On the Incarnation of the Lord, against Nestorius 3.1–3.11
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 17 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig (CSEL 17, 1888), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 11 (1894).
Chapter 3
3.1CSEL 17:261–262
Scribens Romanis diuinus ille ecclesiarum magister cum argueret, immo defleret Iudaeorum id est fratrum suorum infidelitatem, his uerbis usus est: optabam, inquit, anathema esse ipse ego a Christo pro fratribus meis, qui sunt cognati mei secundum carnem, qui sunt Israhelitae, quorum adoptio est filiorum et gloria et testamenta et legislatio et obsequium et promissa, quorum patres, et ex quibus Christus secundum carnem, qui est super omnia deus benedictus in saecula. o affectum et fidelissimi apostoli et piissimi propinqui, qui inaestimabili caritate mori uult et pro cognatis ut proximus et pro discipulis ut magister. et quae tandem causa ei, ut mori uellet? una utique, ut illi uiuerent. uita autem eorum in quo continebatur? in hoc scilicet, ut ipse ait, ut deum Christum secundum carnem natum ex sua carne cognoscerent. et ideo utique apostolus plus dolebat, quia eum illi ex Israhel natum non intellegerent, qui ex suis editum plus amare deberent. ex quibus Christus, inquit, secundum carnem, qui est super omnia deus benedictus in saecula: eum scilicet ex illis Christum natum ait secundum carnem, qui sit super omnia deus benedictus in saecula. Christum utique secundum carnem natum ex illis non negas: sed idem, qui ex illis natus est, deus est. quid circumis? quid tergiuersaris? Christum ex Israhel natum secundum carnem deum esse apostolus dicit: tu doce quando non fuerit. ex quibus Christus, inquit, secundum carnem, qui est super omnia deus. uides, quia hoc apostolus unitate coniunxerit, separari a Christo deus omnino non potest. sicut enim ex illis Christum apostolus praedicat, ita deum in Christo esse confirmat. aut utrumque hoc neges necesse est aut utrumque fatearis. natus secundum carnem Christus ex illis dicitur, sed idem in Christo deus ab apostolo praedicatur. unde et alibi: deus enim erat in Christo mundum reconcilians sibi. diuidi hoc ab alterutro nequaquam potest. aut Christum ex illis editum denega aut ex uirgine deum in Christo editum confitere, qui est, inquit, super omnia deus benedictus in saecula.
Writing to the Romans, that divine teacher of the churches, when he was rebuking, or rather lamenting, the unbelief of the Jews, that is, of his brothers, used these words: “I could wish,” he says, “that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brothers, who are my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belong the adoption of sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the law and the worship and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed forever.” O the affection of a most faithful apostle and a most dutiful kinsman, who with inestimable love wishes to die both for his kinsmen as their neighbor and for his disciples as their teacher! And what, after all, was his reason for wishing to die? One only: that they might live. And in what did their life consist? In this, of course, as he himself says: that they should recognize as God the Christ born according to the flesh of their own flesh. And therefore the apostle grieved the more, because they did not understand the one born of Israel, whom they ought to love the more as sprung from their own. “Of whom,” he says, “is Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed forever”: he says, that is, that the Christ born of them according to the flesh is God over all, blessed forever. You do not deny that Christ was born of them according to the flesh; but the same one who was born of them is God. Why do you go around? Why do you evade? The apostle says that Christ, born of Israel according to the flesh, is God: show when he was not. “Of whom,” he says, “is Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all.” You see that, since the apostle has joined this in unity, God cannot be separated from Christ at all. For as the apostle proclaims that Christ is of them, so he affirms that God is in Christ. You must either deny both or confess both. Christ is said to have been born of them according to the flesh, but the same is proclaimed by the apostle God in Christ. Hence also elsewhere: “For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself.” This can in no way be divided one from the other. Either deny that Christ was born of them, or confess that God in Christ was born of the virgin, who, he says, “is God over all, blessed forever.”
Rom 9:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:19 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Rom 9:3–5 says that Christ, born of Israel according to the flesh, is God over all; the two cannot be separated.
- Cassian’s remarks on the unbelief of the Jews follow Paul’s lament in Rom 9 and are given as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: er for ex, lost period): fuerit er quibus → fuerit. ex quibus.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.1 (CSEL 17:261–262; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.2CSEL 17:262–263
Sufficere quidem fidelibus ad indicandum maiestatem diuinitatis nomen dei abunde potuit: sed addendo super omnia deus benedictus blasphemiam perfidae assertionis exclusit, ne quis scilicet impiorum uocabulum dei interdum etiam hominibus temporarie dono diuinae dispensationis indultum ad iniuriam summae diuinitatis assumeret et contumeliosis deo comparationibus coaptaret, sicut utique illud quod ad Moysen dicit deus: dedi te deum Pharaoni, aut illud: ego dixi: dii estis, cum utique euidentissimam indulti nominis habeat significationem. nam ubi dicit ego dixi, non tam nomen est potestatis quam sermo dicentis. sed et illud ubi dicit dedi te deum Pharaoni, non diuinitatem accipientis, sed potestatem dantis exposuit. nam cum dixerit dedi, in illo utique significata est dei potestas qui dedit, non diuinitatis natura in eo qui accepit. de deo autem ac domino nostro Iesu Christo cum dicitur qui est super omnia deus benedictus in saecula, et res statim probatur in uerbo et uerbi res demonstratur in nomine, quia dei nomen in dei filio non significatio est adoptionis indultae, sed ueritas proprietasque naturae.
The name of God alone could abundantly have sufficed for the faithful to indicate the majesty of the Godhead; but by adding “God over all, blessed,” he shut out the blasphemy of a faithless assertion, so that none of the impious might take the name of God, which is sometimes granted even to men temporarily by a gift of the divine dispensation, to the injury of the supreme Godhead and fit it to comparisons insulting to God; as, for example, what God says to Moses: “I have made you a god to Pharaoh,” or that word: “I said, You are gods,” since these plainly carry the meaning of a name granted. For where he says “I said,” it is not so much a name of power as the speech of the one speaking. And where he says “I have made you a god to Pharaoh,” it set forth not the Godhead of the receiver but the power of the giver. For since he said “I have made,” what is signified is surely the power of God who gave, not the nature of Godhead in him who received. But when it is said of our God and Lord Jesus Christ, “who is God over all, blessed forever,” the thing is at once proved in the word and the thing meant by the word is shown in the name, because the name of God in the Son of God is not the meaning of an adoption granted but the truth and property of nature.
Rom 9:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 7:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 82:6 (81:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: “God over all, blessed forever” excludes reading the title God as a borrowed name, such as was given to Moses or to the judges in Ps 82.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: e for c): eum utique euidentissimam → cum utique euidentissimam; ego diii → ego dixi.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.2 (CSEL 17:262–263; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.3CSEL 17:263–265
Itaque, idem inquit apostolus, nos ex hoc neminem nouimus secundum carnem: et si cognouimus secundum carnem Christum, sed nunc iam non nouimus. bene sibi cuncta sacri sermonis scripta conueniunt et in omni penitus sui parte, etiam ubi uerborum specie non consonant, rerum tamen uirtute concordant, sicut in hoc quod ait: et si cognouimus secundum carnem Christum, sed nunc iam non nouimus: testimonium enim dicti praesentis confirmatio superioris est quod dixit: ex quibus Christus secundum carnem, qui est super omnia deus benedictus in saecula. illic enim posuit: ex quibus Christus secundum carnem, hic autem: et si cognouimus Christum secundum carnem, illic: qui est super omnia deus, hic autem: Christum secundum carnem nunc iam non nouimus. species uerborum est alia, sed rei uirtus una. Idem enim, quem illic secundum carnem natum deum super omnia praedicat, eundem hic secundum carnem se iam non nosse confirmat, ideo scilicet, quia eundem, quem natum in carne nouerat, deum in saecula confitetur, et ideo a se eum ignorari secundum carnem, quia sit super omnia deus benedictus in saecula. ac per hoc et illud ibi: qui est super omnia deus, hoc dicit: non nouimus iam Christum secundum carnem, et hic: non nouimus iam Christum secundum carnem, hoc ait: qui est deus benedictus in saecula. ascendit ergo quodammodo quasi in altiorem gradum doctrinae apostolicae praedicatio, et licet sensu sibi in utroque conueniat, sacramentum tamen perfectae fidei quasi sententia expressiore confirmat dicens: et si cognouimus secundum carnem Christum, sed nunc iam non nouimus, uidelicet quia prius eum et hominem scimus et deum, nunc tantum deum. cessante enim infirmitate carnis nihil in eo iam nouimus nisi uirtutem diuinitatis, quia totum in eo uirtus est maiestatis diuinae, ubi esse desiit infirmitas imbecillitatis humanae. omne ergo penitus hoc testimonio mysterium et sumptae carnis et perfectae diuinitatis exposuit. dicens enim et si cognouimus Christum secundum carnem sacramentum nati in carne dei locutus est, adiciens autem nunc iam non nouimus uim depositae infirmitatis explicuit. ac per hoc cognitio illa carnis ad significationem pertinet hominis, ignoratio autem ad honorem diuinitatis. hoc est enim dicere: cognouimus Christum secundum carnem, quamdiu quod secundum carnem agnosceretur fuit: nunc iam non nouimus, postquam esse desiuit. natura enim carnis in spiritalem est translata substantiam, et illud, quod fuerat quondam hominis, factum est totum dei: et ideo non nouimus Christum secundum carnem, quia absorta per diuinam maiestatem infirmitate corporea nihil sacro resedit corpori, ex quo inbecillitas in eo carnis possit agnosci. ac per hoc, quidquid fuerat prius substantiae duplicis, factum est uirtutis unius, cum utique non sit dubium Christum, qui crucifixus est ex infirmitate nostra, totum uiuere et maiestate diuina.
“Therefore,” the same apostle says, “from now on we know no one according to the flesh; even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him so no longer.” All the writings of the holy word agree well with one another, and in every part, even where they do not sound alike in the form of the words, they still agree in the force of the things; as in this saying: “Even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him so no longer.” For the witness of the present saying confirms the earlier one, where he said: “Of whom is Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed forever.” There he put “of whom is Christ according to the flesh,” here “even if we have known Christ according to the flesh”; there “who is God over all,” here “we no longer know Christ according to the flesh.” The form of the words is different, but the force of the thing is one. For the same one whom there he proclaims, born according to the flesh, to be God over all, here he affirms that he no longer knows according to the flesh: because the same one whom he had known born in the flesh he confesses to be God forever, and therefore he does not know him according to the flesh, because he is God over all, blessed forever. And so there “who is God over all” means “we no longer know Christ according to the flesh,” and here “we no longer know Christ according to the flesh” means “who is God, blessed forever.” So the apostolic preaching climbs, as it were, to a higher step of teaching; and though it agrees with itself in sense in both places, it confirms the sacrament of perfect faith with a more express statement, saying: “Even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him so no longer”; that is, because before we knew him as both man and God, and now only as God. For since the weakness of the flesh has ceased, we now know nothing in him but the power of the Godhead, because all in him is the power of the divine majesty, where the weakness of human frailty has ceased to be. By this testimony, then, he set out the whole mystery both of the flesh assumed and of the perfect Godhead. For in saying “even if we have known Christ according to the flesh” he spoke of the sacrament of God born in the flesh; and in adding “now we know him so no longer” he explained the force of the weakness laid aside. And so that knowing of the flesh belongs to the meaning of the man, and the not knowing to the honor of the Godhead. For this is to say: we knew Christ according to the flesh as long as there was something to be known according to the flesh; now we know him so no longer, since it has ceased to be. For the nature of the flesh has been transferred into a spiritual substance, and what had once been man’s has become wholly God’s. And therefore we do not know Christ according to the flesh, because, the bodily weakness having been swallowed up by the divine majesty, nothing has remained in the holy body from which weakness of flesh could be recognized in him. And thus whatever had before been of twofold substance has become of one power, since there is surely no doubt that Christ, who was crucified out of our weakness, lives wholly by the divine majesty.
2 Cor 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:4 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: 2 Cor 5:16 agrees with Rom 9:5: Christ once known according to the flesh is now known only as God, since after the resurrection the weakness of his flesh has been swallowed up in divine majesty.
- Cassian’s statements that the flesh “has been transferred into a spiritual substance” and that what was twofold has become “of one power” are given exactly as written; they concern the risen Christ’s weakness laid aside, not a mixing of the natures (compare Leporius in 1.5). The last clause has “et maiestate diuina,” probably for “ex maiestate”; translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: m for ni; repeated word with hyphen (line-end debris); stray period): eundem- Idem enim → Idem enim; in saecula. confitetur → in saecula confitetur; ascendit orgo quodammodo «uasi → ascendit ergo quodammodo quasi; dicens eum et si → dicens enim et si; natura enim carms → natura enim carnis.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.3 (CSEL 17:263–265; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.4CSEL 17:265
Quod scilicet apostolus omni scriptorum suorum corpore praedicans bene etiam ad Galatas scribens ait: Paulus apostolus, non ab hominibus neque per hominem, sed per Iesum Christum et deum patrem. uides quam bene sibi in prioribus praesentibusque conueniat. illic enim dicit: nunc iam non nouimus Christum secundum carnem, hic ait: non ex hominibus neque per hominem, sed per Iesum Christum. patet quemadmodum etiam hic idem quod in superioribus doceat. dicens enim missum se non per hominem, hoc dicit: non nouimus Christum secundum carnem. et ideo non per hominem missus sum, sed per Christum, quia per Christum missus non per hominem missus sum, sed per deum. nomen enim in eo iam hominis non cadit, in quo totum diuinitas uindicauit. et ideo cum dixisset missum se non ab hominibus neque per hominem, sed per Iesum Christum, bene addidit et deum patrem, hoc est, missum se a deo patre et a deo filio esse designans. in quibus utique licet propter mysterium sacrae et ineffabilis generationis duplex sit persona, generantis et geniti, una tamen est uirtus mittentis dei. et ideo ille missum se a deo patre et deo filio dicens in personis quidem dualem ostendit numerum, sed in missione unam docuit potestatem.
Proclaiming this in the whole body of his writings, the apostle rightly says also, writing to the Galatians: “Paul, an apostle, not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father.” You see how well the earlier and present passages agree. There he says: “Now we no longer know Christ according to the flesh”; here he says: “Not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ.” It is plain how here too he teaches the same as above. For by saying that he was sent not through man, he says this: we do not know Christ according to the flesh. And therefore: I was sent not through man but through Christ, because being sent through Christ I was sent not through man but through God. For the name of man no longer falls on him in whom the Godhead has claimed the whole. And therefore, having said that he was sent not from men nor through man but through Jesus Christ, he rightly added “and God the Father,” that is, indicating that he was sent by God the Father and by God the Son. In them, though because of the mystery of the holy and ineffable generation there are two persons, of the one begetting and of the one begotten, there is yet one power of God who sends. And therefore, saying that he was sent by God the Father and God the Son, he showed a number of two in the persons, but taught one power in the sending.
Gal 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:16 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Gal 1:1, where Paul says he was sent not through man but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, shows Christ to be God, one in power with the Father though distinct in person.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter): sed I per Iesum → sed per Iesum.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.4 (CSEL 17:265; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-4
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.5CSEL 17:265–266
Sed per Iesum Christum et deum patrem qui suscitauit eum a mortuis. praeclarus utique et admirabilis magister, sciens dominum Iesum Christum sicut uerum deum, ita et uerum hominem praedicandum, ita semper maiestatem diuinitatis in eo praedicat, ut incarnationis confessionem penitus non relinquat, excludens utique et phantasma Marcionis incarnatione uera et paupertatem Hebionis diuinitate perfecta, ne scilicet per alterutram blasphemiae peruersitatem dominus Iesus Christus aut homo penitus sine deo aut deus sine homine credatur. bene ergo apostolus missum se sicut a deo patre, ita et a deo filio praedicans confessionem statim dominicae incarnationis adiunxit dicens: qui suscitauit eum a mortuis, uerum scilicet incarnati dei corpus suscitatum a mortuis docens iuxta illud: et si cognouimus secundum carnem Christum, bene addens: sed nunc iam non nouimus. hoc enim se in eo nosse dicit secundum carnem, quod sit a mortuis suscitatus, in eo uero se eum iam non nosse secundum carnem, quod cessante carnis fragilitate in sola eum nouerit dei esse uirtute: fidelis scilicet praedicandae dominicae diuinitatis et satis idoneus testis, qui in principio uocationis suae caelitus castigatus maiestatem suscitati a mortuis domini Iesu Christi non fide tantum animi sui crederet, sed etiam oculis corporalibus approbasset.
“But through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.” That excellent and admirable teacher, knowing that the Lord Jesus Christ must be proclaimed true man as well as true God, always proclaims the majesty of the Godhead in him in such a way as never to give up the confession of the incarnation: shutting out both the phantom of Marcion by a true incarnation and the poverty of Ebion by a perfect Godhead, so that through neither perversity of blasphemy should the Lord Jesus Christ be believed either a man entirely without God or God without man. Rightly, then, the apostle, proclaiming that he was sent by God the Son as well as by God the Father, at once added the confession of the Lord’s incarnation, saying: “who raised him from the dead,” teaching that the true body of the incarnate God was raised from the dead, according to that word: “even if we have known Christ according to the flesh,” rightly adding: “yet now we know him so no longer.” For he says that he knows him according to the flesh in this, that he was raised from the dead; but that he no longer knows him according to the flesh in this, that, the frailty of the flesh having ceased, he knows him to be only in the power of God: a faithful and well-qualified witness for proclaiming the Lord’s Godhead, who, chastened from heaven at the beginning of his calling, not only believed by the faith of his mind in the majesty of the Lord Jesus Christ risen from the dead but also proved it with his bodily eyes.
Gal 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 9:3 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: By adding “who raised him from the dead” Paul confesses Christ’s true body against Marcion as well as his Godhead against Ebion; Paul himself saw the risen Lord at his conversion.
- The heavenly chastening is Paul’s blinding on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3–9).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter): qui L suscitauit → qui suscitauit.
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.5 (CSEL 17:265–266; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.6CSEL 17:266–269
Unde etiam apud Agrippam regem et ceteros mundi iudices disserens ita ait: dum irem Damascum cum potestate et permissu principis sacerdotum, die media in uia uidi, rex, de caelo supra splendorem solis circumfulsisse me lumen et omnes qui simul mecum erant, omnesque nos cum decidissemus in terram, audiui uocem dicentem mihi Hebraica lingua: Saule Saule, quid me persequeris? durum tibi est contra stimulum calcitrare. ego autem dixi: quis es, domine? dominus autem dixit ad me: ego sum Iesus Nazarenus quem tu persequeris. uides quod eum apostolus, quem in tanto fulgore maiestatis uiderat, recte iam se secundum carnem non nosse dicebat. cum enim iubar illud diuini luminis, quod sustinere non potuit, in ipsa sui prostratione uidisset, uox haec secuta est: Saule Saule, quid me persequeris? cui quaerenti, quis esset, ita euidenti dominus personae suae significatione respondit: ego sum Iesus Nazarenus quem tu persequeris. te, te, inquam, haeretice, nunc interrogo, te appello: credis de se apostolo aut non credis? aut, si id parum aestimas, credis de se domino aut non credis? si credis, finita quaestio est. hoc enim necesse est quod nos credimus credas. nos enim iuxta apostolum et si cognouimus Christum secundum carnem, sed nunc iam non nouimus: nos Christum contumeliis non afficimus, nos carnem a deo non separamus, et totum, quod Christus est, esse in deo credimus. tu ergo si idem quod nos credimus credis, eadem necesse est fidei sacramenta fatearis. si autem a nobis dissides, si neque ecclesiis neque apostolo neque ipsi denique de se deo credis, ostende nobis, in hoc quod apostolus uidit quid sit caro et quid sit deus. ego enim hic discernere nihil ualeo. uideo ineffabilem inluminationem, uideo inexplicabilem claritatem, uideo splendorem humanae fragilitati intolerabilem et supra id quod ferre mortales oculi queunt inaestimabili maiestatem dei luce fulgentem. quae hic diuisio, quae discretio est? in uoce Iesum audimus, in maiestate deum cernimus: quid est aliud nisi ut in una eademque substantia deum et Iesum esse credamus? uolo tamen de hoc eodem adhuc aliquid apud te loqui. dic mihi, quaeso, si tibi nunc persequenti fidem catholicam id appareret quod ignoranti apostolo tunc apparuit. si te inopinantem atque securum fulgor ille circumdaret et perculsum atque perterritum splendor inmensi luminis consternaret iaceresque in tenebris oculorum atque errorum tuorum, quas tibi inmensus et ineffabilis pauor mentis augeret: dic mihi, obsecro, cum te inminentis mortis formido premeret et terror comminantis desuper maiestatis urgueret, audires quoque illud in tanta mentis confusione dignum perfidia tua nomen: Saule Saule, quid me persequeris? et quaerenti tibi, quis esset, responderetur e caelo: ego sum Iesus Nazarenus quem tu persequeris: quid diceres? nescio, non ad plenum adhuc credo: deliberare amplius mecum uolo, quem te esse existimem qui de caelo loquaris, qui me fulgore tuae diuinitatis obruis, cuius uocem audio et maiestatem ferre non possum. tractandum mihi de hoc negotio est, credendum tibi sit an non credendum, Christus sis tu an deus, si deus solus sis an in Christo, si Christus solus sis an in deo. discretionem hanc subtiliter obseruari et diligenter considerari uolo, quid credendus, quid iudicandus sis. nolo enim aliquid de officio meo perdere, ut, cum te ut hominem despiciam, aliquid tibi diuini honoris impendam. si ergo, ut Paulus tunc apostolus iacuit, prostratus humi iaceres et fulgore diuini luminis obumbratus extremos spiritus ageres, haec forsan diceres, haec otiosae loquacitatis garrulitate gannires. sed quid facimus quod aliud tunc apostolo uisum est, et cum tremens ac semianimus concidisset, dissimulandum ultra non censuit, deliberandum amplius non putauit suffecitque ei quod ineffabilibus experimentis, quem ignorans hominem esse credidit, admonitus deum esse cognouit: non dissimulauit, non distulit nec male conceptum errorem infideli amplius deliberatione suspendit, sed audito e caelis Iesu domini sui nomine subdita ut famulus, trepida ut flagellatus, deuota ut conuersus uoce respondit: quid faciam, domine? itaque paratissima ac deuotissima fide id statim meruit, ut, quem fideliter credidit, eo ipso iugiter non careret, et ad quem corde transierat, is in cor eius ipse transiret, dicente ipso de se apostolo: an experimentum quaeritis eius qui in me loquitur Christi?
Hence also, speaking before King Agrippa and the other judges of the world, he says: “As I was going to Damascus with the authority and permission of the chief priest, at midday, O king, I saw on the road a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining around me and all who were with me; and when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language: Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goad. And I said: Who are you, Lord? And the Lord said to me: I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.” You see that the apostle rightly said he no longer knew according to the flesh the one whom he had seen in such brightness of majesty. For when, in his very prostration, he had seen that radiance of divine light which he could not bear, this voice followed: “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” And when he asked who it was, the Lord answered with this plain indication of his person: “I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting.” You, you, I say, heretic, I now question, you I address: do you believe the apostle about himself or not? Or, if you think that too little, do you believe the Lord about himself or not? If you believe, the question is finished; for you must believe what we believe. For with the apostle we say, “even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him so no longer”: we do not insult Christ, we do not separate the flesh from God, and we believe that the whole of what Christ is, is in God. If, then, you believe the same as we believe, you must confess the same sacraments of faith. But if you dissent from us, if you believe neither the churches nor the apostle nor finally God himself about himself, show us, in what the apostle saw, what is flesh and what is God. For I can distinguish nothing here. I see an ineffable illumination, I see an inexpressible brightness, I see a splendor unbearable to human frailty, the majesty of God shining with an inestimable light beyond what mortal eyes can bear. What division is there here, what separation? In the voice we hear Jesus, in the majesty we see God: what does this mean but that we should believe God and Jesus to be in one and the same substance? Yet I want to say something more to you about this same thing. Tell me, I ask, if what then appeared to the apostle in his ignorance should now appear to you as you persecute the catholic faith: if that brightness surrounded you, unexpecting and secure, and the splendor of immense light struck you down, shaken and terrified, and you lay in the darkness of your eyes and of your errors, darkness that an immense and unspeakable dread of mind increased; tell me, I beg, when the fear of imminent death was pressing on you and the terror of the majesty threatening from above was bearing down, if you too heard in such confusion of mind that name, worthy of your faithlessness: “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” and when you asked who it was, the answer came from heaven: “I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting”: what would you say? “I don’t know; I don’t yet fully believe; I want to deliberate further with myself whom I should think you to be who speak from heaven, who overwhelm me with the brightness of your Godhead, whose voice I hear and whose majesty I cannot bear. I must examine this matter, whether you are to be believed or not, whether you are Christ or God, whether God alone or in Christ, whether Christ alone or in God. I want this distinction subtly observed and carefully considered, what you are to be believed, what you are to be judged. For I do not want to lose anything of my duty, so that, while I despise you as a man, I should pay you any divine honor.” If, then, you lay prostrate on the ground as Paul, then apostle, lay, and, overshadowed by the brightness of the divine light, were breathing your last, perhaps you would say these things, perhaps you would yap these things with the chatter of idle talkativeness. But what are we to make of the fact that the apostle then thought otherwise? When he had fallen trembling and half dead, he did not think he should pretend any longer, did not think he should deliberate further, and it was enough for him that, admonished by unspeakable experience, he knew to be God the one whom in his ignorance he had believed to be a man. He did not pretend, did not delay, did not keep his wrongly conceived error suspended by faithless deliberation; but having heard from heaven the name of Jesus his Lord, he answered with the voice of one submissive as a servant, trembling as one scourged, devoted as one converted: “What shall I do, Lord?” And so by his most ready and devoted faith he at once earned this, that he would never lack the one whom he faithfully believed, and that he to whom he had passed over in heart should himself pass over into his heart, as the apostle himself says of himself: “Do you seek a proof of the Christ who speaks in me?”
Acts 26:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 26:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 26:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 26:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 22:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:3 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Paul’s vision on the Damascus road, where the voice of Jesus came with the blinding majesty of God, shows that Jesus and God cannot be separated; the heretic, unlike Paul, would hesitate and deliberate.
- Cassian conflates Paul’s defense before Agrippa (Acts 26:12–15) with Acts 22:10 (“What shall I do, Lord?”).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: o for e; hyphenated word with leaked margin letter; leaked margin letter; stray hyphen; stray letter; stray period): quem B tu persequeris → quem tu persequeris; in tanto -fulgore → in tanto fulgore; sus- A tinere → sustinere; caro et t quid sit → caro et quid sit; impendam: i si ergo → impendam. si ergo; quid faciam, domino? → quid faciam, domine?; transierat., is → transierat, is.
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.6 (CSEL 17:266–269; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.7CSEL 17:269–271
Quo loco nolo, haeretice, ut mihi disseras hunc quem loqui apostolus intra se dicit, homo sit an deus. si homo, quomodo in corde eius corpus loqui poterat alterius? si deus, ergo iam non homo christus, sed deus, quia cum locutus in apostolo Christus sit et loqui in eo non potuerit nisi deus, ergo locutus in eo est Christus deus. uides itaque nihil esse hic iam quod dici queat, nec disiunctionem aut diuisionem aliquam inter Christum fieri et deum posse, quia totus in Christo deus et totus in deo Christus. nulla hic recipi disparatio potest, nulla discissio: una tantum est simplex, una tantum pia, una tantum sana confessio, adorare, amare, colere Christum deum. uis autem adhuc plenius et cumulatius scire nullam inter deum et Christum esse distantiam et eundem penitus deum intellegendum esse quem Christum? audi apostolum ad Corinthios loquentem: omnes enim nos, inquit, manifestari oportet ante tribunal Christi, ut referat unusquisque propria corporis, prout gessit, siue bonum siue malum. alia autem loco ad Romanam ecclesiam scribens omnes, inquit, adstabimus ante tribunal dei. scriptum est enim: uiuo ego, dicit dominus, quia mihi flectet omne genu, et omnis lingua confitebitur deo. uides ergo unum atque idem tribunal dei futurum esse quod Christi. intellege ergo indubitanter Christum deum, et ubi uides inseparabilem Christi ac dei esse substantiam, inseparabilem quoque agnosce esse personam: nisi forte, quia apostolus in alia nos manifestandos epistula ante tribunal Christi, in alia ante tribunal dei dixit, duo forte tribunalia facias et alios iudicandos a Christo, alios a deo censeas. sed haec friuola et furiosa sunt et insanientibus insaniora. agnosce ergo omnium dominum, agnosce uniuersitatis deum, agnosce in tribunali dei tribunal Christi, agnosce in tribunali Christi tribunal dei, ama uitam, ama salutem tuam, ama a quo creatus es, metue a quo iudicandus. uelis enim nolis, manifestandus ante tribunal Christi es et seposita impietatis blasphemia ac uerborum infidelium cantilena, si aliud putas tribunal dei esse quam Christi, uenies ante tribunal Christi et inuenies utique documento inexplicabili ipsum tribunal dei esse quod Christi totamque in filio dei Christo et filii dei maiestatem et patris dei potentiam. non enim pater iudicat quemquam, sed iudicium omne dedit filio, ut omnes honorificent filium sicut honorificant patrem. qui enim negat patrem, et filium. omnis qui negat filium, nec patrem habet: qui confitetur filium, et patrem habet. disce itaque inseparabilem esse patris ac filii honorem, inseparabilem dignitatem, neque honorari filium sine patre nec patrem posse sine filio. honorare autem deum ac dei filium nisi in Christo unigenito dei filio nullus ualet, quia spiritum ipsum utique honorandi dei nisi in spiritu Christi habere non potest, dicente apostolo: uos autem in carne non estis sed in spiritu, si tamen spiritus dei habitat in uobis. si quis autem spiritum Christi non habet, hic non est eius, et iterum: quis accusabit aduersus electos dei? deus qui iustificat. quis est qui condemnet? Christus Iesus qui mortuus est, immo qui resurrexit. uides ergo iam, etsi non uis, nullam omnino penitus uel inter spiritum dei et spiritum Christi uel inter iudicium dei et iudicium Christi esse distantiam. tu elige utrum malis: alterum enim fieri necesse est, ut aut Christum deum esse fide intellegas aut in Christo deum damnatione cognoscas.
Here, heretic, I want you to explain to me whether this one whom the apostle says spoke within him is man or God. If man, how could the body of another speak in his heart? If God, then Christ is no longer man but God; for since Christ spoke in the apostle, and none but God could speak in him, then it was Christ as God who spoke in him. So you see that nothing can now be said here, and no disjunction or division can be made between Christ and God, because God is wholly in Christ and Christ wholly in God. No separation can be admitted here, no rending; there is only one simple confession, only one pious, only one sound: to adore, to love, to worship Christ as God. But do you want to know still more fully and abundantly that there is no distance between God and Christ, and that the same one is to be understood to be God who is Christ? Hear the apostle speaking to the Corinthians: “For we must all,” he says, “be made manifest before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each may receive what belongs to the body, according to what he has done, whether good or evil.” And in another place, writing to the Roman church, he says: “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written: As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” You see, then, that the judgment seat of God will be one and the same as that of Christ. Understand, then, without doubt that Christ is God, and where you see that the substance of Christ and of God is inseparable, recognize also that the person is inseparable; unless perhaps, because the apostle said in one letter that we must be made manifest before the judgment seat of Christ and in another before the judgment seat of God, you will make two judgment seats and think that some are to be judged by Christ and others by God. But these are trifling and mad notions, madder than madmen’s. Recognize, then, the Lord of all; recognize the God of the universe; recognize in the judgment seat of God the judgment seat of Christ; recognize in the judgment seat of Christ the judgment seat of God; love life, love your salvation, love him by whom you were created, fear him by whom you will be judged. For like it or not, you must be made manifest before the judgment seat of Christ; and, setting aside the blasphemy of impiety and the singsong of faithless words, if you think the judgment seat of God is other than that of Christ, you will come before the judgment seat of Christ and you will find by an unanswerable proof that the very judgment seat of God is that of Christ, and that in Christ the Son of God is the whole majesty of the Son of God and the power of God the Father. “For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, so that all may honor the Son as they honor the Father.” For whoever denies the Father denies the Son also; “everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father; whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.” Learn, then, that the honor of the Father and the Son is inseparable, their dignity inseparable, and that the Son cannot be honored without the Father, nor the Father without the Son. But no one can honor God and the Son of God except in Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, because he cannot have the very spirit of honoring God except in the Spirit of Christ, as the apostle says: “But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.” And again: “Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is it that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died, yes, who rose again.” You see, then, even if you do not wish it, that there is no difference at all either between the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ or between the judgment of God and the judgment of Christ. Choose which you prefer, for one or the other must happen: either you will understand by faith that Christ is God, or you will come to know God in Christ by condemnation.
2 Cor 13:3 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 14:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 14:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 45:23 (quotation, medium confidence) · John 5:22 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:23 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:22 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 John 2:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:33 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:34 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Christ who spoke in Paul must be God; and since Scripture speaks interchangeably of the judgment seat of Christ and of God, and of the Spirit of God and of Christ, Christ is God.
- “For whoever denies the Father denies the Son also” is a loose form of 1 John 2:22–23; the Latin is defective (“qui enim negat patrem, et filium”) and is translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: m for in; stray hyphen and period; stray period): apost-olus intra. se → apostolus intra se; loqui m eo → loqui in eo; sana. confessio → sana confessio; lingua. confitebitur → lingua confitebitur.
Topics: Christology, Eschatology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.7 (CSEL 17:269–271; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.8CSEL 17:271–272
Sed uideamus tamen cetera quae sequuntur. scribens ad Corinthiorum ecclesiam idem de quo superius locuti sumus doctor ecclesiarum omnium Paulus ita locutus est: Iudaei, inquit, signa petunt et Graeci sapientiam quaerunt, nos autem praedicamus Christum crucifixum, Iudaeis quidem scandalum, gentibus autem stultitiam, ipsis autem qui salui fiunt Iudaeis atque Graecis, Christum dei uirtutem et dei sapientiam. o fortissimum fidei magistrum, cui docenti ecclesias parum etiam hoc loco uisum est ut christum deum esse diceret, nisi crucifixum addidisset, scilicet ut ad exertissimam et ualidissimam fidei doctrinam eundem, quem crucifixum diceret, dei sapientiam praedicaret. non ergo subtilitate aliqua aut circuitione uerborum usus est nec in praedicando domini euangelio crucis Christi nomen erubuit. et licet hoc scandalum esset Iudaeis et stultitia gentibus, deum audire natum, deum audire corporeum, deum audire passum, deum audire crucifixum, non tamen ille propter Iudaici scandali impietatem uirtutem pietatis suae eneruauit aut propter alienae stultitiae infidelitatem fidei suae robur imminuit, sed palam, constanter, fortiter eum, quem mater ediderat, homines occiderant, lancea perforarat, crux distenderat, uirtutem dei et sapientiam praedicabat, Iudaeis quidem scandalum, gentibus autem stultitiam. sed tamen hoc, quod erat aliis scandalum ac stultitia, aliis erat uirtus dei et sapientia. pro diuersitate enim personarum erat diuersitas sensuum, et quod expers sani intellectus et incapax ueri boni diffidentia insipiens denegauerat, id intra ipsos animae recessus sacrum esse ac salutiferum fides sapiens sentiebat.
But let us look at the rest that follows. Writing to the church of the Corinthians, the same Paul, teacher of all the churches, of whom we spoke above, said this: “The Jews,” he says, “ask for signs and the Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles, but to those who are being saved, Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” O most valiant teacher of the faith! As he taught the churches, even in this place it seemed too little to him to say that Christ is God unless he had added “crucified,” so that, for the most open and strong teaching of the faith, he might proclaim the same one whom he called crucified to be the wisdom of God. So he used no subtlety or circumlocution of words, nor in preaching the Lord’s gospel was he ashamed of the name of the cross of Christ. And though it was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles to hear of God born, to hear of God embodied, to hear of God suffering, to hear of God crucified, he did not, because of the impiety of the Jews’ stumbling, weaken the force of his own piety, nor, because of the unbelief of others’ foolishness, lessen the strength of his faith; but openly, steadfastly, bravely he proclaimed the one whom a mother had borne, whom men had killed, whom a lance had pierced, whom a cross had stretched out, to be the power and wisdom of God, “a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles.” Yet what was a stumbling block and foolishness to some was to others the power and wisdom of God. For with the difference of persons went a difference of understanding; and what a foolish distrust, without sound understanding and incapable of the true good, had denied, a wise faith felt within the very recesses of the soul to be holy and saving.
1 Cor 1:22 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:23 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:34 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Paul preached Christ crucified as the power and wisdom of God, unashamed that God born and crucified was a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR; stray letter): ckcuitione uerbomm → circuitione uerborum; deum audire I passum → deum audire passum.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.8 (CSEL 17:271–272; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-8
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.9CSEL 17:272–273
Dic mihi ergo, haeretice, hostis quidem omnium, sed tuus maxime, cui crux domini Iesu Christi et cum Iudaeis scandalum est et stultitia cum gentibus, qui sacramenta uerae salutis et illorum respuis scandalo et istorum non sapis stoliditate: cur Pauli apostoli praedicatio aut paganis stultitia aut Iudaeis scandalum fuit? numquid potuerat offendere homines, si Christum, ut tu asseris, solitarium esse hominem etiam ipse docuisset? cui enim natiuitas illius, cui passio, cui crux, cui peremptio incredibilis aut grauis esse potuisset? aut quid noui uel inauditi in se Pauli praedicatio habuerat, si id passum hominem Christum esse dixisset, quod passim cotidie in hominibus condicio humana toleraret? sed illud utique erat quod gentilis stultitia non recipiebat, quod Iudaica infidelitas respuebat, quod Christum utique, quem illi, ut tu, solitarium hominem arbitrabantur, apostolus deum esse dicebat. hoc erat utique quod impiorum sensus refutabat, quod perfidorum aures ferre non poterant, in homine Iesu Christo dei praedicari natiuitatem, dei asseri passionem, dei adnuntiari crucem. hoc utique erat graue, hoc incredibile, quia hoc erat incredulum humanae audientiae, quod inauditum fuerat diuinae contigisse naturae. Itaque securus es tali affirmatione atque doctrina, quod numquam praedicatio tua aut gentilibus stultitia aut Iudaeis scandalum erit: numquam tu a Iudaeis atque gentilibus aut cum Petro crucifigeris aut cum Iacobo lapidaberis aut cum Paulo capite plecteris, non enim habet praedicatio tua illorum offensionem. solitarium hominem natum, solitarium passum asseris. timere non potes, ne persecutione sua illi te laedant, cum tu eos tua praedicatione confirmes.
Tell me, then, heretic, enemy indeed of all, but chiefly of yourself, to whom the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ is both a stumbling block with the Jews and foolishness with the Gentiles, who reject the sacraments of true salvation both by the stumbling of the one and by the stupidity of the other: why was the preaching of the apostle Paul either foolishness to the pagans or a stumbling block to the Jews? Could it have offended men if he too had taught, as you assert, that Christ was a mere man? To whom could his birth, his passion, his cross, his death have been incredible or hard? Or what new or unheard-of thing would Paul’s preaching have contained if he had said that Christ was a man who suffered what the human condition endures everywhere every day among men? But this of course was what Gentile foolishness would not receive and what Jewish unbelief rejected: that the apostle said that Christ, whom they, like you, thought a mere man, was God. This of course was what the mind of the impious refused, what the ears of the faithless could not bear: that in the man Jesus Christ the birth of God was proclaimed, the passion of God asserted, the cross of God announced. This of course was hard, this incredible, because it was incredible to human hearing that something unheard of had happened to the divine nature. So you are safe with such an assertion and teaching, since your preaching will never be foolishness to the Gentiles or a stumbling block to the Jews: you will never be crucified with Peter by Jews and Gentiles, or stoned with James, or beheaded with Paul, for your preaching does not carry their offense. You assert that a mere man was born, a mere man suffered. You need not fear that they will harm you by persecution, since you confirm them by your preaching.
1 Cor 1:23 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Paul’s preaching offended Jews and Gentiles only because he proclaimed the crucified man as God; Nestorius’ teaching, offending no one, would never make him a martyr.
- The deaths of the apostles follow tradition: Peter crucified, James stoned (James the Lord’s brother, Josephus, Ant. 20.200; Eusebius, Hist. eccl. 2.23), Paul beheaded.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray comma; stray letter; stray period): omnium, sed, tuus → omnium, sed tuus; paganis stultitia. aut → paganis stultitia aut; incredulum a humanae → incredulum humanae.
Topics: Christology, Martyrdom, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.9 (CSEL 17:272–273; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.10CSEL 17:273–276
Sed uideamus tamen adhuc aliquid de hoc ipso. Christus ergo iuxta apostolum uirtus dei et sapientia dei est. quid habes quod respondeas? quid habes quo te conferas? exire hinc et progredi nusquam potes. Christus dei sapientia est et dei uirtus. ille, inquam, quem Iudaei insectati sunt, quem gentiles riserunt, quem tu cum illis ipse persequeris, ille, inquam, qui et paganis stultitia est et Iudaeis scandalum et tibi utrumque, ille, inquam, est dei uirtus et dei sapientia. quid habes quod agas? claudes forsitan aures, ne audias: hoc et Iudaei apostolo praedicante fecerunt. quodlibet facias, Christus in caelo est et in deo et cum eo atque in eo in superioribus, in quo et in inferioribus fuit. persequi eum iam cum Iudaeis non potes, sed facis tamen unum quod potes, persequeris eum in fide, persequeris in ecclesia, persequeris opinionis impiae telo, persequeris praui dogmatis gladio. plus forte aliquid quam quidam ueterum Iudaeorum facis: Christum tu nunc persequeris, postquam eum etiam illi qui persecuti fuerant crediderunt. sed minoris forsan criminis putas, quod inicere in eum iam manus non potes. non minus, inquam, non minus illi grauis illa est persecutio, in qua eum in suis impii persequuntur. sed offendit te dominicae crucis nomen: hoc et Iudaeos semper offendit. exhorrescis deum audire passum: hoc et gentilis error inrisit. quaero ergo nunc in qua ab illis parte dissideas, cum in hac tibi atque illis peruersitate conueniat. sed ego praedicationem hanc sacrae crucis, praedicationem hanc dominicae passionis non solum non inminuo, sed, quantum in uoto est ac substantia mea, augeo. hunc enim, qui crucifixus est, non solum uirtutem ac sapientiam dei, qua nihil maius est, sed etiam totius diuinitatis ac maiestatis dominum praedicabo, hoc magis, quod in hoc sermo meus doctrina dei est, dicente apostolo: sapientiam loquimur inter perfectos: sapientiam uero non huius saeculi neque principum huius saeculi, qui destruuntur, sed loquimur dei sapientiam in mysterio, quae abscondita est, quam praedestinauit deus ante saecula in gloriam nostram, quam nemo principum saeculi huius agnouit: si enim cognouissent, numquam dominum maiestatis crucifixissent, sed sicut scriptum est: quod oculus non uidit nec auris audiuit nec in cor hominis ascendit, quae praeparauit deus his qui diligunt eum. uides quam breuiter sermo apostolicus quanta dixerit. sapientiam se loqui dicit, sed sapientiam quam perfecti tantummodo sciant, prudentes saeculi nesciant. dei enim hoc ait esse sapientiam, quae sit diuino tecta mysterio et ante omnia saecula in sanctorum gloriam praedestinata, atque ideo eam his tantum qui deum sapiunt esse cognitam, principibus autem saeculi huius penitus ignotam. causam autem subdidit, qua utrumque quod dixerat conprobaret, dicens: si enim cognouissent, numquam dominum maiestatis crucifixissent. sed sicut scriptum est: quod oculus non uidit nec auris audiuit nec in cor hominis ascendit, quae praeparauit deus his qui diligunt eum. uides ergo quod sapientia dei in mysterio abscondita et ante saecula praedestinata his fuit incognita qui maiestatis dominum crucifixerunt, his autem cognita qui susceperunt. bene autem in mysterio absconditam dicit dei fuisse sapientiam, quia nullius hoc umquam hominis uel oculus uidere uel auris audire uel cor potuit cogitare, quod maiestatis dominus uel nasciturus esset ex uirgine uel uenturus in carne uel omni afficiendus poenae et contumeliae passione. sed haec utique dei dona sicut nemo est qui, cum essent abscondita in mysterio, sapere umquam per se potuerit, ita beatus est qui reuelata cognouit unde quicumque eam non agnouerunt, necesse est habeantur inter principes saeculi, qui autem cognouerunt, inter sapientes dei non agnoscit ergo deum in carne natum qui negat: ergo et uos non agnoscitis qui negatis. sed quodlibet faciatis, quamlibet impie negetis, nos plus apostolo credimus. et quid apostolo dico? plus deo credimus: ipsi enim per apostolum credimus, quem locutum in apostolo certi sumus. dominum maiestatis sermo diuinus crucifixum a principibus huius saeculi dicit, tu negas: et illi negabant se deum crucifigere qui crucifigebant. habent ergo qui confitentur cum confitente apostolo partem: habeas tu necesse est cum persequentibus portionem. quid ergo est hic iam quod dici queat? dominum maiestatis crucifixum apostolus dicit. inmuta hoc, si potes: separa nunc, si uales, Iesum a deo. crucifixum certe a Iudaeis Christum negare non potes, sed dominus maiestatis est qui crucifixus est. ergo necesse est aut Christum affixum esse in cruce deneges aut deum affixum esse fatearis.
But let us see something more about this very thing. Christ, then, according to the apostle, is the power of God and the wisdom of God. What have you to answer? Where can you turn? You can neither get out from here nor go further. Christ is the wisdom of God and the power of God. He, I say, whom the Jews hunted down, whom the Gentiles mocked, whom you yourself persecute with them; he, I say, who is foolishness to the pagans and a stumbling block to the Jews and both to you; he, I say, is the power of God and the wisdom of God. What can you do? Perhaps you will stop your ears so as not to hear: the Jews too did this when the apostle preached. Do what you will, Christ is in heaven and in God, and with him and in him in the regions above, in whom he was also in the regions below. You cannot now persecute him with the Jews; but still you do the one thing you can: you persecute him in the faith, you persecute him in the church, you persecute him with the dart of an impious opinion, you persecute him with the sword of a depraved doctrine. Perhaps you do something more than some of the old Jews: you persecute Christ now, after even those who had persecuted him came to believe. But perhaps you think it a lesser crime because you can no longer lay hands on him. No less, I say, no less grievous to him is that persecution in which the impious persecute him in his own people. But the name of the Lord’s cross offends you: this has always offended the Jews too. You shudder to hear that God suffered: this too the error of the Gentiles mocked. I ask now, then, in what part you differ from them, since you agree with them in this perversity. But I, so far from lessening this preaching of the holy cross, this preaching of the Lord’s passion, increase it as far as my wish and my means allow. For I will proclaim the one who was crucified to be not only the power and wisdom of God, than which nothing is greater, but also the Lord of the whole Godhead and majesty; all the more because in this my speech is the teaching of God, as the apostle says: “We speak wisdom among the perfect: yet a wisdom not of this world nor of the rulers of this world, who are being destroyed; but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which is hidden, which God predestined before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this world knew; for if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of majesty; but as it is written: What eye has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man, what God has prepared for those who love him.” You see how briefly the apostolic word has said great things. He says that he speaks wisdom, but a wisdom which only the perfect know and the wise of the world do not know. For he says that this is the wisdom of God, covered by a divine mystery and predestined before all ages for the glory of the saints, and therefore known only to those who savor God but wholly unknown to the rulers of this world. And he added the reason by which to prove both things he had said: “For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of majesty. But as it is written: What eye has not seen nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man, what God has prepared for those who love him.” You see, then, that the wisdom of God hidden in a mystery and predestined before the ages was unknown to those who crucified the Lord of majesty, but known to those who received him. He rightly says that the wisdom of God was hidden in a mystery, because no man’s eye could ever see, or ear hear, or heart think that the Lord of majesty would be born of a virgin, or come in the flesh, or be subjected to the suffering of every punishment and insult. But as no one could ever grasp these gifts of God by himself while they were hidden in a mystery, so blessed is he who has known them revealed; hence whoever have not recognized it must be counted among the rulers of the world, and whoever have recognized it among the wise of God. He, then, who denies God born in the flesh does not recognize him; therefore you too who deny do not recognize him. But do what you will, deny as impiously as you please, we believe the apostle more. And why do I say the apostle? We believe God more; for we believe him through the apostle, being sure that he spoke in the apostle. The divine word says that the Lord of majesty was crucified by the rulers of this world; you deny it. Those too who were crucifying him denied that they were crucifying God. So those who confess have their share with the apostle who confesses; you must have your portion with the persecutors. What more, then, can be said here? The apostle says that the Lord of majesty was crucified. Change this if you can; separate Jesus from God now, if you are able. You certainly cannot deny that Christ was crucified by the Jews; but it is the Lord of majesty who was crucified. Therefore you must either deny that Christ was fastened to the cross, or confess that God was fastened to it.
1 Cor 1:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 7:57 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 64:4 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ crucified is the power and wisdom of God and, according to 1 Cor 2:6–9, the Lord of majesty; to deny that God was crucified is to side with those who crucified him.
- Cassian’s comparisons of Nestorius with those who persecuted Christ are polemical and given as written. “By himself” renders “per se,” read for the OCR’s “per B6” (probable).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR; OCR: B6 for se (probable); OCR: h for b; OCR: u for n; stray letter; stray period): in eant iam → in eum iam; domiuicae → dominicae; in qua ah illis → in qua ab illis; ascendit, p quae → ascendit, quae; per B6 potuerit → per se potuerit; qui negat.: ergo → qui negat: ergo.
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.10 (CSEL 17:273–276; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-10
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).
3.11CSEL 17:276
Sed forte offendat te quod tamdiu unius uel maxime Pauli apostoli testimoniis loquor. satis mihi est idoneus quem elegit deus. nec enim erubesco eum fidei meae habere testem, quem uoluit deus mundi totius esse doctorem. sed tamen ut adquiescam in hoc uoluntati tuae, qui habere me forsan alios quorum utar testimoniis non arbitraris, audi perfectum humanae salutis et sempiternae beatitudinis sacramentum Martham in euangelio praedicantem. quid enim ait? utique, domine, ego credidi quia tu es Christus filius dei uiui, qui in hunc mundum uenisti. disce a muliere ueram fidem, disce aeternae spei confessionem. habes tamen grande solacium: non erubescas ab ea sacramentum salutis agnoscere, a qua testimonium deus non refutauit accipere.
But perhaps it offends you that I speak so long with the testimonies of one apostle, chiefly Paul. He whom God chose is fit enough for me. For I am not ashamed to have as witness of my faith the one whom God willed to be teacher of the whole world. Yet to fall in with your wish in this, since you perhaps think I have no others whose testimonies I can use, hear Martha in the Gospel proclaiming the perfect sacrament of human salvation and everlasting blessedness. For what does she say? “Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of the living God, who have come into this world.” Learn true faith from a woman, learn the confession of eternal hope. Yet you have great comfort: do not be ashamed to learn the sacrament of salvation from one from whom God did not refuse to receive testimony.
John 11:27 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Besides Paul, Martha confesses Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, a confession the heretic should not be ashamed to learn from a woman.
- Martha’s confession (John 11:27) is quoted with “of the living God” added, as in Matt 16:16.
Topics: Christology
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Incarn. 3.11 (CSEL 17:276; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/cassian-incarnatione/3-11
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 17, 1888); compared afterwards in full with Gibson's translation (NPNF² 11).