Against the Letters of Petilian 2.51–2.75
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra litteras Petiliani (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 2
2.51CSEL 52:49–50
Petilianus dixit: Quodsi nos bis baptismum facere dicitis, immo uos facitis qui occiditis baptixatos. non, quia baptixatis, hoc dicimus, sed quia unumquemque, dum occiditis, sanguine suo facitis baptizari. etenim baptismum aquae uel spiritus extorto sanguine martyris quasi factum est geminum. sic [autem] ipse namque saluator baptizatus primitus a Iohanne baptixandum sese professus est iterum non iam aqua nec spiritu, sed sanguinis baptismo cruce passionis, sicut scriptum est: accesserunt ad eum duo discipuli filii Zebedaei dicentes: domine, cum ueneris in regnum tuum, fac nos sedere unum ad dexteram tuam et alterum ad sinistram. respondit eis Iesus: difficilem rem petitis. numquid calicem quem ego bibiturus sum potestis bibere et baptismum quod ego baptizor baptizor? dixerunt illi: possumus. et ait illis: calicem quidem quem ego bibiturus sum bibere potestis et baptismum quod ego baptizor baptizabimini, et cetera. si haec duo sunt baptismata, uestra nos laudatis inuidia, profitemur. cum enim nostra corpora occiditis, non m s baptismum facimus, sed baptismo nostro et sanguine baptixamur ut Christus. erubescite erubescite, persecutores: similes Christo martyres facitis quos post aquam ueri baptismatis sanguis baptista perfundit.
Petilian said: “But if you say that we make baptism twice, it is rather you who do so, you who kill the baptized. We do not say this because you baptize, but because, in killing each one, you cause him to be baptized in his own blood. For when the martyr's blood is wrung out, the baptism of water or of the Spirit becomes, as it were, double. For the Saviour himself, first baptized by John, declared that he was to be baptized again, no longer with water or Spirit but with the baptism of blood, by the cross of his passion, as it is written: ‘Two disciples, the sons of Zebedee, came to him, saying: Lord, when you come into your kingdom, make us sit one at your right hand and the other at your left. Jesus answered them: You ask a hard thing. Can you drink the cup that I am to drink, and be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized? They said to him: We can. And he said to them: The cup that I am to drink you can drink, and with the baptism with which I am baptized you will be baptized,’ and so on. If these are two baptisms, by your spite you praise us, we confess it. For when you kill our bodies, we do not make baptism twice, but we are baptized with our baptism and with blood, like Christ. Blush, blush, persecutors: you make martyrs like Christ, whom, after the water of true baptism, blood bathes as a baptizer.”
Matt 20:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 20:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 20:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 20:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 10:38 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 10:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 12:50 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Petilian claims that Catholic persecution gives Donatist martyrs a second baptism of blood, like Christ's.
- Petschenig deletes the bracketed “autem” after “sic”; it is left out. The repetition “baptizor baptizor” in the digital text is translated by sense.
- Matt 20:20–23; Mark 10:35–39; Luke 12:50.
Topics: Baptism, Martyrdom, Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.51 (CSEL 52:49–50; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-51). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.52CSEL 52:50–51
Augustinus respondit: Primo cito respondemus quia non uos occidimus, sed ipsi uosmet ipsos uera morte occiditis, cum uos ab unitatis uiua radice praeciditis. deinde si omnes qui occiduntur sanguine suo baptizantur, omnes latrones iniqui impii scelerati, qui damnati feriuntur, martyres habendi sunt, quia suo sanguine baptizantur. si autem non baptizantur sanguine suo nisi qui occiduntur propter iustitiam, quia ipsorum est regnum caelorum, uide sis prius esse quaerendum propter quid patimini et postea quid patiamini. quid ergo buccae inflantur, antequam facta defendantur? quid perstrepit lingua, antequam probetur uita? si schisma fecisti, impius es; si impius es, ut sacrilegus moreris, cum pro impietate puniris; si ut sacrilegus moreris, quomodo tuo sanguine baptizaris? an dicis: non feci schisma? hoc ergo quaeramus: quid ante clamas quam probas?
Augustine answered: First we answer quickly that we do not kill you, but you kill yourselves with a true death when you cut yourselves off from the living root of unity. Next, if all who are killed are baptized in their own blood, then all robbers, the unjust, the ungodly, criminals who are executed after condemnation, are to be held martyrs, because they are baptized in their own blood. But if none are baptized in their own blood except those killed for righteousness' sake, because theirs is the kingdom of heaven, please see that one must first ask why you suffer, and only then what you suffer. Why, then, are the cheeks puffed out before the deeds are defended? Why does the tongue roar before the life is proved? If you made a schism, you are ungodly; if you are ungodly, you die as a sacrilegious man when you are punished for ungodliness; if you die as a sacrilegious man, how are you baptized in your own blood? Or do you say, “I did not make a schism”? Then let us examine that. Why do you cry out before you prove it?
Matt 5:10 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Only those who die for righteousness are baptized in blood; the cause, not the suffering, makes the martyr.
- Matt 5:10.
Topics: Martyrdom, Baptism, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.52 (CSEL 52:50–51; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-52). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.53CSEL 52:51–52
An dicis: etsi sacrilegus sum, a te occidi non debeo? alia quaestio est de atrocitate facti mei quod numquam ueraciter demonstras, alia de baptismo sanguinis tui unde te mendaciter iactas. nam neque occido te nec probas te ab aliquo occidi nec, si probes, ad me pertinet quicumque te occiderit, siue secundum potestatem legitime sibi a domino datam iuste fecerit siue sicut messis dominicae palea cupiditate aliqua mala scelus admiserit: sicut ad te non pertinet qui recentibus temporibus cum intolerabili potentatu etiam militibus sibi comitantibus, non quia timebat aliquem sed ut ab omnibus timeretur, uiduas oppressit, pupillos euertit, aliena patrimonia prodidit, aliena matrimonia separauit, res uendendas innocentium procurauit, uenditarum pretia cum dominis plangentibus diuisit. ex me ista dicere uidear, si non tacito nomine agnoscitur de quo dicam. quae si uera sunt, sicut ad uos ista non pertinent, ita nec quidquid dicis ad nos, etiamsi uera diceres. si autem falsa fama de illo collega uestro iusto et innocente mentita est, nullo modo etiam famae credendum est, quae de innocentibus tamquam de traditoribus codicum uel tamquam de interfectoribus hominum seminata est. huc accedit, quia ego illum commemoro qui uobiscum uixit, cuius natalicia tanta celebratione frequentabatis, cui pacis osculum inter sacramenta copulabatis, in cuius manibus eucharistiam ponebatis, cui uicissim danti manus porrigebatis, cuius aures inter tantos Africae gemitus surdas libera uoce offendere timebatis; quem nescio quis uestrum quia uel ex obliquo urbanissime tetigit, ut ei diceret quod comitem haberet deum, ingenti laude ferebatur. tu autem illos nobis obicis cum quibus non uiximus, quorum faciem non uidimus, quorum aetate uel pueri uel fortasse nondum nati eramus. quae est ista tanta iniquitas atque peruersitas uelle nobis imponere sarcinas ignotorum, cum uos portare nolitis amicorum? clamat scriptura diuina: uidebas furem et concurrebas cum eo. si te non contaminauit quem uidisti, cur mihi obicis quem uidere non potui? an dicis: non cum eo concurri, quia facta eius displicebant mihi? sed nempe ad altare accedebas cum eo. age iam, ut te defendas, discerne ista et dic aliud esse concurrere in peccatum, sicut concurrerunt duo seniores castitati Susannae insidiantes, aliud cum fure accipere domini sacramentum, sicut apostoli cum Iuda etiam primam illam cenam acceperunt. faueo defensioni: sed cur non attendis quanto facilius in hac tua defensione absolueris gentes et terminos terrae qua hereditas Christi diffunditur? si enim potuistis furem uidere et cum fure uiso sacramenta communicare (et) tamen peccatum non communicare, quanto minus potuerunt remotissimae nationes cum Afris traditoribus uel persecutoribus, etiamsi uera diceretis et ostenderetis, mala facta habere communia, quamuis cum eis tenerent sacramenta communia! an dicis: ego illum episcopum uidi, furem uero illum non uidi? dic quod uis: etiam huic faueo defensioni, et in hac absolutus est a uestris criminationibus orbis terrarum. si enim uobis licuit cogniti hominis ignorare uitam, cur totus mundus ignotos ignorare non sinitur? nisi forte Donatistis licet nescire quod scire nolunt, gentibus non licet nescire quod scire non possunt.
Or do you say, “Even if I am sacrilegious, I ought not to be killed by you”? The question of the atrocity of my deed, which you never truly demonstrate, is one thing; the question of the baptism of your blood, of which you falsely boast, is another. For I do not kill you, nor do you prove that you are killed by anyone; and if you prove it, whoever killed you does not concern me, whether he acted justly according to an authority lawfully given him by the Lord, or, like the chaff of the Lord's harvest, committed a crime from some evil greed. In the same way the man does not concern you who in recent times, with intolerable power, attended even by soldiers, not because he feared anyone but so that he might be feared by all, oppressed widows, ruined orphans, betrayed others' patrimonies, broke up others' marriages, arranged the sale of the property of innocent people, and shared the proceeds of what was sold with its weeping owners. I might seem to be saying these things of my own invention, if it were not recognized, without naming him, whom I mean. If these things are true, then as they do not concern you, so whatever you say does not concern us, even if you spoke the truth. But if a false report has lied about that righteous and innocent colleague of yours, then no credence at all should be given to report sown about innocent men as traitors of the books or as killers of men. Add to this that I am recalling a man who lived with you, whose anniversary you used to throng with such celebration, to whom you joined the kiss of peace amid the sacraments, into whose hands you placed the Eucharist, to whom, when he in turn gave it, you held out your hands, whose deaf ears you were afraid to offend with a free voice amid such great groaning of Africa; one of you was greatly praised because he touched him, even obliquely and very wittily, by saying that he had God as companion. But you charge us with men with whom we did not live, whose faces we did not see, in whose time we were boys or perhaps not yet born. What great iniquity and perversity is this, to want to lay on us the loads of strangers, when you are unwilling to carry those of your friends? Divine Scripture cries out: “You saw a thief and ran along with him.” If the man you saw did not defile you, why do you charge me with one I could not see? Or do you say, “I did not run along with him, because his deeds displeased me”? But surely you approached the altar with him. Come now, to defend yourself, make a distinction and say that it is one thing to run together into sin, as the two elders ran together in lying in wait for Susanna's chastity, and another to receive the Lord's sacrament with a thief, as the apostles received even that first supper with Judas. I favour the defence; but why do you not notice how much more easily, by this defence of yours, you would acquit the nations and the ends of the earth, through which the inheritance of Christ is spread? For if you could see a thief and share the sacraments with the thief you saw and yet not share his sin, how much less could the most remote nations share evil deeds with African traitors or persecutors, even if you were telling the truth and proving it, although they held the sacraments in common with them! Or do you say, “I saw him as a bishop, but I did not see him as a thief”? Say what you like; I favour this defence too, and by it the world is acquitted of your charges. For if you were allowed not to know the life of a man you knew, why is the whole world not allowed not to know men it did not know? Unless perhaps Donatists may be ignorant of what they do not want to know, while the nations may not be ignorant of what they cannot know.
Ps 50:18 (49:18 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 22:21 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine sets the notorious deeds of the Donatist Optatus against Petilian's charges: if the Donatists were not defiled by him, distant nations cannot be defiled by unknown Africans.
- The unnamed man is Optatus of Thamugadi. Ps 50:18 (49:18 LXX); Sus 1 (the elders; Additions to Daniel, extrabiblical); Luke 22:21. On deus comes (“God as companion”/“the Count as god”) see 1.10.
Extrabiblical texts: Sus 1:8 (Susanna [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)
Topics: Eucharist, Heresy, Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.53 (CSEL 52:51–52; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-53). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.54CSEL 52:52–54
An dicis: aliud est furtum, aliud traditio uel persecutio? concedo aliud esse, nec modo laborandum est quid intersit ostendere. adtende compendium. si te ille non fecit furem, quia tibi non placet furtum, quis potest facere traditores aut homicidas eos quibus displicet siue traditio siue homicidium? prius igitur confitere te esse quidquid mali fuit Optatus quem noueras, et uel sic mihi obice quidquid mali fuerunt quos ego non noueram. nolo mihi dicas: (sed illa magna sunt, ista parua. prius enim oportet fatearis ipsa parua de te, non ut ego quoque fatear, sed ut uel sinam te dicere nescio quae magna de me. Optatus quem noueras fecit te furem, quia collega tuus fuit, an non fecit? responde unum de duobus. si dicis: non fecit, quaero (quare) non fecerit: quia nec ipse fuit, an quia nescis, an quia tibi displicuit? si quia nec ipse fuit, multo magis illos de quibus nos arguitis tales fuisse quales dicis credere non debemus. si enim de Optato non est credendum quod et christiani et pagani et Iudaei, postremo et nostri et uestri dicunt, quanto minus credendum est quod uos de aliquo dicitis! si quia nescis, respondent tibi omnes gentes: multo magis nos nescimus quidquid de illis obicis nobis. si quia tibi displicuit, eadem tibi uoce respondent: quamuis numquam probaueris, talia tamen displicent nobis. si autem dicis: ecce me furem fecit Optatus ille quem noueram. quia collega meus fuit et cum illo ad altare accedere solebam cum ista committeret, sed non curo, quia leue est peccatum, te autem illi traditorem homicidamque fecerunt, respondeo non me concedere, ut ego quoque traditor et homicida factus sim peccatis alienis, quia tu te alieno peccato furem factum esse confessus es; neque enim iudicio nostro, sed ore tuo fur factus es. nos enim dicimus unumquemque sarcinam suam portare, sicut apostolus testis est; tu uero non quia furtum fecisti uel (in) furtum consensisti, sed quia id quod alius fecit ad te pertinere existimasti, sub sarcina Optati ultro tuos humeros subdidisti. nam sicut apostolus ait, cum de cibis loqueretur: scio et confido in domino Iesu quia nihil commune per ipsum; sed ei qui existimat aliquid commune esse, illi commune est, eadem regula dici potest aliena peccata non pertinere ad eos quibus displicent, sed si quis existimat ad se pertinere, pertinent ad eum. quapropter tu nos non tenes traditores nec homicidas, etiamsi aliquid tale probes de his qui nobiscum sacramenta communicant; te autem, etiamsi tibi displiceat quidquid fecit Optatus, furem tamen tenemus non per calumniam nostram, sed per sententiam tuam. et ne putes hoc leue esse, apostolum lege dicentem: neque fures regnum dei possidebunt. qui autem regnum dei non possidebunt, non erunt utique ad dexteram inter illos quibus dicetur: uenite benedicti patris mei, percipite regnum quod uobis paratum est ab origine mundi. si ibi non erunt, ubi erunt nisi ad sinistram, inter illos ergo quibus dicetur: ite in ignem aeternum qui paratus est diabolo et angelis eius? frustra ergo te securum facis leue putando peccatum, quod a regno dei separat et in ignem mittit aeternum. quanto melius ad ueram confessionem confugies et dices: unusquisque nostrum proprium onus portabit et a tritico paleam uentilabrum ultimum separabit!
Or do you say, “Theft is one thing, handing over the books or persecution another”? I grant that it is another thing, and there is no need now to labour to show the difference. Consider the short way. If he did not make you a thief, because theft does not please you, who can make traitors or murderers of those who are displeased by handing over or by murder? So first confess that you are whatever evil Optatus was, whom you knew, and then charge me with whatever evil were those whom I did not know. Do not say to me, “But those are great things, these small.” You must first confess even the small things about yourself, not so that I may confess too, but so that I may even allow you to say some great things or other about me. Did Optatus, whom you knew, make you a thief because he was your colleague, or did he not? Answer one of the two. If you say, “He did not,” I ask why he did not: because he was not one himself, or because you do not know, or because it displeased you? If because he was not one himself, much more ought we not to believe that those of whom you accuse us were such as you say. For if one must not believe of Optatus what Christians and pagans and Jews, and finally both ours and yours, say, how much less must one believe what you say of anyone! If because you do not know, all nations answer you: “Much more do we not know whatever you charge against us about those men.” If because it displeased you, they answer you in the same words: “Though you have never proved them, such things displease us.” But if you say, “Look, Optatus, whom I knew, did make me a thief, because he was my colleague and I used to approach the altar with him while he committed these things; but I do not care, because it is a light sin, while those men made you a traitor and a murderer,” I answer that I do not grant that I too have been made a traitor and a murderer by others' sins because you have confessed that you were made a thief by another's sin; for you were made a thief not by our judgment but by your own mouth. We say that each carries his own load, as the apostle bears witness; but you, not because you committed theft or consented to theft, but because you supposed that what another did concerned you, have of your own accord put your shoulders under the load of Optatus. For as the apostle says, speaking about foods, “I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean through him; but to him who thinks something unclean, to him it is unclean,” so by the same rule it can be said that others' sins do not concern those whom they displease, but if anyone thinks they concern him, they concern him. So you do not hold us as traitors or murderers, even if you prove something of the kind about those who share the sacraments with us; but we hold you a thief, even if whatever Optatus did displeases you, not by our slander but by your own verdict. And so that you do not think this light, read the apostle saying, “Nor will thieves possess the kingdom of God.” Those who will not possess the kingdom of God will certainly not be on the right among those to whom it will be said, “Come, blessed of my Father, receive the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” If they are not there, where will they be but on the left, among those to whom it will be said, “Go into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels”? In vain, then, do you make yourself secure by thinking light a sin that separates from the kingdom of God and sends into eternal fire. How much better to take refuge in the true confession and say: “Each of us will carry his own load, and the last winnowing fork will separate the chaff from the wheat”!
Gal 6:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 14:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 6:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:41 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: If association with Optatus did not make the Donatists thieves, association cannot make Catholics traitors; if it did, they convict themselves.
- The editor's round-bracketed supplements are translated. Gal 6:5; Rom 14:14; 1 Cor 6:10; Matt 25:34, 41; Matt 3:12.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): quamuia → quamuis.
Topics: Heresy, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.54 (CSEL 52:52–54; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-54). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.55CSEL 52:54–55
Sed uidelicet times ne statim tibi dicatur: (cur ergo, dum aliis aliena onera conamini imponere, ausi uos estis ante ultimum uentilabrum a totius mundi dominica segete separare? itaque uos, quibus displicent facta uestrorum, dum cauetis ne uobis obiciatur schisma quod omnes fecistis, etiam peccatis uos implicatis quae uos non fecistis, et dum timet uir disertus Petilianus, ne mihi liceat dicere non me esse talem qualem fuisse putat Caecilianum, ipse cogitur dicere esse se talem qualem fuisse nouit Optatum. an tu non es talis qualem illum fuisse Africa tota conclamat? nec nos ergo tales sumus, quales illos quos nobis obicitis uel error uester suspicatur uel furor infamat uel ueritas probat; multo minus talia sunt per omnes gentes frumenta dominica, quae istorum nec nomen audierunt. nulla igitur causa est, cur tanto scelere separationis et sacrilegio schismatis pereatis. et tamen si quid pro hac tanta impietate diuino iudicio patiamini, etiam baptizari uos uestro sanguine dicitis, ut parum sit quod diuisi non compungimini, nisi etiam puniti gloriemini.
But no doubt you fear that someone will say to you at once: “Why, then, while you try to lay others' loads on others, have you dared to separate yourselves from the Lord's harvest throughout the world before the last winnowing?” So you, who are displeased by the deeds of your people, while you guard against being charged with the schism that you all made, entangle yourselves even in sins you did not commit; and while the eloquent Petilian fears that I may be allowed to say that I am not such as he thinks Caecilian was, he is himself forced to say that he is such as he knows Optatus was. Or are you not such as all Africa cries out that he was? Then neither are we such as those whom you charge against us, as your error suspects or your fury defames or the truth proves them; much less is the Lord's grain through all nations, which has not even heard the names of these men, of that kind. There is, then, no reason why you should perish in so great a crime of separation and sacrilege of schism. And yet if you suffer anything by divine judgment for so great an impiety, you even say that you are baptized in your own blood; so that it is not enough that you feel no compunction at being divided, unless you also boast at being punished.
Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatists, unwilling to carry others' loads, condemn themselves by their own logic; their punishment for schism is no baptism of blood.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): qualem ilium fuisse → qualem illum fuisse.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.55 (CSEL 52:54–55; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-55). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.56CSEL 52:55
Petilianus dixit: At enim in eodem perduratis: (qui semel lotus est non habet causam nisi pedes lauandi. semel est quod habet auctorem, semel est quod ueritas firmat.
Petilian said: “But you persist in the same thing: ‘He who has once been washed has no need except to wash his feet.’ Once is what has an author; once is what truth confirms.”
John 13:10 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Petilian replies to the Catholic use of John 13:10.
- John 13:10.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark): lauandi.* semel → lauandi. semel.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.56 (CSEL 52:55; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-56). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.57CSEL 52:55
Augustinus respondit: Baptismus in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti Christum habet auctorem, non quemlibet hominem, et Christus est ueritas, non quilibet homo.
Augustine answered: Baptism in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit has Christ as its author, not any man; and Christ is the truth, not any man.
Matt 28:19 (allusion, high confidence) · John 14:6 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Christ is the author of baptism and the truth.
- Matt 28:19; John 14:6.
Topics: Baptism, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.57 (CSEL 52:55; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-57). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.58CSEL 52:55
Petilianus dixit: Nam cum reus falsa committas, bis baptisma ego non facio quod semel ipse non facis.
Petilian said: “For since you, being guilty, commit falsehoods, I do not make a second baptism of what you yourself do not make even once.”
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Summary: Petilian says Catholic baptism is no baptism, so his is not a second one.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.58 (CSEL 52:55; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-58). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.59CSEL 52:55
Augustinus respondit: Nec reos nos probas et, si reus baptismo falso baptizat, non habent uerum baptismum quotquot ab eis baptizantur, qui apud uos non solum manifesti, sed etiam occulti iam rei sunt. si enim rem dei dat qui baptismum dat, cum iam deo reus est quomodo rem dei dat, si reus uerum baptismum non dat? sic enim expectatis, ut et nobis reus sit, quasi quod daturus est uestrum sit.
Augustine answered: You do not prove us guilty; and if a guilty man baptizes with a false baptism, then all who are baptized by those who are already guilty among you, not only openly but secretly, do not have true baptism. For if the one who gives baptism gives something of God's, how does he give something of God's when he is already guilty before God, if a guilty man does not give true baptism? For you wait until he is guilty in our eyes too, as though what he is to give were yours.
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Summary: If guilt voided baptism, secretly guilty Donatist ministers would void their own baptisms.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.59 (CSEL 52:55; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-59). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.60CSEL 52:55–56
Petilianus dixit: Nam si ueris falsa permisceas, isdem saepe uestigiis uerum falsitas imitatur. sic sic hominem simulat naturae pictura uerumque coloribus exprimit falsa facies ueritatis. sic sic speculi nitor uultum rapit, ut reuocet oculis imitatur; sic sic offert proprios uenientibus uultus, ut ipsa sibimet inuicem facies uenientis occurrat, tantumque ualet munda fallacia, ut ipsi se qui peruident oculi quasi in altero sese cognoscant. ipsa quoque umbrae cum steterit imago, res geminat magna ex parte, mendacio diuidens unitatem. numquid adeo uerum est, quia figura mentitur? sed aliud est hominem pingere, aliud generare. nam quis patri filios exoptanti falsos fingit infantes, aut quis picturae mendacio ueros heredes expectet? profecto dementis est animi dimisso eo quod uerum est amare picturam.
Petilian said: “For if you mix false things with true, falsehood often imitates the truth in the same footsteps. So, so a painting imitates the nature of a man, and the false face of truth expresses the real with colours. So, so the brightness of a mirror seizes the face, so as to give it back, and imitates it to the eyes; so, so it offers to those who approach their own features, so that the face of the one approaching meets itself in turn; and so strong is the clean deceit that the eyes looking through recognize themselves as if in another. The image of a shadow too, when it stands, largely doubles things, dividing unity by a lie. Is it therefore true, because the figure lies? But it is one thing to paint a man, another to beget one. For who fashions false infants for a father who longs for sons, or who would expect true heirs from the lie of a painting? Surely it is the mark of a mad mind to abandon what is true and love a painting.”
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Summary: Petilian compares Catholic baptism to a painting or mirror image: a likeness, not the reality.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR reading doubled by the correction; OCR slip): oeulis → oculis; uuUus → uultus; 1/alet → ualet; alwd → aliud; dementiadementis → dementis.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.60 (CSEL 52:55–56; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-60). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.61CSEL 52:56–57
Augustinus respondit: Itane non erubescis, etiamsi in homine fallacissimo fuerit, baptismum Christi falsitatem nocere? absit quidem ut dominicum frumentum, quod per totum agrum, id est hunc mundum, usque in messem, id est usque in finem saeculi, inter zizania crescere iussum est, uestris maledictis interisse credatur. uerumtamen et in ipsis zizaniis, quae usque in finem non colligi sed tolerari praecepta sunt, et in ipsa palea, quae non nisi ultimo uentilabro tota separabitur, audet quisquam dicere falsum esse baptisma quod in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti datur et sumitur? quos testimonio grauidatarum femicarum conuictos uel collegas uel presbyteros uestros ab honore deponitis — quandoquidem ista exempla ubique non desunt —, quaero, antequam conuincerentur, utrum fallaces fuerint an ueraces. respondebis utique: fallaces). cur ergo uerum baptismum et habebant et dabant? cur in eis diuinam ueritatem. non corrumpebat humana fallacia? nonne uerissime scriptum est: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae effugiet fictum? fictos ergo istos cum sanctus spiritus fugeret, cur apud eos baptismi ueritas erat, nisi quia spiritus sanctus hominis fallaciam, non ueritatem sacramenti fugiebat? porro si et fallaces habent baptismum uerum, qui hoc habet (quamuis a fallacissimo baptizatore acceptum, idem habet) quod ueraces habent. unde te oportet aduertere sermonem tuum potius esse pigmentis puerilibus coloratum, et ideo qui neglecto uerbo uiuo fucis talibus delectatur, ipse amat pro ueritate picturam.
Augustine answered: Are you not ashamed to say that the falsity of a man, even the most deceitful man, harms the baptism of Christ? God forbid that the Lord's grain, which was ordered to grow among the tares through the whole field, that is, this world, until the harvest, that is, until the end of the age, should be believed to have perished by your curses. But even in those very tares, which we are commanded not to gather up but to tolerate until the end, and in the very chaff, which will be wholly separated only by the last winnowing fork, does anyone dare to say that the baptism given and received in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is false? Those of your colleagues or presbyters whom you depose from office when convicted by the testimony of pregnant women (since such examples are not lacking anywhere): I ask whether, before they were convicted, they were deceitful or truthful. You will surely answer, “Deceitful.” Why, then, did they both have and give true baptism? Why did human deceit not corrupt the divine truth in them? Is it not most truly written, “For the holy Spirit of discipline will flee from deceit”? Since, then, the Holy Spirit fled from these deceitful men, why was the truth of baptism with them, unless because the Holy Spirit fled from the man's deceit, not from the truth of the sacrament? Further, if even the deceitful have true baptism, the one who has it, though he received it from a most deceitful baptizer, has the same thing that the truthful have. So you ought to see that it is rather your speech that is coloured with childish paints, and therefore whoever neglects the living word and delights in such cosmetics is the one who loves a painting instead of the truth.
Matt 13:30 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:38 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:39 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 28:19 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Even deceitful ministers, later convicted, gave true baptism, because the Spirit flees the man's deceit, not the sacrament's truth.
- Wis 1:5; Matt 13:30, 38–39; Matt 3:12.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR reading doubled by the correction; OCR slip; stray numeral): ltaneItane → Itane; embesciserubescis → erubescis; ia homine fallaojssimofallacissimo → in homine fallacissimo; nocsre → nocere; bunchunc → hunc; tnessemmessem → messem; spiritus saactus → spiritus sanctus; ueritate picturam. 1 → ueritate picturam..
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Baptism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.61 (CSEL 52:56–57; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-61). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.62CSEL 52:57
Petilianus dixit: At enim dicit apostolus Paulus: unus deus, una fides, unum baptisma. unum nos profitemur; nam certum est eos qui duo existimant insanire.
Petilian said: “But the apostle Paul says, ‘One God, one faith, one baptism.’ We profess one; for it is certain that those who think there are two are mad.”
Eph 4:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian cites Eph 4:5.
- Eph 4:5–6.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.62 (CSEL 52:57; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-62). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.63CSEL 52:57
Augustinus respondit: In nos ista dicitis, sed insaniendo nescitis. illi enim dicunt duo baptismata, qui aliud existimant habere iustos, aliud iniquos, cum neque istorum neque illorum sit, sed sit Christi, in utrisque unum, quamuis ipsi non sint unum, sed id quod est unum isti habeant ad salutem, illi ad perniciem.
Augustine answered: You say these things against us, but in your madness you do not know it. For those speak of two baptisms who think that the righteous have one and the unrighteous another, whereas it belongs neither to the one nor to the other, but to Christ, one in both; although they themselves are not one, but the one thing which is one the former have for salvation, the latter for destruction.
Eph 4:5 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Baptism is one because it is Christ's, though the good have it for salvation and the wicked for destruction.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.63 (CSEL 52:57; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-63). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.64CSEL 52:57
Petilianus dixit: Uerum ut aliquid comparem,, solem geminum uideri furiosis, licet nubes caerulea saepe concurrat eiusque decolor facies splendore percussa, dum radii solis ab eadem redeunt, quasi proprios radios emittere uideatur, sic sic in fide baptismatis aliud est quaerere imagines, aliud agnoscere ueritatem.
Petilian said: “But to make a comparison: to the mad the sun seems double, although a dark cloud often runs against it, and its discoloured face, struck by the brightness, seems to send out rays of its own as the sun's rays come back from it. So, so in the faith of baptism it is one thing to seek images, another to recognize the truth.”
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Summary: Petilian compares Catholic baptism to a false second sun.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.64 (CSEL 52:57; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-64). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.65CSEL 52:57–58
Augustinus respondit: Quid loqueris, quaeso? quando nubes caerulea radios solis percussa repercutit, numquid furiosis quasi duo soles apparent ac non omnibus qui intuentur? cum autem furiosis ita uidetur, solis ipsis uidetur. sed ei molestum non est quod ammoneo, uide potius, ne forte talia dicere et sic loqui furiosum sit. nempe tamen hoc dicere uoluisti, iustos habere ueritatem baptismi, iniustos autem imaginem. si ita est, audeo dicere imaginem fuisse in illo uestro cui non deus, sed quidam comes erat deus, ueritatem autem uel in te uel in illo qui hoc in eum eleganter emisit, quando ei dixit: cui comes est deus. et discernite illos quos uterque baptizauit et in aliis approbate baptismum uerum, ab aliis autem excludite imaginem et introducite ueritatem.
Augustine answered: What are you saying, I ask? When a dark cloud, struck by the sun's rays, reflects them, do two suns, as it were, appear to the mad and not to all who look? And when it seems so to the mad, it seems so to them alone. But let it not trouble you that I give this warning: see rather whether it is not mad to say such things and to talk like this. Still, what you meant to say is clearly this: that the righteous have the reality of baptism and the unrighteous an image. If so, I venture to say that there was an image in that man of yours to whom not God but a certain Count was god, and the reality either in you or in the one who elegantly aimed that saying at him, when he said to him, “to whom God is companion.” So distinguish those whom each of them baptized: approve the true baptism in the one group, and from the other shut out the image and bring in the reality.
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Summary: If the wicked have only an image of baptism, the Donatists must sort out and rebaptize those baptized by Optatus.
- On the pun deus comes (“God as companion” / “the Count as god”) see 1.10; the man is Optatus of Thamugadi, ally of Count Gildo.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.65 (CSEL 52:57–58; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-65). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.66CSEL 52:58
Petilianus dixit: Sed ut haec minora discurram, numquid ius dicit qui non est curiae magistratus, aut id quod dixerit ius est, cum priuati persona publica iura perturbet? an non magis reus non modo non prodest, sed cum eo quod conficit falsarius obtinetur?
Petilian said: “But to run through these lesser points: does he declare the law who is not a magistrate of the court? Or is what he says law, when a private person disturbs public laws? Is not the guilty man rather not only of no use, but held liable along with what he forges, as a forger?”
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Summary: Petilian compares a Catholic minister to a private man who presumes to declare law.
Topics: Baptism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.66 (CSEL 52:58; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-66). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.67CSEL 52:58
Augustinus respondit: Quid, si iste priuatus atque falsarius legem imperatoris alicui det, nonne ille, cum contulerit cum eis qui hanc habent et ipsam esse inuenerit, non attendit a quo acceperit, sed quid acceperit? falsarius quippe quando ex sua falsitate dat aliquid, falsum est; quando autem alienum uerum ab aliquo datur, etiamsi a falsario detur, quamuis ille uerax non sit, uerum est tamen quod datur.
Augustine answered: What if this private person and forger gives someone a law of the emperor? When the man compares it with those who have it and finds it to be the same, does he not attend not to the one from whom he received it but to what he received? When a forger gives something from his own forgery, it is false; but when something true that belongs to another is given by someone, even if given by a forger, though he is not truthful, what is given is true.
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Summary: A genuine law handed on by a forger is still genuine; so too a sacrament.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): non attendit & quo → non attendit a quo.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.67 (CSEL 52:58; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-67). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.68CSEL 52:58
Petilianus dixit: Aut si quisquam carmina sacerdotis memoriter teneat, numquid inde sacerdos est, quod ore sacrilego carmen publicat sacerdotis?
Petilian said: “Or if someone knows a priest's prayers by heart, is he therefore a priest because with sacrilegious mouth he publishes the priest's prayer?”
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Summary: Petilian argues that reciting a priest's prayers does not make one a priest.
Topics: Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.68 (CSEL 52:58; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-68). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.69CSEL 52:58–60
Augustinus respondit: Ita istud dicis, quasi modo quaeramus quis sit uerus sacerdos et non quid sit uerum baptisma. ut enim sit quisque uerus sacerdos, oportet ut non solo sacramento, sed iustitia quoque induatur, sicut scriptum est: sacerdotes tui induantur iustitia. qui autem solo sacramento sacerdos est, sicut fuit pontifex Caiphas, persecutor unius et uerissimi sacerdotis, quamuis ipse non sit uerax, quod dat tamen uerum est, si non det suum sed dei, sicut de ipso Caipha dictum est: hoc autem non a se dixit, sed cum, esset pontifex prophetauit. et tamen, ut eo quoque simili utar quod ipse posuisti, si audias ab aliquo uel profano precem sacerdotis uerbis et mysteriis euangelicis conformatam, numquid potes ei dicere: (non est uera., quamuis ipse non solum uerus non sit, sed etiam nullus sacerdos sit, cum apostolus Paulus quoddam testimonium uerum esse dixerit Cretensis nescio cuius prophetae, qui inter prophetas dei non computabatur? ait enim: dixit quidam ex ipsis proprius eorum propheta: Cretenses semper mendaces, malae bestiae, uentres pigri. testimonium hoc uerum est. si ergo apostolus nescio cuius alienigenae testimonium, quia uerum comperit, etiam ipse adtestatus est, cur nos, apud quemlibet inuenerimus quod Christi est et uerum est, etiamsi ille apud quem inuenitur peruersus et fallax est, non discernimus uitium quod homo habet et ueritatem quam non suam sed dei habet, et dicimus: sacramentum hoc uerum est, sicut ille ait: testimonium hoc uerum est? numquid ideo dicimus: etiam ipse homo uerax est, quia dicimus: sacramentum hoc uerum est? sicut et apostolus numquid ideo prophetam illum inter prophetas dei computauit, quia quod in eo uerum inuenit uerum esse firmauit? similiter idem apostolus, cum apud Athenas esset, inter aras daemonum animaduertit aram quandam in qua scriptum erat: ignoto deo, et hoc testimonium ad illos in Christo aedificandos assumpsit, ita ut hoc commemoraret in sermone suo atque subiungeret: quem uos ignorantes colitis hunc uobis nos adnuntiamus. numquid quia uel inter idolorum aras uel a sacrilegis erectam aram illam repperit, propterea quod in ea uerum erat damnauit aut respuit, aut propter uerum quod in ea legerat etiam sacrilegia paganorum sectanda esse persuasit? consequenter autem cum ipsum etiam dominum illis ignotum, sibi autem notum etiam illorum notitiae, sicut congruere iudicabat, insinuare uellet, ait inter cetera: et quidem non longe positum ab unoquoque nostrum. in illo enim uiuimus et mouemur et sumus, sicut et quidam secundum uos dixerunt numquid etiam hic, quia inuenit apud sacrilegos testimonia ueritatis, aut propter ista illos approbauit aut propter illos ista damnauit? uos autem necesse est ut semper erretis, quamdiu propter hominum uitia dei sacramenta uiolatis aut nos propter dei sacramenta, quae in uobis uiolare nolumus, etiam uestri schismatis sacrilegium assumere putatis.
Augustine answered: You say this as though we were now asking who is a true priest, and not what is true baptism. For a man to be a true priest, he must be clothed not with the sacrament alone but also with righteousness, as it is written, “Let your priests be clothed with righteousness.” But one who is a priest by the sacrament alone, as the high priest Caiaphas was, the persecutor of the one and truest Priest, though he himself is not truthful, still what he gives is true, if he gives not what is his but what is God's; as was said of Caiaphas himself: “He did not say this of himself, but being high priest he prophesied.” And yet, to use the comparison you yourself put forward, if you hear from someone, even a profane man, a priest's prayer formed from the words and mysteries of the gospel, can you say to him, “It is not true,” though he himself is not only not truthful but no priest at all? For the apostle Paul said that a certain testimony of some prophet or other of the Cretans, who was not counted among God's prophets, was true. He says: “One of them, their own prophet, said: Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy bellies. This testimony is true.” If, then, the apostle himself attested the testimony of some foreigner or other because he found it true, why should we not, wherever we find what is Christ's and true, even if the one with whom it is found is perverse and deceitful, distinguish the vice that the man has from the truth that he has, not as his own but as God's, and say, “This sacrament is true,” as Paul said, “This testimony is true”? Do we therefore say, “The man himself is truthful,” because we say, “This sacrament is true”? Did the apostle count that prophet among the prophets of God because he confirmed as true what he found true in him? Likewise the same apostle, when he was at Athens, noticed among the altars of demons a certain altar on which was written, “To an unknown god,” and he took up this testimony to build them up in Christ, mentioning it in his speech and adding, “What you worship in ignorance, this we proclaim to you.” Because he found that altar among the altars of idols, or set up by sacrilegious men, did he therefore condemn or reject what was true in it? Or, because of the true thing he had read on it, did he persuade them to follow the sacrileges of the pagans as well? Then, when he wanted to make known the Lord himself, unknown to them but known to him, in a way suited to their understanding, as he judged fitting, he said among other things: “And indeed he is not far from each one of us; for in him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own have said.” Here too, because he found testimonies of the truth among sacrilegious men, did he either approve them because of these, or condemn these because of them? But you must always be in error, as long as you violate God's sacraments because of men's vices, or think that we, because of God's sacraments, which we will not violate in you, take on also the sacrilege of your schism.
Ps 132:9 (131:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:51 (quotation, high confidence) · Titus 1:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Titus 1:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 17:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 17:27 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 17:28 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: A true sacrament can be held by a false minister, just as Paul acknowledged true sayings of a Cretan prophet and an Athenian altar without approving their authors.
- Ps 132:9 (131:9 LXX); John 11:51; Titus 1:12–13 (Epimenides); Acts 17:23, 27–28 (Aratus).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (joined words (OCR); joined words and OCR slips): eorumproplieta:Cretensessempermendaces → eorum propheta: Cretenses semper mendaces; uosignorantes → uos ignorantes.
Extrabiblical texts: Epimenides (Epimenides (fragments); quotation); Aratus, Phaen. 5 (Aratus, Phaenomena; allusion)
Topics: Baptism, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.69 (CSEL 52:58–60; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-69). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.70CSEL 52:60
Petilianus dixit: Omnis enim potestas ex deo est, non in homine potestatis, sicut Pontio Pilato respondit dominus Iesus Christus: non haberes in me potestatem nisi esset tibi desuper data, et iterum dicente Iohanne: non potest homo facere quicquam nisi ei datum fuerit e caelo. doce igitur, traditor, simulandi mysteria quando acceperis potestatem.
Petilian said: “For all power is from God, not in the man who has power; as the Lord Jesus Christ answered Pontius Pilate: ‘You would have no power over me unless it had been given you from above’; and again, as John says: ‘A man can do nothing unless it has been given him from heaven.’ Show us, then, traitor, when you received power to counterfeit the mysteries.”
Rom 13:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 3:27 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian asks when the Catholics received power to administer the sacraments.
- Rom 13:1; John 19:11; John 3:27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): sieut Pontio → sicut Pontio.
Topics: Church office, Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.70 (CSEL 52:60; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-70). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.71CSEL 52:60
Augustinus respondit: Tu doce potius, uniuersus orbis terrarum, qua diffusa est hereditas Christi, et illa tot gentium multitudo, ubi apostoli ecclesias fundauerunt, quando baptizandi amiserit potestatem. numquam docebis, non solum quia eos calumniaris, non doces traditores, sed quia, etiamsi docueris, non potest quorumlibet malorum scelus siue ignotorum siue fallacium siue ut zizania uel palea tolerandorum euertere promissa dei, ut non in semine Abrahae benedicantur omnes gentes; a quibus promissis uos alienos facitis, qui cum omnibus gentibus communionem unitatis habere non uultis.
Augustine answered: You rather show when the whole world, through which Christ's inheritance is spread, and that great multitude of nations where the apostles founded churches, lost the power to baptize. You will never show it; not only because you slander them and do not show them to be traitors, but because, even if you showed it, the crime of any wicked men whatever, whether unknown, or deceitful, or to be tolerated like tares or chaff, cannot overturn the promises of God, so that all nations should not be blessed in the seed of Abraham; and from these promises you make yourselves strangers, since you refuse to have the communion of unity with all nations.
Gen 22:18 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The worldwide church never lost the power to baptize; no one's crime can overturn God's promise to bless all nations.
- Gen 22:18.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): sine fallacium → siue fallacium.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.71 (CSEL 52:60; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-71). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.72CSEL 52:60–61
Petilianus dixit: Licet enim unum sit baptismum, tribus tamen est gradibus consecratum. dedit aquam Iohannes sine nomine trinitatis, sicut ipse professus est dicens: ego uos baptixo in aqua paenitentiae; alius ueniet qui fortior me est, cuius non sum dignus calciamenta portare; ipse uos baptixat in spiritu sancto et igni. dedit sanctum spiritum Christus, sicut scriptum est: sibilauit in faciem eorum et dixit: accipite spiritum sanctum, ipseque ignis paracletus crepitantibus flammis ardescens in apostolos superuenit. o uera diuinitas, quae accendere uisa est, non ardere. sicut scriptum est: factus est subito de caelo sonus. tamquam ui magna spiritus ferretur, et repleuit totam domum ubi erant sedentes apostoli. et uisae sunt distributae linguae tamquam ignis. sedit autem super unumquemque eorum, et repleti sunt omnes spiritu sancto, et coeperunt loqui uariis linguis sicut spiritus sanctus dabat eloquium eis. tu igitur, persecutor, uel aquam paenitentiae non habes, qui non Iohannis occisi, sed occisoris Herodis retines potestatem. tu igitur, traditor, sanctum spiritum Christi non habes; etenim morti Christus est traditus, non ad mortem tradidit Christus. tibi ignis in spiritu apud inferos uiuax est, qui ieiunis apicibus aestuans membra tua per saeculum afflare ualeat, non finire, sicut scriptum est de reorum inferno supplicio: ignis eorum non extinguetur.
Petilian said: “For although baptism is one, it is consecrated in three stages. John gave water without the name of the Trinity, as he himself declared, saying: ‘I baptize you in the water of repentance; another will come who is stronger than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry; he baptizes you in the Holy Spirit and fire.’ Christ gave the Holy Spirit, as it is written: ‘He breathed in their face and said: Receive the Holy Spirit.’ And the Paraclete himself, fire blazing with crackling flames, came upon the apostles. O true divinity, which was seen to set alight, not to burn! As it is written: ‘Suddenly there came from heaven a sound as of a mighty wind rushing, and it filled the whole house where the apostles were sitting. And there appeared to them divided tongues as of fire, and it sat upon each of them; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in various tongues, as the Holy Spirit gave them utterance.’ You, then, persecutor, do not have even the water of repentance, since you hold the power not of John who was killed but of Herod who killed him. You, then, traitor, do not have Christ's Holy Spirit; for Christ was handed over to death, Christ did not hand over to death. For you the fire in the Spirit is alive in the underworld, able, raging with hungry tips, to blow on your limbs forever, not to finish them, as it is written of the infernal punishment of the guilty: ‘Their fire will not be quenched.’”
Matt 3:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 20:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 14:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 66:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 9:48 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian divides baptism into three stages, John's water, Christ's Spirit, and the Paraclete's fire, and denies the Catholics all three.
- Matt 3:11; John 20:22; Acts 2:2–4; Matt 14:10; Isa 66:24 (Mark 9:48).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray letter): superuenit.s o uera → superuenit. o uera; suut scriptum → sicut scriptum; nisae sunt → uisae sunt.
Topics: Baptism, Trinity, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.72 (CSEL 52:60–61; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-72). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.73CSEL 52:61–62
Augustinus respondit: Tu es ille maledicus conuiciator, non ueridicus disputator. nonne aliquando desines talia dicere, quae si non probas ad neminem pertinent, si autem probas ad unitatem orbis terrarum, quae in sanctis tamquam in frumentis est, omnino non pertinent? si placeat et nobis pro maledictis maledicta reponere, possumus et nos forte diserte conuiciari, possumus dicere: crepitantibus flammis, sed nullo modo mihi sonat diserte quod dicitur inepte; possumus et nos dicere: ieiunis apicibus aestuans, sed scriptorum nostrorum apices nolumus, cum ab aliquo sano leguntur, suco grauitatis ieiunos iudicari et ipsum in eis, dum nullis sententiis utilibus pascitur, superuacaneo laborare ieiunio. ecce dico circumcelliones uestros non crepitantibus, sed praecipitantibus flammis furoris ardere. si responderis: quid ad nos?, cur et tu cum obieceris quos uolueris non uicissim audies: et nos nescimus? si responderis: (non probabis, cur non tibi orbis terrarum respondeat uicissim: (nec uos probatis? paciscamur ergo, si placet, ut nec tu nobis malos obicias quos putas nostros nec uobis ego uestros. ita uidebis hoc pacto tam iusto placito atque firmato nihil te habere quod obicias semini Abrahae in omnibus gentibus. atque tibi ego plane inuenio magnum quod obiciam: cur ergo uos impie separastis a semine Abrahae quod est in omnibus gentibus? hoc certe quemadmodum defendas non habes. purgamus enim nos utrique a criminibus alienis; hoc autem, quod omnibus gentibus quae in semine Abrahae benedicuntur non communicatis, et magnum crimen est (et) non quorundam uestrum, sed omnium.
Augustine answered: You are that abusive railer, not a truthful disputant. Will you never stop saying such things, which, if you do not prove them, concern no one, and if you do prove them, do not concern at all the unity of the world, which is in the saints as in the grain? If we too chose to repay curses with curses, perhaps we too could rail eloquently; we too could say “with crackling flames,” though what is said ineptly does not sound eloquent to me at all. We too could say “raging with hungry tips”; but we do not want the tips of our pens, when read by any sane person, to be judged hungry for the sap of seriousness, nor the reader himself, feeding on no useful thoughts in them, to labour under a pointless fast. Look, I say that your Circumcellions burn with flames of fury that are not crackling but precipitating. If you answer, “What has that to do with us?” why should you not in turn hear, when you have charged whomever you please, “We too do not know them”? If you answer, “You will not prove it,” why should the world not answer you in turn, “Nor do you prove it”? So let us agree, if you please, that you will not charge us with the wicked whom you think ours, nor I you with yours. So you will see that, with this pact so just, agreed and confirmed, you have nothing to charge against the seed of Abraham in all nations. But I plainly find a great thing to charge you with: why, then, did you impiously separate yourselves from the seed of Abraham that is in all nations? This you have no way of defending. For we each clear ourselves of others' crimes; but that you are not in communion with all the nations that are blessed in the seed of Abraham is both a great crime and the crime not of some of you but of all.
Gen 22:18 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine mocks Petilian's rhetoric, proposes that neither side charge the other with others' crimes, and leaves the Donatists with the crime of schism.
- “Precipitating” puns on the Circumcellions' practice of throwing themselves from cliffs. The editor's round-bracketed “et” is translated.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.73 (CSEL 52:61–62; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-73). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.74CSEL 52:62–63
Et tamen nosti et commemoras sanctum spiritum ita uenisse, ut illi quos tunc impleuerat linguis omnibus loquerentur. quid sibi uolebat illud signum atque prodigium? cur modo ita datur spiritus sanctus, ut nemo cui datur linguis omnibus loqui possit, nisi quia omnes gentes credituras ac sic in omnibus linguis futurum euangelium illud tunc miraculum portendebat? quod et in psalmo tanto ante praedictum est: non sunt loquelae neque sermones quorum non audiantur uoces eorum. hoc propter eos dictum est qui sancto spiritu accepto linguis erant omnibus locuturi. sed quia id ipsum in omnibus gentium linguis futurum euangelium et corpus Christi per totum orbem terrarum linguis omnibus personaturum significabat, secutus ait: in omnem terram exiuit sonus eorum et in fines orbis terrae uerba eorum. hinc fit ut ecclesia uera neminem lateat. unde est illud quod in euangelio ipse dicit: non potest ciuitas abscondi super montem constituta. ideoque in eodem psalmo conectitur: in sole posuit tabernaculum suum — id est in manifestatione, sicut in Regnorum libris legimus dictum: quod tu in occulto fecisti, patieris in sole —, et ipse tamquam sponsus procedens de thalamo suo exultauit ut gigas ad currendam uiam: a summo caelo egressio eius — ecce habes aduentum domini in carne — et occursus eius usque ad summum eius — ecce habes resurrectionem et ascensionem — nec est qui se abscondat a calore eius: ecce habes aduentum spiritus sancti quem in linguis igneis misit, ut feruorem caritatis ostenderet, quam profecto non habet qui cum ecclesia, quae in omnibus linguis est, non seruat unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis.
And yet you know and recall that the Holy Spirit came in such a way that those whom he had then filled spoke in all tongues. What did that sign and wonder mean? Why is the Holy Spirit now given in such a way that no one to whom he is given can speak in all tongues, unless because that miracle then foreshadowed that all nations would believe and so the gospel would be in all tongues? This too was foretold so long before in the psalm: “There are no speeches or words where their voices are not heard.” This was said because of those who, on receiving the Holy Spirit, were to speak in all tongues. But because it signified that the gospel would be in all the tongues of the nations and that the body of Christ would sound in all tongues through the whole world, it went on to say, “Their sound has gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” That is why the true church is hidden from no one. Hence what he himself says in the gospel: “A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.” And so in the same psalm it is joined on: “He has set his tabernacle in the sun” (that is, in open view, as we read it said in the books of Kingdoms, “What you did in secret, you will suffer in the sun”), “and he, like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, has rejoiced as a giant to run his course; his going out is from the highest heaven” (there you have the Lord's coming in the flesh) “and his return to the height of it” (there you have the resurrection and ascension), “and there is none who can hide himself from his heat”: there you have the coming of the Holy Spirit, whom he sent in fiery tongues to show the fervour of love; which surely he does not have who does not keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace with the church that is in all tongues.
Ps 19:3 (18:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 19:4 (18:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 19:5 (18:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 19:6 (18:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Sam 12:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 4:3 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The gift of tongues at Pentecost foreshadowed a church speaking in all languages, visible to all, as Psalm 19 foretold.
- Ps 19:3–6 (18:4–7 LXX/Vulg., whose wording “in the sun he has set his tabernacle” Augustine follows); Matt 5:14; 2 Sam 12:12 (2 Kgdms 12:12 LXX); Eph 4:3.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (joined words (OCR)): terramexiuit → terram exiuit.
Topics: Heresy, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.74 (CSEL 52:62–63; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-74). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.75CSEL 52:63–64
Iam uero quod unum quidem baptismum esse dixisti, sed tamen tribus gradibus consecratum, ipsaque tria sic personis singulis dispertitus es, ut aquam Iohanni, spiritum sanctum domino Iesu Christo et ignem tertium paracleto desuper misso tribueris, quantus error sit parumper aduerte. eo quippe ductus es ut ita sentires, quia Iohannes ait: ego quidem baptizo in aqua, qui autem post me uenit maior me est; ipse uos baptizat in spiritu sancto et igni, nec considerare uoluisti non tria tribus singillatim esse coaptata, aquam Iohanni, spiritum Christo, ignem paracleto, sed tria haec ad duos potius pertinere, unum ad Iohannem et duo cetera ad dominum. neque enim dictum est: ego quidem uos baptizo in aqua, qui autem post me uenit maior me est, cuius non sum dignus calciamenta portare; ipse uos baptizat in spiritu sancto, qui autem post illum uenturus est paracletus ipse uos baptizat in igni, sed: ego quidem, inquit, in aqua, qui autem post me uenit in spiritu sancto e t igni. unum sibi tribuit, illi duo. uides ergo quemadmodum te fefellit numerus. adhuc attende. unum dixisti baptismum tribus gradibus consecratum, aqua, spiritu sancto et igni, et tres personas per singula posuisti, Iohannem ad aquam, Christum ad spiritum, paracletum ad ignem. si ergo aqua Iohannis ad eundem pertinet cuius unitas commendatur, non debuerunt baptizari iubente Paulo apostolo quos compererat baptizatos a Iohanne; iam enim habebant aquam ad eundem, sicut dicis, baptismum pertinentem. restabat ut spiritum et ignem acciperent, quia defuerant Iohanni, ut compleretur baptismus tribus, ut asseris, gradibus consecratus. cum uero auctoritate apostolica iussi sunt baptizari, satis declaratum est aquam illam Iohannis non pertinere ad baptismum Christi, sed pro necessario tempore alterius dispensationis fuisse.
Now as for your saying that baptism is indeed one but consecrated in three stages, and your dividing these three among single persons, so that you assigned the water to John, the Holy Spirit to the Lord Jesus Christ, and the fire third to the Paraclete sent from above: consider for a moment how great an error this is. You were led to think so because John says, “I indeed baptize in water, but he who comes after me is greater than I; he baptizes you in the Holy Spirit and fire.” You did not choose to consider that the three are not fitted singly to three, the water to John, the Spirit to Christ, the fire to the Paraclete, but rather that these three belong to two: one to John and the other two to the Lord. For it was not said, “I indeed baptize you in water, but he who comes after me is greater than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry; he baptizes you in the Holy Spirit; and the Paraclete who is to come after him, he baptizes you in fire,” but: “I indeed,” he says, “in water; but he who comes after me, in the Holy Spirit and fire.” He assigned one to himself, two to him. So you see how the number deceived you. Pay further attention. You said that one baptism was consecrated in three stages, by water, Holy Spirit, and fire, and you set three persons to the three, John to the water, Christ to the Spirit, the Paraclete to the fire. If, then, John's water belongs to the same baptism whose unity is commended, those whom the apostle Paul found baptized by John ought not to have been baptized at his command; for they already had water belonging, as you say, to the same baptism. It remained for them to receive the Spirit and the fire, which John lacked, so that the baptism consecrated, as you assert, in three stages might be completed. But since they were ordered by apostolic authority to be baptized, it is clearly declared that John's water did not belong to the baptism of Christ, but served for the time required by another dispensation.
Matt 3:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 19:5 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: John assigns water to himself and both Spirit and fire to Christ; and Paul's rebaptism of John's disciples shows John's water was not part of Christ's baptism.
- Matt 3:11; Acts 19:1–5.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.75 (CSEL 52:63–64; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-75). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).