Homilies 17.1–17.20

Pseudonymous: A Christian romance in the voice of Clement of Rome, presenting itself as his account of Peter's travels and disputes with Simon Magus. It is not a work of Clement; it draws on an earlier source (the hypothetical 'Grundschrift' or 'Kerygmata Petrou', probably 3rd-century Syria) reworked in its present form by the 4th century. Its companion recension, the Latin Recognitions, survives only in Rufinus's translation and is not staged here.

Greek text: Schwegler (Greek text: Albert Schwegler, Clementis Romani quae feruntur Homiliae XX (Stuttgart, 1847), digitized by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 8 (1886).

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Chapter 17

17.1Schwegler

Τῆς μὲν οὖν ἄλλης ἡμέρας ὁ Πέτρος πρὸς Σίμωνα ζητεῖν μέλλων ὀρθριαίτερον ἐξυπνισθεὶς ηὔξατο, καὶ ἅμα τῷ παύσασθαι ὁ Ζακχαῖος εἰσῄει λέγων· Σίμων ἔξω καθέζεται, μετὰ ἰδίων αὑτοῦ τινων ὡς τριάκοντα διαλεγόμενος. καὶ ὁ Πέτρος ἔφη· ἐάσθω λαλεῖν, μέχρις ὅτε πλῆθος γένηται, καὶ τότε ζητεῖν ἀρξώμεθα, ἵνα οὕτως ἡμεῖς τὰ ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ λεγόμενα ἀκούσαντες, πρὸς αὐτὰ ἁρμοσάμενοι, ἐξελθόντες διαλεχθῶμεν. καὶ δὴ οὕτως ἐγένετο. ἐκβὰς οὖν καὶ μετʼ οὐ πολὺ πάλιν εἰσελθὼν ὁ Ζακχαῖος ἀντέβαλλεν τῷ Πέτρῳ τοὺς ὑπὸ Σίμωνος κατὰ Πέτρου ῥηθέντας λόγους.

Tēs men oun allēs hēmeras ho Petros pros Simōna zētein mellōn orthriaiteron exypnistheis ēuxato, kai hama tǭ pausasthai ho Zakchaios eisę̄ei legōn; Simōn exō kathezetai, meta idiōn hautou tinōn hōs triakonta dialegomenos. kai ho Petros ephē; easthō lalein, mechris hote plēthos genētai, kai tote zētein arxōmetha, hina houtōs hēmeis ta hypʼ autou legomena akousantes, pros auta harmosamenoi, exelthontes dialechthōmen. kai dē houtōs egeneto. ekbas oun kai metʼ ou poly palin eiselthōn ho Zakchaios anteballen tǭ Petrǭ tous hypo Simōnos kata Petrou rhēthentas logous.

On the next day, then, Peter, being about to dispute with Simon, woke earlier than usual and prayed; and just as he finished, Zacchaeus came in, saying: “Simon is sitting outside, talking with about thirty of his own people.” And Peter said: “Let him talk until a crowd gathers, and then let us begin the dispute, so that, having heard what he says, we may fit our answer to it and go out and discuss.” And so it was. Zacchaeus went out, and coming back in not long after, he reported to Peter the words Simon had spoken against him.

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Summary: Zacchaeus reports that Simon is outside speaking against Peter.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.1 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.2Schwegler

Ἔλεγεν δέ· αἰτιᾶταί σε, Πέτρε, ὡς κακίας ὄντα ὑπηρέτην, καὶ μαγείᾳ πολὺ δυνάμενον, καὶ εἰδωλολατρείας χεῖρον τὰς τῶν ἀνθρώπων φαντασιοῦντα ψυχάς. εἰς τὸ μὲν οὖν μάγον εἶναί σε ταύτην ἐδόκει φέρειν ἀπόδειξιν, λέγων· σύνοιδα ἐμαυτῷ, ὅτι ὧν κατʼ ἐμαυτὸν σκέπτομαι, ἐλθὼν συζητεῖν αὐτῷ, οὐδʼ ἕνα μνημονεύω λόγον. αὐτοῦ γὰρ διαλεγομένου, κἀμοῦ τὸν νοῦν ἀσχολοῦντος εἰς τὸ ἀναπολῆσαι, τίνα ἐστὶν ἅ ἐλογισάμην ἐλθὼν λέγειν πρὸς αὐτόν, οὐδʼ ὁτιοῦν ὧν λέγει ἐπακούω. ἐπεὶ οὖν ἐπʼ ἄλλου τινὸς τοιοῦτό τι οὐ πάσχω, ἢ ἐπʼ αὐτοῦ μόνου, πῶς οὐχὶ μαγευόμενος ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ τυγχάνω; τὸ δὲ ὅτι ἃ ἄν διδάσκῃ, εἰδωλολατρείας χείρονά ἐστιν, τῷ γε νοῦν ἔχοντι, ἐμοῦ μηνύσαντος σαφὲς ἔσται. οὐθὲν γὰρ ἕτερον ὠφεληθῆναι ἔστιν, ἢ τὸ τὴν ψυχὴν εἰδώλων παντοδαπῶν ἐλευθέραν γενέσθαι. φανταζομένη γὰρ εἶδος δεσμεῖται φόβῳ, καὶ φρονοῦσα εὐπαθεῖν τι μαραίνεται καὶ ἀλλοιοῦται ἢ δαιμονᾷ, καὶ δαιμονῶσα τοῖς πολλοῖς σωφρονεῖν δοκεῖ.

Elegen de; aitiatai se, Petre, hōs kakias onta hypēretēn, kai mageią poly dynamenon, kai eidōlolatreias cheiron tas tōn anthrōpōn phantasiounta psychas. eis to men oun magon einai se tautēn edokei pherein apodeixin, legōn; synoida emautǭ, hoti hōn katʼ emauton skeptomai, elthōn syzētein autǭ, oudʼ hena mnēmoneuō logon. autou gar dialegomenou, kamou ton noun ascholountos eis to anapolēsai, tina estin ha elogisamēn elthōn legein pros auton, oudʼ hotioun hōn legei epakouō. epei oun epʼ allou tinos toiouto ti ou paschō, ē epʼ autou monou, pōs ouchi mageuomenos hypʼ autou tynchanō? to de hoti ha an didaskę̄, eidōlolatreias cheirona estin, tǭ ge noun echonti, emou mēnysantos saphes estai. outhen gar heteron ōphelēthēnai estin, ē to tēn psychēn eidōlōn pantodapōn eleutheran genesthai. phantazomenē gar eidos desmeitai phobǭ, kai phronousa eupathein ti marainetai kai alloioutai ē daimoną, kai daimonōsa tois pollois sōphronein dokei.

He said: “He accuses you, Peter, of being a servant of wickedness, very powerful in magic, and of filling people's souls with fantasies worse than idolatry. That you are a magician he thought he could prove in this way, saying: ‘I am aware that, of the arguments I think over by myself, I remember not one when I come to dispute with him. For while he is speaking and I am busying my mind with recalling what I had planned to say when I came to him, I hear nothing at all of what he says. Since, then, I suffer nothing like this with anyone else, but with him alone, how am I not bewitched by him? And that what he teaches is worse than idolatry will be clear to anyone with sense once I have shown it. For there is no other benefit than for the soul to become free of images of every kind. For when it pictures a form it is bound by fear, and, anxious about how it will fare, it wastes away and is altered, or becomes demon-possessed; and when it is demon-possessed, it seems to most people to be in its right mind.’”

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: Simon accuses Peter of magic and of teaching something worse than idolatry.

  • “Anxious about how it will fare” renders the obscure φρονοῦσα εὐπαθεῖν τι (literally “thinking to fare well in something”); the text may be corrupt.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.2 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.3Schwegler

Τοῦτο ὑμῖν Πέτρος ὑποσχέσει τοῦ σωφρονίζειν παρέχει. προφάσει γὰρ ἑνὸς Θεοῦ δοκεῖ μὲν ὑμᾶς πολλῶν ἀψύχων ἀπαλλάσσειν εἰδώλων, ἅ οὐ πάνυ τοὺς σέβοντας ἀδικεῖ, τῷ αὐτοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς ὁρᾶσθαι λίθινα ὄντα ἢ χάλκεα ἢ χρύσεα ἢ καὶ ἐξ ἄλλης τινὸς ἀψύχου ὕλης. διὸ τῷ εἰδέναι ὅτι τὸ βλεπόμενον οὐδέν ἐστιν, οὐχ ὁμοίως τῷ ὁρατῷ ὑπὸ φόβου φαντασιοῦσθαι δύναται ἡ ψυχή. πλάνῳ δὲ διδασκαλίᾳ εἰς φοβερὸν Θεὸν ἀποβλέπουσα τῶν κατὰ φύσιν ἐκβαθρεύεται. καὶ ταῦτα ἐγὼ λέγω, οὐχ ὅτι ὑμᾶς εἴδωλα σέβειν παραινῶ, ἀλλʼ ὅτι Πέτρος φοβερῶν εἰδεῶν δοκῶν ἀπαλλάσσειν ὑμῶν τὰς ψυχὰς, φοβερωτέρᾳ εἰδέᾳ τὸν ἕκαστον ὑμῶν ἐνθουσιᾶν ποιεῖ νοῦν, Θεὸν ἐν μορφῇ εἰσηγούμενος, καὶ ταῦτα ἄκρως δίκαιον, ᾧ ἔπεται τὸ φοβερὸν καὶ τῇ συννοούσῃ ψυχῇ τὸ φρικῶδες, δυνάμενον καὶ τῶν ὀρθῶν λογισμῶν ἐκλῦσαι τοὺς τόνους. ἐν γὰρ τοιούτῳ καθεστὼς χειμῶνι ὁ νοῦς ὡς βυθὸς ὑπʼ ἀνέμου σφοδροῦ θολοῦται τὸ λαμπρόν. διὸ εἰ ἐπʼ ὠφελείᾳ ὑμῶν προσέρχεται, μὴ ὑμῶν τοὺς ἐξ ἀψύχων μορφῶν ἠπίως γινομένους φόβους ἐκλύειν δοκῶν φοβερὰν Θεοῦ ἀντεισφερέτω μορφήν. μορφὴν δὲ ἔχει Θεός; εἰ δὲ ἔχῃ, ἐν σχήματί ἐστιν. ἐν σχήματι δὲ ὤν πῶς οὐ περιόριστός ἐστιν; περιόριστος δὲ ὤν ἐν τόπῳ ἐστίν. ἐν τόπῳ δὲ ὢν ἥττων ἐστὶν τοῦ περιέχοντος αὐτὸν τόπου. ἥττων δέ τινος ὤν πῶς πάντων ἐστὶν ἤ μείζων ἢ ἀνώτατος; καὶ ταῦτα μὲν οὕτως.

Touto hymin Petros hyposchesei tou sōphronizein parechei. prophasei gar henos Theou dokei men hymas pollōn apsychōn apallassein eidōlōn, ha ou pany tous sebontas adikei, tǭ autois ophthalmois horasthai lithina onta ē chalkea ē chrysea ē kai ex allēs tinos apsychou hylēs. dio tǭ eidenai hoti to blepomenon ouden estin, ouch homoiōs tǭ horatǭ hypo phobou phantasiousthai dynatai hē psychē. planǭ de didaskalią eis phoberon Theon apoblepousa tōn kata physin ekbathreuetai. kai tauta egō legō, ouch hoti hymas eidōla sebein parainō, allʼ hoti Petros phoberōn eideōn dokōn apallassein hymōn tas psychas, phoberōterą eideą ton hekaston hymōn enthousian poiei noun, Theon en morphę̄ eisēgoumenos, kai tauta akrōs dikaion, hǭ epetai to phoberon kai tę̄ synnoousę̄ psychę̄ to phrikōdes, dynamenon kai tōn orthōn logismōn eklysai tous tonous. en gar toioutǭ kathestōs cheimōni ho nous hōs bythos hypʼ anemou sphodrou tholoutai to lampron. dio ei epʼ ōpheleią hymōn proserchetai, mē hymōn tous ex apsychōn morphōn ēpiōs ginomenous phobous eklyein dokōn phoberan Theou anteispheretō morphēn. morphēn de echei Theos? ei de echę̄, en schēmati estin. en schēmati de ōn pōs ou perioristos estin? perioristos de ōn en topǭ estin. en topǭ de ōn hēttōn estin tou periechontos auton topou. hēttōn de tinos ōn pōs pantōn estin ē meizōn ē anōtatos? kai tauta men houtōs.

“‘This is what Peter offers you under the promise of making you sound-minded. For under the pretext of one God he seems to free you from many lifeless idols, which do little harm to their worshipers, since they are seen with their own eyes to be stone or bronze or gold or some other lifeless material. So, knowing that what is seen is nothing, the soul cannot be seized by fear of the visible in the same way. But when, through a deceiving teaching, it looks to a fearful God, it is thrown off its natural foundations. I say this not to urge you to worship idols, but because Peter, while seeming to free your souls from fearful images, fills each of your minds with a more fearful image, introducing God in a form—and a supremely just one at that—on which fear follows, and dread for the soul that contemplates it, dread that can loosen even the sinews of right reasoning. For a mind caught in such a storm has its clearness troubled, like the deep by a violent wind. Therefore, if he comes for your benefit, let him not, while seeming to dispel the mild fears that arise from lifeless forms, bring in instead a fearful form of God. But does God have a form? If he has, he is in a shape. And if he is in a shape, how is he not circumscribed? And if circumscribed, he is in a place. And if he is in a place, he is less than the place that contains him. And if he is less than something, how is he greater than all, or highest? So much for that.’”

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Summary: Simon argues that Peter's God with a form is more frightening than idols and cannot be infinite.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.3 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.4Schwegler

Ὅτι δὲ ἀληθῶς οὐδὲ τὰ ὑπὸ τοῦ διδασκάλου αὐτοῦ ῥηθέντα πιστεύει, φανερόν ἐστιν. τὰ γὰρ ἐναντία αὐτῷ κηρύσσει. ἐκείνου γὰρ εἰπόντος τινὶ, ὡς μανθάνῳ· μή με λέγε ἀγαθόν, ὁ γὰρ ἀγαθὸς εἷς ἐστιν· ἀγαθὸν δὲ εἰπὼν οὐκ ἔτι ἐκεῖνον λέγει τὸν δίκαιον, ὅν αἱ γραφαὶ κηρύσσουσιν, ὅς ἀποκτείνει καὶ ζωοποιεῖ, ἀποκτείνει μὲν τοὺς ἁμαρτάνοντες, ζωοποιεῖ δὲ τοὺς κατὰ γνώμην αὐτοῦ βιοῦντας. ὅτι δὲ ὄντως οὐ τὸν δημιουργὸν ἔλεγεν ἀγαθὸν, τῷ διανοηθῆναι δυναμένῳ σαφές ἐστιν. τοῦ γὰρ δημιουργοῦ ἐγνωσμένου καὶ τῷ πλασθέντι Ἀδὰμ, καὶ τῷ εὐαρεστήσαντι αὐτῷ Ἑνὼχ, καὶ τῷ ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ δικαίῳ ὁραθέντι Νῶε, ὁμοίως καὶ τῷ Ἀβραὰμ καὶ Ἰσαὰκ καὶ Ἰακὼβ, ἀλλὰ καὶ Μωυσῇ καὶ λαῷ καὶ ὅλῳ τῷ κόσμῳ, ὁ διδάσκαλος αὐτοῦ Πέτρου Ἰησοῦς ἐλθὼν ἔλεγεν· οὐδεὶς ἔγνω τὸν πατέρα, εἰ μὴ ὁ υἱός, ὡς οὐδὲ τὸν υἱόν τις οἶδεν εἰ μὴ ὁ πατὴρ, καὶ οἷς ἄν βούληται ὁ υἱὸς ἀποκαλύψαι. εἰ οὖν αὐτὸς υἱὸς ἦν ὁ παρὼν, ἀπὸ τῆς αὐτοῦ παρουσίας οἷς ἐβούλετο τὸν πᾶσιν ἄγνωστον ἀπεκάλυπτεν. καὶ οὕτως τοῖς πρὸ αὐτοῦ πᾶσιν ἄγνωστος ἦν ὁ πατήρ, οὐχ οὕτως ὤν ὁ πᾶσιν ἐγνωσμένος.

Hoti de alēthōs oude ta hypo tou didaskalou autou rhēthenta pisteuei, phaneron estin. ta gar enantia autǭ kēryssei. ekeinou gar eipontos tini, hōs manthanǭ; mē me lege agathon, ho gar agathos heis estin; agathon de eipōn ouk eti ekeinon legei ton dikaion, hon hai graphai kēryssousin, hos apokteinei kai zōopoiei, apokteinei men tous hamartanontes, zōopoiei de tous kata gnōmēn autou biountas. hoti de ontōs ou ton dēmiourgon elegen agathon, tǭ dianoēthēnai dynamenǭ saphes estin. tou gar dēmiourgou egnōsmenou kai tǭ plasthenti Adam, kai tǭ euarestēsanti autǭ Henōch, kai tǭ hypʼ autou dikaiǭ horathenti Nōe, homoiōs kai tǭ Abraam kai Isaak kai Iakōb, alla kai Mōysę̄ kai laǭ kai holǭ tǭ kosmǭ, ho didaskalos autou Petrou Iēsous elthōn elegen; oudeis egnō ton patera, ei mē ho huios, hōs oude ton huion tis oiden ei mē ho patēr, kai hois an boulētai ho huios apokalypsai. ei oun autos huios ēn ho parōn, apo tēs autou parousias hois ebouleto ton pasin agnōston apekalypten. kai houtōs tois pro autou pasin agnōstos ēn ho patēr, ouch houtōs ōn ho pasin egnōsmenos.

“‘That he does not truly believe even what his teacher said is plain, for he preaches the opposite. When his teacher said to someone, as I learn, “Do not call me good, for the good is one,” in saying “good” he no longer means that just one whom the Scriptures proclaim, who kills and makes alive—kills those who sin, and makes alive those who live according to his will. That he really did not call the Creator good is clear to anyone able to reflect. For although the Creator was known to Adam, whom he formed, and to Enoch, who pleased him, and to Noah, whom he saw to be righteous, and likewise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and also to Moses and the people and the whole world, Jesus, this Peter's teacher, came and said: “No one knew the Father except the Son, as no one knows the Son except the Father, and those to whom the Son wishes to reveal him.” If, then, the one who was present was himself the Son, from his coming he revealed to whom he wished the one who was unknown to all. And so the Father was unknown to all before him, and so was not the one known to all.’”

Mark 10:18 (quotation, medium confidence) · Luke 18:19 (quotation, medium confidence) · Matt 19:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · Deut 32:39 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Sam 2:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 5:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 7:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 10:22 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Simon argues that Jesus distinguished the good, unknown Father from the just Creator whom Scripture proclaims.

  • Simon's argument that the “good” God revealed by Jesus differs from the “just” Creator resembles Marcion's teaching. The sayings: Mark 10:18 and Luke 18:19 (in a shorter form); Deut 32:39 and 1 Sam 2:6 (“kills and makes alive”); Matt 11:27 and Luke 10:22, with “knew” in the past tense, a form also cited by other second-century writers.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.4 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.5Schwegler

Καὶ τοῦτο εἰπὼν Ἰησοῦς οὐδὲ αὐτὸς ἑαυτῷ συμφωνεῖ. ἐνίοτε γὰρ ἄλλαις φωναῖς τῶν ἀπὸ τῶν γραφῶν φοβερὸν καὶ δίκαιον συνίστησι Θεὸν λέγων· μὴ φοβηθῆτε ἀπὸ τοῦ ἀποκτείνοντος τὸ σῶμα, τῇ δὲ ψυχῇ μὴ δυναμένου τι ποιῆσαι φοβήθητε τὸν δυνάμενον καὶ σῶμα καὶ ψυχὴν εἰς τὴν γέενναν τοῦ πυρὸς βαλεῖν. ναὶ λέγω ὑμῖν, τοῦτον φοβήθητε. ὅτι δὲ ὄντως τοῦτον φοβηθῆναι ἔλεγεν ὡς δίκαιον Θεὸν, πρὸς ὅν καὶ ἀδικουμένους βοᾶν λέγει, παραβολὴν εἰς τοῦτο εἰπὼν ἐπάγει τὴν ἑρμηνείαν λέγων· εἰ οὖν ὁ κριτὴς τῆς ἀδικίας ἐποίησεν οὕτως, διὰ τὸ ἑκάστοτε ἀξιωθῆναι, πόσῳ μᾶλλον ὁ πατὴρ ποιήσει τὴν ἐκδίκησιν τῶν βοώντων πρὸς αὐτὸν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτός; ἢ διὰ τὸ μακροθυμεῖν αὐτὸν ἐπʼ αὐτοῖς δοκεῖτε ὅτι οὐ ποιήσει; λέγω ὑμῖν, ποιήσει, καὶ ἐν τάχει. ὁ δὲ ἐκδικοῦντα καὶ ἀμειβόμενον λέγων Θεὸν δίκαιον αὐτὸν τῇ φύσει συνίστησιν, καὶ οὐκ ἀγαθόν. ἔτι δὲ καὶ ἐξομολογεῖται τῷ κυρίῳ οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς. εἰ δὲ κύριός ἐστιν οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς, ὁμολογεῖται δημιουργός, δημιουργὸς δὲ ὢν δίκαιός ἐστιν. ποτὲ μὲν ἀγαθὸν λέγων, ποτὲ δὲ δίκαιον, οὐδʼ οὕτως συμφωνεῖ. τρίτον δὲ ὁ σοφὸς αὐτοῦ μαθητὴς ἐχθὲς δασχυρίζετο, ἐνάργειαν ὀπτασίας ἱκανωτέραν εἶναι, οὐκ εἰδὼς ὅτι ἡ ἐνάργεια ἀνθρωπεία εἶναι δύναται, ἡ δὲ ὀπτασία θεότητος εἶναι ὁμολογεῖται.

Kai touto eipōn Iēsous oude autos heautǭ symphōnei. eniote gar allais phōnais tōn apo tōn graphōn phoberon kai dikaion synistēsi Theon legōn; mē phobēthēte apo tou apokteinontos to sōma, tę̄ de psychę̄ mē dynamenou ti poiēsai phobēthēte ton dynamenon kai sōma kai psychēn eis tēn geennan tou pyros balein. nai legō hymin, touton phobēthēte. hoti de ontōs touton phobēthēnai elegen hōs dikaion Theon, pros hon kai adikoumenous boan legei, parabolēn eis touto eipōn epagei tēn hermēneian legōn; ei oun ho kritēs tēs adikias epoiēsen houtōs, dia to hekastote axiōthēnai, posǭ mallon ho patēr poiēsei tēn ekdikēsin tōn boōntōn pros auton hēmeras kai nyktos? ē dia to makrothymein auton epʼ autois dokeite hoti ou poiēsei? legō hymin, poiēsei, kai en tachei. ho de ekdikounta kai ameibomenon legōn Theon dikaion auton tę̄ physei synistēsin, kai ouk agathon. eti de kai exomologeitai tǭ kyriǭ ouranou kai gēs. ei de kyrios estin ouranou kai gēs, homologeitai dēmiourgos, dēmiourgos de ōn dikaios estin. pote men agathon legōn, pote de dikaion, oudʼ houtōs symphōnei. triton de ho sophos autou mathētēs echthes daschyrizeto, enargeian optasias hikanōteran einai, ouk eidōs hoti hē enargeia anthrōpeia einai dynatai, hē de optasia theotētos einai homologeitai.

“‘And in saying this Jesus does not even agree with himself. For sometimes, in other sayings taken from the Scriptures, he presents God as fearful and just, saying: “Do not be afraid of the one who kills the body but can do nothing to the soul; fear him who can cast both body and soul into the Gehenna of fire. Yes, I tell you, fear him.” And that he really meant that this one is to be feared as a just God—the one to whom, he says, those who are wronged cry out—he shows by telling a parable on this point and adding its interpretation: “If, then, the judge of unrighteousness acted thus because he was entreated again and again, how much more will the Father avenge those who cry to him day and night? Or do you think that, because he is patient with them, he will not do it? I tell you, he will do it, and quickly.” Now one who speaks of God as avenging and rewarding presents him as just by nature, and not good. Further, he gives thanks to the Lord of heaven and earth. If he is Lord of heaven and earth, he is acknowledged to be the Creator; and being Creator, he is just. Calling him sometimes good and sometimes just, he does not agree with himself even so. Thirdly, his wise disciple insisted yesterday that direct sight is more trustworthy than an apparition, not knowing that direct sight can be merely human, while an apparition is acknowledged to come from the divinity.’”

Matt 10:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 12:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 12:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 18:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 18:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 18:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 11:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 10:21 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Simon charges Jesus with contradicting himself by also calling God just and fearful, and attacks Peter's preference of sight over apparitions.

  • “Direct sight” renders ἐνάργεια (plain, waking perception); “apparition” renders ὀπτασία, kept distinct from ὅραμα (“vision”) and ἐνύπνιον (“dream”) in 17.13–19.
  • Sayings: Matt 10:28 and Luke 12:4–5 (combined); Luke 18:6–8 (freely, with “the Father” for “God”); Matt 11:25 and Luke 10:21. “His wise disciple” is Peter, spoken of ironically; the argument over sight and visions is taken up in 17.13–19.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.5 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Schwegler; made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF where it has the work.

17.6Schwegler

Ταῦτα καὶ τὰ τούτοις ὅμοια, Πέτρε, ὁ Σίμων τοῖς ὄχλοις ἔξω ἑστὼς καὶ διαλεγόμενος, ταράσσειν μοι δοκεῖ τοὺς πλείονας. διὸ ἐξαυτῆς ἔξιθι, ἀληθείας δυνάμει τοὺς αὐτοῦ ψευδεῖς ἐκλύων λόγους. ταῦτα τοῦ Ζακχαίου εἰπόντος ὁ Πέτρος συνήθως εὐξάμενος ἐξῄει, καὶ εἰς τὸν πρὸ μιᾶς τόπον στάς, καὶ τῷ τῆς θεοσεβείας ἔθει προσαγορεύσας τοὺς ὄχλους, τοῦ λέγειν ἤρξατο οὕτως· ἀληθὴς ὢν προφήτης ὁ κύριος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦς, ὡς ἐπὶ καιροῦ καὶ περὶ τούτου πληροφορήσω, περὶ τῶν τῇ ἀληθείᾳ διαφερόντων συντόμως τὰς ἀποφάσεις ἐποιεῖτο, διὰ δύο ταῦτα, ὅτι πρὸς θεοσεβεῖς ἐποιεῖτο τὸν λόγον, εἰδότας τὰ ἀποφάσει ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ἐκφερόμενα πιστεύειν· οὐδὲ γὰρ ἦν ξένα τῆς αὐτῶν συνηθείας τὰ λεγόμενα. δεύτερον δὲ ὅτι προθεσμίαν ἔχων κηρῦξαι τῷ τῆς ἀποδείξεως οὐκ ἐχρῆτο λόγῳ, ἵνα μὴ εἰς λόγους τὸν πάντα τῆς προθεσμίας δαπανῷ χρόνον, καὶ οὕτως αὐτῷ συμβήσεται, εἰς ὀλίγων λόγων ἐπιλύσεις ἀσχολεμένῳ, τῶν ὑπὸ πόνου ψυχῆς νοεῖσθαι δυναμένων, τοὺς ἀληθείᾳ διαφέροντας μὴ ἐπὶ πλεῖον εἰσφέρειν λόγους. ἐπειδὴ περὶ ὧν ἤθελεν ἀπεφαίνετο, ὡς λαῷ νοεῖν δυναμένῳ, ἀφʼ ὧν ἐσμεν καὶ ἡμεῖς, οἳ ὁπότε κατὰ τὸ σπάνιον οὐκ ἐνοήσαμεν τῶν ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ῥηθέντων, ἰδίᾳ ἐπυνθανόμεθα, μὴ ἡμῖν τι τῶν ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ῥηθέντων ἀνόητον ᾖ.

Tauta kai ta toutois homoia, Petre, ho Simōn tois ochlois exō hestōs kai dialegomenos, tarassein moi dokei tous pleionas. dio exautēs exithi, alētheias dynamei tous autou pseudeis eklyōn logous. tauta tou Zakchaiou eipontos ho Petros synēthōs euxamenos exę̄ei, kai eis ton pro mias topon stas, kai tǭ tēs theosebeias ethei prosagoreusas tous ochlous, tou legein ērxato houtōs; alēthēs ōn prophētēs ho kyrios hēmōn Iēsous, hōs epi kairou kai peri toutou plērophorēsō, peri tōn tę̄ alētheią diapherontōn syntomōs tas apophaseis epoieito, dia dyo tauta, hoti pros theosebeis epoieito ton logon, eidotas ta apophasei hypʼ autou ekpheromena pisteuein; oude gar ēn xena tēs autōn synētheias ta legomena. deuteron de hoti prothesmian echōn kēryxai tǭ tēs apodeixeōs ouk echrēto logǭ, hina mē eis logous ton panta tēs prothesmias dapanǭ chronon, kai houtōs autǭ symbēsetai, eis oligōn logōn epilyseis ascholemenǭ, tōn hypo ponou psychēs noeisthai dynamenōn, tous alētheią diapherontas mē epi pleion eispherein logous. epeidē peri hōn ēthelen apephaineto, hōs laǭ noein dynamenǭ, aphʼ hōn esmen kai hēmeis, hoi hopote kata to spanion ouk enoēsamen tōn hypʼ autou rhēthentōn, idią epynthanometha, mē hēmin ti tōn hypʼ autou rhēthentōn anoēton ę̄.

“By saying these things and the like, Peter, as he stands outside speaking to the crowds, Simon seems to me to be unsettling most of them. So go out at once and undo his false arguments by the power of truth.” When Zacchaeus had said this, Peter prayed as usual and went out; and standing in the same place as the day before and greeting the crowds after the custom of godliness, he began to speak thus: “Our Lord Jesus, being a true prophet—as I will fully convince you about this too at the proper time—made brief pronouncements on matters that bear on the truth, for these two reasons. First, because he was speaking to godly people, who knew how to believe what he declared by bare pronouncement; for what was said was not foreign to their customs. Second, because, having a set time for preaching, he did not use the method of proof, so as not to spend the whole of the set time on arguments; otherwise it would have happened that, busy with solving a few arguments that the soul can understand by its own labor, he would not have brought forward more of the words that bear on the truth. For he declared what he wished as to a people able to understand—and we were among them. And whenever, rarely, we did not understand something he had said, we asked him privately, so that nothing he said should be beyond our understanding.”

Mark 4:34 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Peter goes out and explains that Jesus taught by brief pronouncements, which the disciples had explained to them privately.

  • The disciples' asking Jesus privately recalls Mark 4:10, 34.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.6 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.7Schwegler

Εἰδὼς οὖν ἡμᾶς εἰδότας πάντα τὰ ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ῥηθέντα καὶ τὰς ἀποδείξεις παρασχεῖν δυναμένους, εἰς τὰ ἀμαθῆ ἔθνη ἀποστέλλων ἡμᾶς, βαπτίζειν αὐτοὺς εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν, ἐνετείλατο ἡμῖν πρότερον διδάξαι αὐτούς· ἀφʼ ὧν ἐντολῶν αὕτη πρώτη καὶ μεγάλη τυγχάνει, τὸ φοβηθῆναι κύριον τὸν Θεὸν καὶ αὐτῷ μόνῳ λατρεύειν. Θεὸν δὲ φοβεῖσθαι ἐκεῖνον εἶπεν, οὗ οἱ ἄγγελοι οἱ τῶν ἐν ἡμῖν ἐλαχίστων πιστῶν ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ ἑστήκασιν θεωροῦντες τὸ πρόσωπον τοῦ πατρὸς διαπαντός. μορφὴν γὰρ ἔχει, διὰ πρῶτον καὶ μόνον κάλλος· καὶ πάντα μέλη, οὐ διὰ χρῆσιν· οὐ γὰρ διὰ τοῦτο ὀφθαλμοὺς ἔχει, ἵνα ἐκεῖθεν βλέπῃ· πανταχόθεν γὰρ ὁρᾷ, τοῦ ἐν ἡμῖν βλεπτικοῦ πνεύματος ἀπαραβλήτως λαμπρότερος ὤν τὸ σῶμα, καὶ παντὸς φωτὸς στιλπνότερος, ὡς πρὸς σύγκρισιν αὐτοῦ τὸ ἡλίου φῶς λογισθῆναι σκότος. ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ διὰ τοῦτο ὦτα ἔχει, ἵνα ἀκούῃ, πανταχόθεν γὰρ ἀκούει, νοεῖ, κινεῖ, ἐνεργεῖ, ποιεῖ. τὴν δὲ καλλίστην μορφὴν ἔχει διʼ ἄνθρωπον, ἵνα οἱ καθαροὶ τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτὸν ἰδεῖν δυνηθῶσιν, ἵνα χαρῶσιν διʼ ἅ τινα ταῦτα ὑπέμειναν. τῇ γὰρ αὐτοῦ μορφῇ ὡς ἐν μεγίστῃ σφραγίδι τὸν ἄνθρωπον διετυπώσατο, ὅπως ἁπάντων ἄρχῃ καὶ κυριεύῃ, καὶ πάντα αὐτῷ δουλεύῃ. διὸ κρίνας εἶναι τὸ πᾶν αὐτὸν, καὶ τὴν αὐτοῦ εἰκόνα τὸν ἄνθρωπον, αὐτὸς ἀόρατος, ἡ δὲ αὐτοῦ εἰκὼν ὁ ἄνθρωπος, ὁ αὐτὸν σέβειν θέλων τὴν ὁρατὴν αὐτοῦ τιμᾷ εἰκόνα, ὅπερ ἐστὶν ἄνθρωπος. ὅ τι ἂν οὖν τις ποιήσει ἀνθρώπῳ, εἴτε ἀγαθὸν εἴτε κακὸν, εἰς ἐκεῖνον ἀναφέρεται. διὸ καὶ ἡ ἐξ αὐτοῦ κρίσις πᾶσιν κατʼ ἀξίαν ἀπονέμουσα ἑκάστῳ προελεύσεται. τὴν γὰρ αὐτοῦ μορφὴν ἐκδικεῖ.

Eidōs oun hēmas eidotas panta ta hypʼ autou rhēthenta kai tas apodeixeis paraschein dynamenous, eis ta amathē ethnē apostellōn hēmas, baptizein autous eis aphesin hamartiōn, eneteilato hēmin proteron didaxai autous; aphʼ hōn entolōn hautē prōtē kai megalē tynchanei, to phobēthēnai kyrion ton Theon kai autǭ monǭ latreuein. Theon de phobeisthai ekeinon eipen, hou hoi angeloi hoi tōn en hēmin elachistōn pistōn en tǭ ouranǭ hestēkasin theōrountes to prosōpon tou patros diapantos. morphēn gar echei, dia prōton kai monon kallos; kai panta melē, ou dia chrēsin; ou gar dia touto ophthalmous echei, hina ekeithen blepę̄; pantachothen gar horą, tou en hēmin bleptikou pneumatos aparablētōs lamproteros ōn to sōma, kai pantos phōtos stilpnoteros, hōs pros synkrisin autou to hēliou phōs logisthēnai skotos. allʼ oude dia touto ōta echei, hina akouę̄, pantachothen gar akouei, noei, kinei, energei, poiei. tēn de kallistēn morphēn echei diʼ anthrōpon, hina hoi katharoi tę̄ kardią auton idein dynēthōsin, hina charōsin diʼ ha tina tauta hypemeinan. tę̄ gar autou morphę̄ hōs en megistę̄ sphragidi ton anthrōpon dietypōsato, hopōs hapantōn archę̄ kai kyrieuę̄, kai panta autǭ douleuę̄. dio krinas einai to pan auton, kai tēn autou eikona ton anthrōpon, autos aoratos, hē de autou eikōn ho anthrōpos, ho auton sebein thelōn tēn horatēn autou timą eikona, hoper estin anthrōpos. ho ti an oun tis poiēsei anthrōpǭ, eite agathon eite kakon, eis ekeinon anapheretai. dio kai hē ex autou krisis pasin katʼ axian aponemousa hekastǭ proeleusetai. tēn gar autou morphēn ekdikei.

“Knowing, then, that we knew all he had said and were able to supply the proofs, when he sent us to the ignorant nations to baptize them for the forgiveness of sins, he commanded us first to teach them. Of these commandments this is the first and great one: to fear the Lord God and to serve him alone. And he said we should fear that God whose angels—the angels of the least of the faithful among us—stand in heaven, always beholding the face of the Father. For he has a form, for the sake of his first and only beauty, and all limbs, not for use. For he does not have eyes in order to see with them, since he sees on every side, being in body incomparably more brilliant than the seeing spirit in us, and more resplendent than any light, so that in comparison with him the light of the sun would be reckoned darkness. Nor does he have ears in order to hear, for he hears on every side; he thinks, moves, acts, makes. He has the most beautiful form for man's sake, so that the pure in heart may be able to see him, and rejoice for all they have endured. For with his own form, as with the greatest seal, he molded man, so that man might rule and be lord over all, and all things might serve him. Therefore, since he judged that he himself is the All, and man his image—he himself being invisible, while his image, man, is visible—whoever wishes to worship him honors his visible image, which is man. Whatever, then, anyone does to a human being, whether good or bad, passes to him. That is why the judgment that comes from him will go forth, allotting to each according to his desert: for he avenges his own form.”

Matt 28:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 2:38 (echo, medium confidence) · Matt 22:38 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 6:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 18:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:27 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Peter teaches that God has a most beautiful form, after which man was molded, so that whatever is done to a human being is done to God.

  • Allusions: Matt 28:19 with Acts 2:38 (baptism for forgiveness); Matt 22:38 with Deut 6:13 (the first and great commandment given as “fear”); Matt 18:10; Matt 5:8; Gen 1:26–27. The teaching that God has a bodily form is the Homilies' own and was later rejected by most Christian writers.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (digital slip: dropped letter): λαρεύειν → λατρεύειν.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.7 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.8Schwegler

Ἀλλʼ ἐρεῖ τις· εἰ μορφὴν ἔχῃ, καὶ σχῆμα ἔχει καὶ ἐν τόπῳ ἐστίν· ἐν τόπῳ δὲ ὤν καὶ ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ περιεχόμενος ὡς ἥττων, πῶς ὑπὲρ πάντα ἐστὶν μέγας; πῶς δὲ καὶ πανταχῆ εἶναι δύναται, ἐν σχήματι ὤν; πρὸς τὸν ταῦτα λέγοντα πρῶτον ἔστιν εἰπεῖν· τοιαῦτα περὶ αὐτοῦ αἱ γραφαὶ φρονεῖν πείθουσιν καὶ πιστεύειν, ἡμεῖς δὲ ἀληθεῖς γινώσκομεν τὰς μαρτυρουμένας ὑπὸ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, οὗ κατὰ κέλευσιν τὰς ἀποδείξεις ὑμῖν τοῦ οὕτως ἔχειν ἀνάγκη παρέχειν. πρῶτον δὲ περὶ τόπου ἐρῶ. καὶ Θεοῦ τόπος ἐστὶν τὸ μὴ ὄν, Θεὸς δὲ τὸ ὄν· τὸ δὲ μὴ ὄν τῷ ὄντι οὐ συγκρίνεται. πῶς γὰρ τόπος ὤν εἶναι δύναται; ἐκτὸς εἰ μὴ δευτέρα χώρα εἴη, οἷον οὐρανὸς, γῆ, ὕδωρ, ἀὴρ, καὶ εἰ ἄλλο τί ἐστιν σῶμα, ὅ ἂν καὶ αὐτοῦ πληροῦν τὸ κενόν, ὅ διὰ τοῦτο κενὸν λέγεται, ὅτι οὐδέν ἐστιν. τοῦτο γὰρ αὐτῷ, τὸ οὐδὲν, οἰκειότερον ὄνομα. τὸ γὰρ λεγόμενον κενόν τί ποτʼ ὡς σκεῦός ἐστιν οὐδὲν ἔχον, πλὴν αὐτὸ τὸ σκεῦος κενόν, εἴ περ σκεῦος ἔστιν. ἀνάγκη γὰρ πᾶσα τὸ ὄν ἐν τῷ μηδὲν ὄντι εἶναι. τοῦτο δὲ, τὸ μὴ ὄν, λέγω ὅ ὑπό τινων τόπος λέγεται, οὐδὲν ὄν. οὐδὲν δὲ ὄν τῷ ὄντι πῶς συγκρίνεται; ἐκτὸς εἰ μὴ ἐν τοῖς ἐναντίοις, ἵνα τὸ μὲν ὄν μὴ ᾖ, τὸ δὲ μὴ ὂν τόπος λέγηται. εἰ δὲ καὶ ἔστιν τι, πολλῶν παραδειγμάτων σπευδόντων ἐξ ἐμοῦ προελθεῖν εἰς ἀπόδειξιν ἑνὶ μόνῳ χρήσασθαι θέλω, ἵνα δείξω, ὅτι οὐ πάντως τὸ περιέχον τοῦ περιεχομένου κρεῖττόν ἐστιν. ὁ ἥλιος σχῆμά ἐστιν περιφερὲς καὶ ὑπὸ ἀέρος ὅλος περιέχεται, ἀλλὰ τοῦτον ἐκλαμπρύνει, τοῦτον θερμαίνει, τοῦτον τέμνει, κἄν ἀπῇ αὐτοῦ, σκότῳ περιβάλλεται, καὶ οὗ ἄν αὐτοῦ μέρους ἀπὼν γένηται, ὡς νεκρούμενον ψύχεται, ὑπὸ δὲ τῆς αὐτοῦ ἀνατολῆς πάλιν φωτίζεται, καὶ ὅπου ἂν αὐτῷ παραθάλπηται, καὶ κάλλει τῷ μείζονι κοσμεῖται. καὶ ταῦτα ποιεῖ τῇ αὑτοῦ μετουσίᾳ, τὴν οὐσίαν περιωρισμένην ἔχων. τί οὖν ἔτι κωλύει τὸν Θεὸν, ὡς τούτου καὶ πάντων δημιουργὸν καὶ δεσπότην ὄντα, αὐτὸν μὲν ἐν σχήματι καὶ μορφῇ καὶ κάλλει ὄντα, τὴν ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ μετουσίαν ἀπείρως ἐκτεταμένην ἔχειν;

Allʼ erei tis; ei morphēn echę̄, kai schēma echei kai en topǭ estin; en topǭ de ōn kai hypʼ autou periechomenos hōs hēttōn, pōs hyper panta estin megas? pōs de kai pantachē einai dynatai, en schēmati ōn? pros ton tauta legonta prōton estin eipein; toiauta peri autou hai graphai phronein peithousin kai pisteuein, hēmeis de alētheis ginōskomen tas martyroumenas hypo tou kyriou hēmōn Iēsou Christou, hou kata keleusin tas apodeixeis hymin tou houtōs echein anankē parechein. prōton de peri topou erō. kai Theou topos estin to mē on, Theos de to on; to de mē on tǭ onti ou synkrinetai. pōs gar topos ōn einai dynatai? ektos ei mē deutera chōra eiē, hoion ouranos, gē, hydōr, aēr, kai ei allo ti estin sōma, ho an kai autou plēroun to kenon, ho dia touto kenon legetai, hoti ouden estin. touto gar autǭ, to ouden, oikeioteron onoma. to gar legomenon kenon ti potʼ hōs skeuos estin ouden echon, plēn auto to skeuos kenon, ei per skeuos estin. anankē gar pasa to on en tǭ mēden onti einai. touto de, to mē on, legō ho hypo tinōn topos legetai, ouden on. ouden de on tǭ onti pōs synkrinetai? ektos ei mē en tois enantiois, hina to men on mē ę̄, to de mē on topos legētai. ei de kai estin ti, pollōn paradeigmatōn speudontōn ex emou proelthein eis apodeixin heni monǭ chrēsasthai thelō, hina deixō, hoti ou pantōs to periechon tou periechomenou kreitton estin. ho hēlios schēma estin peripheres kai hypo aeros holos periechetai, alla touton eklamprynei, touton thermainei, touton temnei, kan apę̄ autou, skotǭ periballetai, kai hou an autou merous apōn genētai, hōs nekroumenon psychetai, hypo de tēs autou anatolēs palin phōtizetai, kai hopou an autǭ parathalpētai, kai kallei tǭ meizoni kosmeitai. kai tauta poiei tę̄ hautou metousią, tēn ousian periōrismenēn echōn. ti oun eti kōlyei ton Theon, hōs toutou kai pantōn dēmiourgon kai despotēn onta, auton men en schēmati kai morphę̄ kai kallei onta, tēn apʼ autou metousian apeirōs ektetamenēn echein?

“But someone will say: ‘If he has a form, he also has a shape and is in a place; and if he is in a place and contained by it, as being less, how is he great above all? And how can he be everywhere, if he is in a shape?’ To one who says this, the first thing to say is that the Scriptures persuade us to think and believe such things about him, and we know that those passages are true which are attested by our Lord Jesus Christ, at whose command we must give you the proofs that it is so. First I will speak about place. The place of God is the nonexistent, while God is the existent; and the nonexistent is not compared with the existent. For how can place be something existent? Unless it is a second space, such as heaven, earth, water, air, and any other body there may be that fills its void—which is called void for this reason, that it is nothing. For ‘nothing’ is a more fitting name for it. What is called void is, as it were, a vessel holding nothing, except that the vessel itself is empty, if indeed it is a vessel. For it is altogether necessary that what exists be in what is nothing. By this nonexistent I mean what some call place, which is nothing. And being nothing, how is it compared with the existent, except among opposites—so that the existent is not, and the nonexistent is called place? But even if it is something, though many examples press to come forth from me as proof, I will use only one, to show that the container is not always superior to what it contains. The sun is a round shape and is wholly surrounded by air; yet it brightens the air, warms it, cuts through it; if it is absent, the air is wrapped in darkness, and whatever part of it the sun leaves grows cold as if it were dying; but by the sun's rising it is lit again, and wherever it is warmed by it, it is adorned with greater beauty. And the sun does these things by imparting itself, though it has a circumscribed substance. What, then, prevents God—the Creator and Lord of this and of all things—while himself being in shape and form and beauty, from having what he imparts from himself extended without limit?”

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Summary: Peter argues that place is nothing and that, like the sun in the air, God can have a form and yet extend his power infinitely.

  • The argument about place and the void is compressed and in places obscure; translated as literally as sense allows.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.8 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.9Schwegler

Εἶς οὖν ἐστιν ὁ ὄντως Θεὸς, ὅς ἐν κρείττονι μορφῇ προκαθέζεται, τοῦ ἄνω τε καὶ κάτω δὶς ὑπάρχων καρδία, καὶ ἀπʼ αὑτοῦ ὥσπερ ἀπὸ κέντρου βρύουσα τὴν ζωτικὴν καὶ ἀσώματον δύναμιν, τὰ πάντα σύν τε ἄστροις καὶ νομοῖς οὐρανοῦ, ἀέρος, ὕδατος, γῆς, πυρὸς καὶ εἰ ἄλλο τί ἐστιν, δείκνυται οὐσία ἄπειρος εἰς ὕψος, ἀπέραντος εἰς βάθος, ἀμέτρητος εἰς πλάτος, τρὶς ἐπʼ ἄπειρον τὴν ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ ζωοποιὸν καὶ φρόνιμον ἐκτείνουσα φύσιν. τοῦτο οὖν τὸ ἐξ αὐτοῦ πανταχόθεν ἄπειρον ἀνάγκη εἶναι καρδίαν, ἔχον τὸν ὄντως ὑπὲρ πάντα ἐν σχήματι, ὅς ὅπου πότʼ ἂν ᾖ, ὡς ἐν ἀπείρῳ μέσος ἐστὶν, τοῦ παντὸς ὑπάρχων ὅρος. ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ οὖν ἀρχόμεναι αἱ ἐκτάσεις ἐξ ἀπεράντων ἔχουσιν τὴν φύσιν. ὧν ὁ μὲν ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ λαβὼν τὴν ἀρχὴν δείκνυται εἰς ὕψος ἄνω, ὁ δὲ εἰς βάθος κάτω, ὁ δὲ ἐπὶ δεξιάν, ὁ δὲ ἐπὶ λαιάν, ὁ δὲ ἔμπροσθεν, ὁ δὲ ὄπισθεν, εἰς οὓς αὐτὸς ἀποβλέπων ὡς εἰς ἀριθμὸν πανταχόθεν ἴσον χρονικοῖς ἕξ διαστήμασιν συντελεῖ τὸν κόσμον, αὐτὸς ἀνάπαυσις ὤν καὶ τὸν ἐσόμενον ἄπειρον αἰῶνα εἰκόνα ἔχων, ἀρχὴ ὤν καὶ τελευτή. εἰς αὐτὸν γὰρ τὰ ἕξ ἄπειρα τελευτᾷ, καὶ ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ τὴν εἰς ἄπειρον ἔκτασιν λαμβάνει.

Eis oun estin ho ontōs Theos, hos en kreittoni morphę̄ prokathezetai, tou anō te kai katō dis hyparchōn kardia, kai apʼ hautou hōsper apo kentrou bryousa tēn zōtikēn kai asōmaton dynamin, ta panta syn te astrois kai nomois ouranou, aeros, hydatos, gēs, pyros kai ei allo ti estin, deiknytai ousia apeiros eis hypsos, aperantos eis bathos, ametrētos eis platos, tris epʼ apeiron tēn apʼ autou zōopoion kai phronimon ekteinousa physin. touto oun to ex autou pantachothen apeiron anankē einai kardian, echon ton ontōs hyper panta en schēmati, hos hopou potʼ an ę̄, hōs en apeirǭ mesos estin, tou pantos hyparchōn horos. apʼ autou oun archomenai hai ektaseis ex aperantōn echousin tēn physin. hōn ho men apʼ autou labōn tēn archēn deiknytai eis hypsos anō, ho de eis bathos katō, ho de epi dexian, ho de epi laian, ho de emprosthen, ho de opisthen, eis hous autos apoblepōn hōs eis arithmon pantachothen ison chronikois hex diastēmasin syntelei ton kosmon, autos anapausis ōn kai ton esomenon apeiron aiōna eikona echōn, archē ōn kai teleutē. eis auton gar ta hex apeira teleutą, kai apʼ autou tēn eis apeiron ektasin lambanei.

“There is, then, one who is truly God, who presides in a superior form, being twice over the heart of what is above and below, and pouring forth from himself, as from a center, the life-giving and incorporeal power. All things—with the stars and regions of heaven, air, water, earth, fire, and whatever else there is—are shown to be a substance infinite in height, boundless in depth, immeasurable in breadth, extending threefold into infinity the life-giving and wise nature that comes from him. This infinity, then, going out from him on every side, must have as its heart him who truly is above all, in a shape; and wherever he is, he is as it were in the middle of the infinite, being the boundary of the universe. Beginning from him, then, the extensions have their nature from the boundless. One of them, taking its beginning from him, extends upward in height, another downward in depth, another to the right, another to the left, another forward, another backward; and looking to these as to a number equal on every side, he completes the world in six intervals of time, being himself the rest, and having the boundless age to come as his image, being beginning and end. For in him the six infinites end, and from him they take their extension into the infinite.”

Gen 2:2 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rev 22:13 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Peter describes God as the center and heart of the universe, from whom six infinite directions extend, corresponding to the six days of creation.

  • The six directions and the six days of creation, with God as the seventh and the rest, recall Gen 2:2; “beginning and end” recalls Rev 21:6 and 22:13. A similar speculation on the six directions and the seventh occurs in Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 6.16.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.9 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.10Schwegler

Τοῦτό ἐστιν ἑβδομάδος μυστήριον. αὐτὸς γάρ ἐστιν ἡ τῶν ὅλων ἀνάπαυσις, ὡς τοῖς ἐν μικρῷ μιμουμένοις αὐτοῦ τι μέγα αὑτὸν χαρίζεται εἰς ἀνάπαυσιν. αὐτός ἐστιν μόνος, πῇ μὲν καταληπτὸς, τὰς ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ ἐκτάσεις ἔχων εἰς ἄπειρον. οὗτος γὰρ καταληπτός ἐστιν καὶ ἀκατάληπτος, ἐγγὺς καὶ μακρὰν, ὧδε ὤν κἀκεῖ, ὡς μόνος ὑπάρχων καὶ διὰ τοῦ πανταχόθεν ἀπείρου νοὸς τὴν μετουσίαν, ᾗ πάντων ἀναπνέουσιν αἱ ψυχαὶ, τὸ ζῆν ἔχουσιν· κἄν χωρισθῶσιν τοῦ σώματος, καὶ τὸν εἰς αὐτὸν εὑρεθῶσιν πόθον ἔχουσαι, εἰς τὸν αὐτοῦ κόλπον φέρονται, ὡς ἐν χειμῶνι ὥρας οἱ ἀτμοὶ τῶν ὀρῶν ἀπὸ τῶν τοῦ ἡλίου ἀκτίνων ἑλκόμενοι φέρονται πρὸς αὐτὸν ἀθάνατοι. οἵαν οὖν στοργὴν συλλαβεῖν δυνάμεθα, ἐὰν τὴν εὐμορφίαν αὐτοῦ τῷ νῷ κατοπτεύσωμεν! ἄλλως δὲ ἀμήχανον. ἀδύνατον γὰρ κάλλος ἄνευ μορφῆς εἶναι, καὶ πρὸς τὸν αὑτοῦ ἔρωτα ἐπισπᾶσθαί τινα, ἢ καὶ δοκεῖν Θεὸν ὁρᾶν εἶδος οὐκ ἔχοντα.

Touto estin hebdomados mystērion. autos gar estin hē tōn holōn anapausis, hōs tois en mikrǭ mimoumenois autou ti mega hauton charizetai eis anapausin. autos estin monos, pę̄ men katalēptos, tas apʼ autou ektaseis echōn eis apeiron. houtos gar katalēptos estin kai akatalēptos, engys kai makran, hōde ōn kakei, hōs monos hyparchōn kai dia tou pantachothen apeirou noos tēn metousian, hę̄ pantōn anapneousin hai psychai, to zēn echousin; kan chōristhōsin tou sōmatos, kai ton eis auton heurethōsin pothon echousai, eis ton autou kolpon pherontai, hōs en cheimōni hōras hoi atmoi tōn orōn apo tōn tou hēliou aktinōn helkomenoi pherontai pros auton athanatoi. hoian oun storgēn syllabein dynametha, ean tēn eumorphian autou tǭ nǭ katopteusōmen! allōs de amēchanon. adynaton gar kallos aneu morphēs einai, kai pros ton hautou erōta epispasthai tina, ē kai dokein Theon horan eidos ouk echonta.

“This is the mystery of the seventh. For he is the rest of all things, and to those who in small measure imitate his greatness he grants himself as their rest. He alone is, in one respect, comprehensible, having his extensions reaching from him into the infinite. For he is comprehensible and incomprehensible, near and far, here and there, being the only one; and through the sharing of his mind, infinite on every side, by which the souls of all breathe, they have life. And if they are separated from the body and are found to have longing for him, they are borne into his bosom, immortal, as in wintertime the mists of the mountains, drawn by the rays of the sun, are borne up to it. What love, then, can we conceive, if we contemplate his beauty of form with the mind! Otherwise it is impossible. For it is impossible for there to be beauty without form, or for it to draw anyone to love of itself, or for anyone even to think he sees God if God has no appearance.”

Jer 23:23 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Peter calls God the rest of all things, near and far, into whose bosom loving souls are drawn after death.

  • “Near and far” recalls Jer 23:23.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.10 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.11Schwegler

Τινὲς δὲ τῆς ἀληθείας ἀλλότριοι ὄντες, καὶ τῇ κακίᾳ συμμαχοῦντες, προφάσει δοξολογίας ἀσχημάτιστον αὐτὸν λέγουσιν, ἵνα ἄμορφος καὶ ἀνείδεος ὤν μηδενὶ ὁρατὸς ᾖ, ὅπως μὴ περιπόθητος γένηται. νοῦς γὰρ εἶδος οὐχ ὁρῶν Θεοῦ κενός ἐστιν αὐτοῦ. πῶς δὲ καὶ εὔχεταί τις, οὐκ ἔχων πρὸς τίνα καταφύγῃ, εἰς τίνα ἐρείσῃ; ἀντιτυπίαν γὰρ οὐκ ἔχων εἰς κενὸν ἐκβαθρεύεται. ναὶ, φησὶν, οὐ χρὴ Θεὸν φοβεῖσθαι, ἀλλʼ ἀγαπᾶν. φημὶ κἀγώ. ἀλλὰ τοῦτο παρέξει ἑκάστης εὐποιΐας εὐσυνειδησία. ἡ δὲ εὐποιΐα ἐκ τοῦ φοβεῖσθαι γίνεται. ἀλλʼ ὁ φόβος, φησίν, ἐκπλήσσει τὴν ψυχήν. ἀλλʼ ἐγώ φημι ὅτι οὐκ ἐκπλήσσει, ἀλλʼ ἐξυπνίζει καὶ ἐπιστρέφει. ἴσως δὲ ὀρθῶς ἐλέγετο μὴ δεῖν Θεὸν φοβεῖσθαι, εἰ μὴ πολλὰ ἕτερα οἱ ἄνθρωποι ἐφοβούμεθα, λέγω δὴ τὰς ἐκ τῶν ὁμοίων ἐπιβουλὰς, ἔτι δὲ θηρία, ἑρπετὰ, νόσους, πάθη, δαίμονας καὶ ἄλλα μυρία. ὁ οὖν ἡμᾶς ἀξιῶν μὴ φοβεῖσθαι Θεὸν, τούτων ἡμᾶς ῥυσάσθω, ἵνα μηδὲ ταῦτα φοβώμεθα. εἰ δὲ οὐ δύναται, τί ἡμῖν φθονεῖ, ἑνὶ φόβῳ, τῷ πρὸς τὸ δίκαιον, μυρίων ἀπαλλαγῆναι φόβων, βραχείᾳ τῇ πρὸς αὐτὸν πίστει μυρία πάθη καὶ ἑαυτῶν καὶ ἄλλων μετατιθέναι δυνατὸν γενέσθαι, μετὰ τοῦ καὶ ἀμοιβὴν ἀγαθῶν προςδέχεσθαι, καὶ αἰτίᾳ φόβου τοῦ πάντα ὁρῶντος Θεοῦ μηδὲν κακὸν πράσσοντας καὶ ἐν τῷ παρόντι ἐν εἰρήνῃ διατελεῖν.

Tines de tēs alētheias allotrioi ontes, kai tę̄ kakią symmachountes, prophasei doxologias aschēmatiston auton legousin, hina amorphos kai aneideos ōn mēdeni horatos ę̄, hopōs mē peripothētos genētai. nous gar eidos ouch horōn Theou kenos estin autou. pōs de kai euchetai tis, ouk echōn pros tina kataphygę̄, eis tina ereisę̄? antitypian gar ouk echōn eis kenon ekbathreuetai. nai, phēsin, ou chrē Theon phobeisthai, allʼ agapan. phēmi kagō. alla touto parexei hekastēs eupoiïas eusyneidēsia. hē de eupoiïa ek tou phobeisthai ginetai. allʼ ho phobos, phēsin, ekplēssei tēn psychēn. allʼ egō phēmi hoti ouk ekplēssei, allʼ exypnizei kai epistrephei. isōs de orthōs elegeto mē dein Theon phobeisthai, ei mē polla hetera hoi anthrōpoi ephoboumetha, legō dē tas ek tōn homoiōn epiboulas, eti de thēria, herpeta, nosous, pathē, daimonas kai alla myria. ho oun hēmas axiōn mē phobeisthai Theon, toutōn hēmas rhysasthō, hina mēde tauta phobōmetha. ei de ou dynatai, ti hēmin phthonei, heni phobǭ, tǭ pros to dikaion, myriōn apallagēnai phobōn, bracheią tę̄ pros auton pistei myria pathē kai heautōn kai allōn metatithenai dynaton genesthai, meta tou kai amoibēn agathōn prosdechesthai, kai aitią phobou tou panta horōntos Theou mēden kakon prassontas kai en tǭ paronti en eirēnę̄ diatelein.

“But some, being strangers to the truth and allies of wickedness, say under a pretext of glorifying him that he has no shape, so that, being formless and without appearance, he may be visible to no one, so that he may not be longed for. For a mind that does not see the form of God is empty of him. And how can anyone pray, having no one to flee to, no one to lean on? For having nothing to meet him, he is thrown off his foundation into the void. ‘Yes,’ he says, ‘one ought not to fear God, but to love him.’ I say so too. But a good conscience from each good deed will provide this love; and good deeds come from fearing. ‘But fear,’ he says, ‘strikes the soul with terror.’ But I say that it does not strike it with terror, but wakens it and turns it back. Perhaps it would rightly be said that one ought not to fear God, if we human beings did not fear many other things—I mean plots from our fellows, and further wild beasts, reptiles, diseases, sufferings, demons, and countless other things. Let him, then, who requires us not to fear God rescue us from these, so that we may not fear them either. But if he cannot, why does he begrudge us being freed from countless fears by one fear, the fear of the Just One; being able, by a little faith in him, to remove countless sufferings, our own and others'; while also expecting a reward of good things, and, through fear of God who sees all, doing no evil and so continuing in peace even in the present?”

1 John 4:18 (echo, low confidence) · Matt 17:20 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Peter rejects a formless God and defends the fear of God as the source of good deeds and freedom from other fears.

  • The objection that God should be loved, not feared, may echo 1 John 4:18; the power of “a little faith” recalls Matt 17:20.

Topics: Prayer, Ethics

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.11 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.12Schwegler

Οὕτως ἡ πρὸς τὸν ὄντως δεσπότην εὐγνώμων δουλεία τοὺς λοιποὺς πάντας ἐλευθέρους τίθησιν. εἰ μὲν οὖν τινι δυνατόν ἐστιν, ἄνευ τοῦ φοβεῖσθαι τὸν Θεὸν μὴ ἁμαρτάνειν, μὴ φοβείσθω. ἔξεστιν γὰρ ἀγάπῃ τῇ πρὸς αὐτὸν ὅ αὐτῷ μὴ δοκῇ μὴ πράττειν. καὶ γὰρ φοβηθῆναι γέγραπται, καὶ ἀγαπᾶν παρήγγελται· ἵνα πρὸς τὴν αὑτοῦ ἕκαστος κρᾶσιν ἐπιτηδείῳ χρήσηται φαρμάκῳ. φοβεῖσθαι οὖν αὐτὸν ἔστιν, ὅτι δίκαιός ἐστιν. εἴτε οὖν φοβούμενοι, εἴτε ἀγαπῶντες, μὴ ἁμαρτάνετε. γένοιτο δὲ φοβούμενόν τινα ἡδονῶν ἀνόμων κρατεῖν δύνασθαι, ἀλλότρια μὴ ἐπιθυμεῖν, φιλανθρωπίαν ἀσκεῖν, σωφρονεῖν, δικαιοπραγεῖν. ὁρῶ γάρ τινας ἀτελεῖς τῷ πρὸς αὐτὸν φόβῳ πλεῖστα ἁμαρτάνοντας. φοβηθῶμεν οὖν τὸν Θεὸν, μὴ μόνον ὅτι δίκαιός ἐστιν. ἐλεῶν γὰρ τοὺς ἠδικημένους τιμωρεῖ τοὺς ἠδικηκότας. ὡς οὖν ὕδωρ πῦρ σβέννυσιν, οὕτως καὶ φόβος τὴν τῶν κακῶν ἐπιθυμίαν ἀναιρεῖ. ὁ ἀφοβίαν διδάσκων οὐδʼ αὐτὸς φοβεῖται, ὁ δὲ μὴ φοβούμενος οὐδὲ κρίσιν ἔσεσθαι πιστεύει, τὰς ἐπιθυμίας αὔξει, μαγεύει, ἄλλους ἐφʼ οἷς αὐτὸς πράσσει διαβάλλει.

Houtōs hē pros ton ontōs despotēn eugnōmōn douleia tous loipous pantas eleutherous tithēsin. ei men oun tini dynaton estin, aneu tou phobeisthai ton Theon mē hamartanein, mē phobeisthō. exestin gar agapę̄ tę̄ pros auton ho autǭ mē dokę̄ mē prattein. kai gar phobēthēnai gegraptai, kai agapan parēngeltai; hina pros tēn hautou hekastos krasin epitēdeiǭ chrēsētai pharmakǭ. phobeisthai oun auton estin, hoti dikaios estin. eite oun phoboumenoi, eite agapōntes, mē hamartanete. genoito de phoboumenon tina hēdonōn anomōn kratein dynasthai, allotria mē epithymein, philanthrōpian askein, sōphronein, dikaiopragein. horō gar tinas ateleis tǭ pros auton phobǭ pleista hamartanontas. phobēthōmen oun ton Theon, mē monon hoti dikaios estin. eleōn gar tous ēdikēmenous timōrei tous ēdikēkotas. hōs oun hydōr pyr sbennysin, houtōs kai phobos tēn tōn kakōn epithymian anairei. ho aphobian didaskōn oudʼ autos phobeitai, ho de mē phoboumenos oude krisin esesthai pisteuei, tas epithymias auxei, mageuei, allous ephʼ hois autos prassei diaballei.

“Thus a grateful service toward the true Master sets one free from all others. If, then, it is possible for anyone not to sin without fearing God, let him not fear; for he may, out of love for him, refrain from doing what does not please him. For it is written that we should fear, and it is also commanded that we should love, so that each may use the remedy suited to his own temperament. It is right, then, to fear him, because he is just. So whether you fear or love, do not sin. Would that one who fears were able to master lawless pleasures, not to desire what belongs to another, to practice kindness, to be self-controlled, to act justly! For I see some who, imperfect in their fear of him, sin a great deal. Let us fear God, then, and not only because he is just; for in pitying those who are wronged he punishes those who have done the wrong. As water quenches fire, so fear takes away the desire for evil. One who teaches fearlessness is himself without fear; and one who does not fear does not even believe there will be a judgment: he increases his desires, practices magic, and slanders others for what he himself does.”

Deut 6:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 6:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 10:12 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Peter teaches that both fear and love of God serve to keep people from sin, and that one who teaches fearlessness denies the judgment.

  • The commands to fear and to love God: Deut 6:13 and 6:5 (cf. Deut 10:12).

Topics: Ethics

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.12 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.13Schwegler

Ταῦτα ὁ Σίμων ἀκούων ἐπικόψας ἔφη· οἶδα πρὸς τίνα ταῦτα λέγεις, ἀλλʼ ἵνα μὴ αὐτὸς τὰ αὐτὰ λέγων πρὸς τὸ ἐλέγχειν σε δαπανῶ τὸν χρόνον εἰς ἃ μὴ θέλω, πρὸς τὰ ὁρισθέντα ἡμῖν ἀπόκριναι. ἐπηγγείλω, ἱκανῶς νενοηκέναι σε τὰ τοῦ διδασκάλου σου λέγων, διὰ τὸ παρόντα ἐναργείᾳ ὁρᾶν καὶ ἀκούειν αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἑτέρῳ τινὶ μὴ δυνατὸν εἶναι ὁράματι ἢ ὀπτασίᾳ ἔχειν τὸ ὅμοιον. ὅτι δὲ τοῦτο ψεῦδός ἐστιν, δείξω. ὁ ἐναργῶς ἀκούων τινὸς οὐ πάνυ πληροφορεῖται ἐπὶ τοῖς λεγομένοις. ἔχει γὰρ ὁ νοῦς αὐτοῦ λογίσασθαι, μὴ ἄρα ψεύδεται, ἄνθρωπος ὤν τὸ φαινόμενον. ἡ δὲ ὀπτασία ἅμα τῷ ὀφθῆναι πίστιν παρέχει τῷ ὁρῶντι, ὅτι θειότης ἐστίν. πρὸς τοῦτό μοι πρῶτον ἀπόκριναι.

Tauta ho Simōn akouōn epikopsas ephē; oida pros tina tauta legeis, allʼ hina mē autos ta auta legōn pros to elenchein se dapanō ton chronon eis ha mē thelō, pros ta horisthenta hēmin apokrinai. epēngeilō, hikanōs nenoēkenai se ta tou didaskalou sou legōn, dia to paronta enargeią horan kai akouein autou, kai heterǭ tini mē dynaton einai horamati ē optasią echein to homoion. hoti de touto pseudos estin, deixō. ho enargōs akouōn tinos ou pany plērophoreitai epi tois legomenois. echei gar ho nous autou logisasthai, mē ara pseudetai, anthrōpos ōn to phainomenon. hē de optasia hama tǭ ophthēnai pistin parechei tǭ horōnti, hoti theiotēs estin. pros touto moi prōton apokrinai.

Hearing this, Simon interrupted and said: “I know whom you are aiming at with these words. But so that I may not spend my time on what I do not wish by saying the same things myself in refuting you, answer on the points we agreed. You declared that you had understood your teacher's teachings adequately because you saw and heard him present, by direct sight, and that it is not possible for anyone else to have the like by a vision or an apparition. That this is false I will show. One who hears someone by direct sight is not at all fully assured of what is said. For his mind can reason whether what appears is perhaps lying, being a man. But an apparition, in the very act of being seen, gives the seer confidence that it is divine. Answer me this first.”

Gal 1:12 (echo, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 15:8 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Simon argues that a divine apparition gives more certainty than seeing and hearing a man in person.

  • Many scholars read Simon in 17.13–19 as standing for Paul, who claimed to know Jesus through revelation (Gal 1:12, 16; 1 Cor 9:1; 15:8), against Peter, who had been with him.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.13 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.14Schwegler

Καὶ ὁ Πέτρος ἔφη· εἰς ἄλλο προτείνας εἰπεῖν, εἰς ἕτερον ἀπεκρίνου. προέτεινας γὰρ ὡς μᾶλλον δύνασθαί τινα πλεῖον νοεῖν παρʼ ὀπτασίας ἀκούοντα, ἢ γὰρ παρὰ τῆς ἐναργείας, ἐπιβαλὼν δὲ ἔπειθες ἡμᾶς, ὅτι ἀσφαλέστερός ἐστιν ὁ ὑπʼ ὀπτασίας ἀκούων τοῦ παρʼ αὐτῆς ἐναργείας ἀκούοντος. πέρας γοῦν διὰ τοῦτο ἐμοῦ ἱκανώτερον ἔφασκες εἰδέναι τὰ τοῦ Ἰησοῦ, ὡς ὑπʼ ὀπτασίας αὐτοῦ ἀκηκοὼς τὸν λόγον. πλὴν ἐγὼ εἰς τὸ ἀπαρχῆς προταθὲν ἀποκριναίμην. ὁ προφήτης, ὅτι προφήτης ἐστὶν, πληροφορήσας πρῶτον περὶ τῶν ἐναργῶς ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ λεγομένων, ἀσφαλῶς πιστεύεται, ἀληθὴς ὤν προεπιγνωσθείς, καὶ ὡς ὁ μανθάνων θέλει, ἐξετασθεὶς καὶ ἀνακριθεὶς ἀποκρίνεται. ὁ δὲ ὀπτασίᾳ πιστεύων ἢ ὁράματι καὶ ἐνυπνίῳ, ἐπισφαλής ἐστιν. ἀγνοεῖ γὰρ τίνι πιστεύει. ἐνδέχεται γὰρ αὐτὸν ἢ δαίμονα κακὸν εἶναι, ἢ πνεῦμα πλάνον, ἐν τῷ λέγειν ὑποκρινόμενον εἶναι ὅ μή ἐστιν. εἰ ἄρα τις βουληθείη πυνθάνεσθαι τὸ τίς ἄν ὁ φανείς, δύναται λέγειν ἑαυτῷ ὅ βούλεται. καὶ οὕτως ὡς πονηρὸς ἀστράψας, μείνας ὅσον θέλει, ἀποσβέννυται, μὴ παραμείνας τῷ πυνθανομένῳ εἰς ἀνάκρισιν ὅσον ἠθέλησεν. διὰ δὲ ἐνυπνίων ὁρῶν τις οὐδὲ πυνθάνεσθαι δύναται περὶ ὧν βούλεται. οὐ γὰρ ἰδίας ἐξουσίας ἐστὶν ὁ λογισμὸς τοῦ κοιμωμένου. ἔνθεν γοῦν πολλὰ ἡμεῖς οἱ παρεπιθυμοῦντες μαθεῖν κατʼ ὄναρ περὶ ἑτέρων πυνθανόμεθα, ἢ καὶ μὴ πυνθανόμενοι περὶ τῶν μὴ διαφερόντων ἡμῖν ἀκούμεν, καὶ διυπνισθέντες ἀθυμοῦμεν, ὅτι περὶ ὧν ἐπιθυμοῦμεν μαθεῖν, οὔτε ἠκούσαμεν, οὔτε ἐξητάσαμεν.

Kai ho Petros ephē; eis allo proteinas eipein, eis heteron apekrinou. proeteinas gar hōs mallon dynasthai tina pleion noein parʼ optasias akouonta, ē gar para tēs enargeias, epibalōn de epeithes hēmas, hoti asphalesteros estin ho hypʼ optasias akouōn tou parʼ autēs enargeias akouontos. peras goun dia touto emou hikanōteron ephaskes eidenai ta tou Iēsou, hōs hypʼ optasias autou akēkoōs ton logon. plēn egō eis to aparchēs protathen apokrinaimēn. ho prophētēs, hoti prophētēs estin, plērophorēsas prōton peri tōn enargōs hypʼ autou legomenōn, asphalōs pisteuetai, alēthēs ōn proepignōstheis, kai hōs ho manthanōn thelei, exetastheis kai anakritheis apokrinetai. ho de optasią pisteuōn ē horamati kai enypniǭ, episphalēs estin. agnoei gar tini pisteuei. endechetai gar auton ē daimona kakon einai, ē pneuma planon, en tǭ legein hypokrinomenon einai ho mē estin. ei ara tis boulētheiē pynthanesthai to tis an ho phaneis, dynatai legein heautǭ ho bouletai. kai houtōs hōs ponēros astrapsas, meinas hoson thelei, aposbennytai, mē parameinas tǭ pynthanomenǭ eis anakrisin hoson ēthelēsen. dia de enypniōn horōn tis oude pynthanesthai dynatai peri hōn bouletai. ou gar idias exousias estin ho logismos tou koimōmenou. enthen goun polla hēmeis hoi parepithymountes mathein katʼ onar peri heterōn pynthanometha, ē kai mē pynthanomenoi peri tōn mē diapherontōn hēmin akoumen, kai diypnisthentes athymoumen, hoti peri hōn epithymoumen mathein, oute ēkousamen, oute exētasamen.

And Peter said: “You proposed to speak to one point and answered on another. For you proposed that one could understand more by hearing from an apparition than from direct sight; but as you went on, you tried to persuade us that one who hears through an apparition is surer than one who hears by direct sight. Indeed, it was on this ground that you claimed to know the things of Jesus better than I, as having heard his word through an apparition. But I will answer what was proposed at the start. The prophet, having first given full assurance that he is a prophet, is believed with certainty in what he says directly, since he has already been recognized as true; and, questioned and examined as the learner wishes, he answers. But one who trusts an apparition, or a vision and a dream, is on unsafe ground; for he does not know whom he is trusting. It may be an evil demon or a deceiving spirit, pretending in what it says to be what it is not. And if one should wish to ask who it is that appeared, it can say of itself whatever it likes. And so, like an evil thing, it flashes out, stays as long as it wishes, and is extinguished, not staying with the inquirer for questioning as long as he wished. And one who sees by dreams cannot even ask about what he wishes; for the reasoning of a sleeper is not under his own control. So it is that we, who long to learn about many things, in our dreams ask about other things, or without asking hear about things that do not concern us, and on waking we are disheartened because we neither heard nor examined what we desired to learn.”

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Summary: Peter answers that a known prophet can be questioned, while apparitions and dreams may come from deceiving demons.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.14 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.15Schwegler

Καὶ ὁ Σίμων ἔφη· εἰ φῂς τὰς ὀπτασίας μὴ πάντως ἀληθεύειν, ἀλλʼ οὖν γε τὰ ὁράματα καὶ τὰ ἐνύπνια θεόπεμπτα ὄντα οὐ ψεύδεται, περὶ ὧν ἄν εἰπεῖν θέλῃ. καὶ ὁ Πέτρος ἔφη· ὀρθῶς ἔφης, ὅτι θεόπεμπτα ὄντα οὐ ψεύδεται. ἄδηλον δὲ εἰ ὁ ἰδὼν θεόπεμπτον ἑώρακεν ὄνειρον. καὶ ὁ Σίμων· ἐὰν ᾖ ὁ ἑωρακὼς δίκαιος, ἀληθὲς ἑώρακεν. καὶ ὁ Πέτρος· ὀρθῶς ἔφης. τίς δὲ δίκαιος, εἰ ὁράματος χρῄζῃ, ἵνα μάθῃ ἃ δεῖ μαθεῖν, καὶ ποιῇ ἅ δεῖ ποιεῖν; καὶ ὁ Σίμων· τοῦτό μοι δός, ὅτι μόνος ὁ δίκαιος ὅραμα ἀληθὲς ἰδεῖν δύναται, καὶ ἀποκρίνομαί σοι εἰς αὐτό. ἐμοὶ ὅτι ἀσεβὴς ἀληθῆ ὄνειρον οὐχ ὁρᾷ. καὶ ὁ Πέτρος· ἐστιν, καὶ περὶ τούτου ἀγράφως καὶ ἐγγράφως ἀποδεῖξαι δύναμαι, πεῖσαι δὲ οὐκ ἐπαγγέλλομαι. ὁ γὰρ πρὸς ἔρωτα μοχθηρᾶς νεύσας γυναικὸς εἰς ἑτέρας κατὰ πάντα καλῆς πρὸς συμβίωσιν νόμιμον τὸν ἑαυτοῦ οὐ μετατίθησιν νοῦν· ἐνίοτε καὶ ἑαυτοῖς συνειδότες τὴν κρείττονα, προειλημμένοι ἀγαπῶσιν τὴν χείρονα. τοιοῦτόν τι καὶ σὺ πάσχων ἀγνοεῖς. καὶ ὁ Σίμων ἔφη· παρελόμενος ταῦτα, εἰς ἅ ἐπηγγείλω λέγε. ἐμοὶ γὰρ ἀδύνατον εἶναι δοκεῖ ἀσεβεῖς ἀνθρώπους ὑπὸ Θεοῦ ᾧ δήποτε ὀνειροπολεῖσθαι τρόπῳ.

Kai ho Simōn ephē; ei phę̄s tas optasias mē pantōs alētheuein, allʼ oun ge ta horamata kai ta enypnia theopempta onta ou pseudetai, peri hōn an eipein thelę̄. kai ho Petros ephē; orthōs ephēs, hoti theopempta onta ou pseudetai. adēlon de ei ho idōn theopempton heōraken oneiron. kai ho Simōn; ean ę̄ ho heōrakōs dikaios, alēthes heōraken. kai ho Petros; orthōs ephēs. tis de dikaios, ei horamatos chrę̄zę̄, hina mathę̄ ha dei mathein, kai poię̄ ha dei poiein? kai ho Simōn; touto moi dos, hoti monos ho dikaios horama alēthes idein dynatai, kai apokrinomai soi eis auto. emoi hoti asebēs alēthē oneiron ouch horą. kai ho Petros; estin, kai peri toutou agraphōs kai engraphōs apodeixai dynamai, peisai de ouk epangellomai. ho gar pros erōta mochthēras neusas gynaikos eis heteras kata panta kalēs pros symbiōsin nomimon ton heautou ou metatithēsin noun; eniote kai heautois syneidotes tēn kreittona, proeilēmmenoi agapōsin tēn cheirona. toiouton ti kai sy paschōn agnoeis. kai ho Simōn ephē; parelomenos tauta, eis ha epēngeilō lege. emoi gar adynaton einai dokei asebeis anthrōpous hypo Theou hǭ dēpote oneiropoleisthai tropǭ.

And Simon said: “Even if you say that apparitions are not always truthful, yet visions and dreams, being sent by God, do not lie about whatever they may wish to say.” And Peter said: “You said rightly that, being sent by God, they do not lie. But it is uncertain whether the one who saw has seen a God-sent dream.” And Simon: “If the one who has seen is righteous, what he has seen is true.” And Peter: “You said rightly. But who is righteous, if he needs a vision to learn what he must learn and to do what he must do?” And Simon: “Grant me this, that only the righteous can see a true vision, and I will answer you on that point. For I hold that an ungodly man does not see a true dream.” And Peter: “He does; and on this I can give proof both from reasoning and from Scripture, though I do not promise to persuade you. For one who has inclined to the love of a wicked woman does not turn his mind to another, good in every way, for a lawful life together; sometimes, though they know the better one well, being already captured, they love the worse. You too are suffering something like this without knowing it.” And Simon said: “Leave this aside and speak to what you promised. For it seems to me impossible that ungodly people should be given dreams by God in any way at all.”

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Summary: Simon claims only the righteous receive true dreams; Peter undertakes to prove that the ungodly also do.

  • Peter's reply begins with the single word ἔστιν (“it is so”); rendered “He does” by sense.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.15 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.16Schwegler

Καὶ ὁ Πέτρος ἔφη· μέμνημαι ἐμαυτοῦ, ὡς ἐπηγγειλάμην δεῖξαι, καὶ ἀγράφως καὶ ἐγγράφως περὶ τούτου τὴν ἀπόδειξιν παρέχειν. καὶ νῦν λέγοντος ἄκουε. ἴσμεν πολλοὺς, εἴ γε εὐγνωμονεῖς (ἐπεί γε τοὺς παρεστῶτας κριτὰς ἔχω), εἴδωλα σέβοντας καὶ μοιχεύοντας καὶ κατὰ πάντα ἁμαρτάνοντας ὁράματα καὶ ἀληθεῖς ὀνείρους ὁρῶντας, ἐνίους δὲ καὶ δαιμόνων ὀπτασίας. τὴν ἄσαρκον εἰδέαν οὐ λέγω δύνασθαι πατρὸς ἢ υἱοῦ ἰδεῖν, διὰ τὸ μεγίστῳ φωτὶ καταυγάζεσθαι τοὺς θνητῶν ὀφθαλμούς. ὅθεν τὸ μὴ ὁρασθῆναι τῷ εἰς σάρκα τετραμμένῳ ἀνθρώπῳ οὐ φθονοῦντός ἐστιν Θεοῦ, ἀλλʼ ἐῶντος. ὁ γὰρ ἰδὼν ζῆν οὐ δύναται. ἡ γὰρ ὑπερβολὴ τοῦ φωτὸς τὴν τοῦ ὁρῶντος ἐκλύει σάρκα, ἐκτὸς εἰ μὴ Θεοῦ ἀποῤῥήτῳ δυνάμει ἡ σὰρξ εἰς φύσιν τραπῇ φωτός, ἵνα φῶς ἰδεῖν δυνηθῇ, ἢ ἡ τοῦ φωτὸς οὐσία εἰς σάρκα τραπῇ, ἵνα ὑπὸ σαρκὸς ὁραθῆναι δυνηθῇ. τὸ γὰρ ἀτρέπτως πατέρα ἰδεῖν υἱοῦ μόνου ἐστίν. δικαίων δὲ οὐχ ὁμοίως· ἐν γὰρ τῇ ἀναστάσει τῶν νεκρῶν, ὅτʼ ἄν τραπέντες εἰς φῶς τὰ σώματα ἰσάγγελοι γένωνται, τότε ἰδεῖν δυνήσονται. πέρας γοῦν κἄν ἀγγέλων τις ἀνθρώπῳ ὀφθῆναι πεμφθῇ, τρέπεται εἰς σάρκα, ἵνα ὑπὸ σαρκὸς ὀφθῆναι δυνηθῇ. ἄσαρκον γὰρ δύναμιν, οὐ μόνον υἱοῦ, οὐδʼ ἀγγέλου τις δύναται. εἰ δὲ ἴδῃ τις ὀπτασίαν, κακοῦ δαίμονος ταύτην εἶναι νοείτω.

Kai ho Petros ephē; memnēmai emautou, hōs epēngeilamēn deixai, kai agraphōs kai engraphōs peri toutou tēn apodeixin parechein. kai nyn legontos akoue. ismen pollous, ei ge eugnōmoneis (epei ge tous parestōtas kritas echō), eidōla sebontas kai moicheuontas kai kata panta hamartanontas horamata kai alētheis oneirous horōntas, enious de kai daimonōn optasias. tēn asarkon eidean ou legō dynasthai patros ē huiou idein, dia to megistǭ phōti kataugazesthai tous thnētōn ophthalmous. hothen to mē horasthēnai tǭ eis sarka tetrammenǭ anthrōpǭ ou phthonountos estin Theou, allʼ eōntos. ho gar idōn zēn ou dynatai. hē gar hyperbolē tou phōtos tēn tou horōntos eklyei sarka, ektos ei mē Theou aporrhētǭ dynamei hē sarx eis physin trapę̄ phōtos, hina phōs idein dynēthę̄, ē hē tou phōtos ousia eis sarka trapę̄, hina hypo sarkos horathēnai dynēthę̄. to gar atreptōs patera idein huiou monou estin. dikaiōn de ouch homoiōs; en gar tę̄ anastasei tōn nekrōn, hotʼ an trapentes eis phōs ta sōmata isangeloi genōntai, tote idein dynēsontai. peras goun kan angelōn tis anthrōpǭ ophthēnai pemphthę̄, trepetai eis sarka, hina hypo sarkos ophthēnai dynēthę̄. asarkon gar dynamin, ou monon huiou, oudʼ angelou tis dynatai. ei de idę̄ tis optasian, kakou daimonos tautēn einai noeitō.

And Peter said: “I remember that I promised to show it, and to give the proof of this both from reasoning and from Scripture. Now hear me as I speak. We know many people—if you are fair-minded (for I have those standing by as judges)—who worship idols, commit adultery, and sin in every way, yet see visions and true dreams, and some also apparitions of demons. For I say that the fleshless form of the Father or of the Son cannot be seen, because the eyes of mortals are dazzled by the exceeding light. So it is not because God begrudges it that he is not seen by man, who has been turned into flesh, but because he spares him. For one who sees him cannot live. For the excess of light dissolves the flesh of the one who sees, unless by the ineffable power of God the flesh is changed into the nature of light, so that it can see light, or the substance of light is changed into flesh, so that it can be seen by flesh. For to see the Father without being changed belongs to the Son alone. It is not so for the righteous: in the resurrection of the dead, when their bodies have been changed into light and they have become like the angels, then they will be able to see him. Indeed, even if one of the angels is sent to be seen by a human being, he is changed into flesh, so that he can be seen by flesh. For no one can see the fleshless power not only of the Son, but even of an angel. And if anyone sees an apparition, let him understand that it comes from an evil demon.”

Exod 33:20 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 20:36 (allusion, high confidence) · John 6:46 (echo, medium confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Peter argues that no one can see God, the Son, or an angel in their fleshless form, so that apparitions come from demons.

  • Allusions: Exod 33:20 (no one can see God and live); Luke 20:36 (“like the angels,” ἰσάγγελοι); John 6:46 (only the Son has seen the Father).

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.16 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Schwegler; made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF where it has the work.

17.17Schwegler

Πλὴν ὅτι καὶ ἀσεβεῖς ὁράματα καὶ ἐνύπνια ἀληθῆ βλέπουσιν, δῆλόν ἐστιν, καὶ ἐγγράφως ἀποδεῖξαι δύναμαι. πέρας γοῦν ἐν τῷ νόμῳ γέγραπται, ὡς ὁ Ἀβιμέλεχ ἀσεβὴς ὤν, τὴν τοῦ δικαίου Ἀβραὰμ γυναῖκα ἐπὶ κοινωνίᾳ μιᾶναι θελήσας, ἤκουσεν παρὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ καθʼ ὕπνον, ὡς ἡ γραφὴ λέγει, μὴ θιγεῖν αὐτῆς, ὅτι ἀνδρὶ συνῳκηκυῖά ἐστιν. ἀλλὰ καὶ ὁ Φαραὼ, ἀσεβὴς ἀνὴρ, ἑώρακεν ὄνειρον περί τε πυρῶν εὐφορίας καὶ ἀφορίας, ᾧ ὁ Ἰωσὴφ ἐπιλύων παρὰ Θεοῦ ἔφη τὸν ὄνειρον γεγενῆσθαι. Ναβουχοδονόσορ δὲ, ὁ εἴδωλα σέβων, καὶ τοὺς Θεὸν σέβοντας εἰς πῦρ κελεύσας βληθῆναι, ὄνειρον ὅλου μήκους αἰῶνος ὁρᾷ. καὶ μὴ λεγέτω τις· ἀλλʼ ὅραμα ἐγρηγορὼς οὐδεὶς ἀσεβῶν θεωρεῖ. ψεῦδός ἔστιν. αὐτὸς γοῦν ὁ Ναβουχοδονόσορ τρεῖς ἄνδρας κελεύσας βληθῆναι εἰς πῦρ, ἐνιδὼν τῇ καμίνῳ τέταρτον ἔφη· τὸν τέταρτον ὁρῶ ὡς υἱὸν θεοῦ. καὶ ὅμως ὀπτασίας τε καὶ ὁράματα καὶ ἐνύπνια ὁρῶντες ἀληθῆ, ἀσεβεῖς ἦσαν. οὕτως οὐ πάντως ἐκ τοῦ ὁρᾶν τινα ὁράματα καὶ ἐνύπνια καὶ ὀπτασίας πάντως εὐσεβής ἐστιν. τῷ γὰρ εὐσεβεῖ ἐμφύτῳ καὶ καθαρῷ ἀναβλύζει τῷ νῷ τὸ ἀληθὲς, οὐκ ὀνείρῳ σπουδαζόμενον, ἀλλὰ συνέσει ἀγαθοῖς διδόμενον.

Plēn hoti kai asebeis horamata kai enypnia alēthē blepousin, dēlon estin, kai engraphōs apodeixai dynamai. peras goun en tǭ nomǭ gegraptai, hōs ho Abimelech asebēs ōn, tēn tou dikaiou Abraam gynaika epi koinōnią mianai thelēsas, ēkousen para tou Theou kathʼ hypnon, hōs hē graphē legei, mē thigein autēs, hoti andri synǭkēkuia estin. alla kai ho Pharaō, asebēs anēr, heōraken oneiron peri te pyrōn euphorias kai aphorias, hǭ ho Iōsēph epilyōn para Theou ephē ton oneiron gegenēsthai. Nabouchodonosor de, ho eidōla sebōn, kai tous Theon sebontas eis pyr keleusas blēthēnai, oneiron holou mēkous aiōnos horą. kai mē legetō tis; allʼ horama egrēgorōs oudeis asebōn theōrei. pseudos estin. autos goun ho Nabouchodonosor treis andras keleusas blēthēnai eis pyr, enidōn tę̄ kaminǭ tetarton ephē; ton tetarton horō hōs huion theou. kai homōs optasias te kai horamata kai enypnia horōntes alēthē, asebeis ēsan. houtōs ou pantōs ek tou horan tina horamata kai enypnia kai optasias pantōs eusebēs estin. tǭ gar eusebei emphytǭ kai katharǭ anablyzei tǭ nǭ to alēthes, ouk oneirǭ spoudazomenon, alla synesei agathois didomenon.

“But that the ungodly too see true visions and dreams is plain, and I can prove it from Scripture. In the law it is written that Abimelech, who was ungodly and wished to defile the wife of righteous Abraham by lying with her, heard from God in his sleep, as the Scripture says, that he was not to touch her, because she was living with a husband. And Pharaoh too, an ungodly man, saw a dream about the plenty and the failure of the wheat, and Joseph, interpreting it, said that the dream had come from God. And Nebuchadnezzar, who worshiped idols and ordered those who worshiped God to be thrown into fire, sees a dream of the whole length of the age. And let no one say: ‘But none of the ungodly sees a vision while awake.’ That is false. For Nebuchadnezzar himself, having ordered three men to be thrown into fire, looked into the furnace and said of a fourth: ‘I see the fourth like a son of God.’ And yet, though they saw apparitions and visions and true dreams, they were ungodly. So it does not at all follow that one who sees visions and dreams and apparitions is godly. For in the godly person the truth wells up in his innate and pure mind—not striven for by a dream, but given to the good through understanding.”

Gen 20:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 20:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 41:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Dan 2:31 (allusion, high confidence) · Dan 3:25 (3:92 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Peter cites Abimelech, Pharaoh, and Nebuchadnezzar as ungodly men who received true dreams and visions from God.

  • References: Gen 20:3–7; Gen 41:1–32 (41:25); Dan 2:1–45; Dan 3:19–25 (LXX 3:92).

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.17 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.18Schwegler

Οὕτως γὰρ κἀμοὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ πατρὸς ἀπεκαλύφθη ὁ υἱός. διὸ οἶδα τίς δύναμις ἀποκαλύψεως, ἀφʼ ἑαυτοῦ μαθών. ἅμα γὰρ τῷ τὸν κύριον εἰπεῖν, τίνα αὐτὸν λέγουσιν, καὶ ἄλλους ἄλλο τι λέγοντας αὐτὸν ἀκηκοότος ἐμοῦ, ἐπὶ τῆς καρδίας ἀνέβη· οὐκ οἶδα οὖν πῶς εἶπον σὺ εἶ ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ζῶντος Θεοῦ. τὸν δὲ μακαρίσαντά με μηνῦσαί μοι, τὸν ἀποκαλύψαντα πατέρα εἶναι, ἐμὲ δὲ ἔκτοτε μαθεῖν, ὅτι τὸ ἀδιδάκτως, ἄνευ ὀπτασίας καὶ ὀνείρων μαθεῖν ἀποκάλυψίς ἐστιν. καὶ ἀληθῶς οὕτως ἔχει. ἐν γὰρ τῇ ἐν ἡμῖν ἐκ Θεοῦ τεθείσῃ σπερματικῶς πᾶσα ἔνεστιν ἡ ἀλήθεια, Θεοῦ δὲ χειρὶ σκέπεται καὶ ἀποκαλύπτεται, τοῦ ἐνεργοῦντος τὸ κατʼ ἀξίαν ἑκάστου εἰδότος. τὸ δὲ ἔξωθεν διʼ ὀπτασιῶν καὶ ἐνυπνίων δηλωθῆναί τι ὅτι οὐκ ἔστιν ἀποκαλύψεως, ἀλλʼ ὀργῆς, φαίνεται. πέρας γοῦν γέγραπται ἐν τῷ νόμῳ ὅτι ὀργισθεὶς ὁ Θεὸς Ἀαρὼν καὶ Μαριὰμ ἔφη· ἐὰν ἀναστῇ προφήτης ἐξ ὑμῶν, διʼ ὁραμάτων καὶ ἐνυπνίων αὐτῷ γνωρισθήσομαι, οὐχ οὕτως δὲ ὡς Μωυσῇ τῷ θεράποντί μου, ὅτι ἐν εἴδει καὶ οὐ διὰ ἐνυπνίων λαλήσω πρὸς αὐτὸν, ὡς εἴτις λαλήσει πρὸς τὸν ἑαυτοῦ φίλον. ὁρᾷς πῶς τὰ τῆς ὀργῆς διʼ ὁραμάτων καὶ ἐνυπνίων, τὰ δὲ πρὸς φίλον στόμα κατὰ στόμα, ἐν εἴδει, καὶ οὐ διʼ αἰνιγμάτων καὶ ὁραμάτων καὶ ἐνυπνίων, ὡς πρὸς ἐχθρόν.

Houtōs gar kamoi apo tou patros apekalyphthē ho huios. dio oida tis dynamis apokalypseōs, aphʼ heautou mathōn. hama gar tǭ ton kyrion eipein, tina auton legousin, kai allous allo ti legontas auton akēkootos emou, epi tēs kardias anebē; ouk oida oun pōs eipon sy ei ho huios tou zōntos Theou. ton de makarisanta me mēnysai moi, ton apokalypsanta patera einai, eme de ektote mathein, hoti to adidaktōs, aneu optasias kai oneirōn mathein apokalypsis estin. kai alēthōs houtōs echei. en gar tę̄ en hēmin ek Theou tetheisę̄ spermatikōs pasa enestin hē alētheia, Theou de cheiri skepetai kai apokalyptetai, tou energountos to katʼ axian hekastou eidotos. to de exōthen diʼ optasiōn kai enypniōn dēlōthēnai ti hoti ouk estin apokalypseōs, allʼ orgēs, phainetai. peras goun gegraptai en tǭ nomǭ hoti orgistheis ho Theos Aarōn kai Mariam ephē; ean anastę̄ prophētēs ex hymōn, diʼ horamatōn kai enypniōn autǭ gnōristhēsomai, ouch houtōs de hōs Mōysę̄ tǭ theraponti mou, hoti en eidei kai ou dia enypniōn lalēsō pros auton, hōs eitis lalēsei pros ton heautou philon. horąs pōs ta tēs orgēs diʼ horamatōn kai enypniōn, ta de pros philon stoma kata stoma, en eidei, kai ou diʼ ainigmatōn kai horamatōn kai enypniōn, hōs pros echthron.

“For in this way the Son was revealed to me by the Father. So I know what the power of revelation is, having learned it from my own case. For as soon as the Lord asked who people said he was, and I had heard others saying one thing and another about him, it came up into my heart—and I do not know how—and I said: ‘You are the Son of the living God.’ And he, calling me blessed, told me that it was the Father who had revealed it; and from then on I learned that to learn without being taught, without apparition and dreams, is revelation. And truly it is so. For in the soul placed in us by God all the truth is present as a seed; but it is covered and uncovered by the hand of God, who works knowing what each deserves. But for something to be made known from outside, through apparitions and dreams, is plainly a sign not of revelation but of wrath. Indeed it is written in the law that God, angry with Aaron and Miriam, said: ‘If a prophet arises from among you, I will make myself known to him through visions and dreams, but not so as to Moses my servant; for I will speak to him in plain appearance and not through dreams, as one speaks to his own friend.’ You see how the words of wrath come through visions and dreams, but those to a friend mouth to mouth, in plain appearance, and not through riddles and visions and dreams, as to an enemy.”

Matt 16:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 16:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Num 12:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Num 12:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Num 12:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 33:11 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Peter explains that true revelation, like his confession of Christ, arises within without visions, while visions and dreams signify God's anger.

  • The noun after “in the” is missing in the Greek (ἐν γὰρ τῇ … τεθείσῃ); “soul” is supplied by sense.
  • References: Matt 16:13–17; Num 12:6–8 (freely, with “as one speaks to his friend” from Exod 33:11).

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.18 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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17.19Schwegler

Εἰ μὲν οὖν καὶ σοὶ ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἡμῶν διʼ ὁράματος ὀφθεὶς ἐγνώσθη καὶ ὡμίλησεν, ὡς ἀντικειμένῳ ὀργιζόμενος, διὸ διʼ ὁραμάτων καὶ ἐνυπνίων ἢ καὶ διʼ ἀποκαλύψεων ἔξωθεν οὐσῶν ἐλάλησεν. εἴ τις δὲ διʼ ὀπτασίαν πρὸς διδασκαλίαν σοφισθῆναι δύναται; καὶ εἰ μὲν ἐρεῖς· δυνατόν ἐστιν, διὰ τί ὅλῳ ἐνιαυτῷ ἐγρηγορόσιν παραμένων ὡμίλησεν ὁ διδάσκαλος; πῶς δέ σοι καὶ πιστεύσομεν αὐτὸ, κἄν ὅτι ὤφθη σοι; πῶς δέ σοι καὶ ὤφθη, ὁπότε αὐτοῦ τὰ ἐναντία τῇ διδασκαλίᾳ φρονεῖς; εἰ δὲ ὑπʼ ἐκείνου μιᾶς ὥρας ὀφθεὶς καὶ μαθητευθεὶς ἀπόστολος ἐγένου, τὰς ἐκείνου φωνὰς κήρυσσε, τὰ ἐκείνου ἑρμήνευε, τοὺς ἐκείνου ἀποστόλους φίλει, ἐμοὶ τῷ συγγενομένῳ αὐτῷ μὴ μάχου. πρὸς γὰρ στερεὰν πέτραν ὄντα με, θεμέλιον ἐκκλησίας, ἐναντίος ἀνθέστηκάς μοι. εἰ μὴ ἀντικείμενος ἦς, οὐκ ἄν με διαβάλλων τὸ διʼ ἐμοῦ κήρυγμα ἐλοιδόρεις, ἵνα ὅ παρὰ τοῦ κυρίου αὐτὸς παρὼν ἀκήκοα, λέγων μὴ πιστεύωμαι, δῆλον ὅτι ὡς ἐμοῦ καταγνωσθέντος καὶ ἐμοῦ εὐδοκιμοῦντος. ἢ εἰ κατεγνωσμένον με λέγεις, Θεοῦ τοῦ ἀποκαλύψαντός μοι τὸν Χριστὸν κατηγορεῖς, καὶ τοῦ ἐπὶ ἀποκαλύψει μακαρίσαντός με καταφέρεις. ἀλλʼ ἐπεί περ ἀληθῶς τῇ ἀληθείᾳ συνεργῆσαι θέλεις, μάθε πρῶτον παρʼ ἡμῶν, ἅ ἡμεῖς παρʼ ἐκείνου ἐμάθομεν, καὶ μαθητὴς ἀληθείας γεγονὼς γένου ἡμῖν συνεργός.

Ei men oun kai soi ho Iēsous hēmōn diʼ horamatos ophtheis egnōsthē kai hōmilēsen, hōs antikeimenǭ orgizomenos, dio diʼ horamatōn kai enypniōn ē kai diʼ apokalypseōn exōthen ousōn elalēsen. ei tis de diʼ optasian pros didaskalian sophisthēnai dynatai? kai ei men ereis; dynaton estin, dia ti holǭ eniautǭ egrēgorosin paramenōn hōmilēsen ho didaskalos? pōs de soi kai pisteusomen auto, kan hoti ōphthē soi? pōs de soi kai ōphthē, hopote autou ta enantia tę̄ didaskalią phroneis? ei de hypʼ ekeinou mias hōras ophtheis kai mathēteutheis apostolos egenou, tas ekeinou phōnas kērysse, ta ekeinou hermēneue, tous ekeinou apostolous philei, emoi tǭ syngenomenǭ autǭ mē machou. pros gar sterean petran onta me, themelion ekklēsias, enantios anthestēkas moi. ei mē antikeimenos ēs, ouk an me diaballōn to diʼ emou kērygma eloidoreis, hina ho para tou kyriou autos parōn akēkoa, legōn mē pisteuōmai, dēlon hoti hōs emou katagnōsthentos kai emou eudokimountos. ē ei kategnōsmenon me legeis, Theou tou apokalypsantos moi ton Christon katēgoreis, kai tou epi apokalypsei makarisantos me kataphereis. allʼ epei per alēthōs tę̄ alētheią synergēsai theleis, mathe prōton parʼ hēmōn, ha hēmeis parʼ ekeinou emathomen, kai mathētēs alētheias gegonōs genou hēmin synergos.

“If, then, our Jesus appeared to you too in a vision, made himself known, and spoke with you, it was as one angry with an adversary; that is why he spoke through visions and dreams, or through revelations that come from outside. But can anyone be made wise enough to teach through an apparition? And if you say, ‘It is possible,’ why did the teacher remain and converse for a whole year with people who were awake? And how shall we believe you even in this, that he appeared to you? And how did he appear to you, when you hold views contrary to his teaching? But if you became an apostle by being seen by him and taught for a single hour, proclaim his sayings, interpret his teachings, love his apostles, and do not fight with me, who was with him. For you have stood against me as an opponent—against me, the firm rock, the foundation of the church. If you were not an adversary, you would not be slandering me and reviling the preaching given through me, so that I may not be believed when I tell what I myself heard from the Lord when I was with him—as though, plainly, I were condemned and you approved. Or if you say that I am condemned, you are accusing God, who revealed the Christ to me, and you are attacking him who called me blessed because of that revelation. But if you truly wish to work together with the truth, first learn from us what we learned from him, and, having become a disciple of the truth, become our fellow worker.”

Gal 2:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 16:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 16:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 1:12 (echo, medium confidence) · Gal 1:16 (echo, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 15:8 (echo, medium confidence) · Acts 9:3 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Peter rejects authority based on visions and rebukes Simon for opposing him, the rock on which the church is founded.

  • Many scholars read this passage as a veiled attack on Paul: the appearance of Jesus in a vision (Acts 9:3–6; 1 Cor 15:8; Gal 1:12, 16), “you have stood against me” and “condemned” (cf. Gal 2:11, where Paul says he opposed Cephas because he “stood condemned”). The Homilies do not name Paul.
  • “And you approved”: the Greek reads “and I approved” (ἐμοῦ εὐδοκιμοῦντος), apparently a slip; translated by sense. The “whole year” reflects the tradition of a one-year ministry of Jesus.

Topics: Church office

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.19 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Schwegler; made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF where it has the work.

17.20Schwegler

Ταῦτα ὁ Σίμων ἀκούσας ἔφη· ἀπείη μοι, εἴτε ἐκείνου, εἴτε σου γενέσθαι μαθητήν. οὐδὲ γὰρ ἀγνοῶ ἃ δεῖ γινώσκειν· ἅ δὲ ὡς μανθάνων ἐπυθόμην, ἵνα εἰδῶ εἰ δύνασαι ὀπτασίαν ἐναργείας ἐναργεστέραν δεῖξαι. σὺ δὲ ὡς ἠθέλησας, εἶπες, οὐκ ἔδειξας. καὶ νῦν αὔριόν σοι εἰς τὸν περὶ Θεοῦ, οὗ διισχυρίζῃ δημιουργοῦ, ἐλθὼν καὶ διαλεχθεὶς δείξω μὴ αὐτὸν εἶναι ἀνώτατον ἀγαθὸν, καὶ τὸν σὸν δὲ διδάσκαλον τὰ αὐτά μοι εἰρηκέναι, σὲ δὲ μὴ νενοηκέναι ἐλέγξω. καὶ ταῦτα εἰπὼν ἐξῄει, εἰς ἃ προέτεινεν οὐ θελήσας ἀκοῦσαι.

Tauta ho Simōn akousas ephē; apeiē moi, eite ekeinou, eite sou genesthai mathētēn. oude gar agnoō ha dei ginōskein; ha de hōs manthanōn epythomēn, hina eidō ei dynasai optasian enargeias enargesteran deixai. sy de hōs ēthelēsas, eipes, ouk edeixas. kai nyn aurion soi eis ton peri Theou, hou diischyrizę̄ dēmiourgou, elthōn kai dialechtheis deixō mē auton einai anōtaton agathon, kai ton son de didaskalon ta auta moi eirēkenai, se de mē nenoēkenai elenxō. kai tauta eipōn exę̄ei, eis ha proeteinen ou thelēsas akousai.

Hearing this, Simon said: “Far be it from me to become a disciple either of him or of you! For I am not ignorant of what one needs to know. What I asked as though I were learning, I asked in order to find out whether you can show that an apparition is less clear than direct sight. But you said what you pleased; you did not show it. And now, tomorrow I will come to you for the discussion about God, whom you insist is the Creator, and I will show that he is not the highest good; and I will prove that your teacher said the same things as I, and that you did not understand him.” Having said this he went out, not wishing to hear a reply to what he had put forward.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Simon refuses to become Peter's disciple and promises to show the next day that the Creator is not the highest good.

  • “Less clear than direct sight” renders ὀπτασίαν ἐναργείας ἐναργεστέραν (literally “an apparition clearer than direct sight”), which contradicts Simon's own point in 17.13–14 and Peter's; the text may be faulty, and the rendering follows the sense of the debate. The reading is uncertain.

Cite (SBL): Ps.-Clem. Hom. 17.20 (Schwegler; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ps-clem-homilies/17-1/#p-17-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Schwegler; made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF where it has the work.