To the Donatists after the Collation 17–30
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 53 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra partem Donati post gesta (CSEL 53, 1910), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 17
17CSEL 53:113–115
Adhuc dies erat, quando uolentes destruere iudicium Romani episcopi Miltiadis, quo purgatus et absolutus est Caecilianus, etiam ipsum Miltiadem traditorem fuisse dixerunt. cuius criminationis cum ab eis esset exacta probatio, gesta prolixissima recitarunt, ubi Miltiadis nomen, quod aliquid tradiderit, non fuit. et recitauerunt etiam alia gesta, ubi legebatur Miltiadem misisse diaconos cum litteris Maxenti imperatoris et praefecti praetorio ad praefectum urbi, ut reciperent loca, quae fuerant a christianis tempore persecutionis ablata. ubi cum Miltiadis crimen nullum penitus adpareret, dixerunt superioribus traditionis gestis traditorem Stratonem fuisse recitatum, quod uocabatur unus etiam ex diaconis, quos ad recipienda loca miserat Miltiades, eundem ipsum esse contendentes et non ostendentes. neque enim Stratonem qui tradiderat saltem diaconum fuisse monstrabant. quod etiamsi esset, respondimus eis ante paruum tempus in eodem clero ecclesiae Romanae duos Petros diaconos fuisse. ita mente caeci tenebrosas calumnias innectebant, addentes etiam manifestissimam falsitatem, quod non solum nomen, sed etiam loca et regiones et personae conuenirent, quibus non alius, sed ipse esse Straton ostenderetur, cum in illis gestis omnino nihil conueniens praeter similitudinem nominis legeretur, qua plena est consuetudo generis humani, ut non solum duo, sed etiam plures homines uno nomine uocitentur. nam ipsi quoque Donatum suum Carthaginiensem, ne in iudicio Miltiadis ipse putaretur esse damnatus, quoniam illum pro magno habent, a Donato Casensi distinguendum esse clamauerunt, quia (non) Donatus Carthaginiensis contra Caecilianum missus fuerat ad Miltiadis episcopale iudicium, tam crassam noctem in corde gestantes, ut Donatum infamari nollent similitudine nominis sui et Miltiadem maculari uellent similitudine nominis alieni. nunc autem Stratoni etiam Cassiani nomen addere dicuntur, quod in conlatione tacuerunt, quasi Straton solus cognominalem habere potuisset et Cassianus non potuit. nec adtendere potuerunt interna sua nocte impediti non solum duos Iohannes, unum baptistam, alterum euangelistam, sed etiam duos Simones, unum Petrum, alterum magum, in ipso denique tam paruo numero apostolorum non solum duos Iacobos, unum Alphaei, alterum Zebedaei, sed etiam duos Iudas, unum sanctum, alterum diabolum; cui tamen Iudae apostolo sancto quisquis similiter mente caecus de crimine Iudae traditoris calumniaretur, non nisi istos imitaretur. non enim mirum est, si tales istos calumniatores post tam longum tempus patitur existimatio Miltiadis de duobus Cassianis uel de duobus Stratonibus, quales euangelica ueritas patitur de duobus Herodibus. nam quia non est expressum, quis Herodes pro Christo occisis infantibus continuo mortuus fuerit et quis Herodes cum Pilato dominum persecutus sit, putantes unum fuisse obiciunt euangelio crimen falsitatis, sicut isti putantes unum fuisse Stratonem uel Cassianum obiciunt Miltiadi maculam traditionis. et tamen illi tolerabilius errant, quia non solum nomen, uerum etiam dignitas consonat — uterque enim legitur rex Herodes —, isti autem dignitatem consonare mentiti sunt, quia utrosque fuisse diaconos nullo modo legere potuerunt.
It was still day when, wishing to destroy the judgment of Miltiades, bishop of Rome, by which Caecilian was cleared and acquitted, they said that Miltiades himself had been a betrayer. When proof of this accusation was demanded of them, they read some very long minutes in which the name of Miltiades, as having handed anything over, did not occur. And they also read other minutes in which it was read that Miltiades had sent deacons with letters of the emperor Maxentius and of the praetorian prefect to the prefect of the city, to recover the places that had been taken from the Christians in time of persecution. When no crime of Miltiades whatever appeared there, they said that in the earlier minutes of the betrayal a betrayer Strato had been read, since one of the deacons whom Miltiades had sent to recover the places was also called that, contending that he was the same man and not showing it. For they did not even show that the Strato who had handed over was a deacon. And even if he had been, we answered them that a short time ago there had been two deacons named Peter in the same clergy of the Roman church. So, blind in mind, they wove dark slanders, adding even a most manifest falsehood, that not only the name but also the places, regions, and persons agreed, by which it would be shown that Strato was not another but the same; when in those minutes nothing at all was read that agreed except the likeness of the name, with which the custom of the human race is full, so that not only two but even more people are called by one name. For they too cried out that their Donatus of Carthage was to be distinguished from Donatus of Casae, so that he would not be thought to have been condemned in the judgment of Miltiades, since they hold him in great esteem; because it was not Donatus of Carthage who had been sent against Caecilian to Miltiades’ episcopal judgment: carrying so thick a night in their hearts that they would not have Donatus disgraced by the likeness of his name, and would have Miltiades stained by the likeness of another’s name. Now they are said also to add to Strato the name of Cassian, which they kept silent about at the conference; as if Strato alone could have had a namesake and Cassian could not. Nor, hindered by their inner night, could they notice not only two Johns, one the Baptist, the other the Evangelist, but also two Simons, one Peter, the other the magician; and finally, in the very small number of the apostles, not only two named James, one of Alphaeus, the other of Zebedee, but also two named Judas, one a saint, the other a devil; and yet anyone equally blind in mind who slandered the holy apostle Judas with the crime of Judas the betrayer would only be imitating these men. For it is no wonder if the reputation of Miltiades, after so long a time, suffers such slanderers as these about two Cassians or two Stratos, as the truth of the Gospel suffers about two Herods. For since it is not stated which Herod died soon after the infants were killed for Christ’s sake, and which Herod persecuted the Lord with Pilate, those who think they were one man charge the Gospel with falsehood, just as these, thinking that Strato or Cassian was one man, charge Miltiades with the stain of betrayal. And yet those err more tolerably, because not only the name but also the rank agrees, for each is read as King Herod; but these lied that the rank agreed, since they could in no way read that both had been deacons.
Acts 8:9–24 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 6:14–16 (allusion, high confidence) · John 6:70 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 2:16–19 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 23:7–12 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatist charge against Miltiades rests on shared names (Strato, Cassian), though Scripture itself has two Johns, Simons, Jameses, Judases, and Herods.
- Two Herods: Herod the Great (Matt 2:16–19) and Herod Antipas (Luke 23:7–12). The editor’s addition “(non)” is translated. Pagans who charged the Gospels with contradiction over the Herods are not named.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (l for I)): duos ludas → duos Iudas.
Topics: Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 17 (CSEL 53:113–115; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 18
18CSEL 53:115–116
Adhuc dies erat, quando Cirtense concilium — si tamen concilium dicendum est, in quo uix undecim uel duodecim episcopi fuerunt —, unde recitauimus traditores fuisse quosdam, qui cum Secundo Tigisitano contra Caecilianum sententias protulerunt, falsum uolentes ostendere dixerunt persecutionis tempore non potuisse in aliquam domum illos undecim uel duodecim episcopos congregari, et ut probarent tempus fuisse persecutionis, protulerunt martyrum gesta, ut diebus et consulibus consideratis quod tempus fuerit appareret. quae martyrum gesta contra se ipsos protulisse conuicti sunt; in eis quippe gestis manifestatum est illo tempore persecutionis christianas plebes solitas congregari. unde constitit non esse incredibile, quod etiam illi episcopi in priuatam domum similiter conuenisse legebantur, ut plebi, quae poterat, sicut gestis martyrum continebatur, etiam persecutionis tempore congregari, occulte ordinaretur episcopus, qui posset sibi etiam ipse occulte clericos ordinare in tanta necessitate, ubi anterior episcopus cum clero lapsus per epistulam ipsius Secundi, quae ab illis allegata est, monstrabatur. ex his martyrum gestis, quae ipsi proferebant, admoniti sumus et in alia gesta martyrum intendere, et inuenimus et diximus feruente tempore persecutionis et priuatam domum, quod illi fieri potuisse negauerant, congregationi christianorum fuisse concessam et in carcere fuisse martyres baptizatos, ut uiderent, quam non esset incredibile tempore persecutionis in priuatam domum paucos episcopos congregari, quando et in ipso carcere celebrarentur sacramenta Christi, in quo inclusi homines tenebantur pro fide Christi. quantum uos ergo adiuuerint gesta martyrum proferendo, quis non uideat, qui non similem noctem habet in corde, qualem illi habebant qui haec non uidebant?
It was still day when, wishing to show false the council of Cirta (if indeed it should be called a council, in which there were scarcely eleven or twelve bishops), from which we read that certain men who pronounced sentences against Caecilian with Secundus of Tigisi had been betrayers, they said that in time of persecution those eleven or twelve bishops could not have assembled in any house; and to prove that it was a time of persecution, they produced acts of martyrs, so that, the days and consuls being considered, it would appear what time it was. They were convicted of having produced these acts of martyrs against themselves; for in those acts it was made plain that at that time of persecution Christian congregations were accustomed to assemble. From this it was established that it was not incredible that those bishops too were read to have met likewise in a private house, so that for a congregation which could assemble even in time of persecution, as the acts of the martyrs contained, a bishop might be secretly ordained, who could himself also secretly ordain clergy for himself in such great necessity, where the previous bishop with his clergy was shown to have lapsed by the letter of Secundus himself, which they had cited. From these acts of martyrs which they produced we were prompted to look into other acts of martyrs too, and we found and said that at the height of the time of persecution both a private house, which they had denied could happen, had been granted for an assembly of Christians, and martyrs had been baptized in prison; so that they might see how far from incredible it was that a few bishops assembled in a private house in time of persecution, when the sacraments of Christ were celebrated even in the very prison where men were held shut in for faith in Christ. How much, then, they helped you by producing the acts of the martyrs, who does not see, unless he has a night in his heart like that of those who did not see it?
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatists’ own acts of martyrs show that Christians assembled, ordained, and baptized during persecution, so the council of Cirta was possible.
Topics: Persecution, Martyrdom, Baptism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 18 (CSEL 53:115–116; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/18
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Chapter 19
19CSEL 53:116–118
Qui etiam hinc gestis ipsis Cirtensibus calumniabantur, quia ibi dies et consules legebantur, et exigebant a nobis, ut aliqua ecclesiastica concilia proferremus, ubi dies recitarentur et consules. ipsi enim Carthaginiense concilium factum sine die et consule proferebant. dicebant enim etiam concilium Cypriani consules non habere, ubi tamen legitur dies, in illo autem ipsorum Carthaginiensi nec dies. nos autem quod in manibus erat Romanum concilium Miltiadis, sicut illud Cirtense, et diem habere demonstrabamus et consules. neque enim tunc ad horam antiqua archiua ecclesiastica discutienda nobis fuerunt, unde ista consuetudo etiam ueterum fuisse doceretur. nec tamen inanes eis etiam nos calumnias mouere uoluimus, quare in Cypriani concilio dies inueniretur, in ipsorum autem non inueniretur, quia illi uanas moras uolebant innectere, quas nos conabamur (auertere). nam etiam hoc exigebant, ut de scripturis sanctis ostenderemus alicubi dies et consules esse conscriptos; quasi episcoporum concilia scripturis canonicis aliquando fuerint conparata aut possint etiam ipsi de scripturis sanctis proferre concilium, ubi apostoli iudices sederint et accusatum aliquem uel damnauerint uel absoluerint. et tamen respondimus eis etiam prophetas libros suos praenotatis et definitis commendasse temporibus, quo anno cuius regis, quoto mense anni, quoto die mensis factum super eos fuerit uerbum domini, ut ostenderemus, quam inaniter et calumniose de diebus et consulibus episcopalium conciliorum quaestiones uanissimas excitarent. fieri enim potest, ut in codicibus sit ista uarietas, dum alii etiam dies et consules diligentia maiore describunt, alii tamquam superfluum praetermittunt: sicut etiam codex, de quo primum legimus iudicium Constantini, quo inter partes Caecilianum innocentem, illos autem calumniosissimos pronuntiauit, diem et consulem non habebat, alius autem, quem contra eorum calumnias postea protulimus, habebat. qui etiam illic inuidiosissime proclamauerant, quod imperatoris litteras sine die et consule recitauimus, et tamen etiam ipsi alias eiusdem imperatoris litteras in causa Felicis ordinatoris Caeciliani, quas mirabili caecitate contra se ipsos protulerunt, sine die et consule recitarunt. nec eis inde aliquid obiecimus, ne similiter ut ipsi tempora necessaria superfluis uerbis occuparemus; haec autem modo dicimus, ut uos saltem oculos aperiatis et tenebrosa nocte careatis, quam uestri episcopi corde gestabant, qui nocturnam sententiam cognitioni iudicis obiecerunt et ipsi per diem interioribus tenebris inuoluti mirabili caecitate contra se ipsos tanta dixerunt.
They also slandered the minutes of Cirta on the ground that a day and consuls were read there, and they demanded that we produce some councils of the church in which days and consuls were read. For they were producing a council of Carthage held without day or consul. They said too that the council of Cyprian has no consuls, though a day is read in it, while in that Carthaginian council of theirs there is not even a day. We, however, showed that the Roman council of Miltiades, which was in hand, has both a day and consuls, like that of Cirta. For we did not then have time on the spot to examine the ancient archives of the church, by which it might be shown that this was a custom of the ancients too. Nor did we wish to raise empty slanders against them in turn, why a day was found in Cyprian’s council but not in theirs, since they wanted to weave in empty delays, which we were trying to avert. For they even demanded that we show from the holy Scriptures that days and consuls were written down somewhere; as if councils of bishops had ever been compared with the canonical Scriptures, or as if they themselves could produce from the holy Scriptures a council in which apostles sat as judges and either condemned or acquitted someone accused. And yet we answered them that the prophets too commended their books with times noted and fixed at the head, in what year of what king, in what month of the year, on what day of the month the word of the Lord came upon them; so as to show how emptily and slanderously they raised most empty questions about the days and consuls of episcopal councils. For it can happen that there is this variation in copies, some writing out even days and consuls with greater care, others omitting them as superfluous; just as the copy from which we first read the judgment of Constantine, in which he pronounced Caecilian innocent between the parties and them most slanderous, had no day and consul, while another, which we later produced against their slanders, had them. They had also cried out there most spitefully that we read the emperor’s letter without day and consul; and yet they themselves read another letter of the same emperor in the case of Felix, Caecilian’s ordainer, which by an amazing blindness they produced against themselves, without day and consul. Nor did we charge them with anything on that account, so as not to fill the necessary time with superfluous words as they did; but we say these things now so that you at least may open your eyes and be free of the dark night which your bishops carried in their hearts, who charged the judge’s hearing with a night sentence, while they themselves, wrapped by day in inner darkness, said so much against themselves with amazing blindness.
Ezek 1:1–2 (allusion, medium confidence) · Hag 1:1 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The dispute over dated and undated councils was an empty delay; copies vary in recording dates, as the Donatists’ own documents show.
- “The council of Cyprian” is the council of Carthage of 256 (Sententiae episcoporum).
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 19 (CSEL 53:116–118; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/19
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Chapter 20
20CSEL 53:118–119
Leguntur actis apud Carthaginis magistratum expressa uerba Primiani, ubi dicit, quod parentes eorum nostri maiores uariis exiliis uexauerunt, et in conlatione probare conantur accusantibus maioribus suis ab imperatore Caecilianum exilio esse damnatum. dicunt in litteris suis communionem suam ecclesiam ueritatis, quae persecutionem patitur, non quae facit, et conantur ostendere Caecilianum damnatum iudicio imperatoris persequentibus maioribus suis, et hoc dicunt factum non per Donatum Casensem, sed per eum, quem prae ceteris praedicant, Donatum Carthaginiensem. hoc enim scriptis suis [per suos] modo iactare dicuntur, ubi uicti iudicem accusant, quia noctem cordis ipsorum nocturna ueritas confutauit. Donatum illum, illum, inquam, Donatum, quem dixerunt ecclesiae Carthaginis ornamentum et martyralis gloriae uirum, sic commendare uoluerunt, ut dicerent, quod apud imperatoris Constantini cognitionem ipse reum et asseruerit et conuicerit Caecilianum. ille ergo uir gloriae martyralis apud imperatoris cognitionem reum constituit et asseruit Caecilianum illamque cognitionem Caeciliani damnatio consecuta est, illo uiro gloriae martyralis accusante et instante Caecilianus ab imperatore damnatus est. quod quidem nos falsum esse conuicimus, qui eiusdem imperatoris litteras, quibus se inter partes audisse et iudicasse testatur, ubi Caeciliano absoluto atque purgato illorum calumnias detestatus est, prolatas de archiuo publico recitauimus. contra quas omnino quid responderent nihil inuenire potuerunt et ad eas confirmandas contra se ipsos alia protulerunt. proinde a maioribus eorum apud imperatorem accusatum constitit Caecilianum, damnatum autem non constitit, immo etiam constitit absolutum. sed tamen uel uos uidete, quantum adiuuerint causam nostram episcopi uestri, qui de illa uoluerunt etiam falsitate gloriari. si enim Donatus ille uir gloriae martyralis apud imperatoris cognitionem reum asseruit Caecilianum et illo uiro gloriae martyralis accusante et instante Caecilianus ab imperatore damnatus est, respondeant uobis, quando haec agebantur, quis erat martyr, utrum Donatus, qui hominem apud imperatorem persequebatur, an Caecilianus, qui illo persequente ab imperatore damnabatur? ubi est nunc illa definitiua regula ipsorum communionem Donati esse ecclesiam ueritatis quae persecutionem patitur, non quae facit? ecce patitur Caecilianus, Donatus facit: quis eorum est uir gloriae martyralis?
In the records before the magistrate of Carthage the words of Primian are read stated plainly, where he says that our forebears harassed their parents with various exiles; and at the conference they try to prove that, on the accusation of their forebears, Caecilian was condemned to exile by the emperor. They say in their letter that their communion is the church of truth, which suffers persecution, not that which inflicts it; and they try to show that Caecilian was condemned by the emperor’s judgment, their forebears persecuting him; and they say this was done not through Donatus of Casae but through the one whom they praise above the rest, Donatus of Carthage. For this is what they are now said to boast in their writings, in which, defeated, they accuse the judge because truth at night refuted the night of their hearts. That Donatus, that Donatus, I say, whom they have called the ornament of the church of Carthage and a man of martyr’s glory, they wished to commend by saying that before the hearing of the emperor Constantine he himself both charged Caecilian as guilty and convicted him. So that man of martyr’s glory, before the emperor’s hearing, made Caecilian a defendant and charged him, and condemnation of Caecilian followed that hearing; on the accusation and insistence of that man of martyr’s glory Caecilian was condemned by the emperor. This indeed we proved false, we who read the letter of the same emperor, brought out from the public archive, in which he testifies that he heard and judged between the parties, where, having acquitted and cleared Caecilian, he expressed his detestation of their slanders. Against it they could find nothing at all to answer, and to confirm it they produced other things against themselves. So it was established that Caecilian was accused before the emperor by their forebears, but not established that he was condemned; on the contrary, it was established that he was acquitted. But you at least see how much your bishops helped our case, who wished to boast even of that falsehood. For if that Donatus, a man of martyr’s glory, charged Caecilian as guilty before the emperor’s hearing, and on the accusation and insistence of that man of martyr’s glory Caecilian was condemned by the emperor, let them answer you: when these things were being done, who was the martyr, Donatus, who was persecuting a man before the emperor, or Caecilian, who was being condemned by the emperor while he persecuted him? Where now is that defining rule of theirs, that the communion of Donatus is the church of truth, which suffers persecution, not that which inflicts it? See, Caecilian suffers, Donatus inflicts: which of them is the man of martyr’s glory?
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Notes and citation
Summary: By boasting that Donatus of Carthage had Caecilian condemned by the emperor, the Donatists make their hero the persecutor and refute their own claim to be the church that suffers persecution.
- The Donatist claims (Primian’s words; “the church … which suffers persecution, not that which inflicts it”; Donatus as “a man of martyr’s glory”) are quoted as theirs. The editor deletes “per suos” after “scriptis suis”.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (line-break debris in the digital text; period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence): ex- „ pressa → expressa; patitur. non quae facit → patitur, non quae facit; conuicimus. qui → conuicimus, qui.
Topics: Persecution, Martyrdom
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 20 (CSEL 53:118–119; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/20
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Chapter 21
21CSEL 53:119–120
Adtendite, aduertite, nolite in errorem perniciosum adhuc usque seduci. ueritatem, quae uobis occultabatur, deus aperire dignatus est, falsitatem, quae uobis offundebatur, deus confutare dignatus est; tanto eius beneficio quare adhuc estis ingrati? hoc est nempe, quod uobis saepe dicebant, unde cordis uestri oculos astuta fallacia caligabant, et adhuc etiam conuicti inde se iactant, inde nos lacerant, quia nos facimus persecutionem, ipsi patiuntur. hoc eis remansit omni ex parte superatis, unde adhuc nebulas faciant imperitis, hinc se quasi ostendentes esse ecclesiam ueritatis, quia persecutionem patitur, non facit. non uos ergo adhuc fallant; hoc eis facimus, quod maiores suos et ipsum quem praedicant uelut martyralis gloriae uirum Caeciliano fecisse gloriantur. hoc egit ille apud imperatorem, conuictus Caecilianus ut illius iudicio damnaretur: hoc et nos egimus, ut isti conuicti similia paterentur. si male fecit, quare hoc illi Donatus faciebat? si autem recte fecit, quare hoc catholica parti Donati non faciat? immo recte fieri nec illi dubitant, qui hoc maiores suos, quos multum laudant, fecisse gloriantur, nec nos dubitamus, qui hoc eis esse faciendum negare non possumus, ut sine effusione sanguinis, qui uerbis non emendantur, aliqua mitissima poena legum corripiantur inquieti; et si forte imperator permotus mentis sacrilegae pertinaciam grauiore supplicio statuit esse plectendam, mitius agant iudices, quibus semper licuit lenire atque emollire sententiam. interim ergo, quamuis non possit ostendi Caecilianum ab imperatore Constantino esse damnatum, a uobis tamen error ille sublatus est, quo putabatis eam esse ueram ecclesiam quae persecutionem patitur, non quae facit; fecit enim Donatus, passus est Caecilianus. et si persecutionem patitur pars Donati, patitur cum illa etiam pars Maximiani, quam et ipsi Christi ecclesiam non esse confirmant. ac per hoc et facere persecutionem non est iniquitatis indicium, quia et boni faciunt malis et mali bonis, et pati persecutionem non est iustitiae documentum, quia eam non soli boni pro pietate, sed (et) mali pro iniquitate patiuntur.
Pay attention, take notice, do not let yourselves be led any longer into a ruinous error. The truth that was hidden from you God has deigned to reveal; the falsehood that was spread over you God has deigned to refute: why are you still ungrateful for so great a kindness? This, surely, is what they often told you, by which their cunning deceit clouded the eyes of your heart, and even now, though convicted, they boast of it and tear us with it: that we inflict persecution and they suffer it. This is what remains to them, beaten on every side, with which to make fogs still for the unlearned, showing from this, as it were, that they are the church of truth, because it suffers persecution and does not inflict it. So do not let them deceive you any longer; we do to them what they boast that their forebears, and the very man they praise as a man of martyr’s glory, did to Caecilian. He acted before the emperor so that Caecilian, convicted, would be condemned by his judgment; we too have acted so that these men, convicted, would suffer similar things. If he did wrong, why did Donatus do this to him? But if he did right, why should the Catholic Church not do this to the party of Donatus? Indeed, neither do they doubt that it is done rightly, who boast that their forebears, whom they praise greatly, did it; nor do we doubt it, who cannot deny that this must be done to them: that those who are not amended by words, being restless, should be corrected without the shedding of blood by some very mild penalty of the laws; and if perhaps the emperor, moved by the stubbornness of a sacrilegious mind, has decreed that it be punished with a heavier penalty, let the judges act more mildly, who have always been permitted to soften and lighten a sentence. Meanwhile, then, although it cannot be shown that Caecilian was condemned by the emperor Constantine, that error has been taken away from you by which you thought that the true church is the one which suffers persecution, not that which inflicts it; for Donatus inflicted it, Caecilian suffered it. And if the party of Donatus suffers persecution, the party of Maximian suffers with it too, which they themselves affirm is not the church of Christ. And so to inflict persecution is not a sign of iniquity, since the good do it to the bad and the bad to the good; and to suffer persecution is not a proof of righteousness, since not only the good suffer it for piety, but the bad too for iniquity.
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine argues that suffering persecution does not prove a church true; he defends mild legal coercion of Donatists without bloodshed and asks judges to soften harsh penalties.
- Augustine’s defense of coercion of the Donatists by imperial law, with his plea that no blood be shed and that judges mitigate sentences, is translated as written. The editor’s addition “(et)” is translated.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray punctuation): falsitatem. quae → falsitatem, quae; facimus., quod → facimus, quod; dubitant. qui → dubitant, qui; Maximiani. quam → Maximiani, quam.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 21 (CSEL 53:119–120; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 22
22CSEL 53:120–121
Restat ergo uobis errore depulso ecclesiam Christi uidere ac tenere catholicam, non ut inde eam eligatis, quia persecutionem patitur. cum enim dixisset dominus: beati qui persecutionem patiuntur, ne inde se iactent haeretici, addidit: propter iustitiam. nam quanta mala nostris fecerint furiosissimi clerici et circumcelliones partis Donati, nostis et uos. incensae sunt ecclesiae, missi in flammas codices sancti, incensae etiam priuatae domus, rapti homines de sedibus suis, et omnibus quae inerant ablatis aut perditis ipsi caesi laniati excaecati. nec ab homicidio potuit temperari, quamuis sit mitius huic luci morientem quam istam lucem auferre uiuenti. uentum est ad homines, non ut retenti aliquo ducerentur, sed tantum ut ista paterentur. nec tamen nostros ideo iustificamus, quia ista perpessi sunt, sed quia pro christiana ueritate, pro Christi pace, pro ecclesiae unitate perpessi sunt. illi autem sub tam multis, sub tam seueris legibus et sub tanta ecclesiae catholicae quam dominus ei tribuit potestate quid tale patiuntur? si quando enim morte multantur, aut ipsi se occidunt aut eorum cruentae uiolentiae dum resistitur occiduntur, non pro communione partis Donati nec pro errore sacrilegi schismatis, sed pro apertissimis facinoribus et sceleribus suis, quae more latronum inmani furore et crudelitate committunt. pro parte autem Donati uix aliquid tale patiuntur, quale Caecilianum Donato instante passum esse dixerunt.
It remains for you, then, with error driven away, to see and hold the Catholic Church of Christ, not choosing it because it suffers persecution. For when the Lord had said, “Blessed are those who suffer persecution,” so that heretics would not boast of this, he added, “for righteousness’ sake.” For you too know what great evils the most furious clerics and circumcellions of the party of Donatus have done to our people. Churches were burned, holy books thrown into the flames, private houses burned too, people dragged from their homes, and, everything in them carried off or destroyed, they themselves beaten, mangled, blinded. Nor could they refrain from murder, although it is milder to take a dying man from this light than to take this light from a living man. They went for the people themselves, not to hold them and lead them off somewhere, but only to make them suffer these things. Yet we do not justify our people because they suffered these things, but because they suffered them for Christian truth, for the peace of Christ, for the unity of the church. But what of the kind do they suffer, under so many and such severe laws and under so great a power of the Catholic Church as the Lord has given it? For if they are ever punished with death, either they kill themselves or they are killed while their bloody violence is being resisted, not for the communion of the party of Donatus nor for the error of a sacrilegious schism, but for their most open crimes and wickedness, which they commit with monstrous fury and cruelty after the manner of robbers. For the party of Donatus they hardly suffer anything like what they said Caecilian suffered at the insistence of Donatus.
Matt 5:10 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Persecution endured counts only if it is for righteousness; Augustine lists Donatist violence against Catholics and says Donatists who die do so by suicide or in violent attacks.
- Augustine’s description of the Donatists and circumcellions is translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray dash in the digital text): eligatis. quia → eligatis, quia; potuit - temperari → potuit temperari; homines. non ut → homines, non ut; iustificamus. quia → iustificamus, quia; multis. sub → multis, sub.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 22 (CSEL 53:120–121; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 23
23CSEL 53:121–122
Aut ergo persecutio non omnis iniusta est aut non est persecutio dicenda cum iusta est. quapropter aut persecutionem pars Donati patitur iustam aut persecutionem non patitur, quia patitur iuste. non autem iuste passus est Caecilianus, quia innocens probatus et absolutus est. quod quidem illi negauerunt et potius ab imperatore damnatum esse dixerunt, et ideo maiores suos maximeque Donatum a se tanta praedicatione laudatum Caeciliano persecutionem fecisse confessi sunt. illum autem conuictum atque damnatum probare minime potuerunt, immo etiam, quod nos dicebamus, eum esse absolutum atque purgatum ipsi quoque multa contra se ipsos legendo firmarunt. et tamen liberum arbitrium sibi ab imperatore concessum esse iactant. uicti atque confusi id sibi etiam nunc flagitabant debere concedi, quod maiores eorum Caeciliano non concedebant, quem sic apud imperatorem accusarunt, quem illis accusantibus ab imperatore damnatum isti etiam mentiri uoluerunt. si uoluntas libera unicuique tribuenda est, Caeciliano prius tribueretur; si haec non homini iudici permittenda, sed deo potius dimittenda sunt, Caecilianus apud imperatorem prius non accusaretur.
So either not all persecution is unjust, or it should not be called persecution when it is just. Therefore either the party of Donatus suffers a just persecution, or it does not suffer persecution, because it suffers justly. But Caecilian did not suffer justly, since he was proved innocent and acquitted. They indeed denied this and said rather that he had been condemned by the emperor, and so confessed that their forebears, and above all Donatus, whom they praise so highly, persecuted Caecilian. But they could by no means prove that he had been convicted and condemned; on the contrary, by reading many things against themselves they too confirmed what we said, that he had been acquitted and cleared. And yet they boast that free choice was granted them by the emperor. Defeated and confounded, they even now demanded that what their forebears did not grant Caecilian should be granted to them, whom they so accused before the emperor, and whom these men even wished to claim falsely had been condemned by the emperor on their accusation. If free will is to be granted to everyone, it should have been granted first to Caecilian; if these things are not to be committed to a human judge but rather left to God, Caecilian should not first have been accused before the emperor.
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Summary: Either persecution can be just or just punishment is not persecution; the Donatists who first appealed to the emperor cannot now demand freedom of choice.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 23 (CSEL 53:121–122; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 24
24CSEL 53:122–123
Expergiscimini aliquando; non uos tartareus obliget somnus, non in profundum sacrilegi erroris adhuc impia consuetudo demergat; iam consonate paci, cohaerete unitati, adquiescite caritati, cedite ueritati; ecclesiam catholicam incipientem ab Hierusalem cognoscite usque quaque diffundi, cui non communicat pars Donati, cui causa non praeiudicat Caeciliani. totiens enim purgatus, totiens absolutus etiamsi non esset innocens, nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae. haec uerba per orbem terrae uniuersa personat ecclesia, clamat etiam membrum eius in Africa: testimonium dei noui, negotium Caeciliani non noui; credo innocentem a uestris maioribus insectatum quem lego totiens absolutum, sed qualiscumque sit causa eius, causae meae nihil praeiudicat, qualiscumque sit persona eius, personae meae nihil praeiudicat. uos hoc dixistis, uos ad hoc suscripsistis: nec causa causae nec persona personae. ecce dominus dicit: per omnes gentes, incipientibus Hierusalem; diuinam ueritatem in una ecclesia teneamus et humanas lites aliquando finiamus.
Wake up at last; let not a hellish sleep bind you, let not impious habit plunge you still into the depths of sacrilegious error. Now agree with peace, cleave to unity, rest in love, yield to truth; recognize the Catholic Church, beginning from Jerusalem, spread everywhere, with which the party of Donatus is not in communion, and which the case of Caecilian does not prejudice. For, cleared so many times, acquitted so many times, even if he were not innocent, neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person. These words the whole church sounds through the world; its member in Africa also cries out: “I know God’s testimony; I do not know Caecilian’s business. I believe him innocent, harassed by your forebears, since I read so many times that he was acquitted; but whatever his case may be, it does not prejudice my case at all; whatever his person may be, it does not prejudice my person at all. You said this, you signed this: neither does one case prejudice another nor one person another.” See, the Lord says: “Through all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.” Let us hold the divine truth in one church and at last put an end to human quarrels.
Luke 24:47 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine urges the Donatists to wake and join the worldwide church, which Caecilian’s case cannot touch.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Greek omicron in a Latin word (OCR)): absόlutum → absolutum.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 24 (CSEL 53:122–123; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 25
25CSEL 53:123–125
Numquid enim uerba ista, ubi dixerunt nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae, ullo modo post ipsam conlationem defendere potuerunt ac non potius se multo perplexius implicarunt? sic namque in quibusdam scriptis suis locuti sunt: causam causae et personam non praeiudicare personae a nobis, inquiunt, dictum esse memoriter recensitum est, sed ad locum: (nobis non praeiudicari ab his qui a nobis uel reiecti sunt uel damnati'). hi autem, qui ex Caeciliani ordinatione descendunt, quos de praecessore origo numerat ad reatum, quemadmodum non possint ordinatoris sui criminibus obligari, cum per seriem protensus peccatorum funis, quoscumque communionis uinxerit uinculo, necesse est ut consortes faciat esse peccati? o mira defensio! tam densum et artum est lutum ubi eis adhaeserunt pedes, ut eos euellere conantes frustra et manus et caput figant et in eodem luto haesitantes artius inuoluantur. ex eis enim, quos uel reiecisse se uel damnasse commemorant, hoc est ex Maximianistis, secum habent Felicianum et damnatorem Primiani et a se damnatum in causa Primiani. quid est quod funem tam longum a Caeciliano usque ad haec tempora catholicae ecclesiae implicare contendunt et catenam suam tam in proximo non attendunt? praeclara quippe illa Bagaitana sententia de Maximiano et sociis eius: trahit, inquit, ad consortium criminis plurimos catena sacrilegii. Felicianus ergo ista catena trahebatur: si illis non praeiudicat Felicianus, quare nobis Caecilianus? an forte ubi uolunt praeiudicat, ubi autem nolunt causae non praeiudicat causa et pro libidine ipsorum fortior est funis antiquus quam noua catena? non praeiudicat Maximianus Feliciano a quo damnatus est, non praeiudicat Maximianus et Felicianus Primiano a quibus damnatus est, non praeiudicat Maximianus eis qui dilationem acceperunt, quibus in uno schismate sociatus est, non praeiudicat Felicianus parti Donati, a qua in eodem honore susceptus est nec baptismus quem in sacrilego schismate dedit ibi destructus est: et praeiudicat Caecilianus tot christianis gentibus, qui semel damnatus est absens quomodo Primianus et ter absolutus est praesens quomodo non Primianus. praeiudicat nobis olim defunctus ignotus: et istis non praeiudicat uiuus a quibus legitur paulo ante damnatus et quibus cernitur modo sociatus. nobis inuoluitur funis Caeciliani a quibus ignoratur: et illis non inuoluitur catena Feliciani quorum in eum sententia recitatur, ubi ipsa catena damnatur. illis licet dicere: suscepimus quos damnauimus pro pace Donati, quia nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae: et nobis non licet dicere: propter eos quos damnastis non deserimus pacem Christi, Quia nec causa causae praeiudicat nec persona personae). o ferream frontem, o furoris tenebras, nocturnam sententiam iudici obicientes et in sui cordis nocte palpantes offendentes cadentes, contra nos rabide litigantes et pro nobis tanta dicentes!
Could they in any way defend those words, in which they said that neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person, after the conference itself, and did they not rather entangle themselves much more intricately? For in some of their writings they spoke thus: “That we said ‘one case does not prejudice another case, nor one person another person’ was rehearsed from memory, but in the sense: ‘we are not prejudiced by those who have been either rejected or condemned by us.’ But how could those who descend from Caecilian’s ordination, whom their origin from their predecessor counts into guilt, not be bound by the crimes of their ordainer, since the rope of sins, stretched through the series, must make sharers in sin all whom it has bound with the bond of communion?” What a wonderful defense! So thick and tight is the mud in which their feet have stuck that, trying to pull them out, they plant their hands and head in it in vain and, sticking in the same mud, are wrapped in it more tightly. For of those whom they mention as either rejected or condemned by them, that is, of the Maximianists, they have with them Felician, both a condemner of Primian and one condemned by them in Primian’s case. Why is it that they strive to entangle the Catholic Church with so long a rope from Caecilian down to these times, and do not notice their own chain so near at hand? For that famous sentence of Bagai about Maximian and his associates says: “The chain of sacrilege drags very many into partnership in the crime.” So Felician was dragged by that chain: if Felician does not prejudice them, why does Caecilian prejudice us? Or perhaps one case prejudices another where they wish, but where they do not wish it does not, and at their pleasure an old rope is stronger than a new chain? Maximian does not prejudice Felician, by whom he was condemned; Maximian and Felician do not prejudice Primian, by whom they were condemned; Maximian does not prejudice those who received a period of grace, with whom he was associated in one schism; Felician does not prejudice the party of Donatus, by which he was received in the same rank, and the baptism he gave in a sacrilegious schism was not destroyed there: and Caecilian prejudices so many Christian nations, who was once condemned in his absence, as Primian was, and three times acquitted in his presence, as Primian was not. One long dead and unknown prejudices us: and one living, whom they are read to have condemned a little while ago and with whom they are seen to be associated now, does not prejudice them. The rope of Caecilian is wound around us, by whom he is unknown: and the chain of Felician is not wound around them, whose sentence against him is read, in which that very chain is condemned. They may say: “We received those whom we condemned for the peace of Donatus, because neither does one case prejudice another nor one person another”; and we may not say: “Because of those whom you condemned we do not desert the peace of Christ, because neither does one case prejudice another nor one person another.” O brow of iron, O darkness of madness, charging the judge with a night sentence while groping, stumbling, and falling in the night of their own heart, quarrelling rabidly against us and saying so much for us!
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatists’ later gloss on their admission, that guilt passes down a “rope” of ordinations, is turned against them by their own reception of the Maximianist Felician.
- The Donatist writing quoted and the sentence of the council of Bagai (394) against Maximian are Donatist statements, quoted as such.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR debris in the digital text; period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray period inside a word): necesse e, Jt ut → necesse est ut; acceperunt. quibus → acceperunt, quibus; sen.tentia → sententia.
Topics: Baptism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 25 (CSEL 53:123–125; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 26
26CSEL 53:125
Insuper adhuc etiam modo commemorare audent prophetica et apostolica testimonia, quibus nos uniuersaliter in illa conlatione respondimus, ostendentes ipsos prophetas sanctos cum iniquis in uno templo, sub eisdem sacerdotibus, inter eadem sacramenta uersatos nec tamen a malis fuisse pollutos, quia nouerant inter sanctum et inmundum non, sicut isti sentiunt, corporaliter populum diuidendo, sed bene iudicando et bene uiuendo discernere. et hoc sine intermissione faciebant, ut in illa domo magna, ubi erant, sicut dicit apostolus, alia uasa in honorem, alia in contumeliam, se ipsos a talibus morum diuersitate mundarent et essent uasa in honorem, utilia domino, ad omne opus bonum semper parata. sed bene quod ipsi ex multis testimoniis, quae litteris suis non intellegentes inseruerunt, quas in conlatione protulerunt et legerunt, tamquam praecipuum de Aggaeo propheta testimonium modo post conlationem uicti commemorarunt. in isto ergo propheta multo euidentius quod uolumus demonstramus, quia non corporalis, sed spiritalis contactus, qui fit per consensionem, ipse polluit homines, quorum causam unam facit ipsa consensio.
Moreover, they even now dare to cite prophetic and apostolic testimonies, to which we answered comprehensively at that conference, showing that the holy prophets themselves lived with the wicked in one temple, under the same priests, amid the same sacraments, and yet were not polluted by the bad, because they knew how to distinguish between the holy and the unclean, not, as these men think, by dividing the people bodily, but by judging well and living well. And this they did without ceasing, so that in that great house in which they were, where, as the apostle says, there are some vessels for honor and some for dishonor, they cleansed themselves from such people by difference of conduct and were vessels for honor, useful to the Lord, always ready for every good work. But it is well that, of the many testimonies which, not understanding them, they inserted in their letter, which they brought forward and read at the conference, they have now, defeated after the conference, cited as a principal testimony the one from the prophet Haggai. For in this prophet we demonstrate much more evidently what we want: that not bodily but spiritual contact, which comes about through consent, is what pollutes people, whose case consent itself makes one.
2 Tim 2:20–21 (allusion, high confidence) · Hag 2:11–14 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The prophets lived among the wicked without pollution, separating by conduct, as vessels for honor in a great house; Haggai shows that consent, not contact, pollutes.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray dashes and period in the digital text): apostolus-. alia uasa in -honorem → apostolus, alia uasa in honorem; contumeliam. se ipsos → contumeliam, se ipsos.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 26 (CSEL 53:125; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 27
27CSEL 53:125–127
Nam quando impios dominus etiam uisibili poena perdere uoluit, ipse ab eis iustos admonitione separauit, sicut Noe cum domo sua ab eis, quos diluuio fuerat perditurus, sicut Loth ab eis, quos igne fuerat consumpturus, sicut populum suum a synagoga Abiron, quam mox fuerat extincturus. ideo et illum, qui non habebat uestem nuptialem, non illi qui inuitauerant, sed ipse dominus cuius erat conuiuium ligari iussit et proici. neque enim et ipse sicut piscis sub fluctibus erat et sic ab inuitatoribus quomodo (piscis) a piscatoribus uideri non poterat. proinde ne putaretur, sicut isti putant, quod uelut unus in turba latenter subrepsisset ignaris, continuo dominus in eodem ipso uno, quem ligatis manibus et pedibus in tenebras exteriores ex illo conuiuio proici iussit, multam societatem malorum esse intellegendam, inter quos pauciores boni in conuiuio dominico uiuunt, significare non distulit. nam posteaquam dixit: ligate illi manus et pedes et proicite eum in tenebras exteriores; ibi erit fletus et stridor dentium, continuo subiunxit: multi enim sunt uocati, pauci uero electi. quomodo hoc uerum est, cum potius unus e multis fuisset proiectus in tenebras exteriores, nisi quia in illo uno grande corpus figurabatur omnium malorum ante domini iudicium conuiuio dominico permixtorum? a quibus se boni corde interim ac moribus separant, simul manducantes et bibentes corpus et sanguinem domini, sed cum magna distinctione, quia isti in honore sponsi induti sunt ueste nuptiali, non sua quaerentes, sed quae Iesu Christi, illi autem non habent uestem nuptialem, hoc est fidissimam sponsi caritatem, sua quaerentes, non quae Iesu Christi. ac per hoc quamuis in uno eodemque conuiuio isti misericordiam manducant, illi iudicium, quia ipsius conuiuii canticum est quod et supra commemoraui: misericordiam et iudicium cantabo tibi, domine.
For when the Lord wished to destroy the impious even by a visible punishment, he himself separated the righteous from them by a warning: as Noah with his house from those whom he was about to destroy by the flood, as Lot from those whom he was about to consume by fire, as his people from the congregation of Abiram, which he was soon to wipe out. So too the man who had no wedding garment was ordered bound and thrown out, not by those who had invited him, but by the Lord himself whose feast it was. For he was not, like a fish, under the waves, so that he could not be seen by the inviters as a fish cannot be seen by the fishermen. Accordingly, so that it would not be thought, as these men think, that he was one man who had crept in secretly in the crowd unnoticed, the Lord did not delay to signify at once that in that same one man, whom he ordered thrown out of the feast with hands and feet bound into the outer darkness, a great fellowship of the bad is to be understood, among whom the fewer good live at the Lord’s feast. For after he said, “Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth,” he at once added, “For many are called, but few are chosen.” How is this true, when rather one out of many had been thrown into the outer darkness, unless because in that one man was figured the great body of all the bad mixed in the Lord’s feast before the Lord’s judgment? From them the good meanwhile separate themselves in heart and conduct, eating and drinking the body and blood of the Lord together with them, but with a great distinction: for these, in honor of the bridegroom, are clothed with the wedding garment, not seeking their own things but those of Jesus Christ; but those do not have the wedding garment, that is, the most faithful love of the bridegroom, seeking their own things, not those of Jesus Christ. And so, though at one and the same feast, these eat mercy, those judgment; since the song of that feast is what I recalled above: “I will sing of mercy and judgment to you, O Lord.”
Gen 7:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 19:12–17 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 16:23–27 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:11–14 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 101:1 (100:1 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God himself separates the wicked visibly at his judgment; the guest without a wedding garment stands for the many bad who share the Lord’s table now with the few good.
- The editor’s addition “(piscis)” is translated.
Topics: Eucharist, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 27 (CSEL 53:125–127; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/27
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
Chapter 28
28CSEL 53:127
Nec ideo tamen dormit ecclesiastica disciplina, ut corripiat inquietos. neque enim a populo dei separamus, quos uel degradando uel excommunicando ad humiliorem paenitendi locum redigimus. et ubi hoc facere pacis et tranquillitatis ecclesiae gratia non permittimur, non tamen ideo ecclesiae disciplinam refutamus, sed toleramus quae nolumus, ut perueniamus quo uolumus, utentes cautela praecepti dominici, ne, cum uolumus ante tempora colligere zizania, simul eradicemus et triticum. utentes etiam exemplo et praecepto beati Cypriani, qui collegas suos faeneratores fraudatores raptores pacis contemplatione pertulit tales nec eorum contagione factus est talis. unde et nos, si triticum sumus, eiusdem beati martyris uerba fidentissime dicimus, quia, etsi uidentur in ecclesia esse zizania, non tamen inpediri debet aut fides aut caritas nostra, ut quoniam zizania in ecclesia cernimus ipsi de ecclesia recedamus. haec uerba iustissime ac piissime dicerent maiores nostri, etiamsi Caecilianum et aliquos coepiscopos eius malos uiderent, quos tamen ab ecclesia separare non possent propter illos, quibus mali demonstrari non poterant et eos bonos innocentes putabant. haec uerba omnino dicerent, hoc omnino sentirent, ne, cum uellent temere zizania separare, simul et triticum eradicarent.
Yet church discipline does not therefore sleep, so as not to correct the restless. For we do not separate from the people of God those whom we reduce, by degrading or excommunicating them, to the humbler place of penance. And where we are not permitted to do this for the sake of the peace and tranquillity of the church, we do not therefore reject the discipline of the church, but we tolerate what we do not want in order to come to what we want, using the caution of the Lord’s command, lest, when we wish to gather the weeds before the time, we root up the wheat with them. We use also the example and precept of the blessed Cyprian, who for the sake of peace bore with colleagues of his who were usurers, swindlers, and robbers, and was not made such by their contagion. Hence we too, if we are wheat, say most confidently the words of the same blessed martyr: “Even if there seem to be weeds in the church, our faith or our love ought not to be hindered, so that, because we see that there are weeds in the church, we ourselves should withdraw from the church.” Our forebears would have said these words most justly and piously, even if they had seen that Caecilian and some of his fellow bishops were bad, whom they still could not separate from the church because of those to whom they could not be shown to be bad and who thought them good and innocent. These words they would by all means have said, this they would by all means have held, lest, wishing rashly to separate the weeds, they should root up the wheat as well.
Matt 13:29–30 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Discipline continues through degradation and excommunication, but where it cannot be applied without breaking peace the church tolerates the bad, as Cyprian did.
- Cyprian on bad colleagues: On the Lapsed 6; the quotation is Letter 54.3.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray letter in the digital text): inpevdiri → inpediri; maiores nostri. etiamsi → maiores nostri, etiamsi.
Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Laps. 6 (On the Lapsed; allusion); Cyprian, Ep. 54.3 (Letters; quotation)
Topics: Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 28 (CSEL 53:127; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/28
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
Chapter 29
29CSEL 53:127–128
Quod ergo iussus est quidam propheta nec panem manducare nec aquam bibere in Samaria, quo missus fuerat, ut corriperet eos, qui uaccas constituerant adorandas more idolorum Aegyptiorum, hoc omnino facere debuit quod praeceperat dominus, cui tunc eo modo illos corripere placuit, ut nihil ibi alimentorum tangeret propheta quem miserat. neque enim in ecclesia non fit cotidie, quando [eos], quos acrius corripimus, etiamsi in eorum possessione sumus, nihil cibi apud eos contingimus, ut sentiant quantum eorum peccata doleamus. numquid tamen ideo etiam plebis discissio facienda est, ut sicut mollis herba indiscrete eradicentur infirmi, qui de cordibus hominum et ignotis factis, etiamsi nobis sint cognita, iudicare non possunt? nam in ipsa Samaria et Helias et Helisaeus erant, etsi ipsi in solitudine, non tamen deuiantes sacramentorum causa, sed quia persecutionem ab impiis regibus patiebantur. nam illic erant, non utique in solitudine separata, quae ipse ignorabat Helias, septem milia uirorum qui non curuauerunt genua ante Bahal. denique inter praecipuos sanctus habitus Samuhel et grauiter Saulem corripuit et cum eo tamen ad offerendum domino sacrificium sine excusatione perrexit nec peccatorum eius contagione pollutus est, sed omnino mundus meritorum suorum conseruatione permansit.
As for the prophet who was ordered neither to eat bread nor to drink water in Samaria, where he had been sent to rebuke those who had set up calves to be worshiped after the manner of the idols of the Egyptians: he certainly had to do what the Lord had commanded, whom it pleased then to rebuke them in this way, that the prophet he had sent should touch no food there. Nor is this not done daily in the church, when, toward those whom we rebuke more sharply, even if we are on their property, we touch no food in their house, so that they may feel how much we grieve over their sins. But must the congregation therefore be split as well, so that the weak, who cannot judge of people’s hearts and of unknown deeds, even if they are known to us, should be rooted up indiscriminately like soft grass? For in Samaria itself were both Elijah and Elisha, even if they were in the wilderness, not however going astray on account of the sacraments, but because they were suffering persecution from impious kings. For there, and certainly not in a separated wilderness, were the seven thousand men, of whom Elijah himself did not know, who had not bowed the knee before Baal. Finally Samuel, held a saint among the foremost, both rebuked Saul severely and yet went with him without excuse to offer sacrifice to the Lord, and was not polluted by the contagion of his sins, but remained wholly clean by keeping his own merits.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
1 Kgs 13:8–9 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Kgs 12:28–29 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Kgs 19:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:4 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Sam 15:30–31 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The prophet’s fast in Bethel was a special command; Elijah, the seven thousand, and Samuel with Saul show that the righteous were not defiled by living among the wicked.
- The prophet forbidden to eat is the man of God in 1 Kgs 13:7–9 (sent to Bethel; Augustine says Samaria). The editor deletes “eos” after “quando”.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text): perrexit > → perrexit.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 29 (CSEL 53:127–128; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/29
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Chapter 30
30CSEL 53:128–130
Sed istam nobis quaestionem, quamuis euidenter et in conlatione et modo soluta sit, euidentius tamen soluat Aggaeus, cuius testimonium prae ceteris legerunt, ut solum adhuc pro omnibus iactent. arguit dominus per Aggaeum prophetam populum ex Babylonia residuum, ubi captiuus tenebatur, quod domum domini neglegerent et suas domos excolerent, et dicit propterea se plaga sterilitatis eorum percussisse regionem. tunc Zorobabel filius Salathiel et Iesus filius Iosedec sacerdos magnus et omnis ille populus diuinitus inspiratus operari coepit in domo domini dei sui. sic enim eadem scriptura dicit: et suscitauit dominus spiritum Zorobabel filii Salathiel ex tribu Iuda, et spiritum Iesu filii Iosedec sacerdotis magni, et spiritum residuorum omnis populi, et introierunt et faciebant opera in domo domini omnipotentis dei sui, quarta et uicensima mensis sexti, secundo anno sub Dario rege. ecce et dies definitus est, quando intrauerunt ad operandum in domo dei. credo quod illi uiri et ille populus operans in domo dei non erat inmundus, praesertim quia dixerat ei dominus: ego uobiscum et suscitauerat spiritum eorum ad bene operandum in domo sua. denique uidete quid sequitur. contexit enim eadem scriptura et dicit: septimo mense, una et uicensima mensis, locutus est dominus in manu Aggaei prophetae dicens ad Zorobabel filium Salathiel ex tribu Iuda, et ad Iesum filium Iosedec sacerdotem magnum, et ad omnem populum residuum dicens: quis ex uobis qui uidit domum hanc in claritate illa sua pristina? et quomodo uidetis eam modo, tamquam non sit in conspectu uestro? et nunc praeuale, Zorobabel, dicit dominus, et praeuale, Iesus fili Iosedec sacerdos magne, et praeualesce, omnis popule terrae, dicit dominus omnipotens, et spiritus meus praeest in medio uestrum. bono animo estote, quoniam haec dicit omnipotens: adhuc semel, commouebo caelum et terram, mare et aridam, et concutiam omnes gentes, et uenient omnia electa gentium, et implebo domum hanc, dicit dominus omnipotens, et cetera quae addit etiam futura prophetans; quae de domini nostri Iesu Christi temporibus rectius intellegi solent, cuius populus uerissimum et sanctissimum est templum dei, non etiam in eis, qui permixti tolerantur, sed in eis solis, qui nunc interim a talibus bene uiuendo spiritaliter separantur, post uero etiam corporaliter separandi sunt. uerumtamen ille populus, cui prophetia ista praenuntiata est et qui tunc operabatur in domo dei, ubi erant et illi duo, Zorobabel filius Salathiel et Iesus filius Iosedec, quomodo sit exhortatus et commendatus a domino, satis in promptu est uidere in his uerbis prophetae, quae sicut dicta sunt inseruimus. numquidnam ergo istum populum inmundum possumus dicere, ad quem si quis accesserit inquinabitur, cui populo dicitur: et nunc praeuale, Zorobabel, dicit dominus, et praeuale, Iesus filius Iosedec sacerdos magne, et praeualesce, omnis popule terrae, dicit dominus omnipotens, et spiritus meus praeest in medio uestrum? quis dementissimus dixerit istum esse populum, ad quem si quis accesserit inquinabitur?
But let Haggai, whose testimony they read above the rest so that they still boast of it alone in place of all, settle this question for us even more clearly, though it was clearly settled both at the conference and now. Through the prophet Haggai the Lord rebukes the people left over from Babylon, where they had been held captive, because they neglected the house of the Lord and adorned their own houses; and he says that for this reason he struck their land with the plague of barrenness. Then Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua son of Jozadak the high priest, and all that people, divinely inspired, began to work on the house of the Lord their God. For so the same Scripture says: “And the Lord stirred up the spirit of Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel of the tribe of Judah, and the spirit of Jeshua son of Jozadak the high priest, and the spirit of the remnant of all the people; and they came in and did work on the house of the Lord almighty, their God, on the twenty-fourth of the sixth month, in the second year under King Darius.” See, the day too is fixed when they came in to work on the house of God. I believe that those men and that people working on the house of God were not unclean, especially since the Lord had said to them, “I am with you,” and had stirred up their spirit to work well on his house. Finally, see what follows. For the same Scripture continues and says: “In the seventh month, on the twenty-first of the month, the Lord spoke by the hand of the prophet Haggai, saying to Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel of the tribe of Judah, and to Jeshua son of Jozadak the high priest, and to all the remnant of the people, saying: Who among you saw this house in that former glory of its own? And how do you see it now, as though it were not in your sight? And now be strong, Zerubbabel, says the Lord; and be strong, Jeshua son of Jozadak, high priest; and be strong, all people of the land, says the Lord almighty; and my Spirit presides in your midst. Be of good courage, for thus says the Almighty: Yet once more I will shake heaven and earth, the sea and the dry land, and I will shake all the nations, and all the choice things of the nations will come, and I will fill this house, says the Lord almighty”; and the other things which he adds, prophesying also things to come, which are more rightly understood of the times of our Lord Jesus Christ, whose people is the truest and holiest temple of God: not in those too who are tolerated while mixed in, but in those alone who now meanwhile are separated spiritually from such by living well, and later will be separated bodily as well. Yet how that people to whom this prophecy was announced, and which was then working on the house of God, where those two also were, Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Jeshua son of Jozadak, was exhorted and commended by the Lord is readily seen in these words of the prophet, which we have inserted just as they were spoken. Can we, then, call this people unclean, which anyone who approaches will be defiled, a people to whom it is said: “And now be strong, Zerubbabel, says the Lord; and be strong, Jeshua son of Jozadak, high priest; and be strong, all people of the land, says the Lord almighty; and my Spirit presides in your midst”? Who would be so utterly mad as to say that this is the people which anyone who approaches will be defiled?
Hag 1:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Hag 1:10–11 (allusion, high confidence) · Hag 1:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Hag 1:14–15 (quotation, high confidence) · Hag 2:1–7 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Haggai shows the restored people stirred by God and commended (“my Spirit is in your midst”), so they cannot be the people whose touch defiles.
- Haggai is quoted from the Old Latin (from the Septuagint).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (b for h); period for comma in the digital text; words run together in the digital text): septimo mense. una → septimo mense, una; Aggaeiprophetae → Aggaei prophetae; adZorobabel → ad Zorobabel; etpraeuale → et praeuale; in bis uerbis → in his uerbis.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Don. 30 (CSEL 53:128–130; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-post-collationem/30
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.