Against the Letter of Parmenian 3.14–3.25

Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 51 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra epistulam Parmeniani (CSEL 51, 1908), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).

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Chapter 3

3.14CSEL 51:115–118

Ad hoc enim et ipse apostolus ait: si quis frater nominatur. in eo quippe quod ait si quis nihil aliud uidetur significare uoluisse, nisi eum posse tali modo salubriter corrigi qui inter dissimiles peccat, id est inter eos quos peccatorum similium pestilentia non corrumpit. in eo uero quod ait nominatur hoc nimirum intellegi uoluit, parum esse ut sit quisque talis, nisi etiam nominetur id est famosus appareat, ut possit omnibus dignissima uideri quae in eum fuerit anathematis prolata sententia. ita enim et salua pace corrigitur et non interfectorie percutitur, sed medicinaliter uritur. propterea et de illo dixit quem tali medicina sanari uoluerat: satis est huic correptio haec quae (a) multis. neque enim potest esse salubris a multis correptio, nisi cum ille corripitur qui non habet sociam multitudinem. cum uero idem morbus plurimos occupauerit, nihil aliud bonis restat quam dolor et gemitus, ut per illud signum, quod Ezechieli sancto reuelatur, inlaesi euadere ab illorum uastatione mereantur — ad eum enim qui errare non potest clamant: ne comperdas cum impiis animam meam et cum uiris sanguinum uitam meam —, ne, cum uoluerint colligere zizania, eradicent simul et triticum nec per diligentiam segetem dominicam purgent, sed per temeritatem ipsi potius inter purgamenta numerentur. ideoque idem apostolus, cum iam multos comperisset immunda luxuria et fornicationibus inquinatos, ad eosdem Corinthios in secunda epistula scribens non identidem praecipit, ut cum talibus cibum non sumerent; multi enim erant nec dici de his poterat: si quis frater nominatur fornicarius aut auarus aut aliquid tale, cum eiusmodi nec quidem cibum simul sumere, sed ait: ne iterum cum uenero humilet me deus ad uos et lugeam multos ex his, qui ante peccauerunt et non egerunt paenitentiam super immunditia et luxuria et fornicatione quam gesserunt. per luctum suum potius eos diuino flagello cohercendos minatur quam per illam correptionem, ut ceteri se ab eorum coniunctione contineant. consequenter enim dicit: ecce tertio hoc ueniam ad uos. in ore duum uel trium testium stabit omne uerbum. praedixi et praedico, sicut praesens secundo et nunc absens, his qui ante peccauerunt et ceteris omnibus, quia si uenero iterum non parcam, quia probationem quaeritis eius qui in me loquitur Christi. quid aliud hic dixit: non parcam nisi quod superius ait: et lugeam, ut luctus eius impetraret flagellum a domino, quo illi corriperentur, qui iam propter multitudinem non poterant ita corripi, ut ab eorum coniunctione se ceteri continerent et eos erubescere facerent, sicut faciendum est, si quis frater in aliquo ceteris dissimili crimine nominatur? et reuera, cum contagio peccandi multitudinem inuaserit, diuinae disciplinae seuera misericordia necessaria est. nam consilia separationis et inania sunt et perniciosa atque sacrilega, quia et impia superbia fiunt et plus perturbant infirmos bonos quam corrigunt animosos malos. sicut ille fidelissimus testis auaritiae collegarum, cum ea mala tribulationum, quae patiebatur illo tempore ecclesia, censurae diuinae disciplinaeque tribueret, commemoratis quos nouerat episcoporum pessimis moribus, qui esurientibus fratribus habere argentum largiter uellent, fundos insidiosis fraudibus raperent, usuris multiplicantibus faenus augerent, quid non, inquit, perpeti tales pro peccatis huiusmodi mereremur? et deinde adhibet testimonium de psalmis dicens: cum iam pridem praemonuerit et dixerit censura diuina: si dereliquerint filii eius legem meam et in iudiciis meis non ambulauerint, si iustificationes meas profanauerint et praecepta mea non obseruauerint, uisitabo in uirga facinora eorum et in flagellis delicta eorum. misericordiam autem meam non dispergam ab eis.

For this the apostle himself says, ‘If anyone named a brother’. For in saying ‘if anyone’ he seems to have meant nothing else than that such a person can be corrected salutarily in this way when he sins among those unlike him, that is, among those whom the plague of similar sins does not corrupt. And in saying ‘named’ he certainly wished it to be understood that it is not enough that someone be such, unless he is also named, that is, appears notorious, so that the sentence of anathema pronounced against him may seem to all entirely deserved. For so he is both corrected with peace kept, and struck not fatally but cauterized medicinally. That is why he also said of the man whom he wished to be healed by such medicine: ‘Sufficient for such a one is this rebuke by the many.’ For a rebuke by the many cannot be salutary except when the one rebuked has no allied multitude. But when the same disease has seized very many, nothing remains for the good but grief and groaning, so that by that sign which was revealed to holy Ezekiel they may deserve to escape unharmed from their devastation (for they cry to him who cannot err, ‘Do not destroy my soul with the impious, nor my life with men of blood’); lest, wanting to gather the weeds, they root up the wheat as well, and, instead of cleaning the Lord’s crop by diligence, are rather themselves counted among the refuse by their rashness. And so the same apostle, when he had found that many were defiled with unclean licentiousness and immorality, did not, writing to the same Corinthians in the second letter, again command that they not eat with such men; for they were many, and it could not be said of them, ‘If anyone named a brother is sexually immoral or greedy or anything of the kind, not even to eat with such a one’; but he says: ‘Lest when I come again my God humble me before you, and I mourn many of those who sinned before and have not repented of the impurity and licentiousness and sexual immorality that they practised.’ He threatens that they will be restrained by the divine scourge through his mourning, rather than by that rebuke by which the others would abstain from association with them. For he says next: ‘See, this is the third time I am coming to you. By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall stand. I said before and I say beforehand, as when present the second time, and now absent, to those who sinned before and to all the others, that if I come again I will not spare, since you seek proof of Christ who speaks in me.’ What else did he say here with ‘I will not spare’ than what he said above, ‘and I mourn’, so that his mourning might obtain from the Lord a scourge by which those might be corrected who, because of their number, could no longer be corrected in such a way that the others would abstain from association with them and make them ashamed, as must be done if anyone named a brother is guilty of some crime unlike the rest? And indeed, when the contagion of sinning has invaded a multitude, the severe mercy of divine discipline is necessary. For plans of separation are both empty and ruinous and sacrilegious, because they arise from impious pride and disturb the weak good more than they correct the spirited bad. So that most faithful witness to the greed of his colleagues, when he attributed the evils of tribulation which the church was suffering at that time to divine censure and discipline, after recalling the very bad morals of the bishops he knew, who, while brothers were starving, wanted to have silver in abundance, seized estates by treacherous frauds, increased their gains by multiplying interest, said: ‘What should we not deserve to suffer for sins of this kind?’ And then he adds a testimony from the Psalms, saying: ‘Since the divine censure long ago warned beforehand and said: If his sons forsake my law and do not walk in my judgments, if they profane my statutes and do not keep my commandments, I will visit their crimes with a rod and their offences with scourges. But my mercy I will not scatter from them.’

1 Cor 5:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Ezek 9:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 26:9 (25:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:29 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:1–3 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:30–33 (88:31-Ps LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Excommunication works when one notorious sinner stands among the unlike; when sin has spread to many, Paul and Cyprian chose mourning and left correction to God’s scourge, since separation would harm the weak and is sacrilegious.

  • Sources: 1 Cor 5:11; 2 Cor 2:6; Ezek 9:4; Ps 26:9 (LXX and Vulgate 25:9); Matt 13:29; 2 Cor 12:21; 2 Cor 13:1–3; Cyprian, On the Lapsed 6, quoting Ps 89:30–33 (LXX and Vulgate 88:31–34). ‘(a)’ is the editor’s supplement. Run-together words and stray marks are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray backslashes in place of a period in the digital text; stray mark in the digital text; words run together in the digital text): simul sumere>, sed → simul sumere, sed; ambulauerintsiiustificationes measprofanauerint → ambulauerint, si iustificationes meas profanauerint; ab eis\\ → ab eis..

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Laps. 6 (On the Lapsed; quotation)

Topics: Church discipline and penance, Donatism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.14 (CSEL 51:115–118; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.15CSEL 51:118–119

Misericorditer igitur corripiat homo quod potest, quod autem non potest patienter ferat et cum dilectione gemat aut lugeat, donec aut ille desuper emendet et corrigat aut usque ad messem differat eradicare zizania et paleam uentilare. ut tamen securi de salute sua bonae spei christiani inter desperatos, quos corripere non ualent, in unitate uersentur, auferant malum a se ipsis, id est ut in ipsis non inueniatur quod eis in moribus displicet aliorum. cum enim dixisset apostolus: quid enim mihi de his qui foris sunt iudicare? nonne de his qui intus sunt uos iudicatis? de his autem qui foris sunt deus iudicabit, tamquam illi responderent: quid agimus, cum ita improborum multitudine premimur, ut iudicium nostrum in aliquam cohercitionem non possimus exerere?, auferte, inquit, malum ex uobis ipsis, id est: si non potestis auferre malos ex medio uestrum, ipsum malum auferte ex uobis ipsis. quodsi quisquam uelit sic intellegere quod dictum est: auferte malum ex uobis ipsis, ut per correptionem separationis de congregatione fratrum malus quisque auferendus sit, studio tamen sanandi, non odio perimendi esse faciendum nemo dubitauerit. et quis adhibendus sit modus temporaque seruanda, ne pax ecclesiae uioletur, in qua maxime tritico parcendum est, ne simul cum zizaniis eradicetur, quod in praesentia uisum est necessarium disseruimus. haec qui diligenter et pacifice cogitat, nec in conseruatione unitatis neglegit disciplinae seueritatem nec immoderatione cohercitionis dirrumpit uinculum societatis.

Let a man, then, correct mercifully what he can, and what he cannot, let him bear patiently and groan or mourn with love, until either he from above amends and corrects it, or postpones until the harvest the rooting up of the weeds and the winnowing of the chaff. Yet, so that Christians of good hope may live in unity among the desperate, whom they cannot correct, secure about their own salvation, let them remove the evil from themselves, that is, let there not be found in them what displeases them in the morals of others. For when the apostle had said, ‘For what have I to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But God will judge those outside’, as if they answered, ‘What are we to do when we are so pressed by the multitude of the wicked that we cannot exercise our judgment in any coercion?’, he says, ‘Remove the evil from among yourselves’; that is, if you cannot remove the bad from your midst, remove the evil itself from yourselves. But if anyone wants to understand ‘Remove the evil from among yourselves’ to mean that every bad man is to be removed from the congregation of the brothers by the rebuke of separation, no one would doubt that it must be done with zeal for healing, not hatred for destroying. And what measure is to be applied and what times observed, lest the peace of the church be violated, in which above all the wheat must be spared lest it be rooted up with the weeds, we have discussed as seemed necessary for the present. Whoever considers these things diligently and peaceably neither neglects the severity of discipline in preserving unity nor breaks the bond of fellowship by immoderate coercion.

1 Cor 5:12–13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:30 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Correct what can be corrected, bear the rest with love until God amends it or the harvest comes, and remove evil from oneself; any excommunication must aim at healing and keep the church’s peace.

  • Sources: 1 Cor 5:12–13; Matt 13:30; Matt 3:12.

Topics: Church discipline and penance

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.15 (CSEL 51:118–119; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.16CSEL 51:119–121

Nam hoc ipsum quod ait apostolus: cum eiusmodi nec quidem cibum simul sumere quam multi boni christiani faciunt de his quorum familiarius curam gerunt, ut, a quorum consortio potuerint separare quos tali correptione posse corrigi sentiunt uel quos omnino corrigi posse desperant, ne alios conloquiorum malorum contagione corrumpant, non dubitent facere. facit autem hoc bene, id est humili caritate ac benigna seueritate, qui sic praeest fratribus suis, ut eorum seruum se esse meminerit, sicut sese habet ipsius domini et praeceptum et exemplum. tunc enim fit et sine tyfo elationis in hominem et cum luctu deprecationis ad deum. sed non, quam facile de gradu clericorum quisque ab episcopo uel de numero pauperum quos pascit ecclesia uel de ipsa congregatione laicorum siue ab episcopo siue a clerico uel quocumque praeposito cui est potestas eximitur, ita ut cum eiusmodi a ceteris, quibus hoc praecipi potest, nec cibus sumatur, tam facile malorum multitudo in quolibet ordine ecclesiae potest a bonorum commixtione secludi et expelli. nam et in domibus suis quique boni fideles ita disciplinam suorum moderantur et regunt, ut ibi quoque obtemperent apostolo praecipienti cum eiusmodi nec quidem cibum simul sumere, cum et de filiis suis et de domesticis hoc faciunt uel fieri iubent, cum eos uident ita uiuere, ut hoc eis esse faciendum ipsa quae in eos habetur caritas suggerat. turba autem iniquorum, cum facultas est in populis promendi sermonem, generali obiurgatione ferienda est et maxime si occasionem atque opportunitatem praebuerit aliquod flagellum desuper domini, quo eos appareat pro suis meritis uapulare. tunc enim aures humiles praebet emendatori sermoni calamitas auditorum faciliusque in gemitum confitendi quam in murmura resistendi afflicta corda compellit, sicut tunc beatus Cyprianus de collegis suis fortasse illa non diceret, nisi eum diuina desuper seueritas adiuuaret. eo quippe tempore illa dicebat tam molesto, tam calamitoso atque luctuoso, ut illi non solum suscensere non auderent, sed etiam uix a suscensentibus ueniam se posse impetrare sentirent quamquam etsi nulla calamitas tribulationis premat, cum facultas datur, utiliter corripitur in multitudine multitudo; nam sicut separata saeuire, sic in ipsa congregatione obiurgata gemere consueuit. quamobrem et illud praeceptum apostoli nullo modo neglegendum est, cum sine periculo uiolandae pacis fieri potest, quia nec ipse aliter fieri uoluit, ut a congregatione bonorum separaretur malus, et eiusdem illud praecipue tenendum est, ut sufferentes inuicem studeamus seruare unitatem spiritus in uinculo pacis. item domino in euangelio dicenti et in illo obtemperare debemus, ubi ait: si neque ecclesiam audierit, sit tibi tamquam ethnicus et publicanus, et in illo, ubi prohibuit colligi zizania, ne simul eradicetur et triticum. potest enim utrumque custodiri ab eis de quibus dictum est: beati pacifici, quoniam ipsi filii dei uocabuntur.

For this very thing that the apostle says, ‘not even to eat with such a one’, how many good Christians do with regard to those for whom they have a more familiar care, so that they do not hesitate to do it to those whom they can separate from their company: those whom they perceive can be corrected by such a rebuke, or those whom they altogether despair of correcting, lest they corrupt others by the contagion of bad conversations! But he does this well, that is, with humble love and kindly severity, who so presides over his brothers as to remember that he is their servant, as the Lord’s own precept and example have it. For then it is done both without the swelling of elation against the man and with the mourning of supplication toward God. But a multitude of the bad in any order of the church cannot be shut off and expelled from mingling with the good as easily as any individual is removed by the bishop from the rank of the clergy, or from the number of the poor whom the church feeds, or from the congregation of the laity itself, either by the bishop or by a cleric or any leader who has the power, so that the others to whom this can be commanded do not even eat with such a one. For in their own homes too, all good believers so regulate and direct the discipline of their households that there too they obey the apostle commanding ‘not even to eat with such a one’, when they do this, or order it to be done, with their sons and servants, when they see them living in such a way that the very love they have for them suggests that this must be done to them. But a crowd of the wicked, when there is opportunity to address the peoples, must be struck by a general rebuke, and especially if some scourge of the Lord from above has provided an occasion and opportunity in which it appears that they are being beaten for their deserts. For then the calamity of the hearers lends humble ears to the correcting sermon, and drives afflicted hearts more easily to the groan of confession than to the murmur of resistance; just as the blessed Cyprian perhaps would not have said those things about his colleagues then, had not the divine severity from above helped him. For he was saying those things at a time so troubled, so calamitous and mournful, that they not only did not dare to be angry with him, but felt that they could scarcely obtain pardon from those who were angry with them. Even when no calamity of tribulation presses, however, when the opportunity is given, a multitude is usefully rebuked in a multitude; for just as, separated, it is wont to rage, so, rebuked within the congregation itself, it is wont to groan. Therefore that precept of the apostle is in no way to be neglected when it can be done without danger of violating peace, since he himself did not want the bad man to be separated from the congregation of the good otherwise; and his other precept especially is to be held, that bearing with one another we should be eager to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Likewise we ought to obey the Lord speaking in the gospel, both in that place where he says, ‘If he will not hear even the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector’, and in that where he forbade the weeds to be gathered lest the wheat be rooted up with them. For both can be kept by those of whom it was said: ‘Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.’

1 Cor 5:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 20:26–28 (echo, low confidence) · Eph 4:2–3 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 18:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:9 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Individuals can be excluded from the clergy, the church’s poor roll, the congregation, or a household table for their correction, but a multitude of sinners is better rebuked in public preaching, especially in times of calamity, as Cyprian did, while keeping unity.

  • Sources: 1 Cor 5:11; Christ the servant (Matt 20:26–28); Eph 4:2–3; Matt 18:17; Matt 13:29; Matt 5:9. Cyprian’s rebuke of his colleagues is On the Lapsed 6, written after the Decian persecution. Stray punctuation is corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray punctuation in the digital text): iubent., cum → iubent, cum; confitendi quam, in murmura → confitendi quam in murmura.

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Laps. 6 (On the Lapsed; allusion)

Topics: Church discipline and penance, Parents and children

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.16 (CSEL 51:119–121; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.17CSEL 51:121–122

Sed iam cetera quae Parmenianus posuit testimonia uideamus. inter omnia, quibus eorum sacrilegus tumor apparet, nullo se loco magis aperuit quam in eo, quod ausus est etiam illud ex Hieremia propheta ponere, unde persuaderet hominibus caecis communionem Donatistarum non solum ecclesiam ueram esse, sed etiam talem iam hoc tempore, qualis post ultimam uentilationem ecclesia sancta futura est. cui sacrilegae praesumptioni et nefandae elationi quid addi possit ignoro. et multis quidem locis sermonum suorum nihil aliud praesumere intelleguntur, sed aliquando uerecundantur, cum eos urgere ueritas coeperit, quando interrogantur uel utrum non habeant uel utrum non sint ipsi peccatores. uerumtamen in hoc prophetico testimonio inpiam uanitatem suam et nimiam peruersitatem apertissime prodiderunt. cum enim Hieremias sanctus uellet ostendere bonis et malis, etiamsi ad tempus sit congregationis una societas, longe tamen esse disparia momenta morum finemque meritorum, quid paleis, inquit, ad triticum? Parmenianus autem cum uellet Tychonium refellere dicentem malos a bonis in unitate interim pro pace tolerandos et in fine ultimi diuini iudicii separandos, posuit hoc Hieremiae testimonium, quo peruersus atque errans peruersos et errantes ad turbulentissimas et sceleratissimas seditiones inflammet, ut, quisquis inflata mente carnis suae uidetur sibi aliquid esse cum nihil sit, se ac sui similes tamquam grana purgatissima existimans ad ecclesiae congregationem, in qua necesse est ut hi qui ad uitam aeternam pertinent eos qui ad ignem aeternum pertinent usque ad certum finem tamquam frumenta paleam suam tolerent, iam sibi accedendum esse non putent. nullus alius flatus de area Christi leuissimam paleam ante tempus uentilationis excussit, nulla alia praesumptio sacrilega schismata quaecumque ubicumque sunt fecit.

But now let us look at the other testimonies Parmenian set down. Among all the things in which their sacrilegious swelling appears, nowhere has it shown itself more than in this, that he dared even to set down that text from the prophet Jeremiah by which he would persuade blind men that the communion of the Donatists is not only the true church, but already at this time such as the holy church will be after the last winnowing. I do not know what could be added to this sacrilegious presumption and abominable elation. In many places in their discourses they are understood to presume nothing else, but sometimes they are ashamed, when the truth has begun to press them, when they are asked either whether they do not have sinners or whether they are not themselves sinners. But in this prophetic testimony they have most openly betrayed their impious vanity and excessive perversity. For when holy Jeremiah wished to show that the good and the bad, even if for a time there is one society of congregation, are yet far apart in the weight of their morals and in the end of their deserts, he said, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ But Parmenian, wishing to refute Tyconius, who said that the bad must be tolerated by the good in unity for the sake of peace meanwhile and separated at the end, at the last divine judgment, set down this testimony of Jeremiah, by which, perverse and erring, he inflames the perverse and erring to most turbulent and wicked seditions; so that whoever, with a mind puffed up by his flesh, seems to himself to be something when he is nothing, reckoning himself and those like him as the most purified grains, does not think that he should any longer come to the congregation of the church, in which it is necessary that those who belong to eternal life tolerate those who belong to eternal fire, until a certain end, as the wheat tolerates its chaff. No other wind has blown the lightest chaff off Christ’s threshing floor before the time of winnowing; no other presumption has made sacrilegious schisms, whatever and wherever they are.

Jer 23:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 6:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Parmenian used Jeremiah’s ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ against Tyconius to claim that the Donatists are already the purified church of the last day, a presumption that breeds every schism.

  • Sources: Jer 23:28; Gal 6:3; Matt 3:12. A stray period is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray punctuation in the digital text): apparet,. nullo → apparet, nullo.

Topics: Donatism, The church

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.17 (CSEL 51:121–122; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.18CSEL 51:122–123

Ammonet, inquit, Hieremias sanctissimus et infructuosas et steriles peccantium turbo ab honorata fruge iustorum discernit dicens: quid paleis ad triticum? o tubam furoris, o uocem execrabilis pestilentiae! numquid forte sic errat genus humanum, ut non agnoscat uentilatorem Parmenianum? an et ipse dat locum Donato et ad purgatam per eum massam se uenisse gloriatur? nam ille ante se Maiorinum nescio utrum dignetur agnoscere. an isti tres tamquam tria cornua cuiusdam uentilabri in manu domini fuerunt, per quos messis orbis totius mundaretur, et Africa electa est ubi purgata massa consisteret, cetera autem omnem terram palea separata uestiret? unde ergo tanti greges circumcellionum? unde tantae turbae conuiuiorum ebriosorum et innuptarum sed non incorruptarum innumerabilia stupra feminarum? unde tanta turba raptorum auarorum faeneratorum? unde tam multi per suas quique regiones notissimi tantundem uolentes sed non tantum ualentes Optati? quid ad haec respondetur? non sunt ista? an et hoc triticum est? uae impudentissimae negationi, si aput se ista non esse, uae sceleratissimae peruersitati, si frumenta esse responderint. postremo cur massam purgati tritici post tantae auctoritatis tridentem, id est Maiorinum Donatum Parmenianum, etiam Primianus iterum ausus est uentilare, ut Maximianistas de sua communione separaret? an forte frumenta proiecit? quid est ergo ipse cum suis qui talia proiecerunt? an ita ista frumenta purgata sunt, ut se inuicem non agnoscant et se inuicem damnando uentilare conentur? potuitne palea baptizare frumenta? si potuit, cur ergo dicunt: quid paleis ad triticum? si autem non potuit, cur Felicianus cum inter paleam Maximianistarum foras uolasset, quotquot illi baptizauit cum eo rursus ad massam illam purgatissimam redierunt et eos omnes intus nunc habent et sibi non dicunt: quid paleis ad triticum?

‘The most holy Jeremiah’, he says, ‘admonishes and distinguishes the unfruitful and barren crowds of sinners from the honoured grain of the righteous, saying: What has chaff to do with wheat?’ O trumpet of madness, O voice of accursed pestilence! Is the human race perhaps so mistaken as not to recognize Parmenian as the winnower? Or does he too give place to Donatus, and boast that he has come to the lump purified through him? For whether Donatus deigns to recognize Majorinus before him I do not know. Or were these three like the three prongs of a winnowing fork in the Lord’s hand, through whom the harvest of the whole world was to be cleaned, and Africa was chosen where the purified lump should stand, while the separated chaff covered all the rest of the earth? Where, then, do such great herds of circumcellions come from? Where such great crowds of drunken banquets, and the innumerable debaucheries of women unmarried but not uncorrupted? Where such a crowd of robbers, misers, usurers? Where so many Optatuses, each very notorious in his own region, wanting as much but not able to do as much? What is the answer to this? That these things do not exist? Or is this wheat too? Woe to most shameless denial, if they answer that these things are not among them; woe to most wicked perversity, if they answer that they are wheat. Finally, why did Primian too dare to winnow again the lump of purified wheat after so authoritative a trident, that is, Majorinus, Donatus, Parmenian, so as to separate the Maximianists from his communion? Did he perhaps throw out wheat? What then is he, with his men who threw out such things? Or are these grains so purified that they do not recognize one another and try to winnow one another by mutual condemnation? Could chaff baptize grains? If it could, why do they say, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ But if it could not, why is it that, when Felicianus had flown outside among the chaff of the Maximianists, all those whom he baptized there have returned with him again to that most purified lump, and they now have them all inside, and do not say to themselves, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Jer 23:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine mocks the idea that Majorinus, Donatus, and Parmenian winnowed the world, pointing to the circumcellions, drunkards, and usurers in the Donatist party and to Primian’s schism and readmission of Felicianus with those he baptized.

  • Sources: Jer 23:28; Matt 3:12. Majorinus, Donatus, Parmenian, and Primian were successive Donatist bishops of Carthage. ‘Turbo’ in the quotation is translated as ‘crowds’ (turbam?); the reading is uncertain.

Topics: Donatism, Rebaptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.18 (CSEL 51:122–123; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.19CSEL 51:123–124

Iam ergo euigilent aliquando et intellegant quemadmodum propheta dixerit: quid paleis ad triticum? ubi enim dicatur prius considerent, si eis inest qualiscumque sensus humanus. numquid in agro dici potest: quid paleis ad triticum, quando eadem radice portantur? numquid in area, ubi pariter triturantur? sed utique in horreo: quid paleis ad triticum? ueniet enim ille pater familias ferens uentilabrum in manu sua, mundabit aream suam, frumenta recondet in horreum, paleam uero comburet igni inextinguibili. nam per aliam similitudinem omne triticum ouium nomine et omnis palea haedorum nomine significantur, quae duo pecorum genera interim permixta sub uno pastore pascuntur. sed ueniet, inquit, filius hominis cum angelis suis, et congregabuntur ante eum omnes gentes, et separabit eos ab inuicem, sicut pastor separat oues ab haedis. et oues quidem ponet ad dextram, haedos autem ad sinistram. et dicet eis qui ad dextram sunt: uenite benedicti patris mei, percipite regnum quod uobis paratum est ab initio mundi. illis autem qui ad sinistram sunt dicet: ite in ignem aeternum, qui paratus est diabolo et angelis eius. tunc ergo implebitur prophetia: quid paleis ad triticum, quando haedis et ouibus non poterit pascua esse communis. si possunt pisces boni piscibus malis intra illam sagenam cui dixit dominus simile esse regnum caelorum dicere: recedite a nobis aut recedamus a uobis, donec omnes educantur ad litus et per angelos boni mittantur in uasa, mali autem proiciantur, potest hoc tempore impleri quod dictum est: quid paleis ad triticum? sed qui congregationem suam iam frumentum purgatum putant, a commixtione frumenti et paleae tamquam pura palea uolauerunt, et qui se sub uno pastore non adhuc cum haedis pascere sentiunt, luporum insidiis de grege domini separati sunt, et qui cum malis piscibus se congregatos esse non putant, non solum mali pisces sunt, sed etiam unitatis retia dirruperunt. quodsi iam hoc tempore intellegamus fieri quod Hieremias ait: quid paleis ad triticum, nihil aliud recte intellegere possumus nisi quia in una quidem congregatione sunt, donec in fine uentilationis etiam corporaliter separentur, sed tamen tritico sursum cor est, paleae uero deorsum. palea quippe sua quaerit, non quae Iesu Christi, triticum autem thesaurizat thesaurum in caelo, et ubi est thesaurus eius, ibi et cor eius.

Let them now at last wake up and understand how the prophet said, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ For let them first consider where it is said, if they have any human sense at all. Can it be said in the field, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’, when they are carried on the same root? Can it on the threshing floor, where they are threshed together? But certainly in the barn: ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ For the householder will come with the winnowing fork in his hand; he will clean his threshing floor, store the wheat in the barn, but burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. For in another likeness all the wheat is signified by the name of sheep and all the chaff by the name of goats, two kinds of animals that meanwhile graze mixed under one shepherd. ‘But’, he says, ‘the Son of Man will come with his angels, and all nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. And he will say to those on the right: Come, blessed of my Father, receive the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. But to those on the left he will say: Go into the eternal fire, which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.’ Then, therefore, the prophecy will be fulfilled, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’, when the goats and the sheep can no longer have a common pasture. If the good fish, within that net to which the Lord said the kingdom of heaven is like, can say to the bad fish, ‘Depart from us’, or ‘Let us depart from you’, before all are drawn out to the shore and by the angels the good are put into vessels and the bad thrown away, then what was said can be fulfilled at this time: ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ But those who think their congregation already purified wheat have flown away from the mixture of wheat and chaff as pure chaff; and those who do not perceive that they are still grazing with the goats under one shepherd have been separated from the Lord’s flock by the snares of wolves; and those who do not think that they have been gathered together with bad fish are not only bad fish but have also broken the nets of unity. But if we understand that what Jeremiah says, ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’, is already happening at this time, we can rightly understand nothing else than that they are indeed in one congregation until they are separated bodily as well at the end of the winnowing, but that the wheat has its heart above, while the chaff has it below. For the chaff seeks its own things, not those of Jesus Christ, but the wheat lays up treasure in heaven, and where its treasure is, there is its heart also.

Jer 23:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:31–34 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 25:41 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 13:47–49 (allusion, high confidence) · John 10:16 (allusion, medium confidence) · Phil 2:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 6:20–21 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ will be fulfilled in the barn, not in the field or on the threshing floor, as the sheep and goats and the good and bad fish are separated only at the end; now the difference is that the wheat has its heart in heaven.

  • Sources: Jer 23:28; Matt 3:12; Matt 25:31–34, 41; the net (Matt 13:47–49); one shepherd (John 10:16); Phil 2:21; Matt 6:20–21.

Topics: Donatism, The church, The last judgment

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.19 (CSEL 51:123–124; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.20CSEL 51:124–125

Sicut etiam beati Esaiae uerba intellegenda sunt, quae ille similiter non intellegens ad eandem sui erroris sententiam detorquere conatus est. quid enim ait Esaias? recedite recedite, exite inde et immundum nolite tangere. exite de medio eius et separamini, qui fertis uasa domini. numquid eadem totiens repetenda sunt, quomodo fiat separatio cordis a malis? immundum enim non tangit qui ad peccatum nulli consentit. exit autem inde, ut salua eius causa sit aput deum, si etiam disciplinam corripiendi et arguendi salua pace non neglegat. nam qui uult corporaliter quasi manifestos malos deserere, spiritaliter deserit latentes bonos, quos inexpertos et incognitos cogitur accusare, dum separationem suam conatur defendere.

Just so are the words of the blessed Isaiah to be understood, which he likewise, not understanding them, tried to twist to the same opinion of his error. For what does Isaiah say? ‘Depart, depart, go out from there and do not touch what is unclean. Go out from her midst and be separate, you who carry the vessels of the Lord.’ Must the same things be repeated so often, how separation of the heart from the bad is made? For he does not touch what is unclean who consents to no one in sin. And he goes out from there, so that his case is safe before God, if he also does not neglect the discipline of correcting and rebuking with peace kept. For he who wants to desert the evidently bad bodily, as it were, deserts the hidden good spiritually, whom, untried and unknown, he is forced to accuse while he tries to defend his separation.

Isa 52:11 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Isaiah’s ‘depart, touch nothing unclean’ means separation of heart by refusing consent to sin, together with discipline in peace; bodily separation from the known bad means deserting the unknown good.

  • Source: Isa 52:11.

Topics: Donatism, Schism and unity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.20 (CSEL 51:124–125; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.21CSEL 51:125–127

Sed isti respondeant: si mundus est Felicianus, cur exiit de medio eorum? si uero immundus est, cur modo tangunt immundum? quodsi tunc immundus fuit cum foris esset, quos illic baptizauit immundi sunt, quia immundum tetigerunt. an omnes cum illo remeando mundati sunt? possunt ergo isti mundare foris baptizatos, quos in sua communione non baptizauerint? cur ergo alios rebaptizant? an a trecentis decem Bagai considentibus damnari aliqua forte dignatio est et ideo de toto orbe quisquis ad eos uenerit rebaptizatur, quia non meruit totus orbis istam dignationem, ut Bagaiensi concilio damnaretur? quid ergo? a Maximiano et a ceteris sociis eius ad Primiani communionem non redeuntibus quicumque baptizati uenerint, rebaptizantur an parcitur eis? si rebaptizantur, uiolatur dignatio Bagaiensis — in ea quippe etiam istorum baptizatores damnati sunt —; si autem parcitur eis, rogandi sunt isti, ut rursum ad oppidum Bagaiense conueniant et, si forte ille numerus trecentorum decem iam consecratus est, totidem conueniant et illic sententiam contra totum orbem proferant, sicut aduersus Maximianistas protulerunt, ut, cum uoluerint aliquem rebaptizare ex aliqua orbis parte uenientem, pari priuilegio se defendat asserens ita sibi parci oportere, sicut ei parcitur quem Maximianista baptizat, quia iam non soli Maximianistae, sed etiam totus orbis meruerit concilio Bagaiensi damnari. deinde se ipsos a tam magna inuidia liberabunt, ut, cum coeperint iam non rebaptizare in ecclesia baptizatos quae per omnes terras est constituta, si quis eis mouerit quaestionem, cur iam non faciant quod antea faciebant, respondeant: quando ista faciebamus, nondum Bagaiensi concilio totum orbem terrarum damnaueramus; nunc autem rogati misericorditer concessimus, ut eos tali concilio damnaremus quali Maximianistas damnauimus, quorum baptismum non repetimus. quid ergo magnum est, quid difficile praestare omnibus gentibus tantam dignationem damnationis? an iterare baptismum orbis terrarum licet et iterare damnationem orbis terrarum non licet? etiam hinc securi sint; non inuenimus quo concilio tot gentes prouinciasque damnauerint. quosdam paucos in Africa damnauerunt, a quibus totius orbis iudicio superati sunt, nec ausi sunt postea damnare iudices aput quos superati sunt. quid enim esset impudentius, quid insanius? multo minus damnare potuerunt etiam in ceteris terrarum partibus constitutos, qui talibus ecclesiasticis iudicibus credere quam uictis litigatoribus maluerunt. et tamen Maximianistarum, quos trecenti et decem Donatistae Bagaiensi concilio damnauerunt, baptismus agnoscitur acceptatur admittitur, orbis terrarum autem, per quem Christi hereditas sic exhibita est ut promissa est, in qua et ipsi ante paucos annos fuerunt, quem nullo iure damnare potuerunt, nulla saltem concilii peruersitate damnarunt, baptismus improbatur exufflatur iteratur. o sancta damnatio, quam Maximianistae meruerunt, et laboriosa innocentia gentium, quae aput illos propterea christianum nomen amisit, quia talem damnationis locum inuenire non potuit!

But let these men answer: if Felicianus is clean, why did he go out from their midst? But if he is unclean, why do they now touch what is unclean? And if he was unclean when he was outside, those whom he baptized there are unclean, because they touched what is unclean. Or were they all cleansed by returning with him? Can these men, then, cleanse those baptized outside, whom they did not baptize in their own communion? Why then do they rebaptize others? Or is it perhaps some distinction to be condemned by the three hundred and ten sitting at Bagai, and is that why whoever comes to them from the whole world is rebaptized, because the whole world has not deserved that distinction of being condemned by the Council of Bagai? What then? Those who come baptized by Maximian and the rest of his associates who are not returning to Primian’s communion: are they rebaptized or are they spared? If they are rebaptized, the Bagai distinction is violated, for in it the baptizers of these too were condemned. But if they are spared, these men must be asked to meet again at the town of Bagai and, if perhaps that number of three hundred and ten is now consecrated, let as many meet and there pronounce sentence against the whole world, as they did against the Maximianists; so that, when they want to rebaptize someone coming from some part of the world, he may defend himself with an equal privilege, asserting that he ought to be spared as the man baptized by a Maximianist is spared, since now not only the Maximianists but the whole world has deserved to be condemned by the Council of Bagai. Then they will free themselves from so great an odium: so that, when they begin no longer to rebaptize those baptized in the church established through all lands, if anyone raises the question with them why they no longer do what they did before, they may answer: ‘When we did those things, we had not yet condemned the whole world by the Council of Bagai; but now, being asked, we have mercifully granted that we should condemn them by such a council as that by which we condemned the Maximianists, whose baptism we do not repeat.’ What great thing, then, what difficult thing is it to grant all nations so great a distinction of condemnation? Or is it permitted to repeat the baptism of the world, but not to repeat the condemnation of the world? Even here let them be at ease: we do not find by what council they condemned so many nations and provinces. They condemned a few men in Africa, by whom they were overcome in the judgment of the whole world, and they did not afterwards dare to condemn the judges before whom they were overcome. For what would be more shameless, what more insane? Much less could they condemn those established in the other parts of the world too, who preferred to believe such church judges rather than defeated litigants. And yet the baptism of the Maximianists, whom three hundred and ten Donatists condemned at the Council of Bagai, is recognized, accepted, admitted; but the baptism of the world, through which Christ’s inheritance has been displayed as it was promised, in which they themselves were a few years ago, which they could condemn by no right and did not condemn even by any perverse council, is rejected, blown upon, and repeated. O holy condemnation, which the Maximianists deserved, and toilsome innocence of the nations, which among them lost the Christian name because it could not find such a place of condemnation!

Isa 52:11 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatists accept the baptism of the Maximianists whom their own Council of Bagai condemned, yet rebaptize the world they never condemned in any council; Augustine ironically suggests they condemn the world at Bagai so as to spare its baptism.

  • The Council of Bagai (394) of 310 Donatist bishops condemned Maximian and his consecrators; Felicianus of Musti was readmitted afterwards. ‘Blown upon’ (exufflatur) refers to the rite of exsufflation. Echoes Isa 52:11 (‘touch what is unclean’). Stray marks are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray bracket in the digital text; stray dash in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): rebaptizantur. uiolatur → rebaptizantur, uiolatur; non repetimus). quid → non repetimus. quid; sic -exhibita → sic exhibita.

Topics: Donatism, Rebaptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.21 (CSEL 51:125–127; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.22CSEL 51:127–128

Si autem illi soli a Maximianistis uenientes non rebaptizantur qui cum suis baptizatoribus redeunt, sicut hi qui cum Praetextato et Feliciano redierunt, primo uideant, quemadmodum eiusdem schismatis baptismum extra eorum communionem foris aequaliter datum in aliis confirment in aliis exufflent, in parte honorent in parte uiolent. ita enim ubi uiolant rei fiunt, ubi autem confirmant reatus sui testes inueniuntur. si enim sic postea confirmarent, ut iam uiolare desinerent, non discrepatio, sed correctio diceretur; cum autem in quibusdam improbant quod in aliis adprobant, in his accusantur, in illis testimonium contra se dicunt. quaero enim, quare non baptizes eos, quos Felicianus in Maximiani schismate baptizauit: quia Christi baptismum acceperunt an quia Feliciani? si quia Feliciani, aput Maximianistas eum dedit damnatus, foris extra communionem uestram eum dedit; hoc est ille baptismus quod et Saluii Membressitani et aliorum talium. si autem quia Christi, plus aput te ualet pro baptismo Christi Felicianus in Mustitanis quam ipse Christus in omnibus terris, plus aput te ualet pro baptismo Christi sedens ad latus tuum ex damnato a te quam ille sedens ad dexteram patris ex crucifixo pro te. parcitur in paucissimis baptismo Christi ne Felicianus offendatur, et non parcitur ne ipse Christus in tot gentium milibus exuffletur.

But if only those coming from the Maximianists who return with their baptizers are not rebaptized, such as those who returned with Praetextatus and Felicianus, let them first see how they confirm in some and blow upon in others the baptism of the same schism, given equally outside, beyond their communion: honouring it in part, violating it in part. For so where they violate it they become guilty, but where they confirm it they are found witnesses to their own guilt. For if they confirmed it afterwards in such a way as to stop violating it, it would be called not inconsistency but correction; but since they reject in some what they approve in others, in the latter they are accused, in the former they bear witness against themselves. For I ask why you do not baptize those whom Felicianus baptized in the schism of Maximian: because they received the baptism of Christ, or because they received that of Felicianus? If because of Felicianus’s, he gave it as a condemned man among the Maximianists, he gave it outside, beyond your communion; it is the same baptism as that of Salvius of Membresa and others like him. But if because it is Christ’s, then Felicianus at Musti counts for more with you in favour of Christ’s baptism than Christ himself in all lands; he who sits at your side, after being condemned by you, counts for more with you in favour of Christ’s baptism than he who sits at the right hand of the Father, after being crucified for you. The baptism of Christ is spared in very few, so that Felicianus is not offended; and it is not spared, so that Christ himself is blown upon in so many thousands of nations.

Rom 8:34 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: By accepting only the baptisms of Maximianists who returned with their bishops, the Donatists honour Felicianus more than Christ, whose baptism they reject throughout the world.

  • Salvius of Membresa was a Maximianist bishop condemned at Bagai (see 3.29). Christ at the right hand of the Father: Rom 8:34.

Topics: Donatism, Rebaptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.22 (CSEL 51:127–128; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.23CSEL 51:128–129

Sed incredibilis est caecitas hominum et omnino nescio quemadmodum credi posset esse in hominibus tanta peruersitas, nisi experimento uerborum suorum factorumque patesceret usque ad(eo) eos clausos habere oculos cordis, ut, cum commemorent sanctae scripturae testimonia, non intueantur in factis prophetarum quemadmodum intellegenda sint uerba prophetarum. dixit Hieremias: quid paleis ad triticum? (num) ipse recederet a paleis populi sui in quas tanta illa uera dicebat? dixit Esaias: recedite recedite, exite inde et immundum nolite tangere. cur ipse in illo populo immunditiam quam grauiter arguebat in una cum eis congregatione tangebat? legant quanta in malos populi sui et quam uehementer ac ueraciter dixerit, a quibus se tamen nulla corporali diremptione separauit. dixit Dauid: non sedi in conuenticulo uanitatis et cum facinerosis non introibo. odio habui curiam nequissimorum et cum impiis non sedebo. legant quales ipse temporibus suis in illo populo tolerauerit, qui unctionis mystico sacramento tantum honorem detulit, ut id nec in sceleratissimo Saule contemneret, immo tantum ueneraretur, ut amplius omnino non posset. nonne, si eorum uerba factis eorum obiceremus, responderent nobis: nos plane cum talibus nullum habuimus in corde consortium nec tangebamus immundum ubi potest coinquinare contactus, id est consensione atque placito conscientiae recedebamus et exibamus ab eis, quia non solum talia non faciebamus, sed nec facientibus tacebamus? isti autem seditiosi et insani, qui defensiones praecisionibus suis quaerunt ex oraculis prophetarum, superest ut impietate uesana de uerbis propheticis mores arguant prophetarum. an hoc dicturi sunt, quod illis temporibus recedere iustis a malo populo non licebat, istis uero temporibus licet? quid dici peruersius potest illo tempore non oportuisse bonos a malis corporaliter separari, quando multa sacramenta corporaliter obseruare iubebantur, nunc autem necessariam esse corporalem separationem, quando iam illa spiritaliter obseruantur?

But incredible is the blindness of these men, and I do not at all know how such perversity could be believed to be in men, unless it were made plain by the experience of their own words and deeds, that they keep the eyes of the heart so shut that, when they quote testimonies of holy Scripture, they do not observe in the deeds of the prophets how the words of the prophets are to be understood. Jeremiah said: ‘What has chaff to do with wheat?’ Did he himself withdraw from the chaff of his people, against which he said so many true things? Isaiah said: ‘Depart, depart, go out from there and do not touch what is unclean.’ Why did he himself, among that people, touch the uncleanness he so gravely rebuked, in one congregation with them? Let them read how much and how vehemently and truly he spoke against the bad of his people, from whom he nevertheless did not separate himself by any bodily division. David said: ‘I have not sat in the assembly of vanity, and I will not go in with criminals. I have hated the gathering of the most wicked, and I will not sit with the impious.’ Let them read what sort of people he tolerated among that people in his own times, he who paid such honour to the mystical sacrament of anointing that he did not despise it even in the most wicked Saul, but rather revered it so much that he could not have revered it more. If we set their words against their deeds, would they not answer us: ‘We plainly had no fellowship in heart with such men, nor did we touch the unclean where contact can defile, that is, by consent and approval of conscience; we withdrew and went out from them, because we not only did not do such things but did not keep silent toward those who did’? But these seditious and insane men, who seek defences for their cuttings-off from the oracles of the prophets, have nothing left but, with insane impiety, to use the prophetic words to reproach the morals of the prophets. Or will they say that in those times it was not permitted for the righteous to withdraw from a bad people, but in these times it is? What could be said more perversely than that at that time, when many sacraments were commanded to be observed bodily, the good ought not to be separated bodily from the bad, but that now bodily separation is necessary, when those things are observed spiritually?

Jer 23:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 52:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 26:4–5 (25:4-Ps LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 24:6 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Sam 26:9 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Jeremiah, Isaiah, and David, whose words the Donatists cite, never separated bodily from their sinful people; David even revered Saul’s anointing; their separation was of heart and consent.

  • Sources: Jer 23:28; Isa 52:11; Ps 26:4–5 (LXX and Vulgate 25:4–5); David’s reverence for Saul as the Lord’s anointed (1 Sam 24:6; 26:9). ‘(eo)’ and ‘(num)’ are the editor’s supplements.

Topics: Donatism, Schism and unity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.23 (CSEL 51:128–129; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.24CSEL 51:129–131

Uae caecis ducentibus et caecis sequentibus! itane non timent ista dicentes, ne forte per tantam latitudinem orbis terrarum, qua fides Christi nomenque diffusum est, antequam se isti separarent, in aliqua parte terrarum ab Africanis regionibus remotissima iam hoc iusti aliqui fecerint, et adhuc isti in immunditiae quam illi fugerant contagione uiuebant? quis enim eis cauet, quis eos securos facit, si huiusmodi a malis separatio facienda est, antequam ab istis fieret, numquam factam fuisse tam longe, ut Afri omnino nescirent, sicut extremis illarum partium terris pars Donati prorsus ignota est? fortasse dicunt obesse sibi non potuisse quod ignorabant. sic ergo et illis terris obesse non potest quod gestum in Africa ignorant, etiamsi uera isti dicerent quae de Afrorum criminibus mentiuntur. si autem dicunt latere se non potuisse, si fieret, modo dicant per omnes orbis terrae partes quot schismata facta sint. nimium est quod interrogo: in ipsa Africa dicant Donatistae Carthaginienses uel quicumque sunt in uicinitate Carthaginis quot partes per Numidiam et Mauretaniam factae sint de ipsa parte Donati. quarum omnium causas utique nosse deberent, ne forte iusti aliqui in regionibus suis malorum societatem congregationemque uitauerint et exierint inde, ne immundum tangerent, ne cum facinerosis introirent, ne forte isti iam ante aliquot annos in aliquo angulo Numidiae uel Mauretaniae separantibus se frumentis palea remanserint, et nesciunt. sed unde securi sunt, nisi quia certum habent bonos esse non potuisse qui se ab unitate communionis Donati, quae per totam Africam diffunditur, segregarunt, quia, si malos aliquos in sua uicinitate patiebantur, quos ostendere ceteris non ualebant, eos tolerare potius debuerunt quam diuidere se a tot innocentibus, quibus persuadere non poterant aliena peccata, etiamsi ea ipsi optime nossent? cur ergo haec innocentia non tribuitur orbi terrarum in tanta multitudine ac latitudine gentium quacumque Christi hereditas patet, ut certa atque secura sit eos, qui se bonos dicunt et se ab omnis terrae unitate seiungunt, eo ipso demonstrare quales sint? sibi enim iusti uidentur et spernunt ceteros et ideo non cantant canticum nouum, quia de superbia ueteris hominis extolluntur. ab ea quippe communione separantur cui dictum est: cantate domino canticum nouum, cantate domino omnis terra. qui si uere iusti essent, etiam humiles essent; si autem humiles essent, etiamsi uere malos in suae uicinitatis congregatione paterentur, quos ab unitate Christi expellere non ualerent, caritate Christi tolerare deligerent. quomodo autem possunt de his ipsis, quos in sua uicinitate malos arguunt, iustum habere iudicium, cum temeraria caecitate tam longe a se positos ignotissimos criminantur? utrum enim uel ciues suos uel uicinos quos arguunt malos esse nouerint, incertum est orbi terrarum; quia uero ab eis, quorum longe positorum uitam nosse non possunt, temeraria caecitate separantur, certum est orbi terrarum, et quia cum laude patientiae mali noti tolerantur, ne ignoti boni damnentur, certum est orbi terrarum. quapropter securus iudicat orbis terrarum bonos non esse, qui se diuidunt ab orbe terrarum in quacumque parte terrarum.

Woe to the blind who lead and the blind who follow! Are they not afraid, saying these things, that perhaps through the great breadth of the world over which the faith and name of Christ was spread, before these men separated themselves, in some part of the world very far from the African regions, some righteous men had already done this, and these men were still living in the contagion of the uncleanness those others had fled? For who guards them, who makes them secure, if this kind of separation from the bad must be made, that before they made it, it had never been made so far away that the Africans were entirely ignorant of it, just as the party of Donatus is entirely unknown to the furthest lands of those parts? Perhaps they say that what they did not know could not harm them. So then, what was done in Africa, of which those lands are ignorant, cannot harm them either, even if these men told the truth about the crimes of the Africans, about which they lie. But if they say that it could not have been hidden from them if it had been done, let them now say how many schisms have been made throughout all parts of the world. I ask too much: in Africa itself let the Donatists of Carthage, or whoever are in the neighbourhood of Carthage, say how many parties have been made from the party of Donatus itself through Numidia and Mauretania. They ought certainly to know the causes of all of them, lest perhaps some righteous men in their regions avoided the fellowship and congregation of the bad and went out from there, so as not to touch the unclean, so as not to go in with criminals; lest perhaps these men, some years ago, in some corner of Numidia or Mauretania, remained chaff while the grains separated themselves, and do not know it. But from where are they secure, except that they hold it certain that those could not have been good who segregated themselves from the unity of the communion of Donatus, which is spread through all Africa; because, if they suffered some bad men in their neighbourhood whom they could not show to the others, they ought rather to have tolerated them than divide themselves from so many innocent people, whom they could not persuade of others’ sins, even if they knew them very well themselves? Why then is this innocence not granted to the world, in so great a multitude and breadth of nations wherever Christ’s inheritance extends, so that it may be certain and secure that those who call themselves good and disjoin themselves from the unity of the whole earth show by that very fact what they are? For they seem righteous to themselves and despise others, and so they do not sing a new song, because they are lifted up with the pride of the old man. For they are separated from that communion to which it was said, ‘Sing to the Lord a new song; sing to the Lord, all the earth.’ If they were truly righteous, they would also be humble; and if they were humble, even if they truly suffered bad men in the congregation of their neighbourhood whom they could not expel from the unity of Christ, they would choose to tolerate them with the love of Christ. But how can they have a just judgment about those very men whom they accuse as bad in their own neighbourhood, when with rash blindness they accuse completely unknown men placed so far away from them? For whether they know their fellow citizens or neighbours whom they accuse to be bad is uncertain to the world; but that they separate themselves with rash blindness from those whose life, being far away, they cannot know is certain to the world; and that known bad men are tolerated, with the praise of patience, lest unknown good men be condemned, is certain to the world. Therefore the world judges securely that those are not good who divide themselves from the world, in whatever part of the world.

Matt 15:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 52:11 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 26:4 (25:4 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Luke 18:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 96:1 (95:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: On the Donatist principle, unknown righteous separatists elsewhere could already have left them behind as chaff; just as the Donatists judge splinter groups from their own party, the world securely judges that those who separate from the whole world are not good.

  • Sources: Matt 15:14; Isa 52:11; Ps 26:4 (LXX and Vulgate 25:4); Luke 18:9; Ps 96:1 (LXX and Vulgate 95:1); 1 Cor 13:7. A stray period is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): temeraria. caecitate → temeraria caecitate.

Topics: Donatism, Schism and unity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.24 (CSEL 51:129–131; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of the staged CSEL edition (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.

3.25CSEL 51:131–132

Postremo si prophetae posteros monuerunt, ut se ante tempus ultimae uentilationis a paleis corporaliter separarent et tali separatione cauerent tangere immundum et cum facinerosis non introirent, cur hoc non fecit Paulus apostolus? an palea non erant qui non ex ueritate, sed ex inuidia Christum annuntiabant? an immundi non erant qui non caste euangelium praedicabant, quos in illius temporis ecclesia fuisse testatur et cuius excellentissimam caritatem omnia tolerantem etiam posteriores imitati sunt? an immunditia non est auaritia, quam Cyprianus corde non tetigit et tamen inter auaros collegas pacatissime uixit? obsurduerat uidelicet aduersus uerba psalmorum, ut sederet in conuenticulo uanitatis et cum facinerosis introiret, odio non haberet curiam malignorum et cum impiis sederet. an non erat conuenticulum uanitatis in eis, qui esurientibus in ecclesia fratribus largissimo argento nitere cupiebant? an non erant facinerosi, qui fundos insidiosis fraudibus rapiebant? an nequissimi et impii non erant, qui usuris multiplicantibus faenus augebant? ille uero lauabat cum innocentibus manus suas et circumdabat altare domini. ideo quippe tolerabat nocentes, ne desereret innocentes cum quibus manus lauabat, quia diligebat speciem domus domini, quae species in uasis honorabilibus erat. in magna autem domo non solum aurea uasa sunt et argentea, sed et lignea et fictilia. et illa quidem sunt in honore, illa autem in contumelia. et mundabat semet ipsum ab huiusmodi, ut esset etiam ipse uas in honore sanctificatum, utile domino, ad omne opus bonum paratum, nec propter uasa quae erant in contumelia se a domo magna separaret, sed eos in unitate illius domus arguens tolerabat a quibus se non imitando mundabat.

Finally, if the prophets warned later generations to separate themselves bodily from the chaff before the time of the last winnowing, and by such separation to avoid touching the unclean and not to go in with criminals, why did the apostle Paul not do this? Or were they not chaff who proclaimed Christ not from truth but from envy? Or were they not unclean who preached the gospel not chastely, whom he testifies were in the church of that time, and whose most excellent love, tolerating all things, later men also imitated? Or is greed not uncleanness, which Cyprian did not touch in his heart, and yet he lived most peaceably among greedy colleagues? Had he, then, become deaf to the words of the psalms, so as to sit in the assembly of vanity and go in with criminals, not to hate the gathering of the malignant, and to sit with the impious? Was there not an assembly of vanity in those who, while brothers in the church were starving, desired to shine with abundant silver? Were they not criminals who seized estates by treacherous frauds? Were they not most wicked and impious who increased their gains by multiplying interest? But he washed his hands among the innocent and went around the altar of the Lord. For he tolerated the guilty precisely so as not to desert the innocent with whom he washed his hands, because he loved the beauty of the Lord’s house, a beauty that was in the vessels of honour. ‘But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; and some are for honour, but some for dishonour.’ And he cleansed himself from these, so that he too might be a vessel for honour, sanctified, useful to the Lord, prepared for every good work; and he did not separate himself from the great house because of the vessels for dishonour, but, rebuking them in the unity of that house, he tolerated those from whom he cleansed himself by not imitating them.

Phil 1:15–17 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 26:4–8 (25:4-Ps LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:20–21 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Neither Paul, who tolerated envious preachers, nor Cyprian, who lived among greedy bishops, separated bodily; Cyprian loved the Lord’s house, where vessels for honour and dishonour are found together, and cleansed himself by not imitating the bad.

  • Sources: Phil 1:15–17; 1 Cor 13:7; Ps 26:4–8 (LXX and Vulgate 25:4–8); 2 Tim 2:20–21. Cyprian’s greedy colleagues: On the Lapsed 6.

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Laps. 6 (On the Lapsed; allusion)

Topics: Donatism, The church

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. ep. Parm. 3.25 (CSEL 51:131–132; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-epistulam-parmeniani/3-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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