Against the Arians 16–23
Latin text: PL 20 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, vol. 20, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 16
16PL 20:24c–25c
Patrem, inquit, initium non habere. Hoc est dicere, Filium habere. Nam quae necessitas id de Patre asseverare quod notum est, nisi praejudicium ejus opinionis quae de Filio paria suscepit? Patrem, inquit, initium non habere. Quis negat? Sed puto, et imago invisibilis et ingeniti Dei non potest coepisse post Deum. Denique interroganti Moysi quis esset, respondit: Ego sum qui sum semper. Erat enim semper, qui est et erit semper. De quo Joannes: Quod erat ab initio, oculis nostris vidimus. Et rursum: Annuntiamus vobis vitam aeternam quae erat apud Patrem: utique et in Patre: nam quod ex ipso erat, extra ipsum esse non poterat. Et sane cum dicitur: Erat in ipso tempus, non ipse fuisse in tempore nuntiatur. AEternae enim substantiae vis non facta est a Deo, sed egressa a Deo, ideo, Et ego, inquit, a Patre exivi: et, Ego et Pater unum sumus; et: Qui me videt, videt et Patrem; et: Ego in Patre, et Pater in me; et: Qui me misit, mecum est. Ideo et David: Tecum principium in die virtutis tuae. Dei enim Verbum, hoc est, Dei Filius, ante omne principium cum eo qui ex eo, et in eo cui nullum potest esse principium. Invenimus quidem dixisse Salomonem ex persona Sapientiae (quam Christum esse defendimus): Dominus condidit me, et ante saeculum fundavit me, et prior abysso genita sum. Sed non ideo credendum est, Deum factum. Nam si factus est, non fuit: si non fuit, non erit. Et quomodo Deus, cui, ne Deus sit, utraque conditio praescribitur? Ideo autem Sapientia Dei nata et condita nuntiatur, ne quid praeter ipsum Deum Patrem, qui est etiam suis origo virtutibus, crederetur in natura. Exinde enim recte diceretur: Ex ipso, et in ipso creata Sapientia, ex quo effulsit ab eo unigenita et beata nativitas. Qui ergo probaverit sine Verbo, sine sapientia, sine ratione, sine virtute, sine Spiritu aliquando Patrem fuisse; is probavit cum Patre et in Patre Filium ante omne principium non fuisse. Tamen nescio si his virtutibus carens Pater possit Deus dici. Non modo enim Deus qui in sua aeternitate perfectus est, sed nec creatura quidem ulla secundum suum genus non consummata constabit. Non potest enim quid esse, quod non sit; non erit autem, si id illi defuerit, quod esse debebit. Totum igitur defuit Patri, si aliquid defuit de toto. Defuit autem, si Filius suus, hoc est virtutum suarum plenitudo, initio non caret: et necesse est hanc opinionem alterutram blasphemiae partem profana et sacrilega finitione transire. Aut enim Pater credendus est cum Filio suo initium fuisse sortitus, quia sine Filio, hoc est sine virtutibus suis, esse non potuit; et erit auctor huic illorum initio nescio quis tertius Deus: aut si solus ipse sine initio dicitur usque ad Filii generationem, imperfectus fuisse dicendus est. Imperfectus enim, si coepit habere quod ante non habere voluit. Is omnia autem habere debuit semper, qui semper debuit esse perfectus: quia non recipit augmentum quidquid occupaverit totum.
“The Father,” it says, “has no beginning.” That is to say, the Son has one. For what necessity is there to assert of the Father what is known, unless as a prejudgment of the opinion that has taken up the opposite about the Son? “The Father,” it says, “has no beginning.” Who denies it? But I think the image too of the invisible and unbegotten God cannot have begun after God. Indeed, when Moses asked who he was, he answered: “I am who I am always.” For he always was, who is and always will be. Of whom John says: “What was from the beginning we have seen with our eyes.” And again: “We announce to you the eternal life which was with the Father”: surely also in the Father; for what was from him could not be outside him. And indeed, when it is said, “Time was in him,” it is not declared that he himself was in time. For the power of the eternal substance was not made by God but went forth from God; therefore he says: “And I came forth from the Father”; and: “I and the Father are one”; and: “He who sees me sees the Father too”; and: “I in the Father, and the Father in me”; and: “He who sent me is with me.” Therefore David too says: “With you is the beginning in the day of your power.” For the Word of God, that is, the Son of God, is before every beginning, with him from whom he is, and in him for whom there can be no beginning. We find indeed that Solomon said in the person of Wisdom (whom we maintain to be Christ): “The Lord created me, and before the age he founded me, and before the abyss I was begotten.” But it must not be believed on that account that God was made. For if he was made, he was not; if he was not, he will not be. And how is he God, for whom both conditions are prescribed so that he may not be God? But the Wisdom of God is declared born and created so that nothing besides God the Father himself, who is also the origin of his powers, should be believed to be in nature. For from that point it could rightly be said: “Wisdom created from him and in him,” from whom that only-begotten and blessed birth shone forth from him. Whoever, then, proves that the Father was at some time without Word, without wisdom, without reason, without power, without Spirit, has proved that the Son was not with the Father and in the Father before every beginning. Yet I do not know whether the Father, lacking these powers, could be called God. For not only God, who is perfect in his eternity, but not even any creature will stand if it is not complete according to its kind. For something cannot be what it is not; and it will not be, if what it ought to be is lacking to it. So the whole was lacking to the Father, if anything was lacking of the whole. And it was lacking, if his Son, that is, the fullness of his powers, is not without beginning; and this opinion must necessarily pass over into one side or the other of blasphemy by a profane and sacrilegious definition. For either the Father must be believed to have been allotted a beginning together with his Son, since he could not be without the Son, that is, without his powers; and the author of this beginning of theirs will be some third God, I know not who; or, if he alone is said to be without beginning until the begetting of the Son, he must be said to have been imperfect. For imperfect, if he began to have what before he did not have. But he who ought always to be perfect ought always to have all things, because whatever has taken up the whole admits no increase.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Col 1:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 3:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · John 16:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:10 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 110:3 (109:3 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 8:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 8:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 8:24 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius argues that the Father’s having no beginning does not imply that the Son has one, since the Father was never without his Word and Wisdom, and he explains Prov 8:22 of Wisdom’s eternal birth.
- “I am who I am always” is Phoebadius’s expanded form of Exod 3:14.
- “Time was in him” (Erat in ipso tempus) is a doubtful reading; perhaps a corruption of a phrase from John 1:1–4.
- “The Lord created me …” is Prov 8:22–25 in the Old Latin, a central text in the Arian controversy.
- “Wisdom created from him and in him” is the sense of a compressed sentence; translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): videt ei Patrem → videt et Patrem.
Topics: Trinity, Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 16 (PL 20:24c–25c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 17
17PL 20:25d–26c
Patrem, inquiunt, initium non habere, invisibilem esse, immortalem esse, impassibilem esse. Haec ideo proponunt, ut contraria his Filio ascribant. Quidquid enim de Patre negant, de Filio confitentur; qui si habere initium probatur, merito mortalis, merito passibilis. Praejudicatum quidem esse deberet, et caetera passionum genera in Filium non convenire, prima propositionis specie destructa, quae initium dabat Dei Verbo. Ne quid tamen diffidentia prae caeteris quae sunt profane proposita, retractemus. Nam ut initium non habenti, ascribi caetera quae sunt huic definitioni subjecta, non possunt: ita si uni eorum affinis deprehenditur, aequum est etiam illa quae fuerant defensa, dissolvi. Invisibilem, inquit, Patrem esse. Quasi vero usquam inveniamus vel Filium sine transfiguratione fuisse visibilem, antequam Patri obediens fieret ex aeternitate corporeus. Quamvis enim et Abrahae visus sit, et Jacob, et Moysi, et Isaiae, et Ezechieli; tamen visionis illius qualitas explicatur. In somno enim et in speculo et in aenigmate visus refertur. Denique et Moysi postulanti ut cognoscenter eum videret, Nemo potest, inquit, faciem meam videre: quia nemo qui eam viderit, vivet. Ergo hoc loco aut Patrem locutum fuisse contendant, qui invisibilem esse se dicit: aut si Filium non negant, hunc locutum sciant, et illum suo nomine invisibilem fuisse, ut Sermonem, ut Spiritum. Invisibilis Deus denique quomodo visus sit, eadem scriptura testatur. Refert enim locutum cum eo Deum, tamquam ad amicum, facie ad faciem. Ac deinceps subjungit postulasse Moysem, ut faciem ejus videret: quam utique si viderat, non statim postulasset videndam. Ait quidem Jacob: Vidi Dominum facie ad faciem, et salva facta est anima mea: sed quomodo eam faciem videndo salvatus est, quae, si videatur, occidit? Quomodo et Dominus ostenderat faciem suam, quam videri non posse postmodum dixit, nisi illa conditione qua supra diximus, in speculo scilicet et in aenigmate, in somnio et visione? Hoc est ergo, illam visibilem materiam assumpsisse cum placuit, statim vero invisibilem perseverare: quia necesse est, si visibilis docetur, non ex eo illum esse quem invisibilem confitemur.
“The Father,” they say, “has no beginning, is invisible, is immortal, is impassible.” They propose these things so as to ascribe their contraries to the Son. For whatever they deny of the Father they confess of the Son; and if he is proved to have a beginning, rightly he is mortal, rightly passible. It ought indeed to be prejudged that the other kinds of passions also do not fit the Son, once the first appearance of their proposition, which gave a beginning to the Word of God, has been destroyed. Yet lest anything be distrusted, let us go over the other things that are profanely proposed. For as the other things subject to this definition cannot be ascribed to one who has no beginning, so, if he is found akin to one of them, it is fair that those too which had been defended should be dissolved. “The Father,” it says, “is invisible.” As if we ever found that the Son was visible without transfiguration, before, obedient to the Father, he became bodily from eternity. For although he was seen by Abraham, and Jacob, and Moses, and Isaiah, and Ezekiel, yet the quality of that seeing is explained: for he is reported to have been seen in sleep, and in a mirror, and in a riddle. Indeed, to Moses, when he asked to see him knowingly, he said: “No one can see my face; for no one who sees it will live.” So in this place let them either contend that the Father spoke, who says he is invisible; or, if they do not deny that it was the Son, let them know that he spoke, and that he was invisible in his own nature, as Word, as Spirit. Indeed the same Scripture testifies how the invisible God was seen. For it reports that God spoke with him as with a friend, face to face. And then it adds that Moses asked to see his face; which surely, if he had seen it, he would not at once have asked to see. Jacob indeed says: “I saw the Lord face to face, and my soul was saved”; but how was he saved by seeing that face which kills if it is seen? And how had the Lord shown his face, which he afterwards said could not be seen, except on the condition we stated above, namely in a mirror and in a riddle, in a dream and a vision? This, then, is how he took on that visible matter when it pleased him, but at once remained invisible; because it must be that, if he is taught to be visible, he is not from him whom we confess to be invisible.
Gen 18:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 32:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 6:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Ezek 1:28 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 12:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 12:8 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 33:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 33:20 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius argues that the Son, like the Father, is invisible in his divine nature, since the Old Testament appearances of God were seen only in dreams, mirrors, and visions.
- “Before … he became bodily from eternity” is a confused phrase (ex aeternitate corporeus); translated by sense: before the incarnation.
- “In a mirror and in a riddle” follows Num 12:6–8 and 1 Cor 13:12.
- The last sentence argues that if the Son were visible by nature he could not be from the invisible Father.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's footnote letter leaked into the text; OCR slip): contraria bis Filio → contraria his Filio; loculum fuisse → locutum fuisse; statim a postulasset → statim postulasset.
Topics: Trinity, Christology, Heresy, Arianism
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 17 (PL 20:25d–26c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 18
18PL 20:26c–27a
Sed hanc assertionem, ut quaestionibus Testamenti veteris expediant, de novo Testamento sumunt confirmationem. Ait enim Dominus et Deus cum de Patre loqueretur, nulli Patris imaginem visam: quod si imago Patris ipse est Filius, ut Apostolus probat, negat visibilem fuisse, dicendo, nulli Patris imaginem visam. Et ideo, Nec me, inquit, nostis, neque Patrem meum. Et hic certe duos confirmat ignotos, tam autem duos quam inseparatos. Nam si ipsum nossent, et Patrem nossent: quia per individuitatem neque sciri neque ignorari alter sine altero poterat. Similis igitur de mortali et passibili ratio subsequitur. Nam si neque initium habet Filius, utpote qui semper in eo et fuerit et sit, cui initium non datur; neque visibilis, qui in sinu invisibilis perseverat: jam nec mortalis nec passibilis habendus est, ex ea tamen substantiae parte qua Deus. Scimus enim nihil spiritum Dei passum, dumtaxat suo nomine: quia impassibilis Deus, quia Deus spiritus. Scimus quod omnis illa passio proprie carnis et animae, id est hominis: in quo quidem homine cum pateretur erat et Filius Dei cohaerens illi per naturam (a quo venerat) Patri; et unitatis vinculum servans, in terris hominem gestabat, nec aberat a coelis. Sic mediator dictus, sic sequester utriusque substantiae. Non ergo passibilis Dei spiritus, licet in homine suo passus: quem ideo nec in passione deseruit, ut ei pati posse praestaret: quod nisi ita recipitur, fidei nostrae ratio non stabit, dantis scilicet ei hominis infirmitatem quem Deum non negant. Nam si et initium habens dicitur, et visibilis docetur, et mortalis inducitur; non video ab homine quid distet, in quem regnant hujusmodi passiones.
But to free themselves from the questions of the Old Testament, they take confirmation of this assertion from the New Testament. For the Lord and God, speaking of the Father, said that no one had seen the image of the Father; and if the Son himself is the image of the Father, as the Apostle proves, he denies that he was visible by saying that no one had seen the image of the Father. And so he says: “You know neither me nor my Father.” And here he certainly confirms that two are unknown, two, however, as unseparated. For if they had known him, they would have known the Father too; because through their indivisibility neither could be known or unknown without the other. A similar reasoning follows about mortal and passible. For if the Son has no beginning, since he always was and is in him to whom no beginning is given; nor is visible, who remains in the bosom of the invisible: then he is to be held neither mortal nor passible, in that part of his substance by which he is God. For we know that the Spirit of God suffered nothing in its own right, because God is impassible, because God is spirit. We know that all that suffering belonged properly to the flesh and soul, that is, to the man; in which man, when he suffered, the Son of God was also present, cleaving by nature to the Father (from whom he had come), and keeping the bond of unity: he bore man on earth and was not absent from heaven. So he is called mediator, so the trustee of both substances. The Spirit of God, then, is not passible, though he suffered in his man; whom he did not desert even in the passion, so as to grant him the ability to suffer. Unless this is accepted, the reasoning of our faith will not stand, since it would give the weakness of a man to him whom they do not deny to be God. For if he is both said to have a beginning, and taught to be visible, and brought in as mortal, I do not see how he differs from a man, over whom passions of this kind reign.
John 5:37 (allusion, medium confidence) · Col 1:15 (allusion, high confidence) · John 8:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:18 (allusion, high confidence) · John 4:24 (allusion, high confidence) · John 3:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius argues that the Son, as God, is neither visible, mortal, nor passible; the sufferings belonged to the human nature, to which the Son was united without leaving heaven.
- “No one had seen the image of the Father” loosely reflects John 5:37 (“you have never seen his form”).
- “The trustee of both substances” renders sequester utriusque substantiae (compare Tertullian, On the Resurrection 51).
- “Spirit” here, as in Tertullian, means the divine nature of the Son.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (uncertain character in the digital text, restored): i(??) eo → in eo; S(??)imus → Scimus.
Topics: Trinity, Christology, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 18 (PL 20:26c–27a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/18
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Chapter 19
19PL 20:27b–28a
Confitemur, inquiunt, Filium Dei, Deum ex Deo, lumen de lumine. Videri quidem sacrilegum non potest, perfectam fidei catholicae professionem, maligna disputatione vexare; sed concedendum non est ut tollatur nobis illud quod nobiscum non tenent, per hoc quod nobiscum tenent. Agnoscimus igitur et cum veneratione suscipimus communis fidei verba, sed quid faciemus? Sic vesana Ariomanitarum doctrina tradit. Et ipsa enim, dicens Deum ex Deo, lumen ex lumine, facit ex Deo alterum Deum, ex lumine alterum lumen: ut sit Filius ex Patre et non in Patre, hoc est, ut factus Deus a Deo, non sit unigenitus in Deo. Sed quid hic amplius, cum nonnullorum ex iis qui nuper ad nos hanc fidem egregiam miserunt, scripta teneantur, quibus dicentes Deum ex Deo, lumen ex lumine: tamen separatum a Patre et penitus excisum haeretica disputatione docuerunt? Ipsum inquiunt Filium Dei hominem de Maria suscepisse per quem compassus est. Congruo igitur omnia fine claudentes, quod mente conceperant, scriptura confessi sunt, respondente (??) sensui suo, et occulta eorum venena reserante: dicentes scilicet Filium Dei hominem de Maria suscepisse per quem compassus est. Primum, non video cur maluerint compassibilem dicere, quam libere passibilem confiteri. Quasi vero aliud sit compati quam pati. Porro autem si impassibilis Deus, utique et incompassibilis. Tam ergo compassus non est, quam nec passus est, ex ea tamen conditione qua Deus. Denique Apostolus: Passus est, inquit, ex infirmitate, utique carnis (caro enim infirma; spiritus promptus); sed vivit ex virtute Dei: utique ex semetipso. Ipse enim Dei virtus, habens vitam in semetipso: quod credimus Dominum nostrum ex duabus substantiis constitisse, humana scilicet atque divina; et ita illum immortalem fuisse divina, ut mortalem ea quae fuerit humana: ex una enim natus, ex alia probatus: ex una immortalis, ex alia mortalis. Denique idem Apostolus, Christus, inquit, mortuus est: id est, unctus: hoc enim nomen ad unctionem deducitur. Si ergo non aliud quam caro uncta est; caro igitur tantummodo mortua dicitur, quoties Christus mortuus nuntiatur.
“We confess,” they say, “the Son of God, God from God, light from light.” It may seem sacrilegious to harass a perfect profession of the Catholic faith with malicious argument; but it must not be conceded that what they do not hold with us should be taken from us by means of what they do hold with us. We acknowledge, then, and receive with reverence the words of the common faith; but what shall we do? This is how the insane teaching of the Ariomaniacs hands it down. For it too, saying God from God, light from light, makes from God another God, from light another light, so that the Son is from the Father and not in the Father; that is, that, made God by God, he is not the only-begotten in God. But what more is needed here, when writings are held of some of those who lately sent us this excellent faith, in which, while saying God from God, light from light, they nevertheless taught by heretical argument that he was separated from the Father and wholly cut off? They say that the Son of God himself took up from Mary a man through whom he suffered with him. Closing everything, then, with a fitting end, they confessed in writing what they had conceived in mind, the writing answering to their meaning and unlocking their hidden poisons: saying, namely, that the Son of God took up from Mary a man through whom he suffered with him. First, I do not see why they preferred to say “co-passible” rather than freely confess “passible.” As if to suffer with were anything other than to suffer. But further, if God is impassible, surely he is also incapable of suffering with. So he no more suffered with than he suffered, in that condition by which he is God. Indeed the Apostle says: “He suffered from weakness,” surely of the flesh (for the flesh is weak, the spirit willing); “but he lives by the power of God”: surely from himself. For he himself is the power of God, having life in himself. So we believe that our Lord consisted of two substances, namely human and divine; and that he was immortal in the divine as he was mortal in that which was human: born from the one, proved from the other; immortal from the one, mortal from the other. Indeed the same Apostle says: “Christ died”: that is, the anointed; for this name is derived from anointing. If, then, nothing other than the flesh was anointed, then only the flesh is said to have died whenever Christ is declared to have died.
2 Cor 13:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:41 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:6 (quotation, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 15:3 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius warns that the Arians use “God from God, light from light” to make the Son a second, separate God, and rejects their claim that the Son “suffered with” the man he took, since as God he is impassible.
- “Ariomaniacs” renders Ariomanitarum, a polemical pun (“Arian madmen”) found also in Athanasius.
- “He suffered from weakness … lives by the power of God” follows 2 Cor 13:4 (“crucified in weakness”).
- “Born from the one, proved from the other”: the sense is uncertain; perhaps that his human birth was from Mary and his divinity shown by his works.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray full stop; uncertain character in the digital text; uncertain character in the digital text, restored; uncertain characters in the digital text, restored): lumen(??) de lumine → lumen de lumine; ex lumi(??)e → ex lumine; scripta (??)enea(??)tur → scripta teneantur; (??)amen separatum (??) Patre → tamen separatum a Patre; Ipse enim. Dei → Ipse enim Dei.
Topics: Christology, Trinity, Heresy, Passion and death of Christ
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 19 (PL 20:27b–28a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/19
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Chapter 20
20PL 20:28a–28d
Sed si quis extorquere e duobus alterum velit, ut aut unum Deum singulariter determinemus, si unum fatemur; aut duos libere proferamus, si et Patrem Deum et Filium Deum dicimus: illud ante omnia sciatur, nec unum nos cum praejudicio, nec duos dicere; quia unum dicimus in duobus ipso Domino suggerente: Ego et Pater unum sumus, ut duo crederentur in una virtute. Non enim dixit tamquam ex una persona, Patris et Filii, quasi Filius Patrem se confirmans: Filius meus sum; et: Ego hodie genui me; et: Ante luciferum genui me; et, Dominus condidit me initium viarum mearum; et: Ante saecula fundavit me; et: Ego et Pater unum sum: sed reddens notitiam sacramenti distinctione, non divisione personarum: Ego, inquit, in Patre, et Pater in me: Ego et Pater unum sumus: et: Qui me videt, videt et Patrem: videri enim Patris Filius, imago vera et figura expressa substantiae ejus, hoc est Dei Sermo, non sonus vocis, sed res substantiva ac per substantiam corpulentiva. Non enim sine substantia constitit, quod de tanta substantia fecit. Nihil ergo vacuum de pleno, nihil inane de solido: quia Dei Sermo, spiritus Dei, Christus, instructus est; et, ut evidentius dicam, Sermonis corpus est: corpus enim spiritus, sed corpus sui generis. Nam et invisibilis et incomprehensibilis spiritus. Numquid tamen inane et vacua res Deus? Deus enim spiritus est. Denique: Nemo scit, inquit, quae sunt in Deo, nisi spiritus qui in ipso est. Legimus quidem: Quis cognovit sensum Domini, aut quis consiliarius ejus fuit? Nemo utique, sed extra spiritum suum nemo: quum spiritum propheta sapientem, architectum et mirabilem consiliarium dicit: nec immerito. Nam idem spiritus Sermo et sapientia Dei est: ex cujus persona Salomon: Cum pararet, inquit, coelum, ego aderam illi; et: Ego, inquit, eram cum illo, et mihi adgaudebat. Non ergo consiliarius nemo, quia per ipsum facta sunt universa quae facta sunt. Denique cum eadem sapientia et Verbum Dei, et spiritus Dei sit, singulorum tamen nominum officia nuntiantur. Sapientia condenti omnia Patri aderat: Sermone ejus coeli solidati sunt, et spiritu oris ejus omnis virtus eorum. Apparet ergo unum eumdemque venisse nunc in nomine spiritus, nunc in appellatione sapientiae.
But if anyone wishes to force one of two things from us, that either we define one God singularly, if we confess one, or freely declare two, if we call both the Father God and the Son God, let this be known before all: that we say neither one with prejudice nor two; because we say one in two, at the Lord’s own suggestion: “I and the Father are one,” so that two might be believed in one power. For he did not say, as though from one person of Father and Son, as if the Son were affirming himself to be the Father: “I am my own son”; and: “Today I have begotten myself”; and: “Before the morning star I begot myself”; and: “The Lord created me the beginning of my ways”; and: “Before the ages he founded me”; and: “I and the Father am one.” But, making the mystery known by a distinction, not a division, of persons, he says: “I in the Father, and the Father in me”; “I and the Father are one”; and: “He who sees me sees the Father too.” For the Son of the Father is seen, the true image and express figure of his substance, that is, the Word of God, not the sound of a voice but a substantive thing, and corporeal through substance. For what he made from so great a substance did not consist without substance. Nothing, then, empty from what is full, nothing void from what is solid: because the Word of God, the Spirit of God, Christ, is equipped; and, to put it more plainly, he is the body of the Word: for spirit is body, but body of its own kind. For spirit is invisible and incomprehensible. Yet is God an empty and void thing? For God is spirit. Indeed: “No one knows,” he says, “what is in God except the spirit that is in him.” We read indeed: “Who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counsellor?” No one, surely, but no one apart from his own spirit; since the prophet calls the spirit wise, an architect, and a wonderful counsellor; and not without reason. For the same spirit is the Word and Wisdom of God, in whose person Solomon says: “When he was preparing heaven, I was present with him”; and: “I was with him,” he says, “and he rejoiced in me.” So it is not that he had no counsellor, since through him were made all things that were made. Indeed, though the same is the Wisdom and the Word of God and the Spirit of God, yet the offices of the individual names are declared. Wisdom was present with the Father as he founded all things; by his Word the heavens were made firm, and by the spirit of his mouth all their power. It is clear, then, that one and the same came now under the name of spirit, now under the title of wisdom.
John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 110:3 (109:3 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 8:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 8:23 (allusion, high confidence) · John 14:10 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · John 4:24 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 40:13 (allusion, medium confidence) · Isa 9:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 8:27 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 8:30 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 33:6 (32:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius argues that Father and Son are one God in two persons, distinct but not divided, and that the Son is the Word, Wisdom, and Spirit of God, a real substance, not an empty sound.
- The ironical sayings (“I am my own son,” “Today I have begotten myself,” “I and the Father am one”) show what Christ would have said if Father and Son were one person (the Sabellian view).
- “Corporeal through substance” renders corpulentiva; Phoebadius follows Tertullian (Against Praxeas 7) in calling spirit a “body of its own kind,” meaning a real substance.
- “Wonderful counsellor” is Isa 9:6; “wise architect” is perhaps Prov 8:30 or 1 Cor 3:10.
- Here “Spirit of God” names the divine nature of the Son, as in Tertullian; the Holy Spirit is treated in 22.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): Ego, iuquit → Ego, inquit; adgandebat → adgaudebat; spiritu orit → spiritu oris; vonisse → venisse.
Extrabiblical texts: Tertullian, Prax. 7 (Against Praxeas; allusion)
Topics: Trinity, Christology, The Holy Spirit
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 20 (PL 20:28a–28d; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 21
21PL 20:28d–29c
Ergo hic Sermo, cum in forma Dei esset, sapientia et ratione et spiritus virtute constructus, hoc est, totam vim Dei possidens, non se Deo Patri adaequavit, sed formam servi accipiens humiliavit se usque ad mortem. Induerat enim quod servire, quod mori posset: hominem scilicet quem excitatum exhibuit ad coelum, et secundus Adam per obedientiam restitueret quod primus transgressione perdiderat. Si qui igitur adhuc et de Apostolo requirit dominicum statum, id est, singularis substantiae qualitatem, quae per naturam auctori suo jungatur, audiat ad compendium quid idem Apostolus senserit, cum Dei Patris investigabiles vias et recondita retro sacramenta loqueretur. Ex ipso, inquit, et per ipsum, et in ipso omnia. Cum dicitur per ipsum, agnosco Filium significari: legi enim, Per ipsum omnia. Cum in ipso nuntiatur, nihil novi est; in ipso enim omnium seminum initia constiterunt. Sed cum refertur, ex ipso, certe ad Patrem ut ad rerum omnium respicitur auctorem. Et si ita est, ut est, quomodo his ratio constabit distincta jungentibus, hoc est referentibus ad unum omnia; cum alius sit, ex quo omnia; et alius, per quem omnia? quia alius ingenitus, alius unigenitus, nisi alia conditione qua recte dicitur: et ex Filio omnia, dum in ejus corde est per naturam, ex quo omnia; et per Patrem omnia, dum in eo semper est, per quem omnia. Pater enim sensu agit: Filius vero qui in Patre sensus est, videns perficit. Non ergo Apostolum temere pronuntiasse credendum est: sed illud credendum non ita est credidisse, Filium scilicet Dei secundum carnem factum esse quod non erat, secundum spiritum vero esse quod fuerit; quia quod fuit semper, non potest non fuisse.
So this Word, when he was in the form of God, built up by the power of wisdom and reason and spirit, that is, possessing the whole power of God, did not make himself equal to God the Father, but, taking the form of a slave, humbled himself even to death. For he had put on what could serve, what could die: namely the man, whom, raised up, he presented to heaven, so that as the second Adam he might restore by obedience what the first had lost by transgression. If anyone, then, still asks of the Apostle about the Lord’s status, that is, about the quality of his singular substance, which is joined by nature to its author, let him hear in brief what the same Apostle thought when he spoke of the unsearchable ways of God the Father and the mysteries long hidden. “From him,” he says, “and through him, and in him are all things.” When “through him” is said, I recognize that the Son is meant: for I have read, “Through him all things.” When “in him” is declared, there is nothing new; for in him the beginnings of all seeds have consisted. But when “from him” is said, certainly it looks to the Father as the author of all things. And if this is so, as it is, how will the reasoning stand for those who join distinct things, that is, who refer all to one, since one is he from whom are all things, and another he through whom are all things, because one is unbegotten, the other only-begotten, unless on another condition by which it is rightly said both that all things are from the Son, since he from whom are all things is in his heart by nature, and that all things are through the Father, since he through whom are all things is always in him? For the Father acts by thought, but the Son, who is the thought in the Father, seeing, accomplishes. So it must not be believed that the Apostle spoke rashly; but it must be believed that he did not believe this, namely that the Son of God according to the flesh was made what he was not, while according to the spirit he is what he was; because what always was cannot not have been.
Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:19 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:45 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:33 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 16:25 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 11:36 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:3 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 1:4 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius explains Phil 2 of the Word’s self-humbling and Rom 11:36 (“from him, through him, in him”) of the distinct but inseparable Father and Son.
- The heading “Locus Rom. xi, 36 expositus” (“Rom 11:36 explained”) is Migne’s and was removed from the text; so was a repeated phrase.
- The final sentence is difficult; the text perhaps means that the Apostle did believe that the Son became according to the flesh what he was not, while remaining according to the spirit what he was. It is translated as it stands.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's heading leaked into the text; repeated words; stray full stop; uncertain character in the digital text, restored): Locus Rom. xi, 36 expositus. Ergo → Ergo; sapientia et ratione et spiritus ratione et spiritus virtute → sapientia et ratione et spiritus virtute; Filium scilicet. Dei → Filium scilicet Dei; er(??)t → erat.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 21 (PL 20:28d–29c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 22
22PL 20:29c–30b
Tenenda est igitur ratio quae per arduum et augustum tramitem repit, circumjacentibus hinc et inde praeruptis quae zabolica fraude caecata plana et facilia submittunt, ut in ruinam mergant excessus. Nam si unum Deum singulariter nominamus, excludentes vocabulum secundae personae, furorem ejus haeresis approbamus, quae ipsum asserit Patrem passum. Si admittimus numerum cum divisione, jungimur cum Arianis, qui factum a Deo Deum, novamque asserunt ex nihilo substantiam constitisse. Tenenda est igitur, ut diximus, regula quae Filium in Patre, Patrem in Filio confitetur; quae unam in duabus personis substantiam servans, dispositionem divinitatis agnoscit. Igitur Pater Deus, et Filius Deus: quia in Patre Deo Filius Deus. Hoc si cui scandalum facit, audiat a nobis Spiritum esse de Deo; quia illi cui est in Filio secunda persona, est et tertia in Spiritu sancto. Denique Dominus: Petam, inquit, a Patre meo et alium advocatum dabit vobis. Sic alius a Filio Spiritus, sicut a Patre Filius. Sic tertia in Spiritu, ut in Filio secunda persona: unus tamen Deus omnia, tres unum sunt. Hoc credimus, hoc tenemus, quia hoc accepimus a prophetis: hoc nobis Evangelia locuta sunt: hoc apostoli tradiderunt: hoc martyres passione confessi sunt: in hoc mentibus fidei etiam haeremus, contra quod etiamsi angelus de coelo annuntiaverit, anathema sit.
We must hold, then, to the reasoning that creeps along a steep and narrow path, with precipices lying on this side and that, which, blinded by diabolical fraud, offer level and easy ground so as to plunge those who stray into ruin. For if we name one God singularly, excluding the word of a second person, we approve the madness of that heresy which asserts that the Father himself suffered. If we admit number with division, we are joined with the Arians, who assert that God was made by God and that a new substance came to be from nothing. We must hold, then, as we said, to the rule that confesses the Son in the Father and the Father in the Son; which, keeping one substance in two persons, acknowledges the dispensation of the divinity. So the Father is God, and the Son is God, because the Son is God in God the Father. If this makes a stumbling block for anyone, let him hear from us that the Spirit is from God; because he who has a second person in the Son has also a third in the Holy Spirit. Indeed the Lord says: “I will ask my Father, and he will give you another advocate.” So the Spirit is other than the Son, as the Son is other than the Father. So there is a third person in the Spirit, as a second in the Son: yet the one God is all, the three are one. This we believe, this we hold, because this we have received from the prophets; this the Gospels have spoken to us; this the apostles handed down; this the martyrs confessed by their suffering; to this we cling with minds of faith; and against this, even if an angel from heaven should preach, let him be accursed.
Matt 7:14 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 14:10 (allusion, high confidence) · John 14:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 5:7 (allusion, low confidence) · Gal 1:8 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius sets the Catholic rule between the Patripassian and Arian errors: one substance in distinct persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, one God.
- “The heresy which asserts that the Father himself suffered”: Patripassianism (Sabellianism).
- “Dispensation” renders dispositio (Greek oikonomia), as in Tertullian, Against Praxeas 2.
- “The three are one” recalls Tertullian, Against Praxeas 25 (compare 1 John 5:7–8).
Extrabiblical texts: Tertullian, Prax. 25 (Against Praxeas; allusion)
Topics: Trinity, Heresy, Monarchianism and Sabellianism, Arianism
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 22 (PL 20:29c–30b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 23
23PL 20:30b–30d
Sed non sum nescius, his omnibus discussis et in lucem intelligentiae publicae propositis, antiquissimi sacerdotis et promptae semper fidei Hosii nomen quasi quemdam in nos arietem temperari, quo contradictionis temeritas propulsetur. Sed hanc contra nos erigentibus machinam brevi admodum sermone respondeo. Non potest ejus auctoritate praescribi, quia aut nunc errat, aut semper erravit. Novit enim mundus quae in hanc tenuerit aetatem, qua constantia apud Sardicam et in Nicaeno tractatu assensus sit et damnaverit Arianos. Quid si diversa nunc sentit, et quaecumque ab eo retro damnata fuerant, defenduntur: quae defensa, damnantur? Rursum dico, non mihi ejus auctoritate praescribitur. Nam si nonaginta fere annis male credidit; post nonaginta illum recte sentire non credam. Aut si nunc recte, quid de his opinandum est, qui eadem signati fide in qua ipse erat, de saeculo transierunt? quid ei de ipso pronuntiaretur, si ante hanc synodum dormiisset? Ergo ut supra diximus, praejudicatae opinionis auctoritas nihil valebit, quia contra semetipsam ipsa consistit. Et sane legimus: Justitia justi non salvabit eum in quacumque die exerraverit. Amen.
But I am not unaware that, all these things having been discussed and set out in the light of public understanding, the name of Hosius, a most aged priest and of a faith always ready, is being prepared against us as a kind of battering ram, by which the rashness of contradiction may be driven back. But to those who raise this engine against us I reply in a very short speech. No prejudgment can be made by his authority, because either he is in error now, or he was always in error. For the world knows what he held until this age, with what firmness at Sardica and in the proceedings at Nicaea he assented and condemned the Arians. What if he now thinks otherwise, and whatever he formerly condemned is defended, and what he defended is condemned? I say again, no prejudgment is made against me by his authority. For if he believed wrongly for almost ninety years, I will not believe that after ninety he thinks rightly. Or if he is right now, what is to be thought of those who departed this world sealed with the same faith in which he himself was? What would be pronounced about him himself, if he had fallen asleep before this synod? So, as we said above, the authority of a prejudged opinion will be worth nothing, because it stands against itself. And indeed we read: “The righteousness of the righteous will not save him on whatever day he goes astray.” Amen.
Ezek 33:12 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Phoebadius answers the appeal to the aged Hosius of Cordoba, who had signed the Sirmian creed, by noting that his authority now contradicts his own past defence of Nicaea.
- Hosius of Cordoba (ca. 257–357/8), who presided at Nicaea and Sardica, was compelled in 357, at nearly a hundred years of age, to sign the Second Creed of Sirmium.
- The closing quotation is Ezek 33:12 in an Old Latin form.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; uncertain characters in the digital text, restored): apu(??) Sardicam et in Nicaeno tractat(??) → apud Sardicam et in Nicaeno tractatu; de bis opinandum → de his opinandum; exerra(??) → exerraverit.
Extrabiblical texts: Conc. Nic. (Creed and Canons of the Council of Nicaea (325); allusion)
Topics: Heresy, Trinity, Councils and creeds
Cite (SBL): Phoebadius, C. Arian. 23 (PL 20:30b–30d; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/phoebadius-contra-arianos/23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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