Against Faustus the Manichaean 20.22–21.9

Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.1 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Faustum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.1, 1891), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: NPNF 1/4: Reply to Faustus the Manichaean (Philip Schaff, ed., 1887).

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Chapter 20

20.22CSEL 25.1:565–566

Neque enim, sicut Faustus dixit, priores nostri Iudaei segregati a gentibus, cum templum haberent et immolationes et aras et sacerdotia, sculpturas solum dimiserunt, id est idola; poterant enim sicut nonnulli etiam sine idolorum sculpturis arboribus et montibus, postremo etiam soli ac lunae ceterisque sideribus immolare. quod si facerent per illum cultum, quae latria dicitur, creaturae potius quam creatori seruientibus et ob hoc non paruo malo inpiae superstitionis errantibus nihilominus daemonia se praeberent ad eos inludendos et ab eis sumenda, quae sic obtulissent. illi quippe superbi et inpii spiritus non nidore ac fumo, sicut nonnulli uani opinantur, sed hominum pascuntur erroribus: non sui corporis refectione, sed maliuola delectatione, cum quoquo modo decipiunt, uel adroganti fastu simulatae maiestatis cum diuinos sibi honores exhiberi gloriantur. non ergo illi patres nostri sola gentium simulacra dimiserunt, sed neque terrae neque cuiquam terrenae rei neque mari neque caelo neque militiae caeli aliquid immolantes uni deo creatori omnium uictimas obtulerunt: quas sibi offerri uoluit, per earum similitudinem promittens uictimam ueram, per quam nos sibi peccatorum remissione reconciliauit in Christo Iesu domino nostro, cuius capitis corpus effectos fideles Paulus adloquitur dicens: obsecro autem uos, fratres, per misericordiam dei, ut exhibeatis corpora uestra hostiam uiuam, sanctam, deo placentem. sed Manichaei corpora humana opificium dicunt esse gentis tenebrarum et carceres, quibus uictus inclusus est deus: unde longe aliud adnuntiat Faustus, aliud Paulus. sed quoniam quisquis nobis euangelizauerit praeterquam quod accepistis, anathema sit, uerum dicit Christus in Paulo, anathema sit Manichaeus in Fausto.

For it is not true, as Faustus said, that our predecessors the Jews, separated from the Gentiles, since they had a temple and sacrifices and altars and priesthoods, gave up only carved images, that is, idols. For they could, as some do even without carved idols, have sacrificed to trees and mountains, and finally even to the sun and moon and the other stars. If they had done this, with that worship which is called latria, serving the creature rather than the creator, and so erring in the no small evil of impious superstition, the demons would nonetheless have presented themselves to delude them and to take what they had offered in this way. For those proud and impious spirits are fed not by the savor and smoke, as some foolish people think, but by the errors of men: not by refreshment of their body, but by malevolent delight, when they deceive in any way whatever, or by the arrogant pride of a counterfeit majesty, when they boast that divine honors are paid to them. So our fathers did not give up only the images of the Gentiles; but, sacrificing nothing to the earth or to any earthly thing, nor to the sea, nor to the sky, nor to the host of heaven, they offered victims to the one God, creator of all, who willed them to be offered to him, promising through their likeness the true victim through whom he has reconciled us to himself by the forgiveness of sins in Christ Jesus our Lord; and Paul addresses the faithful, made the body of this head, saying: “I beseech you, brothers, by the mercy of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God.” But the Manichaeans say that human bodies are the handiwork of the race of darkness and prisons in which God, conquered, is shut up; hence Faustus proclaims one thing, Paul quite another. But since “whoever preaches to you a gospel other than what you have received, let him be accursed,” Christ speaks truly in Paul; let Mani be accursed in Faustus.

Rom 1:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 4:19 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 12:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 1:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:3 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine denies that the Jews kept pagan worship minus idols: they offered sacrifice only to the one Creator, prefiguring Christ, unlike demons who feed on human error.

  • Rom 1:25; Deut 4:19 (host of heaven); Rom 12:1; Gal 1:9; 2 Cor 13:3 (“Christ speaks in me”).

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.22 (CSEL 25.1:565–566; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-20-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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20.23CSEL 25.1:566–568

Qui etiam dicit nihil nos mutasse de moribus gentium nesciens, quid loquatur. cum enim iustus ex fide uiuat finisque praecepti sit caritas de corde puro et conscientia bona et fide non ficta maneantque ad formandam uitam fidelium tria haec: fides, spes, caritas: unde fieri potest, ut pares cum aliquo mores habeat, qui haec tria cum illo paria non habet? qui enim aliud credit, aliud sperat, aliud amat, necesse est, ut aliter uiuat. et si usus quarundam rerum similis uidetur nobis esse cum gentibus, sicut cibi et potus, tectorum. uestimentorum, lauacrorum, et qui ex nostris coniugalem uitam gerunt, uxorum ducendarum et habendarum, filiorum gignendorum, nutriendorum, hereditandorum, longe tamen aliter his rebus utitur, qui ad alium finem usum earum refert, et aliter, qui ex his deo gratias agit, de quo praua et falsa non credit. sicut enim in ipso errore uestro cum eo pane uescamini, quo ceteri homines, et fructibus uiuatis et fontibus. lana et lino similiter texto amiciamini. nec in his tamen parem ducitis uitam, non aliud edendo aut bibendo aut induendo, sed aliud sentiendo et credendo et ad alium finem ista omnia referendo, finem scilicet uestri erroris atque uanitatis: ita nos et in his et in aliis, quae similiter sumimus, non similiter cum gentibus uiuimus easdem res non ad eundem finem referendo, sed ad finem legitimi diuinique praecepti, caritatem de corde puro et conscientia bona et fide non ficta, a quibus quidam aberrantes conuersi sunt in uaniloquium. in quo sane principatum tenetis non intuentes, non considerantes in eisdem habendis agendisque rebus tantum ad diuersam uitam ualere, si diuersa sit fides. ut cum auditores uestri et uxores habeant et filios quamuis inuiti suscipiant eisque patrimonia congerant uel custodiant, carne uescantur, uinum bibant, lauent, metant, uindemient, negotientur, honores publicos administrent, uobiscum eos tamen, non cum gentibus conputetis, cum facta eorum gentibus uideantur similiora quam uobis. nam et quorundam facta gentilium cum magis uobis propinquent quam quibusdam auditoribus uestris — nonnulli quippe in sacrilegis sacris suis et a uino et a carnibus et a concubitu temperant — potius auditores uestros his omnibus utentes et in eo uobis dissimiles in Manichaei grege numeratis. quam istos eadem, quae facitis, facientes, potiusque feminam. quae in Manichaeum crediderit, uestram dicitis etiam parientem quam Sibyllam nec saltem nubentem. at enim multi christiani catholici uocantur et sunt adulteri, raptores, auari, ebriosi et quicquid aliud sanae doctrinae aduersatur. quid autem inter uos in tam exiguo ac paene nullo numero uestro nonne plerique sunt tales, et quidam in paganis non sunt tales? num ideo paganos, qui tales non sunt. dicitis meliores uobis? cum tamen propter sacrilegam uanitatem sectae uestrae etiam qui in uobis tales non sunt, paganis etiam talibus deteriores sint. unde manifestum est non ideo derogari sanae doctrinae, quae sola catholica est, quia multi eius nomine censeri uolunt et per illam sanari uolunt. agnoscenda est enim paucitas illa, quam dominus praecipue commendat in ingenti atque innumerabili multitudine toto orbe diffusa: quae tamen paucitas sanctorum atque fidelium, quod saepe commendandum est, tamquam granorum in conparatione multitudinis palearum paucitas dicitur, per se autem ipsam tantam massam frumenti facit, ut omnes probos et reprobos uestros, quos pariter ueritas reprobat, inconparabili multitudine superet. ecce non sumus gentium schisma, a quibus plurimum distamus in melius; sed nec uos hoc estis, quia plurimum ab eis distatis in peius.

He also says that we have changed nothing of the morals of the Gentiles, not knowing what he is saying. For since “the righteous lives by faith,” and “the end of the commandment is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and faith unfeigned,” and there remain for forming the life of the faithful these three, “faith, hope, love,” how can anyone have the same morals as someone with whom he does not share these three? For whoever believes something different, hopes for something different, loves something different, must live differently. And if the use of certain things seems to be the same for us as for the Gentiles, such as food and drink, houses, clothes, baths, and, for those of us who lead married life, taking and having wives, begetting, rearing, and leaving inheritances to children, yet the one who refers their use to a different end uses these things very differently, and so does the one who gives thanks for them to God, about whom he believes nothing wrong or false. For just as, in your very error, though you eat the same bread as other men, and live on fruits and springs, and are clothed in wool and linen woven alike, you still do not lead the same life in these things, not by eating or drinking or wearing something different, but by thinking and believing something different and referring all these things to a different end, namely the end of your error and vanity: so we too, both in these and in other things which we take alike, do not live alike with the Gentiles, since we refer the same things not to the same end, but to the end of the lawful and divine commandment, “love from a pure heart and a good conscience and faith unfeigned, from which some, straying, have turned aside to vain talk.” In this, indeed, you hold first place, not observing, not considering how much a different faith avails for a different life in having and doing the same things. So, although your hearers both have wives and take up children, however unwillingly, and amass or keep inheritances for them, eat meat, drink wine, bathe, reap, gather grapes, do business, hold public offices, you nevertheless count them with you and not with the Gentiles, although their deeds seem more like the Gentiles’ than yours. For although the deeds of certain Gentiles come nearer to yours than those of some of your hearers (for some of them, in their sacrilegious rites, abstain from wine and from meat and from intercourse), you count rather your hearers, who use all these things and in that are unlike you, in the flock of Mani, than those who do the same things that you do; and you call a woman who has believed in Mani yours rather, even if she bears children, than the Sibyl, who did not even marry. “But many are called catholic Christians who are adulterers, robbers, misers, drunkards, and whatever else is opposed to sound doctrine.” Well then, among you, in your so small and almost nonexistent number, are not many such, and are some among the pagans not such? Do you therefore say that pagans who are not such are better than you? Yet because of the sacrilegious vanity of your sect, even those among you who are not such are worse than pagans who are such. Hence it is clear that sound doctrine, which alone is catholic, is not discredited because many want to be reckoned under its name but do not want to be healed by it. For that fewness which the Lord especially commends is to be recognized within a huge and countless multitude spread throughout the whole world: a fewness of saints and faithful which, as must often be pointed out, is called few as the grains are few in comparison with the multitude of the chaff, but which in itself makes so great a mass of wheat that it surpasses by an incomparable multitude all your good and bad members alike, whom the truth rejects equally. See, we are not a schism of the Gentiles, from whom we differ very greatly for the better; but neither are you, since you differ from them very greatly for the worse.

Hab 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:5–6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:14 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine replies that Christians live differently from pagans because they believe, hope, and love differently, even when using the same things, and that the many bad catholics do not discredit catholic teaching.

  • Hab 2:4 (Rom 1:17); 1 Tim 1:5–6; 1 Cor 13:13; Matt 7:14, 22:14 (the few); Matt 3:12 (wheat and chaff). The Manichaean hearers lived ordinary lives in the world, unlike the elect. The objection about bad catholics is put in the Manichaeans’ mouth. The Sibyl was the legendary virgin prophetess. “Do not want to be healed”: the digital text reads “uolunt” (“want”), evidently for “nolunt”; translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip: h read as b): cbristiani → christiani.

Topics: Ethics, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.23 (CSEL 25.1:566–568; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-20-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 21

21.1CSEL 25.1:568–569

FAUSTUS dixit: Unus deus est, an duo? plane unus. quomodo ergo uos duos adseritis? numquam in nostris quidem adsertionibus duorum. deorum auditum est nomen. sed tu unde hoc suspicaris, cupio scire. quia bonorum et malorum duo principia traditis. est quidem, quod duo principia confitemur, sed unum ex his deum uocamus, alterum hylen, aut. ut communiter et usitate dixerim, daemonem. quodsi tu hoc putas duos significare deos, poteris et medico disputante de infirmitate atque sanitate duas easdem putare sanitates; et cum quis bonum nominat et malum, tu poteris eadem duo putare bona; et copiam audiens atque egestatem duas easdem putabis copias. quid? si et de albo et nigro disputante me et frigido et calido et dulci et amaro dicas, quia duo alba et duo calida et duo dulcia ostenderim, nonne uideberis mentis incompos et cerebri minime sani? sic et cum duo principia doceo, deum et hylen, non idcirco uideri iam debeo tibi duos ostendere deos. an quia uim omnem maleficam hyle adsignamus et beneficam deo, ut congruit, idcirco nihil interesse putas, an utrumque eorum uocemus deum? quod si ita est, poteris et uenenum audiens et antidotum nihil interesse putare, an utrumque uocetur antidotum, quia utrumque eorum uim suam habeat, utrumque agat aliquid et operetur. necnon et medicum audiens ac uenenarium utrosque uocabis medicos, et iustum audiens atque iniustum poteris utrosque uocare iustos, quia uterque eorum aliquid agat. quodsi hoc facere absurdum est, quanto absurdius deum et hylen idcirco duos putare deos, quia eorum quisque aliquid operetur? quapropter inepta haec et uiribus satis effeta argumentatio est, ut quia de re mihi respondere non possis, de solis nominibus confles inuidiam. nam nec diffiteor etiam interdum nos aduersam naturam nuncupare deum, sed non hoc secundum nostram fidem, uerum iuxta praesumptum iam in eam nomen a cultoribus suis, qui eam inprudenter existimant deum: quemadmodum et apostolus, deus, inquit, saeculi huius excaecauit mentes infidelium, deum quidem nominans, quia sic iam uocaretur a suis, sed adiciens, quod mentes excaecet, ut ex hoc intellegatur non esse uerus deus.

Faustus said: “Is there one God, or two?” Plainly one. “How then do you assert two?” Never in our assertions has the name of two gods been heard. But I should like to know from where you suspect this. “Because you teach two principles, of good and of evil.” It is true that we confess two principles, but one of them we call God, the other Hyle, or, to speak in common and usual terms, the demon. But if you think this means two gods, then when a physician discusses sickness and health you will be able to think they are two healths; and when someone names good and evil, you will be able to think they are two goods; and hearing of plenty and want, you will think they are two plenties. What then? If, when I discuss white and black, cold and hot, sweet and bitter, you were to say that I had shown two whites, two hots, and two sweets, would you not seem out of your mind and of a brain far from sound? So too, when I teach two principles, God and Hyle, I ought not on that account to seem to you to be showing two gods. Or, because we assign all harmful power to Hyle and all beneficial power to God, as is fitting, do you think on that account that it makes no difference whether we call both of them God? If so, hearing of poison and antidote, you will be able to think it makes no difference whether both are called antidote, because each has its own power, each does and works something. And hearing of a physician and a poisoner, you will call both physicians; and hearing of a just man and an unjust one, you will be able to call both just, because each of them does something. But if it is absurd to do this, how much more absurd to think God and Hyle two gods because each of them works something? Therefore this argument is silly and quite exhausted of strength: because you cannot answer me about the thing, you stir up ill will from names alone. For I do not deny that we too sometimes call the opposing nature “god,” but not according to our faith; rather, according to the name already applied to it by its worshippers, who imprudently think it a god; as the apostle too says, “The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers,” naming him god because he was already so called by his own, but adding that he blinds minds, so that it may be understood from this that he is not the true God.

2 Cor 4:4 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Faustus denies that the Manichaeans believe in two gods: they hold two principles, God and Hyle (the demon), and call the latter “god” only as its worshippers do.

  • The objections in quotation marks are the catholic questions Faustus answers. 2 Cor 4:4. Book 21 concerns the charge of two gods; Faustus’s view is translated as written.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (leaked book heading in the digital text; stray dash in the digital text): UICESIMUS. FAUSTUS → FAUSTUS; et - iustum → et iustum.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.1 (CSEL 25.1:568–569; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.2CSEL 25.1:569–571

AUGUSTINUS respondit: Duos quidem deos in uestris disputationibus solemus audire, quod etsi primo negasti, tamen paulo post etiam ipse confessus es quasi rationem reddens, cur hoc dicatis, quia et apostolus ait: deus saeculi huius excaecauit mentes infidelium. quam quidem sententiam plerique nostrum ita distingunt, ut uerum deum dicant excaecasse infidelium mentes. cum enim legerint: in quibus deus, suspendunt pronuntiationem; ac tunc inferunt: saeculi huius excaecauit mentes infidelium. quia etsi ita non distinguas, sed exponendi gratia ita uerborum ordinem mutes: in quibus deus excaecauit mentes infidelium saeculi huius. idem qui in illa distinctione sensus elucet. potest enim etiam talis operatio, qua excaecantur mentes infidelium, secundum quendam modum pertinere ad uerum deum. quod non facit malitia, sed iustitia, sicut idem Paulus alibi dicit: numquid iniquus deus, qui infert iram? item alibi: quid ergo dicemus? inquit; numquid iniquitas est apud deum? absit, Moysi enim dicit: miserebor, cui misertus ero. et misericordiam praestabo, cui misericors fuero. cum ergo praemisisset, quod inconcusse retinendum est. non esse iniquitatem apud deum, paulo post adtende, quid dicat: si autem uolens deus ostendere iram et demonstrare potentiam suam adtulit in multa patientia uasa irae. quae perfecta sunt in perditionem. et ut notas faceret diuitias gloriae suae in uasa misericordiae, quae praeparauit in gloriam et cetera. certe hic nullo modo dici potest alium deum esse, qui ostendit iram et demonstrat potentiam suam in uasis, quae perfecta sunt ad perditionem, et alium, qui ostendit diuitias in uasis misericordiae. nam unum eundemque deum facere utrumque apostolica doctrina testatur. hinc est et illud: propter hoc tradidit illos deus in concupiscentias cordis eorum, in inmunditiam, ut contumeliis adficiant corpora sua in semet ipsis; et paulo post: propterea tradidit illos deus in passiones ignominiae; item paulo post: et quoniam non probauerunt deum habere in notitia, tradidit illos deus in reprobum sensum. ecce quomodo uerus deus et iustus excaecat mentes infidelium. neque enim umquam in his apostoli uerbis, quae commemoraui, alius deus intellectus est quam ille, qui filium suum misit dicentem: in iudicium ueni in hunc mundum, ut qui non uident, uideant, et qui uident, caeci fiant. nam et hic satis adparet mentibus fidelium, quomodo deus excaecet mentes infidelium. praecedit enim aliquid occultum in occultis, ubi deus agat iustissimum examen iudicii sui, ut quorundam mentes excaecentur. quorundam inluminentur. cui uerissime dictum est: iudicia tua abyssus multa. cuius profunditatis inpenetrabilem altitudinem apostolus admiratus exclamat: o altitudo diuitiarum sapientiae et scientiae dei; quam inscrutabilia sunt iudicia eius et cetera.

Augustine replied: We do indeed often hear of two gods in your disputations; and although you denied it at first, a little later you yourself admitted it, as if giving the reason why you say so, because the apostle too says, “The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers.” Many of us punctuate this sentence so as to say that the true God has blinded the minds of unbelievers. For when they have read, “in whom God,” they pause in pronouncing it, and then add, “has blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world.” For even if you do not punctuate it so, but for the sake of explanation change the order of the words thus, “in whom God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world,” the same sense shines out as in that punctuation. For even such an operation, by which the minds of unbelievers are blinded, can in a certain way belong to the true God; it is not malice that does it, but justice, as the same Paul says elsewhere: “Is God unjust, who inflicts wrath?” And again elsewhere: “What then shall we say?” he says; “Is there injustice with God? By no means. For he says to Moses: I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will show compassion to whom I am compassionate.” Since, then, he had first laid down what must be held unshaken, that there is no injustice with God, notice what he says a little later: “But if God, wishing to show his wrath and to make known his power, endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction, and in order to make known the riches of his glory toward the vessels of mercy, which he prepared for glory,” and so on. Certainly here it can in no way be said that one God shows his wrath and makes known his power in the vessels made for destruction, and another shows his riches in the vessels of mercy. For the apostolic teaching testifies that one and the same God does both. Hence also this: “For this reason God gave them up to the desires of their heart, to uncleanness, so that they dishonor their bodies among themselves”; and a little later: “Therefore God gave them up to shameful passions”; and again a little later: “And since they did not see fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind.” See how the true and just God blinds the minds of unbelievers. For in these words of the apostle which I have quoted, no other God has ever been understood than the one who sent his Son, who says: “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” For here too it is clear enough to the minds of the faithful how God blinds the minds of unbelievers. For something hidden goes before, in hidden places, where God carries out the most just examination of his judgment, so that the minds of some are blinded and those of others enlightened; to whom it is most truly said: “Your judgments are a great deep.” Marveling at the impenetrable height of this depth, the apostle exclaims: “O the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments!” and so on.

2 Cor 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:14–15 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:22–23 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 9:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 36:6 (35:7 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:33 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine answers that 2 Cor 4:4 can be read of the true God, who in justice blinds unbelievers, citing Paul on God’s wrath and mercy.

  • 2 Cor 4:4 (Augustine discusses the punctuation of the Latin); Rom 3:5; Rom 9:14–15 (quoting Exod 33:19); Rom 9:22–23; Rom 1:24, 26, 28; John 9:39; Ps 36:6 (35:7 Vulg.); Rom 11:33.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the verb ending): inluminente → inluminentur.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.2 (CSEL 25.1:569–571; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.3CSEL 25.1:571–572

Uos autem non ualentes discernere, quid faciat deus beneficio, quid iudicio, quia et a corde et ab ore uestro longe est psalterium nostrum, ubi dicitur: misericordiam et iudicium cantabo tibi, domine, quicquid uos pro infirmitate humanae mortalitatis offenderit, alienatis omnino ab arbitrio et iudicio dei ueri uidelicet habentes paratum alterum deum malum, quem uobis non ueritas ostendit, sed uanitas fingit, cui tribuatis non solum quicquid facitis iniuste, uerum etiam quicquid patimini iuste, ita deo tribuentes beneficia donorum et ei auferentes iudicia poenarum, quasi de alio dixerit Christus, quod praeparauit ignem aeternum malis. quam de illo, qui facit solem suum oriri super bonos et malos et pluit super iustos et iniustos. unde hic tantam bonitatem et ibi tantam seueritatem ad unum pertinere deum non intellegitis, nisi quia misericordiam et iudicium cantare non nostis? nonne idem ipse, qui facit solem suum oriri super bonos et malos, et pluit super iustos et iniustos, frangit tamen ramos naturales et contra naturam inserit oleastrum? nonne de uno ipso illic dicit apostolus: uides ergo bonitatem et seueritatem dei: in eos quidem, qui fracti sunt, seueritatem, in te autem bonitatem, si permanseris in bonitate? nempe audistis, nempe aduertistis, quemadmodum nec deo auferat iudiciariam seueritatem nec homini liberam uoluntatem. occultum est, altum est, inaccessibili secreto ab humana cogitatione seclusum est, quemadmodum deus et damnet inpium et iustificet inpium; utrumque enim de illo scripturarum sanctarum ueritas loquitur. num igitur ideo aduersus diuina iudicia garrire delectat, quia sunt inscrutabilia? quanto conuenientius, quanto adcommodatius est modulo nostro expauescere illic, ubi Paulus expauit, et exclamare: o altitudo diuitiarum scientiae et sapientiae dei! quam inscrutabilia sunt iudicia eius et inuestigabiles uiae eius! quanto melius est ita mirari, quod inuestigare non sufficis. quam propterea uelle alterum deum malum fingere, quia unum bonum non potuisti conprehendere? non enim de nomine agitur, sed de opere.

But you, unable to distinguish what God does by kindness and what by judgment, because our psalter is far from your heart and from your mouth, where it is said, “Of mercy and judgment I will sing to you, Lord,” remove altogether from the decision and judgment of God whatever has offended you through the weakness of human mortality, having of course another, evil god ready, whom not truth shows you but vanity invents, to whom you attribute not only whatever you do unjustly but also whatever you suffer justly; thus attributing to God the benefits of his gifts and taking from him the judgments of punishment, as though Christ said that eternal fire was prepared for the wicked by another god than him “who makes his sun rise on the good and the evil and sends rain on the just and the unjust.” Why do you not understand that such goodness here and such severity there belong to one God, except because you do not know how to sing of mercy and judgment? Does not the same one who makes his sun rise on the good and the evil, and sends rain on the just and the unjust, nevertheless break off the natural branches and graft in the wild olive contrary to nature? Does not the apostle say there of the one God himself: “See then the goodness and severity of God: severity toward those who were broken off, but goodness toward you, if you remain in goodness”? Surely you have heard, surely you have noticed, how he neither takes from God his judicial severity nor from man his free will. It is hidden, it is deep, it is shut off from human thought in an unapproachable secret, how God both condemns the ungodly and justifies the ungodly; for the truth of the holy scriptures speaks of both concerning him. Does it delight you, then, to chatter against the divine judgments because they are unsearchable? How much more fitting, how much better suited to our measure, it is to be awestruck where Paul was awestruck, and to exclaim: “O the depth of the riches of the knowledge and wisdom of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out!” How much better to marvel at what you are not able to search out, than to want to invent another, evil god because you could not comprehend the one good God! For the question is not about the name, but about the work.

Ps 101:1 (100:1 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:41 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:45 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:17–24 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:5 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 11:33 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine says the Manichaeans invent an evil god because they cannot see that one God shows both mercy and judgment, goodness and severity.

  • Ps 101:1 (100:1 Vulg.); Matt 25:41; Matt 5:45; Rom 11:17–24; Rom 11:22; Rom 4:5 and Exod 23:7 (condemning and justifying the ungodly); Rom 11:33.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): exclamare:s o → exclamare: o.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.3 (CSEL 25.1:571–572; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.4CSEL 25.1:572–573

Nam cito uidetur Faustus se defendisse, cum ait: non dicimus duos deos, sed deum et hylen. porro autem cum quaesieris, quam dicat hylen, audies plane describi alterum deum. si enim materies informis corporalium formarum capax ab eis hyle appellaretur, quae appellata est ab antiquis, nemo eam nostrum coargueret dici deum. nunc uero quantus error est, quanta dementia uel materiem corporum dicere opificem corporum uel opificem corporum negare deum? quia ergo quod deus uerus facit, id est corporum, elementorum, animalium qualitates et formas, ut corpora, ut elementa, ut animalia sint, hoc uos dicitis nescio quem alterum facere. quolibet eum nomine uocitetis, recte dicimini errore uestro deum alterum inducere. in hac enim una re bis erratis errore sacrilego: semel quidem, quod ea, quae deus fecit, eum facere dicitis, quem deum fateri erubescitis — sed nullo modo efficietis, ut non sit deus, nisi eum talia facere negaueritis, qualia non facit nisi deus — iterum autem, quia ea, quae bonus deus bona facit, uos et a malo fieri et mala esse opinamini, puerili sensu horrentes, quae poenalis mortalitatis inbecillitati non congruunt, et amantes, quae congruunt. proinde malum dicitis, qui fecit colubrum, istum autem solem tam magnum bonum putatis, ut nec factum a deo, sed prolatum uel missum esse credatis. deus autem uerus, in quem nondum a uobis credi nimium doleo, et colubrum fecit inter alia inferiora et solem inter alia superiora et adhuc in sublimioribus non corporalibus caelestibus, sed iam in spiritalibus multa ista luce longe meliora, quae carnalis homo quilibet non percipit, quanto magis uos, qui cum carnem detestamini, nihil aliud quam uestram regulam detestamini, qua bona et mala metimini! neque enim potest in uobis esse cogitatio uel malorum, nisi qualibus carnalis sensus offenditur, uel bonorum, nisi qualibus carnalis acies oblectatur.

For Faustus seems to have defended himself quickly when he says, “We do not speak of two gods, but of God and Hyle.” But when you ask what he means by Hyle, you will hear plainly a description of another god. For if they called hyle the formless matter capable of bodily forms, as it was called by the ancients, none of us would charge them with calling it a god. As it is, how great an error, how great a madness it is either to call the matter of bodies the maker of bodies, or to deny that the maker of bodies is God! Since, then, what the true God does, namely the qualities and forms of bodies, elements, and living things, so that there are bodies, elements, and living things, you say some other being does, whatever name you call him by, you are rightly said by your error to bring in another god. For in this one matter you err twice with a sacrilegious error: once, in that you say that what God made is made by one whom you blush to confess as god (but you will in no way bring it about that he is not god, unless you deny that he makes such things as only God makes); and again, because you suppose that what the good God makes good is both made by an evil one and is evil, shuddering with a childish mind at what does not suit the weakness of penal mortality and loving what does suit it. So you call him evil who made the snake, but you think this sun so great a good that you believe it was not made by God but brought forth or sent out from him. But the true God, in whom I grieve exceedingly that you do not yet believe, made both the snake among other lower things and the sun among other higher ones, and, higher still, not bodily heavenly things but spiritual things far better than this light, which no carnal man perceives, much less you, who, when you detest the flesh, detest nothing other than your own rule by which you measure good and evil! For there can be in you no thought either of evils, except of the kind that offend the carnal sense, or of goods, except of the kind that delight the carnal eye.

1 Cor 2:14 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine argues that the Manichaean Hyle, as maker of bodies, is in effect a second god, and that they judge good and evil only by what pleases or offends the senses.

  • Augustine contrasts the philosophical sense of hyle (formless matter) with the Manichaean usage. 1 Cor 2:14 (the carnal man does not perceive).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (word split and stray marks in the digital text): subli-' mioribus → sublimioribus.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.4 (CSEL 25.1:572–573; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.5CSEL 25.1:573–575

Ut ergo ista in imo rerum opera dei, terrena. infirma, mortalia, sed tamen opera dei, qualia possumus uidere, considerem, ineffabiliter moueor laude creatoris illorum, qui prorsus ita magnus est in operibus magnis, ut minor non sit in minimis. ars enim diuina, qua caelestia et terrena opera fiunt, cum ea sint inter se dissimilia, ipsa in omnibus sui similis est, quia in suo quoque genere perficiendo ubique perfecta est. neque enim uniuersum condit in singulis, sed ad uniuersi conplexum condens singula, uniuersam se condendis praebet et singulis, omnia congruenter locis suis et ordinibus faciens atque disponens et omnibus particulariter atque uniuersaliter congrua tribuens. ecce hic in isto quasi fundo infimo uniuersae creaturae aspicite animalia, quae uolant et natant et gradiuntur et repunt. nempe mortalia sunt, nempe uita eorum, sicut scriptum est, uapor est ad modicum adparens. hunc enim modulum ab optimo conditore perceptum tamquam in commune conferunt uniuerso pro sui generis portione conplendo, ut cum istis imis sint omnia bona, in quibus sunt eis superna meliora. uerumtamen adtendite et date mihi unum quamlibet abiectissimum animal, cuius anima oderit carnem suam, ac non potius nutriat et foueat eam motuque uitali uegetet et regat et quodam modo administret pro sui generis exiguitate quoddam uniuersum suum ad incolumitatem tuendam sibi conciliatum. quod enim rationalis anima castigat corpus suum et seruituti subicit, ne inmoderato adpetitu terreno inpediatur perceptio sapientiae, etiam sic utique diligit carnem suam, quam sibi ad oboediendum legitime subdit atque ordinat. postremo uos ipsi quamuis carnali errore carnem detestemini, non potestis nisi diligere carnem uestram eiusque saluti et incolumitati consulere, omnes ictus et casus et intemperiem, qua laeditur, deuitare, munimenta uero et salubritatem, qua conseruatur, adpetere: ita ostenditis praeualere naturae legem contra erroris uestri opinionem.

So when I consider these works of God at the bottom of things, earthly, weak, mortal, yet works of God, such as we can see, I am moved beyond words to praise their creator, who is so great in great works that he is not less in the least. For the divine art by which heavenly and earthly works are made, though these are unlike one another, is itself like itself in all of them, because in perfecting each in its own kind it is everywhere perfect. For it does not make the universe in each single thing, but, making single things for the embrace of the universe, it offers itself whole both to the universe to be made and to single things, making and arranging all things fittingly in their places and orders, and giving what is fitting to all, both individually and universally. See here, at what is as it were the lowest floor of the whole creation, look at the living things that fly and swim and walk and creep. Surely they are mortal; surely their life, as it is written, is “a vapor that appears for a little while.” For they contribute this small measure, received from the best of founders, to the universe as to a common store, to fill it out according to the share of their kind, so that, with these lowest things, all things may be good, among which the higher are better than they. But pay attention, and give me a single animal, however abject, whose soul hates its flesh and does not rather nourish and cherish it, and quicken, rule, and in a way administer with vital motion, according to the smallness of its kind, a sort of universe of its own joined to it for preserving its safety. For when the rational soul chastises its body and brings it into subjection, so that the perception of wisdom may not be hindered by immoderate earthly appetite, even so it certainly loves its flesh, which it lawfully subjects and orders to obey it. Finally, you yourselves, although by a carnal error you detest the flesh, cannot but love your flesh and look after its health and safety, avoiding all the blows, falls, and bad weather by which it is harmed, and seeking the protection and health by which it is preserved; so you show that the law of nature prevails against the opinion of your error.

Jas 4:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 9:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 5:29 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine praises the Creator’s art even in the lowest mortal creatures and argues that every soul naturally loves its body, as even Manichaeans show by caring for their own flesh.

  • Jas 4:14; 1 Cor 9:27; Eph 5:29 (no one hates his own flesh).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (word split in the digital text): pror-. sus → prorsus.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.5 (CSEL 25.1:573–575; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.6CSEL 25.1:575

Quid in ipsa carne uitalia uiscera, totius formae conuenientia, membra operandi, uasa sentiendi locis atque officiis suis cuncta distincta et concordi unitate contexta moderatione mensurarum, parilitate numerorum, ordine ponderum nonne indicant artificem suum deum uerum, cui uere dictum est: omnia in mensura et numero et pondere disposuisti? si ergo cor non peruersum atque corruptum uanis fabulis haberetis, inuisibilia enim eius etiam per ista, quae in hac infima et carnali creatura facta sunt, intellecta conspiceretis. unde enim istis haec, quae commemoraui, nisi ab illo, cuius unitate omnis modus sistitur, cuius sapientia omnis pulchritudo formatur, cuius lege omnis ordo disponitur? quodsi ad ista intuenda oculum non habetis, apostolica uos ducat auctoritas.

What of the flesh itself: its vital organs, the harmony of its whole form, its members for working, its vessels for sensing, all distinguished by their places and offices and woven together in harmonious unity with moderation of measures, equality of numbers, and order of weights: do they not point to their maker, the true God, to whom it is truly said, “You have arranged all things in measure and number and weight”? If, then, you had a heart not perverted and corrupted by empty fables, you would clearly see his invisible things, understood even through these things that have been made in this lowest and fleshly creation. For from where do these things I have mentioned come to them, except from him by whose unity every measure is established, by whose wisdom every beauty is formed, by whose law every order is arranged? But if you have no eye to behold these things, let the authority of the apostle guide you.

Rom 1:20 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues that the order, measure, and harmony of the body point to the true God as its maker.

  • “You have arranged all things in measure and number and weight” is Wis 11:20 (11:21 Vulg.). Rom 1:20.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 11:20 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.6 (CSEL 25.1:575; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.7CSEL 25.1:575–576

Apostolus enim cum de sancta dilectione praeciperet, qualis esse debeat uirorum in uxores, ex anima amantis sumpsit exemplum. qui diligit, inquit, uxorem suam, se ipsum diligit; nemo enim umquam carnem suam odio habet, sed nutrit et fouet eam tamquam Christus ecclesiam. ecce in conspectu uestro est carnalis uniuersa substantia! uidete quemadmodum in omne animal sibi ad salutem conciliatum portendat naturae ista communio, ut diligat carnem suam; neque enim hoc in hominibus tantum est, qui cum recte uiuunt, non solum consulunt saluti carnis suae, uerum etiam carnales motus ad usum rationis edomant et refrenant, sed etiam bestiae fugiunt dolorem, formidant interitum; et quicquid illam membrorum conpagem copulamque carnis et spiritus a concordi iunctura disicere ac dirimere potest, quanta ualent agilitate, deuitant nutrientes etiam ipsae ac fouentes carnem suam. nemo enim umquam carnem suam odio habet, sed nutrit, inquit, ac fouet eam sicut et Christus ecclesiam. uidete, unde quo ascenderit; intuemini, si potestis, quam uim ducat a creatore creatura ab ipsis caelestibus adparatibus usque ad carnem et sanguinem uniuersitatis plenitudine terminata, formarum uarietate decorata, rerum gradibus ordinata.

For when the apostle was giving precepts about holy love, such as that of husbands for their wives ought to be, he took his example from the soul that loves. “He who loves his wife,” he says, “loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church.” See, the whole fleshly substance is before your eyes! See how this common bond of nature points every living thing, joined to itself for its safety, to love its own flesh. For this is not only so in men, who, when they live rightly, not only look after the safety of their flesh but also tame and rein in fleshly impulses to the use of reason; but beasts too flee pain and fear destruction, and whatever can break and sever that framework of members and that bond of flesh and spirit from its harmonious joining, they avoid with all the agility they have, they too nourishing and cherishing their own flesh. “For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes,” he says, “and cherishes it, as Christ also does the church.” See from where to where he has ascended; behold, if you can, what force the creature draws from the creator, from the heavenly structures themselves down to flesh and blood, bounded by the fullness of the universe, adorned by the variety of forms, ordered by the grades of things.

Eph 5:28–29 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine cites Paul’s teaching that no one hates his own flesh, showing that all living things naturally love and cherish their bodies.

  • Eph 5:28–29.

Topics: Marriage

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.7 (CSEL 25.1:575–576; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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21.8CSEL 25.1:576–578

Rursus idem apostolus cum de spiritalibus diuersis muneribus et tamen ad unitatem consonis rem plane magnam et diuinam et abditam nos doceret, de ista ipsa carne nostra similitudinem dedit, cuius artificem deum, cum haec loqueretur, omnino non tacuit. quod etsi longum est, tamen, quia ualde necessarium, totum ipsum locum ex eius ad Corinthios epistula huic operi me inserere non pigebit. de spiritalibus autem nolo uos ignorare, fratres. scitis, quando gentes eratis, ad simulacra sine uoce quomodo ascendebatis inducti. propter quod notum facio uobis, quia nemo in spiritu dei loquens dicit anathema Iesu, et nemo potest dicere dominus Iesus nisi in spiritu sancto. diuisiones autem donationum sunt, idem autem spiritus; et diuisiones ministrationum sunt idem ipse dominus; et diuisiones operationum sunt, idem uero deus, qui omnia operatur in omnibus. unicuique autem datur manifestatio spiritus ad utilitatem: alii quidem datur per spiritum sermo sapientiae, alii sermo scientiae secundum eundem spiritum, alteri autem fides in eodem spiritu, alii donatio curationum in uno spiritu, alii operationes uirtutum; alii prophetia, alii diiudicatio spirituum, alii genera linguarum, alii interpretatio linguarum: omnia autem haec operatur unus atque idem spiritus diuidens propria unicuique prout. uult. sicut enim corpus unum est et membra habet multa, omnia autem membra corporis cum sint multa, unum est corpus, ita et Christus. etenim in uno spiritu nos omnes in unum corpus baptizati sumus, siue Iudaei siue Graeci siue serui siue liberi; et omnes unum spiritum potauimus. etenim corpus non est unum membrum, sed multa. si dixerit pes: quia non sum manus, non sum de corpore, num ideo non est de corpore? uel si dixerit auricula: quia non sum oculus, non sum de corpore. num ideo non est de corpore? et si totum corpus oculus, ubi auditus? si totum auditus, ubi odoratus? nunc autem posuit deus membra singula, unum quodque eorum in corpore prout uoluit. si autem fuissent omnia unum membrum, ubi corpus? nunc autem multa membra, unum autem corpus. non potest autem dicere oculus manui: opus te non habeo, aut iterum caput pedibus: opus uobis non habeo, sed multo magis, quae uidentur membra corporis infirmiora esse, necessaria sunt; et quae uidentur uiliora esse corporis, his abundantiorem honorem circumponimus; et quae inhonesta sunt nostra, abundantiorem honestatem habent; quae autem honesta sunt nostra, non opus habent. sed deus temperauit corpus ei. cui deerat, maiorem honorem dans, ut non esset scissura in corpore, sed idem ipsum, ut pro inuicem sollicita sint membra; et siue patitur unum membrum, conpatiuntur omnia membra; siue glorificatur unum membrum, congaudent omnia membra. si ulla non dico fides christiana, ut credatis apostolo, sed ullus sensus humanus in uobis est, ut manifesta cernatis, unusquisque in semet ipso ista uideat atque consideret, quam uera, quam certa sint, quam in paruo magna et in extremo quam bona, quandoquidem ista in laude ponit apostolus, ut per haec infirma corporalia, quae uidentur, possint facilius illa sublimia spiritalia, quae non uidentur, intellegi.

Again, when the same apostle was teaching us something plainly great, divine, and hidden about spiritual gifts, diverse yet harmonizing in unity, he gave a likeness drawn from this very flesh of ours; and while saying this he by no means kept silent that God is its maker. Although the passage is long, yet because it is very necessary I shall not be reluctant to insert the whole of it from his letter to the Corinthians into this work. “Concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. You know that when you were Gentiles, you went up to voiceless images, led as you were. Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking in the Spirit of God says ‘Anathema Jesus,’ and no one can say ‘Lord Jesus’ except in the Holy Spirit. Now there are divisions of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are divisions of ministries, and the same Lord; and there are divisions of workings, but the same God, who works all things in all. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good: to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith in the same Spirit, to another the gift of healings in the one Spirit, to another the workings of powers, to another prophecy, to another the discernment of spirits, to another kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues: but one and the same Spirit works all these, dividing to each his own as he wills. For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free; and we were all given to drink of one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot should say, ‘Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body,’ is it therefore not of the body? Or if the ear should say, ‘Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,’ is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the smelling be? But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body as he willed. If they were all one member, where would the body be? But now there are many members, yet one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I have no need of you,’ nor again the head to the feet, ‘I have no need of you’; but much more, those members of the body that seem to be weaker are necessary; and those of the body that seem to be less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor; and our unseemly parts have more abundant seemliness, while our seemly parts have no need. But God has tempered the body together, giving greater honor to the part that lacked, so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another; and if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is glorified, all the members rejoice with it.” If there is in you, I do not say any Christian faith, so that you believe the apostle, but any human sense, so that you perceive what is plain, let each one see and consider these things in himself: how true, how certain they are, how great in what is small, how good in what is lowest; since the apostle sets these things in a place of praise, so that through these weak bodily things which are seen, those sublime spiritual things which are not seen may be more easily understood.

1 Cor 12:1–26 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine quotes in full Paul’s image of the body and its members, in which God is said to have arranged and tempered the body.

  • 1 Cor 12:1–26.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray marks in the digital text): dominus' Iesus' → dominus Iesus.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.8 (CSEL 25.1:576–578; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).

21.9CSEL 25.1:578–580

Horum ergo membrorum et corporis nostri, quae sic commendat, sic laudat apostolus, quisquis artificem deum negat, uidetis. cui contradicat adnuntians nobis praeter id, quod accepimus. quid igitur opus est, ut a me redarguatur potius quam ab omnibus christianis anathemetur? dicit apostolus: deus temperauit corpus, et dicit iste: "hyle, non deus." quid apertius his inimicitiis ante anathemandis quam refellendis? numquid et hic apostolus, cum diceret: deus, addidit: huius saeculi? ubi etiam si quis diabolum intellexerit excaecare mentes infidelium, non negamus, malis suasionibus; quibus qui consentiunt, iustitiae lumen amittunt deo retribuente quod iustum est. haec omnia legimus in scripturis sanctis. nam et illud dictum est de seductione extrinsecus ueniente: timeo, ne, sicut serpens Euam seduxit in uersutia sua, ita corrumpantur mentes uestrae a simplicitate et castitate, quae est in Christo. cui simile est: corrumpunt mores bonos conloquia mala, et illud, quod et sibi quisque seductor sit: qui autem putat se esse aliquid, cum nihil sit, se ipsum seducit, et illud de dei uindicta, quod supra commemoraui: tradidit illos deus in reprobum sensum, ut faciant, quae non conueniunt. ita et in ueteribus libris, cum praedixisset: deus mortem non fecit nec laetatur in perditione uiuorum, paulo post, inuidia, inquit, diaboli mors introiuit in orbem terrarum. et rursus de ipsa morte, ne se homines extra culpam ponerent, inpii autem manibus et uerbis, inquit, arcessierunt illam et existimantes illam amicam defluxerunt; alibi autem: bona et mala, uita et mors, diuitiae et paupertas a domino deo sunt. hic perturbati homines non intellegunt in uno eodemque opere malo non postea consequente alia, quae manifesta erit, sed quadam continuo comitante uindicta aliud uenire de astutia suadentis, aliud de nequitia uolentis, aliud de iustitia punientis: cum diabolus suggerit, homo consentit, deus deserit. quocirca in opere malo, id est excaecatione infidelium, si intellegatur et diabolus propter suadendi malignitatem, ut sic distinguatur: deus huius saeculi, non mihi uidetur absurdum. neque enim sine additamento dicitur deus, cum adiungitur huius saeculi, id est hominum inpiorum non nisi in hoc saeculo florere uolentium; secundum quod dicitur et malum saeculum, sicut scriptum est: ut eximeret nos de praesenti saeculo maligno. tale est enim et illud: quorum deus uenter; nisi esset ibi quorum, nullo modo diceret: deus uenter. nec in psalmo daemonia possent dii appellari, nisi adderetur gentium; sic enim scriptum est: quoniam dii gentium daemonia. hic autem nec deus huius saeculi nec quorum deus uenter nec dii gentium daemonia, sed simpliciter positum est: deus temperauit corpus; qui non potest intellegi nisi deus uerus omnium creator. illa enim cum uituperatione dicuntur, hoc autem cum laude dictum est. nisi forte deum temperasse corpus non dispositione membrorum, hoc est fabricando et construendo, sed admixtione lucis suae Faustus intellegit, ut scilicet haec membra ita distincta et locata suis sedibus alter posuerit, qui hoc fabricauit, deus autem miscendo bonitatem suam huius fabricae malitiam temperauerit. talibus enim fabulis pueriles animas hebetant; sed neque hoc eos posse dicere permisit subueniens deus paruulis per ora sanctorum. habes enim et paulo superius: deus posuit membra singula. unum quodque eorum in corpore prout uoluit. quis iam non intellegat secundum hoc deum dictum temperatorem corporis, quod ex multis membris corpus fabricauit officia diuersorum operum in unitatis conpage seruantibus?

So you see whom he contradicts who denies that God is the maker of these members and of our body, which the apostle so commends and praises, proclaiming to us something other than what we have received. What need is there, then, for him to be refuted by me rather than anathematized by all Christians? The apostle says, “God tempered the body,” and this man says, “Hyle, not God.” What is plainer than these enmities, to be anathematized before they are refuted? Did the apostle here too, when he said “God,” add “of this world”? There, even if someone understands that the devil blinds the minds of unbelievers, we do not deny it, by evil persuasions; and those who consent to them lose the light of justice, God repaying what is just. All these things we read in the holy scriptures. For this too was said of seduction coming from outside: “I fear lest, as the serpent seduced Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity and chastity that is in Christ.” Like this is: “Evil conversations corrupt good morals.” And this, that each one may be his own seducer: “But whoever thinks he is something, when he is nothing, deceives himself.” And this about God’s punishment, which I mentioned above: “God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do what is not fitting.” So too in the old books, after saying first, “God did not make death, nor does he delight in the destruction of the living,” a little later it says, “Through the envy of the devil death entered the world.” And again about death itself, lest men should put themselves outside blame: “But the ungodly,” it says, “summoned it by their hands and words, and thinking it a friend they wasted away”; and elsewhere: “Good things and bad, life and death, riches and poverty, are from the Lord God.” Here confused men do not understand that in one and the same evil work, not by another punishment following later, which will be manifest, but by a certain punishment accompanying it at once, one thing comes from the cunning of the persuader, another from the wickedness of the one who wills, another from the justice of the one who punishes: the devil suggests, man consents, God abandons. Therefore in the evil work, that is, the blinding of unbelievers, if the devil too is understood because of the malice of his persuasion, so that it is punctuated thus, “the god of this world,” it does not seem to me absurd. For he is not called god without an addition, since “of this world” is added, that is, of ungodly men who want to flourish only in this world; in which sense the world is also called evil, as it is written: “to rescue us from the present evil world.” For of the same kind is this: “whose god is the belly”; if “whose” were not there, he would in no way say “god is the belly.” Nor could demons be called gods in the psalm unless “of the nations” were added; for so it is written: “For the gods of the nations are demons.” But here it is neither “the god of this world,” nor “whose god is the belly,” nor “the gods of the nations are demons,” but it is stated simply, “God tempered the body”; and this can be understood only of the true God, creator of all. For those things are said with reproach, but this is said with praise. Unless perhaps Faustus understands that God tempered the body not by the arrangement of the members, that is, by fashioning and constructing, but by the admixture of his light: namely, that another, who fashioned it, placed these members so distinguished and located in their seats, while God, by mixing in his goodness, tempered the malice of this structure. For with such fables they dull childish minds; but God, coming to the aid of little ones through the mouths of the saints, has not allowed them to say even this. For you have also a little earlier: “God placed the members, each one of them, in the body as he willed.” Who now would not understand that God is called the tempering maker of the body in this sense, that he fashioned the body from many members which keep the offices of different works within the framework of unity?

1 Cor 12:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 1:9 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:33 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 6:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 1:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 3:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 96:5 (95:5 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:18 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues that “God tempered the body” must mean the true Creator, and allows that “the god of this world” may mean the devil only because of its qualifying phrase.

  • 1 Cor 12:24; Gal 1:9; 2 Cor 4:4; 2 Cor 11:3; 1 Cor 15:33 (a line of Menander quoted by Paul); Gal 6:3; Rom 1:28; Gal 1:4; Phil 3:19; Ps 96:5 (95:5 Vulg., where the Latin reads “demons”); 1 Cor 12:18. From the old books: Wis 1:13; Wis 2:24; Wis 1:16; Sir 11:14.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:13 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 2:24 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 1:16 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Sir 11:14 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Menander (Menander (fragments); quotation)

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 21.9 (CSEL 25.1:578–580; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/20-22/#p-21-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).