Oration III Against the Arians 41–52

Greek text: Bright (Greek text: William Bright, The Orations of St. Athanasius against the Arians (Oxford: Clarendon, 1884), digitized by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 4 (1892).

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Chapter 41

41Bright, 195

41. Παύσασθε τοιγαροῦν, ὦ θεοστυγεῖς, καὶ μὴ ταπεινοῦτε τὸν Λόγον· μηδὲ παραιρεῖσθε τὴν θεότητα αὐτοῦ, ἥτις ἐστι τοῦ Πατρὸς, ὡς δεομένου, ἢ ἀγνοοῦντος· ἵνα μὴ τὰ ἑαυτῶν ἐπιῤῥίπτητε τῷ Χριστῷ, ὡς οἱ τότε λιθάζοντες αὐτὸν ἐποίουν Ἰουδαῖοι. Οὐ γὰρ τοῦ Λόγου, ᾗ Λόγος ἐστὶ, ταῦτα τυγχάνει ὄντα, ἀλλὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐστὶν ἴδια ταῦτα. Καὶ ὥσπερ πτύσαντος αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐκτείναντος τὴν χεῖρα, καὶ φωνήσαντος Λάζαρον, οὐκ ἐλέγομεν ἀνθρώπινα εἶναι τὰ κατορθώματα, εἰ καὶ διὰ τοῦ σώματος ἐγίνετο, ἀλλὰ Θεοῦ· οὕτως ἐὰν τὰ ἀνθρώπινα λέγηται περὶ τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ, πάλιν εἰς τὴν φύσιν τῶν λεγομένων ἐνορῶντες, καὶ ὡς ἀλλότρια ταῦτα Θεοῦ τυγχάνει ὄντα, μὴ τῇ θεότητι τοῦ Λόγου ταῦτα λογιζώμεθα, ἀλλὰ τῇ ἀνθρωπότητι αὐτοῦ, Εἰ γὰρ καὶ ‘ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, ʼ ἀλλὰ τῆς σαρκὸς ἴδια τὰ πάθη· καὶ εἰ ἡ σάρξ θεοφορεῖται ἐν τῷ Λόγῳ, ἀλλʼ ἡ χάρις καὶ ἡ δύναμίς ἐστι τοῦ Λόγου. Τὰ γοῦν ἔργα τοῦ Πατρὸς διὰ τῆς σαρκὸς ἐποίει· καὶ οὐδὲν ἧττον πάλιν τὰ πάθη τῆς σαρκὸς ἐδείκνυτο ἐν αὐτῷ· οἷον ἐπυνθάνετο καὶ ἤγειρε Λάζαρον· ἐπέπληττε τῇ μητρὶ, λέγων, ‘οὔπω ἥκει ἡ ὥρα μου, ’ καὶ εὐθὺς τὸ ὕδωρ οἶνον ἐποίει. Ἀληθινὸς γὰρ Θεὸς ἦν ἐν τῇ σαρκὶ, καὶ ἀληθὴς σὰρξ ἦν ἐν τῷ Λόγῳ. Διὰ τοῦτο ἐκ μὲν τῶν ἔργων ἐγνώριζεν ἑαυτὸν Υἱόν τε τοῦ Θεοῦ, καὶ τὸν ἑαυτοῦ Πατέρα· ἐκ δὲ τῶν τῆς σαρκὸς παθῶν ἐδείκνυεν ὅτι ἀληθὲς ἐφόρει σῶμα, καὶ ἴδιον ἦν αὐτοῦ τοῦτο.

41. Pausasthe toigaroun, ō theostygeis, kai mē tapeinoute ton Logon; mēde paraireisthe tēn theotēta autou, hētis esti tou Patros, hōs deomenou, ē agnoountos; hina mē ta heautōn epirrhiptēte tǭ Christǭ, hōs hoi tote lithazontes auton epoioun Ioudaioi. Ou gar tou Logou, hę̄ Logos esti, tauta tynchanei onta, alla tōn anthrōpōn estin idia tauta. Kai hōsper ptysantos autou, kai ekteinantos tēn cheira, kai phōnēsantos Lazaron, ouk elegomen anthrōpina einai ta katorthōmata, ei kai dia tou sōmatos egineto, alla Theou; houtōs ean ta anthrōpina legētai peri tou Sōtēros en tǭ euangeliǭ, palin eis tēn physin tōn legomenōn enorōntes, kai hōs allotria tauta Theou tynchanei onta, mē tę̄ theotēti tou Logou tauta logizōmetha, alla tę̄ anthrōpotēti autou, Ei gar kai ‘ho Logos sarx egeneto, ʼ alla tēs sarkos idia ta pathē; kai ei hē sarx theophoreitai en tǭ Logǭ, allʼ hē charis kai hē dynamis esti tou Logou. Ta goun erga tou Patros dia tēs sarkos epoiei; kai ouden hētton palin ta pathē tēs sarkos edeiknyto en autǭ; hoion epynthaneto kai ēgeire Lazaron; epeplētte tę̄ mētri, legōn, ‘oupō hēkei hē hōra mou, ’ kai euthys to hydōr oinon epoiei. Alēthinos gar Theos ēn en tę̄ sarki, kai alēthēs sarx ēn en tǭ Logǭ. Dia touto ek men tōn ergōn egnōrizen heauton Huion te tou Theou, kai ton heautou Patera; ek de tōn tēs sarkos pathōn edeiknyen hoti alēthes ephorei sōma, kai idion ēn autou touto.

Stop, then, you God-haters, and do not humble the Word; do not take away his Godhead, which is the Father's, as though he were in need or ignorant, lest you cast your own failings upon Christ, as the Jews did who stoned him then. For these things do not belong to the Word as Word, but are proper to human beings. And just as, when he spat, and stretched out his hand, and called Lazarus, we did not say the mighty deeds were human, even though they were done through the body, but God's; so, if human things are said of the Saviour in the Gospel, let us again look to the nature of what is said, and, since these things are foreign to God, let us not reckon them to the Godhead of the Word but to his humanity. For even though “the Word became flesh,” the passions are proper to the flesh; and even though the flesh bears God in the Word, the grace and the power are the Word's. He did the Father's works, at any rate, through the flesh; and none the less the passions of the flesh were shown in him; for instance, he inquired, and he raised Lazarus; he checked his mother, saying, “My hour has not yet come,” and at once made the water wine. For he was true God in the flesh, and true flesh in the Word. That is why he made himself known as Son of God, and made his Father known, from the works; and from the passions of the flesh he showed that he bore a true body, and that it was his own.

John 10:31 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 7:33 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 11:43 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:9 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Human weaknesses in the Gospels belong to Christ's humanity, divine works to his Godhead, both in one Lord: true God in the flesh and true flesh in the Word.

  • “The flesh bears God” renders θεοφορεῖται (literally “is God-borne”).
  • “He checked his mother” renders ἐπέπληττε τῇ μητρὶ, referring to John 2:4.
  • Slips corrected: ὧ to ὦ, οἷνον to οἶνον, ἢν to ἦν.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.; Breathing and accent slip.): ὧ θεοστυγεῖς → ὦ θεοστυγεῖς; οἷνον ἐποίει → οἶνον ἐποίει; ἴδιον ἢν αὐτοῦ → ἴδιον ἦν αὐτοῦ.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 41 (Bright, 195; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-41). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 42

42Bright, 195–196

42. Τούτων οὕτως ὄντων, φέρε καὶ τὸ, ‘Περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας καὶ τῆς ὥρας οὐδεὶς οἶδεν, οὐδὲ οἱ ἄγγελοι, οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ʼ διερευνήσωμεν. Τοῦτο μὲν γὰρ μεγάλως μάλιστα ἀγνοήσαντες, καὶ ἐν τούτῳ σκοτοδινιῶντες, μεγάλην νομίζουσιν ἔχειν ἐν τούτῳ πρόφασιν τῆς αἱρέσεως αὐτῶν. Ἐγὼ δὲ καὶ τοῦτο προφασιζομένους αὐτοὺς, καὶ ἐν τούτῳ παρασκευαζομένους τοὺς αἱρετικοὺς, ὡς τοὺς γίγαντας, πάλιν θεομαχοῦντας αὐτοὺς ὁρῶ. Ὁ γὰρ οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς Κύριος, διʼ οὗ τὰ πάντα γέγονε, κρίνεται παρʼ αὐτοῖς περὶ ἡμέρας καὶ ὥρας· καὶ ὁ τὰ πάντα γινώσκων Λόγος κατηγορεῖται παρʼ αὐτῶν, ὡς ἀγνοῶν περὶ ἡμέρας· καὶ ὁ γινώσκων Υἱὸς τὸν Πατέρα λέγεται ἀγνοεῖν ἡμέρας ὥραν· ὧν τί ἂν τίς ἀφρονέστερον εἴποι, ἢ ποίαν τίς τούτοις ἐξισώσοι μανίαν; Διὰ τοῦ Λόγου γέγονε τὰ πάντα, καὶ χρόνοι, καὶ καιροὶ, καὶ νὺξ, καὶ ἡμέρα, καὶ πᾶσα ἡ κτίσις· καὶ ἀγνοεῖν ὁ δημιουργὸς τὸ ποίημα λέγεται; καὶ αὐτὸς μὲν οὖν ὁ εἱρμὸς τοῦ ἀναγνώσματος δείκνυσιν εἰδέναι τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὴν ὥραν, καὶ τὴν ἡμέραν, κἂν οἱ Ἀρειανοὶ τῇ ἀγνοίᾳ καταπίπτωσιν. Εἰρηκὼς γὰρ, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ’ διηγεῖται τοῖς μαθηταῖς τὰ πρὸ τῆς ἡμέρας, λέγων· ‘Τάδε ἔσται καὶ τάδε, εἶτα τὸ τέλος.’ Ὁ δὲ τὰ πρὸ τῆς ἡμέρας λέγων οἶδε πάντως καὶ τὴν ἡμέραν, ἥτις μετὰ τὰ προειρημένα φανήσεται. Εἰ δὲ μὴ ᾔδει τὴν ὥραν, οὐκ ἂν τὰ πρὸ αὐτῆς ἐσήμανεν, οὐκ εἰδὼς πότε ἔσται ἡ ὥρα. Καὶ ὥσπερ ἄν τις οἰκίαν ἢ πόλιν τοῖς ἀγνοοῦσι σημᾶναι θέλων, τὰ μὲν πρὸ τῆς οἰκίας ἢ τῆς πόλεως διεξίοι· ἐπειδὰν δὲ πάντα σημάνας λέγοι, ‘Εἶςʼ εὐθὺς ἡ πόλις ἢ ἡ οἰκία· οἶδε πάντως ὁ σημαίνων, ποῦ τε ἡ οἰκία ἢ ἡ πόλις ἐστίν· (οὐκ ἂν γὰρ εἰ μὴ ἐγίνωσκεν, ἐσήμανε τὰ πρὸ ἐκείνων, μή ποτε διʼ ἄγνοιαν ἢ μακρὰν ἀποστήσῃ τοὺς ἀκούοντας, ἢ αὐτὸς λέγων, λάθῃ καὶ ὑπερβῇ τὸ σημαινόμενον·) οὕτω λέγων ὁ Κύριος τὰ πρὸ τῆς ἡμέρας καὶ τῆς ὥρας, οἶδεν ἀκριβῶς, καὶ οὐκ ἀγνοεῖ, πότε ἡ ὥρα καὶ ἡ ἡμέρα ἐνίσταται.

42. Toutōn houtōs ontōn, phere kai to, ‘Peri de tēs hēmeras kai tēs hōras oudeis oiden, oude hoi angeloi, oude ho Huios, ʼ diereunēsōmen. Touto men gar megalōs malista agnoēsantes, kai en toutǭ skotodiniōntes, megalēn nomizousin echein en toutǭ prophasin tēs haireseōs autōn. Egō de kai touto prophasizomenous autous, kai en toutǭ paraskeuazomenous tous hairetikous, hōs tous gigantas, palin theomachountas autous horō. Ho gar ouranou kai gēs Kyrios, diʼ hou ta panta gegone, krinetai parʼ autois peri hēmeras kai hōras; kai ho ta panta ginōskōn Logos katēgoreitai parʼ autōn, hōs agnoōn peri hēmeras; kai ho ginōskōn Huios ton Patera legetai agnoein hēmeras hōran; hōn ti an tis aphronesteron eipoi, ē poian tis toutois exisōsoi manian? Dia tou Logou gegone ta panta, kai chronoi, kai kairoi, kai nyx, kai hēmera, kai pasa hē ktisis; kai agnoein ho dēmiourgos to poiēma legetai? kai autos men oun ho heirmos tou anagnōsmatos deiknysin eidenai ton Huion tou Theou tēn hōran, kai tēn hēmeran, kan hoi Areianoi tę̄ agnoią katapiptōsin. Eirēkōs gar, ‘oude ho Huios, ’ diēgeitai tois mathētais ta pro tēs hēmeras, legōn; ‘Tade estai kai tade, eita to telos.’ Ho de ta pro tēs hēmeras legōn oide pantōs kai tēn hēmeran, hētis meta ta proeirēmena phanēsetai. Ei de mē ę̄dei tēn hōran, ouk an ta pro autēs esēmanen, ouk eidōs pote estai hē hōra. Kai hōsper an tis oikian ē polin tois agnoousi sēmanai thelōn, ta men pro tēs oikias ē tēs poleōs diexioi; epeidan de panta sēmanas legoi, ‘Eisʼ euthys hē polis ē hē oikia; oide pantōs ho sēmainōn, pou te hē oikia ē hē polis estin; (ouk an gar ei mē eginōsken, esēmane ta pro ekeinōn, mē pote diʼ agnoian ē makran apostēsę̄ tous akouontas, ē autos legōn, lathę̄ kai hyperbę̄ to sēmainomenon;) houtō legōn ho Kyrios ta pro tēs hēmeras kai tēs hōras, oiden akribōs, kai ouk agnoei, pote hē hōra kai hē hēmera enistatai.

These things being so, come, let us examine also the saying, “But concerning the day and the hour no one knows, not even the angels, nor the Son.” For, being especially ignorant about this and growing dizzy over it, they think they have in it a great pretext for their heresy. But I see these heretics, alleging this too as a pretext and arming themselves with it, fighting against God again like the giants. For the Lord of heaven and earth, through whom all things came into being, is being judged by them about a day and an hour; and the Word who knows all things is accused by them of being ignorant about a day; and the Son who knows the Father is said to be ignorant of an hour of a day. What could one call more senseless than this, or what madness could one compare with it? Through the Word all things came into being—times, seasons, night and day, and the whole creation; and is the creator said to be ignorant of his own work? Indeed, the very sequence of the reading shows that the Son of God knows the hour and the day, even if the Arians fall into ignorance. For having said, “nor the Son,” he tells the disciples what comes before the day, saying, “This and this will happen, and then the end.” And he who tells what comes before the day surely knows the day too, which will appear after the things foretold. But if he did not know the hour, he would not have indicated what comes before it, not knowing when the hour will be. And as someone who wishes to point out a house or a city to those who do not know it describes what comes before the house or the city, and when he has indicated everything says, “Then at once comes the city,” or “the house,” the one pointing it out surely knows where the house or the city is (for if he did not know, he would not have described what comes before them, lest through ignorance he either lead his hearers far astray or, while speaking, himself overlook and pass by what he is pointing out); so the Lord, telling what comes before the day and the hour, knows exactly, and is not ignorant, when the hour and the day are at hand.

Mark 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:36 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 11:25 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 24:14 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius turns to Mark 13:32; the creator of times cannot be ignorant of a day, and Christ, who foretold the signs before the end, must know the end itself.

  • This begins Athanasius's treatment of the Son's professed ignorance of the last day (3.42–50).
  • “Then at once comes …” translates a phrase the digital text gives as “Εἶς εὐθὺς,” probably a slip for “Εἶτα εὐθὺς”; translated by sense.
  • The text reads νομίζουσινἔχειν (words run together); corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Words run together.): νομίζουσινἔχειν → νομίζουσιν ἔχειν.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 42 (Bright, 195–196; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-42). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 43

43Bright, 196–197

43. Τίνος οὖν ἕνεκεν, γινώσκων, οὐκ εἶπε φανερῶς τότε τοῖς μαθηταῖς, οὐδενός ἐστι περιεργάσασθαι, ἃ σεσιώπηκεν αὐτός. ‘Τίς γὰρ ἔγνω νοῦν Κυρίου; ἢ τίς σύμβουλος αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο;’ Τίνος δὲ χάριν γινώσκων ἔλεγεν, ὅτι ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδεν, ʼ οὐδένα τῶν πιστῶν ἀγνοεῖν οἶμαι, ὅτι καὶ τοῦτο οὐδὲν ἧττον διὰ τὴν σάρκα ὡς ἄνθρωπος ἔλεγεν. Οὐδὲ γὰρ οὐδὲ τοῦτο ἐλάττωμα τοῦ Λόγου ἐστὶν, ἀλλὰ τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης φύσεως, ἧς ἐστιν ἴδιον καὶ τὸ ἀγνοεῖν. Καὶ τοῦτο πάλιν ἄν τις ἴδοι καλῶς, ἐὰν καὶ τὸν καιρὸν ἐξετάζῃ μετὰ συνειδήσεως ἀγαθῆς, πότε καὶ τίσιν ἔλεγε ταῦτα ὁ Σωτήρ. Οὐ τοίνυν ὅτε ὁ οὐρανὸς διʼ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, οὐδʼ ὅτε ἦν παρʼ αὐτῷ τῷ Πατρὶ ὁ Λόγος ‘ἁρμόζωνʼ τὰ πάντα, οὐδὲ πρὸ τοῦ γενέσθαι ἄνθρωπος ἔλεγε ταῦτα· ἀλλʼ ὅτε ‘ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο.’ Διὰ τοῦτο καὶ πάντα, ὅσα μετὰ τὸ γενέσθαι ἄνθρωπος, ἀνθρωπίνως λέγει, ταῦτα τῇ ἀνθρωπότητι δίκαιον ἀνατιθέναι. Τοῦ μὲν γὰρ Λόγου ἴδιόν ἐστιν εἰδέναι τὰ πεποιημένα, καὶ τούτων τὴν ἀρχὴν καὶ τὸ τέλος μὴ ἀγνοεῖν· αὐτοῦ γάρ ἐστιν ἔργα· καὶ οἶδεν ὁπόσα, καὶ ἕως τίνος τὴν σύστασιν αὐτῶν εἰργάσατο. Εἰδὼς δὲ τὴν ἀρχὴν ἑκάστου καὶ τὸ τέλος, οἶδε πάντως καὶ τὸ καθόλου καὶ κοινὸν πάντων τέλος. Ἀμέλει λέγων ἐν τῷ εὐαγγελίῳ περὶ τοῦ κατὰ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον αὐτοῦ, ‘Πάτερ, ἐλήλυθεν ἡ ὥρα, δόξασόν σου τὸν Υἱὸν, ʼ δῆλός ἐστιν ὅτι καὶ τὴν περὶ τοῦ πάντων τέλους ὥραν, ὡς μὲν Λόγος, γινώσκει, ὡς δὲ ἄνθρωπος, ἀγνοεῖ· ἀνθρώπου γὰρ ἴδιον τὸ ἀγνοεῖν, καὶ μάλιστα ταῦτα. Ἀλλὰ καὶ τοῦτο τῆς φιλανθρωπίας ἴδιον τοῦ Σωτῆρος. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ γέγονεν ἄνθρωπος, οὐκ ἐπαισχύνεται διὰ τὴν σάρκα τὴν ἀγνοοῦσαν εἰπεῖν, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἵνα δείξῃ ὅτι, εἰδὼς ὡς Θεὸς, ἀγνοεῖ σαρκικῶς. Οὐκ εἴρηκε γοῦν, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ οἶδεν, ʼ ἵνα μὴ ἡ θεότης ἀγνοοῦσα φαίνηται· ἀλλʼ ἀπλῶς, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ʼ ἵνα τοῦ ἐξ ἀνθρώπων γενομένου Υἱοῦ ἡ ἄγνοια ᾖ.

43. Tinos oun heneken, ginōskōn, ouk eipe phanerōs tote tois mathētais, oudenos esti periergasasthai, ha sesiōpēken autos. ‘Tis gar egnō noun Kyriou? ē tis symboulos autou egeneto?’ Tinos de charin ginōskōn elegen, hoti ‘oude ho Huios oiden, ʼ oudena tōn pistōn agnoein oimai, hoti kai touto ouden hētton dia tēn sarka hōs anthrōpos elegen. Oude gar oude touto elattōma tou Logou estin, alla tēs anthrōpinēs physeōs, hēs estin idion kai to agnoein. Kai touto palin an tis idoi kalōs, ean kai ton kairon exetazę̄ meta syneidēseōs agathēs, pote kai tisin elege tauta ho Sōtēr. Ou toinyn hote ho ouranos diʼ autou egeneto, oudʼ hote ēn parʼ autǭ tǭ Patri ho Logos ‘harmozōnʼ ta panta, oude pro tou genesthai anthrōpos elege tauta; allʼ hote ‘ho Logos sarx egeneto.’ Dia touto kai panta, hosa meta to genesthai anthrōpos, anthrōpinōs legei, tauta tę̄ anthrōpotēti dikaion anatithenai. Tou men gar Logou idion estin eidenai ta pepoiēmena, kai toutōn tēn archēn kai to telos mē agnoein; autou gar estin erga; kai oiden hoposa, kai heōs tinos tēn systasin autōn eirgasato. Eidōs de tēn archēn hekastou kai to telos, oide pantōs kai to katholou kai koinon pantōn telos. Amelei legōn en tǭ euangeliǭ peri tou kata to anthrōpinon autou, ‘Pater, elēlythen hē hōra, doxason sou ton Huion, ʼ dēlos estin hoti kai tēn peri tou pantōn telous hōran, hōs men Logos, ginōskei, hōs de anthrōpos, agnoei; anthrōpou gar idion to agnoein, kai malista tauta. Alla kai touto tēs philanthrōpias idion tou Sōtēros. Epeidē gar gegonen anthrōpos, ouk epaischynetai dia tēn sarka tēn agnoousan eipein, ‘ouk oida, ʼ hina deixę̄ hoti, eidōs hōs Theos, agnoei sarkikōs. Ouk eirēke goun, ‘oude ho Huios tou Theou oiden, ʼ hina mē hē theotēs agnoousa phainētai; allʼ aplōs, ‘oude ho Huios, ʼ hina tou ex anthrōpōn genomenou Huiou hē agnoia ę̄.

Why, then, though he knew, he did not tell the disciples plainly at that time, no one may inquire curiously, since he himself kept silent about it. “For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” But why, though he knew, he said that “not even the Son knows,” I think no believer is ignorant: that he said this too, no less, as man, because of the flesh. For this too is not a defect of the Word, but of human nature, to which ignorance is proper. And one may see this well again if one examines, with a good conscience, the occasion too: when and to whom the Saviour said these things. He did not say them when the heaven came into being through him, nor when the Word was with the Father himself “harmonizing” all things, nor before he became man, but when “the Word became flesh.” That is why it is just to ascribe to his humanity everything that he says in human fashion after he became man. For it is proper to the Word to know the things that have been made, and not to be ignorant of their beginning and end; for they are his works; and he knows how many they are, and until when he has wrought their continuance. And knowing the beginning and end of each, he surely knows also the general and common end of all. Indeed, when he says in the Gospel, with respect to his humanity, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son,” it is clear that he knows the hour of the end of all things as Word, but as man is ignorant of it; for ignorance is proper to man, and especially of these things. But this too belongs to the Saviour's love for humankind. For since he has become man, he is not ashamed, because of the flesh that is ignorant, to say, “I do not know,” so as to show that, knowing as God, he is ignorant according to the flesh. At any rate, he did not say, “not even the Son of God knows,” lest the Godhead should appear ignorant, but simply, “nor the Son,” so that the ignorance might belong to the Son who was born of human beings.

Rom 11:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 8:30 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:1 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ said “nor the Son” of the last day as man, because of his flesh: as Word he knows the end of all things, as man he does not, and he did not say “the Son of God,” lest the Godhead seem ignorant.

  • Athanasius's answer to Mark 13:32 is that the Son knows the hour “as Word” but is ignorant of it “as man,” and that he spoke so out of love for humankind.
  • Slips corrected: ᾗττον to ἧττον, οἷδεν to οἶδεν.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.; Breathing slip.): ᾗττον → ἧττον; Θεοῦ οἷδεν → Θεοῦ οἶδεν.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 43 (Bright, 196–197; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-43). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 44

44Bright, 197–198

44. Διὰ τοῦτο καὶ περὶ ἀγγέλων λέγων, οὐκ εἴρηκεν ἐπαναβαίνων, ὅτι ‘οὐδὲ τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον· ʼ ἀλλʼ ἐσιώπησε, δεικνὺς κατὰ δύο ταῦτα, ὅτι εἰ τὸ Πνεῦμα οἶδεν, πολλῷ μᾶλλον ὁ Λόγος, ᾗ Λόγος ἐστὶν, οἶδε, παρʼ οὗ καὶ τὸ Πνεῦμα λαμβάνει· καὶ ὅτι, περὶ τοῦ Πνεύματος σιωπήσας, φανερὸν πεποίηκεν ὅτι περὶ τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης αὐτοῦ λειτουργίας ἔλεγεν, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱός.’ Καὶ τούτου τεκμήριον, ὅτι, ἀνθρωπίνως εἰρηκὼς, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδε, ’ δείκνυσιν ὅμως θεϊκῶς ἑαυτὸν τὰ πάντα εἰδότα, Ὃν γὰρ λέγει Υἱὸν τὴν ἡμέραν μὴ εἰδέναι, τοῦτον εἰδέναι λέγει τὸν Πατέρα· ‘οὐδεὶςʼ γὰρ, φησὶ, ‘γινώσκει τὸν Πατέρα εἰ μὴ ὁ Υἱός.’ Πᾶς δὲ πλὴν τῶν Ἀρειανῶν συνομολογήσειεν ὡς ὁ τὸν Πατέρα γινώσκων πολλῷ μᾶλλον οἶδε τῆς κτίσεως τὸ ὅλον· ἐν δὲ τῷ ὅλῳ καὶ τὸ τέλος ἐστὶ ταύτης. Καὶ εἰ ἤδη δὲ ὥρισται ἡ ἡμέρα καὶ ἡ ὥρα παρὰ τοῦ Πατρὸς, δῆλόν ἐστιν ὅτι διὰ τοῦ Υἱοῦ ὥρισται, καὶ οἶδεν αὐτὸς τὸ διʼ αὐτοῦ ὁρισθέν. Οὐδὲν γάρ ἐστιν ὃ μὴ διὰ Υἱοῦ γέγονέ τε καὶ ὥρισται· οὐκοῦν αὐτὸς, δημιουργὸς ὢν τοῦ παντὸς, οἶδεν ὁποῖον καὶ ὁπόσον, καὶ ἕως τίνος αὐτὸ γενέσθαι βεβούληται ὁ Πατήρ· ἐν δὲ τῷ πόσῳ καὶ μέχρι τίνος ἐστὶν ἡ τούτων ἀλλαγή. Πάλιν τε εἰ ‘πάντα τὰ τοῦ Πατρὸς τοῦ Υἱοῦ ἐστιν, ’ (τοῦτο γὰρ αὐτὸς εἴρηκε·) τοῦ δὲ Πατρός ἐστι τὸ εἰδέναι τὴν ἡμέραν, δῆλον ὅτι καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδεν, ἴδιον ἔχων καὶ τοῦτο ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός. Καὶ πάλιν, εἰ ὁ Υἱὸς ‘ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ, καὶ ὁ Πατὴρ ἐν τῷ Υἱῷʼ οἶδε δὲ ὁ Πατὴρ τὴν ἡμέραν καὶ τὴν ὥραν, φανερὸν ὅτι καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς, ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ ὢν καὶ εἰδὼς τὰ ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ, οἶδε καὶ αὐτὸς τὴν ἡμέραν καὶ τὴν ὥραν. Εἰ δὲ καὶ εἰκών ἐστιν ἀληθινὴ τοῦ Πατρὸς ὁ Υἱὸς, οἶδε δὲ ὁ Πατὴρ τὴν ἡμέραν καὶ τὴν ὥραν, δῆλον ὅτι καὶ τοῦ εἰδέναι ταῦτα τὴν ὁμοιότητα τοῦ Πατρὸς ὁ Υἱὸς ἔχει. Καὶ οὐ θαυμαστὸν, εἰ διʼ οὗ ‘τὰ πάντα γέγονε, καὶ ἐν ᾧ ‘συνέστηκεʼτὰ ὅλα, οἶδεν αὐτὸς τὰ γενόμενα, καὶ πότε τούτων ἑκάστου καὶ κοινῇ τὸ τέλος· ἀλλʼ ὅτι καὶ αὕτη ἡ προπέτεια, πρέπουσα τῇ μανίᾳ τῶν Ἀρειομανιτῶν οὖσα, εἰς τοσαύτην ἡμᾶς ἀπολογίαν ἠνάγκασεν ἐλθεῖν. Συναριθμοῦντες γὰρ τοῖς γενητοῖς τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν ἀίδιον Λόγον, κατʼ ὀλίγον καὶ αὐτὸν τὸν Πατέρα ἐλάττονα τῆς κτίσεως μελετῶσι λέγειν. Εἰ γὰρ ὁ τὸν Πατέρα γινώσκων οὐκ οἶδε τὴν ἡμέραν οὐδὲ τὴν ὥραν, φοβοῦμαι μὴ μείζων ἔσται, ὡς ἂν ἐκεῖνοι μανέντες εἴποιεν, ἡ περὶ τῆς κτίσεως, μᾶλλον δὲ ἡ περὶ τοῦ ἐλάττονος μέρους τῆς κτίσεως γνῶσις τῆς περὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς γνώσεως.

44. Dia touto kai peri angelōn legōn, ouk eirēken epanabainōn, hoti ‘oude to Pneuma to hagion; ʼ allʼ esiōpēse, deiknys kata dyo tauta, hoti ei to Pneuma oiden, pollǭ mallon ho Logos, hę̄ Logos estin, oide, parʼ hou kai to Pneuma lambanei; kai hoti, peri tou Pneumatos siōpēsas, phaneron pepoiēken hoti peri tēs anthrōpinēs autou leitourgias elegen, ‘oude ho Huios.’ Kai toutou tekmērion, hoti, anthrōpinōs eirēkōs, ‘oude ho Huios oide, ’ deiknysin homōs theïkōs heauton ta panta eidota, Hon gar legei Huion tēn hēmeran mē eidenai, touton eidenai legei ton Patera; ‘oudeisʼ gar, phēsi, ‘ginōskei ton Patera ei mē ho Huios.’ Pas de plēn tōn Areianōn synomologēseien hōs ho ton Patera ginōskōn pollǭ mallon oide tēs ktiseōs to holon; en de tǭ holǭ kai to telos esti tautēs. Kai ei ēdē de hōristai hē hēmera kai hē hōra para tou Patros, dēlon estin hoti dia tou Huiou hōristai, kai oiden autos to diʼ autou horisthen. Ouden gar estin ho mē dia Huiou gegone te kai hōristai; oukoun autos, dēmiourgos ōn tou pantos, oiden hopoion kai hoposon, kai heōs tinos auto genesthai beboulētai ho Patēr; en de tǭ posǭ kai mechri tinos estin hē toutōn allagē. Palin te ei ‘panta ta tou Patros tou Huiou estin, ’ (touto gar autos eirēke;) tou de Patros esti to eidenai tēn hēmeran, dēlon hoti kai ho Huios oiden, idion echōn kai touto ek tou Patros. Kai palin, ei ho Huios ‘en tǭ Patri, kai ho Patēr en tǭ Huiǭʼ oide de ho Patēr tēn hēmeran kai tēn hōran, phaneron hoti kai ho Huios, en tǭ Patri ōn kai eidōs ta en tǭ Patri, oide kai autos tēn hēmeran kai tēn hōran. Ei de kai eikōn estin alēthinē tou Patros ho Huios, oide de ho Patēr tēn hēmeran kai tēn hōran, dēlon hoti kai tou eidenai tauta tēn homoiotēta tou Patros ho Huios echei. Kai ou thaumaston, ei diʼ hou ‘ta panta gegone, kai en hǭ ‘synestēkeʼta hola, oiden autos ta genomena, kai pote toutōn hekastou kai koinę̄ to telos; allʼ hoti kai hautē hē propeteia, prepousa tę̄ manią tōn Areiomanitōn ousa, eis tosautēn hēmas apologian ēnankasen elthein. Synarithmountes gar tois genētois ton Huion tou Theou ton aidion Logon, katʼ oligon kai auton ton Patera elattona tēs ktiseōs meletōsi legein. Ei gar ho ton Patera ginōskōn ouk oide tēn hēmeran oude tēn hōran, phoboumai mē meizōn estai, hōs an ekeinoi manentes eipoien, hē peri tēs ktiseōs, mallon de hē peri tou elattonos merous tēs ktiseōs gnōsis tēs peri tou Patros gnōseōs.

That is why, when speaking of the angels, he did not go on to say, “nor the Holy Spirit,” but kept silent, showing by this two things: that if the Spirit knows, much more does the Word, as Word, know, from whom the Spirit too receives; and that, by keeping silent about the Spirit, he has made it plain that it was with respect to his human ministry that he said, “nor the Son.” And a proof of this is that, having said humanly, “not even the Son knows,” he nevertheless shows divinely that he knows all things. For the Son whom he says does not know the day he says knows the Father; “for no one,” he says, “knows the Father except the Son.” And everyone except the Arians would agree that he who knows the Father knows much more the whole of creation, and the whole includes its end. And if the day and the hour have already been determined by the Father, it is clear that they have been determined through the Son, and that he himself knows what was determined through him. For there is nothing that did not come into being and was not determined through the Son; so he, being the creator of the universe, knows of what kind and how great the Father has willed it to be, and until when; and in the “how great” and “until when” lies its change. And again, if “all that is the Father's is the Son's” (for he himself said this), and knowing the day belongs to the Father, it is clear that the Son too knows it, having this too as his own from the Father. And again, if the Son is “in the Father and the Father in the Son,” and the Father knows the day and the hour, it is evident that the Son too, being in the Father and knowing what is in the Father, himself knows the day and the hour. And if the Son is the true image of the Father, and the Father knows the day and the hour, it is clear that the Son has the likeness of the Father in knowing these things too. And it is not wonderful that he through whom “all things came into being,” and in whom the universe “holds together,” himself knows the things that came into being, and when the end of each of them and of all in common will be; what is wonderful is that this rashness, befitting the madness of the Ariomaniacs, has forced us to come to so long a defence. For by numbering the Son of God, the eternal Word, with originated things, they are gradually practising to say that the Father himself is less than creation. For if he who knows the Father does not know the day or the hour, I fear lest knowledge of creation, or rather of the lesser part of creation, should be greater, as those madmen might say, than knowledge of the Father.

Mark 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · John 16:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence) · John 16:15 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:15 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:17 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ does not say “nor the Spirit,” showing that his not knowing is human; as the one who knows the Father, creates and determines all things, and has all that is the Father's, the Son knows the day.

  • Slips corrected: ᾗ restored (ὁ Λόγος, ᾗ Λόγος ἐστὶν), οἷδε to οἶδε, οἴδεν to οἶδεν.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.; Word dropped (ᾗ).): ὁ Λόγος, Λόγος ἐστὶν → ὁ Λόγος, ᾗ Λόγος ἐστὶν; Υἱὸς οἷδε → Υἱὸς οἶδε; ὁ Υἱὸς οἴδεν → ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδεν.

Topics: Christology, Trinity, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 44 (Bright, 197–198; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-44). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 45

45Bright, 198–199

45. Ἀλλʼ ἐκεῖνοι μὲν, οὕτως εἰς τὸ Πνεῦμα βλασφημοῦντες, προσδοκάτωσαν μὴ λαμβάνειν ποτὲ τῆς ἀσεβείας ταύτης ‘ἄφεσιν, ʼ ὡς ὁ Κύριος εἴρηκεν· οἱ δὲ φιλόχριστοι καὶ Χριστοφόροι γινώσκομεν ὡς οὐκ ἀγνοῶν ὁ Λόγος, ᾗ Λόγος ἐστὶν, ἔλεγεν, ‘οὐκ οἶδα· ʼ οἶδε γάρ· ἀλλὰ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον δεικνὺς, ὅτι τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἴδιόν ἐστι τὸ ἀγνοεῖν, καὶ ὅτι σάρκα ἀγνοοῦσαν ἐνεδύσατο, ἐν ὢν, σαρκικῶς ἔλεγεν, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ’ Τότε γοῦν εἰρηκὼς ὅτι ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδε, ʼ καὶ τῶν κατὰ Νῶε ἀνθρώπων τὴν ἄγνοιαν παραθεὶς, εὐθὺς ἐπήγαγε, ‘Γρηγορεῖτε οὖν, ὅτι οὐκ οἴδατε οὐδὲ ὑμεῖς ποίᾳ ὥρᾳ ὁ Κύριος ὑμῶν ἔρχεται, ʼ καὶ πάλιν, ‘ᾗ οὐ δοκεῖτε ὥρᾳ, ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἔρχεται· διʼ ὑμᾶς γὰρ κἀγὼ γενόμενος ὡς ὑμεῖς, εἶπον, οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱός.’ Ἔδει δὲ, εἴπερ ἦν ἀγνοῶν θεϊκῶς, εἰπεῖν, ‘Γρηγορεῖτε οὖν, ὅτι οὐκ οἶδα·’ καὶ, ‘ᾗ οὐ δοκῶ ὥρᾳ·’ νῦν δὲ, τοῦτο μὲν οὐκ εἶπεν· εἰρηκὼς δὲ, ὅτι ‘οὐκ οἴδατε ὑμεῖς, ’ καὶ, ‘ᾗ οὐ δοκεῖτε, ʼ ἔδειξεν ὅτι τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐστὶ τὸ ἀγνοεῖν· διʼ οὓς καὶ αὐτὸς, τὴν ὁμοίαν αὐτῶν ἔχων σάρκα, καὶ ἄνθρωπος γενόμενος, ἔλεγεν, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδεν·’ ‘οὐκ οἶδεʼ γὰρ σαρκὶ, καίπερ ὡς Λόγος γινώσκων. Καὶ τὸ κατὰ Νῶε δὲ παράδειγμα πάλιν ἐλέγχει τὴν ἀναίδειαν τῶν Χριστομάχων· καὶ γὰρ κἀκεῖ οὐκ εἶπεν, ‘οὐκ ἔγνων, ’ ἀλλʼ, ‘οὐκ ἔγνωσαν, ἕως ἦλθεν ὁ κατακλυσμός. Οἱ μὲν γὰρ ἄνθρωποι οὐκ ἐγίνωσκον· ὁ δὲ τὸν κατακλυσμὸν ἐπαγαγὼν (αὐτὸς δὲ ἦν ὁ Σωτὴρ) ἐγίνωσκε τὴν ἡμέραν καὶ τὴν ὥραν, ἐν ᾗ ‘τοὺς καταῤῥάκτας τοῦ οὐρανοῦʼ ἤνοιγε, καὶ τὰς ‘ἀβύσσουςʼ ἐῤῥήγευε, καὶ τῷ Νῶε εἴρηκεν· ‘Εἴσελθε σὺ καὶ οἱ υἱοί σου εἰς τὴν κιβωτόν.’ Εἰ δὲ ἦν ἀγνοῶν, οὐκ ἂν προέλεγε τῷ Νῶε, ‘Ἔτι γὰρ ἡμερῶν ἑπτὰ, ἐγὼ ἐπάγω τὸν κατακλυσμὸν ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν. ʼ Εἰ δὲ ἐκ τῆς εἰκόνος τῆς κατὰ τὸν Νῶε σημαίνει τὴν ἡμέραν, ἔγνω δὲ τὴν ἡμέραν τοῦ κατακλυσμοῦ, οἶδεν ἄρα καὶ τὴν ἡμέραν τῆς ἑαυτοῦ παρουσίας.

45. Allʼ ekeinoi men, houtōs eis to Pneuma blasphēmountes, prosdokatōsan mē lambanein pote tēs asebeias tautēs ‘aphesin, ʼ hōs ho Kyrios eirēken; hoi de philochristoi kai Christophoroi ginōskomen hōs ouk agnoōn ho Logos, hę̄ Logos estin, elegen, ‘ouk oida; ʼ oide gar; alla to anthrōpinon deiknys, hoti tōn anthrōpōn idion esti to agnoein, kai hoti sarka agnoousan enedysato, en ōn, sarkikōs elegen, ‘ouk oida, ’ Tote goun eirēkōs hoti ‘oude ho Huios oide, ʼ kai tōn kata Nōe anthrōpōn tēn agnoian paratheis, euthys epēgage, ‘Grēgoreite oun, hoti ouk oidate oude hymeis poią hōrą ho Kyrios hymōn erchetai, ʼ kai palin, ‘hę̄ ou dokeite hōrą, ho Huios tou anthrōpou erchetai; diʼ hymas gar kagō genomenos hōs hymeis, eipon, oude ho Huios.’ Edei de, eiper ēn agnoōn theïkōs, eipein, ‘Grēgoreite oun, hoti ouk oida;’ kai, ‘hę̄ ou dokō hōrą;’ nyn de, touto men ouk eipen; eirēkōs de, hoti ‘ouk oidate hymeis, ’ kai, ‘hę̄ ou dokeite, ʼ edeixen hoti tōn anthrōpōn esti to agnoein; diʼ hous kai autos, tēn homoian autōn echōn sarka, kai anthrōpos genomenos, elegen, ‘oude ho Huios oiden;’ ‘ouk oideʼ gar sarki, kaiper hōs Logos ginōskōn. Kai to kata Nōe de paradeigma palin elenchei tēn anaideian tōn Christomachōn; kai gar kakei ouk eipen, ‘ouk egnōn, ’ allʼ, ‘ouk egnōsan, heōs ēlthen ho kataklysmos. Hoi men gar anthrōpoi ouk eginōskon; ho de ton kataklysmon epagagōn (autos de ēn ho Sōtēr) eginōske tēn hēmeran kai tēn hōran, en hę̄ ‘tous katarrhaktas tou ouranouʼ ēnoige, kai tas ‘abyssousʼ errhēgeue, kai tǭ Nōe eirēken; ‘Eiselthe sy kai hoi huioi sou eis tēn kibōton.’ Ei de ēn agnoōn, ouk an proelege tǭ Nōe, ‘Eti gar hēmerōn hepta, egō epagō ton kataklysmon epi tēn gēn. ʼ Ei de ek tēs eikonos tēs kata ton Nōe sēmainei tēn hēmeran, egnō de tēn hēmeran tou kataklysmou, oiden ara kai tēn hēmeran tēs heautou parousias.

But let them, blaspheming thus against the Spirit, expect never to receive “forgiveness” for this impiety, as the Lord said; but we who love Christ and bear Christ know that the Word said “I do not know” not as being ignorant, as Word (for he knows), but showing his humanity: that ignorance is proper to human beings, and that he had put on flesh that is ignorant, and, being in it, he said according to the flesh, “I do not know.” At any rate, having then said that “not even the Son knows,” and having set out the ignorance of the people in Noah's time, he at once added, “Watch, therefore, for you do not know at what hour your Lord is coming,” and again, “The Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect”—“for I too, having become like you for your sake, said, ‘nor the Son.’” But if he were ignorant divinely, he ought to have said, “Watch, therefore, for I do not know,” and “at an hour I do not expect”; but as it is, he did not say this, but by saying “you do not know” and “you do not expect” he showed that ignorance belongs to human beings; and it was for their sake that he too, having flesh like theirs and having become man, said, “not even the Son knows”; for he does not know in the flesh, though as Word he knows. And the example of Noah again refutes the shamelessness of the Christ-fighters; for there too he did not say, “I did not know,” but “they did not know until the flood came.” For the people did not know; but he who brought the flood (and that was the Saviour) knew the day and the hour in which he opened “the floodgates of heaven” and broke open “the deeps,” and said to Noah, “Go in, you and your sons, into the ark.” If he had been ignorant, he would not have foretold to Noah, “For in seven more days I will bring the flood upon the earth.” And if he signifies the day by the image of Noah's time, and knew the day of the flood, then he knows the day of his own coming as well.

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Summary: Christ tells the disciples “you do not know,” never “I do not know” as God; and as the one who brought the flood and foretold it to Noah, he knows the day of his own coming.

  • “For I too, having become like you for your sake, said, ‘nor the Son’” is Athanasius's paraphrase of Christ's meaning, not Scripture.
  • Slips corrected: εἷπον to εἶπον, εἷπεν to εἶπεν.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.): εἷπον, οὐδὲ → εἶπον, οὐδὲ; τοῦτο μὲν οὐκ εἷπεν → τοῦτο μὲν οὐκ εἶπεν.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 45 (Bright, 198–199; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-45). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 46

46Bright, 199–200

46. Καὶ τὴν κατὰ τὰς παρθένους δὲ ὁμοίωσιν εἰρηκὼς, φανερώτερον πάλιν ἔδειξε, τίνες εἰσὶν οἱ ἀγνοοῦντες τὴν ἡμέραν καὶ τὴν ὥραν, λέγων, ‘Γρηγορεῖτε οὖν, ὅτι οὐκ οἴδατε τὴν ἡμέραν ἢ τὴν ὥραν, ’ ὁ πρὸ ὀλίγου λέγων, ‘οὐδεὶς οἶδεν, οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ʼ νῦν οὐκ εἶπεν, ὅτι ‘ἐγὼ οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἀλλʼ ὅτι ‘ὑμεῖς οὐκ οἴδατε.’ Οὕτως ἄρα πυνθανομένων τῶν μαθητῶν περὶ τοῦ τέλους, καλῶς εἶπε τότε καὶ τὸ ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ʼ σαρκικῶς διὰ τὸ σῶμα, ἵνα δείξῃ ὅτι, ὡς ἄνθρωπος, οὐκ οἶδεν· ἀνθρώπων γὰρ ἴδιον τὸ ἀγνοεῖν. Εἰ μέντοι Λόγος ἐστὶ, καὶ αὐτός ἐστιν ‘ὁ ἐρχόμενος, καὶ αὐτὸς κριτὴς, καὶ αὐτὸς ὁ νυμφίος, οἶδε πότε καὶ ποίᾳ ὥρᾳ ἔρχεται, καὶ πότε μέλλει λέγειν, ‘Ἔγειραι, ὁ καθεύδων, καὶ ἀνάστα ἐκ τῶν νεκρῶν, καὶ ἐπιφαύσει σοι ὁ Χριστός.’ Ὥσπερ γὰρ, ἄνθρωπος γενόμενος, μετὰ ἀνθρώπων πεινᾷ καὶ διψᾷ καὶ πάσχει, οὕτω μετὰ μὲν τῶν ἀνθρώπων, ὡς ἄνθρωπος, οὐκ οἶδε· θεικῶς δὲ, ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ ὢν Λόγος καὶ Σοφία, οἶδε, καὶ οὐδέν ἐστιν ὃ ἀγνοεῖ. Οὕτως καὶ περὶ Λαζάρου πάλιν ἀνθρωπίνως πυνθάνεται, ὁ ἀπελθὼν ἐγεῖραι αὐτὸν, καὶ εἰδὼς πόθεν ἀνακαλέσηται τὴν Λαζάρου ψυχήν· μεῖζον δὲ τὸ εἰδέναι ποῦ ἦν ἡ ψυχὴ τοῦ εἰδέναι ποῦ ἔκειτο τὸ σῶμα· ἀλλὰ ἀνθρωπίνως ἐπηρώτα, ἵνα θεϊκῶς ἀνεγείρῃ. Οὕτω καὶ τῶν μαθητῶν πυνθάνεται ἐλθὼν εἰς τὰ μέρη Καισαρείας, καίπερ εἰδὼς καὶ πρὶν ἀποκρίνασθαι τὸν Πέτρον. Εἰ γὰρ ὁ Πατὴρ ἀπεκάλυψε τῷ Πέτρῳ περὶ ὧν ὁ Κύριος ἐπυνθάνετο, δῆλόν ἐστιν ὅτι διὰ τοῦ Υἱοῦ γέγονεν ἡ ἀποκάλυψις· ‘οὐδεὶς γὰρ ‘οἶδε τὸν Υἱὸν, ’ φησὶν, ‘εἰ μὴ ὁ Πατὴρ, καὶ τὸν Πατέρα, εἰ μὴ ὁ Υἱὸς, καὶ ᾧ ἐὰν θέλῃ ὁ Υἱὸς ἀποκαλύψαι. Εἰ δὲ διʼ Υἱοῦ ἥ τε τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ γνῶσις ἀποκαλύπτεται, οὐκ ἀμφίβολον ὡς αὐτὸς ὁ πυνθανόμενος Κύριος, πρότερον ἀποκαλύψας τῷ Πέτρῳ παρὰ τοῦ Πατρὸς, ὕστερον ἀνθρωπίνως ἐπυνθάνετο, ἵνα καὶ τοῦτο δείξῃ, ὅτι σαρκικῶς πυνθανόμενος, ᾔδει θεϊκῶς ἃ ἔμελλε λέγειν ὁ Πέτρος· οἶδεν ἄρα ὁ Υἱὸς, γινώσκων τὰ πάντα, καὶ γινώσκων τὸν ἑαυτοῦ Πατέρα, ἧς γνώσεως οὔτε μεῖζον οὔτε τελειότερον ἄν τι γένοιτο.

46. Kai tēn kata tas parthenous de homoiōsin eirēkōs, phanerōteron palin edeixe, tines eisin hoi agnoountes tēn hēmeran kai tēn hōran, legōn, ‘Grēgoreite oun, hoti ouk oidate tēn hēmeran ē tēn hōran, ’ ho pro oligou legōn, ‘oudeis oiden, oude ho Huios, ʼ nyn ouk eipen, hoti ‘egō ouk oida, ʼ allʼ hoti ‘hymeis ouk oidate.’ Houtōs ara pynthanomenōn tōn mathētōn peri tou telous, kalōs eipe tote kai to ‘oude ho Huios, ʼ sarkikōs dia to sōma, hina deixę̄ hoti, hōs anthrōpos, ouk oiden; anthrōpōn gar idion to agnoein. Ei mentoi Logos esti, kai autos estin ‘ho erchomenos, kai autos kritēs, kai autos ho nymphios, oide pote kai poią hōrą erchetai, kai pote mellei legein, ‘Egeirai, ho katheudōn, kai anasta ek tōn nekrōn, kai epiphausei soi ho Christos.’ Hōsper gar, anthrōpos genomenos, meta anthrōpōn peiną kai dipsą kai paschei, houtō meta men tōn anthrōpōn, hōs anthrōpos, ouk oide; theikōs de, en tǭ Patri ōn Logos kai Sophia, oide, kai ouden estin ho agnoei. Houtōs kai peri Lazarou palin anthrōpinōs pynthanetai, ho apelthōn egeirai auton, kai eidōs pothen anakalesētai tēn Lazarou psychēn; meizon de to eidenai pou ēn hē psychē tou eidenai pou ekeito to sōma; alla anthrōpinōs epērōta, hina theïkōs anegeirę̄. Houtō kai tōn mathētōn pynthanetai elthōn eis ta merē Kaisareias, kaiper eidōs kai prin apokrinasthai ton Petron. Ei gar ho Patēr apekalypse tǭ Petrǭ peri hōn ho Kyrios epynthaneto, dēlon estin hoti dia tou Huiou gegonen hē apokalypsis; ‘oudeis gar ‘oide ton Huion, ’ phēsin, ‘ei mē ho Patēr, kai ton Patera, ei mē ho Huios, kai hǭ ean thelę̄ ho Huios apokalypsai. Ei de diʼ Huiou hē te tou Patros kai tou Huiou gnōsis apokalyptetai, ouk amphibolon hōs autos ho pynthanomenos Kyrios, proteron apokalypsas tǭ Petrǭ para tou Patros, hysteron anthrōpinōs epynthaneto, hina kai touto deixę̄, hoti sarkikōs pynthanomenos, ę̄dei theïkōs ha emelle legein ho Petros; oiden ara ho Huios, ginōskōn ta panta, kai ginōskōn ton heautou Patera, hēs gnōseōs oute meizon oute teleioteron an ti genoito.

And having told the parable of the virgins, he again showed more plainly who they are who do not know the day and the hour, saying, “Watch, therefore, for you do not know the day or the hour.” He who a little before said, “No one knows, not even the Son,” now did not say, “I do not know,” but “you do not know.” So when the disciples asked about the end, he fittingly said then too, “nor the Son,” according to the flesh, because of the body, to show that as man he does not know; for ignorance is proper to human beings. But since he is the Word, and he himself is “the one who is coming,” and himself the judge, and himself the bridegroom, he knows when and at what hour he is coming, and when he will say, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” For as, having become man, he hungers and thirsts and suffers with human beings, so with human beings, as man, he does not know; but divinely, being Word and Wisdom in the Father, he knows, and there is nothing of which he is ignorant. So too, again, about Lazarus he inquires in human fashion, he who went to raise him and knew from where he would call back Lazarus's soul; and it is a greater thing to know where the soul was than to know where the body lay; but he asked humanly in order to raise him divinely. So too he inquires of the disciples when he came into the region of Caesarea, although he knew even before Peter answered. For if the Father revealed to Peter the things about which the Lord was inquiring, it is clear that the revelation came through the Son; “for no one knows the Son,” he says, “except the Father, nor the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him.” And if the knowledge both of the Father and of the Son is revealed through the Son, there is no doubt that the Lord who inquired, having first revealed it to Peter from the Father, afterwards inquired in human fashion, to show this too: that, inquiring according to the flesh, he knew divinely what Peter was going to say. So the Son knows, since he knows all things and knows his own Father, than which knowledge nothing could be greater or more perfect.

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Notes and citation

Summary: In the parable of the virgins the ignorance is the disciples'; Christ, the coming judge and bridegroom, knows the hour, as he knew where Lazarus lay and what Peter would confess, though he asked in human fashion.

  • Slips corrected: Οὔτως to Οὕτως, a stray period after ψυχὴ.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Breathing slip.; Stray period.): Οὔτως ἄρα → Οὕτως ἄρα; ἡ ψυχὴ. τοῦ → ἡ ψυχὴ τοῦ.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 46 (Bright, 199–200; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-46). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 47

47Bright, 200–201

47. Ἱκανὰ μὲν οὖν ταῦτα πρὸς ἔλεγχον αὐτῶν· ἐβουλόμην δὲ ἐρωτῆσαι, ἵνα καὶ οὕτως ἐχθροὶ μᾶλλον τῆς ἀληθείας δεικνύωνται καὶ Χριστομάχοι. Ὁ ἀπόστολος ἐν τῇ δευτέρᾳ πρὸς Κορινθίους ἐπιστολῇ γράφων φησὶν, ‘Οἶδα ἄνθρωπον ἐν Χριστῷ πρὸ ἐτῶν δεκατεσσάρων, εἴτε ἐν σώματι, οὐκ οἶδα, εἴτε ἐκτὸς τοῦ σώματος, οὐκ οἶδα· ὁ Θεὸς οἶδε, ’ Τί τοίνυν φατέ; οἶδεν ὁ ἀπόστολος ὃ πέπονθεν ἐν τῇ ὀπτασίᾳ, κἂν λέγῃ, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἢ οὐκ οἶδεν; εἰ μὲν οὖν οὐκ οἶδε, σκοπεῖτε, μὴ, μαθόντες πίπτειν, πέσητε καὶ εἰς τὴν τῶν Φρυγῶν παρανομίαν τῶν λεγόντων μὴ εἰδέναι τοὺς προφήτας, μηδὲ τοὺς ἄλλους τοὺς διακονήσαντας τὸν Λόγον, μήτε ἃ ποιοῦσι, μήτε περὶ τίνων ἀπαγγέλλουσιν· εἰ δὲ οἶδε λέγων, ‘οὐκ οἶδα· (εἶχε γὰρ ἐν ἑαυτῷ τὸν Χριστὸν ἀποκαλύπτοντα αὐτῷ τὰ πάντα·) πῶς οὐκ ἀληθῶς ἐξεστραμμένη τῶν θεομάχων καὶ αὐτοκατάκριτός ἐστιν αὐτῶν ἡ καρδία; τὸν μὲν ἀπόστολον λέγοντα, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ λέγουσιν εἰδέναι, τὸν δὲ Κύριον λέγοντα, ‘οὐκ οἶδαʼ λέγουσι μὴ εἰδέναι; Εἰ γὰρ ἐπειδὴ Χριστὸς ἦν ἐν αὐτῷ, οἶδεν ὁ Παῦλος ἅπερ λέγει, ‘οὐκ οἶδα·’ πῶς οὐχὶ μᾶλλον αὐτὸς ὁ Χριστὸς οἶδε, κἂν λέγῃ, ‘οὐκ οἶδα;’ Ὁ μὲν οὖν ἀπόστολος ἀποκαλύπτοντος αὐτῷ τοῦ Κυρίου οἶδεν ὃ πέπονθε· διὰ τοῦτο γὰρ καὶ φησὶν, ‘οἶδα ἄνθρωπον ἐν Χριστῷ·’ εἰδὼς δὲ τὸν ἄνθρωπον, οἶδε καὶ πῶς ὁ ἄνθρωπος ἡρπάγη. Ὁ γοῦν Ἐλισσαῖος, βλέπων τὸν Ἠλίαν, οἶδε καὶ πῶς ἀνελήφθη· ἀλλὰ καίπερ γινώσκων, ὅμως τῶν υἱῶν τῶν προφητῶν νομιζόντων τὸν Ἠλίαν ‘εἰς ἓν τῶν ὁρέων ὑπὸ τοῦ Πνεύματος ἐῤῥίφθαι, ʼ αὐτὸς τὴν μὲν ἀρχὴν γινώσκων ὃ ἑώρακεν, ἔπειθε τοὺς ἄνδρας· βιαζομένων δὲ ἐκείνων, σεσιώπηκε, καὶ συνεχώρησεν ἀπελθεῖν. Ἆῤ οὖν, ἐπειδὴ σεσιώπηκεν, οὐκ ἐγίνωσκεν; ἐγίνωσκε μὲν οὖν· ἀλλʼ ὡς οὐκ εἰδὼς συνεχώρησεν, ἵνʼ ἐκεῖνοι, πεισθέντες, μηκέτι διστάζωσι περὶ τῆς ἀναλήψεως Ἠλίου. Οὐκοῦν πολλῷ μᾶλλον ὁ Παῦλος, αὐτὸς ὢν ὁ ἁρπαγεὶς, οἶδε καὶ πῶς ἡρπάγη. Καὶ γὰρ Ἠλίας ἐγίνωσκε· καὶ εἰ ἐπυνθάνετό τις, εἶπεν ἂν πῶς ἀνελήφθη. Λέγει δὲ ὅμως ὁ Παῦλος, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ δύο τούτων χάριν, ὥς γε νομίζω· ἑνὸς μὲν, ὡς αὐτὸς εἶπεν, ἵνα μὴ ‘διὰ τὴν ὑπερβολὴν τῶν ἀποκαλύψεωνʼ ἕτερόν τις αὐτὸν ‘λογίσηται, ὑπὲρ ὃ βλέπει·’ ἑτέρου δὲ, ὅτι, τοῦ Σωτῆρος εἰπόντος, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἔπρεπε καὶ αὐτὸν εἰπεῖν, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἵνα μὴ φαίνηται ‘δοῦλος ὢν ὑπὲρ τὸν Κύριον αὐτοῦ, καὶ μαθητὴς ὑπὲρ τὸν διδάσκαλον. ʼ

47. Hikana men oun tauta pros elenchon autōn; eboulomēn de erōtēsai, hina kai houtōs echthroi mallon tēs alētheias deiknyōntai kai Christomachoi. Ho apostolos en tę̄ deuterą pros Korinthious epistolę̄ graphōn phēsin, ‘Oida anthrōpon en Christǭ pro etōn dekatessarōn, eite en sōmati, ouk oida, eite ektos tou sōmatos, ouk oida; ho Theos oide, ’ Ti toinyn phate? oiden ho apostolos ho peponthen en tę̄ optasią, kan legę̄, ‘ouk oida, ʼ ē ouk oiden? ei men oun ouk oide, skopeite, mē, mathontes piptein, pesēte kai eis tēn tōn Phrygōn paranomian tōn legontōn mē eidenai tous prophētas, mēde tous allous tous diakonēsantas ton Logon, mēte ha poiousi, mēte peri tinōn apangellousin; ei de oide legōn, ‘ouk oida; (eiche gar en heautǭ ton Christon apokalyptonta autǭ ta panta;) pōs ouk alēthōs exestrammenē tōn theomachōn kai autokatakritos estin autōn hē kardia? ton men apostolon legonta, ‘ouk oida, ʼ legousin eidenai, ton de Kyrion legonta, ‘ouk oidaʼ legousi mē eidenai? Ei gar epeidē Christos ēn en autǭ, oiden ho Paulos haper legei, ‘ouk oida;’ pōs ouchi mallon autos ho Christos oide, kan legę̄, ‘ouk oida?’ Ho men oun apostolos apokalyptontos autǭ tou Kyriou oiden ho peponthe; dia touto gar kai phēsin, ‘oida anthrōpon en Christǭ;’ eidōs de ton anthrōpon, oide kai pōs ho anthrōpos hērpagē. Ho goun Elissaios, blepōn ton Ēlian, oide kai pōs anelēphthē; alla kaiper ginōskōn, homōs tōn huiōn tōn prophētōn nomizontōn ton Ēlian ‘eis hen tōn horeōn hypo tou Pneumatos errhiphthai, ʼ autos tēn men archēn ginōskōn ho heōraken, epeithe tous andras; biazomenōn de ekeinōn, sesiōpēke, kai synechōrēsen apelthein. Ar oun, epeidē sesiōpēken, ouk eginōsken? eginōske men oun; allʼ hōs ouk eidōs synechōrēsen, hinʼ ekeinoi, peisthentes, mēketi distazōsi peri tēs analēpseōs Ēliou. Oukoun pollǭ mallon ho Paulos, autos ōn ho harpageis, oide kai pōs hērpagē. Kai gar Ēlias eginōske; kai ei epynthaneto tis, eipen an pōs anelēphthē. Legei de homōs ho Paulos, ‘ouk oida, ʼ dyo toutōn charin, hōs ge nomizō; henos men, hōs autos eipen, hina mē ‘dia tēn hyperbolēn tōn apokalypseōnʼ heteron tis auton ‘logisētai, hyper ho blepei;’ heterou de, hoti, tou Sōtēros eipontos, ‘ouk oida, ʼ eprepe kai auton eipein, ‘ouk oida, ʼ hina mē phainētai ‘doulos ōn hyper ton Kyrion autou, kai mathētēs hyper ton didaskalon. ʼ

These things are sufficient to refute them; but I wanted to ask them a question, so that even so they may be shown still more to be enemies of the truth and Christ-fighters. The apostle, writing in the second letter to the Corinthians, says, “I know a man in Christ fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know; God knows.” What, then, do you say? Does the apostle know what he experienced in the vision, even though he says “I do not know,” or does he not know? If he does not know, take care lest, having learned to fall, you fall also into the lawlessness of the Phrygians, who say that the prophets and the others who ministered the Word did not know either what they were doing or what they were proclaiming. But if he knows, while saying, “I do not know” (for he had Christ in himself revealing all things to him), how is the heart of the fighters against God not truly perverted and self-condemned, when they say that the apostle, who says “I do not know,” knows, but that the Lord, who says “I do not know,” does not know? For if, because Christ was in him, Paul knows what he says he does not know, how much more does Christ himself know, even if he says, “I do not know”? The apostle, then, knows what he experienced, since the Lord revealed it to him; for this is why he also says, “I know a man in Christ”; and knowing the man, he knows also how the man was caught up. Elisha, at any rate, seeing Elijah, knew also how he was taken up; but although he knew, yet when the sons of the prophets thought that Elijah had been “cast by the Spirit onto one of the mountains,” he at first, knowing what he had seen, tried to persuade the men; but when they pressed him, he fell silent and let them go. Did he, then, not know, because he fell silent? He did know; but he gave way as though he did not know, so that they, once persuaded, might no longer doubt about the taking up of Elijah. Much more, then, does Paul, being himself the one who was caught up, know also how he was caught up. For Elijah too knew, and if anyone had asked, he would have said how he was taken up. Yet Paul says, “I do not know,” for two reasons, as I think: one, as he himself said, so that no one might “think of him more than what he sees” “because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations”; the other, that, since the Saviour had said, “I do not know,” it was fitting that he too should say, “I do not know,” lest he seem, “being a servant, to be above his Lord, and a disciple above the teacher.”

2 Cor 12:2 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Kgs 2:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Kgs 2:17 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:24 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Paul says “I do not know” of his own vision though he knew, as Elisha kept silent about Elijah's ascent; if the Arians grant that Paul knew, much more must Christ know when he says “I do not know.”

  • The “Phrygians” are the Montanists, whose prophets were said to speak in ecstasy without understanding.
  • Slips corrected: οἷδα to οἶδα, οἷδε to οἶδε, a stray period after ἑώρακεν, αὐτὰς to αὐτὸς.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.; Letter slip.; Stray period.): οὐκ οἷδα;’ → οὐκ οἶδα;’; οἷδε καὶ πῶς ἀνελήφθη → οἶδε καὶ πῶς ἀνελήφθη; ἑώρακεν. ἔπειθε → ἑώρακεν, ἔπειθε; αὐτὰς ὢν → αὐτὸς ὢν.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 47 (Bright, 200–201; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-47). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 48

48Bright, 201–202

48. Οὐκοῦν ὁ τῷ Παύλῳ δεδωκὼς εἰδέναι πολλῷ μᾶλλον αὐτὸς οἶδε. Καὶ γὰρ καὶ λέγων τὰ πρὸ τῆς ἡμέρας, οἶδε, καθὰ προεῖπον, καὶ πότε ἡ ἡμέρα καὶ πότε ἡ ὥρα· καὶ ὅμως εἰδὼς, λέγει, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδε.’ Τίνος μὲν οὖν χάριν τότε εἶπεν, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἃ αὐτὸς, ὡς Δεσπότης, οἶδεν; Ὡς διερευνῶντα στοχάζεσθαι χρὴ. τῆς ἡμῶν ἕνεκα λυσιτελείας, ὥς γε νομίζω, τοῦτο πεποίηκε· (παράσχοι δὲ αὐτὸς τῇ προθέσει τὸν νοῦν τῆς ἀληθείας.) Ἐν ἀμφοτέροις ἡμῖν τὸ χρήσιμον ἐφύλαξεν ὁ Σωτήρ· εἰ γὰρ τὰ μὲν πρὸ τοῦ τέλους ἀπαντῶντα δεδήλωκεν, ἵνα μὴ, ὡς εἶπεν αὐτὸς, ξενισθῶμεν, μηδὲ ‘θροηθῶμεν, ’ γινομένων αὐτῶν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐκ τούτων τὸ μετὰ ταῦτα τέλος προσδοκῶμεν· περὶ δὲ τῆς ἡμέρας καὶ τῆς ὥρας οὐκ ἠθέλησε θεϊκῶς εἰπεῖν ὅτι ‘οἶδα·’ ἀλλὰ σαρκικῶς διὰ τὴν σάρκα τὴν ἀγνοοῦσαν, καθὰ προεῖπον, εἶπεν ὅτι ‘οὐκ οἶδα·’ ἵνα μηκέτι ἐπερωτήσωσιν αὐτὸν, καὶ λοιπὸν ἢ μὴ εἰρηκὼς λυπήσῃ τότε τοὺς μαθητὰς, ἢ εἰρηκὼς, παρὰ τὸ συμφέρον αὐτοῖς καὶ πᾶσιν ἡμῖν ποιήσῃ. Ὃ γὰρ ἂν ποιῇ, τοῦτο πάντως ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἐστιν, ἐπειδὴ καὶ διʼ ἡμᾶς ‘ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο.’ Διʼ ἡμᾶς τοίνυν εἶπε καὶ τὸ ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδε·’ καὶ οὔτε ἐψεύσατο τοῦτο εἰρηκώς (ἀνθρωπίνως γὰρ εἶπεν, ὡς ἄνθρωπος, ‘οὐκ οἶδαʼ), οὔτε ἀφῆκε τοὺς μαθητὰς αὐτὸν βιάσασθαι εἰπεῖν· εἰρηκὼς γὰρ, ‘οὐκ οἶδα, ʼ ἔστησε κἀκείνων τὴν ἐρώτησιν. Ἐν γοῦν ταῖς Πράξεσι τῶν ἀποστόλων ἐστὶ γεγραμμένον, ἡνίκα ἐπέβηʼ τοῖς ἀγγέλοις, ἀναβαίνων ὡς ἄνθρωπος, καὶ ἀναφέρων εἰς τὸν οὐρανὸν ἣν ἐφόρει σάρκα· ὅτε καὶ οἱ μαθηταὶ τοῦτο βλέποντες, πάλιν ἠρώτων, ‘Πότε τὸ τέλος ἔσται, καὶ πότε σὺ παραγίνῃ;’ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς φανερώτερον, ‘Οὐχ ὑμῶν ἐστι γνῶναι χρόνους ἢ καιροὺς, οὓς ὁ Πατὴρ ἔθετο ἐν τῇ ἰδίᾳ ἐξουσίᾳ.’ Καὶ οὐκ εἶπε τότε, ‘οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ’ ὥσπερ εἶπεν πρὸ τούτου ἀνθρωπίνως, ἀλλʼ, ‘ὑμῶν οὐκ ἔστι γνῶναι Λοιπὸν γὰρ ἦν ἡ σὰρξ ἀναστᾶσα, καὶ ἀποθεμένη τὴν νέκρωσιν, καὶ θεοποιηθεῖσα· καὶ οὐκέτι ἔπρεπε σαρκικῶς αὐτὸν ἀποκρίνασθαι ἀνερχόμενον εἰς τοὺς οὐρανοὺς, ἀλλὰ λοιπὸν θεϊκῶς διδάξαι, ὅτι ‘οὐχ ὑμῶν ἐστι γνῶναι χρόνους ἢ καιροὺς, οὓς ὁ Πατὴρ ἔθετο ἐν τῇ ἰδίᾳ ἐξουσίᾳ· ἀλλὰ λήψεσθε δύναμιν.’ Τίς δὲ ἡ δύναμις τοῦ Πατρὸς ἢ ὁ Υἱός; ‘Χριστὸς γὰρ Θεοῦ δύναμις καὶ Θεοῦ Σοφία.’

48. Oukoun ho tǭ Paulǭ dedōkōs eidenai pollǭ mallon autos oide. Kai gar kai legōn ta pro tēs hēmeras, oide, katha proeipon, kai pote hē hēmera kai pote hē hōra; kai homōs eidōs, legei, ‘oude ho Huios oide.’ Tinos men oun charin tote eipen, ‘ouk oida, ʼ ha autos, hōs Despotēs, oiden? Hōs diereunōnta stochazesthai chrē. tēs hēmōn heneka lysiteleias, hōs ge nomizō, touto pepoiēke; (paraschoi de autos tę̄ prothesei ton noun tēs alētheias.) En amphoterois hēmin to chrēsimon ephylaxen ho Sōtēr; ei gar ta men pro tou telous apantōnta dedēlōken, hina mē, hōs eipen autos, xenisthōmen, mēde ‘throēthōmen, ’ ginomenōn autōn, alla kai ek toutōn to meta tauta telos prosdokōmen; peri de tēs hēmeras kai tēs hōras ouk ēthelēse theïkōs eipein hoti ‘oida;’ alla sarkikōs dia tēn sarka tēn agnoousan, katha proeipon, eipen hoti ‘ouk oida;’ hina mēketi eperōtēsōsin auton, kai loipon ē mē eirēkōs lypēsę̄ tote tous mathētas, ē eirēkōs, para to sympheron autois kai pasin hēmin poiēsę̄. Ho gar an poię̄, touto pantōs hyper hēmōn estin, epeidē kai diʼ hēmas ‘ho Logos sarx egeneto.’ Diʼ hēmas toinyn eipe kai to ‘oude ho Huios oide;’ kai oute epseusato touto eirēkōs (anthrōpinōs gar eipen, hōs anthrōpos, ‘ouk oidaʼ), oute aphēke tous mathētas auton biasasthai eipein; eirēkōs gar, ‘ouk oida, ʼ estēse kakeinōn tēn erōtēsin. En goun tais Praxesi tōn apostolōn esti gegrammenon, hēnika epebēʼ tois angelois, anabainōn hōs anthrōpos, kai anapherōn eis ton ouranon hēn ephorei sarka; hote kai hoi mathētai touto blepontes, palin ērōtōn, ‘Pote to telos estai, kai pote sy paraginę̄?’ eipen autois phanerōteron, ‘Ouch hymōn esti gnōnai chronous ē kairous, hous ho Patēr etheto en tę̄ idią exousią.’ Kai ouk eipe tote, ‘oude ho Huios, ’ hōsper eipen pro toutou anthrōpinōs, allʼ, ‘hymōn ouk esti gnōnai Loipon gar ēn hē sarx anastasa, kai apothemenē tēn nekrōsin, kai theopoiētheisa; kai ouketi eprepe sarkikōs auton apokrinasthai anerchomenon eis tous ouranous, alla loipon theïkōs didaxai, hoti ‘ouch hymōn esti gnōnai chronous ē kairous, hous ho Patēr etheto en tę̄ idią exousią; alla lēpsesthe dynamin.’ Tis de hē dynamis tou Patros ē ho Huios? ‘Christos gar Theou dynamis kai Theou Sophia.’

So he who gave Paul to know knows much more himself. For in telling what comes before the day he knows, as I said before, both when the day and when the hour will be; and yet, knowing, he says, “not even the Son knows.” Why, then, did he say at that time, “I do not know,” about what he, as Master, knows? As far as one who searches may conjecture, he did this, as I think, for our profit (may he himself grant my attempt the mind of truth). In both respects the Saviour preserved what is useful for us. For he made known what will happen before the end, so that, as he himself said, we might not be startled or “troubled” when these things happen, but from them might expect the end that follows; but about the day and the hour he did not wish to say divinely, “I know,” but said according to the flesh, because of the flesh that is ignorant, as I said before, “I do not know,” so that they might not ask him further, and so that he would neither grieve the disciples by not telling nor, by telling, act against what was profitable for them and for all of us. For whatever he does is surely for our sake, since it was for us too that “the Word became flesh.” For our sake, then, he also said, “not even the Son knows”; and he neither lied in saying this (for he said humanly, as man, “I do not know”), nor let the disciples force him to tell; for by saying, “I do not know,” he stopped their questioning. In the Acts of the Apostles, at any rate, it is written that when he mounted up above the angels, ascending as man and carrying up into heaven the flesh he bore, and the disciples, seeing this, asked again, “When will the end be, and when will you come?”, he said to them more plainly, “It is not for you to know times or seasons, which the Father has set by his own authority.” And he did not then say, “nor the Son,” as he had said before in human fashion, but “it is not for you to know.” For by then the flesh had risen, and had put off mortality, and had been deified; and it was no longer fitting for him, as he was going up into the heavens, to answer according to the flesh, but thenceforth to teach divinely: “It is not for you to know times or seasons, which the Father has set by his own authority; but you will receive power.” And what is the power of the Father but the Son? “For Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.”

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Matt 24:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 1:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 1:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ said “I do not know” for our profit, to end fruitless questions without lying, since he spoke as man; after the resurrection, with his flesh deified, he said instead, “It is not for you to know” (Acts 1:7).

  • Athanasius offers his explanation of Christ's purpose as a conjecture (“as I think”).
  • The disciples' question in Acts 1:6 is paraphrased.
  • Slips corrected: οἷδε to οἶδε (twice).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.): αὐτὸς οἷδε. Καὶ → αὐτὸς οἶδε. Καὶ; οἷδε, καθὰ → οἶδε, καθὰ.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 48 (Bright, 201–202; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-48). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 49

49Bright, 202–203

49. Οἶδεν ἄρα ὁ Υἱὸς, Λόγος ὤν· τοῦτο γὰρ λέγων ἐσήμαινεν, ὅτι ‘ἐγὼ οἶδα, ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἔστιν ὑμῖν γνῶναι· διʼ ὑμᾶς γὰρ καὶ ἐν τῷ ὄρει καθήμενος σαρκικῶς εἶπον, “οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς οἶδε, ” διὰ τὸ ὑμῶν καὶ πάντων συμφέρον· συμφέρει γὰρ ὑμῖν καὶ περὶ τῶν ἀγγέλων καὶ περὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ οὕτως ἀκοῦσαι, διὰ τοὺς ἐσομένους μετὰ ταῦτα πλάνους, ἵνα, κἂν “ὡς ἄγγελοι μετασχηματίσωνται” δαίμονες, καὶ περὶ τῆς συντελείας ἐπιχειρήσωσι λέγειν, μὴ πιστεύσητε, ὡς ἀγνοούντων αὐτῶν. Ἂν δὲ καὶ ὁ Ἀντίχριστος μεταποιήσας ἑαυτὸν λέγῃ, “Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ Χριστὸς, ” καὶ πειράσῃ καὶ αὐτὸς περὶ τῆς ἡμέρας καὶ συντελείας λέγειν, πρὸς τὸ πλανῆσαι τοὺς ἀκούοντας· ἔχοντες ὑμεῖς παρʼ ἐμοῦ τὴν φωνὴν, ὅτι “οὐδὲ ὁ Υἱὸς, ” μηδὲ ἐκείνῳ πιστεύσητε.” Ἄλλως τε οὐδὲ εἰδέναι πάλιν πότε τὸ τέλος, ἢ πότε τοῦ τέλους ἡ ἡμέρα, συμφέρει τοῖς ἀνθρώποις, ἵνα μὴ, γνόντες, καταφρονηταὶ τοῦ μεταξὺ χρόνου γένωνται, περιμένοντες τὰς ἐγγὺς τοῦ τέλους ἡμέρας· τότε γὰρ μόνον ἑαυτῶν ἐπιμελεῖσθαι προφασίσονται. Διὰ τοῦτο καὶ τὸ ἑκάστου τέλος τοῦ θανάτου σεσιώπηκεν, ἵνα μὴ, προφάσει τῆς γνώσεως φυσιωθέντες, οἱ ἄνθρωποι ἀμελεῖν ἑαυτῶν τὸ πλεῖστον ἄρξωνται τοῦ χρόνου. Ἀμφότερα δὴ οὖν, καὶ τὸ καθόλου τέλος, καὶ τὸ ἑκάστου πέρας ἔκρυψεν ἀφʼ ἡμῶν ὁ Λόγος (καὶ γὰρ καὶ ἐν τῷ καθόλου τὸ ἑκάστου τέλος ἐστὶ, καὶ ἐν τῷ ἑκάστου τέλει τὸ καθόλου συνάγεται), ἵνα, ἀδήλου αὐτοῦ ὄντος καὶ ἀεὶ προσδοκωμένου, καθʼ ἡμέραν ὡς καλούμενοι προκόπτωμεν, ‘τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν ἐπεκτεινόμενοι, τῶν δὲ ὄπισθεν ἐπιλανθανόμενοι.’ Τίς γὰρ, γινώσκων μὲν τὴν ἡμέραν τοῦ τέλους, οὐχ ὑπερτίθεται, τὸν μεταξὺ χρόνον· ἀγνοῶν δὲ, οὐ καθʼ ἡμέραν ἕτοιμος γίνεται; Διὰ τοῦτο γὰρ ἐπὶ τούτοις ἐπέφερεν ὁ Σωτὴρ, λέγων· ‘Γρηγορεῖτε οὖν, ὅτι οὐκ οἴδατε οὐδὲ ὑμεῖς, ποίᾳ ὥρᾳ ὁ Κύριος ὑμῶν ἔρχεται·’ καὶ, ‘ᾗ οὐ δοκεῖτε ὥρᾳ, ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἔρχεται·’ διὰ τὸ συμφέρον ἄρα τὸ ἐκ τῆς ἀγνοίας τοῦτο εἴρηκε. Καὶ γὰρ καὶ τοῦτο λέγων, βούλεται διὰ παντὸς ἡμᾶς ἑτοίμους γενέσθαι· ‘Ὑμεῖς γὰρ, ʼ φησὶν, ‘οὐκ οἴδατε· ἐγὼ δὲ ὁ Κύριος οἶδα πότε ἔρχομαι, κἂν οἱ Ἀρειανοί με μὴ προσδοκῶσι Λόγον ὄντα τοῦ Πατρός.’

49. Oiden ara ho Huios, Logos ōn; touto gar legōn esēmainen, hoti ‘egō oida, allʼ ouk estin hymin gnōnai; diʼ hymas gar kai en tǭ orei kathēmenos sarkikōs eipon, “oude ho Huios oide, ” dia to hymōn kai pantōn sympheron; sympherei gar hymin kai peri tōn angelōn kai peri tou Huiou houtōs akousai, dia tous esomenous meta tauta planous, hina, kan “hōs angeloi metaschēmatisōntai” daimones, kai peri tēs synteleias epicheirēsōsi legein, mē pisteusēte, hōs agnoountōn autōn. An de kai ho Antichristos metapoiēsas heauton legę̄, “Egō eimi ho Christos, ” kai peirasę̄ kai autos peri tēs hēmeras kai synteleias legein, pros to planēsai tous akouontas; echontes hymeis parʼ emou tēn phōnēn, hoti “oude ho Huios, ” mēde ekeinǭ pisteusēte.” Allōs te oude eidenai palin pote to telos, ē pote tou telous hē hēmera, sympherei tois anthrōpois, hina mē, gnontes, kataphronētai tou metaxy chronou genōntai, perimenontes tas engys tou telous hēmeras; tote gar monon heautōn epimeleisthai prophasisontai. Dia touto kai to hekastou telos tou thanatou sesiōpēken, hina mē, prophasei tēs gnōseōs physiōthentes, hoi anthrōpoi amelein heautōn to pleiston arxōntai tou chronou. Amphotera dē oun, kai to katholou telos, kai to hekastou peras ekrypsen aphʼ hēmōn ho Logos (kai gar kai en tǭ katholou to hekastou telos esti, kai en tǭ hekastou telei to katholou synagetai), hina, adēlou autou ontos kai aei prosdokōmenou, kathʼ hēmeran hōs kaloumenoi prokoptōmen, ‘tois emprosthen epekteinomenoi, tōn de opisthen epilanthanomenoi.’ Tis gar, ginōskōn men tēn hēmeran tou telous, ouch hypertithetai, ton metaxy chronon; agnoōn de, ou kathʼ hēmeran hetoimos ginetai? Dia touto gar epi toutois epepheren ho Sōtēr, legōn; ‘Grēgoreite oun, hoti ouk oidate oude hymeis, poią hōrą ho Kyrios hymōn erchetai;’ kai, ‘hę̄ ou dokeite hōrą, ho Huios tou anthrōpou erchetai;’ dia to sympheron ara to ek tēs agnoias touto eirēke. Kai gar kai touto legōn, bouletai dia pantos hēmas hetoimous genesthai; ‘Hymeis gar, ʼ phēsin, ‘ouk oidate; egō de ho Kyrios oida pote erchomai, kan hoi Areianoi me mē prosdokōsi Logon onta tou Patros.’

So the Son knows, being Word; for in saying this he meant: “I know, but it is not for you to know; for it was for your sake too that, sitting on the mountain, I said according to the flesh, ‘not even the Son knows,’ for your good and the good of all. For it is good for you to hear this about the angels and about the Son, because of the deceivers who will come later; so that, even if demons ‘disguise themselves as angels’ and attempt to speak about the consummation, you may not believe them, since they do not know. And if the Antichrist too, disguising himself, says, ‘I am the Christ,’ and he too tries to speak about the day and the consummation in order to deceive those who hear, you, having from me the saying ‘not even the Son,’ may not believe him either.” Besides, again, it is not good for human beings to know when the end is, or when the day of the end will be, lest, knowing it, they become careless of the time in between, waiting for the days near the end; for they will make that their excuse for caring for themselves only then. That is why he also kept silent about each one's end in death, lest human beings, puffed up by the knowledge, begin to neglect themselves for most of their time. Both, then—the general end and each one's own limit—the Word has hidden from us (for each one's end is contained in the general end, and in each one's end the general is summed up), so that, since it is unknown and always awaited, we may advance day by day as those who are called, “reaching forward to what lies ahead and forgetting what lies behind.” For who, if he knew the day of the end, would not put off using the time in between; but not knowing it, who would not make himself ready day by day? That is why the Saviour added to these words, saying, “Watch, therefore, for you do not know at what hour your Lord is coming,” and “The Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” So he said this for the profit that comes from not knowing. For in saying this too he wills us to be always ready: “For you,” he says, “do not know; but I, the Lord, know when I am coming, even if the Arians do not expect me as the Word of the Father.”

Mark 13:3 (allusion, medium confidence) · Mark 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:42 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 24:44 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ's “not even the Son knows” protects believers against demons and the Antichrist who claim to know the end, and keeps them watchful, since neither the world's end nor one's own death is known.

  • The words in quotation marks at the beginning and end are Athanasius's paraphrase of Christ's meaning.
  • Slips corrected: ὑμίν to ὑμῖν, ᾖ to ᾗ.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Accent slip.): ὑμίν → ὑμῖν; ᾖ οὐ δοκεῖτε → ᾗ οὐ δοκεῖτε.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 49 (Bright, 202–203; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-49). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 50

50Bright, 203

50. Ὁ μὲν οὖν Κύριος, τὸ ἡμῶν συμφέρον ὑπὲρ ἡμᾶς γινώσκων, οὕτως ἠσφαλίσατο τοὺς μαθητάς· καὶ αὐτοὶ ταῦτα μαθόντες, διωρθώσαντο μέλλοντας ἐν τούτῳ πλανᾶσθαι τοὺς ἀπὸ Θεσσαλονίκης. Ἐπειδὴ δὲ οἱ Χριστομάχοι οὐδʼ οὕτω καταδύονται, βούλομαι, καίπερ εἰδὼς σκληροτέραν ἔχοντας αὐτοὺς τοῦ Φαραὼ τὴν καρδίαν, ἐρωτῆσαι πάλιν καὶ περὶ τούτου. Ἐν τῷ παραδείσῳ πυνθάνεται ὁ Θεὸς λέγων, ‘Ἀδὰμ, ποῦ εἶ; ʼ ἐξετάζει δὲ καὶ τὸν Κάϊν· ‘Ποῦ Ἄβελ ὁ ἀδελφός σου;’ Τί τοίνυν καὶ περὶ τούτου φατέ; εἰ γὰρ ἀγνοεῖν αὐτὸν νομίζετε, καὶ διὰ τοῦτο πυνθάνεσθαι, Μανιχαίοις μὲν ἤδη προσετέθητε· αὐτῶν γὰρ τὸ τοιοῦτον τόλμημα· εἰ δὲ, φοβούμενοι φανερῶς ὀνομασθῆναι Μανιχαῖοι, βιάζεσθε ἑαυτοὺς εἰπεῖν, ὅτι γινώσκων πυνθάνεται, τί ἄτοπον ἢ τί ξένον ὁρῶντες, οὕτω πεπτώκατε, εἰ ὁ Υἱὸς, ἐν ᾧ τότε ἐπυνθάνετο ὁ Θεὸς, ὁ αὐτὸς Υἱὸς καὶ νῦν σάρκα περιβεβλημένος πυνθάνεται τῶν μαθητῶν ὡς ἄνθρωπος; εἰ μὴ ἄρα Μανιχαῖοι γενόμενοι μέμφεσθαι θελήσητε καὶ τὴν τότε γενομένην πρὸς τὸν Ἀδὰμ ἐρώτησιν, ἵνα μόνον καὶ ὑμεῖς νεανιεύησθε ἐν ταῖς κακονοίαις. Καὶ γὰρ ἐν πᾶσιν ἐλεγχόμενοι, τονθορύζετε πάλιν διὰ τὸ εἰρημένον παρὰ τοῦ Λουκᾶ, ὃ καλῶς μὲν εἴρηται, κακῶς δὲ ὑμεῖς διανοεῖσθε, Τί δὲ τοῦτό ἐστιν, ἀναγκαῖον παραθέσθαι, ἵνα καὶ οὕτως αὐτῶν ἡ διεφθαρμένη διάνοια δειχθῇ.

50. Ho men oun Kyrios, to hēmōn sympheron hyper hēmas ginōskōn, houtōs ēsphalisato tous mathētas; kai autoi tauta mathontes, diōrthōsanto mellontas en toutǭ planasthai tous apo Thessalonikēs. Epeidē de hoi Christomachoi oudʼ houtō katadyontai, boulomai, kaiper eidōs sklēroteran echontas autous tou Pharaō tēn kardian, erōtēsai palin kai peri toutou. En tǭ paradeisǭ pynthanetai ho Theos legōn, ‘Adam, pou ei? ʼ exetazei de kai ton Kaïn; ‘Pou Abel ho adelphos sou?’ Ti toinyn kai peri toutou phate? ei gar agnoein auton nomizete, kai dia touto pynthanesthai, Manichaiois men ēdē prosetethēte; autōn gar to toiouton tolmēma; ei de, phoboumenoi phanerōs onomasthēnai Manichaioi, biazesthe heautous eipein, hoti ginōskōn pynthanetai, ti atopon ē ti xenon horōntes, houtō peptōkate, ei ho Huios, en hǭ tote epynthaneto ho Theos, ho autos Huios kai nyn sarka peribeblēmenos pynthanetai tōn mathētōn hōs anthrōpos? ei mē ara Manichaioi genomenoi memphesthai thelēsēte kai tēn tote genomenēn pros ton Adam erōtēsin, hina monon kai hymeis neanieuēsthe en tais kakonoiais. Kai gar en pasin elenchomenoi, tonthoryzete palin dia to eirēmenon para tou Louka, ho kalōs men eirētai, kakōs de hymeis dianoeisthe, Ti de touto estin, anankaion parathesthai, hina kai houtōs autōn hē diephtharmenē dianoia deichthę̄.

The Lord, then, knowing our profit better than we do, made the disciples secure in this way; and they, having learned these things, corrected the Thessalonians, who were about to go astray on this point. But since the Christ-fighters are not put down even so, I wish, although I know that their heart is harder than Pharaoh's, to question them again about this too. In paradise God inquires, saying, “Adam, where are you?” and he questions Cain too: “Where is Abel your brother?” What, then, do you say about this? If you think that he was ignorant and therefore inquired, you have already joined the Manichees; for such daring is theirs. But if, fearing to be openly called Manichees, you force yourselves to say that he inquired though he knew, what absurdity or strangeness do you see, that you have fallen so, if the Son, in whom God inquired then, the same Son, now clothed with flesh, inquires of the disciples as man? Unless indeed, having become Manichees, you wish to find fault also with the question put to Adam then, simply so that you may run wild in your ill will. For, refuted on every point, you mutter again because of what is said by Luke, which is well said but ill understood by you. What this is must be set out, so that even so their corrupt understanding may be shown.

2 Thess 2:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 7:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 3:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 4:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 2:52 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: God asked Adam and Cain questions without being ignorant; so the same Son, now in the flesh, asks his disciples as man; Athanasius turns next to Luke 2:52.

  • The Manichees were said to argue from God's questions in Genesis that the God of the Old Testament was ignorant.
  • Slips corrected: Φναραὼ to Φαραὼ, and a leaked number “(16.)” is removed.

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  • Digital text corrected (Leaked chapter number.; Stray letter.): Φναραὼ → Φαραὼ; καλῶς (16.) μὲν → καλῶς μὲν.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 50 (Bright, 203; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-50). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 51

51Bright, 203–204

51. Φησὶ τοίνυν ὁ Λουκᾶς· ‘Καὶ Ἰησοῦς προέκοπτε σοφίᾳ καὶ ἡλικίᾳ, καὶ χάριτι παρὰ Θεῷ καὶ ἀνθρώποις.’ Τὸ μὲν οὖν ῥητόν ἐστι τοῦτο· ἐπειδὴ δὲ καὶ ἐν τούτῳ προσκόπτουσιν, ἀναγκαῖον πάλιν αὐτοὺς ὡς τοὺς Φαρισαίους καὶ τοὺς Σαδδουκαίους ἐρωτῆσαι, περὶ οὗ φησιν ὁ Λουκᾶς. Ἔστι δὲ οὕτως· Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν, ὡς οἱ ἄλλοι πάντες ἄνθρωποι, ἢ Θεός ἐστι σάρκα φορῶν; Εἰ μὲν οὖν κοινὸς ἄνθρωπος κατὰ τοὺς ἄλλους ἀνθρώπους καὶ αὐτός ἐστιν, ἔστω πάλιν ὡς ἄνθρωπος ‘προκόπτων.’ Τοῦτο μέντοι τοῦ Σαμοσατέως ἐστὶ τὸ φρόνημα, ὃ τῇ μὲν δυνάμει καὶ ὑμεῖς φρονεῖτε, τῷ δὲ ὀνόματι μόνον ἀρνεῖσθε διὰ τοὺς ἀνθρώπους. Εἰ δὲ Θεός ἐστι σάρκα φορῶν, ἐπειδὴ καὶ τοῦτό ἐστιν ἀληθῶς, καὶ ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, καὶ Θεὸς ὢν ἐπὶ γῆς κατῆλθε, ποίαν εἶχε προκοπὴν ὁ ‘ἴσα Θεῷʼ ὑπάρχων; ἢ ποῦ εἶχεν αὐξάνειν ὁ Υἱὸς, ἀεὶ ὢν ἐν τῷ Πατρί; Εἰ γὰρ ὁ ἀεὶ ὢν ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ προκόπτει, τί ἄρα ἐστὶν ἐπέκεινα τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἵνʼ ἀπὸ τούτου καὶ προκόψῃ; ἔπειτα ὡς ἐπὶ τοῦ λαβεῖν καὶ δοξασθῆναι τὰ αὐτὰ καλὸν εἰπεῖν· εἰ ἄνθρωπος γενόμενος προέκοπτε, δῆλόν ἐστιν ὡς, πρὸ τοῦ γενέσθαι ἄνθρωπος, ἀτελὴς ἦν· καὶ μᾶλλον ἡ σὰρξ αἰτία τῆς τελειώσεως αὐτοῦ γέγονεν, ἢ αὐτὸς τῆς σαρκός. Πάλιν τε εἰ Λόγος ὢν προκόπτει, τί μεῖζον ἔχει γενέσθαι Λόγου καὶ Σοφίας, καὶ Υἱοῦ, καὶ Θεοῦ δυνάμεως; ταῦτα γάρ ἐστιν ὁ Λόγος, ὧν εἴ τις ὡς ἀκτῖνα μετασχεῖν πως δύναιτο, ὁ τοιοῦτος παντέλειος ἐν ἀνθρώποις, καὶ ἴσος ἀγγέλοις γίνεται. Καὶ γὰρ καὶ ἄγγελοι, καὶ ἀρχάγγελοι, καὶ κυριότητες, καὶ πᾶσαι αἱ δυνάμεις, καὶ θρόνοι, τοῦ Λόγου μετέχοντες, ‘βλέπουσι διαπαντὸς τὸ πρόσωπον τοῦ Πατρὸς αὐτοῦ.’ Πῶς οὖν ὁ ἄλλοις τὴν τελειότητα παρασχὼν αὐτὸς μετʼ ἐκείνους προκόπτει; ἄγγελοι γὰρ καὶ τὴν ἀνθρωπίνην αὐτοῦ γένεσιν διηκόνησαν· καὶ τὸ λεγόμενον παρὰ τοῦ Λουκᾶ μετὰ τὴν διακονίαν τῶν ἀγγέλων εἴρηται. Πῶς οὖν ὅλως κἂν εἰς ἐνθύμησιν ἐλθεῖν ἀνθρώπου δύναται; ἢ πῶς ἡ Σοφία ἐν σοφίᾳ προέκοπτεν; ἢ πῶς ὁ ἄλλοις χάριν διδοὺς (καθὼς ὁ Παῦλος, διὰ πάσης ἐπιστολῆς διʼ αὐτοῦ δίδοσθαι τὴν χάριν γινώσκων, φησὶν, ‘Ἡ χάρις τοῦ Κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ μετὰ πάντων ὑμῶνʼ), αὐτὸς ἐν χάριτι προέκοπτεν; ἢ γὰρ ψεύδεσθαι τὸν ἀπόστολον λεγέτωσαν, ἢ μηδὲ Σοφίαν εἶναι τὸν Υἱὸν λέγειν τολμάτωσαν. Ἢ εἰ Σοφία ἐστὶν, ὡς εἶπεν ὁ Σολομὼν, καὶ ὁ Παῦλος ἔγραψε, ‘Χριστὸς Θεοῦ δύναμις καὶ Θεοῦ σοφία, ’ ποίαν ἡ Σοφία προκοπὴν ἐπεδέχετο;

51. Phēsi toinyn ho Loukas; ‘Kai Iēsous proekopte sophią kai hēlikią, kai chariti para Theǭ kai anthrōpois.’ To men oun rhēton esti touto; epeidē de kai en toutǭ proskoptousin, anankaion palin autous hōs tous Pharisaious kai tous Saddoukaious erōtēsai, peri hou phēsin ho Loukas. Esti de houtōs; Iēsous Christos anthrōpos estin, hōs hoi alloi pantes anthrōpoi, ē Theos esti sarka phorōn? Ei men oun koinos anthrōpos kata tous allous anthrōpous kai autos estin, estō palin hōs anthrōpos ‘prokoptōn.’ Touto mentoi tou Samosateōs esti to phronēma, ho tę̄ men dynamei kai hymeis phroneite, tǭ de onomati monon arneisthe dia tous anthrōpous. Ei de Theos esti sarka phorōn, epeidē kai touto estin alēthōs, kai ho Logos sarx egeneto, kai Theos ōn epi gēs katēlthe, poian eiche prokopēn ho ‘isa Theǭʼ hyparchōn? ē pou eichen auxanein ho Huios, aei ōn en tǭ Patri? Ei gar ho aei ōn en tǭ Patri prokoptei, ti ara estin epekeina tou Patros, hinʼ apo toutou kai prokopsę̄? epeita hōs epi tou labein kai doxasthēnai ta auta kalon eipein; ei anthrōpos genomenos proekopte, dēlon estin hōs, pro tou genesthai anthrōpos, atelēs ēn; kai mallon hē sarx aitia tēs teleiōseōs autou gegonen, ē autos tēs sarkos. Palin te ei Logos ōn prokoptei, ti meizon echei genesthai Logou kai Sophias, kai Huiou, kai Theou dynameōs? tauta gar estin ho Logos, hōn ei tis hōs aktina metaschein pōs dynaito, ho toioutos panteleios en anthrōpois, kai isos angelois ginetai. Kai gar kai angeloi, kai archangeloi, kai kyriotētes, kai pasai hai dynameis, kai thronoi, tou Logou metechontes, ‘blepousi diapantos to prosōpon tou Patros autou.’ Pōs oun ho allois tēn teleiotēta paraschōn autos metʼ ekeinous prokoptei? angeloi gar kai tēn anthrōpinēn autou genesin diēkonēsan; kai to legomenon para tou Louka meta tēn diakonian tōn angelōn eirētai. Pōs oun holōs kan eis enthymēsin elthein anthrōpou dynatai? ē pōs hē Sophia en sophią proekopten? ē pōs ho allois charin didous (kathōs ho Paulos, dia pasēs epistolēs diʼ autou didosthai tēn charin ginōskōn, phēsin, ‘Hē charis tou Kyriou hēmōn Iēsou Christou meta pantōn hymōnʼ), autos en chariti proekopten? ē gar pseudesthai ton apostolon legetōsan, ē mēde Sophian einai ton Huion legein tolmatōsan. Ē ei Sophia estin, hōs eipen ho Solomōn, kai ho Paulos egrapse, ‘Christos Theou dynamis kai Theou sophia, ’ poian hē Sophia prokopēn epedecheto?

Luke, then, says, “And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in grace with God and men.” This is the saying; but since they stumble over this too, it is necessary again to question them, as the Pharisees and Sadducees were questioned, about the one of whom Luke speaks. The question is this: Is Jesus Christ a man like all other men, or is he God bearing flesh? If he too is an ordinary man like other men, then let him advance, as a man. This, however, is the thought of the Samosatene, which you too hold in effect, though you deny it in name only because of what people would say. But if he is God bearing flesh, as he truly is, and the Word became flesh, and being God he came down to earth, what advance could he have who is “equal to God”? Or where could the Son grow, being always in the Father? For if he who is always in the Father advances, what then is there beyond the Father from which he could advance? Then, it is well to say here the same as about receiving and being glorified: if, having become man, he advanced, it is clear that before becoming man he was imperfect; and the flesh has rather become the cause of his perfection than he of the flesh's. And again, if he advances as Word, what greater thing can he become than Word and Wisdom and Son and Power of God? For the Word is all these; and if anyone could somehow partake of them, as of a ray, such a one becomes all-perfect among human beings and equal to the angels. For angels and archangels and dominions and all the powers and thrones, partaking of the Word, “always behold the face of his Father.” How, then, does he who supplied perfection to others himself advance after them? For angels ministered even at his human birth; and what is said by Luke is said after the ministry of the angels. How, then, can it even enter a man's mind at all? Or how did Wisdom advance in wisdom? Or how did he who gives grace to others (as Paul, knowing that grace is given through him, says in every letter, “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all”) himself advance in grace? Let them either say that the apostle lies, or not dare to say that the Son is Wisdom. Or if he is Wisdom, as Solomon said, and Paul wrote, “Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God,” what advance did Wisdom admit?

Luke 2:52 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 18:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 2:13 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Thess 3:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Luke 2:52 cannot mean that the Word as God advanced, since he is equal to God, always in the Father, and himself the source of wisdom and grace to all.

  • This chapter begins Athanasius's treatment of Luke 2:52 (“Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature”).
  • The text reads Θεῶ; corrected to Θεῷ.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Iota subscript dropped.): ἴσα Θεῶʼ → ἴσα Θεῷʼ.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 51 (Bright, 203–204; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-51). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 52

52Bright, 205–206

52. Ἄνθρωποι μὲν γὰρ, κτίσματα τυγχάνοντες, ἐπεκτείνεσθαί πως καὶ προκόπτειν ἐν ἀρετῇ δύνανται. Ἐνὼχ γοῦν οὕτω ‘μετετέθη, ’ καὶ Μωσῆς αὐξάνων ἐτελειοῦτο, Ἰσαὰκ δὲ προκόπτων ‘ἐγίνετο μέγας, ’ καὶ ὁ ἀπόστολος ‘ἐπεκτείνεσθαιʼ καθʼ ἡμέραν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν ἔλεγεν· εἶχε γὰρ ἕκαστος ποῦ προκόψει, βλέπων εἰς τὸν ἔμπροσθεν αὐτοῦ βαθμόν· ὁ δὲ τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱὸς, ὁ μόνος ὢν, ποῦ εἶχεν ἐπεκτείνεσθαι; πάντα γὰρ εἰς αὐτὸν βλέποντα προκόπτει· αὐτὸς δὲ, μόνος ὢν, ἐν τῷ μόνῳ Πατρί ἐστιν, ἀφʼ οὗ οὐδὲ ἐπεκτείνεται, ἀλλʼ ἐν αὐτῷ μένων ἐστὶν ἀεί. Ἀνθρώπων μὲν οὖν ἐστι τὸ προκόπτειν· ὁ δὲ τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱὸς, ἐπεὶ προκόπτειν οὐκ εἶχε, τέλειος ὢν ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ, ‘ἐταπείνωσεν ἑαυτὸνʼ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν, ἵνα ἐν τῷ ἐκείνου ταπεινῷ μᾶλλον ἡμεῖς αὐξῆσαι δυνηθῶμεν. Ἡ δὲ αὔξησις ἡμῶν οὐκ ἄλλη τίς ἐστιν ἢ τὸ ἀφίστασθαι μὲν τῶν αἰσθητῶν, εἰς αὐτὸν δὲ τὸν Λόγον γενέσθαι· ἐπεὶ καὶ τὸ ἐκείνου ταπεινὸν οὐδὲν ἕτερόν ἐστιν ἢ τὸ λαβεῖν τὴν ἡμετέραν σάρκα. Οὐκ ἄρα ὁ Λόγος ἦν, ᾗ Λόγος ἐστὶν, ὁ προκόπτων, ὁ τέλειος ἐκ τελείου ὢν τοῦ Πατρὸς, ὁ μηδενὸς δεόμενος, ἀλλὰ καὶ τοὺς ἄλλους εἰς προκοπὴν ἀνάγων. Ἀλλὰ ἀνθρωπίνως εἴρηται καὶ ἐνταῦθα τὸ προκόπτειν· ἐπεὶ καὶ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐστὶ πάλιν ἡ προκοπή. Καὶ γὰρ καὶ ὁ εὐαγγελιστὴς οὕτω μετὰ ἀκριβοῦς τῆς παρατηρήσεως λέγων τῇ ‘προκοπῇʼ συνῆψε τὴν ‘ἡλικίαν·’ Λόγος δὲ καὶ Θεὸς ἡλικίᾳ οὐ μετρεῖται, ἀλλὰ τῶν σωμάτων εἰσὶν αἱ ἡλικίαι. Τοῦ σώματος ἄρα ἐστὶν ἡ προκοπή· αὐτοῦ γὰρ προκόπτοντος, προέκοπτεν ἐν αὐτῷ καὶ ἡ φανέρωσις τῆς θεότητος τοῖς ὁρῶσιν· ὅσῳ δὲ ἡ θεότης ἀπεκαλύπτετο, τοσούτῳ πλεῖον ἡ χάρις ηὔξανεν ὡς ἀνθρώπου παρὰ πᾶσιν ἀνθρώποις. Παιδίον μὲν γὰρ ἐβαστάζετο· παῖς δὲ γενόμενος, ἀπέμενεν ἐν τῷ ἱερῷ, καὶ τοὺς ἱερέας ἀνέκρινε περὶ τοῦ νόμου· κατʼ ὀλίγον δὲ τοῦ σώματος αὐξάνοντος, καὶ τοῦ Λόγου φανεροῦντος ἑαυτὸν ἐν αὐτῷ, ὁμολογεῖται λοιπὸν παρὰ μὲν Πέτρου πρῶτον, εἶτα καὶ παρὰ πάντων, ὅτι ‘ἀληθῶς Υἱὸς Θεοῦ ἐστιν οὗτος·’ εἰ καὶ Ἰουδαῖοι, οἵ τε παλαιοὶ καὶ οἱ νέοι οὗτοι, θέλοντες ‘καμμύουσι τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς, ἵνα μὴ βλέπωσιν, ʼ ὅτι τὸ ‘ἐν σοφίᾳ προκόπτεινʼ οὐκ ἔστι τὴν Σοφίαν αὐτὴν προκόπτειν, ἀλλὰ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον μᾶλλον ἐν αὐτῇ προκόπτειν. Καὶ Ἰησοῦς γὰρ προέκοπτε σοφίᾳ καὶ χάριτι· εἰ χρὴ δὲ καὶ πιθανῶς μετὰ τοῦ ἀληθοῦς εἰπεῖν, αὐτὸς ἐν ἑαυτῷ προέκοπτε. ‘Ἡ Σοφίαʼ γὰρ ‘ᾠκοδόμησεν ἑαυτῇ οἶκον, ʼ καὶ ἐν ἑαυτῇ τὸν οἶκον προκόπτειν ἐποίει.

52. Anthrōpoi men gar, ktismata tynchanontes, epekteinesthai pōs kai prokoptein en aretę̄ dynantai. Enōch goun houtō ‘metetethē, ’ kai Mōsēs auxanōn eteleiouto, Isaak de prokoptōn ‘egineto megas, ’ kai ho apostolos ‘epekteinesthaiʼ kathʼ hēmeran tois emprosthen elegen; eiche gar hekastos pou prokopsei, blepōn eis ton emprosthen autou bathmon; ho de tou Theou Huios, ho monos ōn, pou eichen epekteinesthai? panta gar eis auton bleponta prokoptei; autos de, monos ōn, en tǭ monǭ Patri estin, aphʼ hou oude epekteinetai, allʼ en autǭ menōn estin aei. Anthrōpōn men oun esti to prokoptein; ho de tou Theou Huios, epei prokoptein ouk eiche, teleios ōn en tǭ Patri, ‘etapeinōsen heautonʼ hyper hēmōn, hina en tǭ ekeinou tapeinǭ mallon hēmeis auxēsai dynēthōmen. Hē de auxēsis hēmōn ouk allē tis estin ē to aphistasthai men tōn aisthētōn, eis auton de ton Logon genesthai; epei kai to ekeinou tapeinon ouden heteron estin ē to labein tēn hēmeteran sarka. Ouk ara ho Logos ēn, hę̄ Logos estin, ho prokoptōn, ho teleios ek teleiou ōn tou Patros, ho mēdenos deomenos, alla kai tous allous eis prokopēn anagōn. Alla anthrōpinōs eirētai kai entautha to prokoptein; epei kai tōn anthrōpōn esti palin hē prokopē. Kai gar kai ho euangelistēs houtō meta akribous tēs paratērēseōs legōn tę̄ ‘prokopę̄ʼ synēpse tēn ‘hēlikian;’ Logos de kai Theos hēlikią ou metreitai, alla tōn sōmatōn eisin hai hēlikiai. Tou sōmatos ara estin hē prokopē; autou gar prokoptontos, proekopten en autǭ kai hē phanerōsis tēs theotētos tois horōsin; hosǭ de hē theotēs apekalypteto, tosoutǭ pleion hē charis ēuxanen hōs anthrōpou para pasin anthrōpois. Paidion men gar ebastazeto; pais de genomenos, apemenen en tǭ hierǭ, kai tous hiereas anekrine peri tou nomou; katʼ oligon de tou sōmatos auxanontos, kai tou Logou phanerountos heauton en autǭ, homologeitai loipon para men Petrou prōton, eita kai para pantōn, hoti ‘alēthōs Huios Theou estin houtos;’ ei kai Ioudaioi, hoi te palaioi kai hoi neoi houtoi, thelontes ‘kammyousi tous ophthalmous, hina mē blepōsin, ʼ hoti to ‘en sophią prokopteinʼ ouk esti tēn Sophian autēn prokoptein, alla to anthrōpinon mallon en autę̄ prokoptein. Kai Iēsous gar proekopte sophią kai chariti; ei chrē de kai pithanōs meta tou alēthous eipein, autos en heautǭ proekopte. ‘Hē Sophiaʼ gar ‘ǭkodomēsen heautę̄ oikon, ʼ kai en heautę̄ ton oikon prokoptein epoiei.

For human beings, being creatures, can in some way reach forward and advance in virtue. Enoch, at any rate, was “translated” in this way, and Moses was perfected as he grew, and Isaac, advancing, “became great,” and the apostle said he was “reaching forward” day by day to what lies ahead; for each had somewhere to advance, looking to the step before him. But the Son of God, who alone is, where had he to reach forward? For all things advance by looking to him; but he, being alone, is in the only Father, from whom he does not reach forward, but in whom he remains always. Advancing, then, belongs to human beings; but the Son of God, since he could not advance, being perfect in the Father, “humbled himself” for us, so that in his lowliness we might rather be able to grow. And our growth is nothing other than to withdraw from the things of sense and come to the Word himself; since his lowliness too is nothing other than taking our flesh. So it was not the Word, as Word, who advanced, he who is perfect from the perfect Father, who needs nothing, but rather leads others to advance. But here too “advancing” is said in human fashion, since advance again belongs to human beings. For the evangelist too, speaking with precise care, joined “stature” to “advancing”; but the Word, who is God, is not measured by stature; statures belong to bodies. So the advance belongs to the body; for as it advanced, the manifestation of the Godhead advanced in it for those who saw; and the more the Godhead was revealed, the more the grace grew, as of a man, before all men. For as a baby he was carried; having become a boy, he stayed behind in the temple and questioned the priests about the law; and as the body grew little by little, and the Word manifested himself in it, he was thereafter confessed, first by Peter and then by all, “Truly this is the Son of God”—even though the Jews, both those of old and these new ones, willfully “close their eyes, so that they may not see” that “advancing in wisdom” is not Wisdom itself advancing, but rather the human advancing in it. For “Jesus advanced in wisdom and grace”; and if one may speak plausibly as well as truly, he himself advanced in himself. For “Wisdom built herself a house,” and made the house advance in herself.

Heb 11:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 26:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 2:52 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 2:46 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 16:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 14:33 (quotation, medium confidence) · Matt 13:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 9:1 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Creatures advance in virtue, but the perfect Son has nowhere to advance; “advanced in wisdom and stature” refers to his body and to the growing manifestation of his Godhead through it.

  • “These new ones” are the Arians, whom Athanasius likens to the Jews who rejected Christ; the polemic is the author's.
  • Luke 2:46 has the boy Jesus questioning “the teachers,” not the priests.
  • The text reads αὐτοὺς δὲ, a slip for αὐτὸς δὲ (“but he”); corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Letter slip.): αὐτοὺς δὲ, μόνος ὢν → αὐτὸς δὲ, μόνος ὢν.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 52 (Bright, 205–206; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-3/41/#p-52). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.