut re tanta dignum erat, prophetiam celebrabant. futurae uictimae, quam Christus obtulit. unde iam christiani peracti eiusdem sacrificii memoriam celebrant sacrosancta oblatione et participatione corporis et sanguinis Christi. Manichaei uero nescientes, quid damnandum sit in sacrificiis gentium et quid intellegendum in sacrificiis Hebraeorum et quid tenendum uel obseruandum in sacrificio christianorum, uanitatem suam sacrum offerunt diabolo, qui eos decepit recedentes a fide, intendentes spiritibus seductoribus et doctrinis daemoniorum in hypocrisi mendaciloquorum.

And yet I want you to tell me why you call all these things which you praise in yourselves by these names, so as to say temple, altar, sacrifice. For if these true things are not owed to the true God, why are they preached with praise in true religion? But if a true sacrifice is rightly owed to the true God, from which also divine honors are rightly so called, the other things called sacrifices are made in the likeness of a certain true sacrifice. These are partly imitations belonging to false and deceitful gods, that is, demons, who proudly demand divine honors for themselves from those whom they have deceived (such as all the things that are, or were, in the temples and idols of the Gentiles); partly foretellings of the one truest sacrifice to come, which was to be offered for the sins of all believers, such as were commanded by God to our ancient fathers, among which was also that mystical anointing by which Christ was prefigured, from which his very name is derived from chrism. So the true sacrifice, owed to the one true God, with which Christ alone filled his altar, the demons imitated in sacrifices of cattle and arrogantly demand for themselves. Hence the apostle says, “What the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God,” not blaming what was offered, but that it was offered to them. But the Hebrews, in the sacrifices of cattle which they offered to God in many and various ways, as befitted so great a matter, celebrated a prophecy of the future victim which Christ offered. Hence Christians now celebrate the memory of that same sacrifice, accomplished, by the most holy offering and participation of the body and blood of Christ. But the Manichaeans, not knowing what is to be condemned in the sacrifices of the Gentiles, what is to be understood in the sacrifices of the Hebrews, and what is to be held or observed in the sacrifice of Christians, offer their own vanity as a sacrifice to the devil, who deceived them as they departed from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, in the hypocrisy of liars.

1 Cor 10:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 10:12 (allusion, low confidence) · 1 Tim 4:1–2 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine explains that pagan sacrifices imitate, and Hebrew sacrifices foretold, the one true sacrifice of Christ, which Christians commemorate in offering and receiving his body and blood.

  • 1 Cor 10:20; 1 Tim 4:1–2. The name Christ (“anointed”) is connected with chrism (anointing oil).

Topics: Eucharist, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.18 (CSEL 25.1:558–559; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.19CSEL 25.1:559–560

Discat ergo Faustus uel potius illi, qui eius litteris delectantur, monarchiae opinionem non ex gentibus nos habere, sed gentes non usque adeo ad falsos deos esse delapsas, ut opinionem amitterent unius ueri dei, ex quo est omnis qualiscumque natura. sapientes enim eorum — quia, sicut dicit apostolus, inuisibilia dei a constitutione mundi per ea, quae facta sunt, intellecta conspiciuntur, sempiterna quoque uirtus eius ac diuinitas, ut sint inexcusabiles — cognoscentes deum non sicut deum honorificauerunt aut gratias egerunt, sed euanuerunt in cogitationibus suis et obscuratum est insipiens cor eorum; dicentes enim se esse sapientes stulti facti sunt et inmutauerunt gloriam incorruptibilis dei in similitudinem imaginis corruptibilis hominis et uolucrum et quadrupedum et serpentium. haec sunt enim simulacra gentium, in quibus interpretandis non habent exitum nisi ad creaturam, quam condidit deus, ut in ipsa quoque interpretatione simulacrorum, de qua se peritiores eorum iactare atque inflare consuerunt, hoc in eis fiat, quod paulo post idem apostolus dicit: coluerunt et seruierunt creaturae potius quam creatori, qui est benedictus in saecula. uos autem et in eo, quod eis dissimiles estis, uani estis, et in eo, quod eis similes estis, peiores estis. ad hoc enim non cum ipsis creditis monarchiam, quod illi uerum credunt, ut ipsius unius dei substantiam expugnabilem corruptibilemque credatis - quod est inpiae uanitatis — in pluribus autem diis colendis doctrina daemoniorum mendaciloquorum illis persuasit multa idola, uobis multa phantasmata.

So let Faustus learn, or rather those who delight in his writings, that we do not have the belief in one principle from the Gentiles, but that the Gentiles did not fall away to false gods so far as to lose the belief in the one true God, from whom is every nature of whatever kind. For their wise men, since, as the apostle says, “the invisible things of God are clearly seen from the creation of the world, being understood through the things that are made, his eternal power also and divinity, so that they are without excuse,” “knowing God, did not glorify him as God or give thanks, but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened; for, claiming to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of an image of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed beasts and serpents.” For these are the images of the Gentiles, in interpreting which they have no outlet except to the creature that God made; so that even in that interpretation of images, about which the more learned of them are accustomed to boast and puff themselves up, there happens in them what the same apostle says a little later: “They worshipped and served the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed for ever.” But you are both empty in that in which you are unlike them, and worse in that in which you are like them. For you do not believe in one principle with them, which they believe truly, to the end that you may believe that the substance of the one God himself can be overcome and corrupted, which is impious vanity; while in the worship of many gods, the doctrine of lying demons has persuaded them of many idols, and you of many phantasms.

Rom 1:20–23 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:25 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:1–2 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine replies that belief in one God did not come to Christians from the pagans; rather, pagan sages retained some knowledge of the one God but turned to worship of creatures, while the Manichaeans are worse still.

  • Rom 1:20–23, 25; 1 Tim 4:1–2.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slips: word split, u read as a, final letter lost): cor-. raptibilemqu → corruptibilemque.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.19 (CSEL 25.1:559–560; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.20CSEL 25.1:560–561

Nec sacrificia eorum uertimus. in agapes. sed sacrificium illud, quod paulo ante commemoraui, intelleximus dicente domino: misericordiam uolo quam sacrificium; agapes enim nostrae pauperes pascunt siue frugibus siue carnibus. pascitur enim creatura dei de creatura dei, quae hominis dapibus congrua est. uobis autem quia daemonia mendaciloqua persuaserunt non ad regendam carnem, sed ad exercendam blasphemiam abstinere a cibis, quos deus creauit ad percipiendum cum gratiarum actione fidelibus et his, qui cognouerunt ueritatem, quoniam omnis creatura dei bona est, et nihil abiciendum, quod cum gratiarum actione percipitur, ingrati creatori et pro largis eius beneficiis sacrilegas retribuentes iniurias, quoniam plerumque in agapibus etiam carnes pauperibus erogantur, misericordiam christianorum similem dicitis sacrificiis paganorum, quorum nonnullis in hoc quoque similes estis. propterea enim nefas habetis pecora occidi, quia humanas animas in ea reuolui arbitramini: quod in quorundam gentilium philosophorum libris inuenitur, quamquam a posterioribus aliter intellectum esse dicatur. uerum in hoc etiam multo deterius erratis; illi enim in pecore timuerunt trucidare proximum suum, uos autem deum uestrum, cuius membra esse etiam pecorum animas arbitramini.

Nor have we turned their sacrifices into love feasts; but we have understood that sacrifice which I mentioned a little earlier, as the Lord says, “I desire mercy rather than sacrifice.” For our love feasts feed the poor, whether with produce or with meat. For a creature of God is fed with a creature of God that is fit for human food. But because lying demons have persuaded you to abstain, not in order to govern the flesh but in order to practise blasphemy, from foods “which God created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful and by those who have known the truth, since every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected that is received with thanksgiving,” you, ungrateful to the creator and repaying his generous benefits with sacrilegious insults, since meat too is often given out to the poor at the love feasts, say that the mercy of Christians is like the sacrifices of the pagans; whereas you are like some of the pagans in this very point. For you hold it wicked for cattle to be killed because you think human souls are turned back into them, which is found in the books of certain Gentile philosophers, although it is said to have been understood otherwise by later ones. But in this too you err far worse; for they feared to slaughter their neighbor in the animal, but you fear to slaughter your God, whose members you think the souls of animals also are.

Hos 6:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 12:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:1–4 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine answers that Christian love feasts are works of mercy feeding the poor, and that the Manichaean refusal to kill animals resembles pagan belief in transmigration, only worse.

  • Hos 6:6 (Matt 9:13, 12:7); 1 Tim 4:1–4. Transmigration of souls into animals was taught by Pythagoreans and by Plato; “later ones” probably means the Neoplatonists, some of whom denied that human souls enter beasts.

Extrabiblical texts: Plato (Plato (works); allusion)

Topics: Heresy, Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.20 (CSEL 25.1:560–561; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).

20.21CSEL 25.1:561–565

Nam quod etiam hinc nobis calumniatur Faustus, quod martyrum memorias honoramus, in hoc dicens nos idola conuertisse, non tam me mouet, ut huic calumniae respondeam quam ut ipsum Faustum ostendam studio calumniandi etiam ab ipsius Manichaei uanitatibus exorbitare uoluisse et in uulgarem atque poeticam paganorum opinionem, a quibus se alienissimum cupit uideri, nescio quomodo incautum incidisse. cum enim dixisset nos uertisse idola in martyres — quos uotis, inquit, similibus colitis, defunctorum umbras uino placatis et dapibus — sunt ergo umbrae defunctorum? numquam hoc in uestris sermonibus audiuimus, numquam in litteris legimus; immo contradicere soletis talibus opinionibus, adserentes animas mortuorum malas minusue purgatas aut in reuolutiones ire aut in grauiores aliquas poenas, bonas autem in naues inponi et in caelo nauigantes transire hinc in illud phantasma terrae luminis, pro qua pugnando perierant; ita nullas animas circa suorum corporum sepulcra detineri. unde igitur umbrae defunctorum? quae substantia earum? qui locus? sed maledicendi cupiditate Faustus quid profiteretur, oblitus est; aut forte dormitans umbras somniando dictauit nec, cum uerba sua legeret, euigilauit. populus autem christianus memorias martyrum religiosa sollemnitate concelebrat et ad excitandam imitationem et ut meritis eorum consocietur atque orationibus adiuuetur, ita tamen, ut nulli martyrum, sed ipsi deo martyrum quamuis in memoriis martyrum constituamus altaria. quis enim antistitum in locis sanctorum corporum adsistens altari aliquando dixit: offerimus tibi, Petre aut Paule aut Cypriane, sed quod offertur, offertur deo, qui martyres coronauit, apud memorias eorum quos coronauit, ut ex ipsorum locorum admonitione maior adfectus exsurgat ad acuendam caritatem et in illos, quos imitari possumus, et in illum, quo adiuuante possimus. colimus ergo martyres eo cultu dilectionis et societatis, quo et in hac uita coluntur sancti homines dei, quorum cor ad talem pro euangelica ueritate passionem paratum esse sentimus; sed illos tanto deuotius, quanto securius post certamina omnia superata, quanto etiam fidentiore laude praedicamus iam in uita feliciore uictores quam in ista adhuc usque pugnantes. at illo cultu, quae graece Xatpsta dicitur, latine uno uerbo dici non potest, cum sit quaedam proprie diuinitati debita seruitus, nec colimus nec colendum docemus nisi unum deum. cum autem ad hunc cultum pertineat oblatio sacrificii, unde idolatria dicitur eorum, qui hoc etiam idolis exhibent, nullo modo tale aliquid offerimus aut offerendum praecipimus uel cuiquam martyri uel cuiquam sanctae animae uel cuiquam angelo; et quisquis in hunc errorem delabitur, corripitur per sanam doctrinam, siue ut corrigatur, siue ut caueatur. etiam ipsi enim sancti, uel homines uel angeli, exhiberi sibi nolunt, quod uni deo deberi norunt. adparuit hoc in Paulo et Barnaba, cum conmoti miraculis, quae per eos facta sunt, Lycaonii tamquam diis immolare uoluerunt — conscissis enim uestimentis suis confitentes et persuadentes se deos non esse ista sibi fieri uetuerunt —: adparuit et in angelis sicut in apocalypsi legimus angelum se adorari prohibentem ac dicentem adoratori suo: conseruus tuus sum et fratrum tuorum. ista sibi plane superbi spiritus exigunt, diabolus et angeli eius, sicut per omnia templa et sacra gentilium. quorum similitudo in quibusdam etiam superbis hominibus expressa est, sicut de Babyloniae quibusdam regibus memoriae commendatum tenemus. unde sanctus Danihel accusatores ac persecutores pertulit, quod regis edicto proposito, ut nihil a quoquam deo peteretur nisi a rege solo, deum suum, hoc est unum et uerum deum adorare deprecarique deprehensus est. qui autem se in memoriis martyrum inebriant, quomodo a nobis adprobari possunt, cum eos, etiamsi in domibus suis id faciant, sana doctrina condemnet? sed aliud est, quod docemus, aliud, quod sustinemus, aliud, quod praecipere iubemur, aliud, quod emendare praecipimur, et donec emendemus, tolerare conpellimur. alia est disciplina christianorum, alia luxuria uinolentorum uel error infirmorum. uerumtamen et in hoc ipso distant plurimum culpae uinolentorum et sacrilegorum. longe quippe minoris peccati est ebrium redire a martyribus quam uel ieiunum sacrificare martyribus. sacrificare martyribus dixi, non dixi: sacrificare deo in memoriis martyrum. quod frequentissime facimus illo dumtaxat ritu. quo sibi sacrificari noui testamenti manifestatione praecepit: quod pertinet ad illum cultum, quae latria dicitur et uni deo debetur. sed quid agam et tantae caecitati istorum haereticorum quando demonstrabo, quam uim habeat, quod in psalmis canitur: sacrificium laudis glorificabit me, et illic uia est, ubi ostendam illi salutare meum? huius sacrificii caro et sanguis ante aduentum Christi per uictimas similitudinum promittebatur, in passione Christi per ipsam ueritatem reddebatur, post ascensum Christi per sacramentum memoriae celebratur; ac per hoc tantum interest inter sacrificia paganorum et Hebraeorum, quantum inter imitationem errantem et praefigurationem praenuntiantem. sicut autem non ideo contemnenda uel detestanda est uirginitas sanctimonialium, quia et Uestales uirgines fuerunt, sic non ideo reprehendenda sacrificia patrum, quia sunt et sacrificia gentium.. quia, sicut inter illas uirginitates multum distat, quamuis nihil aliud distet, nisi quae cui uoueatur atque reddatur, sic inter sacrificia paganorum et Hebraeorum multum distat eo ipso, quod hoc solum distat, quae cui sint immolata et oblata: illa scilicet superbae inpietati daemoniorum id ipsum sibi ob hoc adrogantium, quo haberentur dii, quia diuinus honor est sacrificium; illa uero uni deo, ut ei offerretur similitudo promittens ueritatem sacrificii, cui erat offerenda ipsa reddita ueritas in passione corporis et sanguinis Christi.

As for Faustus slandering us on this score too, that we honor the shrines of the martyrs, saying that in this we have turned idols into martyrs, it does not move me so much to answer this slander as to show that Faustus himself, in his eagerness to slander, was willing to swerve even from the fancies of Mani himself, and fell unawares, somehow, into the common and poetic opinion of the pagans, from whom he wants to appear utterly removed. For when he had said that we turned idols into martyrs, “whom,” he says, “you worship with similar vows; you appease the shades of the dead with wine and feasts”: are there, then, shades of the dead? We have never heard this in your discourses, never read it in your writings; on the contrary, you usually contradict such opinions, asserting that the souls of the dead that are evil, or less purified, either go into revolutions or into some heavier punishments, while the good are put on board the ships and, sailing in the sky, pass from here into that phantasm of the land of light, for which they had perished in fighting; and so that no souls are kept around the tombs of their bodies. Where then do the shades of the dead come from? What is their substance? What is their place? But in his eagerness to revile, Faustus forgot what he professed; or perhaps, dozing, he dictated shades while dreaming, and did not wake up when he read his own words. The Christian people celebrate the shrines of the martyrs with religious solemnity, both to stir up imitation and to be joined with their merits and helped by their prayers; yet in such a way that we set up altars not to any of the martyrs, but to the God of the martyrs himself, although at the shrines of the martyrs. For which of the bishops, standing at the altar in the places of the holy bodies, has ever said, “We offer to you, Peter, or Paul, or Cyprian”? But what is offered is offered to God, who crowned the martyrs, at the shrines of those whom he crowned, so that from the reminder of the places themselves a greater feeling may arise to sharpen love both toward those whom we can imitate and toward him by whose help we can do so. So we honor the martyrs with that honor of love and fellowship with which holy men of God are honored in this life too, whose heart we perceive to be ready for such suffering for the truth of the gospel; but them the more devoutly, the more securely, now that all their contests have been overcome, and the more confidently we praise them as victors already in a happier life than those still fighting in this one. But with that worship which in Greek is called latreia, and which cannot be expressed in Latin by one word, since it is a certain service properly owed to the deity, we neither worship nor teach that anyone is to be worshipped except the one God. And since the offering of sacrifice belongs to this worship (hence the name idolatry for those who offer it to idols too), we in no way offer anything of the kind, or command it to be offered, either to any martyr or to any holy soul or to any angel; and whoever slips into this error is rebuked by sound doctrine, either so that he may be corrected or so that others may beware. For the saints themselves, whether men or angels, do not want to be given what they know is owed to the one God. This appeared in Paul and Barnabas, when the Lycaonians, moved by the miracles done through them, wanted to sacrifice to them as gods; tearing their garments, confessing and persuading them that they were not gods, they forbade these things to be done to them. It appeared also in the angels, as we read in the Apocalypse that an angel forbade himself to be adored and said to the one adoring him: “I am your fellow servant and of your brothers.” Plainly it is the proud spirits, the devil and his angels, who demand these things for themselves, as throughout all the temples and rites of the Gentiles. Their likeness is expressed also in certain proud men, as we have on record about certain kings of Babylon. Hence holy Daniel endured accusers and persecutors because, when the king’s edict had been published that nothing should be asked of any god but of the king alone, he was caught adoring and praying to his God, that is, the one and true God. As for those who get drunk at the shrines of the martyrs, how can they be approved by us, when sound doctrine condemns them even if they do it in their own houses? But what we teach is one thing, what we put up with is another; what we are commanded to prescribe is one thing, what we are commanded to amend is another, and until we amend it we are compelled to tolerate it. The discipline of Christians is one thing, the self-indulgence of drunkards or the error of the weak is another. And yet in this very point the faults of drunkards and of the sacrilegious are very far apart. For it is a far lesser sin to come back drunk from the martyrs than even to sacrifice fasting to the martyrs. I said “to sacrifice to the martyrs”; I did not say “to sacrifice to God at the shrines of the martyrs,” which we do very often, though only by that rite by which he commanded, in the manifestation of the New Testament, that sacrifice be offered to him; which belongs to that worship which is called latria and is owed to the one God. But what am I to do, and when shall I show to the great blindness of these heretics what force there is in what is sung in the psalms: “The sacrifice of praise will glorify me, and there is the way where I will show him my salvation”? The flesh and blood of this sacrifice were promised before the coming of Christ through victims of likenesses; in the passion of Christ they were rendered in the truth itself; after the ascension of Christ they are celebrated through the sacrament of remembrance. And so there is as much difference between the sacrifices of the pagans and those of the Hebrews as between an erring imitation and a foretelling prefiguration. And just as the virginity of consecrated women is not to be despised or detested because there were also Vestal virgins, so the sacrifices of the fathers are not to be blamed because there are also sacrifices of the Gentiles. For just as there is a great difference between those virginities, although they differ in nothing except to whom they are vowed and rendered, so there is a great difference between the sacrifices of the pagans and of the Hebrews in this very point, that they differ only in this, to whom they were sacrificed and offered: the former to the proud impiety of demons, who claim this very thing for themselves so that they may be held gods, because sacrifice is a divine honor; the latter to the one God, so that a likeness promising the truth of sacrifice might be offered to him to whom the truth itself was to be offered, rendered in the passion of the body and blood of Christ.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Acts 14:11–18 (allusion, high confidence) · Rev 19:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 22:9 (allusion, medium confidence) · Dan 6:7–13 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 50:23 (49:23 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine answers that Christians honor the martyrs with love and imitation, but offer sacrifice only to God at their shrines, tolerating but not approving drunkenness there.

  • The Greek word latreia is printed corruptly in the digital text (“Xatpsta”). Acts 14:11–18 (Paul and Barnabas at Lystra); Rev 19:10, 22:9; Dan 6:7–13; Ps 50:23 (49:23 Vulg.). The Manichaean teaching on the fate of souls (transmigration for the impure; the ships of sun and moon carrying the pure to the land of light) is as Augustine reports it.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip: o read as e): feliciere → feliciore.

Topics: Martyrdom, Eucharist, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.21 (CSEL 25.1:561–565; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-11/#p-20-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).