On Marriage and Concupiscence 2.47–2.60

Latin text: Urba/Zycha, CSEL 42 (Latin text: Urba and Zycha, De nuptiis et concupiscentia (CSEL 42, 1902), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 5 (1887).

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2.47CSEL 42:302–303

Adhuc quaerat, per quid peccatum inueniatur in paruulo. respondeant ei paginae sanctae: per unum hominem peccatum in hunc mundum intrauit et per peccatum mors, et ita in omnes homines pertransiit, in quo omnes peccauerunt. ob unius delictum multi mortui sunt. iudicium ex uno in condemnationem. ob unius delictum mors regnauit per unum. per unius delictum in omnes homines ad condemnationem. per unius inoboedientiam peccatores constituti sunt multi. ecce per quid delictum inuenitur in paruulo! iam credat originale peccatum, sinat uenire paruulos, ut saluentur, ad Christum. Quid est quod dicit: non peccat iste qui nascitur, non peccat ille qui genuit, non peccat iste qui condidit: per quas rimas inter tot praesidia innocentiae peccatum fingis ingressum? quid quaerit latentem rimam, cum habeat apertissimam ianuam? per unum hominem, ait apostolus; per unius delictum, ait apostolus; per inoboedientiam unius hominis, ait apostolus. quid quaerit amplius? quid quaerit apertius? quid quaerit inculcatius?

Let him still ask through what sin is found in a little child. Let the holy pages answer him: “Through one man sin entered into this world, and through sin death, and so it passed through to all men, in whom all sinned.” “Through the offense of one many died.” “The judgment was from one to condemnation.” “Through the offense of one death reigned through the one.” “Through the offense of one it came to all men to condemnation.” “Through the disobedience of one many were made sinners.” See through what sin is found in a little child! Let him now believe in original sin; let him allow little children to come to Christ to be saved. What is this that he says: “The one who is born does not sin, the one who begot does not sin, the one who created does not sin: through what cracks, amid so many defenses of innocence, do you imagine sin entered?” Why does he look for a hidden crack, when he has a wide-open door? “Through one man,” says the apostle; “through the offense of one,” says the apostle; “through the disobedience of one man,” says the apostle. What more does he want? What does he want more plain? What does he want more insistently repeated?

Rom 5:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 19:14 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine answers Julian's question with a chain of texts from Rom 5: sin entered through one man's offense.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.47 (CSEL 42:302–303; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-47). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.48CSEL 42:303–304

Si peccatum, inquit, ex uoluntate est, mala uoluntas, quae peccatum facit; si ex natura, mala natura. cito respondeo: ex uoluntate peccatum est. quaerit forte, utrum et originale peccatum. respondeo: prorsus et originale peccatum, quia et hoc ex uoluntate primi hominis seminatum est, ut et in illo esset et in omnes transiret. sed quod secutus adiunxit: si ex natura, mala natura, quaero ab illo, ut, si potest, respondeat, sicut manifestum est ex uoluntate mala tamquam ex arbore mala fructus eius fieri omnia opera mala, sic ipsam uoluntatem malam, id est ipsam fructuum malorum arborem malam unde dicat exortam. si ex angelo, quid erat ipse angelus nisi bonum opus dei? si ex homine, quid erat ipse homo nisi bonum opus dei? immo quia uoluntas mala angeli ex angelo, ex homine homini orta est, quid erant haec duo, antequam in eis ista mala orirentur, nisi bonum opus dei et bona atque laudanda natura? ecce ergo ex bono oritur malum nec fuit omnino unde oriri posset, nisi ex bono, ipsam dico uoluntatem malam, quam nullum praecessit malum, non opera mala, quae non sunt nisi ex uoluntate mala tamquam ex arbore mala. nec ideo tamen ex bono potuit oriri uoluntas mala, quia bonum factum est a bono deo, sed quia de nihilo factum est, non de deo. quid ergo est quod dicit: si natura opus est dei, per opus dei opus diaboli transire non sinitur? nonne opus diaboli, quando primum in angelo, qui diabolus factus est, ortum est, in opere dei ortum est? quapropter si malum, quod omnino nusquam erat, in dei opere oriri potuit, cur malum, quod alicubi iam erat, per opus dei transire non potuit, praesertim cum ipso uerbo utatur apostolus dicens: et ita in omnes homines pertransiit? numquid homines non sunt opus dei? pertransiit ergo peccatum per homines, hoc est opus diaboli per opus dei, atque ut alio modo id ipsum dicam, quia diaboli opus, id est peccatum per ipsum diabolum exortum, qui factura uel opus est dei, per aliud opus dei, id est hominem pertransiit, opus operis dei per opus dei. et ideo deus est solus inmutabilis et potentissimae bonitatis, quia et antequam esset ullum malum, bona opera fecit omnia et de malis, quae in bonis ab eo factis orta sunt, bene operatur per omnia.

“If sin,” he says, “comes from the will, the will that commits sin is evil; if from nature, the nature is evil.” I answer at once: sin comes from the will. Perhaps he asks whether original sin does too. I answer: certainly original sin too, because this too was sown from the will of the first man, so that it both was in him and passed to all. But as to what he added next, “if from nature, the nature is evil,” I ask him to answer, if he can: just as it is evident that all evil works come from an evil will as the fruits of an evil tree, from where does he say that the evil will itself, that is, the evil tree of evil fruits, arose? If from an angel, what was the angel himself but a good work of God? If from a man, what was the man himself but a good work of God? Indeed, since the evil will of the angel arose from the angel, and that of man from man, what were these two, before these evils arose in them, but a good work of God and a good and praiseworthy nature? See, then: evil arises from good, and there was nothing at all from which it could arise except good—I mean the evil will itself, which no evil preceded; not evil works, which exist only from an evil will as from an evil tree. Yet an evil will could arise from good not because the good was made by the good God, but because it was made from nothing, not from God. What, then, does he mean by saying, “If nature is the work of God, the work of the devil is not allowed to pass through the work of God”? Did not the work of the devil, when it first arose in the angel who became the devil, arise in a work of God? So if evil, which existed nowhere at all, could arise in a work of God, why could evil, which already existed somewhere, not pass through a work of God—especially since the apostle uses that very word, saying, “and so it passed through to all men”? Are human beings not the work of God? Sin passed through human beings, then, that is, the work of the devil through the work of God; or, to say the same thing another way, since the work of the devil, that is, sin, which arose through the devil himself, who is a creature or work of God, passed through another work of God, that is, man, the work of a work of God passed through a work of God. And therefore God alone is unchangeable and of most powerful goodness, because even before there was any evil he made all works good, and from the evils that have arisen in the good things he made, he works well through all things.

Matt 7:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:12 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Original sin comes from the will of the first man; evil wills arose in good creatures because they were made from nothing, and God works good even from evil.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray bracket and quotation mark; stray quotation mark): (Si peccatum, inquit, 'ex uoluntate → Si peccatum, inquit, ex uoluntate; transire non sinitur'? → transire non sinitur?.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.48 (CSEL 42:303–304; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-48). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.49CSEL 42:304–305

In uno, inquit, homine iure uituperatur intentio et origo laudatur, quia duo sunt, quae contrariis adplicentur; in paruulo autem unum est, natura tantum, quia uoluntas non est. illud ergo unum, inquit, aut deo adscribetur aut daemoni. si natura, inquit, per deum est, non potest in ea esse originale malum; si a diabolo, nihil erit, per quod homo diuino operi uindicetur. perfecte itaque Manicheus est, qui malum originale defendit. audiat potius aduersum ista quod uerum est. in uno homine iure uituperatur intentio et natura laudatur, quia duo sunt, quae contrariis adplicentur; sed etiam in paruulo non unum est tantum, id est natura, in qua creatus est homo a deo bono; habet enim et uitium, quod per unum in omnes homines pertransiit, sicut sapit apostolus, non sicut desipit Pelagius uel Caelestius uel eorum quicumque discipulus. horum itaque duorum, quae in paruulo esse diximus, unum adscribitur deo, alterum diabolo. et quod utrumque propter unum horum, id est propter uitium subicitur potestati diaboli, ideo non est incongruum, quia non fit ipsius diaboli potestate, sed dei; subicitur autem uitium uitio, natura naturae, quia et in diabolo utrumque est, ut, cum dilecti et electi de potestate tenebrarum eruuntur, cui iure subduntur, adpareat quid donetur iustificatis bonis a deo bona bene operante de malis.

“In one person,” he says, “the intention is rightly blamed and the origin praised, because there are two things, to which contrary judgments are applied; but in a little child there is one thing, nature only, since there is no will. That one thing, then,” he says, “will be ascribed either to God or to the demon. If nature,” he says, “is through God, there cannot be original evil in it; if from the devil, there will be nothing by which man may be claimed for the divine work. So he is a complete Manichee who defends original evil.” Let him rather hear what is true against this. In one person the intention is rightly blamed and the nature praised, because there are two things to which contrary judgments are applied; but in a little child too there is not one thing only, that is, the nature in which man was created by the good God; for he has also the fault that passed through one man to all men, as the apostle wisely holds, not as Pelagius or Caelestius or any of their disciples foolishly holds. Of these two things, then, which we have said are in a little child, one is ascribed to God, the other to the devil. And that both are subjected to the power of the devil because of one of them, that is, because of the fault, is not unfitting, because this happens not by the power of the devil himself but by the power of God; and fault is subjected to fault, nature to nature, since both are also in the devil; so that when the beloved and elect are rescued from the power of darkness, to which they are rightly subject, it may appear what is given to the justified by God, who is good and works good from evils.

Rom 5:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:13 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: An infant has both a nature from God and a fault from Adam, and so is rightly under the devil until rescued by grace.

  • Julian's words are given as Augustine quotes them. 'Wisely holds … foolishly holds' renders the Latin wordplay sapit … desipit.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.49 (CSEL 42:304–305; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-49). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.50CSEL 42:305–307

Quod autem iste sibi quasi religiose dicere uisus est: si natura per deum est, non potest in ea esse originale malum, nonne religiosius sibi alius uidetur dicere: si natura per deum est, non potest in ea oriri ullum malum? et tamen falsum est; hoc enim Manichei adserere uoluerunt et non creaturam dei factam de nihilo, sed ipsam naturam dei malis omnibus inplere conati sunt. non enim ortum est malum nisi in bono nec tamen summo et inmutabili, quod est natura dei, sed facto de nihilo per sapientiam dei. est itaque per quod homo diuino operi uindicetur, quia non esset homo, nisi diuino opere crearetur. malum autem non esset in paruulis, nisi uoluntate primi hominis peccaretur et origine uitiata peccatum originale traheretur. non ergo sicut iste ait: perfecte Manicheus est, qui malum originale defendit, sed perfecte Pelagianus est, qui malum originale non credit. neque enim ex quo esse coepit Manichei pestilentiosa doctrina, ex illo coeperunt in ecclesia dei paruuli baptizandi exorcizari et exsufflari, ut ipsis mysteriis ostenderetur non eos in regnum Christi nisi erutos a tenebrarum potestate transferri, aut in libris Manichei legitur, quod uenerit filius hominis quaerere et saluare quod perierat, aut quod per unum hominem peccatum in hunc mundum intrauit et cetera ad eandem sententiam pertinentia, quae supra commemorauimus, aut quod reddit deus peccata patrum in filios, aut quod in psalmo scriptum est: ego in iniquitatibus conceptus sum, et in peccatis mater mea in utero me aluit, aut: homo uanitati similis factus est, dies eius uelut umbra praetereunt, aut: ecce ueteres posuisti dies meos, et substantia mea quasi nihil ante te; uerumtamen uniuersa uanitas, omnis homo uiuens, aut quod apostolus dicit: omnis creatura uanitati subiecta est, aut in libro Ecclesiaste: uanitas uanitatum et omnia uanitas. quae abundantia est homini in omni labore suo quem ipse laborat sub sole? aut in libro Ecclesiastico: iugum graue super filios Adam a die exitus de uentre matris eorum usque in diem sepulturae in matrem omnium, aut quod dicit apostolus: in Adam omnes moriuntur, aut quod dicit sanctus Iob, ubi de peccatis suis loquitur: homo enim natus ex muliere breuis uitae et plenus iracundiae sicut flos feni decidit; fugit autem sicut umbra et non stabit. nonne et huius curam fecisti et hunc fecisti intrare in conspectu tuo in iudicium? quis enim erit mundus a sordibus? ne unus quidem, etiamsi unius diei fuerit uita eius super terram. quas enim dixerit sordes, quia peccata intellegi uoluit, ipsa lectio indicat, ubi prorsus unde loquatur adparet. unde est et illud apud prophetam Zachariam, ubi aufertur a sacerdote uestis sordida et dicitur ei: ecce abstuli peccata tua. puto, quod ista omnia et cetera huius modi, quae indicant omnem hominem sub peccato et maledicto nasci, non leguntur in tenebris Manicheorum, sed in luce catholicorum.

As for what he thought he was saying piously, “If nature is through God, there cannot be original evil in it,” does not someone else think he speaks more piously in saying, “If nature is through God, no evil can arise in it”? And yet that is false; for the Manichees wanted to assert this, and tried to fill with all evils not a creature of God made from nothing but the very nature of God. For evil has arisen only in the good—not, however, in the supreme and unchangeable good, which is the nature of God, but in a good made from nothing through the wisdom of God. There is, then, something by which man is claimed for the divine work, because he would not be a man unless he were created by the divine work. But there would be no evil in little children unless sin had been committed by the will of the first man and original sin contracted from the corrupted origin. It is not, then, as he says, “He is a complete Manichee who defends original evil”; rather, he is a complete Pelagian who does not believe in original evil. For it was not from the time the pestilent doctrine of Manichaeus began that little children to be baptized began to be exorcised and breathed upon in the church of God, so that it might be shown by these very mysteries that they are not transferred into the kingdom of Christ unless rescued from the power of darkness. Nor is it in the books of Manichaeus that we read that the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost; or that through one man sin entered into this world, and the rest belonging to the same statement, which we mentioned above; or that God repays the sins of the fathers on the children; or what is written in the psalm, “I was conceived in iniquities, and in sins my mother nourished me in the womb”; or, “Man has become like vanity; his days pass like a shadow”; or, “See, you have made my days old, and my substance is as nothing before you; indeed, every living man is all vanity”; or what the apostle says, “Every creature has been subjected to vanity”; or in the book of Ecclesiastes, “Vanity of vanities, and all is vanity. What abundance has a man from all his labor at which he labors under the sun?”; or in the book of Ecclesiasticus, “A heavy yoke is on the sons of Adam from the day of their coming out of their mother's womb until the day of their burial into the mother of all”; or what the apostle says, “In Adam all die”; or what holy Job says, where he speaks of his sins: “For man born of woman is short of life and full of wrath; like the flower of the grass he falls; he flees like a shadow and will not stand. Have you not taken care even of him, and made him enter into judgment in your sight? For who will be clean from filth? Not even one, even if his life on earth has been one day.” What he meant by filth—since he meant sins—the reading itself shows, where it is quite clear what he is speaking of. Hence also that passage in the prophet Zechariah, where the filthy garment is taken from the priest and it is said to him, “See, I have taken away your sins.” I think that all these, and others of this kind, which show that every human being is born under sin and the curse, are read not in the darkness of the Manichees but in the light of the catholics.

Luke 19:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 20:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 51:5 (50:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 144:4 (143:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 39:5 (38:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Eccl 1:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Eccl 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 14:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 14:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 14:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 14:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Job 14:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Zech 3:4 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Infant exorcism and many Scriptures teaching that all are born under sin are older than Manichaeism and belong to the catholic faith.

  • Several quotations follow the Greek and Latin Old Testament: Ps 51:5 (50:7), Ps 144:4 (143:4), Ps 39:5 (38:6), and Job 14:1–5, whose 'not even one, even if his life has been one day' is from the Greek. The Ecclesiasticus quotation is Sir 40:1.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR read a quotation mark as a round bracket): (si natura per deum → si natura per deum.

Extrabiblical texts: Sir 40:1 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.50 (CSEL 42:305–307; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-50). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.51CSEL 42:307–308

Quid autem dicam de ipsis diuinarum scripturarum tractatoribus, qui in catholica ecclesia floruerunt, quomodo haec non in alios sensus conati sunt uertere, quoniam stabiles erant in antiquissima et robustissima fide, non autem nouitio mouebantur errore? quos si colligere et eorum testimoniis uti uelim, et nimis longum erit et de canonicis auctoritatibus, a quibus non debemus auerti, minus fortasse uidebor praesumpsisse quam debui. uerumtamen, ut omittam beatissimum Ambrosium, cui Pelagius, sicut iam commemoraui, tam magnum integritatis in fide perhibuit testimonium — qui tamen Ambrosius nihil aliud defendit in paruulis, ut haberent necessarium medicum Christum, nisi originale peccatum — numquid et gloriosissimae coronae Cyprianus dicetur ab aliquo non solum fuisse, sed uel esse potuisse Manicheus, cum prius iste sit passus, quam illa in orbe Romano pestis adparuit? et tamen in libro de baptismate paruulorum ita defendit originale peccatum, ut propterea dicat et ante octauum diem, si necesse sit, paruulum baptizari oportere, ne pereat anima eius. quem tanto uult intellegi ad indulgentiam baptismi facilius peruenire, quanto magis ei dimittuntur non propria, sed aliena peccata. hos iste audeat dicere Manicheos et antiquissimam ecclesiae traditionem isto nefario crimine aspergat, qua exorcizantur, ut dixi, et exsufflantur paruuli, ut in regnum Christi a potestate tenebrarum, hoc est diaboli et angelorum eius, eruti transferantur. nos autem paratiores sumus cum istis uiris et cum ecclesia Christi in huius fidei antiquitate firmata quaelibet maledicta et contumelias perpeti quam cum Pelagianis cuiuslibet eloquii praedicatione laudari.

What shall I say about the interpreters of the divine Scriptures who flourished in the catholic church—how they did not try to turn these texts into other senses, since they were steadfast in the most ancient and most robust faith and were not moved by newfangled error? If I wished to collect them and use their testimonies, it would take too long, and I might seem to have relied less than I ought on the canonical authorities, from which we must not turn away. Yet—to pass over most blessed Ambrose, to whom Pelagius, as I have already mentioned, bore so great a testimony of soundness in the faith, and who nevertheless defended nothing else in little children, as the reason they need Christ the physician, but original sin—will anyone say that Cyprian, of most glorious crown, not only was a Manichee but even could have been one, since he suffered before that plague appeared in the Roman world? And yet in his book on the baptism of little children he so defends original sin as to say for that reason that a little child ought to be baptized even before the eighth day, if necessary, lest his soul perish; and he wants it understood that the child comes to the pardon of baptism the more easily, the more the sins forgiven him are not his own but another's. Let this man dare to call these men Manichees, and bespatter with this wicked charge the most ancient tradition of the church, by which, as I have said, little children are exorcised and breathed upon, so that, rescued from the power of darkness, that is, of the devil and his angels, they may be transferred into the kingdom of Christ. As for us, we are more ready, with these men and with the church of Christ, established in the antiquity of this faith, to endure any curses and insults whatever than to be praised by the Pelagians with any eloquence whatever.

Col 1:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 25:41 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Ambrose and Cyprian, who wrote before Manichaeism reached the Roman world, taught original sin and infant baptism for its forgiveness.

  • Cyprian's 'book on the baptism of little children' is his Letter 64, to Fidus, a synodal reply on baptizing infants before the eighth day.

Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Ep. 64 (Letters; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.51 (CSEL 42:307–308; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-51). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.52CSEL 42:308–309

Ais iterum, inquit, et dicis: nulla esset concupiscentia, nisi homo ante peccasset, nuptiae uero essent, etiamsi nemo peccasset; non dixi: nulla esset concupiscentia, quia est et glorianda concupiscentia spiritalis, qua concupiscitur sapientia, sed dixi: nulla esset pudenda concupiscentia. relegantur uerba mea, quae etiam ipse posuit, ut quanta ab illo fraude commemorentur adpareat. sed quo uoluerit eam nomine appellet, illa dixi quod non esset, nisi homo ante peccasset, de qua erubuerunt in paradiso, qui pudenda texerunt, quam nemo negat, quoniam peccatum inoboedientiae praecesserat, ideo subsecutam. qui autem uult intellegere quid senserint, debet considerare quid texerint. succinctoria quippe sibi de foliis ficulneis, non uestimenta fecerunt, quae succinctoria graece περιζώματα nuncupantur. quid autem cooperiant perizomata, omnibus notum est, quae nonnulli latini campestria sunt interpretati. quis autem ignorat qui campestrantur quas partes corporis contegant? has enim tegebant Romani iuuenes, quando nudi exercebantur in campo, unde hoc genus tegminis tale nomen accepit.

“You say again,” he says, “‘There would be no concupiscence had man not sinned first, but marriage would exist even if no one had sinned.’” I did not say, “There would be no concupiscence,” since there is also a spiritual concupiscence to be gloried in, by which wisdom is desired; but I said, “There would be no shameful concupiscence.” Let my words be read again, which he himself also set down, so that it may appear with what deceit they are cited by him. But let him call it by whatever name he likes: I said that that would not exist, had man not sinned first, at which those in paradise blushed who covered their shameful parts—which no one denies followed because the sin of disobedience had gone before. Whoever wants to understand what they felt ought to consider what they covered. For they made themselves girdles of fig leaves, not garments; and these girdles are called in Greek perizōmata. What perizōmata cover is known to all; some Latin translators have rendered them campestria. And who does not know what parts of the body are covered by those who wear the campestre? For the young Roman men covered these when they exercised naked on the Campus, from which this kind of covering got its name.

Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine spoke only of shameful concupiscence, which appeared after sin, as the fig-leaf girdles of Adam and Eve show.

  • The campestre was the loincloth worn for exercise on the Campus Martius at Rome.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Greek word garbled by OCR; the word is named again in the next sentence (perizomata)): graece 7teptCto{j.aTa nuncupantur → graece περιζώματα nuncupantur.

Topics: Marriage

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.52 (CSEL 42:308–309; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-52). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.53CSEL 42:309–311

Illae ergo nuptiae, inquit, quae sine concupiscentia, sine motu corporum, sine necessitate sexuum, ut dicis, esse potuerunt, a te pronuntiantur laudabiles; ista uero coniugia, quae nunc aguntur, a diabolo inuenta definis. illa itaque, inquit, quae institui potuisse somnias, bona deliberas, ista uero, de quibus dicit scriptura diuina: relinquet homo patrem et matrem et adhaerebit uxori suae, et erunt duo in carne una, profiteris mala diabolica, morbum postremo debere, non coniugium nuncupari. non est mirum, si Pelagiani dicta nostra in sensus quos uolunt detorquere conantur, quando et de scripturis sanctis, non ubi obscure aliquid dictum est, sed ubi clara et aperta sunt testimonia, id facere consueuerunt more quidem haereticorum etiam ceterorum. quis enim diceret sine motu corporum, sine necessitate sexuum nuptias esse potuisse? deus enim fecit sexus, quia masculum et feminam fecit eos, sicut scriptum est. unde autem fieri posset, ut qui fuerant coniungendi et ipsa coniunctione generaturi sua corpora non mouerent, quandoquidem nullus fit hominis ad hominem corporalis accessus, si desit corporis motus? non ergo hic quaestio est de motu corporum, sine quo non possent omnino misceri, sed de pudendo motu genitalium, qui profecto non esset et tamen seminatrix commixtio non deesset, si genitalia non libidini, sed uoluntati sicut cetera membra seruirent. an non etiam nunc in corpore mortis huius imperatur pedi, brachio, digito, labro, linguae, et ad nutum nostrum continuo porriguntur? humori denique, quod est mirabilius, in uesica intus posito qui, et quando eius copia non urgemur, imperatur ut profluat et obtemperat? immo ipsis abditis uisceribus et neruis, quibus idem humor continetur, imperatur, ut eum propellant, exprimant, eiciant, et, si sanitas adest, sine difficultate seruiunt uoluntati. quanto ergo facilius atque tranquillius oboedientibus genitalibus corporis partibus et ipsum membrum porrigeretur et homo seminaretur, nisi hominibus illis inoboedientibus membrorum istorum inoboedientia iusto supplicio redderetur? quod supplicium casti sentiunt, qui procul dubio mallent, si possent, iubente uoluntate quam pruriente uoluptate filios seminare. inmundi autem, qui propter istum morbum non solum meretrices, uerum etiam coniuges amant, de hoc supplicio carnis grauiore supplicio mentis exultant.

“That marriage, then,” he says, “which, as you say, could have existed without concupiscence, without motion of bodies, without necessity of the sexes, you pronounce praiseworthy; but these marriages which take place now you define as devised by the devil. What you dream could have been instituted,” he says, “you judge to be good; but these, of which the divine Scripture says, ‘A man will leave father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two will be in one flesh,’ you declare to be diabolical evils, which should in the end be called a disease, not marriage.” It is no wonder if the Pelagians try to twist our statements into the senses they want, since they are accustomed to do this even with the holy Scriptures—not where something is said obscurely, but where the testimonies are clear and open—in the manner, indeed, of other heretics too. For who would say that marriage could have existed without motion of bodies, without necessity of the sexes? For God made the sexes, since he made them male and female, as it is written. And how could it happen that those who were to be joined, and to beget by that very joining, should not move their bodies, since no bodily approach of one human being to another takes place without motion of the body? The question here, then, is not about the motion of bodies, without which they could not unite at all, but about the shameful motion of the genitals, which surely would not exist—and yet the seed-sowing union would not be lacking—if the genitals served not lust but the will, like the other members. Is it not so even now, in the body of this death, that we command the foot, the arm, the finger, the lip, the tongue, and at our nod they are at once stretched out? Even the fluid held inside the bladder—what is more wonderful—is commanded to flow out, even when we are not pressed by its quantity, and it obeys. Indeed, the hidden organs and sinews by which that fluid is held are commanded to propel it, press it out, and expel it, and, if there is health, they serve the will without difficulty. How much more easily and tranquilly, then, would the member itself be extended and man be sown, with the genital parts of the body obeying, had not the disobedience of these members been paid back as a just punishment to those disobedient human beings? This punishment the chaste feel, who would doubtless prefer, if they could, to sow children at the command of the will rather than by the itch of pleasure. But the unclean, who because of this disease love not only harlots but even their wives, exult in this punishment of the flesh with a heavier punishment of the mind.

Gen 2:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:27 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 7:24 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine never denied bodily motion in marriage, only the shameful motion of the genitals, which would have obeyed the will like other members had there been no sin.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR read a quotation mark as a round bracket; stray period inside the sentence): (Illae ergo nuptiae → Illae ergo nuptiae; propter istum morbum. non solum → propter istum morbum non solum.

Topics: Marriage

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.53 (CSEL 42:309–311; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-53). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.54CSEL 42:311–312

Absit ergo, ut dicamus, quod nos dicere iste confingit. ista coniugia, quae nunc aguntur, a diabolo inuenta prorsus ipsae sunt nuptiae, quas ab initio deus instituit. hoc enim bonum suum ad hominum generationem institutum etiam damnatis hominibus non detraxit, quibus non detraxit etiam sensus carnis et membra, procul dubio munera sua, quamuis iam debita damnatione moritura. istae, inquam, sunt nuptiae, de quibus dictum est — excepto, quod hic figuratum est, magno illo Christi et ecclesiae sacramento —: propterea relinquet homo patrem et matrem et adhaerebit uxori suae, et erunt duo in carne una. hoc enim ante peccatum dictum est et, si nemo peccasset, sine pudenda libidine posset fieri. et nunc quamuis sine illa non fiat in corpore mortis huius, ipsum est tamen quod non cessat fieri, ut adhaereat homo uxori suae et sint duo in carne una. quamobrem etsi dicitur nunc alias esse nuptias, alias uero, si nemo peccasset, esse potuisse, non secundum earum naturam, sed secundum quandam in deterius mutatam dicitur qualitatem. sicut alius dicitur, quamuis idem ipse sit homo, qui mutauerit uitam siue in melius siue in deterius — aliud est enim iustus, aliud peccator, quamuis idem ipse sit homo — sic aliae nuptiae sine pudenda libidine, aliae cum pudenda libidine, cum tamen secundum constitutionem suam, qua legitime coniungitur mulier uiro et fides carnalis debiti ab adulteriorum peccato seruatur inmunis et hoc more legitimo filii seminantur, eaedem ipsae sunt nuptiae, quas deus instituit, quamuis diabolus non ipsas, sed homines, ex quibus nuptiae fiunt, antiqua peccati persuasione sauciauerit inoboedientiae persuadendo peccatum, cui per diuinum iudicium inoboedientia membrorum reciproca redderetur, in qua coniugati, quamuis erubuerint nuditatem suam, nuptiarum tamen a deo institutam non omnimodo potuerunt amittere bonitatem.

Far be it from us, then, to say what he pretends we say, that the marriages that take place now were devised by the devil. They are absolutely the same marriage that God instituted from the beginning. For he did not take this good of his, instituted for the generation of human beings, away even from condemned human beings, from whom he did not take away the senses and members of the flesh either, which are surely his gifts, though now destined to die by the condemnation that was due. This, I say, is the marriage of which it was said—apart from that great sacrament of Christ and the church which is figured here—“For this reason a man will leave father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two will be in one flesh.” For this was said before sin, and if no one had sinned it could have taken place without shameful lust. And now, although in the body of this death it does not take place without it, it is still the very thing that does not cease to take place: that a man cleaves to his wife and the two are in one flesh. So if it is said that marriage now is one thing, and would have been another if no one had sinned, this is said not according to its nature but according to a certain quality changed for the worse. Just as a man who has changed his life, whether for the better or for the worse, is called another man, although he is the same man—for a righteous man is one thing and a sinner another, though he is the same man—so marriage without shameful lust is one thing, and marriage with shameful lust another. Yet according to its constitution, by which a woman is lawfully joined to a man, the faithfulness of the carnal debt is kept free from the sin of adulteries, and children are sown in this lawful way, it is the same marriage that God instituted—although the devil wounded not marriage itself but the human beings from whom marriages are formed, by the ancient persuasion of sin, persuading them to the sin of disobedience, to which the disobedience of the members was paid back in return by divine judgment. In this state the married, though they blushed at their nakedness, could not altogether lose the goodness of marriage instituted by God.

Eph 5:32 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 2:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:24 (echo, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Present marriage is the same marriage God instituted, changed in quality by sin but not in nature.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period inside the sentence): in qua coniugati. quamuis → in qua coniugati, quamuis.

Topics: Marriage

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.54 (CSEL 42:311–312; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-54). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.55CSEL 42:312–313

Hinc iste pergit ab eis, qui coniunguntur, ad eos, qui gignuntur, propter quos in hac quaestione tantis aduersus nouos haereticos disputationibus laboramus, et occulto dei conpulsus instinctu dicit aliquid, ubi totum istum nodum sua confessione dissoluit. uolens enim nobis maiorem inuidiam commouere, quia dicimus etiam de legitimis nuptiis sub peccato paruulos nasci, illos ergo, inquit, qui numquam nati sunt, bonos potuisse esse dicis, istos uero, qui mundum inpleuerunt, pro quibus Christus mortuus est, diaboli opus et de morbo natos et ab exordio reos definis. probaui itaque, inquit, nihil te aliud agere, quam ut deum neges horum, qui sunt, hominum conditorem. ego quidem conditorem hominum omnium, quamuis omnes sub peccato nascantur et pereant, nisi renascantur, non dico nisi deum; uitium quippe inseminatum est persuasione diaboli, per quod sub peccato nati sunt, non natura condita qua homines sunt. libido autem pudenda non moueat membra, nisi quando uolumus, et non est morbus; non de illa erubescat etiam licitus et honestus coniugatorum concubitus uitando conspectum et adpetendo secretum, et non est morbus; non prohibeat apostolus in hoc morbo possideri uxores, et non est morbus. quod enim graecus habet: ἐν πάθει ἐπιθυμίας, alii latine interpretati sunt: in morbo desiderii uel concupiscentiae, alii uero: in passione concupiscentiae, uel si quo alio modo in aliis atque aliis codicibus inuenitur. sed passio in latina lingua, maxime usu loquendi ecclesiastico, non ad uituperationem consueuit intellegi.

From here he passes from those who are joined to those who are begotten—for whose sake we labor in this question with so many disputes against the new heretics—and, driven by a hidden prompting of God, says something by which he unties this whole knot by his own confession. For, wishing to stir up greater odium against us because we say that little children are born under sin even from lawful marriage, he says: “Those, then, who were never born you say could have been good; but these who have filled the world, for whom Christ died, you define as the work of the devil, born of a disease, and guilty from the beginning. I have proved, then,” he says, “that you aim at nothing else than to deny that God is the creator of these human beings who exist.” I, for my part, say that the creator of all human beings is none but God, although all are born under sin and perish unless they are reborn; for it is a fault, sown by the persuasion of the devil, through which they are born under sin, not the created nature by which they are human beings. But let shameful lust not move the members except when we will, and then it is not a disease; let even the lawful and honorable intercourse of married people not blush at it, avoiding sight and seeking privacy, and then it is not a disease; let the apostle not forbid wives to be possessed in this disease, and then it is not a disease. For what the Greek has, en pathei epithymias, some have translated into Latin as “in the disease of desire” or “of concupiscence,” others as “in the passion of concupiscence,” or in whatever other way it is found in various manuscripts. But passio in the Latin language, especially in the usage of the church, is not usually understood as a term of blame.

1 Thess 4:5 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Julian admits that Christ died for infants; lust is a disease because it moves against the will and causes shame, as 1 Thess 4:5 implies.

  • The Greek of 1 Thess 4:5 is ἐν πάθει ἐπιθυμίας, 'in passion of lust'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Greek phrase of 1 Thess 4:5 garbled by OCR; words run together by OCR): νπά rcadst IrciitojiAac → ἐν πάθει ἐπιθυμίας; in morbo desideriiuel → in morbo desiderii uel; aliiuero → alii uero.

Topics: Marriage, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.55 (CSEL 42:312–313; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-55). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.56CSEL 42:313–315

Quodlibet autem de pudenda concupiscentia carnis iste sentiat, de paruulis, pro quibus laboramus, ut saluatore indigere credantur, ne sine salute moriantur, adtende quid dixerit. uerba eius repeto: illos ergo, inquit, qui numquam nati sunt, bonos potuisse esse dicis, istos uero, qui mundum inpleuerunt, pro quibus Christus mortuus est, diaboli opus et de morbo natos et ab exordio reos definis. o si nodum soluat etiam contentionis, quomodo nodum soluit istius quaestionis! numquid enim se modo de maioribus ista locutum esse dicturus est? de paruulis agitur, de nascentibus agitur, de his nobis, quia rei ab exordio definiuntur a nobis, ab illo inuidia commouetur, quia eos dicimus reos, pro quibus Christus mortuus est. cur ergo pro illis Christus mortuus est, si non sunt rei? inde prorsus, inde obtinebimus causam, unde excitandam putauit inuidiam. ipse dicit: quomodo sunt rei paruuli pro quibus Christus mortuus est? nos respondemus: immo paruuli quomodo rei non sunt, pro quibus Christus mortuus est? ista controuersia iudicem quaerat. iudicet ergo Christus et, cui rei mors eius profecerit, ipse dicat. hic est, inquit, sanguis meus, qui pro multis effundetur in remissionem peccatorum. iudicet cum illo et apostolus, quia et in apostolo ipse loquitur Christus. clamat et dicit de deo patre, quia proprio filio non pepercit, sed pro nobis omnibus tradidit eum. puto, quod ita dicat Christum traditum pro omnibus nobis, ut in hac causa paruuli non separentur a nobis. sed quid opus est hinc satagere, unde iam nec iste contendit, quandoquidem non solum confitetur mortuum fuisse etiam pro paruulis Christum, uerum etiam inde nos arguit, quod eosdem paruulos reos dicimus, pro quibus mortuus est Christus? iam itaque apostolus, qui dixit pro nobis omnibus traditum Christum, dicat etiam quare sit pro nobis traditus Christus. traditus est, inquit, propter delicta nostra et resurrexit propter iustificationem nostram. si igitur, sicut iste et confitetur et profitetur et dicit et obicit, in eis sunt et paruuli, pro quibus traditus est Christus, et propter delicta nostra est traditus Christus, habent profecto et paruuli delicta originalia, pro quibus est traditus Christus, habet quod in eis sanet, qui, sicut ipse ait, non est opus sanis medicus, sed male habentibus; habet cur eos saluos faciat, qui uenit in mundum, sicut dicit apostolus Paulus, peccatores saluos facere; habet quod in eis remittat, qui sanguinem se fudisse testatur in remissionem peccatorum; habet propter quod eos quaerat, qui uenit, ut dicit, quaerere et saluum facere quod perierat; habet quod in eis soluat filius dei, qui propterea uenit, sicut dicit apostolus Iohannes, ut soluat opera diaboli. huic ergo paruulorum saluti inimicus est, qui eorum sic adserit innocentiam, ut sauciatis et uulneratis neget necessariam medicinam.

But whatever he thinks about the shameful concupiscence of the flesh, note what he has said about the little children, for whom we labor so that they may be believed to need a Savior, lest they die without salvation. I repeat his words: “Those, then, who were never born you say could have been good; but these who have filled the world, for whom Christ died, you define as the work of the devil, born of a disease, and guilty from the beginning.” Oh, if only he would untie the knot of contentiousness as he has untied the knot of this question! Will he now say that he said these things about adults? The question is about little children, about those being born; it is about them that he stirs up odium against us, because we define them as guilty from the beginning—because we say that those for whom Christ died are guilty. Why, then, did Christ die for them, if they are not guilty? From there, from there indeed, we shall win our case, from the very place where he thought odium should be stirred up. He says: how are little children guilty, for whom Christ died? We answer: no, how are little children not guilty, for whom Christ died? This dispute needs a judge. Let Christ judge, then, and let him say what his death availed for. “This is my blood,” he says, “which will be shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.” Let the apostle judge with him, since Christ himself speaks in the apostle too. He cries out and says of God the Father that he did not spare his own Son but handed him over for us all. I think he says that Christ was handed over for us all in such a way that in this case little children are not separated from us. But what need is there to labor over this, about which even he no longer disputes, since he not only confesses that Christ died even for little children, but even blames us for calling guilty the little children for whom Christ died? Now, then, let the apostle, who said that Christ was handed over for us all, also say why Christ was handed over for us. “He was handed over,” he says, “for our offenses and rose for our justification.” If, then, as this man both confesses and professes, both says and objects, little children too are among those for whom Christ was handed over, and Christ was handed over for our offenses, then little children certainly have original offenses, for which Christ was handed over. He has something to heal in them, who, as he himself says, is not needed as a physician by the healthy but by the sick; he has a reason to save them, who came into the world, as the apostle Paul says, to save sinners; he has something to forgive in them, who testifies that he shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins; he has a reason to seek them, who came, as he says, to seek and to save what was lost; the Son of God has something to destroy in them, who came, as the apostle John says, for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. He, then, is an enemy of the salvation of little children who so asserts their innocence as to deny the necessary medicine to the wounded and injured.

Matt 26:28 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:3 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 8:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 9:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 19:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 3:8 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Since Julian admits that Christ died for infants, and Christ died for sins, infants must have original sin for Christ to forgive.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR misread u as e; stray bracket; stray period inside the sentence; stray quotation mark; OCR misread a comma as a backslash): carnis iste. sentiat → carnis iste sentiat; 'illos ergo\\ inquit → illos ergo, inquit; ab exordio reos definis). → ab exordio reos definis.; non separenter a nobis → non separentur a nobis.

Topics: Heresy, Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.56 (CSEL 42:313–315; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-56). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.57CSEL 42:315–316

Iam quod sequitur et adiungit, adtende. si ante peccatum, inquit, per deum creatum est unde homines nascerentur, per diabolum autem unde parentes commouerentur, adscribetur sine dubio sanctitas nascentibus et culpa generantibus. quod quia manifestissime nuptias damnat, amoueto hunc sensum, precor, de ecclesiarum medio et uere credito quia per Iesum Christum facta sunt omnia et sine ipso factum est nihil. ita hoc dicit, quasi nos dicamus per diabolum aliquid substantiae creatum in hominibus. persuasit malum diabolus tamquam peccatum, non creauit tamquam naturam. sed plane naturae persuasit, quia homo natura est, et ideo eam persuadendo uitiauit. qui enim uulnerat, non creat membra, sed uexat. sed uulnera, quae corporibus infliguntur, membra faciunt claudicare uel aegre moueri, non eam uirtutem qua iustus est homo; uulnus autem, quod peccatum uocatur, ipsam uitam uulnerat, qua recte uiuebatur. hoc autem ualde tunc maius atque altius diabolus inflixit, quam sunt ista hominibus nota peccata. unde illo magno primi hominis peccato natura ibi nostra in deterius commutata non solum est facta peccatrix, uerum etiam genuit peccatores. et tamen ipse languor, quo bene uiuendi uirtus periit, non est utique natura, sed uitium, sicut certe mala in corpore ualitudo non est ulla substantia uel natura, sed uitium, et licet non semper, tamen plerumque malae ualitudines parentum ingenerantur quodam modo et adparent in corporibus filiorum.

Now note what follows and what he adds: “If before sin,” he says, “that from which human beings would be born was created through God, but that by which parents are aroused was created through the devil, holiness will doubtless be ascribed to those who are born and guilt to those who beget. Since this most plainly condemns marriage, remove this idea, I beg, from the midst of the churches, and truly believe that all things were made through Jesus Christ and without him nothing was made.” He says this as though we said that something of substance in human beings was created through the devil. The devil persuaded evil as sin; he did not create it as a nature. But plainly he persuaded a nature, since man is a nature, and so by persuading he corrupted it. For one who wounds does not create members but harms them. But wounds inflicted on bodies make the members limp or move with difficulty, not the virtue by which a man is righteous; while the wound called sin wounds the very life by which one was living rightly. And this wound the devil then inflicted far greater and deeper than the sins known to human beings. Hence by that great sin of the first man our nature, there changed for the worse, not only became a sinner but also begot sinners. And yet the very languor by which the power of living well perished is certainly not a nature but a fault, just as bad health in the body is surely no substance or nature but a fault; and, though not always, still very often the bad health of parents is in a certain way implanted in, and appears in, the bodies of their children.

John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The devil created nothing in human nature but wounded it by persuading sin, so that fallen nature begets sinners, as sick parents pass on illness.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period inside the sentence; stray quotation mark): inquit, 'per deum → inquit, per deum; altius diabolus inflixit. quam sunt → altius diabolus inflixit, quam sunt.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.57 (CSEL 42:315–316; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-57). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.58CSEL 42:316

Hoc autem peccatum, quod ipsum hominem in paradiso mutauit in peius, quia multo est grandius quam iudicare nos possumus, ab omni nascente trahitur nec nisi in renascente remittitur, ita ut etiam de parentibus iam renatis, in quibus remissum atque tectum est, trahatur in reatum nascentium filiorum, nisi et ipsos, quos prima carnalis natiuitas obligauit, secunda spiritalis absoluat, cuius rei mirabilis mirabile creator in oliua et oleastro produxit exemplum, ubi non solum ex oleastri, uerum etiam ex oliuae semine nonnisi oleaster exoritur. quapropter quamuis et in hominibus natura generatis, gratia regeneratis sit ista carnalis concupiscentia repugnans legi mentis, tamen, quia remissa est in remissione peccatorum, non iam illis in peccatum reputatur nec nocet aliquid, nisi eius motibus ad inlicita consentiatur. proles uero eorum, quia non per spiritalem, sed per carnalem concupiscentiam seminatur, uelut ex illa oliua quidam nostri generis oleaster sic inde reatum nascendo trahit, ut nisi renascendo liberari ab illa peste non possit. quomodo ergo adfirmat iste nos adscribere sanctitatem nascentibus et culpam generantibus, cum potius ueritas monstrat, etsi fuerit sanctitas in generantibus, originalem culpam inesse nascentibus, quae non aboleatur nisi renascentibus?

But this sin, which changed man himself for the worse in paradise, because it is far greater than we can judge, is contracted by everyone who is born and is forgiven only in one who is reborn; so that even from parents already reborn, in whom it has been forgiven and covered, it is contracted into the guilt of the children who are born, unless the second, spiritual birth absolves those too whom the first, carnal birth has bound. Of this wonderful thing the Creator has produced a wonderful example in the olive and the wild olive, where not only from the seed of the wild olive but even from the seed of the olive nothing but a wild olive springs up. Therefore, although this carnal concupiscence, warring against the law of the mind, is present also in human beings who are generated by nature and regenerated by grace, yet, because it has been forgiven in the forgiveness of sins, it is no longer reckoned to them as sin, nor does it do any harm, unless consent is given to its motions toward unlawful things. But their offspring, because it is sown not through spiritual but through carnal concupiscence, like a wild olive of our kind from that olive, so contracts guilt from it by being born that it cannot be set free from that plague except by being reborn. How, then, does he claim that we ascribe holiness to those who are born and guilt to those who beget, when the truth rather shows that, even if there has been holiness in those who beget, original guilt is present in those who are born, which is abolished only in those who are reborn?

Rom 7:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:17 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Original sin, forgiven in baptized parents, is still passed to their children, as the olive's seed yields a wild olive.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.58 (CSEL 42:316; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-58). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.59CSEL 42:316–318

Quae cum ita sint, de ista carnis concupiscentia et de libidine imperiosa inpudicis, domanda pudicis, pudenda tamen et pudicis et inpudicis, sentiat iste quodlibet, quia ei, sicut uideo, multum placet; non eam laudare cunctetur, quam nominare confunditur; appellet eam, sicut appellauit, membrorum uigorem nec castarum aurium reuereatur horrorem; appellet membrorum potentiam nec caueat inpudentiam; dicat, si non erubescit, in paradiso si nemo peccasset, hunc ibi uigorem uelut florem uirere potuisse nec opus fuisse, ut tegeretur, quod ita moueretur, ut inde nemo confunderetur, sed parata coniuge semper exerceretur, numquam reprimeretur, ne aliquando uoluntas tantae felicitati negaretur. absit enim, ut illa beatitudo posset aut in loco illo non habere quod uellet aut in suo corpore uel animo sentire quod nollet ac per hoc si motus libidinis uoluntatem hominum praeueniret, uoluntas continuo sequeretur, uxor, quae propter hoc numquam absens esse debebat, siue conceptura siue iam grauida, ilico admoueretur et aut proles seminaretur aut uoluptas naturalis et laudabilis expleretur et periret semen hominis, ne adpetitus tam bonae concupiscentiae fraudaretur: tantum non se conuerterent coniuges in eum usum, qui est contra naturam, sed quotiens delectaret, membris ad hoc creatis et genitalibus uterentur. uerumtamen quid si et ille usus contra naturam forsitan delectaret, quid si et in hanc uoluptatem laudabilis illa libido adhinniret? utrum sequerentur eam, quoniam suauis esset, an repugnarent, quoniam turpis esset? si sequerentur, ubi est cogitatio qualiscumque honestatis? si repugnarent, ubi est pax tantae felicitatis? hinc si forte erubuerit et dixerit tantam pacem felicitatis illius tantumque ordinem in his rebus esse potuisse, ut numquam carnis concupiscentia uoluntatem illorum hominum praeueniret, sed, cum ipsi uellent, tunc illa consurgeret, tunc autem uellent, quando ad seminandos filios opus esset, ita ut nullus seminis esset inritus iactus, nullus fieret concubitus, quem non sequeretur conceptus et partus ad nutum seruiente carne, ad nutum seruiente libidine: hoc si dicit, saltem consideret nunc in hominibus non esse quod dicit. et si non uult concedere uitium esse libidinem, dicat saltem per illorum hominum inoboedientiam etiam ipsam uitiatam esse carnis concupiscentiam, ut illa, quae oboedienter et ordinate moueretur, nunc inoboedienter inordinateque moueatur, ita ut ipsis quoque pudicis ad nutum non obtemperet coniugatis, sed et quando non est necessaria moueatur et, quando necessaria est, aliquando citius, aliquando tardius, eorum sequatur nutus, sed suos exerat motus. hanc ergo eius inoboedientiam inoboedientes illi tunc homines receperunt et in nos propagine transfuderunt. neque enim ad eorum nutum, sed utique inordinate mouebatur, quando membra prius glorianda, tunc iam pudenda texerunt.

Since this is so, let him think whatever he likes about this concupiscence of the flesh and this lust—imperious over the unchaste, to be tamed by the chaste, yet shameful to chaste and unchaste alike—since, as I see, it pleases him greatly. Let him not hesitate to praise what he is ashamed to name; let him call it, as he has called it, the vigor of the members, and not respect the horror of chaste ears; let him call it the power of the members, and not beware of shamelessness; let him say, if he does not blush, that in paradise, had no one sinned, this vigor could have flourished there like a flower, and that there was no need to cover what would move in such a way that no one would be confounded by it, but that, a wife always being ready, it would always be exercised and never repressed, lest its will should ever be denied to so great a happiness. For far be it that that blessedness should either lack in that place what it wanted or feel in its body or mind what it did not want; and so, if the motion of lust anticipated the will of human beings, the will would at once follow, and the wife, who for this reason ought never to be absent, whether she was to conceive or was already pregnant, would at once be brought near, and either offspring would be sown or the natural and praiseworthy pleasure would be satisfied and the man's seed would perish, lest the appetite of so good a concupiscence be cheated—only the spouses would not turn to that use which is against nature, but as often as it delighted them they would use the members created for this, the genitals. And yet what if that use against nature also perhaps delighted them—what if that praiseworthy lust neighed after this pleasure too? Would they follow it, because it was sweet, or resist it, because it was base? If they followed it, where is any thought of honor? If they resisted it, where is the peace of such great happiness? If perhaps he blushes at this and says that the peace of that happiness and the order in these things could have been so great that the concupiscence of the flesh would never anticipate the will of those human beings, but would rise up when they themselves willed, and that they would will it when it was needed for sowing children, so that no emission of seed would be in vain and no intercourse would take place that was not followed by conception and birth, the flesh serving at their nod, lust serving at their nod—if he says this, let him at least consider that what he describes does not exist in human beings now. And if he will not grant that lust is a fault, let him at least say that through the disobedience of those human beings the concupiscence of the flesh itself was corrupted, so that what would have moved obediently and in order now moves disobediently and without order, so that it does not obey the nod even of chaste married people, but moves also when it is not needed, and, when it is needed, sometimes sooner, sometimes later, follows their nod, yet puts forth motions of its own. This disobedience of it, then, those disobedient human beings received and poured into us by descent. For it was not moving at their nod, but certainly without order, when they covered the members that had before been matters for glory and were then shameful.

Rom 1:26 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine ridicules the idea of unrestrained lust in paradise and argues that, even on Julian's view, concupiscence must have been corrupted by the first sin.

  • Augustine's reductio of Julian's praise of desire is translated as written, including its frank language.

Topics: Marriage

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.59 (CSEL 42:316–318; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-59). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).

2.60CSEL 42:318–320

Sed, ut dixi, sentiat de ista libidine iste quodlibet, praedicet utlibet, laudet quantumlibet — sicut enim multis locis significat, multum libet — ut eius si non usibus, saltem laudibus Pelagiani oblectentur, quicumque eorum proposito continentiae carne coniugum non fruuntur, tantum paruulis parcat, ut non eos laudet inutiliter defendatque crudeliter, saluos esse non dicat, non ad laudatorem Pelagium, sed ad saluatorem Christum uenire permittat. nam ut iam liber iste claudatur, quoniam ita sermo illius terminatus est, qui in chartula quam misisti scriptus est, ut diceret: uere credito quia per Iesum facta sunt omnia, et sine ipso factum est nihil, concedat Iesum etiam paruulis esse Iesum et, ut per eum facta omnia fatetur per id quod est uerbum deus, ita etiam paruulos ab eo saluos fieri fateatur per id quod est Iesus, si uult catholicus esse christianus. sic enim scriptum est in euangelio: et uocabunt nomen eius Iesum; ipse enim saluum faciet populum suum a peccatis eorum. ideo ergo Iesum, quoniam Iesus latine saluator est; ipse enim saluum faciet populum suum, in quo populo sunt utique et paruuli, saluum faciet autem a peccatis eorum. sunt ergo et in paruulis peccata originalia, propter quae Iesus, id est saluator possit esse et ipsorum.

But, as I said, let him think whatever he likes about this lust, proclaim it however he likes, praise it as much as he likes—for, as he shows in many places, he likes it much—so that the Pelagians, whichever of them, by a vow of continence, do not enjoy the flesh of wives, may delight in it, if not by its use, at least by its praises. Only let him spare the little children, so as not to praise them uselessly and defend them cruelly; let him not say that they are saved already, but let him allow them to come not to Pelagius the praiser but to Christ the Savior. For, to close this book now—since his discourse, written in the paper you sent, ended by saying, “Truly believe that all things were made through Jesus, and without him nothing was made”—let him grant that Jesus is Jesus for little children too, and, as he confesses that all things were made through him in that he is the Word, God, so let him confess that little children too are saved by him in that he is Jesus, if he wants to be a catholic Christian. For so it is written in the gospel: “And they will call his name Jesus; for he will save his people from their sins.” He is called Jesus, then, because Jesus in Latin is Savior; “for he will save his people”—and among that people there are certainly little children too—and “he will save them from their sins.” There are, then, original sins in little children too, because of which Jesus, that is, the Savior, can be theirs also.

John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 1:21 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine closes by urging Julian to let infants come to Christ, whose name Jesus means Savior from sins.

  • 'As much as he likes … he likes it much' renders the Latin wordplay quantumlibet … multum libet.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR misread l as a quotation mark and a question mark): sine ipso factum est nihi'?, → sine ipso factum est nihil,.

Topics: Heresy, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.60 (CSEL 42:318–320; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-47/#p-2-60). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).