Eranistes (The Beggar), or Polymorphus 1.27–2.6
Greek text: PG 83.English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
Chapter 1
1.27PG 83
Τοῦ ἀγίου Γρηγορίου ἐπισκόπου Νύσσης. Ἔχ τοῦ «λόγου τοῦ εἰς τεὸν ᾿Αδραάμ. ἐδη τοίνυν οὐ γυμνὸς Λόγος, ἀλλὰ σὰρξ γενόμενος" οὐκ ἣ τοῦ Θεοῦ μορφὴ, ἀλλ᾽ ἡ τοῦ ᾿ δούλου μορφή. Οὗτος οὖν ἐστιν ὁ εἰπὼν μὴ δύνασθαι ἀφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ; τι͵ ποιεῖν. Τὸ γὰρ μὴ δύνασθαι ἀσθενείας ἐστίν. Ὥς γὰρ τῷ φωτὶ τὸ σκότος, καὶ ὁ θάνατος τῇ ζωῇ, οὕτω τῇ δυνάμει ἀντιδιαστέλλεται ἡ ἀσθένεια. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν Χριστὸς δύναμις Θεοῦ. Οὐκ ἀδύνατος πάντως ἡ δύναμις. Εἰ γὰρ ἡ δύναμις ἀσθενοίη, τί τὸ δυνάμενον; “Ὅταν οὖν ἀποφαίνηται ὁ Λόγος ὅτι οὐ δύναται ποιεῖν, δῆλον ὅτι οὐκὶ τῇ θεότητι τοῦ Μονογενοὺς τὴν ἀδυναμίαν προστίθησιν, ἀλλὰ τῇ ἀσθενείᾳ τῆς ἡμετέρας φύσεως προσμαρτυρεῖ τὸ ἀδύνατον. ᾿Ασθενὴς δὲ ἡ σὰρξ, καθὼς γέγραπται, ὅτι « Τὸ πνεῦμα πρόθυμον, ἡ δὲ σὰρξ ἀσθενής. »--- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ(Ἴ0) τοῦ Ἡερὶ τελειότητος βίου. ᾿Αλλὰ πάλιν ὁ ἀληθινὸς νομοθέτης, οὗ τύπος ἣν ὁ Μωῦσῆς, ἐκ τῆς γῆς ἡμῶν ἑαυτῷ τὰς τῆς φύσεως πλάκας ἐλάξενσεν. Οὐ γὰρ γάμος αὐτοῦ τὴν θεοδόχον ἐδημιούργησε σάρκα, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτὸς τῆς ἰδίας σαρκὸς γίνεται λατόμος, τῆς τῷ θείῳ δακτύλῳ χαταγραφείσης. Πνεῦμα γὰρ ἅγιον ἦλθεν ἐπὶ τὴν Παρθένον, καὶ ἡ τοῦ ἐπεσκίασε δύναμις. Ἐπεὶ δὲ τοῦτο γέγονε, πάλιν τὸ ἀσύντριπτον ἔσχεν ἡ φύσις, ἀθάνατος γενομένη τοῖς τοῦ δακτύλου χαράγμασιν. --- Τοῦ αὑτοῦ ἐκ τοῦ κατὰ Εὐνομίου «λόγου. Φαμὲν τοίνυν, ὅτι ἐν μὲν τοῖς πρὸ τούτου λόγοις εἰπὼν τὴν σοφίαν ᾧχοδομηχέναι ἑαυτῇ οἶκον, τὴν τὴς σαρκὸς τοῦ Κυρίου κατασκευὴν τῷ λόγῳ αἰνίσσεται. Οὐ γὰρ ἐν ἀλλοτρίῳ οἰχοδομήματι ἡ ἀληθινὴ σοφία κατ- ( ᾧκησεν, ἀλλ᾽ ἑαυτῇ τὸ οἰκητήριον ἐκ τοῦ παρθενιχοῦ σώματος ἐδομήσατο. --- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῆς αὐτὴς πραγματείας. Ὃ Λόγος πρὸ τῶν αἰώνων ἦν, ἣ σὰρξ δὲ ἐπ᾽ ἐσχάτων ἐγένετο τῶν χρόνων, καὶ οὐκ ἄν τις ἀναστρέψας εἴποι, ἧ ταύτην͵ προαιώνιον εἶναι, ἣ ἐν τοῖς ἐσχάτοις γεγενῆσθά, τὸν Λόγον. --- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῆς αὑτῆς πραγματείας. Οὐκ ἐκ τοῦ θείου τε καὶ ἀκηράτου ἐστὶν ἡ τοῦ ἔχτισό με φωνὴ, ἀλλὰ καθὼς εἴρηται, ἐκ τοῦ ἀναληφθέντος κατ' οἰκονομίαν ἀπὸ τῆς κτιστῆς ἡμῶν φύσεως. ---Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τοῦ εὶς τοὺς Μακαρισμοὺς 1όγου πρώτου. « Ὃς ἐν μορφῇ Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων, οὐκ ἀρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ, ἀλλ᾽ ἑαυτὸν ἑκένωσε μορφὴν δούλου λαδών. » Τί πτωχότερον ἐπὶ Θεοῦ τῆς τοῦ δούλου μορφῆς; τί ταπεινότερον ἐπὶ τοῦ βασιλέως τῶν ὄντων, ἣ τὸ εἰς κοινωνίαν τῆς πτωχῆς ἡμῶν φύσεως ἐλθεῖν; Ὃ βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλενόντων, καὶ Κύριος τῶν χυριενόντων͵,, ἐθελοντὶ τὴν τῆς δουλείας μορφὴν ὑποδύεται.
Tou agiou Grēgoriou episkopou Nyssēs. Ech tou «logou tou eis teon ᾿Adraam. edē toinyn ou gymnos Logos, alla sarx genomenos" ouk hē tou Theou morphē, all᾽ hē tou ᾿ doulou morphē. Houtos oun estin ho eipōn mē dynasthai aph᾽ heautou? ti͵ poiein. To gar mē dynasthai astheneias estin. Hōs gar tǭ phōti to skotos, kai ho thanatos tę̄ zōę̄, houtō tę̄ dynamei antidiastelletai hē astheneia. ᾿Alla mēn Christos dynamis Theou. Ouk adynatos pantōs hē dynamis. Ei gar hē dynamis asthenoiē, ti to dynamenon? “Hotan oun apophainētai ho Logos hoti ou dynatai poiein, dēlon hoti ouki tę̄ theotēti tou Monogenous tēn adynamian prostithēsin, alla tę̄ astheneią tēs hēmeteras physeōs prosmartyrei to adynaton. ᾿Asthenēs de hē sarx, kathōs gegraptai, hoti « To pneuma prothymon, hē de sarx asthenēs. »--- Tou autou ek(I0) tou Hēeri teleiotētos biou. ᾿Alla palin ho alēthinos nomothetēs, hou typos hēn ho Mōysēs, ek tēs gēs hēmōn heautǭ tas tēs physeōs plakas elaxensen. Ou gar gamos autou tēn theodochon edēmiourgēse sarka, all᾽ autos tēs idias sarkos ginetai latomos, tēs tǭ theiǭ daktylǭ chatagrapheisēs. Pneuma gar hagion ēlthen epi tēn Parthenon, kai hē tou epeskiase dynamis. Epei de touto gegone, palin to asyntripton eschen hē physis, athanatos genomenē tois tou daktylou charagmasin. --- Tou hautou ek tou kata Eunomiou «logou. Phamen toinyn, hoti en men tois pro toutou logois eipōn tēn sophian hǭchodomēchenai heautę̄ oikon, tēn tēs sarkos tou Kyriou kataskeuēn tǭ logǭ ainissetai. Ou gar en allotriǭ oichodomēmati hē alēthinē sophia kat- ( hǭkēsen, all᾽ heautę̄ to oikētērion ek tou parthenichou sōmatos edomēsato. --- Tou autou ek tēs autēs pragmateias. Ho Logos pro tōn aiōnōn ēn, hē sarx de ep᾽ eschatōn egeneto tōn chronōn, kai ouk an tis anastrepsas eipoi, hē tautēn͵ proaiōnion einai, hē en tois eschatois gegenēstha, ton Logon. --- Tou autou ek tēs hautēs pragmateias. Ouk ek tou theiou te kai akēratou estin hē tou echtiso me phōnē, alla kathōs eirētai, ek tou analēphthentos kat' oikonomian apo tēs ktistēs hēmōn physeōs. ---Tou autou ek tou eis tous Makarismous 1ogou prōtou. « Hos en morphę̄ Theou hyparchōn, ouk arpagmon hēgēsato to einai isa Theǭ, all᾽ heauton hekenōse morphēn doulou ladōn. » Ti ptōchoteron epi Theou tēs tou doulou morphēs? ti tapeinoteron epi tou basileōs tōn ontōn, hē to eis koinōnian tēs ptōchēs hēmōn physeōs elthein? Ho basileus tōn basilenontōn, kai Kyrios tōn chyrienontōn͵,, ethelonti tēn tēs douleias morphēn hypodyetai.
Of holy Gregory, bishop of Nyssa, from the discourse on Abraham: “… therefore not the naked Word, but the one who became flesh; not the form of God, but the form of the servant. This, then, is the one who said that he can do nothing of himself. For to be unable is a mark of weakness. For as darkness is opposed to light, and death to life, so weakness is opposed to power. But Christ is the power of God; and power is not at all powerless. For if power were weak, what would be powerful? When, then, the Word declares that he cannot do something, it is clear that he does not attribute inability to the Godhead of the Only-begotten, but bears witness to the weakness of our nature. And the flesh is weak, as it is written, ‘The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.’” Of the same, from [the discourse] On the Perfect Life: “But again the true lawgiver, of whom Moses was a type, hewed for himself the tablets of the nature from our earth. For no marriage fashioned his God-receiving flesh, but he himself becomes the stonecutter of his own flesh, which was inscribed by the divine finger. For the Holy Spirit came upon the Virgin, and the power of the [Most High] overshadowed her. And when this had happened, the nature again had its unbreakableness, having become immortal by the marks of the finger.” Of the same, from the discourse Against Eunomius: “We say, then, that in the words before this, by saying that Wisdom built herself a house, he hints in the discourse at the construction of the Lord's flesh. For the true Wisdom did not dwell in a building belonging to another, but built for herself the dwelling from the virginal body.” Of the same, from the same treatise: “The Word was before the ages, but the flesh came to be in the last of times; and no one could reverse this and say either that this is before the ages, or that the Word came to be in the last times.” Of the same, from the same treatise: “The saying ‘He created me’ does not come from the divine and pure [nature], but, as has been said, from what was assumed by the dispensation from our created nature.” Of the same, from the first discourse on the Beatitudes: “‘Who, being in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant.’ What is poorer for God than the form of a servant? What is humbler for the King of beings than to come into fellowship with our poor nature? The King of those who reign and the Lord of those who rule voluntarily puts on the form of slavery.”
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
John 5:19 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 26:41 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 34:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 31:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 1:35 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 9:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 8:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:15 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Gregory of Nyssa: Christ's inability and weakness belong to the flesh, not the Godhead; the Lord hewed the tablets of his flesh from our earth through the Spirit; Wisdom built her house from the virginal body; 'He created me' refers to the assumed nature.
- Florilegium. Quotations: Gregory of Nyssa, On Abraham (a lost homily; the opening of the quotation is lost); On the Perfect Life, i.e. the Life of Moses (2.216, as identified in modern editions); Against Eunomius (three passages, not identified further here); On the Beatitudes 1. Migne's footnotes (variants on the preceding quotation of Gregory of Nazianzus, with Latin) and his Latin column read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: John 5:19, 30; 1 Cor 1:24; Matt 26:41; Exod 34:1–4; Exod 31:18; Luke 1:35; Prov 9:1; Prov 8:22; Phil 2:6–7; 1 Tim 6:15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's footnote variants on the preceding quotation read into the text; Migne's notes (a fuller title of the Life of Moses and variants) read into the text; marginal references, Migne's notes and Latin column read into the text): Καττῶν φύσεων, οὕτω δὴ καὶ τῶν κλήσεων καὶ περιχωρουσῶν εἰς ἀλλήλας τῷ λόγῳ τῆς συμρυῖας. εἴτουν σαρκώσεως, ὡς αὐτοὶ λέγουσιν. σωματικῶς. Ἷ ὥσπερ. ἴ". ὅπερ οἱ. → ; πηάμπι Θᾶ → ; οἰ ΠΠιὶς δὲ πο βοὰ ἐπ 60} αἰ αυϊβοὰ 088 θα) δἰ δὲ ἀοτηθ δὶ γο Γ → ; νυ, 19. καὶ Πνεύματος, καὶ ἐγκώμιον εἰς τὸν δίκαιον ᾿Αδραάμ. θὅ ἐἐπξ' τ ραν, τε’ ἐν τῇ τοῦ δούλου μορφῇ. «ἰν ὌΠ “ἢ γκαρυσης δῆλον ὅτι καθὸ γέγονε ἐκ, οἱ αδυπἃ- Ὁ τϑῖὴ δυὰ δβροηῃίο → ; ἴ8]ο : Περὶ τοῦ βίου Μωσέως τοῦ νομοθέτου, ἣ κερὶ τῆς κατ᾽ ἀρετὴν τελειότητος. αὐτοῦ --- σάρκα. [Ὁ. Ἰεᾳ. αὐτῷ ἢ τὴν ϑείαν ἐδημι σε τ: χα. δὴ ) ἐν. Εκ Εά. Βοπ;. οἱ 18 κα 8. → ; ἴπϑρί- → .
Extrabiblical texts: Gregory of Nyssa, Vit. Mos. 2.216 (On the Life of Moses; quotation); Gregory of Nyssa, Beat. 1 (On the Beatitudes; quotation)
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.27 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.28PG 83
Τοῦ ἁγίου Ἐκ τῆς εἷς Ιωάνγην τὸν Βαπτιστὴν ὁμιλίας. Μὴ τοίνυν νόει σωματικῶς συνάφειαν, μηδὲ γαμιχὴν ὁμιλίαν ἐκδέχου. Ὃ γὰρ σὸς Δημιουργὸς τὸν δωματιχὸν αὑτοῦ ναὸν παρὰ σοῦ τικτόμενον δημιουργεῖ. -- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τοῦ.1όγου εἰς τὸ, «Πνεῦμα Κυ. ρίου ἐπ᾽ ἐμέ. ν ᾿Ακούσατε τοῦ λέγοντος " ε Πνεῦμα ἐπ᾽ ἐμὲ, οὗ εἵνεκεν ἔχρισέ με. ν» Οὐκ ἴστε, φησὶν, ἃ ἀναγινώσκετε. Ἥχω γὰρ ὑμῖν ὁ χρισθεὶς τῷ Πνεύματι. Πνεύματι δὲ χρίεται, οὐκ ἣ ἀθέατος φύσις, ἀλλὰ τὸ ἡμῖν ὁμογενές. τοῦ εἰς τὸ, « Πατὴρ μου μείζων μού ἔστιν. » Διάκρινόν μοι λοιπὸν τὰς φύσεις, τήν τε τοῦ Θεοῦ, τὴν τε τοῦ ἀνθρώπου. Οὔτε γὰρ κατ᾽ ἔκπτωσιν ἐκ Θεοῦ γέγονεν ἄνθρωπος, οὔτε κατὰ προκοπὴν ἐξ ἀνθρώπου Θεός. Θεὸν γὰρ καὶ ἄνθρωπον λέγω. Ὅταν δὲ τὰ παθήματα τῇ σαρκὶ, καὶ τὰ θαύματα τῷ Θεῷ δῷς, ἀνάγκῃ καὶ μὴ θέλων δίδως, τοὺς μὲν ταπεινοὺς λόγους τῷ ἐκ Μαρίας ἀνθρώπῳ, τοὺς δὲ ἀνηγμένους καὶ θεοπρεπεῖς τῷ ἐν ἀρχῇ ὄντ: Λόγῳ. Διὰ τοῦτο γὰρ πῇ μὲν ἀνηγμένους, πῆ δὲ ταπεινοὺς φθέγγομαι λόγους, ἵνα διὰ μὲν τῶν ὑψηλῶν τοῦ ἑνοικοῦντος Λόγον δείξω τὴν συγγένειαν, διὰ δὲ τῶν ταπεινῶν, τῆς ταπεινῆς σαρκὸς γνωρίσω τὴν ἀσθένειαν, Ὅθεν πῇ μὲν ἐμαυτὸν ἴσον λέγω τοῦ Πατρὸς, πῇ δὲ μείζονα τὸν Πατέρα" οὐ μαχόμενος ἐμαυτῷ,, ἀλλὰ δεικνὺς ὡς Θεός εἰμι καγᾶἄνθρωπος " θεὸς μὲν ἐκ τῶν ὑψηλῶν, ἄνθρωπος δὲ ἐκ τῶν ταπεινῶν. Εἰ δὲ θέλητε γνῶναι πῶς ὁ Πατήρ μου μείζων μού ἐστιν, ἐκ τῆς σαρκὸς εἶπον, καὶ οὐκ ἐκ προσώπου τῆς θεότητος. --- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τοῦ «.ἰόγου τοῦ εἰς τὸ, « Οὐ δύναται ὁ Υἱὸς ποιδῖν' ἀφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ οὐδέν. ν Ποῖος δὲ παρήκουσεν ἐν οὐρανοῖς ᾿Αδάμ; Ποῖος δὲ ἐξ οὐρανίου σώματος ἐπλάσθη παρὰ τὴν πρώτην πρωτόπλαστος; ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐπλάσθη ἐξ ἀρχῆς ὁ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, παρήκουσεν ὁ ἐκ «ἧς γῆς, ἀνελήφθη ὁ ἐκ τῆς γῆς. Διὸ καὶ ἐσώθη ὅ ἐκ τῆς γῆς, ἵν᾽ οὕτως ἀληθὴς ἅμα καὶ ἀναγκαΐος φανῇ ὁ τῆς οἰκονομίας λόγος. πόλεως. Ὁ πρὸ αὐτοῦ εἰρηκότος. Ὅρα ἐκ προοιμίων τί ποιεῖ. Ἰὴν φύσιν περιδάλλεται τὴν ἡμετέραν, τὴν ἤσθενηπαλαῖσαι δι’ αὑτῆς" καὶ ἐκ τῶν προοιμίων πρόῤῥιζον ἀνασπᾷ τῆς ἀπονοίας τὴν φύσιν. --- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τοῦ Γενεθλιαχοῦ «1όγον. ὼς γὰρ οὐκ ἐσχάτης καραπληξίας, αὐτοὺς μὲν εἰς λίθους καὶ ξύλα εὐτελῇ ξόανα τοὺς ἑαυτῶν εἰσάγοντας θεοὺς, καὶ καθάπερ ἐν δεσμωτηρίῳ τινὶ χαταχλείοντας, μηδὲν αἰσχρὸν ἡγεῖσθαι μήτε ποιεῖν, μήτε λέγειν " ἡμῖν ἰδὲ ἐγχα.. λεῖν λέγουσιν, ὅτι ναὸν ἑαυτῷ χατασχενάσας ὁ Θεὸς ζῶντα ἐκ Πνεύματος ἁγίον, δι᾽ αὐτοῦ τὴν οἰκουμένὴν ὠφέλησεν; Εἰ γὰρ αἰσχρὸν ἐν ἀνθρωπίνῳ σώματι Θεὸν οἰκῇσαι, πολλῷ μᾶλλον ἐν λίθῳ καὶ ξύλῳ, ὅσῳ ὁ λίθος καὶ τὸ ξύλον ἀτιμότερον ἀνθρώπον " εἰ μὴ ἄρα καὶ τῶν ἀναισθήτων τούτων ὑλῶν εὐτελέστερον τὸ γένος ἡμῶν αὐτοῖς εἶναι δοκεῖ. Αὐτοὶ καὶ εἰς λίθους, καὶ εἰς κύνας, πολλοὶ ᾿δὲ τῶν αἱρετιχῶν καὶ εἰς ἕτερα τούτων ἀτιμότερα, τοῦ Θεοῦ κατάγουσι τὴν οὐσίαν. Ἡμεῖς δὲ τούτων οὐδὲν οὔτ᾽ ἂν ἀκοῦσαί ποτε ἀνασχοίμεθα. Ἐκεῖνο δέ φαμεν, ὅτι καθαρὰν σάρκα, καὶ ἁγίαν, καὶ ἄμωμον, καὶ ἁμαρτίᾳ πάσῃ γε-
Tou hagiou Ek tēs heis Iōangēn ton Baptistēn homilias. Mē toinyn noei sōmatikōs synapheian, mēde gamichēn homilian ekdechou. Ho gar sos Dēmiourgos ton dōmatichon hautou naon para sou tiktomenon dēmiourgei. -- Tou autou ek tou.1ogou eis to, «Pneuma Ky. riou ep᾽ eme. n ᾿Akousate tou legontos " e Pneuma ep᾽ eme, hou heineken echrise me. n» Ouk iste, phēsin, ha anaginōskete. Hēchō gar hymin ho christheis tǭ Pneumati. Pneumati de chrietai, ouk hē atheatos physis, alla to hēmin homogenes. tou eis to, « Patēr mou meizōn mou estin. » Diakrinon moi loipon tas physeis, tēn te tou Theou, tēn te tou anthrōpou. Oute gar kat᾽ ekptōsin ek Theou gegonen anthrōpos, oute kata prokopēn ex anthrōpou Theos. Theon gar kai anthrōpon legō. Hotan de ta pathēmata tę̄ sarki, kai ta thaumata tǭ Theǭ dǭs, anankę̄ kai mē thelōn didōs, tous men tapeinous logous tǭ ek Marias anthrōpǭ, tous de anēgmenous kai theoprepeis tǭ en archę̄ ont: Logǭ. Dia touto gar pę̄ men anēgmenous, pē de tapeinous phthengomai logous, hina dia men tōn hypsēlōn tou henoikountos Logon deixō tēn syngeneian, dia de tōn tapeinōn, tēs tapeinēs sarkos gnōrisō tēn astheneian, Hothen pę̄ men emauton ison legō tou Patros, pę̄ de meizona ton Patera" ou machomenos emautǭ,, alla deiknys hōs Theos eimi kagaanthrōpos " theos men ek tōn hypsēlōn, anthrōpos de ek tōn tapeinōn. Ei de thelēte gnōnai pōs ho Patēr mou meizōn mou estin, ek tēs sarkos eipon, kai ouk ek prosōpou tēs theotētos. --- Tou autou ek tou «.iogou tou eis to, « Ou dynatai ho Huios poidin' aph᾽ heautou ouden. n Poios de parēkousen en ouranois ᾿Adam? Poios de ex ouraniou sōmatos eplasthē para tēn prōtēn prōtoplastos? ᾿All᾽ eplasthē ex archēs ho ek tēs gēs, parēkousen ho ek «hēs gēs, anelēphthē ho ek tēs gēs. Dio kai esōthē ho ek tēs gēs, hin᾽ houtōs alēthēs hama kai anankaïos phanę̄ ho tēs oikonomias logos. poleōs. Ho pro autou eirēkotos. Hora ek prooimiōn ti poiei. Iēn physin peridalletai tēn hēmeteran, tēn ēsthenēpalaisai di’ hautēs" kai ek tōn prooimiōn prorrhizon anaspą tēs aponoias tēn physin. --- Tou autou ek tou Genethliachou «1ogon. ōs gar ouk eschatēs karaplēxias, autous men eis lithous kai xyla eutelę̄ xoana tous heautōn eisagontas theous, kai kathaper en desmōtēriǭ tini chatachleiontas, mēden aischron hēgeisthai mēte poiein, mēte legein " hēmin ide encha.. lein legousin, hoti naon heautǭ chataschenasas ho Theos zōnta ek Pneumatos hagion, di᾽ autou tēn oikoumenēn ōphelēsen? Ei gar aischron en anthrōpinǭ sōmati Theon oikę̄sai, pollǭ mallon en lithǭ kai xylǭ, hosǭ ho lithos kai to xylon atimoteron anthrōpon " ei mē ara kai tōn anaisthētōn toutōn hylōn eutelesteron to genos hēmōn autois einai dokei. Autoi kai eis lithous, kai eis kynas, polloi ᾿de tōn hairetichōn kai eis hetera toutōn atimotera, tou Theou katagousi tēn ousian. Hēmeis de toutōn ouden out᾽ an akousai pote anaschoimetha. Ekeino de phamen, hoti katharan sarka, kai hagian, kai amōmon, kai hamartią pasę̄ ge-
Of holy … From the homily on John the Baptist: “Do not, then, think of the union in bodily terms, nor understand it as marital intercourse. For your Creator fashions his bodily temple to be born of you.” Of the same, from the discourse on “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me”: “Hear him who says, ‘The Spirit is upon me, because he has anointed me.’ You do not know, he says, what you read; for I, the one anointed by the Spirit, have come to you. And it is not the invisible nature that is anointed by the Spirit, but what is of one kind with us.” [Of the same, from the discourse] on “My Father is greater than I”: “Distinguish for me, then, the natures, that of God and that of the human being. For neither did he become human from God by a fall, nor God from a human being by progress. For I speak of God and human being. And when you assign the sufferings to the flesh and the miracles to God, you necessarily, even unwillingly, assign the lowly words to the human being from Mary, and the exalted and God-befitting ones to the Word who was in the beginning. For this is why I utter sometimes exalted words and sometimes lowly ones: so that by the lofty I may show the kinship of the indwelling Word, and by the lowly make known the weakness of the lowly flesh. Therefore I sometimes call myself equal to the Father, and sometimes [say] the Father is greater, not fighting against myself, but showing that I am God and human: God from the lofty things, human from the lowly. And if you wish to know how my Father is greater than I, I said it from the flesh, and not from the person of the Godhead.” Of the same, from the discourse on “The Son can do nothing of himself”: “What Adam disobeyed in heaven? What first-formed one was fashioned from a heavenly body besides the first? But the one from the earth was fashioned in the beginning, the one from the earth disobeyed, the one from the earth was assumed. Therefore the one from the earth was also saved, so that the account of the dispensation might thus appear both true and necessary.” [Of holy John, bishop of Constanti]nople: “… of the one who spoke before him. See what he does from the outset. He puts on our nature, which had become weak, [so as to] wrestle through it; and from the outset he tears up by the roots the nature of madness.” Of the same, from the discourse on the Nativity: “For is it not extreme madness that they, bringing their own gods into stones and wood, cheap images, and shutting them up as in a prison, think it no shame either to do or to say this, yet blame us for saying that God, having prepared for himself a living temple from the Holy Spirit, benefited the world through it? For if it is shameful for God to dwell in a human body, much more so in stone and wood, inasmuch as stone and wood are less honorable than a human being; unless to them our race seems more worthless even than these senseless materials. They themselves bring down the substance of God into stones and dogs, and many of the heretics into other things more dishonorable than these. But we would never bear even to hear any of this. But this we say, that pure flesh, holy and blameless and free from all sin …
Luke 4:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 61:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:30 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 2:7 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 15:47 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Fragments ascribed (the author's name is lost) on Christ's bodily temple born of Mary, his anointing, and 'My Father is greater than I' said of the flesh; then John Chrysostom on the Nativity: if God may not dwell in a human body, much less in pagan idols of stone and wood.
- Florilegium. The name in the first heading is lost in the OCR; the fragments on 'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me', 'My Father is greater than I' and 'The Son can do nothing of himself' are known elsewhere as Amphilochius of Iconium's, so the lost name is probably his. The heading before 'See what he does' is partly lost ('…nople'); the following passage 'from the discourse on the Nativity' is John Chrysostom's, so the lost heading probably named him. Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). The polemic against pagan idols and heretics is Chrysostom's, translated as written. Scripture: Luke 4:18 (Isa 61:1); John 14:28; John 10:30 (allusion); John 1:1; John 5:19; Gen 2:7; Gen 3:6; 1 Cor 15:47.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): πὶ οταεἰοῆθ υἱοῦ, υἱ μοῦ δ) πηθπὶ ἱμῃδὈ δὴ 115 → ; ἀραῖ. Ναίιιγα → ; ἴῃ 15} 4 οἱ ὅ. ἐοῦ → τοῦ; οὐπὶ ἰῃ Ιαρίάες εἰ ᾿ἰζπα οἱ → .
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.28 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-28
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.29PG 83
Χριστὸς, καὶ τὸ οἰκεῖον διώρθωσε σκεῦος. --- Καὶ μετ᾽ ἀλίγα " Ἔκεϊνο δέ φαμεν, ὅτι ναὸν ἅγιον ἑαυτῷ κατασκευάσας ὁ Θεὸς Λόγος, δι᾽ ἐχείνου τὴν ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν πολιτείαν εἰς τὸν βίον εἰσήγαγε τὸν ἡμέτερον. --- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ ἀπὸ τοῦ.1όγου, ε οΟτι τὰ ταπειγῶς εἰρημένα καὶ γεγεγημένα παρὰ τοῦ Χριστοῦ, οὐ δι’ ἀσθένειαν δυνάμεως ἐγίνετο καὶ Τίνες οὖν εἰσιν αἱ αἰτίαι τοῦ ταπεινὰ πολλὰ καὶ αὐτὸν καὶ τοὺς ἀποστόλους εἰρηκέναι περὶ ἑαυ- «οὔ; Πρώτη μὲν αἰτία καὶ μεγίστη, τὸ σάρκα αὐτὸν περιδεύόλῃσθαι, καὶ βούλεσθαι καὶ τοὺς τότε καὶ τοὺς μετὰ ταῦτα πιστώσασθαι πάντας, ὅτι οὗ σκιά τίς ἐστιν, οὐδὲ σχῆμα ἁπλῶς τὸ ὁρώμενον, ἀλλ᾽ ἀλήθεια φύσεως. Εἰ γὰρ τοσαῦτα ταπεινὰ καὶ ἀνθρώπινα, καὶ αὐτοῦ, καὶ τῶν ἀποστόλων εἰρηκότων περὶ αὐτοῦ, ὅμως ἴσχυσεν ὁ διάδολος πεῖσαί τινας τῶν ἀθλίων καὶ ταλαιπώρων ἀνθρώπων, ἀρνήσασθαι τῆς οἰκονομίας τὸν λόγον, καὶ τολμῇσαι εἰπεῖν ὅτι σάρκα οὐκ ἔλαθε, καὶ πᾶσαν τῆς φιλανθρωπίας ὑπόθεσιν ἀνελεῖν" εἰ μηδὲν τούτων εἶπε: “πόσοι οὐκ ἂν εἰς τὸ βάραθρον τοῦτο χατέπεσον]
Christos, kai to oikeion diōrthōse skeuos. --- Kai met᾽ aliga " Ekeïno de phamen, hoti naon hagion heautǭ kataskeuasas ho Theos Logos, di᾽ echeinou tēn ek tōn ouranōn politeian eis ton bion eisēgage ton hēmeteron. --- Tou autou apo tou.1ogou, e oOti ta tapeigōs eirēmena kai gegegēmena para tou Christou, ou di’ astheneian dynameōs egineto kai Tines oun eisin hai aitiai tou tapeina polla kai auton kai tous apostolous eirēkenai peri heau- «ou? Prōtē men aitia kai megistē, to sarka auton perideuolę̄sthai, kai boulesthai kai tous tote kai tous meta tauta pistōsasthai pantas, hoti hou skia tis estin, oude schēma haplōs to horōmenon, all᾽ alētheia physeōs. Ei gar tosauta tapeina kai anthrōpina, kai autou, kai tōn apostolōn eirēkotōn peri autou, homōs ischysen ho diadolos peisai tinas tōn athliōn kai talaipōrōn anthrōpōn, arnēsasthai tēs oikonomias ton logon, kai tolmę̄sai eipein hoti sarka ouk elathe, kai pasan tēs philanthrōpias hypothesin anelein" ei mēden toutōn eipe: “posoi ouk an eis to barathron touto chatepeson]
… Christ …, and he set right his own vessel.” And a little later: “But this we say, that God the Word, having prepared for himself a holy temple, through it brought into our life the way of life from the heavens.” Of the same, from the discourse “That the things said and done by Christ in a lowly manner came about not through weakness of power and …”: “What, then, are the reasons why both he himself and the apostles said many lowly things about him? The first and greatest reason is that he had put on flesh, and wished to assure both those of that time and all those after them that what was seen is not some shadow nor a mere figure, but the reality of a nature. For if, when so many lowly and human things were said about him both by himself and by the apostles, the devil was nevertheless able to persuade some wretched and miserable people to deny the account of the dispensation, to dare to say that he did not take flesh, and to destroy the whole basis of his love for humankind, then if he had said none of these things, how many would not have fallen into this pit?”
Notes and citation
Summary: John Chrysostom: God the Word made himself a holy temple; Christ and the apostles spoke lowly things about him so that no one would think his flesh a shadow or appearance.
- Florilegium. Quotations from John Chrysostom (the end of the Nativity sermon quoted in the previous section, and his homily on the lowly sayings of Christ); the opening of this section is lost in the OCR. Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged correction).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): ἰπ ἢυτη α 5 ἰη 18- Ρἰάς δἰ ἢἃ → .
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.29 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-29
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
1.30PG 83
Ὀλίγας μὲν οὖν ἐκ παμπόλλων σοι παρήγα- Ὑῦν χρήσεις τῶν κηρύκων τῆς ἀληθείας, ἵνα μὴ «τῷ πλήθει τὰς ἀκοὰς ἀποχναίσω. ᾿Αποχρῶσι δὲ καὶ αὗται δεῖξαι τῶν ἀξιεπαίνων ἀνδρῶν τοῦ φρονήματος τὸν σκοπόν. Σὸν δ᾽ ἂν εἴη φάναι λοιπὸν, ὅπως ἔχειν σοι τὰ εἰρημένα δοκεῖ. ΕΡΔΑΝ. Συνῳδὰ μὲν εἰρήκασιν ἅπαντες, καὶ συμφωνοῦσι τοῖς τὴν πρὸς ἀνίσχοντα ἥλιον γεωργήσασι δὲ εἶδον ἐν τοῖς λόγο:ς διαίρεσιν. ΟΡΘ. Διάδοχοι τῶν θείων ἀποστόλων οἱ ἄνδρες γεγένηνται, Τινὲς δὲ καὶ τῆς ἱερᾶς αὐτῶν φωνῆς, καὶ τῆς ἀξιαγάστου θέας ἀπήλαυσαν᾽ οἱ δέ γε πλεῖστοι τοῖς τοῦ μαρτυρίου στεφάνοις χατεχοσῃήθῃησαν. Ἢ τοίνυν εὐαγές σαι δοκεῖ καὶ κατὰ τούτων τὴν βλάσφημαν κινῆσαι γλῶτταν; ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῦτο μὲν δράσαι δειμᾳίνω, τὴν δὲ πολ- ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐγώ σοι πάλιν καράδοξον μαι θεραπείαν. Ἕνα γὰρ τῶν τῆς θαυμασίας ὑμῶν αἰἱρέσειυς διδάσκαλον ᾿Απολινάριον εἷς μέσον παρἀξω, καὶ δείξω τοῖς ἁγίοις Πατράσι τὃ, « Ὁ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο, ν παραπλησίως νενοηκότα. ἔλχουσον κοίνυν ἐν τῷ κατὰ κεφάλαιον βιδλίῳ οἷα περὶ «οὐ- Ἐκκ τοῦ κατὰ κεφάλαιον βιθλίου. Εἰ ὃ προσλαμβάνει τις οὐ τρέπεται εἰς τοῦτο, προσέλαδε δὲ σάρκᾳ ὁ Χριστὸς, ἄρα οὖκ ἐτράπη εἰς σάρκα. Καὶ πάλιν εὐθὺς ἐπισυνάπτων φησί" Καὶ γὰρ ἑαυτὸν ἡμῖν εἰς συγγένειαν ἐχαρίσατο διὰ τοῦ σώματος, ἵνα σώσῃ. Μακρῷ δὲ κάλλιον τοῦ σωζομένου τὸ σῶζον. μακρῷ ἄρα κάλλιον ἡμῶν καὶ ἐν τῇ σωματώσει. Οὐκ ἂν δὲ ἦν κάλλιον εἰς σάρκα τραπείς. Καὶ μετ᾽ ὁδιλίγα δὲ οὕτω «λέγει" Τὸ ἁπλοῦν ἕν ἔστι, τὸ δὲ σύνθετον οὐ δύναται ἕν εἶναι. Τροπὴν οὖν λέγει τοῦ ἑνὸς Λόγου ὁ φάσκων αὐτὸν σάρκα Ὑεγενῆσθαι. Εἰ δὲ καὶ τὸ σύνθετον ἕν ἐστιν, ὥσπερ ανῦγρωπος, τὸ κατὰ σύνθξσιν ἕν λέγει ὁ διὰ τὴν πρὸς σάρκα ἕνωσιν λέγων ε Ὃ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο.» Καὶ αὖθις μειὰ βραχέα καὶ ταῦτα εἷρηκδ᾽ Σάρχωσις, κένωσις" ἡ δὲ κένωσις οὐκ ἄνθρω- Ο πον, ἀλλὰ Υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου τὸν κενώσαντᾳ ἑαυτὸν ἀπέφηνε, κατὰ τὴν περιθολῆν, οὐ κατὰ μεταδολῆν. Ἰδού σοι καὶ τὸ τῆς περιδολῇς ὄνομα προσενήνοχεν ὁ τῶν σῶν δογμάτων διδάσκαλος. Καὶ μένποι κἀν τῷ Περὶ πίστεως λογιδίῳ οὕτω λέγει" Πι- ᾿'στεύομεν οὖν, ἀναλλοιώτου μενούσης τῆς θεότητος, τὴν σάρκωσιν αὐτῆς γεγενῆσθαι πρὸς ἀνακαίνισιν τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος. Οὗτε γὰρ ἀλλοίωσις, οὔτε μεταχίνησις, οὔτε περιχλεισμὸς γέγονς περὶ τὴν ἁγίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ δύναμιν. Καὶ μετ᾽ ὀλίγα " Προσκυνοῦμεν δὲ Θεὸν σάρκα ἐκ τῆς ἁγίας Παρθένου προσλαδόντα, καὶ διὰ τοῦτο ἄνθρωπον μὲν ὄντα κατὰ τὴν σάρκα, Θεὸν δὲ κατὰ τὸ πνεῦμα. Καὶ ἐν ἑτέρᾳ δὲ ἐκθέσει οὕτως ἔφη Ὁμολογοῦμεν τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου γεγενῆσθαι, οὐκ ὀνόματι, ἀλλ᾽ ἀληθείχ προσλαθδόντα ἐκ Μαρίας τῆς Παρθένου σάρκα. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ᾧμην ταῦτα φρονεῖν τὸν ᾿Απολινάριον" ἑτέρας γὰρ περὶ τοῦ ἀνδρὸς εἶχον δόξας. ΟΡΘ. Ἰδοὺ τοίνυνίμεμάθηκας, ὡς οὐ μόνον οἱ προφῆται καὶ ἀπόστολοι, καὶ οἱ μετ᾽ αὐτοὺς χειροτονηθέντες τῆς οἰκουμένης διδάσκαλοι, ἀλλὰ καὶ ᾿Απολινάριος, ὁ τοὺς αἱρετικοὺς φληνάφους συγγράψας, καὶ ἄτρεπτον ὁμολογεῖ τὸν θεὸν Λόγον, καὶ οὐκ εἰς σάρκα τετράφθαι φησὶν, ᾿ἀλλὰ σάρκα ἀνειληφέναι" καὶ τοῦτο πολλάκις εἶπεν, ὡς ᾿ἀκήκοας. Μὴ τοίνυν ἀποκρύψαι τῇ βλασφημίᾳ φιλονεικήσῃς τὸν διδάσκαλον. ε Οὐκ ἔστι γὰρ μαθητὴς ὑπὲρ τὸν διδάσκαλον, » ὁ Κύριος ἔφη. ΕΡΑΝ. Ὁμολογῶ χἀγὼ,, καὶ ἄτρεπτον εἶναι τὸν Θεὺν Λόγον καὶ σάρκα ἀνειληφέναι. Τὸ γὰρ τοσούτοῖς μάρτυσιν ἀντιτείνειν, παραπληξίας ἐσχάτης. ΟΡΘ. Δοκεῖ τοίνυν καὶ τῶν λοιπῶν ζητημάτων γενέσθαι τὴν λύσιν; μεθα βάσανον. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Απίωμεν τοίνυν διαλύσαντες τὴν συνοῦσίαν, καὶ ὧν ὡμολογήσαμεν μνημονεύσωμεν.
Oligas men oun ek pampollōn soi parēga- Hyyn chrēseis tōn kērykōn tēs alētheias, hina mē «tǭ plēthei tas akoas apochnaisō. ᾿Apochrōsi de kai hautai deixai tōn axiepainōn andrōn tou phronēmatos ton skopon. Son d᾽ an eiē phanai loipon, hopōs echein soi ta eirēmena dokei. ERDAN. Synǭda men eirēkasin hapantes, kai symphōnousi tois tēn pros anischonta hēlion geōrgēsasi de eidon en tois logo:s diairesin. ORTh. Diadochoi tōn theiōn apostolōn hoi andres gegenēntai, Tines de kai tēs hieras autōn phōnēs, kai tēs axiagastou theas apēlausan᾽ hoi de ge pleistoi tois tou martyriou stephanois chatechosę̄ēthę̄ēsan. Ē toinyn euages sai dokei kai kata toutōn tēn blasphēman kinēsai glōttan? ERAN. Touto men drasai deimąinō, tēn de pol- ORTh. ᾿All᾽ egō soi palin karadoxon mai therapeian. Hena gar tōn tēs thaumasias hymōn aiireseiys didaskalon ᾿Apolinarion heis meson paraxō, kai deixō tois hagiois Patrasi to, « Ho Logos sarx egeneto, n paraplēsiōs nenoēkota. elchouson koinyn en tǭ kata kephalaion bidliǭ hoia peri «ou- Ekk tou kata kephalaion bithliou. Ei ho proslambanei tis ou trepetai eis touto, proselade de sarką ho Christos, ara ouk etrapē eis sarka. Kai palin euthys episynaptōn phēsi" Kai gar heauton hēmin eis syngeneian echarisato dia tou sōmatos, hina sōsę̄. Makrǭ de kallion tou sōzomenou to sōzon. makrǭ ara kallion hēmōn kai en tę̄ sōmatōsei. Ouk an de ēn kallion eis sarka trapeis. Kai met᾽ hodiliga de houtō «legei" To haploun hen esti, to de syntheton ou dynatai hen einai. Tropēn oun legei tou henos Logou ho phaskōn auton sarka Hyegenēsthai. Ei de kai to syntheton hen estin, hōsper anygrōpos, to kata synthxsin hen legei ho dia tēn pros sarka henōsin legōn e Ho Logos sarx egeneto.» Kai authis meia brachea kai tauta heirēkd᾽ Sarchōsis, kenōsis" hē de kenōsis ouk anthrō- O pon, alla Huion anthrōpou ton kenōsantą heauton apephēne, kata tēn peritholēn, ou kata metadolēn. Idou soi kai to tēs peridolę̄s onoma prosenēnochen ho tōn sōn dogmatōn didaskalos. Kai menpoi kan tǭ Peri pisteōs logidiǭ houtō legei" Pi- ᾿'steuomen oun, analloiōtou menousēs tēs theotētos, tēn sarkōsin autēs gegenēsthai pros anakainisin tēs anthrōpotētos. Houte gar alloiōsis, oute metachinēsis, oute perichleismos gegons peri tēn hagian tou Theou dynamin. Kai met᾽ oliga " Proskynoumen de Theon sarka ek tēs hagias Parthenou prosladonta, kai dia touto anthrōpon men onta kata tēn sarka, Theon de kata to pneuma. Kai en heterą de ekthesei houtōs ephē Homologoumen ton Huion tou Theou Huion anthrōpou gegenēsthai, ouk onomati, all᾽ alētheich proslathdonta ek Marias tēs Parthenou sarka. ERAN. Ouk hǭmēn tauta phronein ton ᾿Apolinarion" heteras gar peri tou andros eichon doxas. ORTh. Idou toinynimemathēkas, hōs ou monon hoi prophētai kai apostoloi, kai hoi met᾽ autous cheirotonēthentes tēs oikoumenēs didaskaloi, alla kai ᾿Apolinarios, ho tous hairetikous phlēnaphous syngrapsas, kai atrepton homologei ton theon Logon, kai ouk eis sarka tetraphthai phēsin, ᾿alla sarka aneilēphenai" kai touto pollakis eipen, hōs ᾿akēkoas. Mē toinyn apokrypsai tę̄ blasphēmią philoneikēsę̄s ton didaskalon. e Ouk esti gar mathētēs hyper ton didaskalon, » ho Kyrios ephē. ERAN. Homologō chagō,, kai atrepton einai ton Theun Logon kai sarka aneilēphenai. To gar tosoutois martysin antiteinein, paraplēxias eschatēs. ORTh. Dokei toinyn kai tōn loipōn zētēmatōn genesthai tēn lysin? metha basanon. ORTh. ᾿Apiōmen toinyn dialysantes tēn synousian, kai hōn hōmologēsamen mnēmoneusōmen.
[Orthodoxos:] I have brought you a few passages, out of very many, from the heralds of the truth, so as not to weary your ears with their number. Even these are enough to show the aim of the thought of these praiseworthy men. It would now be yours to say how what has been said seems to you. Eranistes: All of them have spoken in harmony, and agree with those who cultivated [the lands] toward the rising sun; but I saw a division in the words of [these] … Orthodoxos: These men became successors of the divine apostles. Some of them even enjoyed their holy voice and their admirable presence; and most … were adorned with the crowns of martyrdom. Does it seem pious to you, then, to move your blasphemous tongue against these too? Eranistes: This I fear to do; but the … Orthodoxos: But I will again [offer] you an unexpected remedy. For I will bring into the open one of the teachers of your admirable heresy, Apollinarius, and show that he understood “The Word became flesh” in the same way as the holy Fathers. Hear, then, what he [says] about this in the book arranged by chapters. From the book by chapters: “If what one assumes is not changed into it, and Christ assumed flesh, then he was not changed into flesh.” And again, immediately joining on, he says: “For he graciously gave himself to us in kinship through the body, in order to save. And what saves is far better than what is saved; therefore he is far better than us even in his embodiment. But he would not have been better if he had been changed into flesh.” And a little later he speaks thus: “The simple is one, but the composite cannot be one. He who says that he became flesh, then, speaks of a change of the one Word. But if the composite too is one, as a human being is, then he who says ‘The Word became flesh’ because of the union with flesh speaks of one by composition.” And again, a little after, he said this too: “Incarnation is emptying; and the emptying showed the one who emptied himself to be not a human being but the Son of Man, by way of clothing, not by way of change.” See, the teacher of your doctrines has even offered you the word “clothing.” And indeed in the little discourse On the Faith he speaks thus: “We believe, then, that, the Godhead remaining unaltered, its incarnation took place for the renewal of humanity. For no alteration, no movement, no enclosure took place in regard to the holy power of God.” And a little later: “We worship God, who took flesh from the holy Virgin, and is therefore human according to the flesh, but God according to the spirit.” And in another exposition he spoke thus: “We confess that the Son of God became Son of Man, not in name but in truth, having taken flesh from Mary the Virgin.” Eranistes: I did not think that Apollinarius held these views; for I had other opinions about the man. Orthodoxos: See, then, you have learned that not only the prophets and apostles, and the teachers of the world ordained after them, but also Apollinarius, who wrote the heretical nonsense, both confesses God the Word immutable and says that he was not changed into flesh but assumed flesh; and he said this many times, as you have heard. Do not, then, strive to outdo your teacher in blasphemy. “For a disciple is not above his teacher,” the Lord said. Eranistes: I too confess both that God the Word is immutable and that he assumed flesh. For to resist so many witnesses is extreme madness. Orthodoxos: Does it seem good to you, then, that the remaining questions too should be resolved? [Eranistes:] … test. Orthodoxos: Let us depart, then, breaking up our meeting, and let us remember what we have agreed.
Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:24 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The first dialogue ends: Orthodoxos shows that even Apollinarius, whom Eranistes follows, taught that the Word assumed flesh without change, and Eranistes confesses that God the Word is immutable and assumed flesh.
- The quotations of Apollinarius (from his 'book by chapters', his little discourse On the Faith, and another exposition) are fragments preserved here; Theodoret uses them to show that even the teacher of Eranistes' party denied that the Word was changed. 'Admirable heresy' is ironic. Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed, including Eranistes' objection about 'division' in the eastern teachers' words (i.e. their distinction of two natures) and his reply at the end. Migne's Latin column and marginal notes read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Phil 2:7; Matt 10:24.
Notes on the original text
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Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 1.30 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/1-30
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
Chapter 2
2.1PG 83
ΟΡΘ. Ἐδεξάμην τὴν πρόκλησιν" ὀρθὴν γὰρ αὐτὴν καὶ δικαίαν ὑπείληφα. Δεῖ δὲ ἡμᾶς ἀναμνησθῆναι πρότερον, ποῖ (Ὁ) κατελείπομεν τῇ προτεραίᾳ τὸν λόγον, καὶ ποῖον ἔσχεν ἡ διάλεξις πέρας. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐγὼ τοῦ πέρατος ἀναμνήσω. Μέμνημαι γὰρ ὡς συνωμοληγήσαμεν, ἄτρεπτον μεῖναι τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον, καὶ σάρκα εἰληφέναι, οὐκ αὐτὸν εἰς σάρκα τραπῆναι. ΟΡΘ. “Ἑοικας στέργειν τὰ δεδηγμένα" φιλαλήθως ΕΡΑΝ, Καὶ ἤδη πρότερον ἔφην, ὡς ὃ τοσούτοις ἀντιτείνων καὶ τοιούτοις διδασκάλοις, ἐναργέστατα μέμηνεν᾽ οὐκ ἥκιστα δέ με κατήδεσεν ᾿Απολινάριος ταὐτὰ τοῖς ὀρθοδόξοις εἰπὼν, καίτοι προφανῶς ἐν τοῖς περὶ σαρκώσεως λόγοις ἐναντίαν ὁδεύσας ὁδόν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκ οὖν σάρκα τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον ἀνειληφέναι Τὴν δὲ σάρκα τί νοοῦμεν; σῶμα μόνον, ὡς ᾿Αρείῳ καὶ Εὐνομίῳ δοκεῖ, ἣ σῶμα καὶ ψυχήν; ΕΡΑΝ. Σῶμα καὶ ψυχήν, ΟΡΘ. Ποίαν Ψυχὴν; τὴν λογικὴν, ἣ τὴν παρά τινων φυτιχὴν ἤγουν ζωτικὴν καλουμένην; ᾿Αναγχάξει γὰρ ἡμᾶς ἐρωτᾷν ἃ μὴ δεῖ τῶν ᾿Απολιναρίου συγγραμμάτων ἡ μυθώδης τερθρεία. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Απολινάριος γὰρ διαφορὰν λέγει ψυχῶν; ΟΡΘ. Ἐκ τριῶν συγχεῖσθαι λέγεν τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἐκ σώματος, καὶ ψυχῆς τῆς ζωτικῆς, καὶ αὖ πάλιν ἔχ τῆς λογικῆς, ἦν νοῦν προσαγορεύει. Ἡ δὲ θεία. Γραφὴ μίαν οἵδεν, οὐ δύο ψυχάς" καὶ τοῦτο διδάσκει σαφῶς ἡμᾶς ἡ τοῦ πρώτον ἀνθρώπου διάπλασις. « Ἕλαδε γὰρ, φησὶν, ὁ Θεὸς χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς, καὶ ἔπλασε τὸν ἄνθρωπον, καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν. » Καὶ μέντοι καὶ ἐν τοῖς Εὐαγγελίοις ὁ Κύριος τοῖς ἁγίοις εἴρηκε μαθηταῖς " «Μὴ φοδεῖσθε ἀπὸ τῶν ἀποκτεινόντων τὸ σῶμα, τὴν δὲ ψυχὴν μὴ δυναμένων ἀποκτεῖναι" φοδήθητε ὃὲ μᾶλλον τὸν καὶ τὸ σῶμα καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἀπολέται δυνάμενον ἐν γεέννῃ.» Καὶ ὁ θειότατος Μωῦσῇς, τὸν ἀριθμὸν τεθεικὼς τῶν χατεληλυθότων εἰς Αἴγυπτον, καὶ εἷρηκὼς μεθ᾽ ὧν ἕκαστος εἰσελήλυθε φύλαρχος, ἐπἦγαγε" « Πᾶσαι αἱ ψυκαὶ αἱ εἰσελθοῦσαι εἰς Αἴγυπτον ἑδδομήχοντα πέντε, » μίαν ἑκάστου τῶν εἰσεληλυθότων ἀριθμήσας ψυχήν. Καὶ ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος ς ἐν Τρωάδι, πάντων ὑπειληφότων τεθνάναι τὸν Εὔτυχον, ἔφη « Μὴ θορυύδεῖσθε, ἡ γὰρ ψυχὴ αὐτοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ ἐστι.» ΕΡΑΝ. Δέδειχκται σαφῶς, ὡς μίαν ἕχαστος ἄνθρωπος ἔχει ψυχήν ᾿ ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ᾿Απολινάρ:ος δύο λέγει, καὶ τὴν μὲν ἄλογον ἀνειληφέναι τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον " ἀντὶ δὲ τῆς λογικῆς, αὐτὸν ἐν σαρκὶ γεγενῆσθαι. Τούτου χάριν ἠρόμην, ποίαν φὴς μετὰ τοῦ σώματος ἀνειλῆφθαι ψυχήν. ΕΡΑΝ. Τὴν λογικὴν ἐγώ φήμι᾽ τῇ Γραφῇ γὰρ ΟΡΘ. Τελείαν τοίνυν ἀναληφθῆναί φαμεν ὑπὸ Θεοῦ Λόγου τὴν τοῦ δούλου μορφήν; ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μάλα εἰκότως. Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος ὅλο; ὑπὸ τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἐγένετο, καὶ τοὺς τῆς θείας εἰκόνος ἀπώλεσε χαρακτῆρας, ἠκολούθησε δὲ τῷ γενεάρχῃ τὸ γένος" ἀναγκαίως ὁ Δημιουργὸς ὅλην τὴν φύσιν ἀναλαδὼν, πολλῷ τῶν προτέρων
ORTh. Edexamēn tēn proklēsin" orthēn gar autēn kai dikaian hypeilēpha. Dei de hēmas anamnēsthēnai proteron, poi (Ho) kateleipomen tę̄ proteraią ton logon, kai poion eschen hē dialexis peras. ERAN. Egō tou peratos anamnēsō. Memnēmai gar hōs synōmolēgēsamen, atrepton meinai ton Theon Logon, kai sarka eilēphenai, ouk auton eis sarka trapēnai. ORTh. “Heoikas stergein ta dedēgmena" philalēthōs ERAN, Kai ēdē proteron ephēn, hōs ho tosoutois antiteinōn kai toioutois didaskalois, enargestata memēnen᾽ ouk hēkista de me katēdesen ᾿Apolinarios tauta tois orthodoxois eipōn, kaitoi prophanōs en tois peri sarkōseōs logois enantian hodeusas hodon. ORTh. Ouk oun sarka ton Theon Logon aneilēphenai Tēn de sarka ti nooumen? sōma monon, hōs ᾿Areiǭ kai Eunomiǭ dokei, hē sōma kai psychēn? ERAN. Sōma kai psychēn, ORTh. Poian Psychēn? tēn logikēn, hē tēn para tinōn phytichēn ēgoun zōtikēn kaloumenēn? ᾿Ananchaxei gar hēmas erōtąn ha mē dei tōn ᾿Apolinariou syngrammatōn hē mythōdēs terthreia. ERAN. ᾿Apolinarios gar diaphoran legei psychōn? ORTh. Ek triōn syncheisthai legen ton anthrōpon, ek sōmatos, kai psychēs tēs zōtikēs, kai au palin ech tēs logikēs, ēn noun prosagoreuei. Hē de theia. Graphē mian hoiden, ou dyo psychas" kai touto didaskei saphōs hēmas hē tou prōton anthrōpou diaplasis. « Helade gar, phēsin, ho Theos choun apo tēs gēs, kai eplase ton anthrōpon, kai enephysēsen eis to prosōpon autou pnoēn zōēs, kai egeneto ho anthrōpos eis psychēn zōsan. » Kai mentoi kai en tois Euangeliois ho Kyrios tois hagiois eirēke mathētais " «Mē phodeisthe apo tōn apokteinontōn to sōma, tēn de psychēn mē dynamenōn apokteinai" phodēthēte hoe mallon ton kai to sōma kai tēn psychēn apoletai dynamenon en geennę̄.» Kai ho theiotatos Mōysę̄s, ton arithmon tetheikōs tōn chatelēlythotōn eis Aigypton, kai heirēkōs meth᾽ hōn hekastos eiselēlythe phylarchos, epēgage" « Pasai hai psykai hai eiselthousai eis Aigypton heddomēchonta pente, » mian hekastou tōn eiselēlythotōn arithmēsas psychēn. Kai ho theios ᾿Apostolos s en Trōadi, pantōn hypeilēphotōn tethnanai ton Eutychon, ephē « Mē thoryydeisthe, hē gar psychē autou en autǭ esti.» ERAN. Dedeichktai saphōs, hōs mian hechastos anthrōpos echei psychēn ᾿ ORTh. ᾿All᾽ ᾿Apolinar:os dyo legei, kai tēn men alogon aneilēphenai ton Theon Logon " anti de tēs logikēs, auton en sarki gegenēsthai. Toutou charin ēromēn, poian phēs meta tou sōmatos aneilēphthai psychēn. ERAN. Tēn logikēn egō phēmi᾽ tę̄ Graphę̄ gar ORTh. Teleian toinyn analēphthēnai phamen hypo Theou Logou tēn tou doulou morphēn? ORTh. Kai mala eikotōs. Epeidē gar ho prōtos anthrōpos holo? hypo tēn hamartian egeneto, kai tous tēs theias eikonos apōlese charaktēras, ēkolouthēse de tǭ genearchę̄ to genos" anankaiōs ho Dēmiourgos holēn tēn physin analadōn, pollǭ tōn proterōn
Orthodoxos: I accepted the challenge, for I took it to be right and just. But first we must recall where we left the discussion yesterday, and what end the debate reached. Eranistes: I will recall the end. For I remember that we agreed that God the Word remained immutable and took flesh, not that he himself was changed into flesh. Orthodoxos: You seem to be content with what has been shown; [you have spoken] as a lover of truth … Eranistes: I said before too that whoever resists so many teachers of such quality is most plainly mad; and not least Apollinarius put me to shame by saying the same things as the orthodox, though in his discourses on the incarnation he plainly went the opposite way. Orthodoxos: [Do we say,] then, that God the Word assumed flesh? … And what do we understand by flesh? A body only, as Arius and Eunomius think, or body and soul? Eranistes: Body and soul. Orthodoxos: What kind of soul? The rational one, or the one some call vegetative or vital? For the fabulous trickery of Apollinarius' writings compels us to ask what we should not need to ask. Eranistes: Does Apollinarius, then, speak of a difference of souls? Orthodoxos: He says that the human being is composed of three: of body, of the vital soul, and again of the rational, which he calls mind. But the divine Scripture knows one soul, not two; and the fashioning of the first human being teaches us this clearly. “For God took dust from the earth,” it says, “and formed the human being, and breathed into his face the breath of life, and the human being became a living soul.” And indeed in the Gospels the Lord said to the holy disciples, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather fear him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna.” And the most divine Moses, having given the number of those who went down into Egypt and said with whom each tribal head entered, added, “All the souls who entered Egypt were seventy-five,” counting one soul for each of those who entered. And the divine Apostle in Troas, when everyone supposed that Eutychus had died, said, “Do not be troubled, for his soul is in him.” Eranistes: It has been clearly shown that each human being has one soul. Orthodoxos: But Apollinarius speaks of two, and says that God the Word assumed the irrational one, and that instead of the rational he himself came to be in the flesh. This is why I asked what kind of soul you say was assumed with the body. Eranistes: I say the rational; for Scripture … Orthodoxos: Do we say, then, that the form of the servant was assumed complete by God the Word? … Orthodoxos: And very reasonably. For since the first human being came wholly under sin and lost the features of the divine image, and the race followed its founder, the Creator of necessity assumed the whole nature, [and renewed it] much more than the former …
Gen 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 46:27 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 7:14 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 20:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:27 (allusion, low confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The second dialogue opens: Eranistes recalls that the Word assumed flesh without change, and Orthodoxos shows from Scripture, against Apollinarius' two souls, that the Word assumed a rational soul and the whole human nature.
- Theodoret's account of Apollinarius' view (body, vital soul, and rational mind, with the Word taking the place of the mind) is his own summary. Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. Migne's Latin column and footnotes read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Gen 2:7; Matt 10:28; Gen 46:27 (LXX: seventy-five souls; cf. Acts 7:14); Acts 20:10; Phil 2:7 (the form of the servant); Gen 1:27 (image).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; Migne's footnote read into the text): ὧν» Οο- 406 πῃ 11 δυ 6 πὶ ρτγϊ μοῖρα [ιν] διὰ ἰπρτοϑϑὶ ἐβϑθηΐ, Δα άϊι : εἰ ὁδὶ αυῶ → ὡς ; ΟΆΤΗ. Εἰ πιοτὸ αυϊάεια. απ οπἰπὶ ῥγὶπηυ3 Ὁ → ; () ἦγ. ζωτ. χ φἀ. οπι. οἱ 1ωρ5. δυρροίυπι. → .
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.1 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-1
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
2.2PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Ταῦτα μὲν ἀληθῆ. ᾿Δξιῶ δὲ πρωτον ἡμῖν εὐχρινεῖς γενέσθαι τῶν ὀνομάτων τὰς σημασίας" ἵν᾽ ἡ διάλεξις ἀκωλύτως προδαίνῃ, καὶ μηδὲν τῶν λόγον. ᾿ ᾿ΟΡΘ. "Αριστα εἴρηκας " ἔρου τοίνυν περὶ οὗ ἂν ἐθέλῃς. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἰησοῦν τὸν Χριστὸν τί χρὴ χαλεν: ἄνθρωπον; ΟΡΘ. Οὐδέτερον δίχα θατέρου, ἀλλ᾽ ἑκάτερον. Ὁ γὰρ Θεὸς Λόγος ἐνανθρωπήσας Ἰησοῦς Χριστὸς ὠνομάσθη. «Καλέσεις γὰρ, φησὶ, τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦν᾽ αὐτὸς γὰρ σώσει τὸν λαὸν αὑτοῦ ἀπὸ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτοῦ. » Καὶ, «Σήμερον τίκτεται ὑμῖν Χριστὸ; Κύριο; ἐν πόλεις Δαδίδ, » ᾿Αγγέλων δὲ αὗται φωναί. Πρὺ δὲ τῆς ἐνανθρωπήσεως, Θεὸς, καὶ Θεοῦ Υἰὸς, καὶ Μονογενὴς, καὶ Κύριος, καὶ Θεὸς Λόγος, καὶ Ποιητὴς ὠνομάζετο. « Ἐν ἀρχῇ γὰρ Ἦν, φησὶν, ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἣν πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν " καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος» καὶ, ε Πάντα δι᾽ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο" » καὶ, ε Ζωὴ ἣν" » καὶ, ε Ἦν τὸ φῶς τὸ ἀληθινὸν, ὅ φωτίζει πάντα ἄνθρωπον ἐρχόμενον εἰς τὸν κόσμον᾽» καὶ ὅσα τούτοις ἐστὶ παραπλήσια, καὶ τῆς φύσεως «ἧς θείας δηλωτικά, Μετὰ δέ γε τὴν ἀνθρώπησιν, Ἰησοῦς καὶ Χριστὸς ὠνομάσθη. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκοῦν Θεὸς μόνον Ἰησοῦς ὁ Κύριο;. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Ενανθρωπήσαντα Θεὸν Λόγον ἀκούεις, καὶ Θεὸν μόνον ἀποκαλεὶς; ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐπειδὴ μὴ τραπεὶς ἐνηνθρώπησεν, ἀλλὰ μεμένηχεν ὅπερ ἦν, χρὴ καλεῖν αὐτὸν ὅπερ ἦν. ΟΡΘ. ΓΑτρεπτος μὲν ὁ θεὸς Λόγος καὶ ἣν, καὶ ἔστι, καὶ ἔσται" ἀνθρωπείαν δὲ φύσιν λαθὼν ἐνηνθρώπησε. Προσήκει τοίνυν ἡμᾶς ἐκατέραν φύσιν ὁμολογεῖν, καὶ τὴν λαθδοῦσαν καὶ τὴν ληφθεῖσαν. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Απὸ τῆς κρείττονος ὀνομάζειν χρή. ΟΡΘ. Ὃ ἄνθρωπος ἐκεῖνος, τὸ ζῶον λέγω, ἁπλοὺς ἐστιν, ἣ σύνθετος; ΟΡΘ. Ἔχ τίνων συγκείμενος; ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐκ σώματος καὶ ψυχῆς. ΟΡΘ. Τῶν δὲ φύσεων τούτων ποτέρα κρείττων; ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς ἡ Ψυχή’ λογική τε γάρ ἔστι, καὶ ἀθάνατος, καὶ τοῦ ζώου τὴν ἡγεμονίαν πεπίστευται. Τὸ δὲ σῶμα θνητόν ἐστι καὶ ἐπίκηρον, καὶ τῆς ψυχῆς χωριζόμενον ἄλογόν ἔστι καὶ νεκρόν. ΟΡΘ. Ἔδει τοιγαροῦν τὴν θείαν Γραφὴν ἐκ τῆς ἀμείνονος φύσεως ὀνομάζειν τὸ ζῶον. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὕτως ὀνομάζει. Τοὺς γὰρ εἰσεληλυθότας εἰς Αἴγυπτον ψυχὰς προσηγόρευσεν. Ἔν ἑθδομήχοντα γὰρ καὶ πέντε, φησὶ, ψυχαῖς χατέδη Ἰσραὴλ εἰς Αἴγυπτον. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Απὸ δὲ σώματος οὐδένα κέκληκεν ἡ θεία Γραφή; ρευσε σάρκας. « Εἶπε γὰρ, φησὶν, ὁ Θεὸς’ Οὐ μὴ καταμείνῃ τὸ Πνεῦμά μον ἐν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις τούτοις, διὰ τὸ εἰἴναιαυτοὺς σάρκας. ν
ERAN. Tauta men alēthē. ᾿Dxiō de prōton hēmin euchrineis genesthai tōn onomatōn tas sēmasias" hin᾽ hē dialexis akōlytōs prodainę̄, kai mēden tōn logon. ᾿ ᾿ORTh. "Arista eirēkas " erou toinyn peri hou an ethelę̄s. ERAN. Iēsoun ton Christon ti chrē chalen: anthrōpon? ORTh. Oudeteron dicha thaterou, all᾽ hekateron. Ho gar Theos Logos enanthrōpēsas Iēsous Christos ōnomasthē. «Kaleseis gar, phēsi, to onoma autou Iēsoun᾽ autos gar sōsei ton laon hautou apo tōn hamartiōn autou. » Kai, «Sēmeron tiktetai hymin Christo? Kyrio? en poleis Dadid, » ᾿Angelōn de hautai phōnai. Pry de tēs enanthrōpēseōs, Theos, kai Theou Uios, kai Monogenēs, kai Kyrios, kai Theos Logos, kai Poiētēs ōnomazeto. « En archę̄ gar Ēn, phēsin, ho Logos, kai ho Logos hēn pros ton Theon " kai Theos ēn ho Logos» kai, e Panta di᾽ autou egeneto" » kai, e Zōē hēn" » kai, e Ēn to phōs to alēthinon, ho phōtizei panta anthrōpon erchomenon eis ton kosmon᾽» kai hosa toutois esti paraplēsia, kai tēs physeōs «hēs theias dēlōtika, Meta de ge tēn anthrōpēsin, Iēsous kai Christos ōnomasthē. ERAN. Oukoun Theos monon Iēsous ho Kyrio?. ORTh. ᾿Enanthrōpēsanta Theon Logon akoueis, kai Theon monon apokaleis? ERAN. Epeidē mē trapeis enēnthrōpēsen, alla memenēchen hoper ēn, chrē kalein auton hoper ēn. ORTh. GAtreptos men ho theos Logos kai hēn, kai esti, kai estai" anthrōpeian de physin lathōn enēnthrōpēse. Prosēkei toinyn hēmas ekateran physin homologein, kai tēn lathdousan kai tēn lēphtheisan. ERAN. ᾿Apo tēs kreittonos onomazein chrē. ORTh. Ho anthrōpos ekeinos, to zōon legō, haplous estin, hē synthetos? ORTh. Ech tinōn synkeimenos? ERAN. Ek sōmatos kai psychēs. ORTh. Tōn de physeōn toutōn potera kreittōn? ERAN. Dēlon hōs hē Psychē’ logikē te gar esti, kai athanatos, kai tou zōou tēn hēgemonian pepisteutai. To de sōma thnēton esti kai epikēron, kai tēs psychēs chōrizomenon alogon esti kai nekron. ORTh. Edei toigaroun tēn theian Graphēn ek tēs ameinonos physeōs onomazein to zōon. ERAN. Houtōs onomazei. Tous gar eiselēlythotas eis Aigypton psychas prosēgoreusen. En hethdomēchonta gar kai pente, phēsi, psychais chatedē Israēl eis Aigypton. ORTh. ᾿Apo de sōmatos oudena keklēken hē theia Graphē? reuse sarkas. « Eipe gar, phēsin, ho Theos’ Ou mē katameinę̄ to Pneuma mon en tois anthrōpois toutois, dia to eiinaiautous sarkas. n
Eranistes: These things are true. But I ask that the meanings of the names first be made clear to us, so that the debate may go forward unhindered and none of the … Orthodoxos: Well said; ask, then, about whatever you wish. Eranistes: What ought we to call Jesus Christ? [God, or] human being? Orthodoxos: Neither without the other, but both. For God the Word, having become human, was named Jesus Christ. “For you shall call his name Jesus,” it says, “for he will save his people from their sins.” And, “Today there is born to you Christ the Lord in the city of David.” These are the words of angels. But before the incarnation he was named God, and Son of God, and Only-begotten, and Lord, and God the Word, and Maker. “For in the beginning was the Word,” it says, “and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”; and, “All things came to be through him”; and, “He was life”; and, “He was the true light, which enlightens every human being coming into the world”; and whatever is like these and indicates the divine nature. But after the incarnation he was named Jesus and Christ. Eranistes: Then the Lord Jesus is God only. Orthodoxos: You hear that God the Word became human, and you call him God only? Eranistes: Since he became human without being changed, but remained what he was, we must call him what he was. Orthodoxos: God the Word was, and is, and will be immutable; but having taken human nature he became human. It is fitting for us, then, to confess both natures, both the one that took and the one that was taken. Eranistes: One should name him from the better. Orthodoxos: The human being (I mean the living creature): is it simple or composite? … Orthodoxos: Composed of what? Eranistes: Of body and soul. Orthodoxos: And which of these natures is the better? Eranistes: Clearly the soul; for it is rational and immortal, and has been entrusted with the rule of the living creature. But the body is mortal and perishable, and when separated from the soul it is irrational and dead. Orthodoxos: Then the divine Scripture ought to name the living creature from the better nature. Eranistes: So it does name it. For it called those who went into Egypt souls: “With seventy-five souls,” it says, “Israel went down into Egypt.” Orthodoxos: And has the divine Scripture called no one from the body? … called them flesh. “For God said,” it says, “My Spirit shall not remain in these human beings, because they are flesh.”
Matt 1:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 46:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 10:22 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 6:3 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Eranistes would call Christ God only, naming him from the better nature; Orthodoxos insists on confessing both natures, and begins to show that Scripture names human beings from the body ('flesh') as well as from the soul.
- Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (including Eranistes' answer 'composite' and the start of the reply about 'flesh'). Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Matt 1:21; Luke 2:11; John 1:1, 3, 4, 9; Gen 46:27 (LXX) and Deut 10:22 (cf. Acts 7:14); Gen 6:3.
Notes on the original text
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Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.2 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-2
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
2.3PG 83
ΟΡΘ. Δίχα δὲ κατηγορίας οὐδένα προσηγόρευσε, σάρκα; ΟΡΘ. ᾿Εγώ σε. τοιγαροῦν ἀναμνήσω καὶ διδάξω, ὡς τοὺ; ἄγαν ἁγίους σάρκας προσηγόρευσεν. ᾿Απόκριναι τοίνυν᾽ Τοὺς ἀποστόλους τί ἂν καλέσῃς; πνευ- ΕΡΑΝ, Πνευματικοὺς, καὶ τῶν πνευματικῶν χουν τοίνυν τοῦ θεσπεσίου Παύλου λέγοντος " « Ὅτε δὲ. ηὐδόκησεν ὁ ἀφορίσας με ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μον, καὶ χαλέτας διὰ τῆς χάριτος αὑτοῦ, Ὦ ἀποκαλύψαι τὸν Υἱὸν αὑτοῦ ἐν ἐμοὶ, ἕνα αὐτὸν εὖμὴν σαρκὶ καὶ αἵματι, οὐδὲ ἀνῆλθον πρὸς τοὺς πρὸ ἐμοῦ ἀποσπτόλονς. » Μὴ κατηγορῶν. τῶν ἀποστόλων οὕτω τε αὐτοὺς προσηγόρευσεν » ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἀπὸ τῆς ὁρωμένης φύσεως ὀνομάζων, καὶ συγκρίνων τῇ οὐρανόθεν κλήσει τὴν δι᾽ ἀνθρώπων κλῇσιν; ἄδοντος τῷ Θεῷ, καὶ λέγοντος" ε« Πρὸς σὲ πᾶσα σὰρξ ἥξει" » καὶ τοῦ προφήτου ᾿Ησαΐου θεσπίφονεος, ὅτι « "Ὄψεται πᾶσα σὰρξ τὸ σωτήριον ταῦ Θεοῦ ἡμῶν. » ᾿Αποδέδεικται σαφῶς, ὡς καὶ δίχα κατηγορίας ἁπάσης ἀπὸ τῆς σαρκὸς ἡ θεία Γραφὴ τὴν ἀνθρωπείαν ὀνομάζει φύσιν. ΟΡΘ. Ἐξ γὼ δέ σοι καὶ τὸ ἕτερον ἐπιδείξω. ΟΡΘ. "Ὅτι καὶ χατηγοροῦσά τινων ἡ θεία Γραφὴ, ἀπὸ τῆς ψυχῆς ὀνομάζει μόνης. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ ποῦ τοῦτο εὑρήσεις παρὰ. τῇ θείᾳ Γραφῇ; τοῦ προφήτου λέγοντος" « Ἐυχὴ ἡ ἁμαρτάνουσα, αὐτὴ ἀποθανεῖται. » Καὶ μέντοι καὶ διὰ Μωῦύσέως τοῦ μεγάλου φησί" ε« Ψυχὴ ἢ ὧν ἀμάρτῃ" ν καὶ πάλιν" «ε Καὶ ἔσται πᾶσα ψυχὶμ ἥτις οὐκ ἀκούσεται τοῦ υ προφήτου ἐκείνον, ἐξολοθρευθήσεται. » Καὶ ἄλλα δὲ πολλὰ τοιαῦτα ἔστιν εὑρεῖν. ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν ἔνθα φυσικὴ τίς ἔστιν ἕνωσις, καὶ κτιστῶν, καὶ ὁμοδούλων, καὶ ἁμοχρόνων συνάφεια, οὐκ ἀπὸ μόνης τῆς κρείττονος φύσεως τόδε τὸ ζῶον ὀνομάζειν ἔθο; τῇ θείᾳ Γραφῇ, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀπὸ τῆς ἥττονός τα καὶ μείζονος " πῶς ἡμῖν ἐγχαλεῖτε τὸν Δισπότην Χριστὸν μετὰ τοῦ Θεὸν ὁμολογεῖν, καὶ ἄνθρωπον ὀνομάζουσ', καὶ ταῦτα πολλῶν ἄγαν τοῦτο μάζειν τὸν Σωτῆρα Χριστόν; ΟΡΘ. Τὰ διάφορα καὶ παντάπασιν ἐναντία τῶν αἱρετικῶν δογμάτων. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ τίνα τίσιν ἐναντία δόγματα; ΟΡΘ. Τὸ ᾿Αρείου τῷ Σαδελλίον. Ὁ μὲν διαιρεῖ τὰς οὐσίας, ὁ δὲ τὰς ὑποστάσεις σνγχέει. Ὁ μὲν ἥλρειος τρεῖς οὐσίας εἰσφέρει" ὁ δὲ Σαδέλλιος μίαν ὑπόστασιν ἀντὶ τῶν τριῶν λέγει. Εἰκὲ τοίνυν, πῶς δεῖ νόσον ἑκατέραν ἰάσασθαι" ἐν ἀμφοτέροις προσενεγκεῖν τοῖς παθήμασι φάρμακον, ἢ ἑκατέρῳ τὸ ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Ἑκατέρῳ τὸ πρόσφορον. - ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν τὸν μὲν “Ἄρειον πειρασόμεθα μὲν πεῖσαι τῇ: ἁγίας Τριάδος τὴν οὐσίάν ὁμολογεῖν, καὶ τούτου τὰς ἀποδείξεις προσοίσομεν ἀπὸ τῆς θείας Γραφῆς. ΘΡΘ. Τῷ δέ γε Σαδελλίῳ διαλεγόμενοι, τοὐναντίον πράξομεν. Περὶ μὲν γὰρ τῆς οὐσίας οὐδένα προσεἰσομεν λόγον’ μίαν γὰρ κἀκεῖνος ἀμολογεῖ, ΟΡΘ. Τὸ δέ γε νοσοῦν τἧς δόξης ϑερλπεῦσαι σπου- ΟΡΘ. Ποίαν δὲ νοἀεῖν αὐτὸν εἰρήκαμεν νόσον;
ORTh. Dicha de katēgorias oudena prosēgoreuse, sarka? ORTh. ᾿Egō se. toigaroun anamnēsō kai didaxō, hōs tou? agan hagious sarkas prosēgoreusen. ᾿Apokrinai toinyn᾽ Tous apostolous ti an kalesę̄s? pneu- ERAN, Pneumatikous, kai tōn pneumatikōn choun toinyn tou thespesiou Paulou legontos " « Hote de. ēudokēsen ho aphorisas me ek koilias mētros mon, kai chaletas dia tēs charitos hautou, Ō apokalypsai ton Huion hautou en emoi, hena auton eumēn sarki kai haimati, oude anēlthon pros tous pro emou aposptolons. » Mē katēgorōn. tōn apostolōn houtō te autous prosēgoreusen » ORTh. ᾿All᾽ apo tēs horōmenēs physeōs onomazōn, kai synkrinōn tę̄ ouranothen klēsei tēn di᾽ anthrōpōn klę̄sin? adontos tǭ Theǭ, kai legontos" e« Pros se pasa sarx hēxei" » kai tou prophētou ᾿Ēsaïou thespiphoneos, hoti « "Opsetai pasa sarx to sōtērion tau Theou hēmōn. » ᾿Apodedeiktai saphōs, hōs kai dicha katēgorias hapasēs apo tēs sarkos hē theia Graphē tēn anthrōpeian onomazei physin. ORTh. Ex gō de soi kai to heteron epideixō. ORTh. "Hoti kai chatēgorousa tinōn hē theia Graphē, apo tēs psychēs onomazei monēs. ERAN. Kai pou touto heurēseis para. tę̄ theią Graphę̄? tou prophētou legontos" « Euchē hē hamartanousa, autē apothaneitai. » Kai mentoi kai dia Mōyyseōs tou megalou phēsi" e« Psychē ē hōn amartę̄" n kai palin" «e Kai estai pasa psychim hētis ouk akousetai tou y prophētou ekeinon, exolothreuthēsetai. » Kai alla de polla toiauta estin heurein. ORTh. Ei toinyn entha physikē tis estin henōsis, kai ktistōn, kai homodoulōn, kai hamochronōn synapheia, ouk apo monēs tēs kreittonos physeōs tode to zōon onomazein etho? tę̄ theią Graphę̄, alla kai apo tēs hēttonos ta kai meizonos " pōs hēmin enchaleite ton Dispotēn Christon meta tou Theon homologein, kai anthrōpon onomazous', kai tauta pollōn agan touto mazein ton Sōtēra Christon? ORTh. Ta diaphora kai pantapasin enantia tōn hairetikōn dogmatōn. ERAN. Kai tina tisin enantia dogmata? ORTh. To ᾿Areiou tǭ Sadellion. Ho men diairei tas ousias, ho de tas hypostaseis snncheei. Ho men hēlreios treis ousias eispherei" ho de Sadellios mian hypostasin anti tōn triōn legei. Eike toinyn, pōs dei noson hekateran iasasthai" en amphoterois prosenenkein tois pathēmasi pharmakon, ē hekaterǭ to ERAN. ᾿Hekaterǭ to prosphoron. - ORTh. Oukoun ton men “Areion peirasometha men peisai tę̄: hagias Triados tēn ousian homologein, kai toutou tas apodeixeis prosoisomen apo tēs theias Graphēs. ThRTh. Tǭ de ge Sadelliǭ dialegomenoi, tounantion praxomen. Peri men gar tēs ousias oudena proseisomen logon’ mian gar kakeinos amologei, ORTh. To de ge nosoun tēs doxēs ϑerlpeusai spou- ORTh. Poian de noaein auton eirēkamen noson?
Orthodoxos: And has it called no one flesh without an accusation? … Orthodoxos: Then I will remind you and teach you that it called even the very holy “flesh.” Answer, then: what would you call the apostles? Spiritual …? Eranistes: Spiritual, and [the first] of the spiritual. Orthodoxos: Hear, then, the inspired Paul saying, “But when he who set me apart from my mother's womb and called me through his grace was pleased to reveal his Son in me, that I might [preach] him …, [I did not confer] with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to the apostles before me.” He did not name them so as an accusation against the apostles … Orthodoxos: But naming them from the visible nature, and comparing the call through human beings with the call from heaven. [Hear also David] singing to God and saying, “To you all flesh will come”; and the prophet Isaiah prophesying that “all flesh will see the salvation of our God.” It has been clearly shown that even without any accusation the divine Scripture names the human nature from the flesh. … Orthodoxos: And I will show you the other point too. … Orthodoxos: That even when accusing some, the divine Scripture names them from the soul alone. Eranistes: And where will you find this in the divine Scripture? [Orthodoxos: Hear] the prophet saying, “The soul that sins, it shall die.” And indeed through Moses the great he says, “A soul, if it sins”; and again, “And every soul that will not listen to that prophet shall be utterly destroyed.” And many other such things can be found. Orthodoxos: If, then, where there is a natural union, a conjunction of things created, fellow servants, and of the same time, it is the custom of the divine Scripture to name this living creature not only from the better nature but also from the lesser as well as the greater, how can you blame us for naming the Master Christ human together with confessing him God, and that when many … [Eranistes: Why must one] name the Savior Christ [from both]? Orthodoxos: Because of the different and wholly opposed doctrines of the heretics. Eranistes: And which doctrines are opposed to which? Orthodoxos: That of Arius to that of Sabellius. The one divides the substances; the other confounds the hypostases. Arius introduces three substances; Sabellius speaks of one hypostasis instead of three. Tell me, then, how ought each disease to be healed? Should one apply the same remedy to both sufferings, or to each the one suited to it? Eranistes: To each the one suited to it. Orthodoxos: Then we will try to persuade Arius to confess the [one] substance of the holy Trinity, and we will bring the proofs of this from the divine Scripture. … Orthodoxos: But in debating with Sabellius we will do the opposite. For we will offer no argument about the substance, since he too confesses one. … Orthodoxos: But we will be eager to heal the diseased part of his opinion. … Orthodoxos: And what disease did we say that he suffers from?
Gal 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 1:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 1:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 65:2 (64:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 40:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 3:6 (quotation, medium confidence) · Ezek 18:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Lev 5:1 (quotation, medium confidence) · Acts 3:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Deut 18:19 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Orthodoxos shows that Scripture names human beings 'flesh' and 'soul' alike, so Christ may be named human as well as God; and, as Arius and Sabellius need opposite remedies, so do opposite errors about Christ.
- Many of Eranistes' replies have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged correction). Arius and Sabellius are named as opposite heresies (dividing the substance; confounding the hypostases); the descriptions are Theodoret's. Scripture: Gal 1:15–17; Ps 65:2 (LXX 64:3); Isa 40:5 (cf. Luke 3:6); Ezek 18:4; Lev 5:1; Deut 18:19 (as in Acts 3:23).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column and marginal references read into a word): ἂίΐχα. κᾳτοἰ 6 πὶ οἱ του ογοδίδγυ μη, ὕη84:6 [δηλ απ πη, οἱ ἰοῃϑοτὶθυ 6556 δ (ρη. Υἱ, ὅ. 15 Ολίαι, κι, → δίχα κατ.
Topics: Christology, Trinity, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.3 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-3
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
2.4PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Περὶ τὰς ὑποστάσεις φαμὲν αὐτὸν χω- ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν ἐπευδὴ μίαν ἐκεῖνος εἶναι λέγει τῆς. Τριάδος ὑπόστασιν, ἐκιδείξομεν αὐτῷ τὴν θείαν ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῦτο μὲν οὐξω πρακτέον " τὸν δὲ προχεΐ- ΟΡΘ. Οὐδαμῶς. Αὐτοῦ γὰρ πέρι τὰς ἀποδείξεις συλλέγομεν, καὶ τοῦτο παραυτίκα μαθήτῃ. Εἰπὲ οὖν μοι, πάσας τὰς αἱρέσεις, τὰς ἀπὸ Χριστοῦ καλουμένᾶς, ὁμολογεῖν ὑπείληφας καὶ τὴν. θεότητα τὸν Χριστοῦ, καὶ τὴν ἀνθρωπότητα; ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλὰ τινὰς μὲν τὴν θεότητα μόνην, τινὰς δὲ μόνην τὴν ἀνθρωπότητα; ΟΡΘ. “!Αλλας δέ γε μέρος τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος; ἘΡΑΝ, Οὕτως οἶμαι. Προσήκει δὲ ἡμῖν ([ δηλῶσαι, πῶς μὲν οἱ ταῦτα ρρονοῦντες, πῶς δὲ οἱ ἐκεῖνα, προσαγορενονται, ἵνα σαφέστερον τὸ ζητούμενον γέται. Σίμων, καὶ Μένανδρος, καὶ Μαρκίων, καὶ Βαλεντῖνός, καὶ Βααιλείδης, καὶ Βαρδησάνης, καὶ Κέρδων, καὶ Μάνης, ἡρνήθησαν ἄντικρυς τὴν ἀνθρωπότητα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. ᾿Αρτέμων δὲ, καὶ Θεόδοτος, καὶ Σαδέλλιος, καὶ Παῦλος ὁ Σαμοπατεὺς, καὶ Μάρκελλος, καὶ Φωτεινὸς, εἰς τὴν ἐναντίαν ἐκ διαμέτρου βλασφημίαν κατέπεσον. Ἄνθρωπον γὰρ μόνον κηρύττουσι τὸν Χριστὸν, τὴν δὲ πρὸ τῶν αἰώνων ὑπάρχουσαν ἀρνοῦνται θεότητα. Ἄρειος δὲ καὶ Εὐνόμιος, κτιστὴν καλοῦσι τοῦ Μονογενοῦς τὴν θεότητα, σῶμα δὲ μόνον αὐτὸν ἀνειληφέναι φασίν. ᾿Απολινάριος δὲ ἔμψυχον μὲν ὁμολογεῖ τὸ ληφθὲν σῶμα, τὴν δὲ λογικὴν ψυχὴν καὶ τῆς τιμῆς καὶ τῆς σωτηρίας ἐν τοῖς οἰκείοις λόγοις ἀποστερεῖ. Αὕτη μὲν οὖν ἡ τῶν διεφθαρμένων δογμάτων διαφορά. Αὐτὸς δὲ ἡμῖν φιλαλήθως εἰπὲ, χρή τινα πρὸς τούτους ποιεῖσθαι διάλεξιν, ἣ δεῖ κατὰ κρημνῶν φε- ΕΡΑΝ. Μισανθρωπίας ἔργον ἧ τῶν καμνόντων ὑπεροψία. ΟΡΘ. Προσήκει τοίνυν καὶ συναλγεῖν, καὶ θερα- ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν σώματα θεραπεύειν ἧπίστασο, πολλοὶ δὲ γε περιστάντες θεραπεύειν ἣἢξίουν, διάφορα ἐπιδεικνύντες παθήματα, οἷον ὀφθαλμῶν ἐπιῤῥοίας, καὶ ἀκοῶν τραύματα, καὶ ὀδόντων ὀδύνας, καὶ οἱ μὲν νεύρων τάσιν, οἱ δὲ λύσιν, καὶ ὁ μὲν πλημμύραν χολῆς, ὁ δὲ φλέγματος, τί ἂν ἔδρασδας, εἰπέ μοι; ἕν ἅπασι χατεσχεύαζες φάρμακον, ἥ ἑκάστῳ πάθει τὸ πρόσφορον; ΕΡΑΝ. Τὸ ἐκάστω δηλονότι κατάλληλόν τι καὶ ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν τὰ μὲν θερμὰ τῶν παθῶν χαταψύχων, τὰ δὲ ψυχρὰ διαθερμαίνων, καὶ τὰ μὲν τεταμένα χαλῶν, τὰ δέ γε λελυμένα τονωτιχοῖς χοις ῥωννὺς, καὶ τὰ μὲν νων δὲ τὰ ξηρὰ, ἐξήλαυνες μὲν τὰς νόσους, ἐπανήγες δὲ τὴν ὑγείαν ὑπὸ τούτων ἐχδεδλημένην; ΕΡΑΝ. Οὕτω θεραπεύειν ὁ τῆς ἰατριχῦς λεύεται νόμος " τὰ ἐναντία γὰρ, φασὶ, τῶν ἐναντίων ΟΡΘ. Εἰ δὲ φυτουργὸς ἦσθα, πᾶσιν αὐτοῖς φυτοῖς τὴν αὐτὴν προσήνεγχας ἐπιμέλειαν, ἢ τῇ μὲν ῥοιᾷ τὴν προσήκουσαν, τῇ δὲ συκῇ τὴν οἰκείαν, καὶ τῇ ὄχνῃ ὡσαύτως. καὶ τῇ μηλέᾳ, καὶ ταῖς ἡμερίσι τὰς καταλλήλους " καὶ ἀἁπαξαπλῶς ἑκάστῳ γε φυτῷ τὸ ᾿ πρόσφορον:
ERAN. Peri tas hypostaseis phamen auton chō- ORTh. Oukoun epeudē mian ekeinos einai legei tēs. Triados hypostasin, ekideixomen autǭ tēn theian ERAN. Touto men ouxō prakteon " ton de procheï- ORTh. Oudamōs. Autou gar peri tas apodeixeis syllegomen, kai touto parautika mathētę̄. Eipe oun moi, pasas tas haireseis, tas apo Christou kaloumenas, homologein hypeilēphas kai tēn. theotēta ton Christou, kai tēn anthrōpotēta? ORTh. ᾿Alla tinas men tēn theotēta monēn, tinas de monēn tēn anthrōpotēta? ORTh. “!Allas de ge meros tēs anthrōpotētos? ERAN, Houtōs oimai. Prosēkei de hēmin ([ dēlōsai, pōs men hoi tauta rronountes, pōs de hoi ekeina, prosagorenontai, hina saphesteron to zētoumenon getai. Simōn, kai Menandros, kai Markiōn, kai Balentinos, kai Baaileidēs, kai Bardēsanēs, kai Kerdōn, kai Manēs, hērnēthēsan antikrys tēn anthrōpotēta tou Christou. ᾿Artemōn de, kai Theodotos, kai Sadellios, kai Paulos ho Samopateus, kai Markellos, kai Phōteinos, eis tēn enantian ek diametrou blasphēmian katepeson. Anthrōpon gar monon kēryttousi ton Christon, tēn de pro tōn aiōnōn hyparchousan arnountai theotēta. Areios de kai Eunomios, ktistēn kalousi tou Monogenous tēn theotēta, sōma de monon auton aneilēphenai phasin. ᾿Apolinarios de empsychon men homologei to lēphthen sōma, tēn de logikēn psychēn kai tēs timēs kai tēs sōtērias en tois oikeiois logois aposterei. Hautē men oun hē tōn diephtharmenōn dogmatōn diaphora. Autos de hēmin philalēthōs eipe, chrē tina pros toutous poieisthai dialexin, hē dei kata krēmnōn phe- ERAN. Misanthrōpias ergon hē tōn kamnontōn hyperopsia. ORTh. Prosēkei toinyn kai synalgein, kai thera- ORTh. Ei toinyn sōmata therapeuein hēpistaso, polloi de ge peristantes therapeuein hēēxioun, diaphora epideiknyntes pathēmata, hoion ophthalmōn epirrhoias, kai akoōn traumata, kai odontōn odynas, kai hoi men neurōn tasin, hoi de lysin, kai ho men plēmmyran cholēs, ho de phlegmatos, ti an edrasdas, eipe moi? hen hapasi chatescheuazes pharmakon, hē hekastǭ pathei to prosphoron? ERAN. To ekastō dēlonoti katallēlon ti kai ORTh. Oukoun ta men therma tōn pathōn chatapsychōn, ta de psychra diathermainōn, kai ta men tetamena chalōn, ta de ge lelymena tonōtichois chois rhōnnys, kai ta men nōn de ta xēra, exēlaunes men tas nosous, epanēges de tēn hygeian hypo toutōn echdedlēmenēn? ERAN. Houtō therapeuein ho tēs iatrichys leuetai nomos " ta enantia gar, phasi, tōn enantiōn ORTh. Ei de phytourgos ēstha, pasin autois phytois tēn autēn prosēnenchas epimeleian, ē tę̄ men rhoią tēn prosēkousan, tę̄ de sykę̄ tēn oikeian, kai tę̄ ochnę̄ hōsautōs. kai tę̄ mēleą, kai tais hēmerisi tas katallēlous " kai haapaxaplōs hekastǭ ge phytǭ to ᾿ prosphoron:
Eranistes: We say that he [goes lame] in regard to the hypostases … Orthodoxos: Then, since he says that the Trinity is one hypostasis, we will show him the divine [Scripture] … Eranistes: This must be done so; but [let us return to] the matter in hand … Orthodoxos: By no means [have we left it]. For it is about this very thing that we are collecting the proofs, and you will learn this shortly. Tell me, then: do you suppose that all the heresies called after Christ confess both the Godhead of Christ and the humanity? … Orthodoxos: But some confess the Godhead only, and others the humanity only? … Orthodoxos: And others a part of the humanity? Eranistes: So I think. [Orthodoxos:] But it is fitting for us to make clear how those who hold the one view and those who hold the other are named, so that the question may become clearer. Simon, and Menander, and Marcion, and Valentinus, and Basilides, and Bardaisan, and Cerdo, and Mani openly denied the humanity of Christ. But Artemon, and Theodotus, and Sabellius, and Paul of Samosata, and Marcellus, and Photinus fell into the diametrically opposite blasphemy. For they proclaim Christ a mere human being and deny the Godhead that exists before the ages. Arius and Eunomius call the Godhead of the Only-begotten created, and say that he assumed a body only. Apollinarius confesses that the body assumed was ensouled, but in his own discourses deprives the rational soul of both honor and salvation. This, then, is the difference among the corrupt doctrines. But tell us yourself truthfully: should one hold a discussion with these, or must one [push them] over the cliffs? Eranistes: Contempt for the sick is the work of misanthropy. Orthodoxos: It is fitting, then, both to suffer with them and to [heal them]. … Orthodoxos: If, then, you knew how to heal bodies, and many stood around asking to be healed and showing different sufferings, such as discharges from the eyes, injuries of the ears, toothaches, in some a tension of the sinews and in others a slackening, in one a flood of bile and in another of phlegm, what would you do, tell me? Would you prepare one remedy for all, or for each suffering the one suited to it? Eranistes: Clearly what is appropriate to each and … Orthodoxos: Then by cooling the hot ailments and warming the cold, relaxing what is tense and strengthening what is slack with tonics, and [moistening] what is dry, you would drive out the diseases and bring back the health they had driven out? Eranistes: So the law of medicine bids one heal; for opposites, they say, [are cured] by opposites. Orthodoxos: And if you were a gardener, would you give all the plants the same care, or to the pomegranate the care proper to it, to the fig its own, and likewise to the pear, the apple, and the cultivated vines the care appropriate to them; in a word, to each plant what suits it?
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Summary: Orthodoxos lists the heresies that deny Christ's humanity, his Godhead, or part of his humanity, and argues by analogy with medicine and gardening that each error needs its own remedy.
- The catalogue of heretics (Simon, Menander, Marcion, Valentinus, Basilides, Bardaisan, Cerdo, Mani; Artemon, Theodotus, Sabellius, Paul of Samosata, Marcellus, Photinus; Arius, Eunomius; Apollinarius) and the description of their views are Theodoret's, translated as written. Several of Eranistes' replies have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections).
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Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.4 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-4
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
2.5PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς ἕχαστον φυτὸν τῆς οἰκείας ἐπιἐθεάσω δὲ τὴν ἱστοδόχην νεουργίας δεομένην, τὴν τοῖς αὑτῇ, ἢ τὴν τῇ ἱστοδόκῃ προσήκουσαν:; ᾿ γὰρ τὴν οἰκείαν θεραπείαν ἐπιζητεῖ, καὶ φυτὸν, καὶ σώματος μόριον, καὶ σχεύη, καὶ μέρη νηός. ΟΡΘ. Πῶς οὖν οὐ σχέτλιον, σώματι μὲν καὶ τοῖς ἀψύχοις χαταλλήάλους θεραπείας προσφέρειν, ἐπὶ δὲ τῶν ψυχῶν τὸν θεραπευτικὸν τούτων μὴ Ὁ ΕΡΑΝ. Λίαν ἐστὶν ἀδικώτατον, καὶ οὐ μόνον ἀδικίας, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀνοίας μεστὸν, Οἱ γὰρ ἄλλως ποιοῦντες, αὐτῆς εἰσι τῆς θεραπείας ἀνεπιστήμονες. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν πρὸς αἵρεσιν ἐκάστην διαλεγόμενοι. ταύτῃ πρόσφορον προσοίσομεν φάρυαχον; ΟΡΘ. Πρόσφορος δὲ θεραπεία, τὸ προστιθέναι μὲν τὸ ἐλλεῖπον, ἀφαιρεῖν δὲ τὸ πλεονάζον; ΟΡΘ. Φωτεινὸν τοίνυν, καὶ Μάρκελλον, καὶ τοὺς ἐχείνων ἀγχιθύρους θεραπεύειν πειρώμενοι, τέ ἂν προσθέντες τὸν θεραπευτικὸν κανόνα πληρώσαιμεν; ΕΡΑΝ. Τῆς τοῦ Χριστοῦ θεότητος τὴν ὁμολογίαν " αὕτη γὰρ αὐτοῖς ἐλλείπει. ΟΡΘ. Περὶ δέ γε τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος οὐδὲν πρὸς αὑτοὺ:; ἐροῦμεν. Ὁμολογοῦσι γὰρ ἄνθρωπον τὸν Δεσπότην Χριστόν. δ ο νεγενοῦς ἐνανθρωπήσεως διαλεγόμενοι, τί ἂν προσθεῖναι πείσαιμεν αὐτοὺς τῇ σφετέρᾳ ὁμολογίᾳ; ΕΡΑΝ. Τῆς ψυχῆς τὴν ἀνάληψιν" σῶμα γὰρ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον μόνον ἀνειληφέναι φασίν. ἀχριδοῦν τὸν περὶ τῇς ἐνανθρωπήσεως λόγον; ΕΡΑΝ. Ῥὸ μὴ διιστάναι τὸν νοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς Ψυχῆς, ἀλλ᾽ ὁμολογεῖν τὴν λογικὴν ψυχὴν μετὰ τοῦ σώματος ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τούτῳ περὶ τούτου διαλεξόμεθα; καὶ ὅσοι γειτονεύουσι τούτοις, τέ μὲν ἔφαμεν ὁμολογεῖν κατὰ τόδε τὸ μέρος, τί δὲ πάμπαν ἀρνεῖσθαι; ΕΡΑΝ. Ὅτι πιστεύειν μὲν ἔφασαν εἰς τὴν θεότητα «οὐ Χριστοῦ" τὸν δὲ περὶ τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος οὐ προσίενται λόγον, στέρξαι καὶ τὸν περὶ τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος λόγον, καὶ μὴ φαντασίαν τὴν θείαν οἰκονομίαν καλεῖν. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐτὼ προσήκει ποιεῖν. ΟΡΘ. Ἐροῦμεν τοίνυν αὐτοῖς, ὡς οὐ χρῇ μόνον Θεὸν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἄνθρωπον ἀποκαλεῖν τὸν Χριστόν. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ πῶς οἷόν τε παραιτουμένους ἡμᾶς τὸ καὶ ἄνθῤῥωπον ἀποκαλεῖν τὸν Χριστὸν, ἄλλοις τοῦτο ΕΡΑΝ, Καὶ πῶς ἡμεῖς τὰ αὐτὰ φρονοῦμεν ἐχε!:γοις, καὶ σάρκα ὁμολογοῦντες καὶ Ψυχὴν λογωὰν ἀνειληφέναι τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον; ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοῖνυν τὰ πράγματα ὁμολογοῦμεν, τι δήποτε φεύγομεν τὰ ὀνόματα; ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Απὸ τῶν τιμιωτέρων χρὴ τὸν Χριστὸν καλεῖν. ΟΡΘ. Φύλαξον τοιγαρουν τὸν κανόνα, καὶ μὴ καλέσῃς ἐσταυρωμένον, μηδὲ ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐγηγερμένον, καὶ ὅσα τούτοις ἐστὶ παραπλήσια. ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Αλλὰ ταυτὰα τῶν παθημάτων ἐστὶ τῶν συτηρίων ὀνόματα " ἡ δὲ τῶν παθημάτων ἄρνησις, «ἧς σωτηρίας ἀναίρεσις. ΘΡΘ. Τὸδὲ ἄνθρωπος ὄνομα φύσεως ὄνομά ἐστιν" ἡ δὲ τούτου σιῳπὴ, φύσεως ἄρνησις " ἡ δὲ τῆς φύσεως ἄρνησις, τῶν παθημάτων ἀναίρεσις " ἡ δέ γε τούτων ἀναίρεσις φροῦδον τὴν σωτηρίαν ποιεῖ,
ERAN. Dēlon hōs hechaston phyton tēs oikeias epietheasō de tēn histodochēn neourgias deomenēn, tēn tois hautę̄, ē tēn tę̄ histodokę̄ prosēkousan:? ᾿ gar tēn oikeian therapeian epizētei, kai phyton, kai sōmatos morion, kai scheuē, kai merē nēos. ORTh. Pōs oun ou schetlion, sōmati men kai tois apsychois chatallēalous therapeias prospherein, epi de tōn psychōn ton therapeutikon toutōn mē Ho ERAN. Lian estin adikōtaton, kai ou monon adikias, alla kai anoias meston, Hoi gar allōs poiountes, autēs eisi tēs therapeias anepistēmones. ORTh. Oukoun pros hairesin ekastēn dialegomenoi. tautę̄ prosphoron prosoisomen pharyachon? ORTh. Prosphoros de therapeia, to prostithenai men to elleipon, aphairein de to pleonazon? ORTh. Phōteinon toinyn, kai Markellon, kai tous echeinōn anchithyrous therapeuein peirōmenoi, te an prosthentes ton therapeutikon kanona plērōsaimen? ERAN. Tēs tou Christou theotētos tēn homologian " hautē gar autois elleipei. ORTh. Peri de ge tēs anthrōpotētos ouden pros hautou:? eroumen. Homologousi gar anthrōpon ton Despotēn Christon. d o negenous enanthrōpēseōs dialegomenoi, ti an prostheinai peisaimen autous tę̄ spheterą homologią? ERAN. Tēs psychēs tēn analēpsin" sōma gar ton Theon Logon monon aneilēphenai phasin. achridoun ton peri tę̄s enanthrōpēseōs logon? ERAN. Rho mē diistanai ton noun apo tēs Psychēs, all᾽ homologein tēn logikēn psychēn meta tou sōmatos ORTh. Oukoun kai toutǭ peri toutou dialexometha? kai hosoi geitoneuousi toutois, te men ephamen homologein kata tode to meros, ti de pampan arneisthai? ERAN. Hoti pisteuein men ephasan eis tēn theotēta «ou Christou" ton de peri tēs anthrōpotētos ou prosientai logon, sterxai kai ton peri tēs anthrōpotētos logon, kai mē phantasian tēn theian oikonomian kalein. ERAN. Outō prosēkei poiein. ORTh. Eroumen toinyn autois, hōs ou chrę̄ monon Theon, alla kai anthrōpon apokalein ton Christon. ORTh. Kai pōs hoion te paraitoumenous hēmas to kai anthrrhōpon apokalein ton Christon, allois touto ERAN, Kai pōs hēmeis ta auta phronoumen eche!:gois, kai sarka homologountes kai Psychēn logōan aneilēphenai ton Theon Logon? ORTh. Ei toinyn ta pragmata homologoumen, ti dēpote pheugomen ta onomata? ERAN. ᾿Apo tōn timiōterōn chrē ton Christon kalein. ORTh. Phylaxon toigaroun ton kanona, kai mē kalesę̄s estaurōmenon, mēde ek nekrōn egēgermenon, kai hosa toutois esti paraplēsia. ERAN. ᾿Alla tautaa tōn pathēmatōn esti tōn sytēriōn onomata " hē de tōn pathēmatōn arnēsis, «hēs sōtērias anairesis. ThRTh. Tode anthrōpos onoma physeōs onoma estin" hē de toutou siǭpē, physeōs arnēsis " hē de tēs physeōs arnēsis, tōn pathēmatōn anairesis " hē de ge toutōn anairesis phroudon tēn sōtērian poiei,
Eranistes: Clearly each plant [needs] its own care … you saw the mast-step needing repair, [would you give it the care suited to some other part], or that which suits the mast-step? [Eranistes:] For each thing seeks its own care: a plant, a part of the body, utensils, and the parts of a ship. Orthodoxos: How, then, is it not wretched to apply suitable treatments to the body and to inanimate things, but in the case of souls not [to keep] the rule of healing that governs these? Eranistes: It is most unjust, and full not only of injustice but also of folly. For those who act otherwise are ignorant of the very art of healing. Orthodoxos: Then, in debating with each heresy, shall we apply the remedy suited to it? … Orthodoxos: And a suitable treatment is to add what is lacking and remove what is excessive? … Orthodoxos: When, then, we try to heal Photinus and Marcellus and their neighbors, what shall we add to fulfill the rule of healing? Eranistes: The confession of the Godhead of Christ; for this is what is lacking in them. Orthodoxos: But we will say nothing to them about the humanity, for they confess that the Master Christ is human. … debating about the incarnation, what would we persuade them to add to their own confession? Eranistes: The assumption of the soul; for they say that God the Word assumed a body only. … make exact the account of the incarnation? Eranistes: Not to separate the mind from the soul, but to confess that the rational soul [was assumed] with the body. Orthodoxos: Then shall we discuss this with him too? … and all who are neighbors to these: what did we say they confess in this respect, and what do they deny altogether? Eranistes: That they said they believe in the Godhead of Christ, but do not admit the account of the humanity. … accept the account of the humanity too, and not call the divine dispensation an appearance. Eranistes: So one should do. Orthodoxos: We will tell them, then, that one must call Christ not only God but also human. … Orthodoxos: And how is it possible, when we ourselves decline to call Christ human as well, [to urge] this on others? Eranistes: And how do we hold the same views as they, when we confess that God the Word assumed both flesh and a rational soul? Orthodoxos: If, then, we confess the realities, why do we flee the names? Eranistes: One must call Christ by the more honorable [names]. Orthodoxos: Keep the rule, then, and do not call him crucified, nor raised from the dead, nor anything like these. Eranistes: But these are the names of the saving sufferings; and the denial of the sufferings is the destruction of salvation. Orthodoxos: And the name “human being” is the name of a nature; and silence about it is the denial of the nature; and the denial of the nature is the destruction of the sufferings; and the destruction of these makes salvation vanish.
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Summary: Orthodoxos applies the rule of healing to each heresy, and argues that if they confess the realities (flesh and rational soul) they must not shun the name 'human', for denying the nature destroys the sufferings and with them salvation.
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Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.5 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-5
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).
2.6PG 83
ΕΡΑΝ. Τὸ μὲν εἰδέναι τὴν ληφθεῖσαν φύσιν προῦργον τίθεμαι" τὸ δέ γε ἄνθρῳπον ἀποκαλεῖν τῆς του τὴν δόξαν. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν σοφωτερον σεαυτὸν καὶ Πέτρου καὶ Παύλου, καὶ αὐτοῦ γε Συτῆρος ἡγῇ; Ὃ μὲν γὰρ Κύριος πρὸς Ἰουδαίους ἔφη" « Τί με ζητεῖτε ἀποκτεῖναι, ἄνθρωπον ὃς τὴν ἀλήθειαν ὑμῖν λελάληκα, ἣν ἤκουσα παρὰ τοῦ Πατρός μου; » Καὶ πολλαχοῦ δὲ Υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου ἑαυτὸν Ὁ δὲ πανεύφημος Πέτρος πρὰς τὸν Ἰουδαϊκὸν διαλεγόμενος δῆμον᾽ « Ανδρες Ἰσραηλῖτα;ι, ἀκούσατε τοὺς λόγους τούτους " Ἰησοῦν τὸν Ναζῳραΐον, ἄνδρα ἀπὸ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἀποδεδειγμένον εἰς ὑμᾶς. ν» Καὶ ὁ μακάριος Παῦλος, τοῦ ᾿Αρβιουπάγονυ τοῖς προεστῶσι προσφέρων τὸ σωτήριον κήρυγμα, πρὸς πολλοῖς ἅλλοις καὶ ταῦτα ἔφη" « Τοὺς μὲν οὖν χρόνους τῆς ἀγνοίας ὑπεριδὼν ὁ Θεὸς, τὰ νῦν παραγγέλλει πᾶσι πανταχοῦ μετανοεῖν " καθότι ἔστησεν ἡμέραν, ἐν ἧ μέλλει κρίνειν τὴν οἰκουμένην ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ, ἐν ἀνδρὶ ᾧ ὥρισε, πίστιν παρασχὼν πᾶσιν, ἀναστήσας αὐτὸν ἐκ νεκρῶν. ) Ὁ τοίγυν τὸ παρὰ τοῦ Κυρίου καὶ τῶν ἀποστόλων τεθέν τε καὶ χηρυχθὲν παραιτούμενος, σοφώτερον ἑαυτὸν καὶ τῶν μεγάλων διδασκάλων ὑπείληφε, καὶ μέντοι καὶ αὐτῆς τῆς τῶν ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῖς ἀπίστοις ἐκεῖνοι τήνδε τὴν διδασκαλίαν προσήνεγκαν " γῦν δὲ τῆς οἰκουμένης τὸ πλεῖστον ἐπίστευσεν,; ΟΡΘ. Μάλιστα μέν εἶσιν ἔτι καὶ Ἰουδαῖοι, καὶ Ἕλληνες, καὶ αἱρετιχῶν μυρία συστήματα, καὶ χρὴ τούτων ἑκάστῳ κατάλλῃλον διδασκαλίαν προσφέρειν. Εἰ δὲ καὶ πάντες ἥμεν ὁμόφρονες, εἰπὲ, τί λωδᾶται τὸ Θεὸν καὶ ἄνθρωπον ὁμολογεῖν τὸν Χριστόν; Ἢ οὗ θεότητα τελείαν ἐν αὐτῷ καὶ ἀνθρωπότητα ὡσαύ- ἘΡΑΝ, Ταῦτα πολλάκις ὡμολογήσαμεν. Τί δήποτε τοίνυν ἀναιροῦμεν ἅπερ πολλάκις ὡμολογήσαμεν; ΕΡΑΝ. Τὸ ἄνθρωπον καλεῖν τὸν Χριστὸν ὑπ. εἴληφα περιττὸν, μάλιατᾳ πιστόν τινα πιστῷ προσδιαλεγόμενον. ΟΡΘ. Τὸν θεῖον ᾿Απόστολον πιστὸν εἶναι νομίξεις; ΕΡΑΝ. Πιστῶν μενοῦν ἀπάντων διδάσκαλον. ΟΡΘ. Τὸν δὲ Τιμόθεον τῆσδε τῆφ ὑπείληφας ἄξιον’ ἘΡΑΝ. Ὡς ἐχείνου γε μαθητὴν, καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ΟΡΘ. "Ακουσον τοίνυν τοῦ διδασκάλου τῶν σχάλων τῷ τελειοτάτῳ γράφοντος μαθητῇ" « Εἴς Θεὸς, εἷς καὶ μεσίτης θεοῦ καὶ ἀνθρώπων, ἄνθρωπος Χριστὰς Ἰησοῦς, ὁ δοὺς αὑτὸν λύτρον ἀντὶ πάντων» καὶ παῦσαι μάτην ἀδολεσχῶν, καὶ νόμους ἡμῖν περὶ θείων ὀνομάτων τιθείς. Καὶ αὐτὸ δέ γε τοῦ μεσίτου τὸ ὄνομα θεότητος ἐνταῦθα καὶ ἀνθρωπότητος ὑπάρχει δηλωτικόν. Οὐ γὰρ μόνον ὑπάρχων θεὸς ἐκλήθη μεσίτης πῶς γὰρ ἂν ἐμεσίτευσεν ἡμῖν καὶ Θεῷ μηδὲν ἔχων ἡμέτερον; Ἐπεὶ δὲ ὡς Θεὸς συνἧπται τῷ Πατρὶ τὴν αὐτὴν ἔχων οὐσίαν, ὡς δὲ ἄνθρωπος ἡμῖν, ἐξ ἡμῶν γὰρ ἔλαθε τὴν τοῦ δούλου μορφὴν, εἰκότως μεσίτης ὠνόμασται, συνάπτων ἐν ἑαυτῷ τὰ διεστῶτα τῇ ἑνώσει τῶν φύσεων, θεότητος λέγω καὶ ἀνθρωπότητος.
ERAN. To men eidenai tēn lēphtheisan physin prourgon tithemai" to de ge anthrǭpon apokalein tēs tou tēn doxan. ORTh. Oukoun sophōteron seauton kai Petrou kai Paulou, kai autou ge Sytēros hēgę̄? Ho men gar Kyrios pros Ioudaious ephē" « Ti me zēteite apokteinai, anthrōpon hos tēn alētheian hymin lelalēka, hēn ēkousa para tou Patros mou? » Kai pollachou de Huion anthrōpou heauton Ho de paneuphēmos Petros pras ton Ioudaïkon dialegomenos dēmon᾽ « Andres Israēlita?i, akousate tous logous toutous " Iēsoun ton Nazǭraïon, andra apo tou Theou apodedeigmenon eis hymas. n» Kai ho makarios Paulos, tou ᾿Arbioupagony tois proestōsi prospherōn to sōtērion kērygma, pros pollois hallois kai tauta ephē" « Tous men oun chronous tēs agnoias hyperidōn ho Theos, ta nyn parangellei pasi pantachou metanoein " kathoti estēsen hēmeran, en hē mellei krinein tēn oikoumenēn en dikaiosynę̄, en andri hǭ hōrise, pistin paraschōn pasin, anastēsas auton ek nekrōn. ) Ho toigyn to para tou Kyriou kai tōn apostolōn tethen te kai chērychthen paraitoumenos, sophōteron heauton kai tōn megalōn didaskalōn hypeilēphe, kai mentoi kai autēs tēs tōn ERAN. Tois apistois ekeinoi tēnde tēn didaskalian prosēnenkan " gyn de tēs oikoumenēs to pleiston episteusen,? ORTh. Malista men eisin eti kai Ioudaioi, kai Hellēnes, kai hairetichōn myria systēmata, kai chrē toutōn hekastǭ katallę̄lon didaskalian prospherein. Ei de kai pantes hēmen homophrones, eipe, ti lōdatai to Theon kai anthrōpon homologein ton Christon? Ē hou theotēta teleian en autǭ kai anthrōpotēta hōsau- ERAN, Tauta pollakis hōmologēsamen. Ti dēpote toinyn anairoumen haper pollakis hōmologēsamen? ERAN. To anthrōpon kalein ton Christon hyp. eilēpha peritton, maliatą piston tina pistǭ prosdialegomenon. ORTh. Ton theion ᾿Apostolon piston einai nomixeis? ERAN. Pistōn menoun apantōn didaskalon. ORTh. Ton de Timotheon tēsde tēph hypeilēphas axion’ ERAN. Hōs echeinou ge mathētēn, kai tōn allōn ORTh. "Akouson toinyn tou didaskalou tōn schalōn tǭ teleiotatǭ graphontos mathētę̄" « Eis Theos, heis kai mesitēs theou kai anthrōpōn, anthrōpos Christas Iēsous, ho dous hauton lytron anti pantōn» kai pausai matēn adoleschōn, kai nomous hēmin peri theiōn onomatōn titheis. Kai auto de ge tou mesitou to onoma theotētos entautha kai anthrōpotētos hyparchei dēlōtikon. Ou gar monon hyparchōn theos eklēthē mesitēs pōs gar an emesiteusen hēmin kai Theǭ mēden echōn hēmeteron? Epei de hōs Theos synēptai tǭ Patri tēn autēn echōn ousian, hōs de anthrōpos hēmin, ex hēmōn gar elathe tēn tou doulou morphēn, eikotōs mesitēs ōnomastai, synaptōn en heautǭ ta diestōta tę̄ henōsei tōn physeōn, theotētos legō kai anthrōpotētos.
Eranistes: To know the nature that was assumed I consider useful; but to call him human [diminishes] his glory. Orthodoxos: Then do you consider yourself wiser than Peter and Paul, and than the Savior himself? For the Lord said to the Jews, “Why do you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from my Father?” And in many places he calls himself Son of Man. And the all-praised Peter, addressing the Jewish people: “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God.” And blessed Paul, offering the saving proclamation to the leaders of the Areopagus, said this too, among many other things: “The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has set a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, having given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” He, then, who rejects what was set down and proclaimed by the Lord and the apostles has supposed himself wiser than the great teachers, and indeed than the very … Eranistes: They offered this teaching to unbelievers; but now most of the world has believed. Orthodoxos: In the first place, there are still Jews and Greeks and countless bands of heretics, and one must offer each of these a fitting teaching. But even if we were all of one mind, tell me, what harm is there in confessing Christ God and human? Or [do we not confess] perfect Godhead in him and perfect humanity likewise? Eranistes: We have often confessed these. Orthodoxos: Why, then, do we do away with what we have often confessed? Eranistes: I have supposed it superfluous to call Christ human, especially when a believer is talking with a believer. Orthodoxos: Do you consider the divine Apostle a believer? Eranistes: Rather, the teacher of all believers. Orthodoxos: And do you think Timothy worthy of this [name]? Eranistes: As his disciple, at least, and … Orthodoxos: Hear, then, the teacher of teachers writing to his most perfect disciple: “One God, one also mediator of God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all”; and stop chattering in vain and laying down laws for us about divine names. And here the very name “mediator” indicates Godhead and humanity. For if he were God only, he would not have been called mediator; for how could he have mediated between us and God, having nothing of ours? But since as God he is joined to the Father, having the same substance, and as human he is joined to us (for he took the form of the servant from us), he has fittingly been named mediator, joining in himself things that stood apart, by the union of the natures, I mean of Godhead and humanity.
John 8:40 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 17:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 17:31 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Against Eranistes' reluctance to call Christ human, Orthodoxos cites Christ himself, Peter and Paul, and 1 Tim 2:5, where the name 'mediator' shows both Godhead and humanity joined by the union of the natures.
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Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.6 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-6
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).