Eranistes (The Beggar), or Polymorphus 2.7–2.15

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ΕΡΑΝ. Μωῦσῆς οὖν οὐκ ὠνομάσθη μεσίτης, ἄνθρωπος ὧν μόνον : ΟΡΘ. Τύπος ἣν ἐκεῖνος τῆς ἀληθείας“ ὁ δὲ τύπος οὐκ ἔχει πάντα ὅσα περ ἡ ἀλήθεια. Οὗ δὴ χάριν ἐκεῖνος οὐκ ἦν μὲν φύσει Θεὸς, ὠνομάσθη δὲ ὅμως θεὸς, ἵνα πληρώσῃ τὸν τύπον. « Ἰδοὺ γὰρ, φησὶ, τέθεικά σε θεὸν τῷ Φαραῷ»"» αὐτίκα τοίνυν ὡς Θεῷ καὶ προφήτην ἀφώρισεν. ε ᾿Ααρὼν γὰρ, φησὶν, ὁ ἀδελφός σου, ἔσται σοι προφήτης. » ἩἮ δὲ ἀλήθεια, καὶ Θεὸς φύσει, καὶ ἄθρωπος φύσει. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ τίς ἂν κχαλέσαι τύπον τὸν οὐκ ἐναργεῖς ἔχοντα τοῦ ἀρχετύπου τοὺς χαρακτῆρας; ΟΡΘ. Ὡς ἔοικε, τὰς βασιλικὰς εἰκόνας οὗ καλεῖς βασιλέως εἰκόνας; ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν οὐ πάντα ἔχουσιν, ὅσα περ τὸ ἀρχέτυπον ἔχει. Πρῶτον μὲν γάρ εἰσιν ἄψυχοί τε καὶ ἄλογοι" εἶτα τῶν ἐντὸς μορίων ἐστέρηνται, δίας, φημὶ, καὶ κοιλίας, καὶ ἥπατος, καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἔπόσα τούτοις συνέξζευχται. "Ἔπειτα τὸ μὲν τῶν ᾳἰσθήσεων ξχουσιν εἶδος, τὰς δὲ τούτων ἐνεργείας οὐκέτι. Οὔτε γὰρ ἐπαῖΐουσιν, οὔτε φθέγγονται, οὔτε ὁρῶσιν: οὐ γράφουσιν, οὐ βαδίζουσιν, οὐκ ἄλλο τι δρῶσι τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων’ ἀλλ᾽ ὅμως εἰκόνες καλοῦνται βασιλικαί. Οὕτω καὶ Μωῦσῆς μεσίτης, καὶ ὁ Χριστὸς μεαίτης" ἀλλ᾽ ὁ μὲν, ὡς εἰκὼν καὶ τύπος" ὁ δὲ, ὡς ἀλήθεια. Ἵνα δέ σοι καὶ ἑτέρωθεν αὐτὸ σαφέστερον ἐπιδείξω, ἀνάμνησον μὲν τῶν περὶ τοῦ Μελχισεδὲκ εἰρημένων ἐν τῇ πρὸς Ἑδραίους Ἐπιστολῇ, ΟΡΘ. Ἐχείνων, ἔνθα παρεξετάζων ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολὸος τὴν Λευϊτικὴν ἱερωσύνην τῇ τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἀπείχασε μὲν ἐν τοῖς ἄλλοις τὸν Μελχισεδὲκ τῷ Δεσπότῃ Χριστῷ" τὴν δέ γε ἱερωσύνην ἔχειν ἔφη τὸν Κύριον κατὰ τὴν τάξιν Μελχισεδέκ. ΕΡΑΝ. Οἶμαι οὕτω λέγειν τὸν θεῖον ᾿Απόστολουδ ε Οὗτος γὰρ Μελχισεδὲκ, βασιλεὺς Σαλὴμ, ἱερεὺς τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ὑψίστου, ὁ συναντήσας τῷ ᾿Αδραὰμ ὑποστρέφοντι ἀπὸ τῆς χοπῆς τῶν βασιλέων, καὶ εὐλογήσας αὐτόν" ᾧ καὶ δεκάτην ἐμέρισεν ἀπὸ πάντων ᾿ΛΟραάμ᾽ πρῶτον ἑρμηνευόμενος βασιλεὺς δικαιοσύνης, ἔπειτα δὲ καὶ βασιλεὺς Σαλὴμ, ὃ ἔστι βασιλεὺς εἰρήνης, ἀπάτωρ, ἀμήτωρ, ἀγενεαλόγητος" μήτε ἀρχὴν ἡμερῶν, μήτε ζωῆς τέλος ἔχων" ἀφὡμοιωμένος δὲ τῷ Υἱῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ, μένει ἱερεὺς εἰς τὸ διηνεκές. » Περὶ τούτων οἶμαί σε τῶν ῥητῶν εἰρη κέναι. ΟΡΘ. Περὶ τούτων ἔφην, καὶ ἐπαινῶ δέ γε ὅτι τὸ χωρίον οὐ διέχοψας, ἀλλ᾽ ὅλον τέθεικας. Εἰπὲ τοίνυν, ἁρμόττει τούτων ἔκαστον τῷ Μελχισεδὲκ φύσει καὶ ἀληθείᾳ; Καὶ τίς οὕτω θρασὺς ἀφαρμόσαι ἅπερ ἥρμοσεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος; ΟΡΘ. Λέγεις τοίνυν τῷ Μελχισεδὲκ ταῦτα κατὰ φύσιν ἁρμόττειν; ΟΡΘ. "Ανθρωπον αὐτὸν εἶναι λέγεις, ἢ τινα ἄλλην εἰληφέναι φύσιν;

ERAN. Mōysēs oun ouk ōnomasthē mesitēs, anthrōpos hōn monon : ORTh. Typos hēn ekeinos tēs alētheias“ ho de typos ouk echei panta hosa per hē alētheia. Hou dē charin ekeinos ouk ēn men physei Theos, ōnomasthē de homōs theos, hina plērōsę̄ ton typon. « Idou gar, phēsi, tetheika se theon tǭ Pharaǭ»"» autika toinyn hōs Theǭ kai prophētēn aphōrisen. e ᾿Aarōn gar, phēsin, ho adelphos sou, estai soi prophētēs. » HēĒ de alētheia, kai Theos physei, kai athrōpos physei. ERAN. Kai tis an kchalesai typon ton ouk enargeis echonta tou archetypou tous charaktēras? ORTh. Hōs eoike, tas basilikas eikonas hou kaleis basileōs eikonas? ORTh. Kai mēn ou panta echousin, hosa per to archetypon echei. Prōton men gar eisin apsychoi te kai alogoi" eita tōn entos moriōn esterēntai, dias, phēmi, kai koilias, kai hēpatos, kai tōn allōn eposa toutois synexzeuchtai. "Epeita to men tōn ąisthēseōn xchousin eidos, tas de toutōn energeias ouketi. Oute gar epaiïousin, oute phthengontai, oute horōsin: ou graphousin, ou badizousin, ouk allo ti drōsi tōn anthrōpinōn’ all᾽ homōs eikones kalountai basilikai. Houtō kai Mōysēs mesitēs, kai ho Christos meaitēs" all᾽ ho men, hōs eikōn kai typos" ho de, hōs alētheia. Hina de soi kai heterōthen auto saphesteron epideixō, anamnēson men tōn peri tou Melchisedek eirēmenōn en tę̄ pros Hedraious Epistolę̄, ORTh. Echeinōn, entha parexetazōn ho theios ᾿Apostoloos tēn Leuïtikēn hierōsynēn tę̄ tou Christou, apeichase men en tois allois ton Melchisedek tǭ Despotę̄ Christǭ" tēn de ge hierōsynēn echein ephē ton Kyrion kata tēn taxin Melchisedek. ERAN. Oimai houtō legein ton theion ᾿Apostoloud e Houtos gar Melchisedek, basileus Salēm, hiereus tou Theou tou hypsistou, ho synantēsas tǭ ᾿Adraam hypostrephonti apo tēs chopēs tōn basileōn, kai eulogēsas auton" hǭ kai dekatēn emerisen apo pantōn ᾿LOraam᾽ prōton hermēneuomenos basileus dikaiosynēs, epeita de kai basileus Salēm, ho esti basileus eirēnēs, apatōr, amētōr, agenealogētos" mēte archēn hēmerōn, mēte zōēs telos echōn" aphōmoiōmenos de tǭ Huiǭ tou Theou, menei hiereus eis to diēnekes. » Peri toutōn oimai se tōn rhētōn eirē kenai. ORTh. Peri toutōn ephēn, kai epainō de ge hoti to chōrion ou diechopsas, all᾽ holon tetheikas. Eipe toinyn, harmottei toutōn ekaston tǭ Melchisedek physei kai alētheią? Kai tis houtō thrasys apharmosai haper hērmosen ho theios ᾿Apostolos? ORTh. Legeis toinyn tǭ Melchisedek tauta kata physin harmottein? ORTh. "Anthrōpon auton einai legeis, ē tina allēn eilēphenai physin?

Eranistes: Was not Moses, then, named mediator, though he was only human? Orthodoxos: He was a type of the truth, and the type does not have everything that the truth has. For this reason he was not God by nature, yet he was named god, in order to fulfil the type. “For see,” it says, “I have made you a god to Pharaoh”; and immediately, as to a god, he appointed him a prophet: “For Aaron your brother,” it says, “shall be your prophet.” But the truth is both God by nature and human by nature. Eranistes: And who would call a type something that does not have the clear features of the archetype? Orthodoxos: It seems, then, that you do not call the royal images images of the king? … Orthodoxos: And yet they do not have everything that the archetype has. In the first place, they are without soul and reason; then they lack the inner parts, I mean heart and belly and liver and whatever else is joined to these. Then they have the form of the senses but not their activities: they neither hear nor speak nor see; they do not write, they do not walk, they do nothing else that humans do; yet they are called royal images. So too Moses is a mediator and Christ is a mediator; but the one as an image and type, the other as the truth. And to show you this more clearly from another direction, recall what is said about Melchizedek in the letter to the Hebrews. … Orthodoxos: Those words in which the divine Apostle, comparing the Levitical priesthood with that of Christ, likened Melchizedek to the Master Christ in the other respects, but said that the Lord has the priesthood according to the order of Melchizedek. Eranistes: I think the divine Apostle speaks thus: “For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of God Most High, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom Abraham also apportioned a tenth of everything, being first by interpretation king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, that is, king of peace, without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest perpetually.” I think you were speaking of these sayings. Orthodoxos: Of these I spoke; and I praise you for not cutting the passage short but setting it down whole. Tell me, then: does each of these fit Melchizedek by nature and in truth? [Eranistes:] And who is so bold as to unfit what the divine Apostle fitted? Orthodoxos: You say, then, that these things fit Melchizedek by nature? … Orthodoxos: Do you say that he was a human being, or that he had received some other nature?

Exod 7:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 3:19 (allusion, low confidence) · Heb 5:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 110:4 (109:4 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 7:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 7:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 7:3 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos explains that Moses was 'mediator' and 'god' only as a type, as royal images resemble a king without having all his features, and turns to Melchizedek in Heb 7:1–3.

  • Several of Eranistes' replies have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Exod 7:1; Heb 7:1–3; Heb 5:6 (Ps 110:4, LXX 109:4); Gal 3:19 (Moses as mediator, allusion).

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters inside a word; marginal references and Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): ὙΤῆη. πὶ, ὅ, θ. 86 Εχοά. νη, 1. Ἵ [, Ρ, 158, 5010]. {Σ οἱ. «αἱ ἀο ἢ πίον 308 οἱ θοῦ καυμηδηὶ δ ἰς. ι φαΐ ον! άθῃοἱ γα- Πι- Ὁ ἰοῦ: βδὰ {116 αυϊάθπι, υἱ ἱπιᾶρο οἱ ἰγρυ8; μἷο Δα Πα πὶ → ; ὁπιποῦ Θεοῦ → τοῦ Θεοῦ; γοἱ 4] δο- Υἱ ὰ» ἢ 156ἥρμοσεν → ἥρμοσεν.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.7 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.8PG 83

ΟΡΘ. Γεννητὸν ἣ ἀγέννητον; ΕΡΑΝ. ᾿Ατόπους ἅγαν ἐρωτήσεις προσφέρεις. ΟΡΘ. Σὺ τούτων αἴτιος, προφανῶς τῇ ἀληθείᾳ μαχόμενος" ἀπόκριναι τοίνυν. ΕΡΑΝ. Εἷς ἐστι μόνος ἀγέννητος, ὁ Θεὸς καὶ Πατήρ. ΟΡΘ. Γεννητὸν οὖν ἄρα τὸν Μελχισεδὲκ εἶναί φαμεν; ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ὁ περὶ αὐτοῦ λόγος τἀναντία διδάσκει. « ᾿Απάτωρ, ἀμήτωρ, ἀγενεαλόγητος, μὴτε ἀρχὴν ἡμερῶν, μήτε ζωῆς τέλος ἔχων. » Πῶς τοίνυν αὑτῷ τὸ «ἀπάτωρ ἁρμόττει, καὶ τὸ ἀμήτωρ; ν» πῶς δὲ καὶ τὸ, « μηδὲ ἀρχὴν εἰληφέναι τοῦ εἶναι, μήτε λήψεσθαι τέλος;» Ὑπὲρ ἀνθρωπείαν γὰρ ταῦτά φύσιν. ΕΡΑΝ. Ὑπερθαίνει τῷ ὄντι ταῦτα τῆς φύσεως τῆς ἀνθρωπείας τὰ μέτρα. ΟΡΘ. Τί οὖν, ψευδῆ τὸν ᾿Απόστολον εἰρῆχοαι φήσομεν; Ὦ ΕἘΡΑΝ. Μὴ γένοιτο ᾿ ΘΡΘ, Πῶς οὖν οἷάν τε καὶ τῷ ᾿Αποστόλῳ προσμαρτυρῆσαι ἀλήθειαν, καὶ τῷ Μελχισεδὲκ προσαρμόσαι τὰ ὑπὲρ φύσιν, ἀσαφὲς τὸ χωρίον, καὶ πολλῆς ὅτι ΟΡΘ. Τοῖς προσέχειν ἐθέλουσιν ἘΚ τῆς τῶν ῥητῶν διανοίας ἡ κατανόησις. Εἰρηκὼς γὰρ ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος, ε« ἀπάτωρ, ἀμήτωρ, ἀγενεαλόγητος, μὖὴτε ἀρχὴν ἡμερῶν, μήτ: ζωῆς τέλος ἔχων, » ἐπἤγαγεν, « ᾿Αφωμοιωμένος δὲ τῷ Υἱῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ μένει ἱερεὺς εἰς τὸ διηνεκές.» Καὶ σαφῶς ἡμᾶς διδάσκει, ὡς τοῦ Μελχισεδὲκ ἐν τοῖς ὑπὲρ τὴν ἀνθρωπείαν φύσιν ἀρχέτυπόν ἐστιν ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστός" τὸν δὲ γε Μελχισεδὲκ εἶπεν ἀφωμοιωμένον τῷ Υἱῷ τοῦ Θεοῦ. Σκοπήσωμεν δὲ οὕτως" εἰ λέγεις ἐσχηκέναι τὸν Κύριον κατὰ σάρκα πατέρα;. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐκ μόνης γὰρ ἁγίας ἐγεννήθη θένου. ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν εἰκότως ἀπάτωρ ὠνόμασται: ΟΡΘ. Δέγεις αὐτὸν κατὰ τὴν θείαν φύσιν ἐσχηκέναι μητέρα: ΟΡΘ. Ἔχ μόνου γὰρ πρὸ τῶν αἰων ἐγεννήθη Πατρός. ἔχων τὴν ἐκ Πατρὸς γέννησιν, προσηγόρευται. ε Τὴν γενεὰν γὰρ αὐτοῦ, φησὶν ὃ προφήτης, τίς διηγή- ΟΡΘ. Οὕτω αὐτῷ προσήκει τὸ μήτε ἡμερῶν ἀρχὴν, μήτε ζωῆς τέλος ἔχειν" ἄναρχος γὰρ, καὶ ἀνὥλεθρος, καὶ συντόμως, ἀΐδιος, καὶ τῷ Πατρὶ συναῖδιος. ΕΡΑΝ. Ταῦτα μὲν οὕτω κἀμοὶ συνδοκεῖ. Χρὴ δὲ σκοπῆσαι λοιπὸν, πῶς ἁρμόττει ταῦτα καὶ τῷ θαυ- ΟΡΘ. Ὡς; εἰκόνι καὶ τύπῳ’ ἡ δὲ εἰκὼν ὡς καὶ πρόσθεν εἰρήκαμεν, οὐ πάντα ἔχει ὅσα τὸ ἀρχέτυπον ἔχει. Τῷ μὲν οὖν Σωτῆρι πρϑσήχει ταῦτα φύσει καὶ ἀληθείᾳ " τῷ δέ γε Μελχισεδὲκ ἧ τῆς ἀρχαιογονίας ἱστορία προσήρμοσε ταῦτα. Διδάξασα γὰρ ἡμᾶς τοῦ πατριάρχου ᾿Δδραὰμ, τὸν πατέρα, τοῦ δὲ Ἰσαὰκ τὸν πατέρα καὶ τὴν μητέρα, καὶ τοῦ Ἰαχὼδ ὡσαύτως, καὶ τῶν τούτου παίδων, καὶ μέντοι καὶ τῶν πρόπάλαι γενομένων τὴν γενεαλογίαν ἐπιδείξασα, τοῦ Μελχισεδὲκ οὔτε τὸν πατέρα εἴρηκεν, οὔτε τὴν μητέρα, οὔτε μὴν ἔχ τινος τῶν Νῶε παίδων κατάγειν τὸ γένος ἐδίδαξεν, ἵνα γένηται τοῦ ἀληθῶς ἀμήτορος καὶ ἀπάτορος τύπος. Τοῦτο δὲ νοεῖν ἡμᾶς ἐδίδαξεν ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος᾽ ἐν αὐτῷ γὰρ τῷ χωρίῳ καὶ ταῦτα προστέθειχεν᾽ ε Ὃ δὲ μὴ γενεαλογούμενος ἐξ αὐτῶν, τὸν ᾿Αδραὰμ ἀποδεδεχάτωχε, καὶ τὸν ἔχοντα τὰς ἐπαγγελίας ηὐλόγηχεν. )

ORTh. Gennēton hē agennēton? ERAN. ᾿Atopous hagan erōtēseis prosphereis. ORTh. Sy toutōn aitios, prophanōs tę̄ alētheią machomenos" apokrinai toinyn. ERAN. Heis esti monos agennētos, ho Theos kai Patēr. ORTh. Gennēton oun ara ton Melchisedek einai phamen? ORTh. ᾿All᾽ ho peri autou logos tanantia didaskei. « ᾿Apatōr, amētōr, agenealogētos, mēte archēn hēmerōn, mēte zōēs telos echōn. » Pōs toinyn hautǭ to «apatōr harmottei, kai to amētōr? n» pōs de kai to, « mēde archēn eilēphenai tou einai, mēte lēpsesthai telos?» Hyper anthrōpeian gar tauta physin. ERAN. Hyperthainei tǭ onti tauta tēs physeōs tēs anthrōpeias ta metra. ORTh. Ti oun, pseudē ton ᾿Apostolon eirēchoai phēsomen? Ō EERAN. Mē genoito ᾿ ThRTh, Pōs oun hoian te kai tǭ ᾿Apostolǭ prosmartyrēsai alētheian, kai tǭ Melchisedek prosarmosai ta hyper physin, asaphes to chōrion, kai pollēs hoti ORTh. Tois prosechein ethelousin EK tēs tōn rhētōn dianoias hē katanoēsis. Eirēkōs gar ho theios ᾿Apostolos, e« apatōr, amētōr, agenealogētos, myēte archēn hēmerōn, mēt: zōēs telos echōn, » epēgagen, « ᾿Aphōmoiōmenos de tǭ Huiǭ tou Theou menei hiereus eis to diēnekes.» Kai saphōs hēmas didaskei, hōs tou Melchisedek en tois hyper tēn anthrōpeian physin archetypon estin ho Despotēs Christos" ton de ge Melchisedek eipen aphōmoiōmenon tǭ Huiǭ tou Theou. Skopēsōmen de houtōs" ei legeis eschēkenai ton Kyrion kata sarka patera?. ERAN. Ek monēs gar hagias egennēthē thenou. ORTh. Oukoun eikotōs apatōr ōnomastai: ORTh. Degeis auton kata tēn theian physin eschēkenai mētera: ORTh. Ech monou gar pro tōn aiōn egennēthē Patros. echōn tēn ek Patros gennēsin, prosēgoreutai. e Tēn genean gar autou, phēsin ho prophētēs, tis diēgē- ORTh. Houtō autǭ prosēkei to mēte hēmerōn archēn, mēte zōēs telos echein" anarchos gar, kai anōlethros, kai syntomōs, aïdios, kai tǭ Patri synaidios. ERAN. Tauta men houtō kamoi syndokei. Chrē de skopēsai loipon, pōs harmottei tauta kai tǭ thau- ORTh. Hōs? eikoni kai typǭ’ hē de eikōn hōs kai prosthen eirēkamen, ou panta echei hosa to archetypon echei. Tǭ men oun Sōtēri prϑsēchei tauta physei kai alētheią " tǭ de ge Melchisedek hē tēs archaiogonias historia prosērmose tauta. Didaxasa gar hēmas tou patriarchou ᾿Ddraam, ton patera, tou de Isaak ton patera kai tēn mētera, kai tou Iachōd hōsautōs, kai tōn toutou paidōn, kai mentoi kai tōn propalai genomenōn tēn genealogian epideixasa, tou Melchisedek oute ton patera eirēken, oute tēn mētera, oute mēn ech tinos tōn Nōe paidōn katagein to genos edidaxen, hina genētai tou alēthōs amētoros kai apatoros typos. Touto de noein hēmas edidaxen ho theios ᾿Apostolos᾽ en autǭ gar tǭ chōriǭ kai tauta prostetheichen᾽ e Ho de mē genealogoumenos ex autōn, ton ᾿Adraam apodedechatōche, kai ton echonta tas epangelias ēulogēchen. )

Orthodoxos: Begotten or unbegotten? Eranistes: You put very absurd questions. Orthodoxos: You are the cause of them, plainly fighting against the truth. Answer, then. Eranistes: There is only one unbegotten, God the Father. Orthodoxos: Then we say that Melchizedek was begotten? … Orthodoxos: But the word about him teaches the opposite: “Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life.” How, then, does “without father” fit him, and “without mother”? And how “having taken no beginning of being, nor going to receive an end”? For these things are beyond human nature. Eranistes: They really do exceed the measures of human nature. Orthodoxos: What, then? Shall we say that the Apostle spoke falsely? Eranistes: Far from it! Orthodoxos: How, then, is it possible both to bear witness to the Apostle's truthfulness and to fit to Melchizedek things beyond nature? [Eranistes:] … the passage is obscure, and much … Orthodoxos: For those who are willing to attend, understanding comes from the sense of the words. For the divine Apostle, having said, “without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life,” added, “but made like the Son of God, remains a priest perpetually.” And he teaches us clearly that, of Melchizedek's attributes that are beyond human nature, the Master Christ is the archetype; and he said that Melchizedek was made like the Son of God. Let us examine it this way: do you say that the Lord had a father according to the flesh? [Eranistes: No;] for he was born of the holy Virgin alone. Orthodoxos: Then he has fittingly been named fatherless? … Orthodoxos: Do you say that according to the divine nature he had a mother? … Orthodoxos: For before the ages he was begotten of the Father alone. … having his birth from the Father, he has been called. “For his generation,” says the prophet, “who will declare?” … Orthodoxos: So too it belongs to him to have neither beginning of days nor end of life; for he is without beginning and indestructible, in short, eternal and coeternal with the Father. Eranistes: I too agree that this is so. But we must now consider how these things also fit the wonderful [Melchizedek]. Orthodoxos: As an image and type; and the image, as we said before, does not have everything that the archetype has. To the Savior, then, these things belong by nature and in truth; but to Melchizedek the history of ancient origins fitted them. For having taught us who was the father of the patriarch Abraham, and the father and mother of Isaac, and likewise of Jacob and of his sons, and having shown the genealogy of those born long before, it mentioned neither Melchizedek's father nor his mother, nor did it teach that he traced his descent from any of Noah's sons, so that he might become a type of the one who is truly motherless and fatherless. And the divine Apostle taught us to understand it so; for in this very passage he added this too: “But he who has no genealogy from them received tithes from Abraham, and blessed him who had the promises.”

Heb 7:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 53:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 11:26 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 25:26 (allusion, low confidence) · Heb 7:6 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that 'without father, without mother, without beginning or end' belong to Christ in truth (fatherless as man, motherless as God, eternal), and to Melchizedek only as a type, because Scripture records no parents or genealogy for him.

  • Several replies have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed, including the end of the sentence on Christ as 'without genealogy'. Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Heb 7:3; Isa 53:8; Gen 11:26; 21:2–3; 25:26; Heb 7:6.

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): ἀδεὶ ἰπ 8 45 Βυπιλη πὶ δέυΓϑη θυρδγδηῖ δα → ; σ. ρᾶτ, Δί 4110 το πὴ → ; ὃ ΑΒγάβάπῖο, οἱ μυΐϊς φαὶ → .

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.8 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

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ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ ἐπειδὴ τῶν γεγεννηκότων αὐτὸν οὐκ ἐμνημόνευσεν ἣ θεία Γραφὴ, ἀπάτωρ δύναται καὶ ἀμήτωρ καλεῖσθαι; ΟΡΘ. Εἰ ἀληθῶς ἀπάτωρ ἦν καὶ ἀμήτωρ, οὐκ ἂν ἦν εἰκὼν, ἀλλ᾽ ἀλήθεια. Ἐπειδὴ ὃὲ οὐ φύσει ταῦτ᾽ ἔχει, ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὴν τῆς θείας Γραφῆς οἰκονομίαν, δείκνυσι τῆς ἀληθείας τὸν τύπον. ΕΡΑΝ. Χρὴ τὴν εἰκόνα ἔχειν τοῦ ἀρχετύπου τοὺς ΟΡΘ. Ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰκὼν καλεῖται Θεοῦ; ἔστιν εἰκὼν Θεοῦ, ἀλλὰ κατ᾿ εἰκόνα Θεοῦ ἐγένετο. ΘΡΟ. "Ἄκουσον οὖν τοῦ ᾿Δποστόλου λέγοντος" « ᾿Ανὴρ μὲν γὰρ οὐκ ὀφείλει χαταχαλύπτεσθαι τὴν κεφαλὴν, εἰκὼν καὶ δόξα Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων. 9 ΕΡΑΝ. Ἔστω εἰκὼν Θεοῦ. ΟΡΘ. Ἐχρῆν τοίνυν, κατὰ τὸν σὸν λόγον, σώζειν αὐτὸν ἐναργεῖς τοῦ ἀρχετύπου τοὺς χαρᾳκτῆρας, καὶ μήτε κτιστὸν εἶναι, μήτε σύνθετον, μήτε περι» γεγράφθαι. "Ἔδει παραπληείως αὐτὸν ἐκ μὴ ὄντων δημιουργεῖν" ἔδει λόγῳ καὶ δίχα πόνου πάντα τεκταίνεῖν᾿ καὶ πρὸς τούτοις, μὴ νοσεῖν, μὴ ἀθυμεῖν, μὴ θυμοῦσθαι, μὴ ἁμαρτάνειν, ἀλλ᾽ ἀθάνατον εἶναι, καὶ ἄφθαρτον, καὶ πάντα ἔχειν, ὅσα τὸ ἀρχέτνπον ἜΡΑΝ, Οὐ κατὰ πάντα ἐστὶν ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αληθὲς ἐν οἴσπερ ἂν αὐτὸν δῷς εἰκόνα εἶναι, σαμτπόλλῳ ςινὶ μέτρῳ τῆς ἀληθείας ἀποδέοντα πάντως εὑρήσεις. ΟΡΘ. Σκόπησον δὲ καὶ τόδε τὸ νῦν" ὁ θεῖος ᾿Απόστολος εἰκόνα προτηγόρευσε τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Πατρός" ἔφη γάρ' ε Ὃς ἔσςιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτον. » ΕΡΑΝ. Τί οὖν; οὐ πάντα ἔχει ὁ Υἱὸς ὅσαπερ ὁ ΟΥ̓Θ. Πατὴρ οὐκ ἔστιν, οὔτε ἀναίςιος, οὔτε ἀγέν- ΕΡΑΝ. Εἰ ταῦτα εἶχεν, οὐκ ἂν ἣν ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αληθὴς ἄρα ὁ λόγος ὃν εἴρηκα ἐγὸν, ὡς ἡ εἰκὼν οὐ πάντα ἔχει ὅσα τὸ ἀρχέτνπον ΟΡΘ. Οὕτω τοίνυν καὶ τὸν Μελχισεδὲκ εἶπεν ὁ θεζος ᾿Ἀπόστοζος ἀφωμοιῶσθαι μὲν τῷ Υἱῷ τοῦ θεοῦ. ΕΡΑΝ. Δῶμεν τὸ ἀπάτωρ, καὶ ἀμήτωρ, καὶ ἀγενεαλόγητος, οὕτως εἶναι ὡς εἴρηκας" τὸ μὴτε ἀρχὴν ἡμερῶν, μὴτε ζωῆς τέλος ἔχων, πῶς νοήσομεν; σπέσιος Μωῦσῆς, ἐδίδαξεν ἡμᾶς, ὡς ᾿Αδὰμ ἐτῶν τοσῶνδε γενόμενος, ἐγέννησς τὸν Σὴθ, καὶ ἐπιζήσας ἔτη τοσάδε, τοῦ βίου τὸ τέρμα χατέλαθεν. Οὕτω καὶ περὶ τοῦ Σὴθ, καὶ τοῦ Ἑνῶς, καὶ τῶν ἄλλων εἴρηκε. Τοῦ μέντοι Μελχισεδὲκ, καὶ τὴν ἀρχὴν τῆς γενέσεως, καὶ ἢ τῆς ζωῆς τὸ τέλος ἐσίγησεν. Οὐκοῦν, κατὰ τὴν ἱστορίαν, οὔτε ἀρχὴν ἡμερῶν, οὔτε ζωῆς τέλος ἔχει" κατὰ δὲ τὴν ἀλήθειαν, ὁ μονογενὴς τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱὸς, οὔτε ἤρξατο τοῦ εἶναι, οὔτε λήψεται τέλος. ΟΡΘ. Κατὰ μὲν οὖν τὰ θεοπρεπῇ ταῦτα καὶ ὄντως θεῖα, τύπος ὁ Μελχισεδὲκ τοῦ Δεσπότου Χριστοῦ " κατὰ δέ γε τὴν ἀρχιερωσύνην, ἧτις ἀνθρώποις μᾶλλον ἢ Θεῷ προσήκει, ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸ; ἀρχιερεὺς γέγονε κατὰ τὴν τάξιν Μελχισεδέκ. Καὶ γὰρ ἐκεῖνος ἐθνῶν ὑπῆρχεν ἀρχ'ερεύς" καὶ ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸς ὅπὲρ ἁπάντων ἀνθρώπων τὴν παναγίαν καὶ σωτήριον

ERAN. Kai epeidē tōn gegennēkotōn auton ouk emnēmoneusen hē theia Graphē, apatōr dynatai kai amētōr kaleisthai? ORTh. Ei alēthōs apatōr ēn kai amētōr, ouk an ēn eikōn, all᾽ alētheia. Epeidē hoe ou physei taut᾽ echei, alla kata tēn tēs theias Graphēs oikonomian, deiknysi tēs alētheias ton typon. ERAN. Chrē tēn eikona echein tou archetypou tous ORTh. Ho anthrōpos eikōn kaleitai Theou? estin eikōn Theou, alla kat᾿ eikona Theou egeneto. ThRO. "Akouson oun tou ᾿Dpostolou legontos" « ᾿Anēr men gar ouk opheilei chatachalyptesthai tēn kephalēn, eikōn kai doxa Theou hyparchōn. 9 ERAN. Estō eikōn Theou. ORTh. Echrēn toinyn, kata ton son logon, sōzein auton enargeis tou archetypou tous charąktēras, kai mēte ktiston einai, mēte syntheton, mēte peri» gegraphthai. "Edei paraplēeiōs auton ek mē ontōn dēmiourgein" edei logǭ kai dicha ponou panta tektainein᾿ kai pros toutois, mē nosein, mē athymein, mē thymousthai, mē hamartanein, all᾽ athanaton einai, kai aphtharton, kai panta echein, hosa to archetnpon ERAN, Ou kata panta estin ho anthrōpos eikōn tou Theou. ORTh. ᾿Alēthes en oisper an auton dǭs eikona einai, samtpollǭ sini metrǭ tēs alētheias apodeonta pantōs heurēseis. ORTh. Skopēson de kai tode to nyn" ho theios ᾿Apostolos eikona protēgoreuse ton Huion tou Patros" ephē gar' e Hos essin eikōn tou Theou tou aoraton. » ERAN. Ti oun? ou panta echei ho Huios hosaper ho OUTh. Patēr ouk estin, oute anaisios, oute agen- ERAN. Ei tauta eichen, ouk an hēn ORTh. ᾿Alēthēs ara ho logos hon eirēka egon, hōs hē eikōn ou panta echei hosa to archetnpon ORTh. Houtō toinyn kai ton Melchisedek eipen ho thezos ᾿Apostozos aphōmoiōsthai men tǭ Huiǭ tou theou. ERAN. Dōmen to apatōr, kai amētōr, kai agenealogētos, houtōs einai hōs eirēkas" to mēte archēn hēmerōn, mēte zōēs telos echōn, pōs noēsomen? spesios Mōysēs, edidaxen hēmas, hōs ᾿Adam etōn tosōnde genomenos, egennēss ton Sēth, kai epizēsas etē tosade, tou biou to terma chatelathen. Houtō kai peri tou Sēth, kai tou Henōs, kai tōn allōn eirēke. Tou mentoi Melchisedek, kai tēn archēn tēs geneseōs, kai ē tēs zōēs to telos esigēsen. Oukoun, kata tēn historian, oute archēn hēmerōn, oute zōēs telos echei" kata de tēn alētheian, ho monogenēs tou Theou Huios, oute ērxato tou einai, oute lēpsetai telos. ORTh. Kata men oun ta theoprepę̄ tauta kai ontōs theia, typos ho Melchisedek tou Despotou Christou " kata de ge tēn archierōsynēn, hētis anthrōpois mallon ē Theǭ prosēkei, ho Despotēs Christo? archiereus gegone kata tēn taxin Melchisedek. Kai gar ekeinos ethnōn hypērchen arch'ereus" kai ho Despotēs Christos hoper hapantōn anthrōpōn tēn panagian kai sōtērion

Eranistes: And because the divine Scripture did not mention those who begot him, he can be called fatherless and motherless? Orthodoxos: If he were truly fatherless and motherless, he would not be an image but the truth. But since he has these things not by nature but by the arrangement of the divine Scripture, he shows the type of the truth. Eranistes: The image must have the [features] of the archetype. Orthodoxos: Is the human being called the image of God? [Eranistes: He] is [not] the image of God, but came to be according to the image of God. Orthodoxos: Hear, then, the Apostle saying, “For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God.” Eranistes: Let him be the image of God. Orthodoxos: Then according to your argument he ought to preserve the clear features of the archetype: to be neither created, nor composite, nor circumscribed. He ought likewise to create from nothing; to fashion all things by a word and without toil; and besides, not to fall ill, not to be dejected, not to be angry, not to sin, but to be immortal and incorruptible, and to have everything that the archetype [has]. Eranistes: The human being is not the image of God in all respects. Orthodoxos: True; and in whatever respects you grant that he is an image, you will certainly find him falling short of the truth by a very great measure. … Orthodoxos: Consider this too now: the divine Apostle called the Son the image of the Father; for he said, “who is the image of the invisible God.” Eranistes: What then? Does not the Son have everything that the [Father has]? Orthodoxos: [He is not] Father, nor uncaused, nor unbegotten. Eranistes: If he had these, he would not be [Son]. Orthodoxos: The statement I made, then, is true, that the image does not have everything that the archetype [has]. … Orthodoxos: So, then, the divine Apostle said that Melchizedek too was made like the Son of God. Eranistes: Let us grant that “without father, without mother, without genealogy” are as you have said; how shall we understand “having neither beginning of days nor end of life”? [Orthodoxos: The in]spired Moses taught us that Adam, at such and such an age, begot Seth, and after living so many more years reached the end of his life. So too he spoke of Seth, and Enosh, and the others. But of Melchizedek he kept silent about both the beginning of his birth and the end of his life. Then, according to the history, he has neither beginning of days nor end of life; but in truth it is the only-begotten Son of God who neither began to be nor will receive an end. Orthodoxos: In these God-befitting and truly divine attributes, then, Melchizedek is a type of the Master Christ; but in the high priesthood, which belongs to human beings rather than to God, the Master Christ became high priest according to the order of Melchizedek. For that man was high priest of the nations; and the Master Christ, on behalf of all human beings, [offered] the all-holy and saving …

Gen 1:27 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 11:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 7:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 5:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 5:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Heb 6:20 (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 7:27 (allusion, low confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos shows that no image has all its archetype's features (man as God's image; the Son as the Father's image), so Melchizedek is a type of Christ's eternity only by Scripture's silence, while Christ is high priest after Melchizedek's order according to his humanity.

  • The negative in Eranistes' reply ('He is [not] the image of God, but came to be according to the image') is lost in the OCR and supplied for sense; lines have dropped out where '…' is printed. Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Gen 1:26–27; 1 Cor 11:7; Col 1:15; Heb 7:3; Gen 5:3–8; Heb 6:20; Heb 7:27 (allusion).

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; marginal reference read into a word; marginal references and Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): δ᾽ Δ. τ, 8. Ν᾽ ΗΡΓ. γι, 6. τι 0 ηπὸ Παροῖ, ῬΘηΒΔΙΙΟἤθτΏ, νοῦ (15 (Ὑρυ πὶ οϑίο πα !. → ; οὶ. ἐμὰ, Τὶ δῖα Βα οι ἢ τηοᾶο ἰη οἰ χα, 8 ὃ οἱ οὐ β → ; ἔστοτι, 7. κγ΄, 30. ρίαν → ἱστορίαν; Αὶ ομηπίθυ5 ποτ θυ 59 ποις γηὶ εἰ γους. → .

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.9 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.10PG 83

ΟΡΘ. Ἐδεῖτο καὶ πλειόνων, ὡς οἶσθα" δυσνάητον ἔφησθα τὸ χωρίον. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐπὶ τὸν προκείμενον ἐπανέλθωμεν λόγον. ΟΡΘ. Τί δὲ ἣν ἡμῖν ζητούμενον; ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐμοῦ λέγοντος, μὴ χρῆναι καλεῖν ἄνθρωπαν τὸν Χριστὸν, ἀλλὰ μόνον Θεὰν, πολλάς γε ἄλλας αὐτὸς μαρτυρίας παρήγαγες, καὶ δὴ καὶ τὴν ἀποστολικὴν ῥῆσιν ἐχείνην, ἣν Τιμοθέῳ γράφων τέθεικεν᾽ «εἷς Θεὸς, εἷς; καὶ μεσίτης Θεοῦ κα! ἀνθρώπων, ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸ; Ἰησοῦς, ὃ δοὺς ἑαυτὸν ἀντῇλυτρον ἀντὶ πάντων. » αιν ἐξεκλίναμεν. Ἐμοῦ γὰρ εἰρηκότος ὡς καὶ αὐτὰ τοῦ μεσίτου ὄνομα τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν τὰς δύο φύσεις παραδηλοῖ, αὐτὸς ἔφησθα καὶ Μωῦσέα κεκλῆσθαι μεαίτην, ἄνθρωπος δὲ μόνον ἐκεῖνος ἐτύγχανεν ὧν, οὐ Θεὸς καὶ ἄνθρωπος. Τούτου δὴ χάριν ἢνσγχάσθην ταῦτα διεξελθεῖν, ἵνα δεἰξωτὸν τύπον οὐ πάντα ἔχοντα ὅαα τὸ ἀρχέτυπὸν ἔχει. Εἰπὲ τοίνυν, εἰ συνομολογεῖς χρῆναι καὶ ἄνθρωπον ὀνομάζεσθαι τὸν Σωτῆρα Χριστόν; ἘΡΑΝ. Ἐγὼ Θεὸν αὐτὸν καλῶ" Θεοῦ γάρ ἔστιν ΟΡΘ. Εἰ Θεὸν αὐτὸν καλεῖς, ἐπειδὴ Θεοῦ αὐτὸν ἐδιδάχθης Υἱὸν, κάλει καὶ ἄνθρωπον Υἱὸν γὰρ ἀνθρώπου πολλάκις ἑαυτὸν προσηγόρευσεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐκ ἁρμόττε: αὐτῷ τὸ ἄνθρωπος ὄνομα, ὡς τὸ Θεὸς ὄνομα. ΟΡΘ. Ὡς οὐκ ὃν ἀληθὲς, ἢ δι᾽ ἑτέραν αἰδίᾳν; ἘΕΡΑΝ, Τὸ Θεὸς ὄνομα τῆς φύσεως ὄνομα τὸ δὲ ἄνθρωπος τῆς οἰκονομία; πρόσρημα. ὉΡΘ. Τὴν δὲ οἰκονομίαν ἀληβή φάμεν, ἣ φαντασιώδη τινὰ καὶ ψευδῆ; ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν ἀληθὴς τῆς οἰκονομίας ἡ χάρις, τὴν ἐνανθρώπηαιν ὃὲ ταῦ Θεοῦ Λόγου καλοῦμεν οἰκονομίαν, ἀληθὲς ἄρα καὶ τὸ ἄνθρωπος ἄναμα΄ γὰρ ἀνθρωπείαν ἀναλαδὼν, ἐχρημάτισεν ἄνθοωπος, ΕΡΑΝ. Πρὸ τοῦ πάθονς ἐκαλεῖτο ἄνθρωπος" μετὰ δὲ τὸ πάθος οὐκ ἔτι. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ μὴν μετὰ τὸ πάθος καὶ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, ἔγραψε Τιμοθέῳ τὴν Ἑπιστολὴν ὁθεῖος ᾿λπόστολος, ἐν ἧἦ τὸν Σωτῆρα Χριστὸν προσηγόρευσεν ἄνθρωπον. Μετὰ τὸ πάθος καὶ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, θίοις γράφων βοᾷ « Ἐπειδὴ γὰρ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπου θάνατος, καὶ δι᾽ ἀνθρώπου ἀνάστασις τῶν νεκρῶν.» Καὶ διδάτχων σαφέστερον περὶ τίνος λέγει, ἐπήγαγεν: « ὥσπερ γὰρ ἐν τῷ ᾿Αδὰμ πάντες ἀποθνήσκουσιν, οὕτω καὶ ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ πάγτες ζωοποιηθήσονται. » Μετὰ τὸ πάθος καὶ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, ὁ θεῖος Πέτρος, Ἰουδαίοις διαλεγόμενος, ἄνδρα αὐτὸν προσηγόρευσε. Μετὰ τὴν εἰς οὐρανοὺς ἀνάληψιν, ὁ καλλίνικος Στέφᾶνος λιθολευστούμενος ἔφη τοῖς Ἰουδαίοις" ε Ἰδοὺ θεωρῶ τοὺς οὐρανοὺς ἀνεῳγμένους, καὶ τὸν Υ͵ὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἑστῶτα ἐκ δεξιῶν τοῦ Θεοῦ. » Μὴ τοίνυν ἡμᾶς αὐτοὺς σοφωτέρους ὑπονοήδωμεν τῶν μεγάλων κηρύκων τῆς ἀληθείας.

ORTh. Edeito kai pleionōn, hōs oistha" dysnaēton ephēstha to chōrion. ERAN. Epi ton prokeimenon epanelthōmen logon. ORTh. Ti de hēn hēmin zētoumenon? ERAN. Emou legontos, mē chrēnai kalein anthrōpan ton Christon, alla monon Thean, pollas ge allas autos martyrias parēgages, kai dē kai tēn apostolikēn rhēsin echeinēn, hēn Timotheǭ graphōn tetheiken᾽ «heis Theos, heis? kai mesitēs Theou ka! anthrōpōn, anthrōpos Christo? Iēsous, ho dous heauton antę̄lytron anti pantōn. » ain exeklinamen. Emou gar eirēkotos hōs kai auta tou mesitou onoma tou Sōtēros hēmōn tas dyo physeis paradēloi, autos ephēstha kai Mōysea keklēsthai meaitēn, anthrōpos de monon ekeinos etynchanen hōn, ou Theos kai anthrōpos. Toutou dē charin ēnsnchasthēn tauta diexelthein, hina deixōton typon ou panta echonta hoaa to archetypon echei. Eipe toinyn, ei synomologeis chrēnai kai anthrōpon onomazesthai ton Sōtēra Christon? ERAN. Egō Theon auton kalō" Theou gar estin ORTh. Ei Theon auton kaleis, epeidē Theou auton edidachthēs Huion, kalei kai anthrōpon Huion gar anthrōpou pollakis heauton prosēgoreusen. ERAN. Ouk harmotte: autǭ to anthrōpos onoma, hōs to Theos onoma. ORTh. Hōs ouk hon alēthes, ē di᾽ heteran aidiąn? EERAN, To Theos onoma tēs physeōs onoma to de anthrōpos tēs oikonomia? prosrēma. HoRTh. Tēn de oikonomian alēbē phamen, hē phantasiōdē tina kai pseudē? ORTh. Ei toinyn alēthēs tēs oikonomias hē charis, tēn enanthrōpēain hoe tau Theou Logou kaloumen oikonomian, alēthes ara kai to anthrōpos anama΄ gar anthrōpeian analadōn, echrēmatisen anthoōpos, ERAN. Pro tou pathons ekaleito anthrōpos" meta de to pathos ouk eti. ORTh. Kai mēn meta to pathos kai tēn anastasin, egrapse Timotheǭ tēn Hepistolēn hotheios ᾿lpostolos, en hēē ton Sōtēra Christon prosēgoreusen anthrōpon. Meta to pathos kai tēn anastasin, thiois graphōn boą « Epeidē gar di᾽ anthrōpou thanatos, kai di᾽ anthrōpou anastasis tōn nekrōn.» Kai didatchōn saphesteron peri tinos legei, epēgagen: « hōsper gar en tǭ ᾿Adam pantes apothnēskousin, houtō kai en tǭ Christǭ pagtes zōopoiēthēsontai. » Meta to pathos kai tēn anastasin, ho theios Petros, Ioudaiois dialegomenos, andra auton prosēgoreuse. Meta tēn eis ouranous analēpsin, ho kallinikos Stephanos litholeustoumenos ephē tois Ioudaiois" e Idou theōrō tous ouranous aneǭgmenous, kai ton Y͵on tou anthrōpou hestōta ek dexiōn tou Theou. » Mē toinyn hēmas autous sophōterous hyponoēdōmen tōn megalōn kērykōn tēs alētheias.

Orthodoxos: It needed more, as you know; you said the passage was hard to understand. Eranistes: Let us return to the matter in hand. Orthodoxos: And what was the question before us? Eranistes: When I said that one should not call Christ human but God only, you brought forward many other testimonies, and in particular that apostolic saying which he set down when writing to Timothy: “One God, and one mediator of God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all.” … [Orthodoxos:] … we turned aside. For when I said that the very name of mediator given to our Savior indicates the two natures, you said that Moses too was called mediator, though he was only human, not God and human. That is why I was compelled to go through these things, to show that the type does not have everything that the archetype has. Tell me, then: do you agree that the Savior Christ must also be named human? Eranistes: I call him God; for he is [the Son] of God. Orthodoxos: If you call him God because you were taught that he is the Son of God, call him human as well; for he often called himself Son of Man. Eranistes: The name “human” does not fit him as the name “God” does. Orthodoxos: As not being true, or for another reason? Eranistes: The name “God” is the name of the nature; but “human” is a designation of the dispensation. Orthodoxos: And do we say that the dispensation is true, or some kind of fantasy and falsehood? … Orthodoxos: If, then, the grace of the dispensation is true, and we call the incarnation of God the Word the dispensation, then the name “human” too is true. For having assumed [the nature] of a human being, he was called human. Eranistes: Before the passion he was called human, but after the passion no longer. Orthodoxos: And yet it was after the passion and the resurrection that the divine Apostle wrote the letter to Timothy in which he called the Savior Christ human. After the passion and the resurrection, writing to the Corinthians, he cries: “For since death came through a human being, the resurrection of the dead also came through a human being.” And teaching more clearly of whom he speaks, he added: “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.” After the passion and the resurrection, the divine Peter, speaking to the Jews, called him a man. After the ascension into heaven, the victorious Stephen, as he was being stoned, said to the Jews, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” Let us not, then, suppose ourselves wiser than the great heralds of the truth.

1 Tim 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:21 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 7:56 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Eranistes says 'human' is only a name of the dispensation, used before the passion; Orthodoxos answers that the dispensation is real, so the name is true, and that Paul, Peter and Stephen called Christ human after the resurrection and ascension.

  • The speaker label before 'we turned aside' is lost in the OCR; the sentence that follows is Orthodoxos'. Migne's Latin column (its speaker labels included), read as Greek letters, has been removed throughout this section (logged corrections). Scripture: 1 Tim 2:5–6; Matt 8:20 etc. (Son of Man); 1 Cor 15:21–22; Acts 2:22; Acts 7:56.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.10 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.11PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐ σοφώτερον ἐμαυτὸν τῶν ἁγίων διδασκάλων ὑπείληφα, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ εὑρίσκω τὴν τοῦ ὀνόματος ΟΡΘ. Τοὺς οὖν ἀρνουμένους τοῦ Κυρίου τὴν ἀνκαὶ τοὺς ἄλλους, ὅσοι ταύτην νοσοῦσι τὴν νόσον, πῶς ἂν πείσαιο ὁμολογῆσαι τῆς ἀληθείας τὸ κήρυγμα; οὐ ταύτας καὶ τὰς τοιαύτας μαρτυρίας προσφέρων, ὡς οὐκ ἔστι Θεὸς μόνον διδάσκων, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἄνθρωπος ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστός; ΕΡΑΝ. Ἴσως τούτοις ἀνάγκη προσφέρειν. ΟΡΘ. Τοὺς δὲ πιστοὺς τί δήποτε μὴ διδάσχῃς τοῦ δόγματος τὴν ἀλήθειαν; ἣ ἐπιλέλησαι τῆς ἀποστολικῇ;; νομοθεσίας, ἕτοιμον εἶναι πρὸ; ἀπολογίαν παρεγγυώσης; Σκοπήσωμεν δὲ οὕτως. Ὁ ἄριστος στρατηὐγὸς μόνος τοῖς πολεμίοις συμπλέκεται, καὶ τοξεύει, καὶ ἀχοντίζει, καὶ φάλαγγα ῥήγνυσιν, ἣ καὶ τοὺς στρατιώτας χαθοπλίζει, καὶ τάττει, καὶ εἰς ἀνδρείαν τὰ τούτων παραθήγει φρονήματα; ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῦτο μᾶλλον ποιητέον αὐτῷ. ΟΡΘ. Οὐ γὰρ ἴδιον μὲν στρατηγοῦ, τὸ αὐτὸν μὲν προχινδυνεύειν, καὶ παρατάττεσθαι, τοὺς δὲ στρατιώτας ἐπ᾽ ἄμφω καθεύδειν ἐᾷν, ἀλλὰ καὶ τούτονς διεγείρειν εἰς τὴν παράπαξιν. ε ΟΡΘ. Τοῦτο καὶ ὁ θεῖος Παῦλος. Τοῖς γὰρ πεπιστευκόσιν ἐπιστέλλων ἔλεγεν ε« ᾿Αναλάδετε τὴν πᾶνοπλίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἵνα δυνηθῆτε ἀντιστῆναι πρὸς τὰς μεθοδείας τοῦ διαδόλου. » Καὶ πάλιν ε« Στῆτε οὖν περιζωσάμενοι τὰς ὀσφύας ὑμῶν ἐν ἀληθείᾳ, ν καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. ᾿Αναμνήσθητι δὲ ἃ καὶ ἔμπροσθεν εἰρῆκαμεν, ὅτι καὶ ἰατρὸς προστίθησι τὴν ἐλλείπουσαν τῇ φύσει ποιότητα. Εἰ γὰρ εὕροι πλεονάζουσαν τὴν ἢ ψυχρὰν, προστίθησι τὴν θερμὴν, καὶ ὡσαύτως τὰς ἄλλας" τοῦτο καὶ ὁ Ἰζύριος ἐποίησεν. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ ποῦ τοῦτο δείξεις πεποιηκότα τὸν Κι» ρίον:; ΟΡΘ. Ἕν τοῖς θείοις Εὐαγγελίοις. ΕΡΑΝ. Δεῖξον οὖν, καὶ πλέοωσον τὴν ὑπόσχεσιν. ΟΡΘ. Τί τὸν Σωτῆρα Χριστὸν ἐνόμιζον Ἰουδαῖοι; ΟΡΘ. Ὅτι δὲ καὶ Θεὸ; ἦν, παντάπασιν ἢγνόουν; ΟΡΘ. Τοιγάρτοι οὔτε μαθεῖν τοὺς ἀγνοοῦντας ἐχρῆν"; ΟΡΘ. “Ακουσὸν τοίνυν αὐτοῦ πρὸς αὐτοὺς λέγον- «ος᾿ « Πολλὰ ἔργα ὑπέδειξα ὑμῖν παρὰ τοῦ Πα- «ρός μου, διὰ ποῖον αὐτῶν λιθάζετέ με; ν Τῶν δὲ εἰρηκότων, « Περὶ καλοῦ ἔργου οὐ λιθάζομέν σε, ἀλλὰ περὶ βλασφημίας, ὅτι ἄνθρωπος ὧν ποιεῖς σεαυτὸν Θεὸν, » ἐπήγαγεν" ε« Ἐν τῷ νόμῳ ὑμῶν γέγραπται" Ἐγὼ εἶπον’ Θεοί ἐστε" εἰ ἐκείνους εἶπε θεοὺς, πρὸς οὗς ὁ λόγος τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ οὐ δύναται λυθῆναι ἡ Γραφή" ὃν ὁ Πατὴρ ἡγίασε καὶ ἀπέστειλεν εἰς τὸν κόσμον, ὑμεῖς λέγετε, ὅτι Βλασφημεῖς, ὅτι εἶπον Υἱὸς τοῦ Θεοῦ εἶναι; Εἰ οὐ ποιῶ τὰ ἔργα τοῦ Πατρός μου, μὴ πιστεύετέ μοι’ ὅτι ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ Πατρί μον, καὶ ὁ Πατὴρ ἐν ἐμοί ἐστιν. » ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐν οἷς ἀνέγνως ἀρτίως, ἔδειξας τὸν Κύριον τοῖς; Ἰουδαίοις Θεὸν ἑαυτὸν, οὐκ ἄνθρωπον δεί- ΟΡΘ. Οὐδὲ γὰρ ἐδέοντο μαθεῖν ὅπερ ἤδεισαν. Ὅτι γὰρ ἄνθρωπο; ἦν, ἤδεισαν’ ὅτι δὲ καὶ Θεὸς ὑπῆρχεν, οὐκ ἤδεισαν. Ταὐτὸ δὲ τοῦτο καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν Φαρισαίων πεποίηκεν. Ὡς; γὰρ ἀνθρώπῳ κοινῷ προσιόντας ἰδὼν, ἤρετο αὑτοὺς οὕτως ε Τί ὑμῖν δοκεῖ περὶ τοῦ Χριτοῦ; τίνος ἐστὶν υἱός; » Ἐχείνων δὲ εἰρηκότων, « Τοῦ Δαδ'δ, » αὑτὸς ἐπήγαγε" ε Πῶς οὖν Δαδ' ὃ ἐν πνεύματι Κύριον αὐτὸν καλεῖ; Εἶπε γὰρ, φησὶν, ὁ Κύριος τῷ Κυρίῳ μου - Κάθον ἐκ δεξιῶν μον. » Εἶτα συλλογίζεται" ε Εἰ οὖν Κύριος; αὐτοῦ ἔστι, πῶς υἱὸς αὑτοῦ ἐστι; »

ERAN. Ou sophōteron emauton tōn hagiōn didaskalōn hypeilēpha, all᾽ ouk heuriskō tēn tou onomatos ORTh. Tous oun arnoumenous tou Kyriou tēn ankai tous allous, hosoi tautēn nosousi tēn noson, pōs an peisaio homologēsai tēs alētheias to kērygma? ou tautas kai tas toiautas martyrias prospherōn, hōs ouk esti Theos monon didaskōn, alla kai anthrōpos ho Despotēs Christos? ERAN. Isōs toutois anankē prospherein. ORTh. Tous de pistous ti dēpote mē didaschę̄s tou dogmatos tēn alētheian? hē epilelēsai tēs apostolikę̄?? nomothesias, hetoimon einai pro? apologian parengyōsēs? Skopēsōmen de houtōs. Ho aristos stratēugos monos tois polemiois sympleketai, kai toxeuei, kai achontizei, kai phalanga rhēgnysin, hē kai tous stratiōtas chathoplizei, kai tattei, kai eis andreian ta toutōn parathēgei phronēmata? ERAN. Touto mallon poiēteon autǭ. ORTh. Ou gar idion men stratēgou, to auton men prochindyneuein, kai paratattesthai, tous de stratiōtas ep᾽ amphō katheudein eąn, alla kai toutons diegeirein eis tēn parapaxin. e ORTh. Touto kai ho theios Paulos. Tois gar pepisteukosin epistellōn elegen e« ᾿Analadete tēn panoplian tou Theou, hina dynēthēte antistēnai pros tas methodeias tou diadolou. » Kai palin e« Stēte oun perizōsamenoi tas osphyas hymōn en alētheią, n kai ta hexēs. ᾿Anamnēsthēti de ha kai emprosthen eirēkamen, hoti kai iatros prostithēsi tēn elleipousan tę̄ physei poiotēta. Ei gar heuroi pleonazousan tēn ē psychran, prostithēsi tēn thermēn, kai hōsautōs tas allas" touto kai ho Izyrios epoiēsen. ERAN. Kai pou touto deixeis pepoiēkota ton Ki» rion:? ORTh. Hen tois theiois Euangeliois. ERAN. Deixon oun, kai pleoōson tēn hyposchesin. ORTh. Ti ton Sōtēra Christon enomizon Ioudaioi? ORTh. Hoti de kai Theo? ēn, pantapasin ēgnooun? ORTh. Toigartoi oute mathein tous agnoountas echrēn"? ORTh. “Akouson toinyn autou pros autous legon- «os᾿ « Polla erga hypedeixa hymin para tou Pa- «ros mou, dia poion autōn lithazete me? n Tōn de eirēkotōn, « Peri kalou ergou ou lithazomen se, alla peri blasphēmias, hoti anthrōpos hōn poieis seauton Theon, » epēgagen" e« En tǭ nomǭ hymōn gegraptai" Egō eipon’ Theoi este" ei ekeinous eipe theous, pros hous ho logos tou Theou egeneto, kai ou dynatai lythēnai hē Graphē" hon ho Patēr hēgiase kai apesteilen eis ton kosmon, hymeis legete, hoti Blasphēmeis, hoti eipon Huios tou Theou einai? Ei ou poiō ta erga tou Patros mou, mē pisteuete moi’ hoti egō en tǭ Patri mon, kai ho Patēr en emoi estin. » ERAN. En hois anegnōs artiōs, edeixas ton Kyrion tois? Ioudaiois Theon heauton, ouk anthrōpon dei- ORTh. Oude gar edeonto mathein hoper ēdeisan. Hoti gar anthrōpo? ēn, ēdeisan’ hoti de kai Theos hypērchen, ouk ēdeisan. Tauto de touto kai epi tōn Pharisaiōn pepoiēken. Hōs? gar anthrōpǭ koinǭ prosiontas idōn, ēreto hautous houtōs e Ti hymin dokei peri tou Chritou? tinos estin huios? » Echeinōn de eirēkotōn, « Tou Dad'd, » hautos epēgage" e Pōs oun Dad' ho en pneumati Kyrion auton kalei? Eipe gar, phēsin, ho Kyrios tǭ Kyriǭ mou - Kathon ek dexiōn mon. » Eita syllogizetai" e Ei oun Kyrios? autou esti, pōs huios hautou esti? »

Eranistes: I have not supposed myself wiser than the holy teachers; but I do not find the [need] of the name. Orthodoxos: Those, then, who deny the Lord's [humanity], [Marcion and Mani] and the others who suffer from this disease, how could you persuade them to confess the proclamation of the truth, except by bringing forward these testimonies and others like them, teaching that the Master Christ is not only God but also human? Eranistes: Perhaps one must bring these forward to them. Orthodoxos: And why do you not teach the faithful the truth of the doctrine? Or have you forgotten the apostolic law that bids us be ready to make a defense? Let us consider it this way. Does the best general fight the enemy alone, and shoot arrows, and hurl javelins, and break the phalanx, or does he also arm the soldiers, draw them up, and whet their spirits to courage? Eranistes: This is rather what he must do. Orthodoxos: For it is not the part of a general to run the risks and stand in the line himself while letting the soldiers sleep on both ears, but to rouse them too to the battle. … Orthodoxos: This the divine Paul did too. For writing to those who had believed, he said, “Take up the whole armor of God, so that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.” And again, “Stand, then, having girded your loins with truth,” and what follows. And remember what we said earlier, that the physician too adds the quality that is lacking to the nature. For if he finds the cold excessive, he adds the hot, and likewise with the others. This the Lord also did. Eranistes: And where will you show that the Lord did this? Orthodoxos: In the divine Gospels. Eranistes: Show it, then, and fulfil your promise. Orthodoxos: What did the Jews think that the Savior Christ was? … Orthodoxos: And were they entirely ignorant that he was also God? … Orthodoxos: Then ought not those who were ignorant to learn? … Orthodoxos: Hear, then, what he says to them: “Many works I have shown you from my Father; for which of them do you stone me?” And when they had said, “We do not stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God,” he added: “In your law it is written, I said, You are gods. If he called them gods to whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken, do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not do the works of my Father, do not believe me; … that I am in my Father, and the Father is in me.” Eranistes: In what you have just read you have shown the Lord showing himself to the Jews as God, not as human. Orthodoxos: For they did not need to learn what they knew. That he was human they knew; that he was also God they did not know. He did this same thing with the Pharisees too. For, seeing them approach him as an ordinary man, he asked them thus: “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” And when they said, “David's,” he added: “How, then, does David in the Spirit call him Lord? For he says, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand.” Then he reasons: “If, then, he is his Lord, how is he his son?”

1 Pet 3:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 6:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 6:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:32 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:33 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:34 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:35 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:36 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:37 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:38 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 82:6 (81:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:42 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:43 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:45 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 110:1 (109:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that the faithful must be armed with the truth that Christ is human, as a general arms his soldiers, and that Christ taught each hearer what he lacked, showing the Jews and the Pharisees his Godhead because they already knew him as human.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (including Eranistes' short answers, and the end of John 10:37–38). The names in brackets are supplied from the list in 2.4. Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: 1 Pet 3:15; Eph 6:11, 14; John 10:32–38; Ps 82:6 (LXX 81:6); Matt 22:42–45; Ps 110:1 (LXX 109:1).

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; marginal Scripture references): 688, ( γεγῦίιδι18 ἀοοίτίμδμιι Δι οοἰδπίυγ ἢ Δηποη → ; πο ὕουπι ἰΔπίυπι, 56 ἀ οἶδ Ποιηΐηθπὶ 6856 (ἢ γδϑί. τα τα → ; 6 10 ον. χυ, 93. 5 Αοι. τὶ, 32. 535 Αοί. νη, ὃ. → .

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.11 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.12PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Κατὰ σαυτοῦ τὴν μαρτυρίαν παρήγαγες. ᾿Αναφανδὸν γὰρ ὁ Κύριος τοὺς Φαρισαίους ἐδίδαξε μὴ καλεῖν αὐτὸν υἱὸν Δαδὶδ, ἀλλὰ Κύριον Δαδίδ, Διὰ δὲ τούτων πέφανται Θεὸς καλεῖσθαι βουλόμενος, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ ἄνθρωπος. ΟΡΘ. Οὐ προσέσχες, ὡς ἔοικε, τῇ θείᾳ διδασκαλίᾳ. Οὐ γὰρ ἀνείλετο καλεῖσθαι υἱὸς Δαδὶδ, ἀλλὰ προσκέθειχε τὸ χρῆναι πιστεύεσθαι καὶ Κύριος εἶναι τοῦ Δαδίδ, Τοῦτο γὰρ διδάσκει σαφῶς τό" ε Εἰ οὖν Κύριος αὐτοῦ ἐστι, πῶς υἱὸς αὐτοῦ ἐστιν; » Οὐ γὰρ εἶπεν, Εἰ Κύριός ἐστιν, υἱὸς οὐκ ἔστιν ἀλλά" ε« Πῶς υἱὸς αὐτοῦ ἐστιν; » ἀντὶ τοῦ, κατά τι Κύριος, καὶ κατά τι υἱός. Ταῦτα δὲ ἄντικρυς καὶ τὴν θεότητα δείκνυσι, καὶ τὴν ἀνθρωπότητα. ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐ χρεία συλλογισμῶν. "Αντιχρὺυς γὰρ ὁ Κύριος ἐδίδαξεν, ὡς οὐ βούλεται καλεῖσθαι υἱὸς Δαδδ. ΟΡΘ. “Ἔδει τοίνυν καὶ τοὺς τυφλοὺς, καὶ τὴν Χαναναίαν, καὶ μέντοι καὶ τοὺς ὄχλουξ διδάξαι, μὴ καλεῖν αὑτὸν υἱὸν Δαδίδ. Καὶ γὰρ οἱ τυφλοὶ ἑδόων- « Υἱὲ Δαβὶδ, ἐλέησον ἡμᾶς. » Καὶ ἡ Χαναναία" « Δαδὶδ, ἐλέησόν με, ἡ θυγάτηρ μου κακῶς δαιμονίζεται" » καὶ τὸ πλῆθος" ε« ᾿Ωσαννὰ τῷ υἱῷ Δαδίδ' εὐλογημένος ὁ ἐρχόμενος ἐν ὀνόματι Κυρίου, » Καὶ οὐ μόνον οὐκ ἐδυσχέρανεν, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὴν πίστιν ἐπήνεσε. Τοὺς μὲν γὰρ τυφλοὺς τῆς μαχροτάτης νυκτὸς ἢλευσατο. ΤΥ δὲ Χαναναίας τὴν θυγατέρα χορυδαντιῶσαν καὶ μεμηννῖαν ἰάσατο, καὶ τὸν παμπόνηρον δαίμονα. Τῶν δέ γς ἀρχιερέων καὶ Φαρισαίων χαλεπαινόντων τοῖς βοῶσιν, « Ὡσαννὰ τῷ υἱῷ Δαβὶδ, ν» οὗ μόνον οὐκ Σχώλυσε τοὺς βοῶντας, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐόεὀαίωσς τὴν εὐφημίαν. ε« ᾿Αμὴν γὰρ, ἔφη, λέγω ὑμῖν, ΕΡΑΝ. Τούτων πρὸ τῆς ἀναστάσεως ἡ νείχετο τῶν προυσρημάτων, συγχατιὼν τῇ ἀσθενείᾳ τῶν μηδέποτε Ὑνησίως πεπιστευκότων᾽ μετὰ δὲ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, περιττὰ ταὐτὶ τὰ ὀνόματα. Τὸν οὖν μακάριον Παῦλον ποῦ τάξομεν, ἐν τοῖς τελείοις, ἣ ἐν τοῖς ἀτελέσιν; ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐ χρὴ παίξειν ἂν τοῖς σπουδαίοις. ΟΡΘ. Οὐ χρὴ τῆς τῶν θείων λογίων ὀλιγωρεῖν ἀναγνώσεως. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ τίς οὕτω τρισάθλιος, ὡς τῆς οἰκείας ἀμελεῖν σωτηρίας; ΟΡΘ. ᾿Απόκριναι πρὸς τὴν ἐρώτησιν, καὶ μαθήσῃ πὖν ἄγνοιαν. ΟΡΘ. Ποῦ τάττομεν τὸν θεῖον ᾿Απόστολον : ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὡς ἐν τοῖς τελειοτάτοις, καὶ τῶν τελείων διδασκάλων. ΟΡΘ. Πότε δὲ τοῦ χηρύγμαχτος Ἦρξατο, ΕΡΑΝ. Μετὰ τὴν τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἀνάληψιν, καὶ τὴν ἀστοῦ Πνεύματος ἐπιφοίτησιν, καὶ τὴν Στεφάνον τοῦ ΟΡΘ. Οὗτος παρ᾽ αὐτὸ τοῦ βίου τὸ τέλος ἐσχάτην γράφων ἐπιστολὴν Τιμοθέῳ τῷ μαθητῇ, καὶ οἷόν τινα κλῆρον αὐτῷ πατρῷον κατὰ διαθήκας παραδιδοὺς, καὶ ταῦτα τέθεικε᾽ ε« Μνημόνευε Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐγηγερμένον ἐκ νεκρῶν ἐκ σπέρματος Δαθδὶδ κατὰ τὸ Εὐαγγέλιόνεμου. ν» Ὑπέδειξε δὲ καὶ τὰ ὑπὲρ τοῦ Εὐαγγελίου παθήματα, καὶ ταύτῃ δεικνὺς τὴν τοῦ Εὐαγγελίον ἀλήθειαν. « Ἐν ᾧ γὰρ, ἔφη, καχοπαθῶ μέχρι δεσμῶν ὡς κακοῦργος. » Πολλὰς δὲ καὶ ἄλλας τοιάσδε μαρτυρίας ῥάδιον ἦν μοι παραγαγεῖν, ἀλλὰ

ERAN. Kata sautou tēn martyrian parēgages. ᾿Anaphandon gar ho Kyrios tous Pharisaious edidaxe mē kalein auton huion Dadid, alla Kyrion Dadid, Dia de toutōn pephantai Theos kaleisthai boulomenos, all᾽ ouk anthrōpos. ORTh. Ou prosesches, hōs eoike, tę̄ theią didaskalią. Ou gar aneileto kaleisthai huios Dadid, alla prosketheiche to chrēnai pisteuesthai kai Kyrios einai tou Dadid, Touto gar didaskei saphōs to" e Ei oun Kyrios autou esti, pōs huios autou estin? » Ou gar eipen, Ei Kyrios estin, huios ouk estin alla" e« Pōs huios autou estin? » anti tou, kata ti Kyrios, kai kata ti huios. Tauta de antikrys kai tēn theotēta deiknysi, kai tēn anthrōpotēta. ERAN. Ou chreia syllogismōn. "Antichryys gar ho Kyrios edidaxen, hōs ou bouletai kaleisthai huios Dadd. ORTh. “Edei toinyn kai tous typhlous, kai tēn Chananaian, kai mentoi kai tous ochloux didaxai, mē kalein hauton huion Dadid. Kai gar hoi typhloi hedoōn- « Huie Dabid, eleēson hēmas. » Kai hē Chananaia" « Dadid, eleēson me, hē thygatēr mou kakōs daimonizetai" » kai to plēthos" e« ᾿Ōsanna tǭ huiǭ Dadid' eulogēmenos ho erchomenos en onomati Kyriou, » Kai ou monon ouk edyscheranen, alla kai tēn pistin epēnese. Tous men gar typhlous tēs machrotatēs nyktos ēleusato. TY de Chananaias tēn thygatera chorydantiōsan kai memēnnian iasato, kai ton pamponēron daimona. Tōn de gs archiereōn kai Pharisaiōn chalepainontōn tois boōsin, « Hōsanna tǭ huiǭ Dabid, n» hou monon ouk Schōlyse tous boōntas, alla kai eoeoaiōss tēn euphēmian. e« ᾿Amēn gar, ephē, legō hymin, ERAN. Toutōn pro tēs anastaseōs hē neicheto tōn prousrēmatōn, synchatiōn tę̄ astheneią tōn mēdepote Hynēsiōs pepisteukotōn᾽ meta de tēn anastasin, peritta tauti ta onomata. Ton oun makarion Paulon pou taxomen, en tois teleiois, hē en tois atelesin? ERAN. Ou chrē paixein an tois spoudaiois. ORTh. Ou chrē tēs tōn theiōn logiōn oligōrein anagnōseōs. ERAN. Kai tis houtō trisathlios, hōs tēs oikeias amelein sōtērias? ORTh. ᾿Apokrinai pros tēn erōtēsin, kai mathēsę̄ pyn agnoian. ORTh. Pou tattomen ton theion ᾿Apostolon : ERAN. Dēlon hōs en tois teleiotatois, kai tōn teleiōn didaskalōn. ORTh. Pote de tou chērygmachtos Ērxato, ERAN. Meta tēn tou Sōtēros analēpsin, kai tēn astou Pneumatos epiphoitēsin, kai tēn Stephanon tou ORTh. Houtos par᾽ auto tou biou to telos eschatēn graphōn epistolēn Timotheǭ tǭ mathētę̄, kai hoion tina klēron autǭ patrǭon kata diathēkas paradidous, kai tauta tetheike᾽ e« Mnēmoneue Iēsoun Christon egēgermenon ek nekrōn ek spermatos Dathdid kata to Euangelionemou. n» Hypedeixe de kai ta hyper tou Euangeliou pathēmata, kai tautę̄ deiknys tēn tou Euangelion alētheian. « En hǭ gar, ephē, kachopathō mechri desmōn hōs kakourgos. » Pollas de kai allas toiasde martyrias rhadion ēn moi paragagein, alla

Eranistes: You have brought forward a testimony against yourself. For the Lord openly taught the Pharisees not to call him son of David but Lord of David. By this he has shown that he wished to be called God, not human. Orthodoxos: You did not attend, it seems, to the divine teaching. For he did not refuse to be called son of David, but added that he must also be believed to be Lord of David. For this is what “If, then, he is his Lord, how is he his son?” clearly teaches. For he did not say, “If he is Lord, he is not son,” but “How is he his son?”, that is, in one respect Lord, and in another son. And this plainly shows both the Godhead and the humanity. Eranistes: There is no need of syllogisms. For the Lord plainly taught that he does not wish to be called son of David. Orthodoxos: Then he ought to have taught the blind men, and the Canaanite woman, and indeed the crowds not to call him son of David. For the blind men cried, “Son of David, have mercy on us”; and the Canaanite woman, “[Son of] David, have mercy on me; my daughter is badly possessed by a demon”; and the multitude, “Hosanna to the son of David; blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.” And not only was he not displeased, but he even praised their faith. For he freed the blind men from their very long night; he healed the Canaanite woman's daughter, frenzied and raving, and [drove out] the most wicked demon. And when the chief priests and Pharisees were angry with those who cried, “Hosanna to the son of David,” not only did he not stop those who cried out, but he even confirmed the acclamation. “For truly, I say to you,” he said, … Eranistes: Before the resurrection he [accepted] these titles, condescending to the weakness of those who had never truly believed; but after the resurrection these names are superfluous. [Orthodoxos:] Where, then, shall we place the blessed Paul: among the perfect, or among the imperfect? Eranistes: One should not jest in serious matters. Orthodoxos: One should not neglect the reading of the divine oracles. Eranistes: And who is so thrice-wretched as to neglect his own salvation? Orthodoxos: Answer the question, and you will learn [your] ignorance. … Orthodoxos: Where do we place the divine Apostle? Eranistes: Clearly among the most perfect, and as the teacher of the perfect. Orthodoxos: And when did he begin his preaching? Eranistes: After the ascension of the Savior, and the coming of the [Holy] Spirit, and [the death] of Stephen … Orthodoxos: This man, at the very end of his life, writing his last letter to Timothy his disciple, and handing it to him by testament as a kind of inheritance from his father, set down this too: “Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, of the seed of David, according to my gospel.” And he pointed also to the sufferings he bore for the gospel, showing by this the truth of the gospel. “For in it,” he said, “I suffer hardship to the point of chains, as a criminal.” It would be easy for me to bring forward many other such testimonies, but …

Matt 22:45 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 9:27 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 15:28 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 21:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 21:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 19:40 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 7:58 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Tim 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:9 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Orthodoxos shows that Christ accepted the title 'son of David' from the blind men, the Canaanite woman and the crowds, and that Paul, near death and long after the resurrection, still called him 'of the seed of David' (2 Tim 2:8).

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (including the end of Christ's reply, Luke 19:40). Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Matt 22:45; Matt 9:27; Matt 15:22, 28; Matt 21:9, 15–16; Luke 19:39–40; Acts 7:58–8:1; 2 Tim 2:8–9.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.12 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.13PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Ὑποσχόμενος δείξειν, τὸν Κύριον τὴν ἐλλεί. πουσαν διδασκαλίαν προστιθέντα τοῖς δεομένοις, ὅτι μὲν τοῖς Φαρισαίοις γαὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις Ἰουδαίοις, περὶ τῆς οἰκείας διελέχθη θεότητος, εἴρηκας" ὅτι δέ γε καὶ τὴν περὶ τῆς σαρχὴς διδασκαλίαν προσήνεγκεν, οὐκ ἀπέδειξας. ΟΡΘ. Μάλιστα μὲν περιττὸν ἣν περὶ τῆς ὁρωμένης διαλεχθῆναι σαρκός: ἐναργῶς γὰρ ἑωρᾶτο, καὶ Πλὴν ὅμως, ἵνα τὰ πρὸ τοῦ πάθους παρῶ, πολλά γε ὄντα καὶ διάφορα, μετὰ τὴν ἀνάστασιν ἀπιστοῦσι τοῖς ἀποστόλοις, οὐ τὴν θεότητα, ἀλλὰ τὴν ἀνθρωπότητὰα ἔδειξε ε Βλέπετε γὰρ, φησὶ, τὰς χεῖράς μου με, καὶ ἴδετε, ὅτι πνεῦμα σάρκα καὶ ὀστέα: οὐκ ἔχει, καθὼς ἐμὲ θεωρεῖτε ἔχοντα. ν Ἰδού σοι πεπληρώχαμὲν τὴν ὑπόσχεσιν ἐδείξαμεν γὰρ τοῖς μὲν ἀγνοοῦσι τὴν θεότητα, τὴν περὶ ταύτης προσενεχθεῖσαν διδαὀχαλίαν" τοῖς δὲ ἀπιστοῦσι τῇ τῆς σαρκὸς ἀναστάσει, ταύτην ἐπιδειχθεῖσαν᾽ παῦσαι τοίνυν φιλονεικῶν, καὶ τὰς δύο τοῦ Σωτῆρος ὁμολόγησαι φύσεις, ΕΡΑΝ. Δύο πρὸ τῆς ἐνώσεως ἦσαν " συνελθοῦσα, δὲ μίαν ἀπετέλεσαν φύσιν. ΟΡΘ. Πότε δὲ: φὴς γεγενῇσθαε τὴν ἕνωσιν : ΕΡΑΝ. Εὐθὺς ἐγὼ λέγω παρὰ τὴν σύλληψιν. ΟΡΘ. Τὸν δὲ Θεὸν Λόγον οὐ προῦπάρχειν τῆς δυλ- ΕΡΆΝ. Πρὸ τῶν αἰώνων εἶναί φημ. ΟΡΘ. Τὴν δὲ σάρκα ϑὐνυπάρχειν αὐτῷ ἘΡΑΝ. Οὐ δῆτα., ῖ ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐκ Πνεύματος ἁγίου μετὰ τῆν τοῦ ἀγπρόῤῥησιν; ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν οὐ δύο ἦσαν πρὸ τῆς ἐρξὰως φύσεις, ἀλλὰ μία μόνη. Εἰ γὰρ προῦπάρχει μὲν ἣ θεόζης, ἡ δέ γε ἀνθρωπότης οὐ συνυπάρχει " διεπλάσθη γὰρ μενὰ τὸν ἀγγελικὸν ἀσπασμὸν, συνῆπται δὲ τῇ διαπλάσει ἡ ἕνωσις " μία ἄρα φύσις πρὸ τῆς ἐνώσεως ἦν, ἡ ἀεὶ οὖσα, καὶ πρὸ τῶν αἰώνων οὖσα. ᾿Αλλὰ γὰρ καὶ αὖθις αὐτὸ τοῦτο σκοπήσωμεν. Τὴν σάρκωσιν, ἤγουν ἐνανθρώπησιν, ἄλλο τι νομίζεις παρὰ τὴν ἕνωσιν : ὌΡΘ. Συνῆπται δὲ τῇ προσλήψει ἡ ἕνωσις : ὍΡΘ. Μία οὖν φύσις πρὸ τῆς ἐνανθρωπήσεως ἦν. ΕΔ γὰρ ταὐτὸν ξἕνωσίς τε καὶ ἐνανθρώπησις, ἕνηνθρώπησε δὲ τὴν ἀνθρωπείαν φύσιν λαδὼν, ἔλαθε δὲ ἢ τοῦ Θεοῦ μορφὴ τὴν τοῦ δούλου μορφὴν, μία ἄρα φύσις ἡ θεία πρὸ τῆς ἑνώσεως ἦν. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ πῶς ταὐτὸν ἔνῦσις τε : καὶ εὐαυθρώ: ΟΡΘ. αν εξ τ ϑὰς ἀρείω: μὴ διαφέρειν τὰυτὶ «τὰ ὀνόματα. ΕΡΑΝ. Τοῖς σοῖς με παρεχρούσω συλλογισμοῖς. καὶ τοὺς πόδας μου, ὅτι αὐτὸς ἐγώ εἶμι" ψηλαφήσατέ ΟΡΘ. Τὸν αὑτὸν οὖν, εἰ δοχεΐῖ, πάλιν ἀναλάδωμεν Ὁ λόγον. ᾿ ΟΡΘ. Ἡ σάρχωσις πρὸς τὴν ἐκθ ἔχει διαφορὰν κατὰ τὴν τοῦ πράγματος φυσι; ΕΡΑΝ. “Πλείστην μὲν οὖν. ΟΡΘ. Δίδαξον τὰ εἴδη ταύτης ΕΡΑΝ, Καὶ αὐτὸς τῶν ὀνομάτων "ὁ νοῦς δηλοῖ τὸ διάφορον. Ἡ μὲν γὰρ σάρχωσις τῆς δαρχὸς δηλοῖ τὴν ἀνάληψιν " ἢ δέ γε ἕνωσις, τὴν τῶν διεστώτων συνάφειαν. ἐν’ ρον τὸ λει τος ρου «ἰδοῦ ηρη δὲ τὴν σαρκωσιν τῆς ἑνώσεως λέγεις :

ERAN. Hyposchomenos deixein, ton Kyrion tēn ellei. pousan didaskalian prostithenta tois deomenois, hoti men tois Pharisaiois gai tois allois Ioudaiois, peri tēs oikeias dielechthē theotētos, eirēkas" hoti de ge kai tēn peri tēs sarchēs didaskalian prosēnenken, ouk apedeixas. ORTh. Malista men peritton hēn peri tēs horōmenēs dialechthēnai sarkos: enargōs gar heōrato, kai Plēn homōs, hina ta pro tou pathous parō, polla ge onta kai diaphora, meta tēn anastasin apistousi tois apostolois, ou tēn theotēta, alla tēn anthrōpotētaa edeixe e Blepete gar, phēsi, tas cheiras mou me, kai idete, hoti pneuma sarka kai ostea: ouk echei, kathōs eme theōreite echonta. n Idou soi peplērōchamen tēn hyposchesin edeixamen gar tois men agnoousi tēn theotēta, tēn peri tautēs prosenechtheisan didaochalian" tois de apistousi tę̄ tēs sarkos anastasei, tautēn epideichtheisan᾽ pausai toinyn philoneikōn, kai tas dyo tou Sōtēros homologēsai physeis, ERAN. Dyo pro tēs enōseōs ēsan " synelthousa, de mian apetelesan physin. ORTh. Pote de: phēs gegenę̄sthae tēn henōsin : ERAN. Euthys egō legō para tēn syllēpsin. ORTh. Ton de Theon Logon ou prouparchein tēs dyl- ERAN. Pro tōn aiōnōn einai phēm. ORTh. Tēn de sarka ϑynyparchein autǭ ERAN. Ou dēta., i ORTh. ᾿All᾽ ek Pneumatos hagiou meta tēn tou agprorrhēsin? ORTh. Oukoun ou dyo ēsan pro tēs erxaōs physeis, alla mia monē. Ei gar prouparchei men hē theozēs, hē de ge anthrōpotēs ou synyparchei " dieplasthē gar mena ton angelikon aspasmon, synēptai de tę̄ diaplasei hē henōsis " mia ara physis pro tēs enōseōs ēn, hē aei ousa, kai pro tōn aiōnōn ousa. ᾿Alla gar kai authis auto touto skopēsōmen. Tēn sarkōsin, ēgoun enanthrōpēsin, allo ti nomizeis para tēn henōsin : ORTh. Synēptai de tę̄ proslēpsei hē henōsis : HoRTh. Mia oun physis pro tēs enanthrōpēseōs ēn. ED gar tauton xenōsis te kai enanthrōpēsis, henēnthrōpēse de tēn anthrōpeian physin ladōn, elathe de ē tou Theou morphē tēn tou doulou morphēn, mia ara physis hē theia pro tēs henōseōs ēn. ERAN. Kai pōs tauton enysis te : kai euauthrō: ORTh. an ex t ϑas areiō: mē diapherein tauti «ta onomata. ERAN. Tois sois me parechrousō syllogismois. kai tous podas mou, hoti autos egō eimi" psēlaphēsate ORTh. Ton hauton oun, ei docheïi, palin analadōmen Ho logon. ᾿ ORTh. Hē sarchōsis pros tēn ekth echei diaphoran kata tēn tou pragmatos physi? ERAN. “Pleistēn men oun. ORTh. Didaxon ta eidē tautēs ERAN, Kai autos tōn onomatōn "ho nous dēloi to diaphoron. Hē men gar sarchōsis tēs darchos dēloi tēn analēpsin " ē de ge henōsis, tēn tōn diestōtōn synapheian. en’ ron to lei tos rou «idou ērē de tēn sarkōsin tēs henōseōs legeis :

Eranistes: You promised to show the Lord adding the missing teaching for those who needed it. You have said that he discoursed to the Pharisees and the other Jews about his own Godhead; but you have not shown that he also offered the teaching about the flesh. Orthodoxos: It was quite superfluous to discourse about the flesh that was seen, for it was plainly seen, and … However, to pass over what came before the passion, which is much and varied, after the resurrection he showed the disbelieving apostles not his Godhead but his humanity. “For see,” he says, “my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” See, we have fulfilled our promise; for we have shown that to those who did not know the Godhead the teaching about it was offered, and to those who disbelieved the resurrection of the flesh, the flesh was shown. Stop contending, then, and confess the two natures of the Savior. Eranistes: There were two before the union; but having come together they made one nature. Orthodoxos: And when do you say that the union took place? Eranistes: I say, immediately at the conception. Orthodoxos: And did not God the Word exist before the conception? Eranistes: I say that he is before the ages. Orthodoxos: And did the flesh coexist with him? Eranistes: Certainly not. Orthodoxos: But [it was formed] by the Holy Spirit after the angel's greeting? … Orthodoxos: Then there were not two natures before the union, but one only. For if the Godhead pre-exists, but the humanity does not coexist with it (for it was formed after the angelic greeting, and the union is joined to the forming), then there was one nature before the union, the one that always is and is before the ages. But let us examine this very point again. Do you think that the incarnation, or becoming human, is something other than the union? … Orthodoxos: And the union is joined to the assumption? … Orthodoxos: Then there was one nature before the incarnation. For if union and becoming human are the same, and he became human by taking human nature, and the form of God took the form of the servant, then there was one nature, the divine, before the union. Eranistes: And how are union and becoming human the same? Orthodoxos: … that these names do not differ. Eranistes: You have tricked me with your syllogisms. Orthodoxos: Let us take up the same argument again, if you like. … Orthodoxos: Does the incarnation have any difference from the union in the nature of the matter? Eranistes: A very great one. Orthodoxos: Teach me the kinds of this [difference]. Eranistes: The very sense of the names shows the difference. For incarnation indicates the assumption of the flesh, and union the joining of things that were apart. … Orthodoxos: [And do you say that] the incarnation [came before] the union?

Luke 24:39 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 1:28 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 1:35 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Orthodoxos shows that the risen Christ proved his humanity to the apostles, and argues against Eranistes' 'two natures before the union, one after' that before the union there was only one nature, the Word's, since the flesh did not pre-exist.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. The words 'and my feet, that it is I myself; touch' are displaced in the OCR to a later line; the quotation is translated whole. Migne's Latin column and marginal references read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: Luke 24:39; Luke 1:28, 35; Phil 2:6–7.

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  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters; marginal Scripture references): τι, 3. 35 1014. 9. → ; τα 15, ν» Εσδρα ἰῃἀᾷ δᾶ ἢ) 6886 7 Ἧτο Ὁ. ΕΡΑΝ. Νοῃ. δὰ νος → ; ἰῃ- Ποῖῃ. οἶδ πὶ ἐἱλέγεις → λέγεις.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.13 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.14PG 83

ΟΡΘ. ᾿᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐν τῇ συλλήψει γεγενῆσθαε τὴν ἕνωσιν : ΟΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν εἰ μηδὲ τὸ ἀκαριαῖον τοῦ χρόνου τῆς λήψεως τῆς σαρκὸς καὶ τῆς ἑνώσεως γεγένηται μέσον, ἡ δὲ ληφθεῖσα φύσις οὐ προῦπῆρχε τῆς λή- Ψεὼς καὶ ἐνώσεως " ταὐτὸ μὲν πρᾶγμα σημαίνουσι σάρχωτίς τε καὶ ἕνωσις" μία δὲ ἄρα φύσις πρὸ τῆς ἑνώσεως ἤγουν σαρκώσεως ἧν, μετὰ δέ γε τὴν ἕνωσιν, δύο λέγειν προσήκει, τὴν τε λαδοῦσαν, καὶ τὴ» ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐκ δύο φύσεων λέγω τὸν Χριστὸν, δύο δὰ φύσεις οὐ λέγω. ΟΡΘ. Ἑρμήνευσον ἡμῖν, πῶς τὸ ἐκ δύο φύσεων λέγεις, ὡς τὸν χρυσόπαστον ἄργνρον, ὡς τὴν τοῦ ΕΡΑΝ. Οὐδενὶ τούτων ἑοικέναι τήνδε τὴν ἕνωσιν λέγω" ἄῤῥητός τε γάρ ἔστι, καὶ ἄφραστος, καὶ ΟΡΘ. Ὁμολογῶ χἀγὼ μὴ ἐφικτὸν εἶναι τὸν τῆς ἑνώσεως λόγον. Ὅτι δέ γε φύσις ἑκατέρα καὶ μετὰ τὴν ἕνωσιν μεμένηχεν ἀχοαιφνὴς, παρὰ τῆς θείας ἐδιδάχθην Γραφῆς. ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ ποῦ τοῦτο ἐδίδαξεν ἡ θεία Γραφὴ; ΟΡΘ. Πᾶσα ταύτης ἐστὶ τῆς διδασκαλίας ἀνά» ΕΡΑΝ. Δὸς ὧν λέγεις τὰς ἀποδείξεις. ΟΡΘ. Σὺ γὰρ οὐκ ὁμολογεῖς φύσεως ἑκατέρας τὰ ἴδια : ΕΡΑΝ. Μετὰ τὴν ἕνωσιν οὐδαμῶς. ΟΡΘ. Τοῦτο τοίνυν αὐτὸ παρὰ τῆς θείας διδαχθῶμὲν Γραφῆς. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἑτγὼ πείθομαι τῇ θείᾳ Γραφῇ. ΟΡΘ. Ὅταν τοίνυν ἀκούσῃς Ἰωάννου τοῦ θεσπεσίου βοῶντος" ε« Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἣν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος" » καί " ε Πάντα δι᾽ αὑτοῦ ἐγένετο, » καὶ τὰ ἄλλα ὅσα τοιαῦτα "» τὴν σάρκα λέγεις ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν εἶναι, καὶ φύσει Θεὸν εἶναι, καὶ πάντα πεποιηκέναι, ἢ τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον τὸν πρὸ τῶν αἰώνων ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γε- ΕΡΑΝ. Τῷ μὲν Θεῷ Λόγῳ ταῦτα προσήκειν φημί " οὐ χωρίξω δὲ αὐτὸν τῆς ἡνωμένης σαρκός. ΟΡΘ. υὔτε χωρίζομεν τοῦ Θεοῦ Λόγου τὴν σάρκα, οὔτε σύγχυσιν ποιοῦμεν τὴν ἕνωσιν. ΕΡΑΝ. Ἐγὼ μίαν οἷδα μετὰ τὴν ἔνωσιν φύσιν. ΟΡΘ. Οἱ εὐαγγελισταὶ τὰ Εὐαγγέλια πηνίκα συνἐγραψαν; πρὸ τῆς ἑνώσεως, ἣ μετὰ πλεῖστον τῆς ἐνώσεως χρόνον; ΕΡΑΝ. Δῆλον ὅτι μετὰ τὴν ἕνωσιν, καὶ τὴν γέννήσιν, καὶ τὰ θαύματα, καὶ τὸ πάθος, καὶ τὴν ἀνάστασιν, καὶ τὴν εἰς οὐρανοὺς ἀνάληψιν, καὶ τὰν τοῦ ΟΡΘ. “Ακουσὸν τοίνυν τοῦ μὲν Ἰωάννου λέγοντος α «- Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἣν πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. Οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς πὸν Θεόν. Πάντα δι᾽ αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο, καὶ χωρὶς αὑτοῦ ἐγένετο οὐδὲ ἕν, ν καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς " τοῦ δὲ Ματθαίου ᾿ Ὁ Βίόλος γενέσεως Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, υἱοῦ Δαδὶδ, υἱοῦ ᾿Αδραὰμ, ν καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. Καὶ ὁ Λουκᾶς δὲ αὐτὸν Αδραὰμ. καὶ νυν ταῦτα κἀκεῖνα φύσει μιᾷ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐκ ἂν δύναιο" ἐναντίον γὰρ τῷ ἐν ἀρχῇ εἶναι, τὸ ἐξ ᾿Αδραὰμ εἶναι, καὶ τῷ πάντα πεποιηκέναι, τὸ κτιστὸν πρόγονον ἘΡΑΝ. Ταῦτα λέγων εἰς δύο πρόσωπα τὸν μονο-

ORTh. ᾿᾿All᾽ en tę̄ syllēpsei gegenēsthae tēn henōsin : ORTh. Oukoun ei mēde to akariaion tou chronou tēs lēpseōs tēs sarkos kai tēs henōseōs gegenētai meson, hē de lēphtheisa physis ou proupērche tēs lē- Pseōs kai enōseōs " tauto men pragma sēmainousi sarchōtis te kai henōsis" mia de ara physis pro tēs henōseōs ēgoun sarkōseōs hēn, meta de ge tēn henōsin, dyo legein prosēkei, tēn te ladousan, kai tē» ERAN. Ek dyo physeōn legō ton Christon, dyo da physeis ou legō. ORTh. Hermēneuson hēmin, pōs to ek dyo physeōn legeis, hōs ton chrysopaston argnron, hōs tēn tou ERAN. Oudeni toutōn heoikenai tēnde tēn henōsin legō" arrhētos te gar esti, kai aphrastos, kai ORTh. Homologō chagō mē ephikton einai ton tēs henōseōs logon. Hoti de ge physis hekatera kai meta tēn henōsin memenēchen achoaiphnēs, para tēs theias edidachthēn Graphēs. ERAN. Kai pou touto edidaxen hē theia Graphē? ORTh. Pasa tautēs esti tēs didaskalias ana» ERAN. Dos hōn legeis tas apodeixeis. ORTh. Sy gar ouk homologeis physeōs hekateras ta idia : ERAN. Meta tēn henōsin oudamōs. ORTh. Touto toinyn auto para tēs theias didachthōmen Graphēs. ERAN. Hetgō peithomai tę̄ theią Graphę̄. ORTh. Hotan toinyn akousę̄s Iōannou tou thespesiou boōntos" e« En archę̄ hēn ho Logos, kai ho Logos ēn pros ton Theon, kai Theos ēn ho Logos" » kai " e Panta di᾽ hautou egeneto, » kai ta alla hosa toiauta "» tēn sarka legeis en archę̄ pros ton Theon einai, kai physei Theon einai, kai panta pepoiēkenai, ē ton Theon Logon ton pro tōn aiōnōn ek tou Patros ge- ERAN. Tǭ men Theǭ Logǭ tauta prosēkein phēmi " ou chōrixō de auton tēs hēnōmenēs sarkos. ORTh. yyte chōrizomen tou Theou Logou tēn sarka, oute synchysin poioumen tēn henōsin. ERAN. Egō mian hoida meta tēn enōsin physin. ORTh. Hoi euangelistai ta Euangelia pēnika synegrapsan? pro tēs henōseōs, hē meta pleiston tēs enōseōs chronon? ERAN. Dēlon hoti meta tēn henōsin, kai tēn gennēsin, kai ta thaumata, kai to pathos, kai tēn anastasin, kai tēn eis ouranous analēpsin, kai tan tou ORTh. “Akouson toinyn tou men Iōannou legontos a «- En archę̄ ēn ho Logos, kai ho Logos hēn pros ton Theon, kai Theos ēn ho Logos. Houtos ēn en archę̄ pros pon Theon. Panta di᾽ autou egeneto, kai chōris hautou egeneto oude hen, n kai ta hexēs " tou de Matthaiou ᾿ Ho Biolos geneseōs Iēsou Christou, huiou Dadid, huiou ᾿Adraam, n kai ta hexēs. Kai ho Loukas de auton Adraam. kai nyn tauta kakeina physei mią. ᾿All᾽ ouk an dynaio" enantion gar tǭ en archę̄ einai, to ex ᾿Adraam einai, kai tǭ panta pepoiēkenai, to ktiston progonon ERAN. Tauta legōn eis dyo prosōpa ton mono-

Orthodoxos: But [you say that] the union took place in the conception? … Orthodoxos: Then if not even the briefest instant of time came between the taking of the flesh and the union, and the nature that was taken did not exist before the taking and the union, then incarnation and union signify the same thing; and so there was one nature before the union, or incarnation, but after the union it is fitting to speak of two, the one that took and the one that was taken. Eranistes: I say that Christ is from two natures, but I do not say two natures. Orthodoxos: Explain to us how you mean “from two natures”: as silver sprinkled with gold, as the … Eranistes: I say that this union resembles none of these; for it is unspeakable and inexpressible and … Orthodoxos: I too confess that the account of the union is beyond our reach. But that each nature remained intact even after the union, I was taught by the divine Scripture. Eranistes: And where did the divine Scripture teach this? Orthodoxos: All of it is full of this teaching. Eranistes: Give the proofs of what you say. Orthodoxos: Do you not confess the properties of each nature? Eranistes: After the union, by no means. Orthodoxos: Then let us learn this very point from the divine Scripture. Eranistes: I obey the divine Scripture. Orthodoxos: When, then, you hear the inspired John crying, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” and “All things came to be through him,” and all the others of this kind, do you say that the flesh was in the beginning with God, and is God by nature, and made all things, or God the Word, begotten of the Father before the ages? Eranistes: I say that these things belong to God the Word; but I do not separate him from the flesh united to him. Orthodoxos: We neither separate the flesh from God the Word, nor make the union a confusion. Eranistes: I know one nature after the union. Orthodoxos: When did the evangelists write the Gospels? Before the union, or a very long time after the union? Eranistes: Clearly after the union, and the birth, and the miracles, and the passion, and the resurrection, and the ascension into heaven, and the [coming of the Spirit] … Orthodoxos: Hear, then, John saying, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be,” and what follows; and Matthew, “The book of the genesis of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham,” and what follows. And Luke too [traces] him … Abraham. [Fit] both these and those to one nature, then. But you could not; for being from Abraham is contrary to being in the beginning, and having a created ancestor to having made all things. Eranistes: By saying these things you [divide] the Only-[begotten] into two persons.

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Summary: Orthodoxos argues that incarnation and union are simultaneous, so there are two natures after the union, not before; Eranistes says 'from two natures' but not 'two natures', and Orthodoxos answers that John 1:1–3 and the genealogies cannot both be fitted to one nature.

  • Lines have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed. Eranistes' formula 'from two natures, not two natures' and Orthodoxos' 'each nature remained intact (ἀκραιφνής) after the union' are the point at issue in the Christological controversy of the 440s; translated exactly. Scripture: John 1:1–3; Matt 1:1; Luke 3:23–38.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.14 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

2.15PG 83

ΟΡΘ. Ἕνα μὲν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ καὶ οἶδα καὶ προσκυνῶ, τὸν Κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν " τῆς δὲ θεότητὸς καὶ τῆς ἀνθρωπότητος τὴν διαφορὰν ἐδιδάχθην. Σὺ δέ γε ὁ μίαν λέγων μετὰ τὴν ἕνωσιν γεγενῆσθαι φύσιν, προσάρμοσον ταὐύτῃ τὰ τῶν Εὐαγγελίων προοίμια. ΕΡΑΝ. Ὡς; ἔοικεν, ἰσχυρὰν ἄγαν καὶ ἴσως ἀμήχανον ὑπολαμθάνεις τὴν πρότασιν " ἔστω σοι ῥᾳδία καὶ εὐπετὴς, μόνον ἡμῖν τὸ ζητούμενον λύσον. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αμφότερα τῷ Δεσπότῃ προσήκει Χριστῷ, καὶ τὸ ἐν ἀρχῇ εἶναι, καὶ τὸ ἐξ ᾿Αὐραὰμ καὶ Δαδὶδ κατὰ σάρκα βλαστῆσαι. ΕΡΑΝ. Μίαν μετὰ τὴν ἔνωσιν οὐ χρῆναι λέγειν ἐνομοθέτησας φύσιν" τὸν οἰκεῖον τοίνυν μὴ παραδῇς νόμον, μεμνημένος σαρκός. ΟΡΘ. Καὶ δίχα τοῦ μνημονεῦσαι σαρκὸς λῦσαι " τὴν πρότασιν εὐπετές “ ἀμφότερα γὰρ τῷ Σωτῆρι ἘΡΑΝ. Κἀγὼ ταῦτα κἀκεῖνα προσέχειν φημὶ τῷ Δεσπότη Χριστῷ. ΟΡΘ. ᾿Αλλὰ δύο φύσεις ἐν αὐτῷ θεωρῶν, καὶ ἕκα- «ἐρᾳ προσνέμων τὰ πρόσφορα. Εἰ δὲ μία φύσις ἐστὶν ὁ Χριστὸς, πῶς οἷόν τε αὐτῇ προσαρμόσαι τὰ ἕναν- «ίἰα; Ἐναντίον γὰρ τῷ ἐν ἀρχῇ εἶναι τὸ ἐξ ᾿Αδραὰμ καὶ Δαδὶδ τὴν ἀρχὴν εἰληφέναι, μᾶλλον δὲ πολλοστῇ γενεᾷ μετὰ τὸν Δαδὶδ γεννηθῆναι. Ἐναντίον δὲ ᾳάλιν, καὶ τῷ πάντα πεποιηκέναι, τὸ ἐκ πεποιημένων βλαστῆσαι καὶ τῷ ἐκ θεοῦ εἶναι, τὸ ἀνθρώπους ἐσχηκέναι Χατέρας. Ἐναντίον δὲ καὶ τῷ αἰωνίῳ τὸ πρόσφατον. Καὶ δῆτα σκοπήσωμεν οὕτως " εἰ τῶν ἀπάντων φαμὲν τὸν Θεὸν Λόγον δημιουργόν; ΕΡΑΝ. Οὔτω πιστεύειν παρὰ τῆς θείας Γραφῆς ἐδιδάχθημεν. ΟΡΘ. Πόστῃ δὲ μεμαθήκαμεν ἡμέρᾳ τὸν ᾿Αδὰμ διαπλασθῆναι μετὰ τὴν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ καὶ τῆς γῆς δη- ΟΡΘ. ᾿Απὸ δὲ τοῦ ᾿Αδὰμ μέχρι τοῦ ᾿Αδραὰμ πό- ΟΡΘ. ᾿Απὸ δὲ τοῦ ᾿Αὐραὰμ μέχρι τοῦ Σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Χριστοῦ, πόσας ὁ εὐαγγελιστὴς Ματθαῖος ἀριθμεῖ γενεάς; ΟΡΘ. Εἰ τοίνυν μία φύσις ὁ Δεσπότης Χριστὸς, πῶς οἷόν το αὐτὸν καὶ πάντων ὁρατῶν καὶ ἀοράτων ὑπάρχειν δημιουργὸν, καὶ μετὰ γενεὰς τοσαύτας ὑπὸ τοῦ παναγίον Πνεύματος διαπλασθῆναι ἐν μήτρᾳ παρθενιχῇ;; πῶς δὲ καὶ ποῦ ᾿Αδὰμ ποιητὴς, καὶ τῶν τοῦ ᾿Αδὰμ ἀπογόνων υἱός; ΕΡΑΝ. Καὶ ἤδη πρότερον ἔφην ὡς ἁρμόττει αὐτῷ καὶ ταῦτα κἀκεῖνα ὡς σεσαρχωμένῳ θεῷ" μίαν γὰρ οἶδα τοῦ Λόγου φύσιν σεσαρχωμένην. ΟΡΘ. Οὐδέ γε ἡμεῖς, ὦ ἀγαθὲ, δύο φύσεις τοῦ Θεοῦ Λόγου σεσαρχῶσθαΐ φαμεν " μίαν γὰρ ἴσμεν τοῦ θεοῦ Λόγου τὴν φύσιν " ἀλλὰ τὴν σάρκα, ἦ χρησάμενος ἐσαρχώθη, ἑτέρας εἶναι φύσεως ἐδιδάχθημεν. Οἶμαι δέ γε τοῦτο καὶ σὲ συνομολογεῖν. Εἰπὲ τοίνυν, τὴν σάρκωσιν κατὰ τροπὴν τινα γεγενῆσθαι λέγεις :

ORTh. Hena men Huion tou Theou kai oida kai proskynō, ton Kyrion Iēsoun Christon " tēs de theotētos kai tēs anthrōpotētos tēn diaphoran edidachthēn. Sy de ge ho mian legōn meta tēn henōsin gegenēsthai physin, prosarmoson tauytę̄ ta tōn Euangeliōn prooimia. ERAN. Hōs? eoiken, ischyran agan kai isōs amēchanon hypolamthaneis tēn protasin " estō soi rhądia kai eupetēs, monon hēmin to zētoumenon lyson. ORTh. ᾿Amphotera tǭ Despotę̄ prosēkei Christǭ, kai to en archę̄ einai, kai to ex ᾿Auraam kai Dadid kata sarka blastēsai. ERAN. Mian meta tēn enōsin ou chrēnai legein enomothetēsas physin" ton oikeion toinyn mē paradę̄s nomon, memnēmenos sarkos. ORTh. Kai dicha tou mnēmoneusai sarkos lysai " tēn protasin eupetes “ amphotera gar tǭ Sōtēri ERAN. Kagō tauta kakeina prosechein phēmi tǭ Despotē Christǭ. ORTh. ᾿Alla dyo physeis en autǭ theōrōn, kai heka- «erą prosnemōn ta prosphora. Ei de mia physis estin ho Christos, pōs hoion te autę̄ prosarmosai ta henan- «iia? Enantion gar tǭ en archę̄ einai to ex ᾿Adraam kai Dadid tēn archēn eilēphenai, mallon de pollostę̄ geneą meta ton Dadid gennēthēnai. Enantion de ąalin, kai tǭ panta pepoiēkenai, to ek pepoiēmenōn blastēsai kai tǭ ek theou einai, to anthrōpous eschēkenai Chateras. Enantion de kai tǭ aiōniǭ to prosphaton. Kai dēta skopēsōmen houtōs " ei tōn apantōn phamen ton Theon Logon dēmiourgon? ERAN. Outō pisteuein para tēs theias Graphēs edidachthēmen. ORTh. Postę̄ de memathēkamen hēmerą ton ᾿Adam diaplasthēnai meta tēn tou ouranou kai tēs gēs dē- ORTh. ᾿Apo de tou ᾿Adam mechri tou ᾿Adraam po- ORTh. ᾿Apo de tou ᾿Auraam mechri tou Sōtēros hēmōn Christou, posas ho euangelistēs Matthaios arithmei geneas? ORTh. Ei toinyn mia physis ho Despotēs Christos, pōs hoion to auton kai pantōn horatōn kai aoratōn hyparchein dēmiourgon, kai meta geneas tosautas hypo tou panagion Pneumatos diaplasthēnai en mētrą parthenichę̄?? pōs de kai pou ᾿Adam poiētēs, kai tōn tou ᾿Adam apogonōn huios? ERAN. Kai ēdē proteron ephēn hōs harmottei autǭ kai tauta kakeina hōs sesarchōmenǭ theǭ" mian gar oida tou Logou physin sesarchōmenēn. ORTh. Oude ge hēmeis, ō agathe, dyo physeis tou Theou Logou sesarchōsthaï phamen " mian gar ismen tou theou Logou tēn physin " alla tēn sarka, ē chrēsamenos esarchōthē, heteras einai physeōs edidachthēmen. Oimai de ge touto kai se synomologein. Eipe toinyn, tēn sarkōsin kata tropēn tina gegenēsthai legeis :

Orthodoxos: One Son of God I both know and worship, the Lord Jesus Christ; but I have been taught the difference between the Godhead and the humanity. But you, who say that one nature came about after the union, fit the openings of the Gospels to it. Eranistes: It seems you suppose the proposition very strong and perhaps unanswerable. Let it be easy and simple for you; only solve the question for us. Orthodoxos: Both belong to the Master Christ: being in the beginning, and springing from Abraham and David according to the flesh. Eranistes: You laid down the law that one must not speak of one nature after the union; do not transgress your own law, then, by mentioning flesh. Orthodoxos: Even without mentioning flesh it is easy to solve the proposition; for both [belong] to the Savior … Eranistes: I too say that both these and those belong to the Master Christ. Orthodoxos: But seeing two natures in him, and assigning to each what is suitable to it. But if Christ is one nature, how is it possible to fit contraries to it? For to have taken one's beginning from Abraham and David, or rather to have been born many generations after David, is contrary to being in the beginning. And again, to have sprung from things that were made is contrary to having made all things; and to have had human forefathers is contrary to being from God; and the recent is contrary to the eternal. And let us consider it this way: do we say that God the Word is the Creator of all things? Eranistes: So we have been taught to believe by the divine Scripture. Orthodoxos: And on what day after the creation of heaven and earth have we learned that Adam was formed? … Orthodoxos: And from Adam to Abraham, how many …? … Orthodoxos: And from Abraham to our Savior Christ, how many generations does the evangelist Matthew count? … Orthodoxos: If, then, the Master Christ is one nature, how is it possible for him both to be the Creator of all things visible and invisible, and after so many generations to be formed by the all-holy Spirit in a virgin womb? And how and where is he both Adam's maker and son of Adam's descendants? Eranistes: I said before too that both these and those fit him as God incarnate; for I know one incarnate nature of the Word. Orthodoxos: Nor do we, my good man, say that two natures of God the Word were made flesh; for we know one nature of God the Word. But we have been taught that the flesh by which he was made flesh is of another nature. And I think that you too agree to this. Tell me, then: do you say that the incarnation took place by some change?

John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:31 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 1:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 1:35 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Orthodoxos presses that contraries (eternal Creator and descendant of Adam formed in the Virgin) cannot be fitted to one nature; Eranistes appeals to 'one incarnate nature of the Word', and Orthodoxos answers that the Word's nature is one but the flesh is of another nature.

  • 'One incarnate nature of the Word' is the formula used by Cyril of Alexandria (taken from a text circulated under Athanasius' name, in fact Apollinarian); Theodoret has Eranistes adopt it. Several replies have dropped out of the OCR where '…' is printed (the answers 'the sixth day' and the number of generations). Migne's Latin column and notes read as Greek letters have been removed (logged corrections). Scripture: John 1:1–3; Matt 1:1, 17; Gen 1:26–31; Col 1:16; Luke 1:35.

Notes on the original text

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 2.15 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/2-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).