Against the Letters of Petilian 2.224–2.240
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra litteras Petiliani (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 2
2.224CSEL 52:141–143
Augustinus respondit: Nos non speramus in homine, sed quantum possumus homines admonemus, ut in domino sperent, nec speramus in principibus, sed quantum possumus principes admonemus, ut in domino sperent, et si aliquid a principibus pro utilitate ecclesiae petimus, non in eis tamen speramus. neque enim et apostolus in illo tribuno sperauit tamquam in principe, a quo sibi egit ut deductores darentur armati, aut in ipsis armatis tamquam in hominibus, quorum multitudine saeptus euasit insidias perditorum. sed nec uos ipsos, quod ab imperatore basilicae uobis ut redderentur petistis, arguimus, tamquam in Iuliano principe speraueritis, sed arguimus, quod de Christi testimonio desperaueritis, a cuius unitate ipsas basilicas separastis. eas enim iubente inimico Christi accepistis, in quibus iussa Christi contemneretis, dum ualidum et uerum uobis uidetur quod Iulianus constituit dicens: hoc quoque supplicantibus Rogatiano, Pontio, Cassiano et ceteris episcopis, sed et clericis, accedit ad cumulum, ut abolitis, quae aduersus eos sine rescripto perperam gesta sunt, in antiquum statum cuncta reuocentur, inualidum autem et falsum quod Christus constituit dicens: eritis mihi testes in Hierusalem et in totam Iudaeam et Samariam et usque in totam terram. obsecramus uos: corrigimini, redite ad hanc euidentissimam totius orbis unitatem, ut non uerbis apostatae Iuliani, sed uerbis saluatoris Christi in antiquum statum cuncta reuocentur. miseremini animae uestrae. non iam Constantinum et Iulianum comparamus, ut quam sint impares demonstremus. non dicimus: (si uos non sperastis in homine et in principe, cum homini imperatori pagano et apostatae dixistis, quod apud eum sola iustitia locum haberet — quibus precibus et rescripto, sicut ibi scriptum est, sicut allegationis gesta testantur, pars Donati uniuersaliter usa est —, multo minus nos criminari a uobis debemus, tamquam speremus in homine et in principe, si quid a Constantino uel a ceteris christianis imperatoribus nulla sacrilega adulatione petiuimus aut si quid ipsi non petentibus nobis memores rationis quam domino reddituri sunt, sub cuius uerbis tremunt cum audiunt quae ipse commemorasti: et nunc, reges, intellegite et cetera et alia multa, ultro pro ecclesiae catholicae unitate constituunt. sed taceo de Constantino. Christum et Iulianum uobis opponimus — parum dico — deum et hominem, filium dei et filium gehennae, saluatorem animarum nostrarum et interfectorem animae suae. cur in basilicis possidendis Iuliani rescriptum tenetis et in ecclesiae pace amplectenda Christi euangelium non tenetis? clamamus et nos: quae perperam gesta sunt, in antiquum statum cuncta reuocentur. antiquius est euangelium Christi quam rescriptum Iuliani, antiquior est unitas Christi quam pars Donati, antiquiores sunt ecclesiae preces ad dominum pro unitate Christi quam Rogatiani et Pontii et Cassiani ad Iulianum pro parte Donati. an perperam geritur, cum reges prohibent diuisionem, et non perperam geritur, cum episcopi diuidunt unitatem? perperam geritur, cum ad defendendam ecclesiam Christi testimonio reges seruiunt, et non perperam geritur, cum ad negandam ecclesiam Christi testimonio episcopi contradicunt? obsecramus ergo, ut non contra euangelium, sed secundum euangelium etiam uerba ipsius Iuliani, cui sic supplicastis, audiantur et ea, quae perperam gesta sunt, in antiquum statum cuncta reuocentur.
Augustine answered: We do not hope in man, but as far as we can we admonish men to hope in the Lord; nor do we hope in princes, but as far as we can we admonish princes to hope in the Lord; and if we ask something from princes for the benefit of the church, we still do not hope in them. For neither did the apostle hope in that tribune as in a prince, from whom he obtained that armed escorts be given him, nor in the armed men as in men, surrounded by whose number he escaped the ambush of the desperate. Nor do we blame you yourselves for asking the emperor that the basilicas be returned to you, as if you had hoped in the prince Julian; but we blame you for having despaired of Christ's testimony, from whose unity you separated those very basilicas. For you received them at the order of Christ's enemy, so that in them you might despise Christ's orders, since what Julian decreed seems to you valid and true when he says: “This too is added to the sum, at the supplication of Rogatian, Pontius, Cassian, and the other bishops, and also clergy, that, what was wrongly done against them without a rescript being annulled, all things be restored to their former state”; while what Christ decreed seems invalid and false when he says, “You will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the whole earth.” We beg you: be corrected, return to this most evident unity of the whole world, so that, not by the words of the apostate Julian but by the words of Christ the Saviour, all things may be restored to their former state. Have pity on your souls. We are no longer comparing Constantine and Julian, to show how unequal they are. We do not say: if you did not hope in man and in a prince when you said to a man, a pagan and apostate emperor, that with him justice alone had a place (prayers and a rescript, as is written there and as the records of the presentation testify, which the party of Donatus used everywhere), much less should we be accused by you of hoping in man and in a prince if we asked anything of Constantine or the other Christian emperors without any sacrilegious flattery, or if they of their own accord, without our asking, mindful of the account they will render to the Lord, under whose words they tremble when they hear what you yourself recalled, “And now, kings, understand,” and the rest, and many other things, make decrees for the unity of the Catholic Church. But I say nothing of Constantine. We set before you Christ and Julian; I say too little: God and man, the Son of God and the son of Gehenna, the Saviour of our souls and the killer of his own soul. Why in possessing basilicas do you hold to Julian's rescript, and in embracing the peace of the church not hold to Christ's gospel? We too cry out: let all that was wrongly done be restored to its former state. Christ's gospel is older than Julian's rescript; the unity of Christ is older than the party of Donatus; the church's prayers to the Lord for Christ's unity are older than those of Rogatian and Pontius and Cassian to Julian for the party of Donatus. Or is it wrongly done when kings forbid division, and not wrongly done when bishops divide unity? Is it wrongly done when kings serve Christ's testimony in defending the church, and not wrongly done when bishops contradict Christ's testimony in denying the church? So we beg that, not against the gospel but according to the gospel, even the words of that Julian whom you so supplicated be heard, and that all that was wrongly done be restored to its former state.
Acts 23:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 2:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 118:8 (117:8 LXX) (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Catholics do not hope in princes; the Donatists themselves relied on Julian's rescript restoring their basilicas, which Augustine turns into a plea that all be restored to the older unity of Christ.
- Acts 23:23–24; Acts 1:8; Ps 2:10. Julian's rescript (362) restored the Donatist bishops at the petition of Rogatian, Pontius, Cassian, and others.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): antiquius eat euangelium → antiquius est euangelium.
Topics: Heresy, Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.224 (CSEL 52:141–143; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-224). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.225CSEL 52:143
Petilianus dixit: Uos uos, miseri, appello, qui persecutionum metu perterriti, dum uestras diuitias, non animas quaeritis, non tam fidem perfidam traditorum diligitis, quam contra ipsorum malitiam, quorum uobis patrocinia comparastis, non aliter quam ut naufragi in fluctibus fluctus subeunt ruituros atque in magno uitae periculo appetunt quod timetur, uel ut tyrannicus furor, ut neminem metuaty uult cum suo periculo uel timeri, sic sic ad arcem malitiae confugitis, innocentium damna uel poenas sine uestra formidine spectaturi. si hoc est uitare periculum, fugere sub ruinam, nec non etiam damnabilis fides est fidem, latroni seruare. postremo dementis lucri commercium est uestras animas perdere, ne diuitias amittatis. dicit enim dominus Christus: si omnem mundum lucri facias et animam tuam perdas, quid dabis commutationem pro anima tua?
Petilian said: “You, you wretches, I call upon, who, terrified by fear of persecutions, while you seek your riches and not your souls, do not so much love the faithless faith of the traitors as, against the malice of those very men whose patronage you have obtained for yourselves, behave no otherwise than shipwrecked men who in the waves go under the waves that are about to crash on them, and in great danger of life run toward what is feared; or as tyrannical fury, so as to fear no one, wishes to be feared even at its own peril: so, so you flee to the citadel of malice, to watch the losses or punishments of the innocent without fear for yourselves. If this is avoiding danger, it is fleeing beneath a collapse; and it is a damnable faith to keep faith with a robber. Finally, it is the trade of a mad profit to lose your souls so as not to lose your riches. For the Lord Christ says: ‘If you gain the whole world and lose your soul, what will you give in exchange for your soul?’”
Matt 16:26 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Petilian accuses Catholic laymen of joining the church to protect their wealth.
- Matt 16:26. Some words of the digital text are damaged (“metuaty,” “fidem, latroni”); translated by sense.
Topics: Persecution, Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.225 (CSEL 52:143; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-225). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.226CSEL 52:143–145
Augustinus respondit: Utilis esset ista exhortatio, fateor, si ea quisquam in bona causa uteretur. omnino bene deterruisti homines diuitias praeponere animae suae. sed uos, qui haec audistis, et nos paululum audite; hoc enim et nos dicimus, sed attendite quemadmodum. si uobis minantur reges auferre diuitias, quia Iudaei secundum carnem non estis aut quia idola uel daemonia non colitis aut quia in nullas haereses transferimini, sed in unitate catholica permanetis, eligite potius perire diuitias uestras, ne ipsi pereatis, sed nec aliud quicquam nec ipsam temporalem uitam saluti aeternae quae in Christo est praeferatis. si autem reges uobis propterea damna uel damnationem minantur, quia estis haeretici, terrent uos illi non crudeliter, sed misericorditer, uos autem non fortiter, sed pertinaciter non timetis. audite ergo Petrum dicentem: quae autem gloria est, si peccantes poenas patimini?, ut neque hic habeatis terrena solacia nec in futuro saeculo uitam aeternam, sed et hic angustias infelicium et ibi gehennas haereticorum. uides ergo tu, frater, cum quo mihi nunc res est, prius te debere ostendere utrum teneas ueritatem et tunc exhortari homines, ut pro ea tenenda parati sint carere omnibus quae temporaliter terrent. cum hoc non ostendas, quia non potes, non quia ingenium deest, sed quia mala causa est, cur festinas exhortationibus tuis facere homines et mendicos et imperitos et egentes et errantes et pannosos et contentiosos et famelicos et haereticos et in hoc saeculo bona temporalia perdentes et in Christi iudicio mala aeterna inuenientes? cautus autem filius, qui timendo flagellum patris recedit a cubili serpentis, nec uapulat nec perit; qui autem dolores disciplinae prae sua perniciosa uoluntate contemnit, et uapulat et perit. iam non intellegis, uir diserte, quoniam qui pro pace Christi omnibus terrenis caruerit, deum habet, qui autem pro parte Donati uel paucos nummos perdiderit, cor non habet?
Augustine answered: This exhortation would be useful, I admit, if anyone used it in a good cause. You did quite well to deter men from putting riches before their souls. But you who have heard this, hear us too a little; for we too say this, but notice how. If kings threaten to take away your riches because you are not Jews according to the flesh, or because you do not worship idols or demons, or because you do not go over to any heresy but remain in Catholic unity, choose rather that your riches perish so that you yourselves do not perish; and prefer nothing else, not even temporal life itself, to the eternal salvation that is in Christ. But if kings threaten you with losses or condemnation because you are heretics, they frighten you not cruelly but mercifully, and you do not fear, not bravely but stubbornly. So hear Peter saying, “What glory is it if you suffer punishment for sinning?”, so that you have neither earthly comforts here nor eternal life in the age to come, but here the straits of the unhappy and there the Gehenna of heretics. So you see, brother, with whom I am now dealing, that you ought first to show whether you hold the truth, and then exhort men to be ready to do without everything that frightens them in time, for the sake of holding it. Since you do not show this, because you cannot, not for lack of talent but because the cause is bad, why do you hurry by your exhortations to make men beggars, ignorant, needy, wandering, ragged, contentious, starving, and heretics, losing temporal goods in this age and finding eternal evils at the judgment of Christ? A careful son, who for fear of his father's rod draws back from the serpent's lair, is neither beaten nor perishes; but one who despises the pains of discipline in favour of his own ruinous will is both beaten and perishes. Do you not yet understand, eloquent man, that one who has lacked all earthly things for the peace of Christ has God, while one who has lost even a few coins for the party of Donatus has no heart?
1 Pet 2:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:26 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Losing wealth is praiseworthy for the truth, but not for heresy; laws that threaten heretics with loss are merciful warnings.
- 1 Pet 2:20.
Topics: Persecution, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.226 (CSEL 52:143–145; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-226). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.227CSEL 52:145
Petilianus dixit: Nos autem pauperes spiritu non diuitiis metuimus, sed diuitias formidamus. nos nihil habentes et omnia possidentes censum animam credimus nostrisque poenis et sanguine aeternas diuitias caeli mercamur, siquidem dominus dicit: qui perdiderit substantiam suam, centuplum recipiet eam.
Petilian said: “We, the poor in spirit, do not fear for riches but dread riches. We, having nothing and possessing all things, believe the soul to be our wealth, and with our punishments and blood we buy the eternal riches of heaven; since the Lord says, ‘Whoever loses his substance will receive it a hundredfold.’”
Matt 5:3 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 19:29 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Petilian claims Donatist poverty and martyrdom.
- Matt 5:3; 2 Cor 6:10; Matt 19:29 (misquoted; Augustine corrects it in 2.228).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray hyphen): pauperes s-piritu → pauperes spiritu.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.227 (CSEL 52:145; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-227). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.228CSEL 52:145–146
Augustinus respondit: Et hoc ad rem pertinet commonere quemadmodum scriptum est; nam ubi nihil impedit intentionem meam, si quid de scripturis fallis aut falleris, nihil curo. non ergo ita scriptum est: qui perdiderit substantiam suam, sed: qui perdiderit animam suam propter me. de substantia uero non scriptum est: (qui perdiderit, sed: qui dimiserit, nec solam substantiam pecuniae, sed et multa alia. tu autem interim non perdidisti substantiam. utrum uero dimiseris, quod sic de paupertate gloriaris, nescio. si forte scit hoc collega meus Fortunatus, quia in eadem ciuitate estis, numquam mihi indicauit, quia numquam quaesieram. uerumtamen etiamsi hoc fecisti, tu ipse contra te in hac ipsa tua epistula commemorasti apostolicum testimonium: si distribuero omnia mea pauperibus, et tradidero corpus meum ut ardeam, caritatem autem non habeam, nihil mihi prodest. si enim haberetis caritatem, non obiceretis ignaro et uobis incognito orbi terrarum nec ipsa saltem probata crimina Afrorum; si haberetis caritatem, non in uestris calumniis fingeretis, sed in uerbis domini manifestissime expressam usque in totam terram cognosceretis unitatem. si autem hoc non fecisti, quid gloriaris, quasi feceris? itane uero diuitias formidatis, ut nihil habentes omnia possideatis? dic ista collegae tuo Crispino, qui modo iuxta Hipponem nostram comparauit fundum, ubi mergeret homines in profundum. unde hoc et ego nimium noui; tu forte nescis et ideo securus clamas: diuitias formidamus. unde miror quod ista uox tua, ut ad nos perueniret, ipsum transiliit; inter Constantinam quippe ubi tu es et Hipponem ubi ego sum Calama ubi ille est uicinior quidem nobis, sed tamen interposita est. miror ergo quomodo non ille prior excepit hanc uocem et repercussit, ne transiret ad nos, et aduersus te diuitiarum laudes multo copiosius recitauit. non solum enim non formidat ille diuitias, sed et amat. et certe de cetero, priusquam edas, recita illi talia; si non emendauerit, respondemus, tu autem, si uerum est quod pauper sis, ibi habes fratrem meum Fortunatum: facilius inde placere poteris illi collegae meo quam huic tuo.
Augustine answered: Here too it is relevant to point out how it is written; for where nothing hinders my purpose, if you deceive or are deceived about the Scriptures, I do not care. It is not written, “Whoever loses his substance,” but, “Whoever loses his soul for my sake.” And of substance it is not written, “whoever loses,” but, “whoever leaves,” and not only the substance of money but many other things too. You, meanwhile, have not lost your substance. Whether you have left it, since you so boast of poverty, I do not know. If perhaps my colleague Fortunatus knows this, since you are in the same city, he has never told me, because I never asked. But even if you have done this, you yourself, in this very letter of yours, cited against yourself the apostolic testimony: “If I distribute all I have to the poor, and hand over my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.” For if you had love, you would not charge the world, ignorant and unknown to you, with the crimes of Africans, not even proved; if you had love, you would not invent unity in your slanders, but recognize it, expressed most plainly in the Lord's words, to the whole earth. But if you have not done this, why do you boast as if you had? Do you really so dread riches that, having nothing, you possess all things? Say this to your colleague Crispinus, who has just bought an estate near our Hippo, where he might plunge men into the deep. I know this all too well; you perhaps do not know it, and so you cry out securely, “We dread riches.” I wonder, then, that this voice of yours leaped over him to reach us; for between Constantina, where you are, and Hippo, where I am, lies Calama, where he is, nearer to us indeed, but still in between. I wonder, then, how he did not catch this voice first and throw it back so that it would not pass to us, and recite against you the praises of riches much more copiously. For he not only does not dread riches but loves them. And certainly, for the future, before you publish, recite such things to him; if he does not reform, we will answer. And you, if it is true that you are poor, have my brother Fortunatus there; you will be able to please that colleague of mine more easily from there than this one of yours.
Matt 16:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 19:29 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:10 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian misquotes Christ's promise; his boast of poverty sits ill with his colleague Crispinus of Calama, who bought an estate and rebaptized its tenants by force.
- Matt 16:25; Matt 19:29; 1 Cor 13:3; 2 Cor 6:10. On Crispinus see 2.184; Fortunatus was the Catholic bishop of Constantina (see 1.1).
Topics: Ethics, Heresy, Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.228 (CSEL 52:145–146; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-228). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.229CSEL 52:146
Petilianus dixit: Nos timore dei quo uiuimus poenas et mortes, quas gladio facitis, non timemus, sed id solum denique fugimus, quod communione nequissima animas iugulatis, domino ipso dicente: nolite timere eos qui corpus occidunt, animam enim occidere non possunt; sed timete potius eum qui habet in potestatem corpus et animam mittere in gehennam ignis.
Petilian said: “By the fear of God by which we live, we do not fear the punishments and deaths which you cause by the sword; we flee only this, in short, that you slaughter souls by a most wicked communion; as the Lord himself says: ‘Do not fear those who kill the body, for they cannot kill the soul; but fear rather him who has power to send body and soul into the Gehenna of fire.’”
Matt 10:28 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Petilian says the Donatists fear only the soul-killing communion of the Catholics.
- Matt 10:28.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (split word (OCR)): iugu latis → iugulatis.
Topics: Persecution, Martyrdom
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.229 (CSEL 52:146; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-229). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.230CSEL 52:146
Augustinus respondit: Quod dicis, uos facitis non gladio uisibili, sed illo de quo dictum est: filii hominum, dentes eorum arma et sagittae et lingua eorum gladius acutus; hoc enim gladio criminatore et calumniatore orbis incogniti imperitorum animas trucidatis. si autem communionem nequissimam accusas, ecce ore non meo sed tuo, ascendas descendas (exeas) intres uerseris tergiuerseris, talis es qualis Optatus. si autem redis ad cor et inuenies te non esse talem, non quia tecum sacramenta non communicauit, sed quia tibi displicuit, absolues orbem terrarum criminibus alienis et inuenies uos implicatos crimine schismatis.
Augustine answered: What you say, you yourselves do, not with a visible sword but with that of which it was said, “Sons of men, their teeth are weapons and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword”; for with this sword, accusing and slandering a world you do not know, you slaughter the souls of the unlearned. But if you accuse a most wicked communion, then, by your mouth, not mine, go up, go down, go out, come in, turn about, twist and turn: you are such as Optatus. But if you return to your heart and find that you are not such as he, not because he did not share the sacraments with you but because he displeased you, you will acquit the world of others' crimes and find yourselves entangled in the crime of schism.
Ps 57:4 (56:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatists kill souls with the sword of the tongue; by their own logic of contaminating communion they are like Optatus.
- Ps 57:4 (56:5 LXX). The editor's round-bracketed “exeas” is translated.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.230 (CSEL 52:146; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-230). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.231CSEL 52:146–147
Petilianus dixit: Uos ergo, qui falsissimo baptismo uultis lauari quam nasci, non solum uestra delicta non ponitis, uerum animas uestras reorum criminibus oneratis; ut enim aqua nocentium a sancto spiritu uacuata est, ita plane referta est criminibus traditorum. quicumque igitur miser ab huiusmodi baptixaris, si mendacio carere uolueras, perfunderis falsitate; si delicta carnis nolebas excludere, reorum accedente conscientia percipies et reatum; si auaritiae flammam nolebas extinguere, perfunderis fraude, perfunderis scelere, perfunderis et furore. postremo si credis, quia accipientis et dantis est fides, ab eo qui interficit hominem sanguine perfunderis fratris. ita agitur, ut qui ad baptismum innocens ueneras a baptismo redeas parricida.
Petilian said: “You, then, who would rather be washed than born by a most false baptism, not only do not lay down your offences but load your souls with the crimes of the guilty; for as the water of the guilty is emptied of the Holy Spirit, so it is plainly filled with the crimes of the traitors. So whoever you are, wretch, who are baptized by such a man: if you wished to be free of lying, you are drenched with falsehood; if you would not shut out the offences of the flesh, with the conscience of the guilty added you will receive guilt as well; if you would not quench the flame of avarice, you are drenched with fraud, drenched with crime, drenched with fury too. Finally, if you believe that faith belongs to the receiver and the giver, you are drenched with a brother's blood by the one who kills a man. So it comes about that you who came innocent to baptism return from baptism a parricide.”
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Summary: Petilian claims that those baptized by Catholics take on their baptizers' crimes.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): baptismo unltis lauari → baptismo uultis lauari.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.231 (CSEL 52:146–147; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-231). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.232CSEL 52:147–148
Augustinus respondit: Uellem cum eis sermocinari, qui uerbis istis lectis uel auditis adclamauerunt; tales enim non habent aures in corde, sed cor in auribus. legant tamen iterum et iterum et cogitent et sentiant ea non quid sonent, sed quid sapiant. primo ut hoc ultimum excutiam, ita ergo fit, inquis, ut qui ad baptismum innocens ueneras a baptismo redeas parricida. responde prius, quis ad baptismum innocens ueniat excepto illo, qui non ideo uenit baptizari, ut eius ablueretur iniquitas, sed ut nobis humilitatis praeberetur auctoritas. quid enim dimittetur innocenti? aut uero ita es eloquens, ut ostendas nobis quandam innocentiam peccatricem? nonne audis dicentem scripturam: nemo mundus a peccato in conspectu tuo, nec infans cuius est diei unius uita super terram? nam unde ad remissionem peccatorum et cum infantibus curritur? nonne audis aliam: ego in iniquitate conceptus sum? deinde si propterea redit parricida qui sine parricidio uenerat, quia eum parricida baptizat, quotquot ab Optato baptizati redierunt Optati facti sunt. ite nunc et nobis obicite, quod in uos regum iracundiam concitemus. nonne metuitis, ne a uobis tot Gildonis satellites inquirantur, quot homines ab Optato baptizari potuerunt? uidesne tandem, quemadmodum ista tua sententia sicut uesica non solum inani sono, sed etiam in capite uestro crepuerit?
Augustine answered: I would like to talk with those who applauded when these words were read or heard; for such people have not ears in their heart but their heart in their ears. Still, let them read them again and again, and think, and perceive in them not what they sound but what they mean. First, to shake out this last point: “So it comes about,” you say, “that you who came innocent to baptism return from baptism a parricide.” Answer first: who comes innocent to baptism, except him who came to be baptized not to have his iniquity washed away but to give us the authority of humility? For what will be forgiven an innocent man? Or are you so eloquent that you can show us some sinful innocence? Do you not hear Scripture saying, “No one is clean of sin in your sight, not even an infant whose life on earth is one day old”? For why do people run even with infants for the forgiveness of sins? Do you not hear another: “I was conceived in iniquity”? Next, if one who came without parricide returns a parricide because a parricide baptizes him, then all who returned baptized by Optatus became Optatuses. Go now and charge us with stirring up the anger of kings against you. Are you not afraid that as many of Gildo's henchmen may be sought among you as there were people who could be baptized by Optatus? Do you see at last how this sentence of yours has burst like a bladder, not only with an empty noise but on your own heads?
Matt 3:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Job 14:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 51:5 (50:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: No one comes innocent to baptism but Christ, even infants being baptized for forgiveness; and if baptism transferred the baptizer's crimes, all Optatus baptized would share his guilt.
- Matt 3:13–15; Job 14:4–5 (LXX/Old Latin form); Ps 51:5 (50:7 LXX). Infant baptism for the forgiveness of sins is cited as common practice.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.232 (CSEL 52:147–148; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-232). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.233CSEL 52:148
Iam cetera superiora, quae nunc refellenda proposuimus, talia sunt, ut omnino talis quisque baptizatus redire dicatur, qualis fuerit a quo baptizatur. sed absit ut, quam delirans ista dicis, tam deliri a te redeant quos baptizas. et quam belle tibi sonuit quod dixisti: perfunderis fraude, perfunderis scelere, perfunderis et furore! tu uero nisi furore non perfusus, sed repletus esses, ista non effunderes. itane. ut alia taceam, quicumque non auari ad auaros collegas tuos uel presbyteros uestros baptizandi ueniunt, auari redeunt, et quicumque sobrii ad illas uini uoragines currunt ut baptizentur, ebriosi reuertuntur? ista sentientes et ista suadentes audetis etiam tamquam aduersus nos commemorare, quod paulo ante superius posuisti: bonum est sperare in domino quam sperare in homine; bonum est sperare in domino quam sperare in principibus. quid aliud docetis, quaeso, quam non in domino sed in homine sperare, quando talem fieri dicitis baptizatum, qualis fuerit baptizator? et quia istum uobis baptizandi assumitis principatum, credant uobis homines, et qui erant in domino speraturi, sperent in principibus? immo uero non audiant uos, sed illa potius testimonia quae posuisti contra uos, et aliquid etiam terribilius, quia non solum bonum est sperare in domino quam sperare in homine, sed etiam maledictus omnis qui spem suam ponit in homine.
Now the other, earlier points which we have now proposed to refute are such as to say that every baptized person returns just such as the one by whom he is baptized. But God forbid that those whom you baptize should return as raving as you are in saying this! And how fine it sounded to you when you said, “You are drenched with fraud, drenched with crime, drenched with fury too”! You, if you were not, not drenched, but filled with fury, would not pour out these things. Is it really so, to say nothing of other things, that whoever come not greedy to be baptized by your greedy colleagues or presbyters return greedy, and whoever run sober to those whirlpools of wine to be baptized come back drunk? Thinking and urging these things, you dare even to cite, as if against us, what you set down a little earlier: “It is better to hope in the Lord than to hope in man; it is better to hope in the Lord than to hope in princes.” What else, I ask, do you teach but to hope not in the Lord but in man, when you say that the baptized becomes such as the baptizer was? And because you claim for yourselves this principate of baptizing, are men to believe you, and those who were going to hope in the Lord to hope in princes? Rather, let them not listen to you, but to those testimonies which you set down against yourselves, and something more terrible besides: that not only is it better to hope in the Lord than in man, but also, “Cursed is everyone who puts his hope in man.”
Ps 118:8 (117:8 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 118:9 (117:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 17:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian's view makes the baptized depend on the baptizer, which is to hope in man, contrary to the texts he himself quoted.
- Ps 118:8–9 (117:8–9 LXX); Jer 17:5.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.233 (CSEL 52:148; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-233). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.234CSEL 52:148–149
Petilianus dixit: Imitamini saltem prophetas, qui suas animas sacras falso baptismate decipi timuerunt. dixit namque primitus Hieremias apud impios homines aquam esse mendacem: aqua, inquit, mendax non habet fidem.
Petilian said: “At least imitate the prophets, who feared that their holy souls would be deceived by a false baptism. For Jeremiah first said that among ungodly men water is deceitful: ‘Deceitful water,’ he says, ‘has no faith.’”
Jer 15:18 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian cites Jer 15:18 on 'deceitful water'.
- Jer 15:18.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray hyphen): timue-runt → timuerunt.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.234 (CSEL 52:148–149; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-234). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.235CSEL 52:149–150
Augustinus respondit: Qui scripturarum ignarus haec audit nec te credit aut sic errantem, ut nescias quid loquaris, aut sic fallentem, ut quem fefelleris nesciat quid loquatur, putat Hieremiam prophetam, cum baptizari uellet, praecauisse, ne ab hominibus impiis baptizaretur, et sic ista dixisse. quo enim pertinet quod, antequam hoc testimonium poneres, dixisti: imitamini saltem prophetas, qui suas animas sacras falso baptismate decipi timuerunt? quasi Hieremiae temporibus quisquam sacramento baptismi ablueretur, nisi quod se ipsos illis lauacris, quae dominus redarguit, Pharisaei paene per omnia momenta tinguebant et lectos et calices et parapsides, sicut in euangelio legitur. quomodo ergo potuit Hieremias tamquam baptismum desiderans et ab impiis baptizari deuitans ista dixisse? hoc ergo dixit, cum de populo infideli quereretur, cuius pessimis moribus tribulabatur, non se commiscens factis eorum; qui tamen corporaliter non se ab illo populo segregauit nec alia sacramenta quaesiuit quam ille populus secundum legis ordinem illi tempori congrua sumebat. hunc ergo populum male uiuentem dixit plagam, qua cor iusti grauiter caedebatur, siue hoc de se ipso diceret siue in se ipso figuraret quae futura cernebat. sic enim ait: domine, memor esto mei et uisita me et innocentem me fac ab insectantibus me non in longanimitate; scito quomodo acceperim de te improperium ab his qui spernunt sermones tuos. consumma illos, et erit uerbum tuum mihi in iucunditatem et gaudium cordis mei, quoniam uocatum est nomen tuum in me, domine omnipotens. non sedi in concilio eorum ludentium, sed timebam a facie manus tuae; singulariter sedebam, quoniam amaritudine repletus sum. ut quid qui me contristant praeualent in me? plaga mea ualida est: unde sanabor? facta est mihi ut aqua mendax quae non habet fidem. in his omnibus uidetur quid propheta intellegi uoluerit, sed uidetur ab eis, qui non ad causam suam peruersam uolunt peruertere quod legunt. plagam enim suam dixit Hieremias factam sibi aquam mendacem quae non habet fidem, eos autem uoluit intellegi plagam suam, qui eum contristabant male uiuendo. unde dicit et apostolus: foris pugnae, intus timores, et iterum: quis infirmatur, et ego non infirmor? et quis scandalizatur, et ego non uror? Et quia desperabat eos posse corrigi, propterea dixit: unde sanabor, tamquam semper habiturus dolorem, quamdiu illi tales essent inter quos uiuere cogeretur. populum autem nomine aquae solere significari in Apocalypsi manifestatur, ubi aquas multas populos multos non coniectura nostra, sed illic enodata interpretatione cognoscimus. noli ergo per prauum intellectum uel potius errorem blasphemare sacramentum baptismi, etiamsi in homine perditissimo fuerit, quia nec in Simone mendace aqua mendax erat baptisma quod acceperat nec tot mendaces uestri aquam mendacem dant, cum baptizant in nomine trinitatis. nec enim tunc incipiunt esse mendaces, quando proditi atque conuicti sua facinora confitentur, sed potius tunc erant mendaces, quando, cum essent adulteri et scelerati, castos et innocentes se esse fingebant.
Augustine answered: Anyone ignorant of the Scriptures who hears this, and does not believe you either so mistaken that you do not know what you are saying, or so deceitful that whoever you deceived does not know what he is saying, thinks that the prophet Jeremiah, when he wanted to be baptized, took care not to be baptized by ungodly men, and said these words for that reason. For what is the point of what you said before setting down this testimony: “At least imitate the prophets, who feared that their holy souls would be deceived by a false baptism”? As if in Jeremiah's time anyone was washed with the sacrament of baptism; except that the Pharisees dipped themselves almost every moment in those washings which the Lord rebuked, and their couches and cups and dishes, as we read in the gospel. How, then, could Jeremiah have said this as one longing for baptism and avoiding being baptized by the ungodly? He said it when complaining of the unbelieving people, by whose very bad conduct he was troubled, not mixing himself in their deeds; yet he did not separate himself bodily from that people, nor seek other sacraments than those which that people received according to the order of the law, suited to that time. So he called this people, living badly, the wound by which the heart of the righteous man was grievously smitten, whether he said this of himself or prefigured in himself what he saw would come. For he says: “Lord, remember me and visit me, and make me innocent before those who pursue me, not in long-suffering; know how I have received reproach for your sake from those who despise your words. Make an end of them, and your word will be to me the delight and joy of my heart, for your name is called upon me, Lord Almighty. I did not sit in the council of those who make merry, but I feared before your hand; I sat alone, for I was filled with bitterness. Why do those who grieve me prevail over me? My wound is severe; how shall I be healed? It has become to me like deceitful water that has no faith.” In all this one sees what the prophet wanted to be understood; but it is seen by those who do not want to twist what they read to their own twisted cause. For Jeremiah said that his wound had become to him deceitful water that has no faith, and he wanted his wound to be understood as those who grieved him by living badly. Hence the apostle too says, “fighting without, fears within,” and again, “Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn?” And because he despaired that they could be corrected, he said, “How shall I be healed?”, as one who would always have pain as long as those among whom he was forced to live were such. That a people is usually signified by the name of water is shown in the Apocalypse, where we learn that many waters are many peoples, not by our conjecture but by the interpretation given there. So do not, by a perverse understanding or rather error, blaspheme the sacrament of baptism, even if it is in the most abandoned man; for neither in lying Simon was the baptism he had received deceitful water, nor do your many liars give deceitful water when they baptize in the name of the Trinity. For they do not begin to be liars when, exposed and convicted, they confess their crimes; rather they were liars then, when, being adulterers and criminals, they pretended to be chaste and innocent.
Jer 15:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 15:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 15:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 7:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 7:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 17:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 8:13 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Jeremiah's 'deceitful water' refers to the wicked people who wounded him, not to baptism; water signifies peoples, and Christ's baptism is true even in liars.
- Jer 15:15–18 (LXX/Old Latin wording); Mark 7:4; 2 Cor 7:5; 2 Cor 11:29; Rev 17:15; Acts 8:13.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (joined words (OCR); split word (OCR)): ac ceperim → acceperim; nonsedi → non sedi.
Topics: Baptism, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.235 (CSEL 52:149–150; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-235). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.236CSEL 52:150
Petilianus dixit: dixit quoque Dauid: oleum peccatoris non unget caput meum. quem igitur asserit peccatorem? me qui tua scelera patior, an te qui persequeris innocentem?
Petilian said: “David also said: ‘The oil of the sinner will not anoint my head.’ Whom, then, does he call a sinner? Me, who suffer your crimes, or you, who persecute the innocent?”
Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian cites Ps 141:5.
- Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX).
Topics: Baptism, Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.236 (CSEL 52:150; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-236). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.237CSEL 52:150–152
Augustinus respondit: Ex persona corporis Christi, quae est ecclesia dei uiui columna et firmamentum ueritatis, toto terrarum orbe diffusa propter euangelium, quod praedicatur, sicut dicit apostolus: in omni creatura quae sub caelo est, ex persona orbis terrae, de quo idem Dauid cuius uerba non intellegis dicit: confirmauit orbem terrae qui non commouebitur, quem tu peccatis alienis non commotum esse sed omnino perisse contendis, ex illius ergo persona respondeo: ego non persequor innocentem. Dauid autem oleum peccatoris dixit; non dixit traditoris, non (turificatoris s), non persecutoris), sed peccatoris. quid ergo facturus es secundum intellectum tuum? uide primum, utrum non sis ipse peccator. nolo mihi dicas: non sum traditor, non sum turificator, non sum persecutor. nec ego quidem, si domino placet, aliquid horum sum, nec orbis terrae qui non commouebitur. sed dic, si audes: non sum peccator. ille quippe ait: oleum peccatoris. quidquid enim in te uel leuis peccati fuerit inuentum. unde ostendis non pertinere ad id quod dictum est: oleum peccatoris? quaero enim utrum ores oratione dominica; si enim non oras ea oratione qua dominus orare discipulos docuit, unde aliam didicisti pro maioribus meritis tuis excedentem merita apostolorum? si autem sic oras, ut ille magister docere dignatus est, quomodo dicis: dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris? neque enim de illis peccatis hoc petimus, quae nobis in baptismo dimissa sunt. ergo ista uerba orationis aut non te permittunt esse dei deprecatorem aut aperiunt peccatorem. eant nunc et osculentur tibi caput qui abs te baptizati sunt, quorum capita oleo tuo perierunt. sed tu uide quid sis uel quid de te sentias. itane uero Optatus, quem pagani Iudaei christiani nostri uestri per Africam totam furem raptorem proditorem oppressorem separatorem et illius, quem quidam uestrum eius dixit comitem deum, non amicum, non clientem, sed satellitem clamant, non fuit uel qualiscumque peccator? quid ergo facient, quibus unxit capita reus criminis capitalis? nonne et ipsi uobis capita osculantur, de quorum capitibus per uestrum intellectum tam male iudicatis? saltem prodite illos et admonete ut sanentur. an uobis potius caput sanandum est ita delirantibus? quid ergo, inquies, dixit Dauid? quid me interrogas? ipsum interroga; superiore uersu tibi respondebit: emendabit, inquit, me iustus in misericordia et arguet me; oleum autem peccatoris non impinguabit caput meum. quid planius, quid apertius? malo me, inquit, misericordi obiurgatione sanari quam blanda adulatione, tamquam mihi caput ungatur, decipi atque peruerti. sub aliis uerbis ipsa sententia est alibi scripturarum: meliora sunt uulnera amici quam uoluntaria oscula inimici.
Augustine answered: In the person of the body of Christ, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth, spread through the whole world because of the gospel which is preached, as the apostle says, “in all creation under heaven”; in the person of the world, of which the same David, whose words you do not understand, says, “He has established the world, which will not be moved,” which you contend has not been moved but wholly perished through others' sins: in its person, then, I answer: I do not persecute the innocent. But David said “the oil of the sinner”; he did not say “of the traitor,” nor “of the incense-offerer,” nor “of the persecutor,” but “of the sinner.” What, then, will you do on your understanding? See first whether you are not yourself a sinner. Do not tell me, “I am not a traitor, I am not an incense-offerer, I am not a persecutor.” Neither am I, if it pleases the Lord, any of these, nor is the world, which will not be moved. But say, if you dare, “I am not a sinner.” For he says, “the oil of the sinner.” Whatever even of light sin is found in you, how do you show that you are not covered by the saying, “the oil of the sinner”? For I ask whether you pray with the Lord's Prayer. If you do not pray with the prayer by which the Lord taught the disciples to pray, where did you learn another, suited to your greater merits, surpassing the merits of the apostles? But if you pray as that Master deigned to teach, how do you say, “Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors”? For we do not ask this about the sins forgiven us in baptism. So these words of the prayer either do not allow you to be one who prays to God, or they reveal you a sinner. Let those whom you baptized now go and kiss your head, whose heads perished by your oil! But see what you are, or what you think of yourself. Was Optatus, then, whom pagans, Jews, Christians, ours, yours, throughout all Africa proclaim a thief, robber, betrayer, oppressor, separator, and the henchman (not friend, not client, but henchman) of the man whom one of you called his companion god, not even any kind of sinner? What, then, will those do whose heads were anointed by a man guilty of a capital crime? Do they not also kiss your heads, those of whose heads you judge so badly by your understanding? At least expose them and warn them to be healed. Or is it rather your head that needs healing, raving like this? “What, then,” you will say, “did David mean?” Why ask me? Ask him; he will answer you in the previous verse: “The righteous will correct me in mercy and rebuke me; but the oil of the sinner will not anoint my head.” What is plainer, what more evident? “I would rather,” he says, “be healed by merciful rebuke than be deceived and perverted by smooth flattery, as if my head were anointed.” The same thought is elsewhere in Scripture in other words: “Better are the wounds of a friend than the voluntary kisses of an enemy.”
1 Tim 3:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 93:1 (92:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 6:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 27:6 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Every minister is a sinner, as the Lord's Prayer shows; Ps 141:5 contrasts merciful rebuke with flattery, not valid and invalid anointings.
- 1 Tim 3:15; Col 1:23; Ps 93:1 (92:1 LXX); Matt 6:12; Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX); Prov 27:6. On Optatus and Gildo see 1.10.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (split word (OCR); stray mark): sed peccatoris*. → sed peccatoris.; per Afr icam → per Africam.
Topics: Baptism, Prayer, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.237 (CSEL 52:150–152; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-237). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.238CSEL 52:152
Petilianus dixit: Unguentum uero concordiae sic in fratribus laudat: ecce quam bonum et quam iucundum habitare fratres in unum. tamquam unguentum in capite, quod descendit in barbam, barbam Aaron, quod descendit in oram uestimenti eius; sicut ros Hermon, quod descendit super montes Sion. quoniam ibi mandauit dominus benedictionem et uitam usque in saeculum. sic, inquit, ungitur unitas, sicut uncti sunt sacerdotes.
Petilian said: “And he praises the ointment of concord among brothers thus: ‘See how good and how pleasant it is for brothers to dwell in unity. Like ointment on the head, which runs down on the beard, the beard of Aaron, which runs down to the collar of his garment; like the dew of Hermon, which comes down upon the mountains of Zion. For there the Lord commanded blessing and life forevermore.’ So, he says, unity is anointed, as priests were anointed.”
Ps 133:1 (132:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 133:2 (132:2 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 133:3 (132:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Petilian cites Psalm 133 on the ointment of unity.
- Ps 133 (132 LXX).
Topics: Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.238 (CSEL 52:152; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-238). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.239CSEL 52:152–155
Augustinus respondit: Uerum dicis. nam illud sacerdotium in figura corporis Christi habebat unctionem, quod unitatis compage fit saluum. nam et ipse Christus a chrismate appellatur, id est ab unctione. hunc Hebraei dicunt Messiam, quod uerbum Punicae linguae consonum est, sicut alia Hebraea permulta et paene omnia. quid est ergo in illo sacerdotio caput, quid barba, quid ora uestimenti? quantum donat dominus ut intellegam, caput est ipse saluator corporis, de quo apostolus dicit: et ipse est caput corporis ecclesiae. per barbam non incongrue fortitudo intellegitur. ergo ad eos qui sunt fortes in ecclesia eius et adhaerent ori eius, ut sine timore praedicent ueritatem, ab ipso Christo tamquam a capite sanctum descendit unguentum, id est sanctificatio spiritalis. ora uestimenti haec datur intellegi quae in capite uestimenti est, qua uestientis caput ingreditur. per hanc significantur perfecti fideles in ecclesia; in ora namque perfectio est. et utique meministi dictum esse cuidam diuiti: si uis esse perfectus, uade uende omnia quae possides et da pauperibus, et habebis thesaurum in caelis, et ueni sequere me. tristis quidem ille discessit neglector perfectionis, elector defectionis. sed numquid ideo defuerunt, in quos unitatis unguentum tali rerum terrenarum dimissione perfectos tamquam in oram uestimenti a capite descenderet? nam exceptis apostolis et qui cum eis erant praepositis atque doctoribus, quos eminentiores et fortiores in barba intellegimus, lege in Actibus apostolorum et uide, qui rerum suarum uenditarum pretia ad pedes apostolorum ponebant, et nemo dicebat aliquid proprium, sed erant eis omnia communia, et distribuebatur unicuique sicut cuique opus erat, et erat illis anima una et cor unum in deum. nempe ita scriptum esse cognoscis. agnosce ergo bonum et iucundum fratres habitantes in unum, agnosce barbam Aaron, agnosce oram uestimenti spiritalis. interroga ipsam scripturam, ubi coeperint ista fieri; inuenies in Hierusalem. de hac ora uestis per omnes gentes unitas tota contexitur. hac intrauit caput in uestem, ut indueretur Christus uarietate orbis terrarum, quia in hac ora uestimenti apparuit uarietas ipsa linguarum. cur ergo ipsi capiti, unde illud unitatis descendit unguentum, id est amoris fragrantia spiritalis, cur, inquam, ipsi capiti resistitis testanti et dicenti: praedicabitur in nomine eius paenitentia et remissio peccatorum per omnes gentes, incipientibus ab Hierusalem, et in hoc unguento sacramentum chrismatis uultis interpretari, quod quidem in genere uisibilium signaculorum sacrosanctum est sicut ipse baptismus, sed potest esse et in hominibus pessimis in operibus carnis uitam consumentibus et regnum caelorum non possessuris et ideo nec ad barbam Aaron nec ad oram uestimenti eius nec ad ullam contextionem uestis sacerdotalis pertinentibus? ubi enim positurus es quae apostolus enumerat manifesta opera carnis: quae sunt, inquit, fornicationes, immunditiae, luxuriae, idolorum seruitus, ueneficia, inimicitiae, contentiones, aemulationes, animositates, dissensiones, haereses, inuidiae, ebrietates, comesationes et his similia; quae praedico uobis sicut praedixi, quoniam qui talia agunt regnum dei non possidebunt? sequestro fornicationes, quae latenter admittuntur; immunditias interpretare ut uolueris, sequestro et ipsas; illic ponamus et ueneficia, quia nemo est palam confector datorque uenenorum; sequestro et haereses, quia hoc uultis; idolorum seruitutem nescio utrum debeam sequestrare, quandoquidem apostolus ibi ponit auaritiam quae publice insanit. his ergo sequestratis nulline apud uos luxuriosi, nulli auari, nulli pertinaciter inimicitias exercentes, nulli contentiosi, aemuli, animosi, dissensionibus studentes, inuidi, ebriosi, comesationibus uacantes? nulline apud uos tales unguntur et in his uitiis noti manifestique moriuntur? si nullos dicis, quoniam studio contentionis aperte mentiris, uide ne de talibus ipse sis. si autem ab huiusmodi remotus es non corporis separatione, sed uitae dissimilitudine, et tales turbas circum altaria uestra gemens conspicis, quid dicemus, quia oleo sancto uncti sunt et, sicut apostolus liquida ueritate confirmat, regnum dei non possidebunt? numquid barbae Aaron et orae uestimenti eius sacrilega iniuria facienda est, ut ibi eos ponendos arbitremur? absit. discerne ergo uisibile sanctum sacramentum, quod esse et in bonis et in malis potest, illis ad praemium illis ad iudicium, ab inuisibili unctione caritatis, quae propria bonorum est. discerne ista, discerne; discernat te deus a parte Donati et in catholicam reuocet, unde te illi catechumenum abreptum mortiferi honoris uinculo ligauerunt. iam ros Hermon super montes Sion quomodolibet abs te accipiatur, non estis in montibus Sion, quia non estis in ciuitate super montem constituta, quae certum signum hoc habet quod abscondi non potest. nota est ergo omnibus gentibus; pars autem Donati ignota est pluribus gentibus, non est ergo ipsa.
Augustine answered: You speak the truth. For that priesthood had its anointing as a figure of the body of Christ, which is saved by the bond of unity. For Christ himself is named from chrism, that is, from anointing. The Hebrews call him Messiah, a word that agrees with the Punic language, as do very many other Hebrew words, almost all. What, then, in that priesthood is the head, what the beard, what the collar of the garment? As far as the Lord grants me to understand, the head is the Saviour of the body himself, of whom the apostle says, “And he is the head of the body, the church.” By the beard strength is not unfittingly understood. So upon those who are strong in his church and cling to his mouth, so as to preach the truth without fear, the holy ointment runs down from Christ himself as from the head, that is, spiritual sanctification. The collar of the garment is to be understood as that which is at the top of the garment, through which the head of the wearer enters. By this are signified the perfect faithful in the church; for in the collar is completion. And surely you remember that it was said to a certain rich man, “If you wish to be perfect, go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” He indeed went away sad, neglecting perfection, choosing defection. But were there therefore lacking those on whom the ointment of unity ran down from the head as onto the collar of the garment, made perfect by such giving up of earthly things? For apart from the apostles and the leaders and teachers who were with them, whom we understand as the more eminent and stronger in the beard, read in the Acts of the Apostles and see who laid the prices of their sold goods at the apostles' feet; and no one called anything his own, but they had all things in common, and distribution was made to each as each had need, and they had one soul and one heart toward God. You know that it is written so. So recognize the brothers dwelling in unity, good and pleasant; recognize the beard of Aaron; recognize the collar of the spiritual garment. Ask Scripture itself where these things began to be done; you will find, in Jerusalem. From this collar of the garment the whole unity is woven through all nations. By this the head entered the garment, so that Christ might be clothed with the variety of the world; because in this collar of the garment appeared the very variety of tongues. Why, then, do you resist the very head from which that ointment of unity runs down, that is, the spiritual fragrance of love; why, I say, do you resist the very head that testifies and says, “Repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name through all nations, beginning from Jerusalem”? And why do you want to interpret this ointment as the sacrament of chrism, which indeed, in the class of visible seals, is most holy, like baptism itself, but can be also in the worst men, who spend their life in the works of the flesh and will not possess the kingdom of heaven, and therefore belong neither to Aaron's beard nor to the collar of his garment nor to any weaving of the priestly vestment? For where will you put what the apostle lists as the manifest works of the flesh: “which are,” he says, “sexual immorality, uncleanness, debauchery, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, heresies, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like; of which I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not possess the kingdom of God”? I set aside sexual immorality, which is committed secretly; interpret uncleanness as you will, I set that aside too; let us put sorcery there as well, since no one openly makes and gives poisons; I set aside heresies too, since you wish it; whether I should set aside idolatry I do not know, since the apostle places there the avarice that rages publicly. With these set aside, then, are there among you no debauched, no greedy, none who stubbornly carry on enmities, none contentious, jealous, angry, eager for dissensions, envious, drunk, given to carousing? Are none such anointed among you and die known and manifest in these vices? If you say none, since by your zeal for strife you lie openly, see that you are not yourself one of them. But if you are removed from such men not by bodily separation but by unlikeness of life, and with groaning you see such crowds around your altars, what shall we say, since they have been anointed with holy oil and, as the apostle confirms with clear truth, will not possess the kingdom of God? Must sacrilegious injury be done to Aaron's beard and the collar of his garment, so that we think they should be placed there? God forbid. So distinguish the visible holy sacrament, which can be both in the good and in the bad, for the one to reward, for the other to judgment, from the invisible anointing of love, which is proper to the good. Distinguish these, distinguish them; may God distinguish you from the party of Donatus and call you back into the Catholic Church, from which they snatched you as a catechumen and bound you with the chain of a deadly honour. Now, however the dew of Hermon on the mountains of Zion is taken by you, you are not on the mountains of Zion, because you are not in the city set on a mountain, which has this sure sign, that it cannot be hidden. So it is known to all nations; but the party of Donatus is unknown to most nations; so it is not that city.
Ps 133:1 (132:1 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 133:2 (132:2 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 133:3 (132:3 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 19:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 19:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 4:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 4:35 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 24:47 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:14 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The ointment of Psalm 133 is the Spirit's love flowing from Christ the head through strong teachers to the perfect, beginning at Jerusalem; the visible chrism, like baptism, can be held by the wicked, but love only by the good.
- Petilian had been a Catholic catechumen before the Donatists made him bishop. Augustine notes the similarity of Hebrew and Punic.
- Col 1:18; Matt 19:21–22; Acts 4:32–35; Luke 24:47; Gal 5:19–21; Col 3:5 (avarice as idolatry); Matt 5:14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (split word (OCR); stray numeral): con- tentiones → contentiones; uncti sunt 30 et → uncti sunt et.
Topics: Church office, Baptism, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.239 (CSEL 52:152–155; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-239). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).
2.240CSEL 52:155
Petilianus dixit: Uae igitur uobis, qui uiolando quod sanctum est rescinditis unitatem, propheta dicente: si peccauerit populus, orabit pro illo sacerdos; si autem sacerdos peccauerit, quis orabit pro eo?
Petilian said: “Woe to you, then, who by violating what is holy cut unity apart, as the prophet says: ‘If the people sin, the priest will pray for them; but if the priest sins, who will pray for him?’”
1 Sam 2:25 (quotation, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Petilian cites 1 Sam 2:25 (Old Latin) on sinning priests.
- A form of 1 Sam 2:25 (1 Kgdms 2:25 LXX), as Petilian quotes it.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (split word (OCR)): si au tem → si autem.
Topics: Church office, Prayer
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 2.240 (CSEL 52:155; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/2-240). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).