To the Donatists after the Collation 1–16

Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 53 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra partem Donati post gesta (CSEL 53, 1910), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).

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Chapter 1

1CSEL 53:97–98

Quid adhuc, Donatistae, seducimini ab episcopis uestris, quorum fallaces tenebrae clara luce discussae sunt, quorum error apparuit, quorum pertinacia superata est? quid adhuc uobis iactant uana mendacia? quid adhuc creditis hominibus uictis? cum uobis dicunt iudicem praemio fuisse corruptum, quid nouum faciunt? quid aliud omnes uicti facere consuerunt, qui ueritati consentire nolunt, nisi ut de iudicis iniquitate mentiantur? quaerite ab eis et ad hoc primum uobis respondeant, si possunt, quare ausi sunt uenire Carthaginem et in unum locum nobiscum conlationis gratia conuenire. iam ante aliquot annos conueneramus eos publice, ut nobis conferentibus ueritas appareret et dissensio quae nos diuidit de medio tolleretur, sed ipsam ueritatem refugientes actis responderunt: indignum est ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum. quare ergo modo nobiscum conuenire uoluerunt? puto quod non facerent, quod eis uidebatur indignum, nisi nos cognoscerent non esse progeniem traditorum. aut certe ipsi nobis respondeant, quare dixerunt: indignum est ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum et in unum nobiscum postea conuenerunt. quae res eos coegit facere quod indignum est? non enim ligati adducti sunt, sed omnino liberi conuenerunt. si dixerint: quia iusserat imperator, ergo tunc faciunt quod indignum est, quando iusserit imperator. quid ergo irascuntur nescio quibus traditoribus ad causam nostram non pertinentibus? codices enim dominicos persecutoribus dare utique indignum est; quod cum fecit traditor, non habet crimen, quia iusserat imperator. hoc dicimus non secundum ueritatem, sed secundum ipsorum peruersitatem. ipsi enim dixerunt — publica gesta proclamant —, apud acta dixerunt. non quilibet ignotus, sed Carthaginiensis episcopus eorum Primianus hoc dixit, Primianus hoc scriptum magistratui Carthaginis dedit et a diacono suo dicendum apud acta mandauit: indignum est ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum. ecce conuenimus in unum: quid ad ista respondent? si dicunt (non est indignum, quare mentiti sunt, quando indignum esse dixerunt? si dicunt (indignum est, quod indignum est quare fecerunt? uno modo se poterunt adserere quod indignum est non fecisse et in illis Primiani uerbis non fuisse mentitos, si dicant: indignum est quidem ut in unum conueniant filii martyrum et progenies traditorum, sed nos ideo uobiscum in unum conuenimus, quia cognouimus uos non esse progeniem traditorum. quod si ita est, quare nobis iam conuenientes in unum ipsas calumnias obiecerunt, nisi forte ut etiam nos eos cognosceremus non esse filios martyrum? martyres enim testes dicuntur. testes autem Christi ueri testes sunt. isti autem falsi testes inuenti sunt, qui traditionis crimina et aliena aliis obiecerunt et nec ipsa probare potuerunt.

Why, Donatists, do you still let yourselves be led astray by your bishops, whose deceitful darkness has been scattered by clear light, whose error has been exposed, whose stubbornness has been overcome? Why do they still boast empty lies to you? Why do you still believe men who have been defeated? When they tell you that the judge was corrupted by a bribe, what new thing are they doing? What else are all the defeated accustomed to do, who will not consent to the truth, but lie about the judge’s injustice? Ask them, and let them answer you this first, if they can: why did they dare to come to Carthage and to meet with us in one place for the sake of a conference? Some years ago we summoned them publicly, so that by our conferring the truth might appear and the dissension that divides us might be removed from our midst; but fleeing the truth itself, they answered on record: “It is unworthy that the sons of the martyrs and the offspring of betrayers should come together in one place.” Why, then, did they now wish to meet with us? I suppose they would not do what seemed to them unworthy unless they knew that we are not the offspring of betrayers. Or else let them answer us why they said, “It is unworthy that the sons of the martyrs and the offspring of betrayers should come together in one place,” and afterward came together with us in one place. What compelled them to do what is unworthy? For they were not brought in bound, but came together entirely free. If they say, “Because the emperor had ordered it,” then they do what is unworthy when the emperor orders it. Why, then, are they angry at some betrayers or other who have nothing to do with our case? For to give the Lord’s books to persecutors is certainly unworthy; and when a betrayer did this, he has no guilt, because the emperor had ordered it. We say this not according to the truth but according to their own perversity. For they said it (the public records proclaim it), they said it on record. Not some unknown person, but their bishop of Carthage, Primian, said this; Primian gave this in writing to the magistrate of Carthage and instructed his deacon to say it on record: “It is unworthy that the sons of the martyrs and the offspring of betrayers should come together in one place.” See, we have come together in one place: what do they answer to this? If they say, “It is not unworthy,” why did they lie when they said it was unworthy? If they say, “It is unworthy,” why did they do what is unworthy? There is only one way they can claim both that they did not do what is unworthy and that they did not lie in those words of Primian: if they say, “It is indeed unworthy that the sons of the martyrs and the offspring of betrayers should come together in one place; but we came together with you in one place because we learned that you are not the offspring of betrayers.” If that is so, why, when we were already together in one place, did they throw those same slanders at us, unless perhaps so that we too might learn that they are not the sons of the martyrs? For martyrs are called witnesses; and the witnesses of Christ are true witnesses. But these were found to be false witnesses, who charged the crimes of betrayal, and those of some against others, and could not prove even these.

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Summary: Augustine asks the Donatist laity why their bishops, who had refused to meet “the offspring of betrayers,” came to the conference of 411, and answers their claim that the judge was bribed.

  • This address “to the Donatists after the conference” (412) is written to the Donatist laity. Primian’s words (“It is unworthy …”) are quoted as a Donatist statement; see also Breviculus 3.4.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (word split in the digital text; words split and joined wrongly in the digital text): in dignum estutin unum → indignum est ut in unum; tradi torum → traditorum.

Topics: Martyrdom

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 1 (CSEL 53:97–98; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 2

2CSEL 53:98–99

Quid adhuc adtenditis humana mendacia et diuina testimonia non adtenditis? quid adhuc uictis hominibus creditis et ueritati, quae numquam est uicta, non creditis? ueritas enim dei, sicut in ipsa etiam conlatione probauimus, perhibuit testimonium ecclesiae suae per multa documenta scripturarum sanctarum, per propheticas et euangelicas litteras; et locus designatus est, unde Christi ecclesia fuerat inceptura, et fines terrae, quo usque fuerat peruentura. per omnes gentes futuram ecclesiam suam dominus dicit incipientem ab Hierusalem. diuina lectio recitatur, quemadmodum coeperit ab Hierusalem, ubi primum congregatis fidelibus missus est de caelo spiritus sanctus. diuinae lectiones recitantur, quemadmodum se ab Hierusalem per uicina et longinqua diffuderit. expressa sunt nomina locorum, manifestata sunt nomina ciuitatum, in quibus ecclesia Christi apostolico labore fundata est, quae loca et ciuitates etiam epistulas ab apostolis accipere meruerunt; quas epistulas et ipsi in uestris congregationibus legunt et tamen non communicant eorum locorum et ciuitatium ecclesiis, quae ipsas epistulas accipere meruerunt, obicientes eis nescio qua crimina Afrorum, quod eorum contagione perierint, cum ipsi dixerint in hac ipsa conlatione, quam modo Carthagini habuimus, quod nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicet.

Why do you still pay attention to human lies and not pay attention to divine testimonies? Why do you still believe defeated men and not believe the truth, which has never been defeated? For the truth of God, as we proved at the conference itself, has borne witness to his church through many proofs of the holy Scriptures, through the prophetic and Gospel writings; and the place was marked out from which the church of Christ was to begin, and the ends of the earth, as far as which it was to reach. The Lord says that his church is to be in all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. The divine reading is read of how it began from Jerusalem, where the Holy Spirit was first sent from heaven upon the gathered faithful. The divine readings are read of how it spread from Jerusalem through places near and far. The names of the places are stated, the names of the cities made known, in which the church of Christ was founded by apostolic labor, places and cities which were even counted worthy to receive letters from the apostles. These letters your bishops themselves read in your congregations, and yet they are not in communion with the churches of those places and cities which were counted worthy to receive those very letters, charging them with some crimes or other of Africans, as if they had perished by their contagion; although they themselves said, at this very conference which we lately held at Carthage, that neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person.

Luke 24:47 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 2:1–4 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:8 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Scripture foretold a church spreading from Jerusalem to all nations, yet the Donatists refuse communion with the very churches to which the apostles wrote.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 2 (CSEL 53:98–99; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 3

3CSEL 53:99–100

Tunc autem hoc dixerunt, quando eis diximus: concilium, quod contra Caecilianum profertis, sic non obest absenti Caeciliano, quemadmodum concilium, quod in causa Maximiani factum est, ubi damnatus est Primianus, non obest absenti Primiano. protulerunt enim, ubi septuaginta et quod excurrit episcopi absentem damnauerant Caecilianum, cum proferantur plus minus centum episcopi partis ipsorum, qui damnauerant absentem Primianum. quia ergo diximus eis sic illud non obesse Caeciliano, quemadmodum hoc non obest Primiano, quoniam contra absentes facta sunt ambo concilia, continuo non inuenientes quod responderent et horribiles angustias passi dixerunt nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae; quod aduersus omnes humanas calumnias in ore habet catholica ecclesia, nunc autem multo fortius multoque liberius, quando id, quod semper ueritas tenuit, etiam inimicorum confessio confirmauit. quis ergo sine graui tristitia perferat, quis gemitum cohibeat, quis non in lacrimas et in uocem doloris erumpat, qui hoc digne considerauerit? ecce ut ab episcopis partis Donati damnatus Primianus non amittat episcopatum aut ut Primianus damnatus non inquietet partem Donati, nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicat; ut autem Caecilianus, quem absentem inimici similiter damnauerunt, non deputetur episcopus et contaminet omnes christianas gentes usque ad terminos terrae, et causae causa et personae persona praeiudicat.

They said this when we told them: “The council that you bring against Caecilian does not harm the absent Caecilian, just as the council held in the case of Maximian, where Primian was condemned, does not harm the absent Primian.” For they brought forward the council in which seventy-odd bishops had condemned Caecilian in his absence, while some hundred bishops of their own party are brought forward who had condemned Primian in his absence. So because we told them that the one did not harm Caecilian just as the other did not harm Primian, since both councils were held against absent men, at once, finding nothing to answer and suffering dreadful straits, they said that neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person; which the Catholic Church has on its lips against all human slanders, and now much more strongly and much more freely, when what the truth always held has been confirmed even by the confession of its enemies. Who, then, could bear it without grave sorrow, who could hold back a groan, who would not burst into tears and a cry of grief, having duly considered this? See: so that Primian, condemned by bishops of the party of Donatus, should not lose his episcopate, or so that the condemned Primian should not disturb the party of Donatus, neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person; but so that Caecilian, whom his enemies likewise condemned in his absence, should not be counted a bishop and should contaminate all the Christian nations to the ends of the earth, both does one case prejudice another case and one person another person.

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Summary: The Donatists conceded that “one case does not prejudice another” to protect Primian, yet deny the same to Caecilian and the worldwide church.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 3 (CSEL 53:99–100; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 4

4CSEL 53:100–102

Si uoce ipsius unitatis clament ecclesiae Ponti, Bithyniae, Asiae, Cappadociae ceterarumque orientalium regionum, ad quas beatus Petrus apostolus scribit: (o pars Donati, non nouimus quid dicatis. quare nobis non communicatis? si Caecilianus mali aliquid fecit, quod nobis non probatum est nec demonstratum, tamen si mali aliquid fecit, quare nobis praeiudicat? si nos audire non uultis, uos ipsos audite dicentes: nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicat. an usque adeo potest uestra peruersitas, ut haec uerba ualeant, ne nobis praeiudicet Primianus, et haec uerba non ualeant, ut nobis praeiudicet Caecilianus? clament etiam similiter septem orientales ecclesiae, ad quas scribit apostolus Iohannes, Ephesi, Zmyrnae, Thyatirae, Sardis, Philadelphiae, Laudociae, Pergami, et dicant: (quid uobis fecimus, fratres, qui potius Donati quam nostrae communionis esse uoluistis? si Caecilianus peccauit, quamuis et ipsius crimen non potuistis ostendere, quia, sicut Primianus uester, sic absens etiam iste damnatus est, uerumtamen qualiscumque ille fuerit, nos nobis quid fecimus? quare christiani cum christianis pacem habere non uultis, quare in nobis communia sacramenta rescinditis? quid nobis fecimus? quare Primiani causa non praeiudicat parti Donati, nisi quia uerum est quod dixistis: nec causae causa nec personae persona praeiudicat? quare ergo causa Caeciliani praeiudicat hereditati Christi, in qua sumus apostolorum labore plantati? ad unam nostrum scribit apostolus Iohannes, quod habeat pauca nomina in Sardis eorum, qui non inquinauerunt uestimenta sua; nec tamen ab eis, qui in ipsa ecclesia inmundi fuerunt, illorum paucorum uestimenta polluta sunt, quoniam uerum est quod dixistis, nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae. quomodo ergo potest causa et persona Caeciliani praeiudicare nobis? aut si non praeiudicat, quare separamini a nobis? dicant etiam ecclesiae, ad quas Paulus apostolus scribit, Romanorum, Corinthiorum, Philippensium, Colossensium, Thessalonicensium — nam de Galatia et Epheso supra iam dictum est —, dicant ergo et istae: (litteras ad nos datas, fratres, cotidie legitis, qui uultis adhuc esse de parte Donati. in ipsis epistulis per nomen pacis nos apostolus salutauit dicens: gratia uobis et pax a deo patre et domino Iesu Christo. quare pacem in nostris epistulis legendo didicistis et eam nobiscum tenere noluistis? tam in longinquis terris trans mare positis Afrum nobis obicitis Caecilianum. certe uerum est quod dixistis: nec causae causa praeiudicat nec persona personae: quae est ista priuata et peculiaris sanctificatio, qua uobis licet, ut Afrae parti Donati causa non praeiudicet Afri Primiani nec personae Primiani Carthaginiensis praeiudicet persona Mustitani Feliciani, et ad nos Africana praeiudicia tam longe mittantur aut nobis praeiudicet causa Caeciliani?

Suppose the churches of Pontus, Bithynia, Asia, Cappadocia, and the other eastern regions, to which the blessed apostle Peter writes, were to cry out with the voice of unity itself: “Party of Donatus, we do not know what you are talking about. Why are you not in communion with us? If Caecilian did something evil, which has not been proved or shown to us, yet if he did something evil, why does it prejudice us? If you will not listen to us, listen to yourselves saying: neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person. Or can your perversity go so far that these words hold good so that Primian does not prejudice you, and these words do not hold good so that Caecilian prejudices us?” Let the seven eastern churches to which the apostle John writes, Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Pergamum, likewise cry out and say: “What have we done to you, brothers, that you chose to be of the communion of Donatus rather than ours? If Caecilian sinned, though you could not show even his crime, since like your Primian he too was condemned in his absence, yet whatever he was, what have we done to you? Why will you not, as Christians, have peace with Christians? Why do you annul in us the sacraments we have in common? What have we done to you? Why does Primian’s case not prejudice the party of Donatus, unless because what you said is true: neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person? Why then does Caecilian’s case prejudice the inheritance of Christ, in which we were planted by the labor of the apostles? To one of us the apostle John writes that it has a few names in Sardis of those who have not soiled their garments; and yet the garments of those few were not polluted by those who were unclean in that very church, since what you said is true, that neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person. How, then, can the case and person of Caecilian prejudice us? Or if it does not, why do you separate yourselves from us?” Let the churches to which the apostle Paul writes also say it, those of the Romans, the Corinthians, the Philippians, the Colossians, the Thessalonians (for Galatia and Ephesus have already been mentioned above); let these too say: “Brothers, you who still wish to be of the party of Donatus, you read every day the letters given to us. In those very letters the apostle greeted us in the name of peace, saying: ‘Grace to you and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.’ Why did you learn peace by reading our letters and refuse to keep it with us? To us, set in lands so far away across the sea, you object the African Caecilian. Surely what you said is true: neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person. What is this private and peculiar sanctification of yours, by which you are permitted that the case of the African Primian should not prejudice the African party of Donatus, nor the person of Felician of Mustis prejudice the person of Primian of Carthage, and yet African prejudgments are sent so far to us, and the case of Caecilian prejudices us?”

1 Pet 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Rev 1:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Rev 3:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 1:7 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine imagines the churches addressed by Peter, John, and Paul asking the Donatists why Caecilian’s case should cut them off when Primian’s does not cut off the Donatists.

  • The digital text twice reads “nos nobis quid fecimus” / “quid nobis fecimus”; the sense requires “to you” (uobis), and it is so translated. Galatia and Ephesus “mentioned above” are presumably covered by Asia and the seven churches.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence): non ualeant. ut → non ualeant, ut; Iohannes. Ephesi → Iohannes, Ephesi.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 4 (CSEL 53:100–102; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 5

5CSEL 53:102–103

Dicat etiam catholica ecclesia in ipsa Africa constituta et per pacem atque unitatem Christi illis omnibus communione copulata, dicat etiam ipsa: nec mihi Caeciliani causa praeiudicat, contra quem absentem septuaginta episcoporum est prolata sententia, quia non praeiudicat ecclesiae, quae toto orbe diffunditur, in cuius communione permaneo, aut certe praeiudicet parti Donati causa Primiani, quem sui collegae similiter absentem numerosiore concilio damnauerunt. si autem ideo non praeiudicat, quia nec causa causae nec persona personae, multo magis seruanda est ista iustitia erga unitatem catholicam Christi, si eam seruari erga se postulat pars Donati. hoc ecclesia catholica in Africa constituta proclamat: o pars Donati, tu ista uerba dixisti, tu ista uerba tua recognouisti, tu istis uerbis etiam suscripsisti: nec causa causae nec persona personae praeiudicat. ego inter spiritus olim requiescentium recito Caecilianum, tu adhuc uides et tecum habes in corpore Felicianum, a quo Primianus damnatus est. in ipsa Primiani causa Felicianum damnasti et eum postea, sicut erat, episcopum Primiano tibique sociasti. si tantum ualet, quod nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae, ut tibi non praeiudicet hodie tecum uiuentis communio Feliciani, mihi quomodo praeiudicat olim defuncti memoria Caeciliani?

Let the Catholic Church established in Africa itself, joined in communion with all those churches through the peace and unity of Christ, let it too say: “Neither does the case of Caecilian prejudice me, against whom in his absence the sentence of seventy bishops was pronounced, since it does not prejudice the church spread over the whole world, in whose communion I remain; or else let the case of Primian prejudice the party of Donatus, whom his colleagues likewise condemned in his absence in a more numerous council. But if it does not prejudice it, because neither does one case prejudice another nor one person another, much more must this justice be kept toward the Catholic unity of Christ, if the party of Donatus demands that it be kept toward itself.” This the Catholic Church established in Africa proclaims: “Party of Donatus, you said these words, you acknowledged these words as yours, you even signed these words: neither does one case prejudice another nor one person another. I name Caecilian among the spirits of those long at rest; you still see Felician, by whom Primian was condemned, and have him with you in the body. In Primian’s very case you condemned Felician, and afterward you joined him, a bishop as he was, to Primian and to yourself. If the principle that neither does one case prejudice another nor one person another has such force that communion with Felician, living with you today, does not prejudice you, how does the memory of Caecilian, long dead, prejudice me?”

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Summary: The African Catholic Church asks why the long-dead Caecilian should stain it when the living Felician, a condemned Maximianist, does not stain the Donatists.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 5 (CSEL 53:102–103; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 6

6CSEL 53:103–104

Quid ad ista respondent, qui uobis adhuc iactant inania et suae saluti, si non se correxerint, nocitura mendacia? quid adhuc dicunt nos iudicem corrupisse, ut pro nobis sententia proferretur? numquid et tanti apud uos meriti episcopum praeclarissimum defensorem corrupimus, ut pro nobis talia loqueretur? hoc enim agebamus omnibus uiribus, hoc instabamus, ut Caeciliani causa atque persona, qualiscumque ille fuerit, ad causam et personam ecclesiae, quam deus suis sanctis testimoniis roborauit, non pertinere ostenderetur. hoc agebamus etiam similitudinibus euangelicis, ut causa et persona zizaniorum non praeiudicaret causae et personae tritici, quamuis in eodem agro eadem pluuia simul crescerent usque ad messem, quando separari oporteret; ut causa et persona paleae non praeiudicaret (causae et) personae frumenti, quamuis in eadem area simul triturarentur, donec nouissima uentilatione separarentur; ut causa et persona haedorum non praeiudicaret causae et personae ouium, quamuis communibus pascuis utraque pecora permixta seruentur, donec a pastore summo in iudicio nouissimo alii ad sinistram, alii ad dexteram segregentur; ut causa et persona piscium malorum non praeiudicaret causae et personae piscium bonorum, quamuis intra eadem retia tenerentur in extremo litore separandi, hoc est in fine maris, quod significat finem saeculi. quibus parabolis et figuris ecclesia praenuntiata est usque ad finem saeculi bonos et malos simul habitura, ita ut mali bonis obesse non possint, cum uel ignorantur uel pro pace et tranquillitate ecclesiae tolerantur, si eos prodi aut accusari non oportuerit aut aliis bonis non potuerint demonstrari, ita sane, ut nec emendationis uigilantia quiescat corripiendo degradando excommunicando ceterisque cohercitionibus licitis atque concessis, quae salua unitatis pace in ecclesia cotidie fiunt secundum praeceptum apostolicum caritate seruata, qui dixit: si quis autem non obaudit uerbo nostro per epistulam, hunc notate, et nolite commisceri cum eo, ut erubescat; et non ut inimicum existimetis, sed corripite ut fratrem. sic enim et disciplina seruat patientiam et patientia temperat disciplinam et utrumque refertur ad caritatem, ne forte aut indisciplinata patientia foueat iniquitatem aut inpatiens disciplina dissipet unitatem.

What do they answer to this, who still boast empty things to you and lies that will harm their own salvation unless they correct themselves? Why do they still say that we corrupted the judge so that sentence would be given for us? Did we also corrupt your bishop, the most distinguished defender of such merit among you, so that he would say such things for us? For this is what we were doing with all our strength, what we were pressing: to show that the case and person of Caecilian, whatever he was, had nothing to do with the case and person of the church, which God has strengthened with his holy testimonies. We were doing this also with the Gospel likenesses: that the case and person of the weeds should not prejudice the case and person of the wheat, though they grow together in the same field under the same rain until the harvest, when they must be separated; that the case and person of the chaff should not prejudice the case and person of the grain, though they are threshed together on the same threshing floor until they are separated by the final winnowing; that the case and person of the goats should not prejudice the case and person of the sheep, though both flocks are kept mixed in common pastures until they are separated by the chief Shepherd at the last judgment, some to the left, some to the right; that the case and person of the bad fish should not prejudice the case and person of the good fish, though they are held within the same nets, to be separated on the far shore, that is, at the end of the sea, which signifies the end of the age. By these parables and figures the church was foretold as going to have good and bad together until the end of the age, in such a way that the bad cannot harm the good, since they are either unknown or tolerated for the peace and tranquillity of the church, if it was not fitting to expose or accuse them, or they could not be shown to be bad to other good people; yet so that the vigilance of amendment does not rest, by rebuking, degrading, excommunicating, and the other lawful and permitted restraints which are done daily in the church without harm to the peace of unity, according to the apostle’s precept, with love preserved, who said: “If anyone does not obey our word in this letter, note that person, and do not mix with him, so that he may be ashamed; and do not regard him as an enemy, but rebuke him as a brother.” For in this way discipline keeps patience and patience tempers discipline, and both are referred to love, lest undisciplined patience foster iniquity or impatient discipline scatter unity.

Matt 13:24–30 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 25:32–33 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:47–50 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Thess 3:14–15 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Catholics argued from the parables of the weeds, chaff, goats, and fish that the bad mixed in the church do not harm the good, while discipline continues in love.

  • “Your bishop … the most distinguished defender” refers ironically to a Donatist spokesman whose admission (“one case does not prejudice another”) favored the Catholics; probably Emeritus of Caesarea or Petilian. The editor’s addition “(causae et)” is translated.

Topics: Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 6 (CSEL 53:103–104; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 7

7CSEL 53:104–105

Ista cum fiunt a bonis, non inquinantur a malis, quia nec eorum peccatis consentiendo communicant et ab eis etsi non corporaliter segregatione, tamen spiritali uitae dissimilitudine et morum diuersitate discedunt, eo modo oboedientes praecepto dominico quo ait: discedite inde, et inmundum ne tetigeritis. nam qui hoc non spiritaliter obseruandum putant, adrogantia uanitatis in illud incidunt, quod per eundem prophetam dominus detestatur dicens: qui dicunt (noli me tangere, quoniam mundus sum, hic fumus indignationis meae. hoc episcopi uestri faciendum putauerunt, quando utrisque nostrum a iudice oblato consessu nobiscum sedere noluerunt, dicentes scriptum sibi esse ne cum talibus sedeant, illud utique non spiritaliter, sed carnaliter intellegentes, quod in psalmo positum est: et cum impiis non sedebo, et tamen fecerunt, quod in eodem ipso loco psalmi pariter prohibetur. nam ibi dicit propheta: et cum iniqua gerentibus non introibo. si ergo, quia nos iniquos uel nouerant uel putabant, ideo nobiscum sedere noluerunt, quare, quod similiter prohibetur, nobiscum introierunt ex parte sancti et ex parte polluti, nisi quia scripturas sanctas non intellegendo et carnaliter sapiendo etiam ipsam unitatem dissipauerunt?

When good people do these things, they are not defiled by the bad, because they do not share in their sins by consenting to them, and they depart from them, if not by bodily separation, then by spiritual unlikeness of life and difference of conduct, obeying in this way the Lord’s command where he says: “Depart from there, and touch no unclean thing.” For those who think this is not to be observed spiritually fall, through the arrogance of vanity, into what the Lord detests through the same prophet, saying: “Those who say, ‘Do not touch me, for I am clean’: this is the smoke of my anger.” Your bishops thought they should do this when, though the judge offered seats to both of us, they refused to sit with us, saying that it was written for them not to sit with such people, understanding not spiritually but carnally what is set down in the psalm, “And I will not sit with the impious”; and yet they did what is forbidden equally in the very same place of the psalm. For there the prophet says: “And I will not go in with those who do wicked things.” If, then, because they either knew or thought us wicked, they refused to sit with us, why did they go in with us (which is likewise forbidden), from the side of the holy and from the side of the polluted, unless because, by not understanding the holy Scriptures and thinking carnally, they have scattered unity itself?

Isa 52:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 65:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 26:4 (25:4 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 26:5 (25:5 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The good separate from the bad in heart, not body; the Donatist bishops’ refusal to sit with the Catholics while entering with them misreads Ps 26.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 7 (CSEL 53:104–105; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 8

8CSEL 53:105–106

Non itaque polluunt mali bonos in eodem agro, in eadem area, in eisdem pascuis, in eisdem retibus constituti, quia non eis communicant boni, sed altari et sacramentis dei. communicant autem malis qui consentiunt factis malorum; scriptum est enim: non solum qui faciunt ea, uerum etiam qui consentiunt facientibus. Cum uero mali pacis conseruandae necessitate tolerantur, non iniquitatis communicandae societate appetuntur, ut cum zizaniis triticum suauem pluuiam pariter bibat, seruet tamen ubertatem suam nec conuertatur in zizaniorum sterilitatem, sed utrumque simul usque ad messem crescat, ne forte, cum colliguntur zizania, eradicetur simul et triticum, nullam cum bonis habent mali participationem salutis uel perditionis — quae enim participatio iustitiae cum iniquitate?-, nullam cum bonis habent mali societatem regni aut ignis aeterni — quae enim societas luci ad tenebras? —, non habent mali cum bonis consonantiam uitae ac uoluntatis — quae enim consonantia Christi ad Beliar? —, non habent boni cum malis partem nec in poena criminis nec in praemio pietatis-quae enim pars fideli cum infideli? — et cum intra eadem retia, donec ad litus perueniant, pariter diuina sacramenta percipiunt, illi sociantur, illi dissociantur, isti consonant, illi dissonant, isti habent partem cum misericordia, illi cum iudicio, quoniam misericordiam (et iudicium) cantat ecclesia domino et qui manducat indigne iudicium non alteri, sed sibi manducat. de ipso quippe pane et de ipsa dominica manu et Iudas partem et Petrus accepit; et tamen quae societas, quae consonantia, quae pars Petro cum Iuda, quoniam nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae?

So the bad do not pollute the good, though placed in the same field, on the same threshing floor, in the same pastures, in the same nets, because the good are in communion not with them but with the altar and the sacraments of God. But those are in communion with the bad who consent to the deeds of the bad; for it is written: “Not only those who do them, but also those who consent to those who do them.” When the bad are tolerated out of the necessity of keeping peace, not sought out by a partnership of sharing in iniquity, so that the wheat drinks the gentle rain together with the weeds yet keeps its fruitfulness and is not turned into the barrenness of the weeds, but both grow together until the harvest, lest perhaps, when the weeds are gathered, the wheat be rooted up with them: then the bad have no participation with the good in salvation or in perdition (for what participation has righteousness with iniquity?); the bad have no fellowship with the good in the kingdom or in the eternal fire (for what fellowship has light with darkness?); the bad have no harmony with the good in life and will (for what harmony has Christ with Belial?); the good have no part with the bad either in the punishment of crime or in the reward of piety (for what part has a believer with an unbeliever?). And though within the same nets, until they reach the shore, they receive the divine sacraments alike, these are joined, those disjoined; these agree, those disagree; these have their part with mercy, those with judgment; since the church sings to the Lord of mercy and judgment, and “whoever eats unworthily eats judgment” not to another but “to himself.” For from the same bread and from the same hand of the Lord both Judas and Peter received a portion; and yet what fellowship, what harmony, what part has Peter with Judas, since neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person?

Rom 1:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:29–30 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:14–15 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 101:1 (100:1 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 11:29 (quotation, high confidence) · John 13:26 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Sharing the sacraments with the bad does not make the good share their guilt; only consent to evil does, as Peter and Judas received from the same hand.

  • The editor’s addition “(et iudicium)” is translated. Judas and Peter receiving from the Lord’s hand: John 13:26 with the Last Supper.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip (l for I); words run together in the digital text): adBeliar?—,nonhabent → ad Beliar? —, non habent; ludas → Iudas.

Topics: Eucharist

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 8 (CSEL 53:105–106; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 9

9CSEL 53:106–107

Siue ergo exeant, de quibus scriptum est: ex nobis exierunt, sed non erant ex nobis, siue intus esse uideantur, de quibus beatus Cyprianus apertissime loquitur dicens: nam etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen inpediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus — quibus uerbis episcopi uestri nihil omnino ausi sunt respondere, quamuis diu frustra contenderint, quod non in ecclesia praedicta sint figurata zizania, quia dixit dominus: ager est hic mundus nec dixit (ager est ecclesia. nos autem mundum pro ecclesiae significatione positum dicebamus, sicut etiam Cyprianus intellexit, quia per totum mundum futura praefigurabatur ecclesia. unde illi dicebant mundum semper in malam significationem positum, et testimonia de scripturis dabant, quia scriptum est: si quis dilexerit mundum, non est caritas patris in illo et cetera talia; nos uero non solum in malam, sed etiam in bonam significationem mundum in scripturis positum respondebamus et commemorabamus inter alia etiam illud quod scriptum est: deus erat in Christo mundum reconcilians sibi, qui utique non sibi reconciliat nisi ecclesiam —, siue ergo exeant mali siue intus uel ignorentur uel uideantur, hoc agit misericordia et iustitia dei, ut sibi ad mala non consentientibus bonis mali non obsint, sed utrique propriam sarcinam portent, et nec filius accipiat peccata patris, nisi eum fuerit in malis imitatus, sed anima quae peccauerit ipsa moriatur. Cum ergo quisque malis consentit ad malum, iam unam causam cum eis habet et totius societatis malorum fit una persona, ac per hoc, cum simul pereunt simulque damnantur, causa sua et persona sua cuique praeiudicat, non aliena; cum uero boni et mali idem uerbum dei simul audiunt et simul dei sacramenta percipiunt et tamen dissimiles habent actuum suorum causas et dissimiles gerunt uoluntatis diuersitate personas, eundem cibum sanctum aliis manducantibus digne aliis indigne, nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae.

Whether, then, they go out, those of whom it is written, “They went out from us, but they were not of us,” or whether they seem to be inside, those of whom the blessed Cyprian speaks most plainly, saying: “For even if there seem to be weeds in the church, our faith or our love ought not to be hindered, so that, because we see that there are weeds in the church, we ourselves should withdraw from the church” (to which words your bishops dared to answer nothing at all, though they contended long and in vain that the weeds were not figured as foretold in the church, because the Lord said, “The field is this world,” and did not say, “The field is the church.” We, however, said that “world” was put to signify the church, as Cyprian too understood, since the church was prefigured as going to be throughout the whole world. Hence they said that “world” is always used in a bad sense, and gave testimonies from the Scriptures, since it is written, “If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,” and other such things; but we answered that in the Scriptures “world” is used not only in a bad but also in a good sense, and recalled among other things what is written, “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself,” who surely reconciles to himself nothing but the church): whether, then, the bad go out, or whether inside they are either unknown or seen, the mercy and justice of God bring it about that the bad do not harm the good who do not consent to them in evil, but each bears his own burden; and the son does not receive the sins of the father, unless he has imitated him in evil, but the soul that has sinned, it shall die. So when anyone consents to the bad in evil, he already has one case with them and becomes one person of the whole fellowship of the bad; and therefore, when they perish together and are condemned together, it is his own case and his own person that prejudices each, not another’s. But when the good and the bad hear the same word of God together and receive the sacraments of God together, and yet have unlike cases in their actions and play unlike persons by the difference of their wills, some eating the same holy food worthily and others unworthily, neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person.

1 John 2:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:38 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 6:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 18:20 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Whether the bad leave the church or remain within it, God sees that each bears his own guilt; consent makes one cause with the wicked, mere sharing of sacraments does not.

  • Cyprian, Letter 54.3 (Hartel).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence): caritas nostra. ut quoniam → caritas nostra, ut quoniam; ad malum. iam → ad malum, iam.

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Ep. 54.3 (Letters; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 9 (CSEL 53:106–107; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 10

10CSEL 53:107–108

Ac per hoc, quaecumque testimonia diuinarum scripturarum episcopi uestri commemorare potuerunt, quibus ab omni malorum hominum permixtione pura praenuntiabatur ecclesia, non qualis nunc est illis testimoniis praenuntiabatur, sed qualis post istam mortalitatem in uita aeterna futura est; et quaecumque testimonia scripturarum posuerunt de filiis, quos merito parentum, (non) imitando malitiam, unam cum eis causam habere uoluerunt, [quod] non intellegentes diuina testimonia secum pugnare cogebant nec utrasque uoces dei pro diuersitate temporum, causarum personarumque distinguentes in concordiam redigebant, sed sicut contra nos ipsi, ita etiam uolebant inter se ipsa diuina documenta pugnare. nec mirum si pacem scripturae dei non intellegebant, qui pacem cum eius ecclesia non habebant.

And so, whatever testimonies of the divine Scriptures your bishops could cite in which the church was foretold as pure of all mixture with bad people, those testimonies foretold not such a church as it is now, but such as it will be in eternal life after this mortality. And whatever testimonies of the Scriptures they set down about sons whom they wished to have one case with their parents by the parents’ desert, not by imitating their wickedness, they did not understand them; they were forcing the divine testimonies to fight against each other, and did not bring both voices of God into harmony by distinguishing them according to the difference of times, cases, and persons; but just as they themselves fought against us, so they wanted the divine documents to fight among themselves. No wonder they did not understand the peace of God’s Scriptures, who had no peace with his church.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Texts promising a pure church describe the age to come, and texts about sons bearing parents’ sins apply only to imitators; the Donatists set Scripture against itself.

  • The editor adds “(non)” (translated) and deletes “quod” before “non intellegentes”.

Topics: Scripture and canon, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 10 (CSEL 53:107–108; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 11

11CSEL 53:108–109

Nos autem utraque accipientes testimonia demonstrabamus utrorumque concordiam. nam et illud accipiebamus, quod in suis litteris commemorauerunt, ecclesiae dictum esse: nec adiciet ultra per te transire incircumcisus et inmundus et illud, quod scriptum est: sinite utraque crescere usque ad messem, sed hoc esse in agro, illud futurum in horreo. denique et ipsi, qui diu contenderunt dicentes zizania, quae cum tritico simul crescere usque ad messem permissa sunt, non in ecclesia, sed in mundo esse contra intellectum martyris Cypriani, qui dixit: etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania: non tamen inpediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania esse in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus, et nolentes consentire mundi nomine ecclesiam posse significari contra uerba apostoli, qui dixit: deus erat in Christo mundum reconcilians sibi et contra ipsius uerba domini, qui dixit: non uenit filius hominis ut iudicet mundum, sed ut saluetur mundus per ipsum — neque enim reconciliari deo et saluari per ipsum mundus potest, nisi mundi nomine intellegatur ecclesia, quae sola per eum deo reconciliata saluatur —, tamen in illa similitudine, quam ex euangelio commemorauimus, quod et boni et mali pisces, quousque in litore, hoc est in fine saeculi, separentur, intra eadem permixti retia continentur, uicti euidentia ueritatis malos in ecclesia usque in finem saeculi permixtos esse confessi sunt, sed eos occultos esse dixerunt, quoniam sic a sacerdotibus ignorantur, quemadmodum pisces intra retia, cum adhuc in mari sunt, a piscatoribus [intra retia] non uidentur. quomodo ergo testimonium propheticum, quod in sua responsione posuerunt, quo ecclesiae dictum est: non adiciet ultra per te transire incircumcisus et inmundus, ad hoc tempus pertinere intellegitur, quando ecclesia retibus comparata est, quibus in mari adhuc positis pisces malos bonis permixtos uel occultos esse confessi sunt? unde manifestum est non nisi in futuro saeculo post iudicium nullum incircumcisum et inmundum per ecclesiam transiturum. o uiolentia ueritatis, quae suos non in carne, sed in corde torquet inimicos, ut eam confiteantur inuiti!

We, however, accepting both sets of testimonies, showed their harmony. For we accepted both what they cited in their letter as said to the church, “The uncircumcised and the unclean shall no longer pass through you,” and what is written, “Let both grow until the harvest”; but the latter is in the field, the former will be in the barn. Finally, they themselves contended long, saying that the weeds which were permitted to grow with the wheat until the harvest are not in the church but in the world, against the understanding of the martyr Cyprian, who said, “Even if there seem to be weeds in the church, our faith or our love ought not to be hindered, so that, because we see that there are weeds in the church, we ourselves should withdraw from the church”; and they would not agree that the church can be signified by the name “world,” against the words of the apostle, who said, “God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself,” and against the words of the Lord himself, who said, “The Son of Man did not come to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him” (for the world cannot be reconciled to God and saved through him unless by the name “world” the church is understood, which alone is reconciled to God and saved through him). And yet, in that likeness which we cited from the Gospel, that good and bad fish are held mixed within the same nets until they are separated on the shore, that is, at the end of the age, overcome by the evidence of the truth they confessed that bad people are mixed in the church until the end of the age; but they said they are hidden, since they are unknown to the priests just as fish within the nets, while still in the sea, are not seen by the fishermen. How, then, can the prophetic testimony which they set down in their reply, in which it is said to the church, “The uncircumcised and the unclean shall no longer pass through you,” be understood to belong to this time, when the church is compared to nets in which, while they are still in the sea, they confessed that bad fish are mixed with the good, or hidden? From this it is plain that only in the age to come, after the judgment, will no uncircumcised and unclean person pass through the church. O force of truth, which tortures its enemies not in the flesh but in the heart, so that they confess it against their will!

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Isa 52:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:30 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 3:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:47–49 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatists themselves admitted hidden bad fish within the church’s nets, so Isaiah’s promise of a church without the unclean refers to the age to come.

  • Cyprian, Letter 54.3. The editor deletes “intra retia” after “a piscatoribus”.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip (ii for u); period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray period in the digital text): potest. nisi → potest, nisi; saluatiir → saluatur; permixtos esse. confessi → permixtos esse confessi; ueritatis. quae → ueritatis, quae.

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Ep. 54.3 (Letters; quotation)

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 11 (CSEL 53:108–109; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 12

12CSEL 53:109–110

Ecce manifestatum est quod dicebatur a nobis, distinguenda esse tempora ecclesiae: non eam nunc esse talem, qualis post resurrectionem futura est; nunc malos habere permixtos, tunc omnino non habituram; ad illam eius puritatem, non ad huius temporis permixtionem illa diuina testimonia pertinere, quibus eam deus praedixit ab omni malorum permixtione penitus alienam. ecce etiam ipsi ueritate euangelica non aliud coacti sunt confiteri, qui malos occultos nunc ei permixtos esse dixerunt. ecce nunc transit per illam licet occultus inmundus. non est ergo tempus, quod praedictum est dicente propheta: non adiciet ultra per te transire incircumcisus et inmundus. nunc ergo transeunt uel occulti. nam et hoc ipsum, quod ait (non adiciet ultra, ostendit eos prius solere transire, sed ultra non transituros. et a nobis inuidiose requirebant, quomodo potuerit in ecclesia Christi diabolus seminare zizania, cum ipsi faterentur in ecclesia malos saltem occultos esse permixtos nec uellent adtendere a diabolo utique seminatos.

See, what we were saying has been made plain: that the times of the church must be distinguished; that it is not now such as it will be after the resurrection; that now it has the bad mixed in, then it will not have them at all; that those divine testimonies in which God foretold it as wholly free of all mixture with the bad belong to that purity of it, not to the mixture of this time. See, they too were compelled by the Gospel truth to confess nothing else, when they said that hidden bad people are now mixed in it. See, now an unclean person passes through it, though hidden. So it is not yet the time that was foretold when the prophet said, “The uncircumcised and the unclean shall no longer pass through you.” Now, then, they pass through, even if hidden. For the very words “shall no longer” show that they used to pass through before but will not pass through any more. And they asked us spitefully how the devil could have sown weeds in the church of Christ, when they themselves admitted that at least hidden bad people are mixed in the church, and would not consider that these were certainly sown by the devil.

Isa 52:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:25 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatists’ own admission proves that the church is mixed now and will be pure only after the resurrection.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (missing space in the digital text; period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence): puritatem. non → puritatem, non; inmundus.nunc → inmundus. nunc.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 12 (CSEL 53:109–110; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 13

13CSEL 53:110

Hoc ipsum etiam, quod sibi acutum inuenisse uidebantur, contra se potius proferebant. si enim dominus propterea retibus bonos et malos pisces pariter congregantibus ecclesiam conparauit, quia malos in ecclesia non manifestos, sed latentes intellegi uoluit, quos ita nesciunt sacerdotes, quemadmodum sub fluctibus quid ceperint retia nesciunt piscatores, propterea ergo et areae conparata est, ut etiam manifesti mali bonis in ea permixti praenuntiarentur futuri. neque enim palea, quae in area est permixta frumentis, etiam ipsa sub fluctibus latet, quae sic omnium oculis est conspicua, ut potius occulta sint in ea frumenta, cum sit ipsa manifesta. de hac autem areae similitudine, quia et ipsam inter ceteras ex euangelio posueramus, nihil in litteris suis contra nos scribere potuerunt nisi Hieremian prophetam dixisse: quid paleis ad triticum? quod ideo dixit, quia similia non sunt, non quia permixta esse non possunt, quia in horreo non simul erunt, non quia in area pariter non triturantur. quamquam Hieremias, cum hoc diceret, non agebat de populo dei, sed de somniis hominum et uisionibus prophetarum, quia haec duo nulla similitudine conparanda sunt, sicut plenitudini tritici inanitas paleae non potest conparari.

The very point which they seemed to themselves to have found so sharp, they were rather bringing forward against themselves. For if the Lord compared the church to nets gathering good and bad fish alike because he wished the bad in the church to be understood as not manifest but hidden, whom priests do not know just as fishermen do not know what the nets have caught under the waves, then for that very reason the church was also compared to a threshing floor, so that it would be foretold that even manifest bad people would be mixed in it with the good. For the chaff mixed with the grain on the threshing floor does not also lie hidden under the waves; it is so conspicuous to all eyes that the grain in it is rather what is hidden, while the chaff itself is in plain view. About this likeness of the threshing floor, which we had also set down among others from the Gospel, they could write nothing against us in their letter except that the prophet Jeremiah said, “What has chaff to do with wheat?” He said this because they are not alike, not because they cannot be mixed; because they will not be together in the barn, not because they are not threshed together on the threshing floor. And yet Jeremiah, when he said this, was not dealing with the people of God, but with the dreams of men and the visions of prophets, because these two cannot be compared by any likeness, just as the emptiness of chaff cannot be compared to the fullness of wheat.

Jer 23:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:47–48 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The threshing floor shows that even manifest sinners are mixed in the church; Jeremiah’s “What has chaff to do with wheat?” concerns dreams and prophecy.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray dash in the digital text): conparari.- → conparari..

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 13 (CSEL 53:110; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 14

14CSEL 53:110–112

Temptauerunt sane episcopi uestri negare scriptum in euangelio, quod areae sit ecclesia conparata, sed mox euangelicorum uerborum commemoratione conuicti ad id se conuerterunt, ut etiam ibi dicerent occultos malos significatos, non manifestos, de quibus scriptum est: ueniet ferens uentilabrum in manu sua et mundabit aream suam, frumenta recondet in horreo, paleas autem conburet igni inextinguibili. uos itaque iudicate, aperite oculos, aures intendite ueritati. si propterea, sicut ipsi dixerunt, dominus ecclesiam retibus conparauit, quia non manifestos, sed latentes in ea malos intellegi uoluit, quos ita non uident sacerdotes, quemadmodum pisces intra retia sub fluctibus non uident piscatores, numquid et area sub aqua uel sub terra trituratur aut certe nocturnis horis, non in sole conteritur aut in ea rusticus caecus operatur? quanto ergo melius se ipsos corrigunt quam euangelia sancta peruertunt et ad uanum suae mentis errorem eloquia dominica detorquere conantur! aut enim et illa piscium similitudo non propter occultos, sed tantum propter mixtos in ecclesia malos a domino posita est aut certe singulis rebus propriae similitudines datae sunt, de piscibus propter occultos, de area propter manifestos malos, quod, sicut illi ante litus, sic isti ante uentilabrum bonis in ecclesia misceantur. ipsi enim nos admonent, ut in area paleam manifestos in ecclesia malos intellegamus, qui pisces reprobos intra natantia retia propterea malos occultos intellegi uolunt, quia, sicut illos nesciunt piscatores, sic istos nesciunt sacerdotes. cur enim non dicamus: sic ergo et palea manifesti sunt mali, quia in aperto eam uident trituratores? sed sicut illi non possunt ante litoris exitum separari, sic nec illa potest ante finem debitum uentilari. custodit autem deus innocentiam sanctorum et fidelium suorum sicut piscium bonorum, sicut pinguium frumentorum, ut intra ista retia non eis noceant permixta genera reprobanda et in ista area non eis noceat permixta palea uentilanda, quia, sicut ipsi dixerunt relegerunt suscripserunt, nec causae causa nec personae poterit praeiudicare persona.

Your bishops did try to deny that it is written in the Gospel that the church is compared to a threshing floor; but soon, convicted when the Gospel words were cited, they turned to saying that there too hidden bad people were signified, not manifest ones, of whom it is written: “He will come with his winnowing fork in his hand and will clean his threshing floor; he will store the grain in the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.” So you judge: open your eyes, turn your ears to the truth. If, as they themselves said, the Lord compared the church to nets because he wished the bad in it to be understood as not manifest but hidden, whom priests do not see just as fishermen do not see the fish within the nets under the waves, is a threshing floor also threshed under water or under the earth, or at least at night hours, not trodden in the sun, or does a blind farmer work on it? How much better, then, for them to correct themselves than to pervert the holy Gospels and try to twist the Lord’s words to the empty error of their own minds! For either that likeness of the fish too was given by the Lord not because of hidden bad people but only because of bad people mixed in the church, or else each thing was given its own likeness: of the fish because of the hidden, of the threshing floor because of the manifest bad, who, just as the former are mixed with the good in the church before the shore, so the latter are before the winnowing fork. For they themselves remind us to understand the chaff on the threshing floor as the manifest bad in the church, when they want the worthless fish within the swimming nets to be understood as the hidden bad because, just as fishermen do not know the former, so priests do not know the latter. For why should we not say: so too the chaff is the manifest bad, because the threshers see it in the open? But just as the fish cannot be separated before they come out on the shore, so the chaff cannot be winnowed before the appointed end. And God guards the innocence of his saints and faithful as of the good fish, as of the plump grain, so that within these nets the mixed kinds to be rejected do not harm them, and on this threshing floor the mixed chaff to be winnowed does not harm them; since, as they themselves said, read over, and signed, neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person.

Matt 3:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 3:17 (quotation, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: If hidden sinners are the bad fish, the chaff on the open threshing floor must be manifest sinners, and neither harms the good.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 14 (CSEL 53:110–112; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.

Chapter 15

15CSEL 53:112

Haec uerba se negarent forte dixisse, nisi sua possent suscriptione conuinci. ecce quam diligenter actum est pro salute uestra, ut uerbis nostris suscriberemus, quod fieri omnino nolebant et ut facerent tandem aliquando pudore conpulsi sunt. nam exstant uerba eorum, ubi hoc facere recusarunt, et rursus alia uerba, ubi hoc facere consenserunt quod primo negauerant; omnia scripta sunt, omnibus suscriptum est. ideo enim uidebantur nolle suscribere, ut negare se possent dixisse quod dixerant et de gestis corruptis iudici calumniari. quod modo quia non possunt, dicunt ipsum esse corruptum, qui ut contra illos iudicaret non nisi ipsi fecerunt, qui contra se ipsos pro nobis tanta dixerunt, quae ut negare non possent, etiamsi coacti et inuiti, suis tamen prosecutionibus suscripserunt. ideo ergo nolebant suscribere, ut liceret eis per calumniam corruptorum gestorum negare quod dixerant, et ideo postea instante iudice consenserunt, quia sentiebant omnibus apparere nihil se aliud indicare nolendo suscribere, nisi se uerba sua ne sibi legerentur timere. maluerunt enim prosecutiones suas quibuscumque nebulis postea defendere quam eas tam cito damnare.

Perhaps they would deny having said these words, if they could not be convicted by their own signature. See how carefully it was managed for your salvation that we should sign our words, which they absolutely did not want done, and which they were at last compelled by shame to do. For their words survive in which they refused to do this, and again other words in which they agreed to do what they had first refused; everything was written down, everything was signed. They seemed unwilling to sign precisely so that they could deny having said what they had said and slander the judge over corrupted minutes. Since they cannot do this now, they say the judge himself was corrupted, whom no one but they themselves caused to judge against them, they who said so much against themselves and for us that, so as not to be able to deny it, they signed their statements, though compelled and unwilling. So they did not want to sign, so that they might be allowed to deny what they had said by slandering the minutes as corrupted; and they agreed afterward, at the judge’s insistence, because they sensed it was plain to all that by refusing to sign they showed nothing but that they feared having their own words read to them. For they preferred to defend their statements afterward with whatever fogs they could rather than condemn them so quickly.

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatists were made to sign their own statements, so they cannot deny their words and instead accuse the judge of bribery.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence): suscribere. ut liceret → suscribere, ut liceret.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 15 (CSEL 53:112; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 16

16CSEL 53:112–113

Sed uidete, rogamus uos, quemadmodum ipsa sua defensione se peius implicent et agant causam nostram et omnino perimant suam. nam post conlationem, posteaquam uicti appellare uoluerunt, obiecta sunt eis haec uerba, et ea conantur peiore sua implicatione defendere, quando ab eis quid egerint quaeritis. ita enim uos putant cor non habere, ut non intellegatis eos omni modo esse superatos, quando uobis ea dicunt quae omnino non dicerent, si aliquid utile quod dicerent inuenirent. quis enim ferat uictos homines conqueri, quod nocte contra eos est prolata sententia? quasi non saepe iudices audiendi necessitas tenet, ut usque ad multam partem noctis sedere cogantur, aut ideo non est uerum quod dicitur, quia per noctem dicitur. nec audiunt scripturam clamantem: per diem mandauit dominus misericordiam suam et nocte declarauit, et iterum: ad annuntiandam mane misericordiam tuam et ueritatem tuam per noctem. aut quod dixerunt nocte uenisse ad dominum tenendum persecutores, non adtendentes quoniam ipsis nocturnis horis etiam dominus ueritatem suis discipulis praedicauit, nec aduertere uoluerunt quod scriptum est, apostolum Paulum usque ad medium noctis produxisse sermonem. si haberent uerum quod dicerent, nox eos impedire non posset. sed sane tenebrosissimam noctem in suis mentibus patiebantur, quando contra se ipsos tanta proferebant nec ad ueritatis lucem peruersum animum corrigebant. et adhuc utique dies erat, quando nobis forensi more de tempore praescribebant, dicentes causam lapsam esse et agi iam omnino non posse, nec intellegentes nihil se hominibus ostendisse nisi quantum timuerint ne ageretur, ubi eorum peruersitas et catholica ueritas monstraretur.

But see, we beg you, how by their very defense they entangle themselves worse, and plead our case and destroy their own altogether. For after the conference, when the defeated wished to appeal, these words were put to them, and they try to defend them with a worse entanglement of their own when you ask them what they did. For they think you have so little sense that you do not understand they have been beaten in every way, when they tell you things they would never say if they could find anything useful to say. For who could bear defeated men complaining that the sentence against them was pronounced at night? As if the need to hear a case did not often hold judges so that they are compelled to sit far into the night, or as if what is said is not true because it is said at night. Nor do they listen to Scripture proclaiming: “By day the Lord commanded his mercy, and by night he declared it”; and again: “To proclaim your mercy in the morning and your truth through the night.” Or they say that the persecutors came by night to arrest the Lord, not noticing that in those same night hours the Lord also preached the truth to his disciples; nor did they wish to note what is written, that the apostle Paul prolonged his speech until midnight. If they had anything true to say, the night could not hinder them. But indeed they were suffering a most dark night in their minds, when they brought forward so much against themselves and did not correct their perverse spirit toward the light of truth. And it was certainly still day when, in forensic fashion, they pleaded the time limit against us, saying that the case had lapsed and could no longer be heard at all, not understanding that they showed people nothing but how much they feared that the case would be heard, in which their perversity and the Catholic truth would be shown.

Ps 42:8 (41:9 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 92:2 (91:3 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · John 18:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 20:7 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatists complain that the sentence was given at night; Augustine answers from Scripture and notes that they fled the light by day.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray punctuation): praedicauit,. nec → praedicauit, nec.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 16 (CSEL 53:112–113; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.