Against Faustus the Manichaean 19.30–20.10
Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.1 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Faustum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.1, 1891), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: NPNF 1/4: Reply to Faustus the Manichaean (Philip Schaff, ed., 1887).
Chapter 19
19.30CSEL 25.1:533–535
Quapropter cum omnia illa excellentia praecepta domini, quae ueteribus Hebraeorum libris contraria Faustus uolebat ostendere, in eisdem quoque libris inueniantur, unde uenit dominus legem non soluere sed adinplere, nisi ut exceptis promissorum figuris, quae reddita ueritate adinpletae atque sublatae sunt, ipsa quoque praecepta, per quae lex illa sancta et iusta et bona est, non per uetustatem litterae iubentis et delicta superborum reatu etiam praeuaricationis augentis, sed per nouitatem spiritus adiuuantis et humilium confessionem salutis gratia liberantis inplerentur in nobis? quia reuera, sicut omnia ista praecepta sublimia nec illis libris ueteribus desunt, ita illic finis, quo referantur, occultus est, quamuis secundum eum uiuerent sancti, qui futuram eius reuelationem uidebant et pro temporum proprietate uel prophetice tegebant uel prophetice tectum sapienter intellegebant..31. Denique — quod non temere dixerim — nescio utrum quisquam in illis libris inuenit nomen regni caelorum, quod tam crebro nominat dominus. dicitur quidem ibi: diligite sapientiam, ut in aeternum regnetis. et ipsa uita aeterna si non illic in manifesto praedicaretur, non diceret dominus etiam malis Iudaeis: scrutamini scripturas, in quibus putatis uos uitam aeternam habere; ipsae testimonium perhibent de me. quo enim nisi ad hoc pertinet, quod ibi scriptum est: non moriar, sed uiuam et enarrabo opera domini et: inlumina oculos meos, ne umquam obdormiam in mortem et: iustorum animae in manu dei sunt, et non tanget illos tormentum et paulo post: illi autem sunt in pace; et si coram hominibus tormenta passi sunt, spes illorum inmortalitate plena est; et in paucis uexati in multis bene disponentur et alio loco: iusti autem in perpetuum uiuent et apud dominum est merces eorum et cogitatio eorum apud altissimum; ideo accipient regnum decoris et diadema speciei de manu domini? haec et alia multa siue apertissima siue subobscura inueniuntur illic testimonia uitae aeternae. et de ipsa corporum resurrectione non tacuerunt prophetae. unde pharisaei aduersum Sadducaeos eam non credentes acerrime confligebant: quod non solum in actibus apostolorum canonicis, quos isti non accipiunt, ne de aduentu ueri paracleti, quem promisit dominus, conuincantur, euidenter adparet, uerum etiam in euangelio. ubi ei proponunt Sadducaei quaestionem de muliere, quae septem fratribus singulatim nupserat, cum in eius conubium alter alteri morienti succederet. cuiusnam eorum in resurrectione uxor esset futura. proinde testimoniis uitae aeternae et resurrectionis mortuorum abundat illa scriptura; sed hoc nomen, id est regnum caelorum, de nullo inde loco mihi occurrit. hoc enim proprie pertinet ad reuelationem noui testamenti, quia ea corpora, quae terrena fuerant, mutatione illa, quam Paulus apertius commemorat, in resurrectione fient spiritalia ac per hoc caelestia, in quibus possideamus regnum caelorum. quod ori eius etiam nominandum seruabatur, quem regem ad regendos et sacerdotem ad sanctificandos fideles suos uniuersus ille adparatus ueteris instrumenti in generationibus, factis, dictis, sacrificiis, obseruationibus, festiuitatibus omnibusque eloquiorum praeconiis et rebus gestis et rerum figuris parturiebat esse uenturum: qui plenus gratia et ueritate et ad praecepta facienda adiuuando per gratiam et promissa inplenda curando per ueritatem uenit legem non soluere sed adinplere.
Therefore, since all those excellent precepts of the Lord which Faustus wished to show were contrary to the old books of the Hebrews are found in those same books, from what did the Lord come not to abolish the law but to fulfil it, except that, apart from the figures of the promises, which were fulfilled and removed when the truth was rendered, the very precepts too, through which that law is holy and just and good, might be fulfilled in us, not through the oldness of the letter, which commands and increases offenses by adding the guilt of transgression to the proud, but through the newness of the Spirit, who helps, and of grace, which sets free for salvation the humble who confess? For in truth, just as all these sublime precepts are not lacking in those old books, so the end to which they are to be referred is hidden there, although the saints lived according to it, who saw its future revelation and, according to the character of their times, either veiled it prophetically or wisely understood what was prophetically veiled. 31. Finally (and I would not say it rashly), I do not know whether anyone has found in those books the name “kingdom of heaven,” which the Lord names so often. It is indeed said there: “Love wisdom, that you may reign for ever.” And if eternal life itself were not openly proclaimed there, the Lord would not say even to the wicked Jews: “Search the scriptures, in which you think you have eternal life; they bear witness to me.” For to what else does it refer that is written there: “I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord”; and, “Enlighten my eyes, lest I ever sleep in death”; and, “The souls of the righteous are in the hand of God, and torment shall not touch them”; and a little later: “But they are in peace; and though in the sight of men they suffered torments, their hope is full of immortality; and having been troubled a little, they will be greatly rewarded”; and in another place: “But the righteous will live for ever, and their reward is with the Lord, and their care with the Most High; therefore they will receive the kingdom of glory and the crown of beauty from the hand of the Lord”? These and many other testimonies of eternal life, some very plain, some somewhat obscure, are found there. And the prophets were not silent about the resurrection of bodies itself. Hence the Pharisees fought very fiercely against the Sadducees, who did not believe in it; this appears plainly not only in the canonical Acts of the Apostles, which these people do not accept, lest they be refuted about the coming of the true Paraclete whom the Lord promised, but also in the gospel, where the Sadducees put to him the question about the woman who had married seven brothers one after another, as each succeeded the other in marriage to her when he died: whose wife would she be in the resurrection? So that scripture abounds in testimonies of eternal life and of the resurrection of the dead; but this name, that is, “kingdom of heaven,” does not occur to me from any place there. For this belongs properly to the revelation of the New Testament, because those bodies which had been earthly will, by that change which Paul mentions more openly, become spiritual in the resurrection, and therefore heavenly, in which we may possess the kingdom of heaven. This was kept to be named even by the mouth of him whom that whole apparatus of the old instrument, in generations, deeds, sayings, sacrifices, observances, festivals, and all the proclamations of its oracles, its events, and the figures of things, was in labor to bring forth as the one to come, as king to rule and priest to sanctify his faithful: he who, full of grace and truth, both helping to do the precepts by grace and taking care to fulfil the promises by truth, came not to abolish the law but to fulfil it.
Rom 7:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 7:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 5:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 118:17 (117:17 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 13:3 (12:4 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 23:6–8 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:23–28 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:51–52 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 1:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:17 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine sums up that Christ fulfilled the law by grace and truth, and notes that the Old Testament teaches eternal life and resurrection but never names the “kingdom of heaven,” which belongs to the New Testament.
- This staged section also contains chapter 31, which the edition numbers separately (“31.”); it is translated here with its number. Rom 7:12; Rom 7:6 (oldness of the letter, newness of the Spirit); John 5:39; Ps 118:17 (117:17 Vulg.); Ps 13:3 (12:4 Vulg.); Acts 23:6–8; Matt 22:23–28; 1 Cor 15:51–52; John 1:14. “Love wisdom, that you may reign for ever” is Wis 6:21; the souls of the righteous, Wis 3:1–5; “the righteous will live for ever”, Wis 5:15–16.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 6:21 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 3:1–5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 5:15–16 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Eschatology, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 19.30 (CSEL 25.1:533–535; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-19-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 20
20.1CSEL 25.1:535–536
FAUSTUS dixit: Cur solem colitis, nisi quia estis pagani et gentium schisma, non secta? igitur non ab re fuerit et hoc ipsum quaerere, quo manifestius uidere possimus, utrum nostrum hoc nomine debeat appellari. et quidem si tibi fidem meam nunc simpliciter, ut in amicis. referam, uidear fortasse excusationis causa id fingere aut diuinorum, quod absit, luminum erubescere culturam. sed tu quidem, utcumque uolueris, accipe: me tamen dixisse non paenitebit uel propter aliquos, qui hactenus scire habebunt religionem nostram nihil cum gentibus habere commune.
Faustus said: “Why do you worship the sun, unless because you are pagans and a schism of the Gentiles, not a sect?” It will not be out of place to examine this point too, so that we may see more clearly which of us ought to be called by this name. And indeed, if I were now to set out my faith to you simply, as among friends, I might perhaps seem to be inventing it by way of excuse, or to be ashamed, God forbid, of the worship of the divine lights. But take it as you please; I shall not regret having said it, at least for the sake of some who will thus come to know that our religion has nothing in common with the Gentiles.
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Summary: Faustus takes up the charge that the Manichaeans worship the sun and are a schism of the pagans, promising to show that their religion has nothing in common with the Gentiles.
- Book 20 concerns the Manichaean veneration of the sun and moon; Faustus’s defence is translated as he wrote it.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.1 (CSEL 25.1:535–536; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.2CSEL 25.1:536–537
Igitur nos patris quidem dei omnipotentis et Christi filii eius et spiritus sancti unum idemque sub triplici appellatione colimus numen; sed patrem quidem ipsum lucem incolere credimus summam ac principalem, quam Paulus alias inaccessibilem uocat, filium uero in hac secunda ac uisibili luce consistere. qui quoniam sit et ipse geminus, ut eum apostolus nouit Christum dicens esse dei uirtutem et dei sapientiam, uirtutem quidem eius in sole habitare credimus, sapientiam uero in luna. necnon et spiritus sancti, qui est maiestas tertia, aeris hunc omnem ambitum sedem fatemur ac diuersorium; cuius ex uiribus ac spiritali profusione terram quoque concipientem gignere patibilem Iesum, qui est uita ac salus hominum, omni suspensus ex ligno. quapropter et nobis circa uniuersa et uobis similiter erga panem et calicem par religio est, quamuis eorum acerrime oderitis auctores. haec nostra fides est: de qua si quaerendum alias putaueris, audies quamuis nec illud ad praesens minus firmum sit argumentum, quod uel tu uel quilibet alius rogatus, ubinam deum suum credat habitare, respondere non dubitabit: in lumine. ex quo cultus hic meus omnium paene testimonio confirmatur.
We, then, worship one and the same deity under a threefold name, of God the almighty Father, and of Christ his Son, and of the Holy Spirit. But we believe that the Father himself dwells in the highest and principal light, which Paul elsewhere calls “unapproachable,” and that the Son abides in this second and visible light. And since he too is twofold, as the apostle knows him when he says that Christ is “the power of God and the wisdom of God,” we believe that his power dwells in the sun and his wisdom in the moon. We also confess that this whole compass of the air is the seat and lodging of the Holy Spirit, who is the third majesty; and that from his powers and spiritual outpouring the earth too conceives and brings forth the suffering Jesus, who is the life and salvation of men, hanging from every tree. Therefore we have toward all things, and you likewise toward the bread and the cup, an equal reverence, although you hate their authors most bitterly. This is our faith; if you think it should be inquired into elsewhere, you will hear of it; although for the present this argument too is no less firm: that you, or anyone else, if asked where he believes his God dwells, will not hesitate to answer, “In light.” From this my worship is confirmed by the testimony of almost everyone.
1 Tim 6:16 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Faustus sets out the Manichaean creed: one deity, the Father in the highest light, the Son’s power in the sun and wisdom in the moon, the Spirit in the air, and the suffering Jesus hanging from every tree.
- 1 Tim 6:16; 1 Cor 1:24. The “suffering Jesus” (Iesus patibilis) is the Manichaean name for the particles of light held captive in the created world, especially in plants (“hanging from every tree”). Faustus compares Manichaean reverence for all things to catholic reverence for the bread and cup of the eucharist, “Although you hate their authors” probably means the Manichaeans, who revere the divine element in all things, as the bread and cup are revered by catholics; the reference is uncertain. Translated as written.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.2 (CSEL 25.1:536–537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.3CSEL 25.1:537
Sed nunc ad illud. quia nos non sectam, sed schisma gentium nuncupasti. schisma, nisi fallor, est eadem opinantem atque eodem ritu colentem quo ceteri solo congregationis delectari discidio; secta uero est longe alia opinantem quam ceteri, alio etiam sibi ac longe dissimili ritu diuinitatis instituisse culturam. quae si ita sunt, mea interim et opinio et cultus longe alia sunt quam paganorum; de tuis postea uidebimus. pagani bona et mala, taetra et splendida. perpetua et caduca, mutabilia et certa, corporalia et diuina unum habere principium dogmatizant. his ego ualde contraria sentio, qui bonis omnibus principium fateor deum, contrariis uero hylen; sic enim mali principium ac naturam theologus noster appellat. item pagani aris, delubris, simulacris, uictimis atque incenso deum colendum putant. ego ab his in hoc quoque multum diuersus incedo, qui ipsum me, si modo sim dignus, rationabile dei templum puto, uiuum uiuae maiestatis simulacrum Christum filium eius accipio, aram mentem bonis artibus et disciplinis inbutam. honores quoque diuinos ac sacrificia in solis orationibus et ipsis puris ac simplicibus pono. quomodo ergo schisma sum paganorum?
But now to the point that you called us not a sect but a schism of the Gentiles. A schism, unless I am mistaken, is when someone who holds the same opinions and worships with the same rite as the rest takes pleasure only in separating the congregation; a sect, on the other hand, is when someone who holds opinions far different from the rest has also instituted for himself the worship of the deity with another and far dissimilar rite. If this is so, my opinion and worship, for now, are far different from those of the pagans; we shall see about yours later. The pagans teach that good and evil, foul and splendid, everlasting and perishing, changeable and fixed, bodily and divine, have one principle. I hold the very opposite to them, for I confess God as the principle of all good things, and Hyle of their contraries; for so our theologian names the principle and nature of evil. Again, the pagans think that God is to be worshipped with altars, shrines, images, victims, and incense. In this too I go far apart from them: I consider myself, if only I am worthy, the rational temple of God; I take Christ his Son as the living image of the living majesty; as altar, a mind imbued with good arts and disciplines. Divine honors and sacrifices too I place in prayers alone, and those pure and simple. How then am I a schism of the pagans?
1 Cor 3:16 (allusion, medium confidence) · Col 1:15 (allusion, low confidence)
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Summary: Faustus argues that the Manichaeans are a sect, not a schism, since they hold two principles (God and Hyle) and worship without altars, temples, images, or sacrifices.
- Hyle (Greek “matter”) is the Manichaean name for the principle of evil; “our theologian” is Mani. 1 Cor 3:16; Col 1:15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray hyphen in the digital text; stray mark in the digital text): simulacris?, → simulacris,; incenso -deum → incenso deum.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.3 (CSEL 25.1:537; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.4CSEL 25.1:537–538
Hactenus enim et Iudaeorum me poteras dicere schisma, quia et omnipotentem deum colam, quod sibi et Iudaeus omnis audaciter adsumit, cum non considerares rituum diuersitatem, qua a me coleretur omnipotens et a Iudaeis, si tamen omnipotentem Iudaei colunt. sed interim de opinione tractamus, quae sic et paganos de solis cultura fefellit ut de omnipotentis Iudaeos. sed nec uestrum quidem schisma si me dixeris, uerum est, quamuis Christum uenerer et colam, quia alio eum ritu colo et alia fide quam uos. schisma uero aut nihil inmutare debet ab eo, unde factum est, aut non multum. ut puta uos, qui desciscentes a gentibus monarchiae opinionem primo uobiscum diuulsistis, id est, ut omnia credatis ex deo; sacrificia uero eorum uertistis in agapes, idola in martyres, quos uotis similibus colitis; defunctorum umbras uino placatis et dapibus, sollemnes gentium dies cum ipsis celebratis, ut Kalendas et solstitia. de uita certe mutastis nihil: estis sane schisma a matrice sua diuersum nihil habens nisi conuentum. necnon et priores uestri Iudaei segregati etiam ipsi a gentibus sculpturas solum dimiserunt: templa uero et inmolationes et aras et sacerdotia atque omne sacrorum ministerium eodem ritu exercuerunt ac multo superstitiosius quam gentes. de opinione uero monarchiae in nullo etiam ipsi dissentiunt a paganis. quare constat uos atque Iudaeos schismata esse gentilitatis, cuius fidem tenentes et ritus modice quamuis inmutatos de sola conuentuum diuisione putatis uos esse sectas. porro autem sectas si quaeras, non plus erunt quam duae, id est gentium et nostra, qui eis longe diuersa sentimus, ita quidem obpositi inuicem nobis, ut est ueritas et mendacium, ut dies et nox, ut egestas et copia, ut morbus et sanitas. uos uero nec erroris secta estis nec ueritatis. sed schisma tantum; nec ipsum ueritatis saltem. sed erroris.
On that reckoning you could also have called me a schism of the Jews, because I too worship the almighty God, which every Jew boldly claims for himself as well, if you did not consider the difference of rites with which the Almighty is worshipped by me and by the Jews, if indeed the Jews worship the Almighty. But for the present we are dealing with opinion, which misled the pagans about the worship of the sun just as it misled the Jews about the worship of the Almighty. But neither is it true if you call me a schism of yours, although I venerate and worship Christ, because I worship him with another rite and another faith than yours. A schism, however, ought to change either nothing from that from which it arose, or not much. You, for example, breaking away from the Gentiles, first tore off with you their opinion of a single principle, that is, that you believe all things come from God; and you turned their sacrifices into love feasts, their idols into martyrs, whom you worship with similar vows; you appease the shades of the dead with wine and feasts; you celebrate the solemn days of the Gentiles with them, such as the Kalends and the solstices; certainly you have changed nothing in your way of life. You are plainly a schism, differing from its mother in nothing but your assembly. Your predecessors the Jews too, when they separated themselves from the Gentiles, gave up only carved images; but temples, sacrifices, altars, priesthoods, and the whole ministry of sacred rites they practised with the same rite, and far more superstitiously than the Gentiles. And in the opinion of a single principle they too differ in nothing from the pagans. Therefore it is clear that you and the Jews are schisms of paganism, holding its faith and its rites, though somewhat changed, and you think you are sects merely because your assemblies are separate. Moreover, if you look for sects, there will be no more than two, that is, that of the Gentiles and ours, who hold views far different from them, so opposed to each other as truth and falsehood, as day and night, as poverty and plenty, as sickness and health. But you are neither a sect of error nor of truth, but only a schism; and that not even of the truth, but of error.
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Summary: Faustus retorts that catholic Christians and Jews are the true schisms of paganism, keeping its belief in one principle and its rites in altered form.
- Faustus’s charges (love feasts replacing sacrifices, martyrs replacing idols, offerings at tombs, keeping the Kalends) are his polemic; Augustine answers them in 20.21. Translated as written.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.4 (CSEL 25.1:537–538; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.5CSEL 25.1:538–540
AUGUSTINUS respondit: o inperita pestis et uanitas uersipellis! utquid tibi obicis, quod si quis tibi obicit, nescit cum quo agat? neque enim uos paganos dicimus aut schisma paganorum, sed habere cum eis quandam similitudinem, eo quod multos colatis deos; uerum uos eis esse longe deteriores, quod illi ea colunt, quae sunt, sed pro diis colenda non sunt; sunt enim et idola, sed ad salutem nihil sunt. et qui colit arborem, non quidem arando, sed adorando, non id colit, quod nusquam est, sed quod ita colendum non est. ipsa etiam daemonia, unde dicit apostolus: quae inmolant gentes, daemoniis inmolant et non deo, utique sunt, quibus illos inmolare dicit et quorum nos socios esse non uult. iam uero caelum et terra, mare et aer, sol et luna et cetera sidera, omnia haec manifesta oculis adparent atque ipsis sensibus praesto sunt. quae cum pagani tamquam deos colunt uel tamquam partes unius magni dei — nam uniuersum mundum quidam eorum putant maximum deum — ea colunt, quae sunt. cum quibus quando agimus, ut ea non colant, non eis dicimus, quod nulla sint, sed quod colenda non sint, eisque colendum horum omnium conditorem deum inuisibilem suademus, cuius solius participatione beatus homo fieri potest: quod omnes uelle nemo ambigit. sed quia nonnulli eorum inuisibilem et incorpoream creaturam colunt — quod est et anima mensque humana — tamen, quia nec eiusmodi creaturae participatione fit homo beatus, ille non solum inuisibilis uerum etiam incommutabilis deus, id est deus uerus colendus est, quia solus ille colendus est, quo solo fruens beatus fit cultor eius, et quo solo non fruens omnis mens misera est, qualibet re alia perfruatur. uos autem cum ea colatis, quae omnino non sunt, sed uestrarum fallacium fabularum uanitate finguntur, propinquiores essetis uerae pietati ac religioni, si saltem pagani essetis uel in eorum genere, qui corpora colunt, etsi non colenda, sed tamen uera. unde uos uerius dixerim nec solem istum colere, ad cuius gyrum uestra oratio circumuoluitur.
Augustine replied: O ignorant plague and shifty vanity! Why do you raise against yourself an objection which, if anyone raises it against you, he does not know whom he is dealing with? For we do not call you pagans or a schism of the pagans, but say that you have a certain likeness to them in that you worship many gods; and indeed that you are far worse than they, because they worship things that exist, but should not be worshipped as gods. For idols too exist, but they are nothing for salvation. And whoever worships (colit) a tree, not by cultivating it but by adoring it, does not worship what exists nowhere, but what should not be worshipped in that way. The demons themselves also, of which the apostle says, “What the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God,” certainly exist, since he says they sacrifice to them and does not want us to be their partners. Again, heaven and earth, sea and air, sun and moon and the other stars, all these appear plainly to the eyes and are present to the senses themselves. When the pagans worship these as gods, or as parts of one great god (for some of them think the whole universe is the greatest god), they worship things that exist. When we deal with them so that they may not worship these things, we do not tell them that they are nothing, but that they are not to be worshipped; and we persuade them that the invisible God, the maker of all these, is to be worshipped, by participation in whom alone a man can become happy, which no one doubts all men want. But since some of them worship an invisible and incorporeal creature (as the human soul and mind is), yet, because a man does not become happy by participation even in a creature of this kind, the God who is not only invisible but also unchangeable, that is, the true God, must be worshipped; for he alone is to be worshipped by enjoying whom alone his worshipper becomes happy, and without enjoying whom alone every mind is miserable, whatever else it may enjoy. But since you worship things that do not exist at all, but are invented by the emptiness of your deceitful fables, you would be nearer to true piety and religion if you were at least pagans, or of the kind that worship bodies, which are not to be worshipped, yet are real. Hence I would more truly say that you do not even worship this sun, toward whose circuit your prayer turns round.
1 Cor 8:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:20 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine replies that the Manichaeans are not called pagans but are worse than pagans, since pagans worship real created things while the Manichaeans worship mere inventions.
- 1 Cor 8:4; 1 Cor 10:19–20. The play colit (“worships” / “cultivates”) is in the Latin. The Manichaeans turned toward the sun in prayer by day and toward the moon by night.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text): respondit:s o → respondit: o.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.5 (CSEL 25.1:538–540; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.6CSEL 25.1:540–541
Nam et de ipso tanta falsa et tam detestanda iactatis. ut si suas uindicaret iniurias, iam flammis eius uiui arderetis. nam primo eum nauem quandam esse dicitis; ita non tantum, ut dicitur, toto caelo erratis, sed et natatis. deinde cum omnium oculis rotundus effulgeat eaque illi figura pro sui ordinis positione perfecta sit, uos eum triangulum perhibetis, id est per quandam triangulam caeli fenestram lucem istam mundo terrisque radiare. ita fit, ut ad istum quidem solem dorsum ceruicemque curuetis, non autem ipsum tam clara rotunditate conspicuum, sed nescio quam nauem per foramen triangulum micantem atque lucentem, quam confictam cogitatis, adoretis. quam profecto faber ille non faceret, si, quemadmodum emuntur ligna, quibus nauigiorum tabulae conpinguntur, sic emerentur et uerba, quibus haereticorum fabulae confinguntur. uerum haec tolerabilius uel ridentur uel flentur in uobis; illud est intolerabiliter sceleratum, quod de ipsa naui puellas pulchras et pueros proponi dicitis, quorum formosissimis corporibus inardescant principes tenebrarum, ad feminas masculi et ad masculos feminae, ut in ipsa flagranti libidine et inhianti concupiscentia de membris eorum tamquam de taetris sordidisque conpedibus dei uestri membra soluantur. et his obscaenissimis pannis uestris conamini adsuere ineffabilem trinitatem dicentes patrem in secreto quodam lumine habitare, filii autem in sole uirtutem, in luna sapientiam, spiritum uero sanctum in aere!
For about it too you boast so many falsehoods, and such detestable ones, that if it avenged its injuries, you would already be burning alive in its flames. For first you say that it is a kind of ship; so you not only stray, as the saying goes, by the whole sky, but swim as well. Then, although it shines round before everyone’s eyes, and that shape is perfect for it given the position of its order, you assert that it is triangular, that is, that this light shines on the world and the earth through a kind of triangular window of the sky. So it comes about that you bend your back and neck toward this sun, yet adore not the sun itself, visible in so bright a roundness, but some ship or other flashing and shining through a triangular hole, a ship you have invented in your thoughts. Certainly that shipwright would not have made it if, as the timbers with which the planks of ships are fastened together are bought, so the words with which the fables of heretics are fabricated were bought as well. But these things in you are more bearably either laughed at or wept over; what is intolerably wicked is that you say that from this very ship beautiful girls and boys are displayed, with whose most lovely bodies the princes of darkness are inflamed, the males toward the females and the females toward the males, so that in that very burning lust and gaping desire the members of your God may be released from their members as from foul and filthy fetters. And with these most obscene rags of yours you try to sew on the ineffable Trinity, saying that the Father dwells in a certain secret light, the power of the Son in the sun, his wisdom in the moon, and the Holy Spirit in the air!
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Summary: Augustine ridicules the Manichaean teaching that the sun is a ship shining through a triangular window and denounces their myth of beautiful figures displayed to arouse the princes of darkness.
- Augustine reports Manichaean cosmology: the sun and moon as “ships” of light, and the myth of the “seduction of the archons”, in which divine figures appear to the powers of darkness so that the light they hold is released. Translated as written; Augustine’s account is hostile.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text): tamquam ' de → tamquam de.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.6 (CSEL 25.1:540–541; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.7CSEL 25.1:541–542
In qua tripertita uestra uel potius iam quadripertita fabula de patris quidem secreto lumine quid uobis dicam, nisi quia lumen cogitare non potestis, nisi quale uidere consuestis? hoc enim conspicuum et omni carni non tantum hominum, uerum etiam bestiarum et uermiculorum notissimum lumen intuentes ex illo conceptam corde phantasiam in inmensum soletis augere et eam lucem dicere, ubi deus pater habitat cum regnicolis suis. quando enim discreuistis lucem, qua cernimus, ab ea luce, qua intellegimus, cum aliud nihil umquam putaueritis esse intellegere ueritatem nisi formas corporeas cogitare, siue finitas siue ex aliquibus partibus infinitas, quae inania phantasmata esse nescitis? proinde cum tantum intersit inter cogitationem, qua cogito terram luminis uestram, quae omnino nusquam est, et cogitationem, qua cogito Alexandriam, quam numquam uidi, sed tamen est; rursusque tantum intersit inter istam, qua cogito Alexandriam incognitam, et eam, qua cogito Karthaginem cognitam: ab hac quoque cogitatione, qua certa et nota corpora cogito, longo incomparabiliter distat cogitatio, qua intellego iustitiam, castitatem, fidem, ueritatem, caritatem, comitatem et quicquid eiusmodi est, quae cogitatio, dicite, si potestis, quale lumen sit, quo illa omnia, quae hoc non sunt et inter se discernuntur, et quantum ab hoc distent, fida manifestatione cognoscitur. et tamen etiam hoc lumen non est lumen illud, quod deus est; hoc enim creatura est, creator est ille; hoc factum, ille qui fecit; hoc denique mutabile, dum uult, quod nolebat, et scit, quod nesciebat, et reminiscitur, quod oblitum erat, illud autem incommutabili uoluntate, ueritate, aeternitate persistit, et inde nobis est initium existendi, ratio cognoscendi, lex amandi; inde omnibus et inrationalibus animantibus natura, qua uiuunt, uigor, quo sentiunt, motus, quo adpetunt; inde etiam omnibus corporibus mensura, ut subsistant, numerus, ut ornentur, pondus, ut ordinentur. itaque lumen illud trinitas inseparabilis, unus deus est, cuius uos nullo corpore adiuncto per se ipsam incorpoream spiritalem incommutabilemque substantiam etiam locis diuiditis. nec saltem trinitati loca tria datis, sed quattuor: patri unum, id est lumen inaccessibile, quod prorsus non intellegitis; filio duo, solem scilicet atque lunam; spiritui sancto rursus unum, id. est aeris hunc omnem ambitum. de patris ergo inaccessibili lumine, quia ueram fidem tenentibus non inde separatur filius et spiritus sanctus, hactenus in praesentia dixerim.
In this threefold, or rather now fourfold, fable of yours, what am I to say to you about the Father’s secret light, except that you cannot conceive of light except such as you are used to seeing? For gazing at this light, which is visible and most familiar to all flesh, not only of men but also of beasts and little worms, you are accustomed to enlarge without limit the image conceived from it in your heart, and to call that the light where God the Father dwells with the citizens of his kingdom. For when have you distinguished the light by which we see from the light by which we understand, since you have never thought that understanding the truth is anything other than imagining bodily forms, either bounded or unbounded on some sides, which you do not know to be empty phantasms? There is a great difference between the thought by which I imagine your land of light, which exists nowhere at all, and the thought by which I imagine Alexandria, which I have never seen, yet which exists; and again there is a great difference between this thought, by which I imagine Alexandria unknown to me, and that by which I imagine Carthage, which I know. But from this thought too, by which I imagine certain and known bodies, the thought by which I understand justice, chastity, faith, truth, love, kindness, and whatever is of this kind, is incomparably far removed. Tell me, if you can, what kind of light that thought is, by which all these things, which are not this light, are both distinguished from one another and known with sure clarity, together with how far they are from this light. And yet even this light is not that light which God is; for this is a creature, he is the creator; this was made, he is the one who made it; this, finally, is changeable, as it wills what it did not will, and knows what it did not know, and remembers what it had forgotten, while that light abides in unchangeable will, truth, and eternity. And from it we have the beginning of existing, the reason of knowing, the law of loving; from it all living things, even irrational ones, have the nature by which they live, the vigor by which they perceive, the movement by which they seek; from it too all bodies have measure, so that they may subsist, number, so that they may be adorned, weight, so that they may be ordered. So that light is the inseparable Trinity, one God, whose substance, incorporeal, spiritual, and unchangeable in itself, with no body joined to it, you even divide by places. And you do not even give the Trinity three places, but four: one to the Father, that is, the unapproachable light, which you do not understand at all; two to the Son, namely the sun and the moon; and again one to the Holy Spirit, that is, this whole compass of the air. About the unapproachable light of the Father, then, since for those who hold the true faith the Son and the Holy Spirit are not separated from it, let this be enough for now.
1 Tim 6:16 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that the Manichaeans can only imagine bodily light, distinguishes the light of the mind from physical light and both from God, and objects that they divide the Trinity among four places.
- Measure, number, and weight: Wis 11:20 (11:21 Vulg.); “unapproachable light”: 1 Tim 6:16. The “land of light” is the Manichaean realm of the Father of greatness.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text): lucem'dicere → lucem dicere.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 11:20 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.7 (CSEL 25.1:541–542; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.8CSEL 25.1:542–544
Uestrae autem uanitati quid placuit in sole ponere uirtutem filii et in luna sapientiam? cum enim in ipso patre filius inseparabilis maneat, quomodo potest sapientia eius ab eius uirtute separari, ut illa sit in sole, haec in luna, cum per huiusmodi locos nisi corpora diuidi separarique non possint? quod si sciretis, numquam stulto insanoque phantasmate tantas fabulas texeretis. at in ea ipsa falsitate atque fallacia quam incongrue, quam peruerse sedem sapientiae minus lucere dicitis quam sedem uirtutis, cum ad uirtutem pertinere uideatur operari et efficere, ad sapientiam uero docere et ostendere. ac per hoc, si calor in sole, lux autem praepolleret in luna, utcumque inuenissent ista figmenta uerisimilitudinis nebulam hominibus carnalibus et animalibus decipiendis, qui nihil putant esse, nisi quod corporale cogitauerint; caloris enim uiolentia operatio est ad mouendum, unde uirtuti tribueretur; lucis autem clarus fulgor ad demonstrandum, unde hanc sapientiae darent. cum uero lux longe in sole praecellat. quomodo ibi uirtus. hic autem quod tanto minus lucet, sapientia est? o sacrilega ineptia! et cum sit unus Christus dei uirtus et dei sapientia, spiritus autem sanctus non ipse sit Christus, quomodo separatur a se ipse Christus, cum ab eo non separetur spiritus sanctus? aerem quippe, quam sedem spiritui sancto uestra fabula tribuit, totam mundi fabricam inplere perhibetis. unde sol et luna circuitus suos peragentes semper cum illo sunt; a sole autem luna discedit et ad solem rursus accedit. ita uobis auctoribus uel potius deceptoribus per dimidiam partem circuli recedit a uirtute sapientia et ad eam per aliam dimidiam rursus accedit; et cum plena est, tum longe est a uirtute sapientia; tunc enim tam longo interuallo a se disiuncta sunt haec duo lumina, ut cum sol uergit ad occidentem, tunc luna surgat ab oriente. ex quo fit, ut, quoniam infirmantur omnia, quae uirtute deseruntur, eo sapientia sit infirmior, quo est luna plenior. si autem. quod ueritas habet, et sapientia dei semper tantundem ualet, et uirtus dei semper tantundem sapit, cur haec sic duo dicitis, ut ea locorum sedibus interuallisque separetis, cum ipsa sedes eiusdem substantiae dicatis, homines caeca et insana mente non recedentes a phantasmate corporum et uirtute ac sapientia ita carentes, ut nec sapere possitis aliquid fortiter nec ualere sapienter? itane uero, detestanda et anathemanda stultitia, Christus per solem lunamque distentus hic uirtute habitans, hic sapientia nec hic perfectus et plenus nec in sole sapiens nec in luna praepotens, utrobique pulchros pueros subornat concupiscendos feminis principibus tenebrarum et masculis puellas? haec legitis, haec creditis, haec docetis, ex hac fide doctrinaque uiuitis. et miramini, quia sic abominamini!
And what made your vanity place the Son’s power in the sun and his wisdom in the moon? For since the Son abides inseparably in the Father himself, how can his wisdom be separated from his power, so that the one is in the sun and the other in the moon, when only bodies can be divided and separated by places of this kind? If you knew this, you would never weave such fables from a foolish and mad phantasm. But even within that very falsehood and deceit, how unfittingly, how perversely you say that the seat of wisdom shines less than the seat of power, when working and accomplishing seem to belong to power, but teaching and showing to wisdom! And so, if heat prevailed in the sun and light in the moon, these inventions would somehow have found a mist of likelihood for deceiving carnal and animal men, who think that nothing exists except what they have imagined as bodily; for the force of heat works to move things, so that it might be attributed to power, while the clear brightness of light serves to show things, so that they might give it to wisdom. But since light far excels in the sun, how is power there, while what shines so much less here is wisdom? O sacrilegious folly! And since the one Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God, while the Holy Spirit is not himself Christ, how is Christ separated from himself, when the Holy Spirit is not separated from him? For you assert that the air, which your fable assigns as the seat of the Holy Spirit, fills the whole structure of the world. Hence the sun and the moon, as they travel their circuits, are always with it; but the moon departs from the sun and returns again to the sun. So, on your authority, or rather by your deception, wisdom withdraws from power for half of the circuit and returns to it again for the other half; and when the moon is full, then wisdom is far from power; for then these two lights are separated from each other by so long an interval that when the sun sinks toward the west, the moon rises in the east. From this it follows, since everything that power deserts grows weak, that wisdom is the weaker the fuller the moon is. But if, as the truth holds, both the wisdom of God is always equally strong and the power of God is always equally wise, why do you speak of these two in such a way as to separate them by seats and intervals of place, when you say that the seats themselves are of the same substance, men who with blind and mad minds do not depart from the phantasm of bodies, and are so lacking in power and wisdom that you can neither be wise with any strength nor be strong with any wisdom? Is it really so, detestable and accursed folly, that Christ, stretched out through the sun and moon, dwelling here as power and there as wisdom, neither perfect and full here, nor wise in the sun nor powerful in the moon, in both places procures beautiful boys to be desired by the female princes of darkness and girls by the males? This you read, this you believe, this you teach, by this faith and doctrine you live; and you are surprised that you are so abhorred!
1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine mocks the placing of Christ’s power in the sun and his wisdom in the moon, arguing that it divides Christ and makes his wisdom weaker as the moon waxes.
- 1 Cor 1:24. The final sentence refers again to the Manichaean myth of the seduction of the archons (see 20.6).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: letter lost; OCR slip: r read as i with a hyphen): demonsti-andum → demonstrandum; ac sapienta ita → ac sapientia ita.
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.8 (CSEL 25.1:542–544; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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20.9CSEL 25.1:544–546
Uerum si in istis tam eminentibus notissimisque luminibus sic erratis, ut in eis non quod sunt, sed quod uobis dementissime fingitis adoretis, quid de ceteris uestris fabulis dicam? quis enim splenditenens suspendit mundum et quis Atlas cum illo subportat? haec et innumerabilia, quae similiter deliratis, omnino non sunt et colitis ea. hinc uos paganis dicimus deteriores, eo tantum similes, quod multos deos colitis; eo uero in peiorem partem dissimiles, quod illi pro diis ea colunt, quae sunt, sed dii non sunt; uos autem colitis ea, quae nec dii nec aliquid sunt, quoniam prorsus nulla sunt. habent quidem et illi quaedam fabulosa figmenta. sed esse illas fabulas norunt et uel a poetis delectandi causa fictas esse adserunt uel eas ad naturam rerum uel mores hominum interpretari conantur. sicut Uulcanum claudum, quia ignis terreni motus eiusmodi est, et Fortunam caecam. quod ex incerto accidant, quae fortuita dicuntur, et tria Fata in colo et fuso digitisque filum ex lana torquentibus propter tria tempora, praeteritum, quod in fuso iam netum atque inuolutum est, praesens, quod inter digitos nentis traicitur, futurum in lana, quae colo inplicata est, quod adhuc per digitos nentis ad fusum tamquam per praesens ad praeteritum traiciendum est; et Uenerem Uulcani uxorem, quia ex calore uoluptas naturaliter asciscitur, et Martis adulteram, quia belligerantibus incongrua est; et Cupidinem puerum uolitantem ac sagittantem, quod inrationabilis et instabilis amor corda uulneret miserorum, et alia permulta in hunc modum. quocirca hoc in eis inridemus, quod interpretata sic adorant, quae non intellecta quamuis damnabiliter, tamen excusabilius adorarent. ipsis quippe interpretationibus conuincuntur non se illum deum colere, cuius solius participatione mens beata fit, sed ab illo conditam creaturam; nec solas uirtutes ipsius creaturae, sicut Mineruam, cuius fabulam, quod de Iouis capite nata sit, ad prudentiam consiliorum interpretantur, quae rationis est propria, cui sedem capitis etiam Plato dedit, sed etiam uitia, sicut de Cupidine diximus. unde quidam eorum tragicus ait:. deum esse amorem turpis et uitio fauens finxit libido. Nam et corporalium uitiorum simulacra Romani consecrauerunt, sicut Palloris et Febris. ut ergo omittam, quod simulacrorum adoratores circa ipsas corporum figuras habent adfectum, ut eas ipsas formas in locis honorabilibus sublimatas, quibus tantum obsequium exhiberi uident, tamquam deos timeant, illae ipsae interpretationes, quibus haec muta et surda et caeca et exanima defenduntur, dignius accusantur; uerumtamen et ista, quoquo modo sunt, quamuis, ut iam dixi, ad salutem uel aliquam utilitatem nihil sint, et, quae ex his interpretantur, in rebus inueniuntur. uos autem primum hominem cum quinque elementis belligerantem; et spiritum potentem de captiuis corporibus gentis tenebrarum an potius de membris dei uestri uictis atque subiectis mundum fabricantem; et splenditenentem reliquias eorundem membrorum dei uestri habentem in manu et cetera omnia capta, obpressa. inquinata plangentem; et Atlantem maximum subter humeris suis cum eo ferentem, ne totum ille fatigatus abiciat. atque ita fabula uestra uelut in tapete theatrico ad illius ultimi globi catastolium peruenire non possit, et alia innumerabilia pariter inepta et insana nec pingendo aut sculpendo nec interpretando demonstratis et ea, cum omnino nulla sint, creditis et colitis et insuper christianis fide non ficta pias mentes mundantibus tamquam temere credulis insultatis. ut enim multa non quaeram, quibus haec ostendantur omnino non esse, quia subtilius sublimiusque tractare de mundi fabrica. etsi mihi difficile non esset. certe nimis longum est, hoc dico: si ista uera sunt, dei substantia commutabilis est, corruptibilis, coinquinabilis. hoc autem credere plenum est sacrilegae insaniae. illa igitur omnia uana sunt, falsa sunt, nulla sunt. proinde uos paganis istis, qui uulgo noti sunt et antiquitus fuerunt et in reliquiis suis iam nunc erubescunt, prorsus deteriores estis, quod illi colunt ea, quae dii non sunt, uos autem, omnino quae non sunt.
But if you so go astray about these most eminent and best-known lights that you adore in them not what they are but what you most insanely imagine, what am I to say about your other fables? For what Splenditenens suspends the world, and what Atlas holds it up along with him? These and countless other things that you rave about in the same way do not exist at all, and you worship them. That is why we say that you are worse than the pagans, like them only in that you worship many gods, but unlike them for the worse in that they worship as gods things that exist but are not gods, while you worship things that are neither gods nor anything at all, since they do not exist at all. They too have some fabulous inventions; but they know that they are fables, and either say they were invented by poets for the sake of delight, or try to interpret them with reference to the nature of things or the morals of men: as that Vulcan is lame because the motion of earthly fire is of that kind; that Fortune is blind because the things called fortuitous happen uncertainly; that the three Fates with distaff and spindle and fingers twist the thread from the wool because of the three times: the past, which is already spun and wound on the spindle; the present, which passes between the fingers of the spinner; the future in the wool wound on the distaff, which is still to pass through the fingers of the spinner to the spindle, as through the present to the past; that Venus is the wife of Vulcan, because pleasure is naturally drawn from heat, and the adulteress of Mars, because she is unsuited to those at war; that Cupid is a boy flying and shooting arrows, because irrational and unstable love wounds the hearts of the wretched; and very many other things in this manner. So what we laugh at in them is that, having interpreted them so, they adore what, if not understood, they would adore, though damnably, yet more excusably. For by these very interpretations they are convicted of worshipping not the God by participation in whom alone the mind becomes happy, but the creature made by him; and not only the virtues of that creature, like Minerva, whose fable, that she was born from the head of Jupiter, they interpret as prudence in counsel, which is proper to reason, to which Plato too gave the head as its seat, but also vices, as we said about Cupid. Hence one of their tragic poets says: “Base lust, favoring vice, invented love as a god.” For the Romans even consecrated images of bodily ills, such as Pallor and Fever. So, to pass over the fact that the adorers of images have feelings toward the very shapes of the bodies, so that they fear as gods those very forms set up on high in places of honor, to which they see such homage paid, the very interpretations by which these dumb, deaf, blind, and lifeless things are defended accuse them all the more justly. Nevertheless, these things, whatever they are, although, as I have already said, they are nothing for salvation or for any benefit, both exist, and what is interpreted from them is found in reality. But you neither by painting nor by sculpture nor by interpretation show your First Man warring with five elements; and the Mighty Spirit fashioning the world from the captive bodies of the race of darkness, or rather from the conquered and subdued members of your God; and Splenditenens holding in his hand the remains of those same members of your God and lamenting all the rest, captured, oppressed, defiled; and the great Atlas carrying it on his shoulders together with him, so that the other, worn out, may not throw it all down; and so your fable, as on a theatre curtain, may not be able to reach the catastolium of that last globe; and countless other things equally silly and mad: and yet you believe and worship them, although they do not exist at all, and moreover you mock as rashly credulous the Christians who cleanse their pious minds by unfeigned faith. Not to look for many arguments to show that these things do not exist at all (because to treat more subtly and loftily of the structure of the world, even if it were not difficult for me, would certainly take too long), I say this: if these things are true, the substance of God is changeable, corruptible, capable of defilement. But to believe this is full of sacrilegious madness. All those things, therefore, are vain, false, nothing. Hence you are altogether worse than these pagans who are commonly known, who existed of old and now blush at what remains of them, because they worship things that are not gods, while you worship things that do not exist at all.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Augustine says the Manichaeans are worse than pagans: pagans worship real things and interpret their myths allegorically, while the Manichaean gods (Splenditenens, Atlas, the First Man, the Mighty Spirit) do not exist at all.
- Splenditenens, Atlas (the Omophoros), the First Man, and the Mighty (Living) Spirit are figures of Manichaean cosmology. The tragic poet is Seneca, Phaedra 195–196. Plato places reason in the head (Tim. 44d, 69d–70a). “Catastolium” is unexplained in the Latin; it may be a corrupt or technical word connected with the final “globe” (bolos) of Manichaean eschatology; left untranslated. Pallor and Fever (Pallor, Febris) had Roman cults.
Extrabiblical texts: Seneca, Phaedr. 195–196 (Seneca; quotation); Plato, Tim. 44d (Plato (works); allusion)
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.9 (CSEL 25.1:544–546; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).
20.10CSEL 25.1:546–548
Itaque si propterea uos putatis tenere ueritatem, quia et errori paganorum longe dissimiles estis, nos autem propterea esse in errore, quia longius a uobis quam a paganis forte distamus, dicatur et mortuus ideo sanus, quia iam nec aegrotus est, et ideo reprehendatur, qui sanus est, quia uicinior est aegroto quam mortuo. aut si plerique pagani non uelut aegri. sed uelut mortui deputandi sunt. laudetur in sepulcro cinis informis, quia iam nec formam cadaueris tenet, et membra uiua culpentur, quia cadaueri sunt similiora quam cineri. sicut nos ideo isti culpandos putant, quia nos similiores esse dicunt funeri paganorum quam fauillae Manichaeorum, quamquam per multas differentias aliter atque aliter quaeque res ad discernendum diuidi soleant, ut, quod in hac erat parte, per alias differentias in alia parte inueniatur, ubi ante non erat. uelut uerbi gratia, si quis omnem carnem diuidat in uolatilia, et ea, quae uolare non possunt, per hanc differentiam quadrupedia hominibus sunt similiora quam auibus; pariter enim uolare non possunt. rursus si quis per aliam differentiam diuidat, ut dicat alia esse rationalia, alia inrationalia, iam quadrupedes auibus sunt similiores quam hominibus; pariter enim sunt rationis expertes. hoc Faustus non cogitans ait: porro autem sectas si quaeras, non plus erunt quam duae, id est gentium et nostra, qui eis longe diuersa sentimus, uidelicet quoniam dixerat eo maxime distare gentes a Manichaeis, quod ab uno principio dicunt esse omnia, quod Manichaei negant addentes principium gentis tenebrarum. in hac differentia — quod fatendum est — plerique pagani nobiscum sentiunt; sed non uidit, quia item, si quis ita diuidat, ut dicat eorum, qui aliqua religione detinentur, aliis placere unum deum colendum, aliis multos, per hanc differentiam et pagani a nobis remoti sunt, et isti cum paganis deputantur, nos autem cum Iudaeis. potest ergo aliquis secundum hanc differentiam hoc etiam modo duas solas sectas putare. hic forte dicatis, quod uos multos deos uestros ex una substantia perhibetis, quasi pagani multos suos non ex una adserant, quamuis diuersa illis officia et opera et potestates adtribuant. sicut etiam apud uos alius expugnat gentem tenebrarum, alius ex ea capta fabricat mundum, alius desuper suspendit, alius subter portat, alius rotas ignium, uentorum et aquarum in imo uersat, alius in caelo circuiens radiis suis etiam de cluacis membra dei uestri conligit. et quis numerat omnia omnium deorum uestrorum officia fabulosa nulla ueritate manifesta, nullis aenigmatis figurata? porro si alius ita diuidat omnes homines, ut alios esse dicat, qui credunt deum humana curare, alios, qui id omnino non credunt, in hac parte et pagani nobiscum sentiunt et Iudaei et uos et omnes haeretici, qui quoquo modo christiani appellantur: in illa uero Epicurei reperiuntur et si qui alii sunt, qui ita senserunt. paruane ista differentia est? cur ergo non et secundum istam duae solae sectae esse dicantur, ut in una earum nobiscum sitis? an audebitis in hac differentia discedere a nobis. qui deum praedicamus humana curare, et esse cum Epicureis, qui hoc negant? hic profecto illos repudiantes ad nos curritis. sic per alias et alias differentias nunc hic, nunc illic reperiuntur, aliunde iuncti, aliunde disiuncti, uicissim omnes nobiscum et nos cum omnibus, et rursus nulli eorum nobiscum nec nos cum aliquibus eorum. quod si Faustus cogitaret, non tam diserte deliraret.
So if you think that you hold the truth because you are far unlike the error of the pagans, and that we are in error because we are perhaps farther from you than from the pagans, then let a dead man be called healthy because he is no longer even sick, and let the healthy man be blamed because he is nearer to the sick than to the dead. Or, if many pagans are to be reckoned not as sick but as dead, let the shapeless ash in the tomb be praised because it no longer even keeps the shape of a corpse, and let living limbs be faulted because they are more like a corpse than ashes; just as these people think we should be blamed because, they say, we are more like the corpse of the pagans than the cinders of the Manichaeans. Yet things are usually divided for distinction in different ways according to many differences, so that what was on one side is found, by other differences, on another side where it was not before. For example, if someone divides all flesh into flying creatures and those that cannot fly, by this difference four-footed animals are more like men than birds, for both alike cannot fly. Again, if someone divides by another difference, saying that some are rational and others irrational, now four-footed animals are more like birds than men, for both alike lack reason. Not considering this, Faustus says: “Moreover, if you look for sects, there will be no more than two, that is, that of the Gentiles and ours, who hold views far different from them,” because, of course, he had said that the Gentiles differ from the Manichaeans chiefly in that they say all things come from one principle, which the Manichaeans deny, adding the principle of the race of darkness. In this difference, it must be admitted, many pagans agree with us; but he did not see that, again, if someone divides by saying that among those who are held by some religion, some think one God is to be worshipped and others many, by this difference both the pagans are far from us, and these people are counted with the pagans, and we with the Jews. Someone, then, could by this difference also reckon only two sects in this way. Here perhaps you will say that you declare your many gods to be of one substance, as if the pagans did not assert that their many gods are not of one substance, although they attribute to them different offices, works, and powers; just as among you too one fights the race of darkness, another builds the world from what was captured from it, another suspends it from above, another carries it from below, another turns the wheels of fire, winds, and waters at the bottom, another, circling in the sky, gathers with his rays the members of your God even from sewers. And who can count all the fabulous offices of all your gods, shown by no truth, figured by no enigmas? Further, if another divides all men by saying that some believe that God cares for human affairs and others do not believe this at all, on the one side the pagans agree with us, and the Jews, and you, and all heretics who are in any way called Christians; on the other are found the Epicureans and any others who have held this view. Is this a small difference? Why then should it not be said that by this difference too there are only two sects, so that in one of them you are with us? Or will you dare, in this difference, to depart from us who preach that God cares for human affairs, and to be with the Epicureans, who deny it? Here, surely, rejecting them, you run to us. So, by various differences, they are found now here, now there, joined on one side, separated on another; in turn all are with us and we with all, and again none of them with us nor we with any of them. If Faustus had considered this, he would not rave so eloquently.
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine answers Faustus’s claim that there are only two sects by showing that groupings shift with the criterion chosen: one God or many, divine providence or none.
- The Manichaean figures alluded to are the Mighty Spirit, Splenditenens, Atlas, the turner of the wheels (the King of Honor), and the sun, which gathers the light. The Epicureans denied divine providence.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: final letter of putare joined to a lost full stop): putaret hic → putare. hic.
Extrabiblical texts: Epicurus (Epicurus (sayings and fragments); allusion)
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 20.10 (CSEL 25.1:546–548; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/19-30/#p-20-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).