Eranistes (The Beggar), or Polymorphus 1.9–1.16
Greek text: PG 83.English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 1
1.9PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Περὶ ἱματίων εἴρηκεν ὁ πατριάρχης, οὐ περὶ σώματος. ΟΡΘ. Δεῖξον οὖν πηνίκα ἣ ποῦ ἐν αἴματι σταφυλῆς ΕΡΑΝ. Σὺ δεῖξον ὅτι τὸ σῶμα τούτοις ἐφοίνιξεν. ἃ, ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αξιῶ σε μυστικώτερον ἀποκρίνασθαι. Τινὲξ γὰρ ἴσως παρεπστήχασιν ἀμύητοι. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὕτως ἀκούσομαι, καὶ οὕτως ἀποκρινοῦμαι. ΟΡΘ. Οἷσθ᾽ ὅτι ἄμπελον ὁ Κύριος ἑαυτὸν προσ- ΕΡΑΝ. Οἶδα ὡς εἴρηκεν' « ᾿Εγώ εἰμι ἡ ἄμπελος ἡ ἀληθινή. » ΟΡΘ. Ὁ δὲ τῆς ἀμπέλου καρπὸς πιεσθεὶς ποίαν ΟΡΘ. Ἡνίκα δὲ τὴν πλευρὰν τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἕτρωσαν οἱ στρατιῶται τῇ λόγχῃ, τί προχεθῆναί φᾶσιν ἐκ ταύτης οἱ συγγεγραφότες τὰ εὐαγγέλια; ΕΡΑΝ. Αἷμα καὶ ὕδωρ. ΟΡΘ. Αἷμα ἄρα σταφυλῆς τὸ τοῦ Σωτῆρος προσ- ὦ ητόρευσεν αἷμα. Εἰ γὰρ ἄμπελος ὁ Δεσπότης ὠνόμασται, ὁ δὲ τῆς ἀμπέλου καρπὸς οἶνος προσαγορεύεται, αἵματος δὲ καὶ ὕδατος ἐκ τῆς τοῦ Δεσπότου πλευρᾶς χρουνοὶ προχεθέντες διὰ τοῦ λοιποῦ σώματος ἐπὶ τὰ κάτω διῆλθον, εἰκότως ἄρα καὶ προσφόρως προεῖπεν ὁ πατριάρχης" ε Πλυνεῖ ἐν οἴνῳ τὴν στολὴν αὑτοῦ, καὶ ἐν αἴματι σταφυλῆς τὴν περι- Θολὴν αὑτοῦ. » Ὥσπερ γὰρ ἡμεῖς τὸν μυστικὸν τῆς ἀμπέλου καρπὸν, μετὰ τὸν ἁγιασμὸν, αἷμα Δεσποτικὸν ὀνομάζομεν, οὕτω τῆς ἀληθινῆς ἀμπέλου τὸ αἷμα σταφυλῆς ὠνόμασεν αἶμα. ΕΡΑΝ. Μυστικῶς ἅμα καὶ σαφῶς ὁ προκείμενος ἀποδέδεικται λόγος. ΟΡΘ. Εἰ καὶ αὐτάρκῃ σοι εἰς πίστιν τὰ εἰρημένα, ἀλλ᾽ ὅμως καὶ ἑτέραν ἀπόδειξιν εἰς βεδαίωσιν τῆς ἀληθείας προσθήσω. ΕΡΑΝ. Χαριῇ μοι τοῦτο δρῶν" τὴν γὰρ ὠφέλειαν ΟΡΘ. Οἶσθα ὅτι ἄρτον ὁ Θεὸς τὸ οἰκεῖον προσηγό- ΟΡΘ. Καὶ ἑτέρωθι δὲ τὴν σάρκα οσἴτον ὠνόμασεν; ΕΡΑΝ. Οἵδα. καὶ τοῦτο. "Ἤκουσα γὰρ αὐτοῦ λέγόντος " « Ἐλήλυθεν ἡ ὥρα ἵνα δοξασθῇ ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου 1} καί" ς« Ἐὰν μὴ ὁ κόκκος τοῦ σίτου πεσὼν εἰς τὴν γῆν ἀποθάνῃ, μόνος μένει’ ἐὰν δὲ ἀποθάνῃ, πολὺν καρπὸν φέρει. » ΟΡΘ. Ἐν δέ γε τῇ τῶν μυστηρίῳν παρᾳδόσει, σῶμα τὸν ἄρτον ἐκάλεσε, καὶ αἷμα τὸ κρᾶμα. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλὰ καὶ κατὰ φύσιν, τὸ σῶμα σῶμα ἂν εἰκότως κληθείη, καὶ τὸ αἷμα αἷμα. ΟΡΘ. Ὁ δέ γε Σωτὴρ ὁ ἡμέτερος ἐνήλλαξε τὰ ὀνόματα, καὶ τῷ μὲν σώματι τὸ τοῦ δυμδόλου κεν ὄνομα, τῷ δὲ συμδόλῳ τὸ τοῦ σώματος " οὕτως ἄμπελον ἑᾳυτὸν ὀνομάσας, αἷμα τὸ σύμθδολον προσ- ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῦτο μὲν ἀληθῶς εἴρηκας. Ἐδουλόμην δὲ τὴν αἰτίαν μαθεῖν τῆς τῶν ὀνομάτων ἐναλλαγῆς. ΟΡΘ. Δῆλος ὁ σκοπὸς τοῖς τὰ θεῖα μεμυημένοις. Ἠδουλήθη γὰρ τοὺς τῶν θείων μυστηρίων μεταλαγχάνοντας, μὴ τῇ φύσει τῶν βλεπομένων προσέχειν, ἀλλὰ διὰ τῆς τῶν ὀνομάτων ἐναλλαγῆς, πιστεύειν τῇ ἐκ τῆς χάριτος γεγενημένῃ μεταθολῇ. Ὁ γὰρ δὴ τὸ φύσει σῶμα σἴτον καὶ ἄρτον προσαγορεύσας, καὶ αὖ πάλιν ἑαυτὰν ἄμπελον ὀνομάσας, οὗτος τὰ ἐρώμενα σύμδολα τῇ τοῦ σώματος καὶ αἵματος πβισηγορίᾳ τετίμηκεν, οὐ τὴν φύσιν μεταδαλὼν, ἀλλὰ τὴν χάριν
ERAN. Peri himatiōn eirēken ho patriarchēs, ou peri sōmatos. ORTh. Deixon oun pēnika hē pou en aimati staphylēs ERAN. Sy deixon hoti to sōma toutois ephoinixen. ha, ORTh. ᾿Axiō se mystikōteron apokrinasthai. Tinex gar isōs parepstēchasin amyētoi. ERAN. Houtōs akousomai, kai houtōs apokrinoumai. ORTh. Hoisth᾽ hoti ampelon ho Kyrios heauton pros- ERAN. Oida hōs eirēken' « ᾿Egō eimi hē ampelos hē alēthinē. » ORTh. Ho de tēs ampelou karpos piestheis poian ORTh. Hēnika de tēn pleuran tou Sōtēros hetrōsan hoi stratiōtai tę̄ lonchę̄, ti prochethēnai phasin ek tautēs hoi syngegraphotes ta euangelia? ERAN. Haima kai hydōr. ORTh. Haima ara staphylēs to tou Sōtēros pros- ō ētoreusen haima. Ei gar ampelos ho Despotēs ōnomastai, ho de tēs ampelou karpos oinos prosagoreuetai, haimatos de kai hydatos ek tēs tou Despotou pleuras chrounoi prochethentes dia tou loipou sōmatos epi ta katō diēlthon, eikotōs ara kai prosphorōs proeipen ho patriarchēs" e Plynei en oinǭ tēn stolēn hautou, kai en aimati staphylēs tēn peri- Tholēn hautou. » Hōsper gar hēmeis ton mystikon tēs ampelou karpon, meta ton hagiasmon, haima Despotikon onomazomen, houtō tēs alēthinēs ampelou to haima staphylēs ōnomasen aima. ERAN. Mystikōs hama kai saphōs ho prokeimenos apodedeiktai logos. ORTh. Ei kai autarkę̄ soi eis pistin ta eirēmena, all᾽ homōs kai heteran apodeixin eis bedaiōsin tēs alētheias prosthēsō. ERAN. Charię̄ moi touto drōn" tēn gar ōpheleian ORTh. Oistha hoti arton ho Theos to oikeion prosēgo- ORTh. Kai heterōthi de tēn sarka ositon ōnomasen? ERAN. Hoida. kai touto. "Ēkousa gar autou legontos " « Elēlythen hē hōra hina doxasthę̄ ho Huios tou anthrōpou 1} kai" s« Ean mē ho kokkos tou sitou pesōn eis tēn gēn apothanę̄, monos menei’ ean de apothanę̄, polyn karpon pherei. » ORTh. En de ge tę̄ tōn mystēriǭn parądosei, sōma ton arton ekalese, kai haima to krama. ORTh. ᾿Alla kai kata physin, to sōma sōma an eikotōs klētheiē, kai to haima haima. ORTh. Ho de ge Sōtēr ho hēmeteros enēllaxe ta onomata, kai tǭ men sōmati to tou dymdolou ken onoma, tǭ de symdolǭ to tou sōmatos " houtōs ampelon heąuton onomasas, haima to symthdolon pros- ERAN. Touto men alēthōs eirēkas. Edoulomēn de tēn aitian mathein tēs tōn onomatōn enallagēs. ORTh. Dēlos ho skopos tois ta theia memyēmenois. Ēdoulēthē gar tous tōn theiōn mystēriōn metalanchanontas, mē tę̄ physei tōn blepomenōn prosechein, alla dia tēs tōn onomatōn enallagēs, pisteuein tę̄ ek tēs charitos gegenēmenę̄ metatholę̄. Ho gar dē to physei sōma siton kai arton prosagoreusas, kai au palin heautan ampelon onomasas, houtos ta erōmena symdola tę̄ tou sōmatos kai haimatos pbisēgorią tetimēken, ou tēn physin metadalōn, alla tēn charin
Eranistes: The patriarch spoke of clothes, not of a body. Orthodoxos: Show, then, when or where [he washed his clothes] in the blood of the grape … Eranistes: You show that the body was reddened with these. Orthodoxos: I ask you to answer in a more mystical way; for perhaps some who are uninitiated are standing by. Eranistes: So I will listen, and so I will answer. Orthodoxos: Do you know that the Lord called himself a vine? Eranistes: I know that he said, “I am the true vine.” Orthodoxos: And the fruit of the vine, when pressed, what … Orthodoxos: And when the soldiers wounded the Savior's side with the lance, what do those who wrote the Gospels say poured out of it? Eranistes: Blood and water. Orthodoxos: Then he called the Savior's blood the blood of the grape. For if the Master has been named a vine, and the fruit of the vine is called wine, and streams of blood and water poured out from the Master's side and passed down through the rest of the body, then fittingly and aptly did the patriarch foretell, “He will wash his robe in wine, and his garment in the blood of the grape.” For just as we name the mystical fruit of the vine, after the consecration, the Master's blood, so he named the blood of the true vine the blood of the grape. Eranistes: The present argument has been demonstrated at once mystically and clearly. Orthodoxos: Even if what has been said is sufficient for your faith, still I will add another proof to confirm the truth. Eranistes: You will do me a favor by doing so; for the benefit … Orthodoxos: Do you know that God called his own [body] bread? … Orthodoxos: And elsewhere he named his flesh wheat? Eranistes: I know this too. For I heard him saying, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified,” and “Unless the grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.” Orthodoxos: And in the handing on of the mysteries he called the bread body, and the mixed cup blood. … Orthodoxos: But by nature, too, the body would properly be called body, and the blood blood. … Orthodoxos: But our Savior exchanged the names: to the body he gave the name of the symbol, and to the symbol the name of the body. So, having named himself a vine, he called the symbol blood. … Eranistes: This you have spoken truly. But I wanted to learn the reason for the exchange of names. Orthodoxos: The aim is clear to those initiated into divine things. For he wished those who partake of the divine mysteries not to attend to the nature of the things that are seen, but, through the exchange of names, to believe the change that has come about by grace. For he who called his body, which is body by nature, wheat and bread, and again named himself a vine, honored the visible symbols with the name of the body and blood, not changing their nature, but … grace …
Gen 49:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:34 (allusion, high confidence) · John 6:51 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 12:23 (quotation, high confidence) · John 12:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 26:28 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos reads Gen 49:11 of Christ's blood (he is the true vine) and explains that the Savior exchanged the names of his body and of the eucharistic symbols, so that communicants would believe the change made by grace without the symbols' nature being changed.
- Eucharistic passage translated exactly as printed. Orthodoxos says that Christ 'honored the visible symbols with the name of the body and blood, not changing their nature'; the end of the sentence is lost in the OCR text used here ('but … grace …'), and nothing has been supplied. Several replies have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. 'The mixed cup' renders κρᾶμα (wine mixed with water). Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations and allusions: Gen 49:11; John 15:1; John 19:34; John 6:51; John 12:23–24; Matt 26:26–28.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word): ἂρ- ἘΠΑΝ. ϑεῖο ουὰὶ ἀΐχίβθθ : ε Εξο ϑδυ νἱτϊα → ; Ῥοϑὶ 88 ἀΐἰη → ; πετογγῶπ) τηοτία πὶ [Ὀδτἰ 1, ᾿ρβαπὶ 501.π| πιαηεῖ : 5Ϊ Ι, σὼν → πεσὼν; ἀποὅδ.» ἡ. θάνῃ → ἀποθάνῃ; Ρᾶπο- 836 115 δ ηΐ. Ὑο]Εθαὶ δαΐπὶ 605, αυϊ αἰν! 8 Δα Ϊμη οἱ πᾶ- → .
Topics: Eucharist, Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.9 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.10PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ μυστικῶς ἐῤῥέθη τὰ μυστικὰ, καὶ σαφῶς ἐδηλώθη τὰ πᾶσιν οὐ γνώριμα. Ἐπειδὴ τοίνυν συνωμολόγηται, καὺ στολὴν καὶ περιδολὴν ὑπὸ τοῦ πατριάρχου τὸ Δεσποτικὸν ὠνομάσθαι σῶμα, εἰς δὲ τὸν περὶ τῶν θείων μνστηρίων εἰσεληλύθαμεν λόγον, εἰπὲ πρὸς τῆς ἀληθείας, τίνος ἡγῇ σύμθολόν τε καὶ τύπον τὴν παναγίαν τροφήν; τῆς θεότητος τοῦ Δεσπότου Χριστοῦ, ἣ τοῦ σώματος καὶ τοῦ αἴματος; ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς ἐχείνων, ὧν καὶ τὰ: προσηγορίας ἐδέξαντο. ΟΡΘ. Τοῦ σώματος καὶ τοῦ αἴματος λέγεις; ΘΡΘ. Φιλαλήθως εἴρηκας. Καὶ γὰρ ὁ Κύριος τὸ σύμδολον λαδὼν, οὖκ εἶπε" Τοῦτό ὅστιν ἡ θεότης μου" ἀλλὰ, «ε« Τοῦτό ἔστι τὸ σῶμά μου" ν καὶ πάλιν’ « Τοῦτό ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου" ν καὶ ἑτέρωθι" ε Ὁ δὲ ἄρ- Ὦ τος ὃν ἐγὼ δώσω, ἡ σάρξ μού ἔστιν, ἣν ἐγὼ δώσω ὑπὲρ τῆς τοῦ κόσμου ζωῆς. » ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αληθῆ ταῦτα, θεΐα γάρ ἔστ! λόγια. τοίνυν ἀληθῇ, σῶμα δήπου εἶχεν ὁ Κύριος. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐγὼ γὰρ αὐτὸν ἀσώματον λέγω. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Ἐγὼ λέγω ὅτι ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο᾽ οὕ πως γὰρ ἐδιδάχθην. μένον πίθον ἀντλοῦμεν᾽ μετὰ γὰρ ἐκείνας ἁπάσας τὰς ἀποδείξεις, καὶ τὰς τῶν ἀντιθέσεων λύσεις, τοὺς αὖχοὺς προσφέρω. ΟΡΘ. Ἐγὼ δὲ τῶν εὐαγγελικῶν «τὴν ἑρμηνείαν οὐκ ἐκ προφητικῶν σοι καὶ ἀποστολικῶν προσεγή- ἘΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἀποχρῶσιν ἐκεῖνοι τὸ ζητούμενον λῦσαι. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν ἐδείξαμεν ὡς, ἀόρατος ὧν, ἔφανερθη διὰ σαρκός. Καὶ αὐτῆς δὲ τῆς σαρκὸς τὴν συγγένειαν παρὰ τῶν θείων ἀνδρῶν ἐδιδάχθημεν. « Σπέρματος γὰρ ᾿Αὐραὰμ ἐπιλαμθάνεται. ν Καὶ ὁ Δεσπότης Θεὸς πρὸς τὸν πατριάρχην ἔφη" ε« Ἐν τῷ απέρματί σου εὐλογηθήσεται πάντα τὰ ἔθνη τῆς γῆς» καὶ ὁ ᾿Απόστολος᾽ ε Πρόδηλον γὰρ, ὅτι ἐξ ᾿Ιούδα ἀνατέταλκεν ὁ Κύριος. » Καὶ ἑτέρας δὲ πολλὰς τοιαύτας παρηγάγομεν μαρτυρίας. Ἐπειδὴ δὲ καὶ ἑτέρων ἀκοῦσαι ποθεῖς, ἄχουδον τοῦ ᾿Αποστόλου λέγοντος " « Πᾶς γὰρ ἀρχιερεὺς, ἐξ ἀνθρώπων λαμθανόμενος, εἰς τὸ προσφέρειν δῶρα καὶ θυσίας καθίσταται. » “Ὅθεν ἀναγκαῖον ἔχειν τι καὶ τοῦτον ὃ προσενέγκῃ. ΟΡΘ. Αὐτὸς ἁ θεΐος ᾿Απόστολος ἐν αὐτῷ γε τῷ χωρίῳ διδάσκει σαφῶς. Μετ᾿ ὀλίγα γὰρ οὕτω φησί’ « Διὸ εἰσερχόμϑνος εἰς τὸν κόσμον, λέγει’ Θυσίαν καὶ κροσφορὰν οὐκ ἠθέλησας, σῶμα δὲ κατηρτίσω μοι. » Θὺχ εἶπεν, Εἰς σῶμα μεταδέδληχας, ἀλλὰ, ε Σῶμα κατηρτίσω μοι. » Δηλοῖ δὲ τὴν ὑπὸ τοῦ Πνεύματος τοῦ σώματος γεγενημένην διάπλασιν, κατὰ τὴν τοῦ Εὐαγγελίου φωνήν’ « Μὴ φοδηθῇς γὰρ, φησὶ, παραλαδεῖν Μαριὰμ τὴν γυναῖκά σου" τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γϑνντθὲν ἐκ Πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίον. » ΕΡΑΝ. Σῶμα τοίνυν ἡ Παρθένος μόνον ἐγέννησεν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐδὲ αὐτὴν, ὡς ἔοικε, κατενόησας τῶν συλλαδῶν τὴν συνθήκην, ἥπου γ8 τὴν διάνοιαν. Τὸν γὰρ «ἂς συλλήψεως, οὐ τὸν τῆς γεννήσεως τρόπον, διδάσχεν τὸν Ἰωσήφ. Οὐ γὰρ εἶπε᾽ Τὸ ἐξ αὐτῆς γεννηθὲν, τοῦτ᾽ ἔστι ποιηθὲν, ἢ πλασθὲν, ἐκ Πνεύματός ἔστιν ἁγίου. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ ὁ Ἰωσὴφ, ἀγνοῶν τὸ μυστήριον, μοιχείαν ὑπώπτευσεν, ἐδιδάχθη σαφῶς τοῦ Πνεύματος τὴν διάπλασιν. Ταῦτα διὰ τοῦ Προφήτου μηνύων, εἴρηκε’ ε Σῶμα δὲ κατηρτίσω μοι. » Πνευματικὸς δέ γε ὧν, ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος ἡρμήνευσε τὴν πρόῤῥησιν. Εἰ τοίνυν ἴδιον ἱερέων τὸ δῶρα προσφέρειν, ἱερεὺς δὲ ὁ Χριστὸς κατὰ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον ἐχρημάτισε, προσενήνοχε δὲ οὐκ ἄλλην τινὰ θυσίαν, ἀλλὰ τὸ σῶμα τὸ ἑαυτοῦ, σῶμα ἄρα εἶχεν ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστός.
ERAN. Kai mystikōs errhethē ta mystika, kai saphōs edēlōthē ta pasin ou gnōrima. Epeidē toinyn synōmologētai, kau stolēn kai peridolēn hypo tou patriarchou to Despotikon ōnomasthai sōma, eis de ton peri tōn theiōn mnstēriōn eiselēlythamen logon, eipe pros tēs alētheias, tinos hēgę̄ symtholon te kai typon tēn panagian trophēn? tēs theotētos tou Despotou Christou, hē tou sōmatos kai tou aimatos? ERAN. Dēlon hōs echeinōn, hōn kai ta: prosēgorias edexanto. ORTh. Tou sōmatos kai tou aimatos legeis? ThRTh. Philalēthōs eirēkas. Kai gar ho Kyrios to symdolon ladōn, ouk eipe" Touto hostin hē theotēs mou" alla, «e« Touto esti to sōma mou" n kai palin’ « Touto esti to haima mou" n kai heterōthi" e Ho de ar- Ō tos hon egō dōsō, hē sarx mou estin, hēn egō dōsō hyper tēs tou kosmou zōēs. » ERAN. ᾿Alēthē tauta, theïa gar est! logia. toinyn alēthę̄, sōma dēpou eichen ho Kyrios. ERAN. Egō gar auton asōmaton legō. ERAN. ᾿Egō legō hoti ho Logos sarx egeneto᾽ hou pōs gar edidachthēn. menon pithon antloumen᾽ meta gar ekeinas hapasas tas apodeixeis, kai tas tōn antitheseōn lyseis, tous auchous prospherō. ORTh. Egō de tōn euangelikōn «tēn hermēneian ouk ek prophētikōn soi kai apostolikōn prosegē- ERAN. Ouk apochrōsin ekeinoi to zētoumenon lysai. ORTh. Kai mēn edeixamen hōs, aoratos hōn, ephanerthē dia sarkos. Kai autēs de tēs sarkos tēn syngeneian para tōn theiōn andrōn edidachthēmen. « Spermatos gar ᾿Auraam epilamthanetai. n Kai ho Despotēs Theos pros ton patriarchēn ephē" e« En tǭ apermati sou eulogēthēsetai panta ta ethnē tēs gēs» kai ho ᾿Apostolos᾽ e Prodēlon gar, hoti ex ᾿Iouda anatetalken ho Kyrios. » Kai heteras de pollas toiautas parēgagomen martyrias. Epeidē de kai heterōn akousai potheis, achoudon tou ᾿Apostolou legontos " « Pas gar archiereus, ex anthrōpōn lamthanomenos, eis to prospherein dōra kai thysias kathistatai. » “Hothen anankaion echein ti kai touton ho prosenenkę̄. ORTh. Autos ha theïos ᾿Apostolos en autǭ ge tǭ chōriǭ didaskei saphōs. Met᾿ oliga gar houtō phēsi’ « Dio eiserchomϑnos eis ton kosmon, legei’ Thysian kai krosphoran ouk ēthelēsas, sōma de katērtisō moi. » Thych eipen, Eis sōma metadedlēchas, alla, e Sōma katērtisō moi. » Dēloi de tēn hypo tou Pneumatos tou sōmatos gegenēmenēn diaplasin, kata tēn tou Euangeliou phōnēn’ « Mē phodēthę̄s gar, phēsi, paraladein Mariam tēn gynaika sou" to gar en autę̄ gϑnntthen ek Pneumatos estin hagion. » ERAN. Sōma toinyn hē Parthenos monon egennēsen. ORTh. Oude autēn, hōs eoike, katenoēsas tōn sylladōn tēn synthēkēn, hēpou g8 tēn dianoian. Ton gar «as syllēpseōs, ou ton tēs gennēseōs tropon, didaschen ton Iōsēph. Ou gar eipe᾽ To ex autēs gennēthen, tout᾽ esti poiēthen, ē plasthen, ek Pneumatos estin hagiou. Epeidē gar ho Iōsēph, agnoōn to mystērion, moicheian hypōpteusen, edidachthē saphōs tou Pneumatos tēn diaplasin. Tauta dia tou Prophētou mēnyōn, eirēke’ e Sōma de katērtisō moi. » Pneumatikos de ge hōn, ho theios ᾿Apostolos hērmēneuse tēn prorrhēsin. Ei toinyn idion hiereōn to dōra prospherein, hiereus de ho Christos kata to anthrōpinon echrēmatise, prosenēnoche de ouk allēn tina thysian, alla to sōma to heautou, sōma ara eichen ho Despotēs Christos.
Eranistes: Both the mystical things have been spoken mystically, and what is not known to all has been clearly shown. Orthodoxos: Since, then, it is agreed that the Master's body was named robe and garment by the patriarch, and we have entered on the discussion of the divine mysteries, tell me, by the truth: of what do you consider the all-holy food to be a symbol and type? Of the Godhead of the Master Christ, or of the body and blood? Eranistes: Clearly of those whose names they have received. Orthodoxos: You mean of the body and the blood? … Orthodoxos: You have spoken as a lover of truth. For the Lord, taking the symbol, did not say, “This is my Godhead,” but “This is my body,” and again, “This is my blood”; and elsewhere, “And the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.” Eranistes: These things are true, for they are divine oracles. [Orthodoxos: If they are] true, then the Lord surely had a body. Eranistes: Do I, then, say that he is bodiless? … Eranistes: I say that the Word became flesh; for so I was taught. … we are drawing water into a [leaking] jar; for after all those proofs and the solutions of the objections, you bring forward the same things. Orthodoxos: Did I not offer you the interpretation of the Gospel sayings from the prophetic and apostolic [writings]? Eranistes: Those do not suffice to resolve the question. Orthodoxos: And yet we showed that, being invisible, he was manifested through flesh. And we have been taught by the divine men the kinship of the flesh itself: “For he takes hold of the seed of Abraham.” And the Master God said to the patriarch, “In your seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed”; and the Apostle: “For it is evident that the Lord has sprung from Judah.” And we brought forward many other such testimonies. But since you long to hear others too, hear the Apostle saying, “For every high priest taken from among human beings is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices”; “hence it is necessary for this one too to have something to offer.” … Orthodoxos: The divine Apostle himself teaches this clearly in that very passage. For a little later he says thus: “Therefore, coming into the world, he says: Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but a body you prepared for me.” He did not say, “You changed me into a body,” but “A body you prepared for me.” And he indicates the forming of the body by the Spirit, according to the word of the Gospel: “For do not fear,” it says, “to take Mary your wife; for what has been begotten in her is of the Holy Spirit.” Eranistes: Then the Virgin gave birth to a body only. Orthodoxos: It seems you have not grasped even the arrangement of the syllables, much less the meaning. For [the angel] was teaching Joseph the manner of the conception, not of the birth. For he did not say, “What is born of her,” that is, made or formed, “is of the Holy Spirit.” For since Joseph, not knowing the mystery, suspected adultery, he was clearly taught that the forming was the Spirit's. Indicating this through the prophet, he said, “But a body you prepared for me”; and the divine Apostle, being spiritual, interpreted the prophecy. If, then, it is proper to priests to offer gifts, and Christ was called priest according to his humanity, and offered no other sacrifice but his own body, then the Master Christ had a body.
Gen 49:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 26:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:51 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 22:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 7:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 5:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 8:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 10:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 40:6 (39:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 1:20 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos argues that the eucharistic symbols are types of Christ's body and blood, not of his Godhead, and that Christ as high priest offered his own body, which the Spirit formed in the Virgin (Heb 10:5; Matt 1:20).
- Several lines and speaker labels have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed; 'drawing water into a leaking jar' is a proverb for useless labor (the adjective is garbled in the OCR). Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Matt 26:26, 28; John 6:51; Heb 2:16; Gen 22:18; Heb 7:14; Heb 5:1; Heb 8:3; Heb 10:5 quoting Ps 40:6 (LXX 39:7); Matt 1:20.
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- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): ατὰ οἱ η 8 ὃ ΤΙΝ: ε [δὲο 651 ϑδηριυ δ πιο ὶ5 ὅδ τ ν» οἱ δ] }0ὲὶ : « Ρᾶ → ; φυλα,. Ὁοὑπὲρ → ὑπὲρ.
Topics: Eucharist, Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.10 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-10
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
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ΕΡΑΝ. Πολλάκις εἰπὼν, ὡς οὐδὲ ἐγὼ ἀσώματον φανῆναι τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον φημί" οὐ μὴν δὲ αὐτὸν σῶμα ἀνειληφέναι, ἀλλὰ σάρκα γενέσθαι λέγω. ΟΡΘ. Κατὰ τὴν παροιμίαν, ὡς ἔοικεν, εἰς ττρῃη- Ὡς ὁρῶ, πρὸς τοὺς Βαλεντίνον, καὶ Μαρκίωνα προφέρειν. Μᾶλλον δὲ οὔτε ἐκεῖνοι τραπῆναι εἰς σάοχα τὴν ἄτρεπτον φύσιν εἰπεῖν ἐτόλμησαν πώποτε. ΕΡΑΝ. Τὸ λοιδορεῖν, Χριστιανῶν ἀλλότριον. μεν, καὶ λίαν ἀσχάλλομεν, ὅτι τοῖς ἀναμφιλέχτοις ὡς ἀμφιλέχτοις ζυγομαχεῖτε. Ἐγὼ μέντοι τὸ ἀγεννές σου καὶ φιλόνεικον διαλῦσαι πειράσομαι. ᾿Απόκριναι τοίνυν, τῶν πρὸς τὸν Δαδὶδ παρὰ Θεοῦ γεγενημένων ὑποσχέσεων εἰ μέμνησαι; ΟΡΘ. “Ἂς ἐν τῷ ὀγδοηκοστῷ ὀγδόῳ ψαλμῷ συν» γεγενημένας " ποίας οὖν. ἐπὶ τοῦ παρόντος ἐπι». ζητεῖς; ΟΡΘ. Τὰς περὶ τοῦ Δεσπότου Χριστοῦ. ΕΡΑΝ. Αὐτὸς ἀνάμνησον τῶν ῥητῶν" αὑτὸς γὰρ ὑπέσχου προσφέρειν τὰς ἀποδείξεις. ΟΡΘ. "Ἄκουσον τοίνυν εὐθὺς ἐν τῇ ἀρχῇ τοῦ ψαλμοῦ τοῦ Προφήτου τὸν Θεὸν ἀνυμνοῦντος. χοῖς γὰρ προϊδὼν ὀφθαλμοῖς τὴν ἐσομένην τοῦ λαοῦ παρανομίαν καὶ τὴν διὰ ταύτην γενησομένην αἷχμαλωσίαν, τῶν ἀψευδῶν ὑποσχέσεων τὸν οἰκεῖον ἀνύμνησε Δεσπότην. Ἔφη δὲ οὕτως" ε Τὰ ἐλέη σου, Κύριε, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα ἄσομαι, εἰς γενεὰν καὶ γενεὰν ἀπαγγελῶ τὴν ἀλήθειάν σον ἐν τῷ στόματέ μου. Ὅτι εἶπας " εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα ἕλεος οἰκοδομηθήσεται, ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς ἑτοιμασθήσεται ἡ ἀλήθειά σου. » Διὰ δὲ τούτων πάντων ὁ Προφήτης διδάσκει, καὶ τὴν διὰ φιλανθρωπίαν παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ γεγενημόνὴν ἐπαγγελίαν, καὶ τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τὸ ἀψευδές. Εἶτα λέγει τίνα τε καὶ τίσιν ὑπέσχετο, αὐτὸν φθεγγόμενον ἐπιδεικνὺς τὸν Θεόν. ε Διεθέμην γὰρ, φησὶ, διαθήκην τοῖς ἐκλεκτοῖς μου. » Ἐχιλεκτοὺς δὲ τοὺς πατριάρχας ἐκάλεσεν. Ἔπειτα ἐπιφέρει «"Ὥμοσα Δαδὶδ, τῷ δούλῳ μου. » Λέγει ὃὲ καὶ περὶ τίνος ὥμοσεν: « Ἕως τοῦ αἰῶνος ἑτοιμάσω τὸ σπέρμα σου, καὶ οἰκοδομήσω εἰς γενεὰν καὶ γενεὰν τὸν θρόνον σου. » Εἰπὲ τοίνυν τίνα τὸ σπέρμα τοῦ Δαδὶδ ΕΡΑΝ. Περὶ τοῦ Σολομῶντος ἡ ἐπαγγελία γεγένῆται. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν καὶ πρὸς τοὺς πατριάρχας περὶ τοῦ Σολομῶντος ἐποιήσατο τὰς συνθήκας. Πρὸ γὰρ τῶν περὶ τοῦ Δαθδὶδ εἰρημένων, τῶν ὑποσχέσεων τῶν πρὸς ἐκείνους ἀνέμνησε. ε« Διεθέμην γὰρ, φησὶ, διαθήκην τοῖς ἐκλεκτοῖς μον. » Ὑπέσχετο δὲ τοῖς πατριάρχαις ἐν τῷ σπέρματι αὐτῶν εὐλογήσειν πάντα τὰ ἔθνη. Δεῖξον τοίνυν εὐλογημένα διὰ Σολομῶντος τὰ ἔθνη. ΕΡΑΝ. Ταύτην τοίνυν τὴν ἐπαγγελίαν, οὐ διὰ τοῦ Σολομῶντος, ἀλλὰ διὰ τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν πεπλή-
ERAN. Pollakis eipōn, hōs oude egō asōmaton phanēnai ton Theon Logon phēmi" ou mēn de auton sōma aneilēphenai, alla sarka genesthai legō. ORTh. Kata tēn paroimian, hōs eoiken, eis ttrę̄ē- Hōs horō, pros tous Balentinon, kai Markiōna propherein. Mallon de oute ekeinoi trapēnai eis saocha tēn atrepton physin eipein etolmēsan pōpote. ERAN. To loidorein, Christianōn allotrion. men, kai lian aschallomen, hoti tois anamphilechtois hōs amphilechtois zygomacheite. Egō mentoi to agennes sou kai philoneikon dialysai peirasomai. ᾿Apokrinai toinyn, tōn pros ton Dadid para Theou gegenēmenōn hyposcheseōn ei memnēsai? ORTh. “As en tǭ ogdoēkostǭ ogdoǭ psalmǭ syn» gegenēmenas " poias oun. epi tou parontos epi». zēteis? ORTh. Tas peri tou Despotou Christou. ERAN. Autos anamnēson tōn rhētōn" hautos gar hypeschou prospherein tas apodeixeis. ORTh. "Akouson toinyn euthys en tę̄ archę̄ tou psalmou tou Prophētou ton Theon anymnountos. chois gar proïdōn ophthalmois tēn esomenēn tou laou paranomian kai tēn dia tautēn genēsomenēn haichmalōsian, tōn apseudōn hyposcheseōn ton oikeion anymnēse Despotēn. Ephē de houtōs" e Ta eleē sou, Kyrie, eis ton aiōna asomai, eis genean kai genean apangelō tēn alētheian son en tǭ stomate mou. Hoti eipas " eis ton aiōna heleos oikodomēthēsetai, en tois ouranois hetoimasthēsetai hē alētheia sou. » Dia de toutōn pantōn ho Prophētēs didaskei, kai tēn dia philanthrōpian para tou Theou gegenēmonēn epangelian, kai tēs epangelias to apseudes. Eita legei tina te kai tisin hypescheto, auton phthengomenon epideiknys ton Theon. e Diethemēn gar, phēsi, diathēkēn tois eklektois mou. » Echilektous de tous patriarchas ekalesen. Epeita epipherei «"Hōmosa Dadid, tǭ doulǭ mou. » Legei hoe kai peri tinos hōmosen: « Heōs tou aiōnos hetoimasō to sperma sou, kai oikodomēsō eis genean kai genean ton thronon sou. » Eipe toinyn tina to sperma tou Dadid ERAN. Peri tou Solomōntos hē epangelia gegenētai. ORTh. Oukoun kai pros tous patriarchas peri tou Solomōntos epoiēsato tas synthēkas. Pro gar tōn peri tou Dathdid eirēmenōn, tōn hyposcheseōn tōn pros ekeinous anemnēse. e« Diethemēn gar, phēsi, diathēkēn tois eklektois mon. » Hypescheto de tois patriarchais en tǭ spermati autōn eulogēsein panta ta ethnē. Deixon toinyn eulogēmena dia Solomōntos ta ethnē. ERAN. Tautēn toinyn tēn epangelian, ou dia tou Solomōntos, alla dia tou Sōtēros hēmōn peplē-
Eranistes: I have often said that I too do not say that God the Word appeared without a body; yet I say not that he assumed a body, but that he became flesh. Orthodoxos: As the proverb has it, it seems, [we are] … As I see, … to bring forward against [the followers of] Valentinus and Marcion. Or rather, not even they ever dared to say that the immutable nature was changed into flesh. Eranistes: Reviling is foreign to Christians. [Orthodoxos:] … we [do not revile], but we are much vexed that you fight over undisputed things as though they were disputed. Yet I will try to dissolve your ignoble love of strife. Answer, then: do you remember the promises made by God to David? [Eranistes: I remember those] recorded in the eighty-eighth psalm; which of them, then, are you asking about at present? Orthodoxos: Those about the Master Christ. Eranistes: You yourself recall the words; for you yourself promised to bring forward the proofs. Orthodoxos: Hear, then, the prophet at the very beginning of the psalm hymning God. For having foreseen with prophetic eyes the lawlessness of the people that was to come and the captivity that would come because of it, he hymned his own Master for his promises that do not lie. He spoke thus: “Your mercies, Lord, I will sing forever; to generation and generation I will proclaim your truth with my mouth. For you said: Mercy will be built up forever; in the heavens your truth will be prepared.” By all these the prophet teaches both the promise made by God out of love for humankind and the truthfulness of the promise. Then he says what he promised and to whom, showing God himself speaking: “For I made a covenant,” he says, “with my chosen ones.” He called the patriarchs chosen. Then he adds: “I swore to David my servant.” And he says also what he swore about: “I will prepare your seed forever, and I will build your throne to generation and generation.” Tell me, then, whom [you take to be] the seed of David … Eranistes: The promise was made about Solomon. Orthodoxos: Then he also made his covenants with the patriarchs about Solomon. For before what was said about David he recalled the promises made to them: “For I made a covenant,” he says, “with my chosen ones.” And he promised the patriarchs to bless all the nations in their seed. Show me, then, the nations blessed through Solomon. Eranistes: This promise, then, was fulfilled not through Solomon but through our Savior …
Ps 89:1 (88:2 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:2 (88:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:3 (88:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:4 (88:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 22:18 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Eranistes repeats that the Word became flesh rather than assuming a body; Orthodoxos turns to God's oath to David in Ps 89 and gets him to admit that the promise was fulfilled not in Solomon but in Christ.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed, including the proverb Orthodoxos quotes and most of his sentence about Valentinus and Marcion, second-century teachers whom Theodoret counts among heretics who held that Christ's body was not truly human. 'The eighty-eighth psalm' is Ps 89 in Protestant numbering (LXX 88). Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Ps 89:1–4 (LXX 88:2–5); Gen 22:18 (allusion).
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Topics: Christology, Heresy
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.12PG 83
ΟΡΘ. Καὶ τοίνυν ταῖς πρὸς τὸν Δαδὶδ γεγενημέναις ἐπαγγελίαις ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸς τὸ πέρας ἐπέθηκεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐγὼ ταύτας ἡγοῦμαι τὰς ὑποσχέσεις ἧ περὶ τοῦ Σολομῶντος, ἣ περὶ τοῦ Ζοροδάδελ τὸν Θεὸν πεποιηκέναι. ΟΡΘ. Πρὸ βραχέος, τοῖς Μαρκίωνος, καὶ Βαλεντίνου, καὶ Μάνητος ἐχέχρησο λόγοις " νῦν δὲ πρὸς τὴν ἐναντίαν ἐκ διαμέτρου συμμορίαν μεταδέδηχας, καὶ τῇ τῶν Ἰουδαίων ἀναιδείᾳ συνηγορεῖς. Ἴδιον δὲ τοῦτο τῶν τῆς εὐθείας ἐκτρεπομένων ὁδοῦ - τῇδε γὰρ ἘΡΑΝ. Τοὺς λοιδορίᾳ χρωμένους ὁ ᾿Απόστολος ΟΡΘ. Ἐὰν μάτην λοιδορῶσιν. Ἐπεὶ καὶ αὐτὸς ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος εἰς καιρὸν ἔστιν ὅτε κέχρηται τῷ εἴδει, καὶ Γαλάτας μὲν ἀνοήτους ὀνομάζει, περὶ δὲ ἄλλων φησίν " « Ανθρωπὸι χατεφθαρμένοι τὸν νοῦν, ἀδόχιμο: περὶ τὴν πίστιν" » καὶ αὖ πάλιν περὶ ἐτέρων’ « Ὧν ὁ θεὸς ἡ κοιλία, καὶ ἡ δόξα ἐν τῇ αἰσχύνῃ αὐτῶν, » καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐγὼ τοίνυν ποίαν σοι! παρέσχον λοιδορίας ἀφορμήν; ΟΡΘ. Τὸ τοῖς προδηλοτάτοις τῆς ἀληθείας ἐχθροῖς 6 εὐθύμω; συνηγορεῖν, ἢ οὐ δοκεῖ σοι πρόφασις εὐλογωτάτῃ τοῖς εὐσεθδέσιν εἶναι πρὸς ἀγανάκτησιν αὔτ, γοις πρὸς τὴν ἀλήθειαν : ΕΡΑΝ. Πῶς καὶ τίνι τρόπῳ; ΟΡΘ. Ἰουδαῖοι τῷ Σολομῶντι καὶ τῷ Ζοροδάδελ τὰς τοιαύτας προσαρμόττουσι προφητείας, ἵνα τὸ χρη δὲ καὶ αὐτὰ τὰ ῥήματα διελέγξαι αὐτὼν τὴν παρανομίαν. ε« Ἕως γὰρ, φησὶ, τοῦ αἰῶνος ἑτοιμάσω τὸν θρόνον σου. » Οὐ μόνον δὲ Σολομὼν καὶ Ζοροδάδελ, οἷς τὰς τοιαύτας προσαρμόττουσι προφητείας, οἱ τὸν ὡρισμένον βιώσαντες χρόνον, τοῦ βίου τὸ τέρμα Ὦ χατέλαδον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἅπαν ἀπέσδη τοῦ Δαθδὶδ τὸ γένος. Τίς γὰρ ἐπίσταται σήμερον ἐκ τῆς Δαυϊτιχῆς ΕΡΑΝ. Οἱ καλούμενοι οὖἦν τῶν Ἰουδαίων πατριάρχαι, οὐκ ἐκ τῆς Δαυϊτιχῆς ὑπάρχουσι συγ- ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλὰ πόθεν ὁρμῶνται - ΟΡΘ. Ἐξ Ἡρώδου τοῦ ἀλλοφύλου, ὅς πατρόθεν μὲν ᾿Ασκαλωνίτης ἐτύγχανεν ὧν, μητρόθεν δὲ Ἶδου.μαῖος. Ἄλλως τε καὶ αὐτοὶ παντελῶς ἠφανίσθησαν, καὶ χρόνος διελήλυθεν, ἐξ οὗ καὶ ἡ τούτων ἡγεμονία τὸ πέρας ἐδέξατο. Ὁ δὲ Δεσπότης Θεὸς, οὗ μόνόν τὸ σπέρμα τοὺ Δαδὶδ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τηρήδειν, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὴν βασιλείαν ἀκατάλυτον φυλάξειν ὑπέσχετα. ε Οἶκοδομήσω γὰρ, ἔφη, εἰς γενεὰν καὶ γενεὰν τὸν θρόνον δου. » Ὁρῶμεν δὲ αὐτοῦ καὶ τὸ γένος φροῦδον, καὶ τὴν βασιλείαν δεξαμένην τὸ πέρας. Καὶ ταῦτά δὲ ὁῤῶντες, ἴσμεν τοῦ Θεοῦ τῶν ὅλων τὸ ἀψευδές. ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς ἀψευδὴς ὁ Θὲός ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν ἀληθὴς ὁ θεὸς, ὥσπερ οὖν ἀληθὲς, ὑπέσχετο δὲ τῷ Δαδὶδ καὶ τὸ γένος εἰς τὸν αἰῶνά φυλάξειν, καὶ τὴν βασιλείαν ἀδιάδοχον τηρήσειν, οὔτε δὲ τὸ γένος ὁρῶμεν, οὔτε τὴν βασιλείαν ’ ἀμφότερα γὰρ ἐπαύσατο κῶς πείδομεν τοὺς ἀντιλέγόντας ὡς ἀψευδὴς ὁ Θεός,
ORTh. Kai toinyn tais pros ton Dadid gegenēmenais epangeliais ho Despotēs Christos to peras epethēken. ERAN. Egō tautas hēgoumai tas hyposcheseis hē peri tou Solomōntos, hē peri tou Zorodadel ton Theon pepoiēkenai. ORTh. Pro bracheos, tois Markiōnos, kai Balentinou, kai Manētos echechrēso logois " nyn de pros tēn enantian ek diametrou symmorian metadedēchas, kai tę̄ tōn Ioudaiōn anaideią synēgoreis. Idion de touto tōn tēs eutheias ektrepomenōn hodou - tę̄de gar ERAN. Tous loidorią chrōmenous ho ᾿Apostolos ORTh. Ean matēn loidorōsin. Epei kai autos ho theios ᾿Apostolos eis kairon estin hote kechrētai tǭ eidei, kai Galatas men anoētous onomazei, peri de allōn phēsin " « Anthrōpoi chatephtharmenoi ton noun, adochimo: peri tēn pistin" » kai au palin peri eterōn’ « Hōn ho theos hē koilia, kai hē doxa en tę̄ aischynę̄ autōn, » kai ta hexēs. ERAN. Egō toinyn poian soi! pareschon loidorias aphormēn? ORTh. To tois prodēlotatois tēs alētheias echthrois 6 euthymō? synēgorein, ē ou dokei soi prophasis eulogōtatę̄ tois eusethdesin einai pros aganaktēsin aut, gois pros tēn alētheian : ERAN. Pōs kai tini tropǭ? ORTh. Ioudaioi tǭ Solomōnti kai tǭ Zorodadel tas toiautas prosarmottousi prophēteias, hina to chrē de kai auta ta rhēmata dielenxai autōn tēn paranomian. e« Heōs gar, phēsi, tou aiōnos hetoimasō ton thronon sou. » Ou monon de Solomōn kai Zorodadel, hois tas toiautas prosarmottousi prophēteias, hoi ton hōrismenon biōsantes chronon, tou biou to terma Ō chateladon, alla kai hapan apesdē tou Dathdid to genos. Tis gar epistatai sēmeron ek tēs Dauïtichēs ERAN. Hoi kaloumenoi ouēn tōn Ioudaiōn patriarchai, ouk ek tēs Dauïtichēs hyparchousi syg- ERAN. ᾿Alla pothen hormōntai - ORTh. Ex Hērōdou tou allophylou, hos patrothen men ᾿Askalōnitēs etynchanen hōn, mētrothen de Idou.maios. Allōs te kai autoi pantelōs ēphanisthēsan, kai chronos dielēlythen, ex hou kai hē toutōn hēgemonia to peras edexato. Ho de Despotēs Theos, hou monon to sperma tou Dadid eis ton aiōna tērēdein, alla kai tēn basileian akatalyton phylaxein hypescheta. e Oikodomēsō gar, ephē, eis genean kai genean ton thronon dou. » Horōmen de autou kai to genos phroudon, kai tēn basileian dexamenēn to peras. Kai tauta de horōntes, ismen tou Theou tōn holōn to apseudes. ERAN. Dēlon hōs apseudēs ho Theos ORTh. Ei toinyn alēthēs ho theos, hōsper oun alēthes, hypescheto de tǭ Dadid kai to genos eis ton aiōna phylaxein, kai tēn basileian adiadochon tērēsein, oute de to genos horōmen, oute tēn basileian ’ amphotera gar epausato kōs peidomen tous antilegontas hōs apseudēs ho Theos,
Orthodoxos: Then the Master Christ brought the promises made to David to their fulfilment. Eranistes: I think that God made these promises either about Solomon or about Zerubbabel. Orthodoxos: A little while ago you were using the arguments of Marcion, Valentinus, and Mani; now you have gone over to the band diametrically opposed to them, and you plead the cause of the shamelessness of the Jews. This is characteristic of those who turn aside from the straight road: for this way … Eranistes: The Apostle [excludes] those who use reviling … Orthodoxos: If they revile without cause. For the divine Apostle himself sometimes uses this form at the right moment: he calls the Galatians foolish, and of others he says, “people corrupted in mind, disqualified regarding the faith,” and again of others, “whose god is the belly, and whose glory is in their shame,” and what follows. Eranistes: What occasion for reviling, then, did I give you? Orthodoxos: That you plead for the most obvious enemies of the truth. Or does it not seem to you a most reasonable ground for indignation among the godly, [to plead for those who are hostile] to the truth? Eranistes: How, and in what way? Orthodoxos: The Jews fit such prophecies to Solomon and to Zerubbabel, so that … But the very words refute their lawlessness. “For I will prepare your throne forever,” he says. Not only did Solomon and Zerubbabel, to whom they fit such prophecies, reach the end of life after living a fixed time, but the whole race of David has also been extinguished. For who today knows [anyone] of David's [line]? Eranistes: Are not the so-called patriarchs of the Jews of David's lineage? … Eranistes: But where do they come from? Orthodoxos: From Herod the foreigner, who was an Ascalonite on his father's side and an Idumaean on his mother's. Besides, they themselves have completely disappeared, and time has passed since their rule too came to an end. But the Master God promised not only to keep the seed of David forever, but also to guard the kingdom undissolved. “For I will build your throne,” he said, “to generation and generation.” Yet we see both his race gone and the kingdom come to an end. And though we see this, we know that the God of the universe does not lie. Eranistes: Clearly God does not lie. Orthodoxos: If, then, God is true, as indeed he is, and he promised David both to keep his race forever and to preserve the kingdom without break in succession, yet we see neither the race nor the kingdom (for both have ceased), how shall we persuade those who contradict that God does not lie …
Gal 3:1 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Tim 3:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 3:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:4 (88:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: When Eranistes refers God's promise to David to Solomon or Zerubbabel, Orthodoxos charges him with siding with the Jews and argues that David's line and kingdom have ended, so the eternal promise is fulfilled only in Christ.
- Theodoret's polemic against the Jews ('shamelessness', 'the most obvious enemies of the truth', 'lawlessness') is translated as written; it is his own charge. His claim that the Jewish patriarchs descended from Herod, and that their office had ended, is also his; the patriarchate in Palestine lapsed about 425. Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations and allusions: Gal 3:1; 2 Tim 3:8; Phil 3:19; Ps 89:4 (LXX 88:5).
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Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.12 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.13PG 83
ΟΡΘ. Ἐπεὶ τοίνυν συνωμολόγησας, δεῦρο δὴ καὶ ἐὰ μέσα τοῦ ψαλμοῦ κοινῇ διασκοπήσωμεν ᾿ εἰσόμεθα γὰρ σαφέστερον τῆς προφητείας τὸν νοῦν. δων χἀγώ. ΟΡΘ. Πολλὰ περὶ τοῦδε τοῦ σπέρματος ὁπόσχόμενος ὁ Θεὸς, ὡς καὶ κανὰ θάλατταν καὶ χὰ τὰ γὴν χράτῆόσει, χὰἀὶ τῶν ἐπὶ γῆς βασιλευόντων ὑπέρτερος ἔσται, καὺ πρωτότοκος τοῦ Θέοῦ γληθήσεται, καὶ τὸν Θεὸν σὺν παῤῥησίᾳ κάλέσει Πατέῤα, καὶ ταῦτα προστέθειχεν" ε« Εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα φυλάξω αὐτῷ τὸ ἔλεός μὸν καὶ ἣ διαϑήχη μου πιστὴ αὐτῷ καὶ θήσομαι εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος τὸ σπέρμα αὐτοῦ, ( καὶ τὸν θρόνον αὑτοῦ, ὡς τὰς ἡμέρας τοῦ οὐρανοῦ. ν ΕΡΑΝ. "ὑπὲρ φύσιν ἀνθριπέίαν ἡ ἐπαγγελία. Ἐὸ ἀνώλεθρον γὰῤ' καὶ αἴώνιόν ἔχει καὶ ἡ ζωὴ καὶ ἣ τιμή " οἱ δὲ ἄνθρωποι πρόσκαιροι. Ἢ τε γὰρ φύσις δλιγόδιος, καὺ βασιλεία, κἀν τῇ ζωῇ, πολλὰς ἔχει μόνῳ προσἥκει τῷ Σωτῆρι Χριστῷ τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τὸ μέγεθος. τοιγαροῦν καὶ πρὸς τὰ χοιπά. Βεθαιοτέρα γάρ σοι πάντως ἡ περὶ τούτου δόξα νενῆσεται. Λέγει γὰρ πάλιν ὁ τῶν ὅλων Θεός - « Ἅπαξ ὥμοσα ἐν τῷ ἁγίῳ μου, εἰ τῷ Δαδὶδ ψεύσομαι. Τὸ σπέρμα αὑτοῦ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα μενεῖ, καὶ ὁ θρόνος αὐτοῦ ὡς ὁ ἥλοος ἐναντίον μου, καὶ ὡς ἡ σελῆνη κατηρτισμένη εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. ν Καὶ τὸ ἀληθὲς; τῆς. θ ἐπαγγελίας δεικνὺς ἐπήγαγε" «ε Καὶ ὁ μάρτυς ἐν οὐὖρανῷ πιστός. ν ΕΡΑΝ. Χρὴ τοῖς παρὰ τοῦ πιστοῦ μάρτυρος ἐπηγγελμένοις ἀνενδοιάστως πιστεύειν. Εἰ γὰρ ἄνθρώποις ἀληθεύειν ἐπηγγελμένοις, κἂν μὴ βεδαιῶσιν ὅρκῳ τοὺς λόγους, πιστεύειν εἰώθαμεν, τίς οὕτως ἐμόρόντητος, ὡς ἀπιστῆσαι τῷ Ποιητῇ τοῦ παντὸς, ὄρκον ἐπιτιθέντι τοῖς λόγοις - Ὃ γὰρ τοῖς ἄλλοις ἀπαγορεύων ὀμνύναι, τὸ ἀμετάθετον τῆς βουλῆς αὐτοῦ, καθά φησι καὶ ὁ ᾿Απόστολος, ἐμεσίτευσεν ὄρκῳ, ε« Ἵνα διὰ δύο πραγμάτων ἀμεταθέτων ἐν οἷς ἀδύνατον ψεύσασθαι Θεὸν!, ἰσχυρὰν: παράχλητιν ἔχωμεν οἱ χαταφυγόντες χρατῆσσι τῆς προκειμένης ΟΡΘ. Εὲ τοίνυν ἀναμφιλέκτως ἀληθὴς ἡ ὑπόαχεσις, οὐκ ὁρῶμεν δὲ παρὰ ᾿Ιουδαίοις, οὔτε τὸ γένος, οὔτε τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ προφήτου Δαδὶδ, πιστεύσωμεν ἀοιδήλως τὸν Κύριον ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν σπέρμα τοῦ Δαδὶδ κατὰ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον ὀνομάζεαθαι. Αὐτὸς γὰρ ἔχει καὶ τὴν ζωὴν καὶ τὴν βασιλείαν αἰώνιον. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἐνδοιάξομεν, ἀλλ᾽ οὕτω ταῦτ᾽ ἔχειν ΟΡΘ. ᾿Απόχρη μὲν οὖν καὶ ταῦτα δεῖξαι σαφῶς τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν, ἣν ἀνείληφεν ἐκ σπέρματος Δαδὶδ, ἀνθρωπότητα. Ἵνα δὲ τῇ τῶν πλειόνων μαρτυρίᾳ πᾶσαν διχόνοιαν ἐξελάσωμεν, ἀκούσωμὲν τοῦ Θεοῦ διὰ τῆς τοῦ Ἡσαΐου τοῦ προφήτου φωνῆς τῶν πρὸς τὸν Δαδὶδ ὑποσχέσεων μνημονεύοντος. ε Διαθήσω γὰρ, φησὶν, ὑμῖν διαθήκην αἰώνιον. » Καὶ δεικνὺς τὸν νομοθέτην ἐπήγαγε᾽ ε Τὰ ὅσια Δαδιὸ τὰ πιστά. ν Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ ταῦτα τῷ Δαδὶδ ὑπἐαχετο, καὶ διὰ τοῦ Ἡσαΐου ἐφθέγξατο, καὶ περανεῖ πὴν ὑπόσχεσιν. Καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς δὲ τῆς προφητείας τούτοῖς ἐστὶ συνῳδά. Λέγει γάρ" ε« Ἰδοὺ μαρτύριον ἐν ἔθνεσι δέδωκα αὑτὸν, ἄρχοντα καὶ προστάσσοντα ἐν ἔθνεσιν. Ἰδοὺ ἔθνη ἃ οὐκ αἴδασί σε ἐπικαλέσονταί σε, καὶ λαοὶ οἵ οὐκ ἐπίστανταί σε ἐπὶ σὲ χαταφεύδονται. ν Ταῦτα δὲ οὐδενὶ τῶν ἐκ Δαδὶδ ἁρμόττει. Τί: γὰρ τῶν ἐκ Δαβὶδ, κατὰ τὸν Ἡσαΐαν, ἄρχων ἐθνῶν ἀνεδείχθη : Ποῖα δὲ ἔθνη τινὰ τῶν ἐκ Δαδὶδ
ORTh. Epei toinyn synōmologēsas, deuro dē kai ea mesa tou psalmou koinę̄ diaskopēsōmen ᾿ eisometha gar saphesteron tēs prophēteias ton noun. dōn chagō. ORTh. Polla peri toude tou spermatos hoposchomenos ho Theos, hōs kai kana thalattan kai cha ta gēn chratēosei, chaai tōn epi gēs basileuontōn hyperteros estai, kau prōtotokos tou Theou glēthēsetai, kai ton Theon syn parrhēsią kalesei Patera, kai tauta prostetheichen" e« Eis ton aiōna phylaxō autǭ to eleos mon kai hē diaϑēchē mou pistē autǭ kai thēsomai eis ton aiōna tou aiōnos to sperma autou, ( kai ton thronon hautou, hōs tas hēmeras tou ouranou. n ERAN. "hyper physin anthripeian hē epangelia. Eo anōlethron gar' kai aiōnion echei kai hē zōē kai hē timē " hoi de anthrōpoi proskairoi. Ē te gar physis dligodios, kau basileia, kan tę̄ zōę̄, pollas echei monǭ prosēkei tǭ Sōtēri Christǭ tēs epangelias to megethos. toigaroun kai pros ta choipa. Bethaiotera gar soi pantōs hē peri toutou doxa nenēsetai. Legei gar palin ho tōn holōn Theos - « Hapax hōmosa en tǭ hagiǭ mou, ei tǭ Dadid pseusomai. To sperma hautou eis ton aiōna menei, kai ho thronos autou hōs ho hēloos enantion mou, kai hōs hē selēnē katērtismenē eis ton aiōna. n Kai to alēthes? tēs. th epangelias deiknys epēgage" «e Kai ho martys en ouyranǭ pistos. n ERAN. Chrē tois para tou pistou martyros epēngelmenois anendoiastōs pisteuein. Ei gar anthrōpois alētheuein epēngelmenois, kan mē bedaiōsin horkǭ tous logous, pisteuein eiōthamen, tis houtōs emorontētos, hōs apistēsai tǭ Poiētę̄ tou pantos, orkon epitithenti tois logois - Ho gar tois allois apagoreuōn omnynai, to ametatheton tēs boulēs autou, katha phēsi kai ho ᾿Apostolos, emesiteusen orkǭ, e« Hina dia dyo pragmatōn ametathetōn en hois adynaton pseusasthai Theon!, ischyran: parachlētin echōmen hoi chataphygontes chratēssi tēs prokeimenēs ORTh. Ee toinyn anamphilektōs alēthēs hē hypoachesis, ouk horōmen de para ᾿Ioudaiois, oute to genos, oute tēn basileian tou prophētou Dadid, pisteusōmen aoidēlōs ton Kyrion hēmōn Iēsoun Christon sperma tou Dadid kata to anthrōpinon onomazeathai. Autos gar echei kai tēn zōēn kai tēn basileian aiōnion. ERAN. Ouk endoiaxomen, all᾽ houtō taut᾽ echein ORTh. ᾿Apochrē men oun kai tauta deixai saphōs tou Theou kai Sōtēros hēmōn, hēn aneilēphen ek spermatos Dadid, anthrōpotēta. Hina de tę̄ tōn pleionōn martyrią pasan dichonoian exelasōmen, akousōmen tou Theou dia tēs tou Hēsaïou tou prophētou phōnēs tōn pros ton Dadid hyposcheseōn mnēmoneuontos. e Diathēsō gar, phēsin, hymin diathēkēn aiōnion. » Kai deiknys ton nomothetēn epēgage᾽ e Ta hosia Dadio ta pista. n Epeidē gar tauta tǭ Dadid hypeacheto, kai dia tou Hēsaïou ephthenxato, kai peranei pēn hyposchesin. Kai ta hexēs de tēs prophēteias toutois esti synǭda. Legei gar" e« Idou martyrion en ethnesi dedōka hauton, archonta kai prostassonta en ethnesin. Idou ethnē ha ouk aidasi se epikalesontai se, kai laoi hoi ouk epistantai se epi se chatapheudontai. n Tauta de oudeni tōn ek Dadid harmottei. Ti: gar tōn ek Dabid, kata ton Hēsaïan, archōn ethnōn anedeichthē : Poia de ethnē tina tōn ek Dadid
Orthodoxos: Since, then, you have agreed, come, let us examine together the middle of the psalm as well; for we shall know the sense of the prophecy more clearly. … I too. Orthodoxos: God, having promised many things about this seed (that he will rule over sea and land, will be higher than the kings on earth, will be called God's firstborn, and will call God Father with confidence), added this too: “Forever I will keep my mercy for him, and my covenant will be faithful to him; and I will establish his seed forever and ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.” Eranistes: The promise is beyond human nature. For both the life and the honor are indestructible and eternal; but human beings are temporary. For their nature is short-lived, and kingship, even in life, has many … the greatness of the promise belongs to Christ the Savior alone. [Orthodoxos:] Then [attend] to the rest as well; for your opinion about this will become altogether firmer. For again the God of the universe says: “Once I swore by my holiness, that I will not lie to David. His seed will remain forever, and his throne as the sun before me, and as the moon established forever.” And showing the truth of the promise, he added, “And the witness in heaven is faithful.” Eranistes: One must believe without hesitation what has been promised by the faithful witness. For if we are accustomed to believe human beings who promise to tell the truth, even if they do not confirm their words by an oath, who is so stupid as to disbelieve the Maker of the universe when he adds an oath to his words? For he who forbids others to swear guaranteed with an oath, as the Apostle too says, the unchangeableness of his purpose, “so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to take hold of the [hope] set before us.” Orthodoxos: If, then, the promise is indisputably true, and we do not see among the Jews either the race or the kingdom of the prophet David, let us believe without doubt that our Lord Jesus Christ is called the seed of David according to his humanity. For he has both life and kingdom eternal. Eranistes: We do not doubt, but [believe] that this is so. Orthodoxos: These things too suffice to show clearly the humanity of our God and Savior, which he assumed from the seed of David. But in order to drive out all disagreement by the testimony of more witnesses, let us hear God, through the voice of the prophet Isaiah, recalling the promises to David. “For I will make with you,” he says, “an everlasting covenant.” And pointing to the lawgiver, he added: “the holy and faithful things of David.” For since he promised these things to David, and spoke them through Isaiah, he will also fulfil the promise. And what follows in the prophecy agrees with these. For he says: “Behold, I have given him as a witness among the nations, a ruler and commander among the nations. Behold, nations that do not know you will call upon you, and peoples who do not know you will flee to you for refuge.” These fit none of David's descendants. For which of David's descendants, as Isaiah says, was shown to be a ruler of nations? And what nations [called upon] any of David's descendants …
Ps 89:25 (88:26 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 89:26 (88:27 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 89:27 (88:28 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 89:28 (88:29 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:29 (88:30 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:35 (88:36 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:36 (88:37 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 89:37 (88:38 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:34 (allusion, medium confidence) · Heb 6:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 6:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 55:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 55:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 55:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: From Ps 89 (God's oath that David's seed and throne will last as long as sun and moon) and Isa 55:3–5, Orthodoxos argues that only Christ, David's seed according to his humanity, fulfils the eternal promise.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (Eranistes' assent at the start, the end of his sentence on kingship, and the speaker label of Orthodoxos' next reply). Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged correction). Quotations and allusions: Ps 89:25–27 (LXX 88:26–28, summarized); Ps 89:28–29 (LXX 88:29–30); Ps 89:35–37 (LXX 88:36–38); Matt 5:34 (God forbids others to swear); Heb 6:17–18; Isa 55:3–5.
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- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): γα] Δ) φοπϑβοϊδιϊοποηι μα θθφτουβ, 4] οοηβυρίπιι → .
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.13 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-13
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.14PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Περὶ τῶν ἐναργῶν οὐ προτήχει νειν " καὶ ταῦτα γὰρ ἀληθῶς τῷ Δεσπότῃ προσῆκε Χριστῷ. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν εἰ: ἑτέραν μεταδῶμεν προφητικὴν μαρτυρίαν, καὶ τοῦ αὐτοῦ προφήτου λέγοντος ἐπαγούσωμεν" ε« Ἐξελεύσεται ῥάδδος ἐκ τῆς ῥίζης Ἰεσσαὶ, καὶ ἄνθος ἐκ τῆς ῥίζης ἀναδήσεται. » ΕΡΑΝ. Ταύτην οἶμαι τὴν προφητείαν περὶ τοῦ Ζο- ΟΡΘ. Ἐὰν καὶ τῶν ἑξῆς ἐπαχούσῃς, οὐκ ἐμμενεῖς σου τῇ δόξῃ. Οὕτω γὰρ οὔτε Ἰουδαῖοι τήνδε τὴν πρόῤῥησιν νενοήκασιν. πάγει γὰρ ὁ προφήτης " ε« Καὶ ἐπαναπαύσεται ἐπ' αὐτὸν Πνεῦμα Θεοῦ, πνεῦμα σοφίας καὶ συνέσεως, πνεῦμα βουλῆς καὶ ἰσχύος, πνεῦμα γνώσεως καὶ εὐσεθείας, πνεῦμᾳ φόδου θεοῦ ἐμπλήσει αὐτόν. » Ταῦτα δὲ οὐκ ὅν τις ἀνθρώπῳ ψιλῷ προσαρμόσειε" καὶ γὰρ τοῖς ἄγαν ἁγίοις κατὰ διαίρεσιν δίδοται τοῦ Πνεύματος τὰ χαρίσματα. Καὶ μάρτυς ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος λέγων " ε Ὧ μὲν γὰρ δίδοται διὰ τοῦ Πνεύματος λόγος σοφίας, ἄλλῳ δὲ λόγας γνώσεως κατὰ τὸ αὐτὸ Πνεῦμα, καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. Ἐνταῦθα δὲ ὁ προφήτης τὸν ἐκ ῥίζης Ἱεσσαὶ βλαστήσαντα. πάσας εἴρηκεν ἔχειν τὰς ἐν- ΟΡΘ.: Οὐκοῦν ἄκουσον καὶ τῶν ἑξῆς ᾿ ἅψει γὰρ δίς αὐτῶν ἔνια καὶ τὴν ἀνθρωπείαν ὑπερδαίνοντα φύσιν. Λέγει δὲ οὕτως" ε« Οὐ κατὰ τὴν δόξαν κρινεῖ, οὐδὲ κατὰ τὴν λαλιὰν ἐλέγξει ἀλλὰ κρινεῖ ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ ταπεινῷ χρίσιν, καὶ ἐλέγξει ἐν εὐθύτητι τοὺς ἐνδόξους τῆς γῆς, καὶ πατάξει τὴν γῆν τῷ λόγῳ τοῦ στόματος αὑτοῦ, καὶ τῷ πνεύματι διὰ χειλέων ἀνελεῖ τὸν ἀσεθῇ. » Τούτων δὲ τῶν προῤῥήσεων, τὰ μὲν ἔστιν ἀνθρώπεια, τὰ δὲ θεῖα " ἢ μὲν γὰρ δικαιοσύνη, καὶ ἡ ἀλήθεια, καὶ τὸ εὐθές τε καὶ ἀχλινὲς ἐν τῷ κρίνειν δηλοῖ τὴν χατνὰ τὸ ἀνθρώπινον ἀρετήν. ΕΡΑΝ. Σαφέστερον διὰ τούτων ἐμάθομεν, ὡς τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Χριστοῦ τὴν παρουσίαν ὁ προφήτης ἐθέσπισεν. ΟΡΘ. Ἑναργέστερόν σε διδάξει τὰ τούτων ἀκόλουθα τὴν τῆς ἑρμηνείας ἀλήθειαν. ᾿Ἐπάγει γάρ" « Τότε συμδοσχηθήσεται λύκος μετὰ ἀρνοῦ, » καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς" δι᾽ ὧν διδάσκει καὶ τῶν ἡθῶν τὸ διάφορον, καὶ τὸ τῆς πίστεως σύμφωνον. Καὶ μάρτυρα τῆς προῤῥήσεως ἔχομεν τῶν πραγμάτων τὴν πεῖραν. Καὶ γὰρ τοὺς πλούτῳ χομῶντας, καὶ τοὺς πενίᾳ συζῶντας, οἰκέτας τε καὶ δεσπότας, καὶ ἀρχομένηυς καὶ ἄρχονκᾶς, καὶ στρατιώτας καὶ ἰδιώτας, καὶ τοὺς τὰ σκῆπτρα τῆς οἰκουμένης κατέχοντας, μία ὑποδέχεται χολυμδήθρα, μία πᾶσι διδασκαλία προσφέρεται, μία πᾶσι μυστικὴ προτίθεται τράπεζα καὶ τῶν πι- ᾿στευόντων ἕχαστος ἴσης ἀπολαύει μερίδος.
ERAN. Peri tōn enargōn ou protēchei nein " kai tauta gar alēthōs tǭ Despotę̄ prosēke Christǭ. ORTh. Oukoun ei: heteran metadōmen prophētikēn martyrian, kai tou autou prophētou legontos epagousōmen" e« Exeleusetai rhaddos ek tēs rhizēs Iessai, kai anthos ek tēs rhizēs anadēsetai. » ERAN. Tautēn oimai tēn prophēteian peri tou Zo- ORTh. Ean kai tōn hexēs epachousę̄s, ouk emmeneis sou tę̄ doxę̄. Houtō gar oute Ioudaioi tēnde tēn prorrhēsin nenoēkasin. pagei gar ho prophētēs " e« Kai epanapausetai ep' auton Pneuma Theou, pneuma sophias kai syneseōs, pneuma boulēs kai ischyos, pneuma gnōseōs kai eusetheias, pneumą phodou theou emplēsei auton. » Tauta de ouk hon tis anthrōpǭ psilǭ prosarmoseie" kai gar tois agan hagiois kata diairesin didotai tou Pneumatos ta charismata. Kai martys ho theios ᾿Apostolos legōn " e Hō men gar didotai dia tou Pneumatos logos sophias, allǭ de logas gnōseōs kata to auto Pneuma, kai ta hexēs. Entautha de ho prophētēs ton ek rhizēs Hiessai blastēsanta. pasas eirēken echein tas en- ORTh.: Oukoun akouson kai tōn hexēs ᾿ hapsei gar dis autōn enia kai tēn anthrōpeian hyperdainonta physin. Legei de houtōs" e« Ou kata tēn doxan krinei, oude kata tēn lalian elenxei alla krinei en dikaiosynę̄ tapeinǭ chrisin, kai elenxei en euthytēti tous endoxous tēs gēs, kai pataxei tēn gēn tǭ logǭ tou stomatos hautou, kai tǭ pneumati dia cheileōn anelei ton asethę̄. » Toutōn de tōn prorrhēseōn, ta men estin anthrōpeia, ta de theia " ē men gar dikaiosynē, kai hē alētheia, kai to euthes te kai achlines en tǭ krinein dēloi tēn chatna to anthrōpinon aretēn. ERAN. Saphesteron dia toutōn emathomen, hōs tou Sōtēros hēmōn Christou tēn parousian ho prophētēs ethespisen. ORTh. Henargesteron se didaxei ta toutōn akoloutha tēn tēs hermēneias alētheian. ᾿Epagei gar" « Tote symdoschēthēsetai lykos meta arnou, » kai ta hexēs" di᾽ hōn didaskei kai tōn hēthōn to diaphoron, kai to tēs pisteōs symphōnon. Kai martyra tēs prorrhēseōs echomen tōn pragmatōn tēn peiran. Kai gar tous ploutǭ chomōntas, kai tous penią syzōntas, oiketas te kai despotas, kai archomenēus kai archonkas, kai stratiōtas kai idiōtas, kai tous ta skēptra tēs oikoumenēs katechontas, mia hypodechetai cholymdēthra, mia pasi didaskalia prospheretai, mia pasi mystikē protithetai trapeza kai tōn pi- ᾿steuontōn hechastos isēs apolauei meridos.
Eranistes: One ought not to [dispute] about plain matters; for these things truly belong to the Master Christ. Orthodoxos: Then let us pass to another prophetic testimony, and listen to the same prophet saying, “A rod shall come forth from the root of Jesse, and a flower shall rise up from the root.” Eranistes: I think this prophecy [was spoken] about Zerubbabel … Orthodoxos: If you listen to what follows as well, you will not remain in your opinion. For not even the Jews have understood this prediction so. For the prophet adds: “And the Spirit of God will rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and godliness; the spirit of the fear of God will fill him.” No one could fit these things to a mere human being; for even to the very holy the gifts of the Spirit are given by distribution. And the divine Apostle is a witness, saying, “For to one is given through the Spirit the word of wisdom, to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit,” and what follows. But here the prophet has said that the one who sprang from the root of Jesse has all the workings … Orthodoxos: Then hear what follows as well; for you will touch … some of them even surpassing human nature. He speaks thus: “He will not judge by reputation, nor convict by what is said; but he will judge for the lowly with justice, and convict the glorious of the earth with uprightness; and he will strike the earth with the word of his mouth, and with the breath through his lips he will destroy the ungodly.” Of these predictions some are human and some divine: for justice, and truth, and uprightness and impartiality in judging show the virtue according to the humanity … Eranistes: Through these we have learned more clearly that the prophet foretold the coming of our Savior Christ. Orthodoxos: What follows will teach you the truth of the interpretation more plainly still. For he adds, “Then the wolf will graze with the lamb,” and what follows; by which he teaches both the difference of characters and the agreement of faith. And we have the experience of the facts as a witness to the prophecy. For those who abound in wealth and those who live with poverty, servants and masters, the ruled and the rulers, soldiers and private persons, and those who hold the scepters of the world, one font receives; one teaching is offered to all; one mystical table is set before all; and each of the believers enjoys an equal portion.
Isa 11:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 11:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 11:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 11:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 11:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Orthodoxos reads Isa 11:1–6 of Christ, who has the fulness of the Spirit's gifts and judges as both man and God, and sees the wolf grazing with the lamb fulfilled in rich and poor, masters and slaves sharing one font and one table.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (Eranistes' replies, the end of Orthodoxos' sentence on the Spirit's workings, and the sentence on the divine predictions). Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Isa 11:1–6 (LXX); 1 Cor 12:8. 'One font … one mystical table' refers to baptism and the eucharist.
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Topics: Christology, Baptism, Eucharist
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.14 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.15PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλὰ ταῦτα Θεὸν τὸν προφητενόμενον δείκνυσιν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐ Θεὸν μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἄνθρωπον. Τούτον δὴ χάριν, καὶ εὐθὺς τῆσδε τῆς προφητείας ἀρξάμενος, ῥάδδον βλαστήσειν ἐκ τῆς ῥίζης εἴρηκεν Ἶεσσαί" καὶ τὴν πρόῤῥησιν συμπεράνας, ἀνέλαδε τὸ προοίμιον. Ἔφη γάρ᾽ «Καὶ ἔσται ἡ ῥίζα τοῦ Ἰεσσαὶ, καὶ ὁ ἀνιστάμενος ἄρχειν ἐθνῶν ἐπ᾽ αὐτῷ ἔθνη ἑλπιοῦσι, καὶ ἔσται ἡ ἀνάπαυσις αὐτοῦ τιμῇ. » Ἶεσσαὶ δὲ ὁ πατὴρ τοῦ Δαβὶδ, πρὸς δὲ τὸν Δαδὶδ γέγονεν ἡ μεθ᾽ ὄρκων ὑπόσχεσις. Οὐκ ἂν δὲ ῥάδδον βλαστῆσουσαν ἐξ Ἰεσσαὶ προσηγόρευσε τὸν Δεσπότην Χριστὸν, εἰ μόνον ἧδει Θεόν. Προείρηχε δὲ ἡ πρόῤῥησις καὶ τὴν τῆς οἰκουμένης μεταδολήν. « Ἐνεπλήσθη γὰρ, φτσὶν, ἡ σύμπασα γῇ τοῦ γνῶναι τὸν Κύριον, ὡς ὕδωρ πολὺ χαταχαλύψαι θαλάσσας. » ΕΡΑΝ. Τῶν μὲν προφητικῶν ἐπήκουσα θεσπισμάτων. Ἐδουλόμην δὲ γνῶναι σαφῶς, εἰ καὶ τῶν ἀποκοΐ κέναι κατὰ σάρκα ἔφη τὸν Δεσπότην Χριστόν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐδὲν ἐπήγγειλας δυσχερὲς, ἀλλὰ καὶ λίαν εὑπετές τε καὶ ῥᾷδιον. "Αχουτον τοίνυν τοῦ πρώτου τῶν ἀποστόλων βοῶντος, ὅτι ε« Προφήτης ὧν ὁ Δαδιὶδ, καὶ εἰδὼς ὅτι ὄρκῳ ὥμοσεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεὸς, ἐκ καρποῦ τῆς ὀσφύος αὐτοῦ ἀναστήσειν τὸ κατὰ σάρκα τὸν Χριστὸν, καθίσαι ἐπὶ τοῦ θρόνου αὐτοῦ, προϊδὼν ἐλάλησε περὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως αὐτοῦ, ὅτι οὔτε ἐγκατελείφθη εἰς ἄδου ἡ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ, οὔθ᾽ ἡ σὰρξ αὐτοῦ εἶδε διαφθοράν. » Ἐκ τούτων διαγνῶναξ σοι δυνατὸν, ὅτι καὶ ἐκ σπέρματος Δαδὶδ κατὰ σάρκα βεθλάστηχεν ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸς, καὶ οὐ σάρκα μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ ψυχὴν εἶχεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Τίς ἕτερος ταῦτα τῶν ἀποστόλων ἐχή- ΟΡΘ. Ἤρκει μὲν καὶ μόνος ὁ μέγας Πέτρος τῇ ἀληθείᾳ συμμαρτυρῶν " καὶ γὰρ ὁΔεσπότης παρὰ τούτου μόνου τὴν τῆς ἀληθείας ὁμολογίαν δεξάμενος, ἐδεδαίωσε ταύτην τῷ ἀοιδίμῳ μακαρισμῷ. Ἐπειδὴ δὲ ἑτέρων τοῦτο χηρυττόντων ἀκοῦσαι «οθεῖς, ἄχουσου ἐν ᾿Αντιοχείᾳ τῆς Πισιδίας Παύλου καὶ Βαρνάδα δημηγορούντων. Οὗτοι γὰρ, τοῦ Δαδ' ὃ μνημονεύσαντες, ταῦτα ἐπήγαγον" « Τούτου ὁ θεὸς ἀπὸ τοῦ σπέρματος κατ᾽ ἐπαγγελίαν ἤγειρε τῷ Ἰσραὴλ Σωτῆρα Ἰησοῦν, » καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. Καὶ Τιμοθέῳ δὲ ἐπιστέλλων ὁ θεσπέσιος Παῦλος καὶ ταῦτα ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐκ σπέρματος Δαδὶδ, κατὰ τὸ Εὐαγγέλιόν μου. ν Καὶ Ῥωμαίοις γράφων εὐθὺς ἐν τῷ προοιμίῳ τῆς Δαυϊτιχῆς ἐμνημόνευσε συγγενείας. “Ἔφη δὲ οὗτως « Παῦλος δοῦλος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, κλητὸς ἀπόστολος, ἀφωρισμένος εἰς Εὐαγγέλιον Θεοῦ, ὃ προεπηγγείλατο διὰ τῶν προφητῶν αὑτοῦ ἐν Γραφαῖς ἁγίαις, περὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ αὑτοῦ, τοῦ γενομένου ἐκ σπέρματος Δαδὶδ κατὰ σάρκα, » καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. ΕΡΑΝ. Συχναὶ μὲν αἱ ἀποδείξεις καὶ ἀληθεῖς. Εἰπὶ δέ μοι, τί δήποτε τὰ ἑξῆς τῆς μαρτυρίας παρ- ΟΡΘ. Ὅτι περὶ τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος, ἀλλ᾽ οὐ περὶ «ἧς θεότητος ἀμφιθάλλεις. Εἰ δέ γε περὶ τῆς θεότητος ἡμφισθήτεις, περὶ ταύτης ἄν σοι τὰς ἀποδείξεις φροσήνεγχα. Πλὴν ἀρκεῖ τὸ φάναι ε κατὰ σάρκα, » παραδηλῶσαι τὴν σεσιγημένην θεότητα. Κοινοῦ γὰρ ἀνθρώπου διδάσκων συγγένειαν, οὗ λέγω, Τοῦ δεῖνος ὁ δεῖνα κατὰ σάρκα υἱὸς, ἀλλ᾽ ἁπλῶς, υἱός. Οὕτω καὶ ὁ θεῖος εὐαγγελιστὴς τὴν γενεαλογίαν ἔγραψεν " « 'Αδραὰμ γὰρ, φησὶν, ἐγέννησε τὸν Ἰἰσαὰχ, » καὶ οὐ προστέθεικε κατὰ σάρκα “ μόνον γὰρ ἄνθρωπος ὑπῆρχεν ὁ Ἰσαάκ. Παραπλησίως δὲ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἐμνημόνευσεν" ἄνθρωποι γὰρ ἦσαν, οὐδὲν ἔξω τῆς φύσεως ἔχοντες. Περὶ μέντοι τοῦ Δεσπότου Χριστοῦ διαλεγόμενοι τῆς ἀληθείας οἱ κήρυκες, καὶ τοῖς ἀγνοοῦσιν ἐπιδεικνύντες τὴν κάτω συγγένειαν, τὸ κατὰ σάρκα συνάπτουσι, ταύτῃ σημαίνοντες τὴν θεότητα, καὶ διδάσκοντες ὡς οὐκ ἄνθρωπος μόνον, ἀλλὰ καὶ Θεὸς προαιώνιος ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστός.
ERAN. ᾿Alla tauta Theon ton prophētenomenon deiknysin. ORTh. Ou Theon monon, alla kai anthrōpon. Touton dē charin, kai euthys tēsde tēs prophēteias arxamenos, rhaddon blastēsein ek tēs rhizēs eirēken Iessai" kai tēn prorrhēsin symperanas, anelade to prooimion. Ephē gar᾽ «Kai estai hē rhiza tou Iessai, kai ho anistamenos archein ethnōn ep᾽ autǭ ethnē helpiousi, kai estai hē anapausis autou timę̄. » Iessai de ho patēr tou Dabid, pros de ton Dadid gegonen hē meth᾽ orkōn hyposchesis. Ouk an de rhaddon blastēsousan ex Iessai prosēgoreuse ton Despotēn Christon, ei monon hēdei Theon. Proeirēche de hē prorrhēsis kai tēn tēs oikoumenēs metadolēn. « Eneplēsthē gar, phtsin, hē sympasa gę̄ tou gnōnai ton Kyrion, hōs hydōr poly chatachalypsai thalassas. » ERAN. Tōn men prophētikōn epēkousa thespismatōn. Edoulomēn de gnōnai saphōs, ei kai tōn apokoï kenai kata sarka ephē ton Despotēn Christon. ORTh. Ouden epēngeilas dyscheres, alla kai lian heupetes te kai rhądion. "Achouton toinyn tou prōtou tōn apostolōn boōntos, hoti e« Prophētēs hōn ho Dadiid, kai eidōs hoti orkǭ hōmosen autǭ ho theos, ek karpou tēs osphyos autou anastēsein to kata sarka ton Christon, kathisai epi tou thronou autou, proïdōn elalēse peri tēs anastaseōs autou, hoti oute enkateleiphthē eis adou hē psychē autou, outh᾽ hē sarx autou eide diaphthoran. » Ek toutōn diagnōnax soi dynaton, hoti kai ek spermatos Dadid kata sarka bethlastēchen ho Despotēs Christos, kai ou sarka monon, alla kai psychēn eichen. ERAN. Tis heteros tauta tōn apostolōn echē- ORTh. Ērkei men kai monos ho megas Petros tę̄ alētheią symmartyrōn " kai gar hoDespotēs para toutou monou tēn tēs alētheias homologian dexamenos, ededaiōse tautēn tǭ aoidimǭ makarismǭ. Epeidē de heterōn touto chēryttontōn akousai «otheis, achousou en ᾿Antiocheią tēs Pisidias Paulou kai Barnada dēmēgorountōn. Houtoi gar, tou Dad' ho mnēmoneusantes, tauta epēgagon" « Toutou ho theos apo tou spermatos kat᾽ epangelian ēgeire tǭ Israēl Sōtēra Iēsoun, » kai ta hexēs. Kai Timotheǭ de epistellōn ho thespesios Paulos kai tauta ek nekrōn ek spermatos Dadid, kata to Euangelion mou. n Kai Rhōmaiois graphōn euthys en tǭ prooimiǭ tēs Dauïtichēs emnēmoneuse syngeneias. “Ephē de houtōs « Paulos doulos Iēsou Christou, klētos apostolos, aphōrismenos eis Euangelion Theou, ho proepēngeilato dia tōn prophētōn hautou en Graphais hagiais, peri tou Huiou hautou, tou genomenou ek spermatos Dadid kata sarka, » kai ta hexēs. ERAN. Sychnai men hai apodeixeis kai alētheis. Eipi de moi, ti dēpote ta hexēs tēs martyrias par- ORTh. Hoti peri tēs anthrōpotētos, all᾽ ou peri «hēs theotētos amphithalleis. Ei de ge peri tēs theotētos hēmphisthēteis, peri tautēs an soi tas apodeixeis phrosēnencha. Plēn arkei to phanai e kata sarka, » paradēlōsai tēn sesigēmenēn theotēta. Koinou gar anthrōpou didaskōn syngeneian, hou legō, Tou deinos ho deina kata sarka huios, all᾽ haplōs, huios. Houtō kai ho theios euangelistēs tēn genealogian egrapsen " « 'Adraam gar, phēsin, egennēse ton Iisaach, » kai ou prostetheike kata sarka “ monon gar anthrōpos hypērchen ho Isaak. Paraplēsiōs de kai tōn allōn emnēmoneusen" anthrōpoi gar ēsan, ouden exō tēs physeōs echontes. Peri mentoi tou Despotou Christou dialegomenoi tēs alētheias hoi kērykes, kai tois agnoousin epideiknyntes tēn katō syngeneian, to kata sarka synaptousi, tautę̄ sēmainontes tēn theotēta, kai didaskontes hōs ouk anthrōpos monon, alla kai Theos proaiōnios ho Despotēs Christos.
Eranistes: But these things show that the one prophesied is God. Orthodoxos: Not God only, but also human. For this reason, right at the beginning of this prophecy he said that a rod would spring from the root of Jesse; and, concluding the prediction, he took up the opening again. For he said: “And there shall be the root of Jesse, and the one who rises to rule nations; in him nations will hope, and his rest will be honor.” Jesse was the father of David, and the promise with oaths was made to David. He would not have called the Master Christ a rod springing from Jesse if he had known him as God only. And the prediction also foretold the change of the world. “For the whole earth,” it says, “was filled with the knowledge of the Lord, as much water to cover seas.” Eranistes: I have listened to the prophetic oracles. But I wanted to know clearly whether any of the apostles too … said that the Master Christ [sprang from David] according to the flesh. Orthodoxos: You have asked for nothing difficult, but for something quite easy and simple. Hear, then, the first of the apostles crying out: “Being a prophet, David, knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him to raise up the Christ according to the flesh from the fruit of his loins, to sit on his throne, foresaw and spoke of his resurrection, that his soul was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.” From these words you can learn that the Master Christ sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh, and that he had not flesh only but also a soul. Eranistes: Which other of the apostles proclaimed these things? Orthodoxos: The great Peter alone would have sufficed as a fellow witness to the truth; for the Master received the confession of the truth from him alone and confirmed it with the celebrated blessing. But since you long to hear others proclaiming this, hear Paul and Barnabas addressing the people in Antioch of Pisidia. For they, having mentioned David, added this: “From this man's seed God, according to the promise, raised up for Israel a Savior, Jesus,” and what follows. And the inspired Paul, writing to Timothy, [says] this too: “… from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my gospel.” And writing to the Romans, right in the preface he mentioned the kinship with David. He said thus: “Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,” and what follows. Eranistes: The proofs are many and true. But tell me, why did you pass over what follows in the testimony? Orthodoxos: Because you are in doubt about the humanity, not about the Godhead. If you were disputing about the Godhead, I would have brought you proofs about it. However, saying “according to the flesh” suffices to indicate the Godhead that is passed over in silence. For in teaching the kinship of an ordinary human being I do not say, “So-and-so is the son of so-and-so according to the flesh,” but simply “son.” So too the divine evangelist wrote the genealogy: “For Abraham,” he says, “begot Isaac,” and he did not add “according to the flesh,” for Isaac was only a human being. And he mentioned the others in the same way, for they were human beings, having nothing beyond nature. But the heralds of the truth, when speaking of the Master Christ and showing those who do not know it his kinship below, add “according to the flesh,” thereby signifying the Godhead, and teaching that the Master Christ is not human only but also God before the ages.
Isa 11:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 11:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 11:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:31 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 13:23 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 1:2 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Orthodoxos shows from Isa 11:10, Peter's sermon (Acts 2:30–31), Paul at Pisidian Antioch, 2 Tim 2:8 and Rom 1:3 that Christ is David's seed 'according to the flesh', a phrase that itself implies his Godhead.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (part of Eranistes' question; the opening words of 2 Tim 2:8). Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations: Isa 11:10; 11:9; Acts 2:30–31; Matt 16:16–17 (allusion); Acts 13:23; 2 Tim 2:8; Rom 1:1–3; Matt 1:2.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word): 5586 ἀϊοαὶ ϑοου ἀυ πὶ νἱά, οἱ → ; Τιμοἰδ Ρὶθέῳ → Τιμοθέῳ.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.15 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-15
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.16PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Πολλὰς μὲν καὶ ἀποστολικὰς καὶ προφητιχκὰς παρήγαγες μαρτυρίας " ἐγὼ δὲ τῷ Εὐαγγελιστῇ πείθομαι λέγοντι " ε« Ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο. » ΟΡΘ. Κἀγὼ πείθομαι τῇ θείᾳ ταύτῃ διδασκαλίᾳ, νοῶ δὲ αὐτὴν εὐσεδῶς ὅτι σάρκα λαδὼν καὶ ψυχὴν λογικὴν, λέγεται γεγενῆσθαι σάρξ. Εἰ δὲ μηδὲν ἐκ τῆς ἡμετέρας φύσεως ἕλαδεν ὁ Θεὸς Λόγος, οὐκ ἀληθεῖς μὲν αἱ πρὸς τοὺς πατριάρχας παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ περί. ποτος δὲ τοῦ Ἰούδα ἡ εὐλογία, ψευδὴς δὲ ἡ πρὸς τὸν Δαδὶδ ἐπαγγελία, περιττὴ δὲ καὶ ἡ Παρθένος, οὐξὲν τῆς ἡμετέρας φύσεως τῷ σαρκωθέντι προσενεγχοῦσα Θεῷ. Αἱ δὲ τῶν προφητῶν προῤῥήσεις τὸ πέρας οὐκ ἔχουσι. Κενὸν οὖν ἄρα τὸ κῆρυγμα ἡμῶν, κενὴ δὲ καὶ ἡ πίστις ἡμῶν, ματαία δὲ καὶ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ἡ ἐλπίς. Ψεύδεται γὰρ, ὡς ἔοικεν, ὁ ᾿Απόστολος λέγων" « Συνήγειρς καὶ συνεκάθισεν ἡμᾶς ἐν τοῖς ἐπουρανίοις ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ. ν Εἰ γὰρ μηδὲν τῆς ᾿ ἡμετέρας φύσεως εἶχεν ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸς, ψευδῶς 1| δὲν ἡμῶν ἀπαρχὴ προσηγόρενται" σώματος δὲ φύσις ἐκ νεκρῶν οὐκ ἐγήγερται, οὔτε μὴν ἐν οὐρανῷ τῆς ἐκ δεξιῶν καθέδρας τετύχηκεν. Εἰ δὲ μηδὲν τούτων τετύχηκε, πῶς ἡμᾶς ὁ Θεὸς συνήγειρέ τε καὶ συν- ἐκάθισε τῷ Χριστῷ, τοὺς μηδὲν αὐτῷ κατὰ φύσιν προσήκοντας; ᾿Αλλὰ δυσσεδὲς τὸ ταῦτα λέγειν. Ὁ γὰρ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, μηδέπω μτδὲ τῆς κοινῇς ἀναστάσεως γενομένης, μήτε τῆς τῶν οὐρανῶν βαδιλείας τοῖς πεπιστευκόσι παραδχεθείσης, βοᾷ" ε Συνἤγειρε καὶ συνεκάθισεν ἡμᾶς ἐν τοῖς ἐπουρανίοις ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ, » διδάσκων ὡς τῆς ἀπαρχῆς τῆς ἡμῶν ἀναστάσεως, καὶ τῆς ἐκ δεξιῶν γενομένης καθέδρας, τευξόμεθα καὶ ἡμεῖς πάντως τῆς ἀναστάσεως, καὶ τῇ ἀπαρχἧ κοινωνοῦσι τῆς δόξης οἱ κοινωνοῦντες τῆς φύσεως καὶ μετειληφότες τῆς πίστεως ἘΡΑΝ, Καὶ πολλοὺς καὶ ἀληθεῖς διεξελήλυθας λόγους " ἀλλ᾽ ἐδουλόμην γνῶναι τοῦ εὐαγγελικοῦ ῥητοῦ τὴν διάνοιαν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐ δεῖ σος ξένης ἑρμηνείας αὐτὸς γὰρ ὁ Εὐαγγελιστὴς ἑαυτὸν ἑρμηνεύει, Εἰπὼν γὰρ, ε« Ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, » πήγαγε" ε« Καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν " » τοῦτ᾽ ἔστιν, ἐν ἡμῖν σχηνώσας, καὶ οἷόν τινι ναῷ χρησάμενος τῇ ἕξ ἡμῶν ληφθείσῃ σαρκὶ, λέγεται γεγενῆσθαι σάρξ. Καὶ διδάσκων ὡς ἀναλλοίωτος ἔμεινεν, ἐπήγαγε" « Καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὑτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς Μονογενοῦς παρὰ Πατρὸς, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας. » Καὶ σάρκα γὰρ περιδεθλημένος, ἐδείκνυ τὴν πατρῴαν εὐγένειαν, καὶ τῆς θεάτητος τὰς ἀκτῖνας ἐξέπεμπε, καὶ τῆς Δεσποτιχῆς ἐξουσίας ἣφίει τὴν αἴγλην, ταῖς θαυματουργίαις ἀποκαλύπτων τὴν λανθάνουσαν φύσιν. Τούτοις ἔοικεν ἃ Φιλιππησίοις ἔγραψεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος " ε Τοῦτο φρονείσθω ἕν. ὑμῖν, ὃ καὶ ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ " ὅς ἐν Ὁ. μορφῇ Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων, οὐκ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ" ἀλλ᾽ ἑαυτὸν ἐκένωσε, μορφὴν δούλου λαθὼν, ἐν ὁμοιώματι ἀνθρώπων γενόμενος, καὶ σχήματι εὑρεθεὶς ὡς ἄνθρωπος. ᾿Εταπείνωσεν ἑαυτὸν, γενόμενος ὑπῆκοος μέχρι θανάτου, θανάτου δὲ σταυροῦ. ν» Βλέπε τὴν τῶν κηρυγμάτων συγγένειαν. Ὁ Εὐαγγελιστὴς εἶπεν" ε« Ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ. ἐγένετο, καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν χ᾽ ὁ ᾿Απόστολος " ε« Μορφὴν δούλου λαδών. » Ὃ Εὐαγγελιστὴς πάλιν ἔφη" ε Ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς Μονογενοῦς παρὰ Πατρός" » δ᾽ Ἀπόστολος" ε Ὃς ἐν μορφῇ Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων, οὐκ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα θεῷ. » Καὶ, συλλήδδην εἰπεῖν, ἀμφότεροι διδάσκουσιν ὅτι Θεὸς ὧν, καὶ Θεοῦ Υἱὸς, καὶ τὴν τοῦ Πατρὸς περικείμενος δόξαν, καὶ τὴν αὐτὴν ἔχων φύσιν καὶ δύναμιν τῷ Ὑεννήτορι, ὁ ἐν ἀρχῇ ὧν, καὶ πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν ὧν. καὶ Θεὸς ὧν, καὶ τὴν κτίσιν δημιουργῆσας, μορφὴν ἔλαδε δούλον. Καὶ ἐδόκει μὲν τοῦτο μόνον εἶναι ὃ ἑωρᾶτο " ἦν δὲ Θεὸς, ἀνθρωπείαν περικείμενος φύσιν, καὶ τὴν τῶν ἀνθρώπων πραγματευόμενος σωτηρίαν. Τοῦτο δηλοῖ τὸ, « Ὃ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, » καὶ τὸ, « Ἐν ὁμοιώματι ἀνθρώπων γενόμενος, καὶ σχήματι εὑρεθεὶς ὡς ἄνθρωπος. » Τοῦτο γὰρ μόνον ἔδλεπον οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι, διὸ καὶ πρὸφ αὐτὸν ἔλεγον" «Περὶ καλοῦ ἔργου οὐ λιθάζξομέν σα, ἀλλὰ περὶ βλασφημίας, ὅτι ἄνθρωπος ὧν ποιεῖς σεαυτὸν Θεόν. » Καὶ πάλιν" ε Οὗτος ὁ ἄνθρωπος οὐκ ἔστιν ἀπὸ Θεοῦ, ὅτι τὸ Σάδἀπιστίαν, καὶ τούτου χάριν τούτοις ἐχρῶντο τοῖς λόγοις, δὲ καὶ τοὺς ἀποστόλους εὕροις πρὸ «ἧς ἀγαστατάσεως ταῦτα λέγοντας, δέχῃ τὴν ἑρμηνείαν; ᾿Ακούω τοίνυν αὐτῶν ἐν τῷ πλοίῳ, μετὰ τὴν μεγίστην τῆς. γαλήνης θαυματουργίαν, λεγόντων " ε Ποταπός ἐστιν ὁ ἄνθρωπος οὗτος, ὅτι καὶ ἡ θάλασσα καὶ οἱ ἄνεμοι ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ :»
ERAN. Pollas men kai apostolikas kai prophētichkas parēgages martyrias " egō de tǭ Euangelistę̄ peithomai legonti " e« Ho Logos sarx egeneto. » ORTh. Kagō peithomai tę̄ theią tautę̄ didaskalią, noō de autēn eusedōs hoti sarka ladōn kai psychēn logikēn, legetai gegenēsthai sarx. Ei de mēden ek tēs hēmeteras physeōs heladen ho Theos Logos, ouk alētheis men hai pros tous patriarchas para tou Theou peri. potos de tou Iouda hē eulogia, pseudēs de hē pros ton Dadid epangelia, perittē de kai hē Parthenos, ouxen tēs hēmeteras physeōs tǭ sarkōthenti prosenenchousa Theǭ. Hai de tōn prophētōn prorrhēseis to peras ouk echousi. Kenon oun ara to kērygma hēmōn, kenē de kai hē pistis hēmōn, mataia de kai tēs anastaseōs hē elpis. Pseudetai gar, hōs eoiken, ho ᾿Apostolos legōn" « Synēgeirs kai synekathisen hēmas en tois epouraniois en Christǭ Iēsou. n Ei gar mēden tēs ᾿ hēmeteras physeōs eichen ho Despotēs Christos, pseudōs 1| den hēmōn aparchē prosēgorentai" sōmatos de physis ek nekrōn ouk egēgertai, oute mēn en ouranǭ tēs ek dexiōn kathedras tetychēken. Ei de mēden toutōn tetychēke, pōs hēmas ho Theos synēgeire te kai syn- ekathise tǭ Christǭ, tous mēden autǭ kata physin prosēkontas? ᾿Alla dyssedes to tauta legein. Ho gar theios ᾿Apostolos, mēdepō mtde tēs koinę̄s anastaseōs genomenēs, mēte tēs tōn ouranōn badileias tois pepisteukosi paradchetheisēs, boą" e Synēgeire kai synekathisen hēmas en tois epouraniois en Christǭ Iēsou, » didaskōn hōs tēs aparchēs tēs hēmōn anastaseōs, kai tēs ek dexiōn genomenēs kathedras, teuxometha kai hēmeis pantōs tēs anastaseōs, kai tę̄ aparchē koinōnousi tēs doxēs hoi koinōnountes tēs physeōs kai meteilēphotes tēs pisteōs ERAN, Kai pollous kai alētheis diexelēlythas logous " all᾽ edoulomēn gnōnai tou euangelikou rhētou tēn dianoian. ORTh. Ou dei sos xenēs hermēneias autos gar ho Euangelistēs heauton hermēneuei, Eipōn gar, e« Ho Logos sarx egeneto, » pēgage" e« Kai eskēnōsen en hēmin " » tout᾽ estin, en hēmin schēnōsas, kai hoion tini naǭ chrēsamenos tę̄ hex hēmōn lēphtheisę̄ sarki, legetai gegenēsthai sarx. Kai didaskōn hōs analloiōtos emeinen, epēgage" « Kai etheasametha tēn doxan hautou, doxan hōs Monogenous para Patros, plērēs charitos kai alētheias. » Kai sarka gar peridethlēmenos, edeikny tēn patrǭan eugeneian, kai tēs theatētos tas aktinas exepempe, kai tēs Despotichēs exousias hēphiei tēn aiglēn, tais thaumatourgiais apokalyptōn tēn lanthanousan physin. Toutois eoiken ha Philippēsiois egrapsen ho theios ᾿Apostolos " e Touto phroneisthō hen. hymin, ho kai en Christǭ Iēsou " hos en Ho. morphę̄ Theou hyparchōn, ouk harpagmon hēgēsato to einai isa Theǭ" all᾽ heauton ekenōse, morphēn doulou lathōn, en homoiōmati anthrōpōn genomenos, kai schēmati heuretheis hōs anthrōpos. ᾿Etapeinōsen heauton, genomenos hypēkoos mechri thanatou, thanatou de staurou. n» Blepe tēn tōn kērygmatōn syngeneian. Ho Euangelistēs eipen" e« Ho Logos sarx. egeneto, kai eskēnōsen en hēmin ch᾽ ho ᾿Apostolos " e« Morphēn doulou ladōn. » Ho Euangelistēs palin ephē" e Etheasametha tēn doxan autou, doxan hōs Monogenous para Patros" » d᾽ Apostolos" e Hos en morphę̄ Theou hyparchōn, ouk harpagmon hēgēsato to einai isa theǭ. » Kai, syllēddēn eipein, amphoteroi didaskousin hoti Theos hōn, kai Theou Huios, kai tēn tou Patros perikeimenos doxan, kai tēn autēn echōn physin kai dynamin tǭ Hyennētori, ho en archę̄ hōn, kai pros ton Theon hōn. kai Theos hōn, kai tēn ktisin dēmiourgēsas, morphēn elade doulon. Kai edokei men touto monon einai ho heōrato " ēn de Theos, anthrōpeian perikeimenos physin, kai tēn tōn anthrōpōn pragmateuomenos sōtērian. Touto dēloi to, « Ho Logos sarx egeneto, » kai to, « En homoiōmati anthrōpōn genomenos, kai schēmati heuretheis hōs anthrōpos. » Touto gar monon edlepon hoi Ioudaioi, dio kai proph auton elegon" «Peri kalou ergou ou lithazxomen sa, alla peri blasphēmias, hoti anthrōpos hōn poieis seauton Theon. » Kai palin" e Houtos ho anthrōpos ouk estin apo Theou, hoti to Sadapistian, kai toutou charin toutois echrōnto tois logois, de kai tous apostolous heurois pro «hēs agastataseōs tauta legontas, dechę̄ tēn hermēneian? ᾿Akouō toinyn autōn en tǭ ploiǭ, meta tēn megistēn tēs. galēnēs thaumatourgian, legontōn " e Potapos estin ho anthrōpos houtos, hoti kai hē thalassa kai hoi anemoi hypakouousin autǭ :»
Eranistes: You have brought forward many testimonies, both apostolic and prophetic; but I believe the Evangelist who says, “The Word became flesh.” Orthodoxos: I too believe this divine teaching, but I understand it piously: that having taken flesh and a rational soul, he is said to have become flesh. But if God the Word took nothing from our nature, then the promises made by God to the patriarchs about … are not true, … the blessing of Judah, the promise to David is false, and the Virgin too is superfluous, since she contributed nothing of our nature to God made flesh; and the predictions of the prophets have no fulfilment. Then our preaching is empty, and our faith is empty, and the hope of the resurrection is vain. For the Apostle, it seems, lies when he says, “He raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.” For if the Master Christ had nothing of our nature, he is falsely called our firstfruits; and no nature of a body has been raised from the dead, nor obtained the seat at the right hand in heaven. And if it has obtained none of these, how did God raise us up and seat us with Christ, when we have no natural connection with him? But it is impious to say this. For the divine Apostle, when the common resurrection had not yet happened and the kingdom of heaven had not yet been granted to believers, cries, “He raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,” teaching that since the firstfruits of our race has obtained the resurrection and the seat at the right hand, we too shall certainly obtain the resurrection, and those who share the nature and have partaken of the faith share in the glory of the firstfruits. Eranistes: You have gone through many true arguments; but I wanted to know the meaning of the Gospel saying. Orthodoxos: You need no outside interpretation; for the Evangelist interprets himself. For having said, “The Word became flesh,” he added, “and dwelt among us”; that is, having dwelt among us, and using the flesh taken from us as a kind of temple, he is said to have become flesh. And teaching that he remained unaltered, he added: “And we beheld his glory, glory as of the Only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.” For though clothed in flesh, he showed his Father's nobility, and sent forth the rays of the Godhead, and let the radiance of his sovereign authority shine, revealing by his miracles the hidden nature. Like these words is what the divine Apostle wrote to the Philippians: “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of human beings; and being found in fashion as a human being, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.” See the kinship of the proclamations. The Evangelist said, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us”; the Apostle, “taking the form of a servant.” The Evangelist again said, “We beheld his glory, glory as of the Only-begotten from the Father”; the Apostle, “who, being in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a thing to be grasped.” And in a word, both teach that he who was God and Son of God, clothed in the Father's glory and having the same nature and power as the one who begot him, who was in the beginning, and was with God, and was God, and created the creation, took the form of a servant. And he seemed to be only what was seen; but he was God, clothed in human nature and accomplishing the salvation of human beings. This is what “The Word became flesh” shows, and “being made in the likeness of human beings, and being found in fashion as a human being.” For the Jews saw only this; and so they said to him, “We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” And again, “This man is not from God, because he does not keep the Sabbath” … unbelief, and for this reason they used these words. [And if] you find the apostles too saying these things before the resurrection, do you accept the interpretation? I hear them, then, in the boat, after the very great miracle of the calm, saying, “What sort of man is this, that even the sea and the winds obey him?”
John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:14 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:20 (allusion, medium confidence) · Phil 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 10:33 (quotation, high confidence) · John 9:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:27 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos argues that if the Word took nothing of our nature the promises, the Virgin, and our resurrection in Christ the firstfruits would be void, and interprets 'the Word became flesh' by 'dwelt among us' and by Phil 2:6–8.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (in the list of promises, and in the Jews' second saying, John 9:16, whose end and the following words are lost). Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Quotations and allusions: John 1:14; 1 Cor 15:14, 17; Eph 2:6; 1 Cor 15:20 (firstfruits); Phil 2:5–8; John 1:1–3; John 10:33; John 9:16; Matt 8:27.
Notes on the original text
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Topics: Christology, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.16 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-16
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).