On the Christian Faith 4.5–4.8
Latin text: Migne, PL 16 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 10 (1896).
Chapter 4
4.5PL 16:606c–608b
Quomodo non potest Filius facere a se quidquam? Quaeramus quid sit quod facere non possit. Multæ sunt impossibilitatum differentiæ. Est aliquid natura impossibile, et est aliquid quod est possibile per naturam, impossibile per infirmitatem. Est etiam tertium quod sit possibile per corporis et animi firmitatem, impossibile per imperitiam aut impotentiam. Est etiam quod per definitionem immutabilis propositi, et constantis perseverantiam voluntatis atque amicitiæ Mem xit impossibile mutari. Sed hæc ut evidentius possimus advertere, per exempla nobis disputatio dirigatur. Impossibile est ut avis sapientiæ disciplinam aliquam assequatur aut artem: impossibile est et lapidem prodire quoquam; impossibile est enim lapidem moveri, nisi motu moveatur alterius: non potest ergo lapis per se ipsum moveri, et transire de loco. Non potest etiam aquila humanis imbui disciplinis. Habes unam speciem, cui impossibilitatis causa naturæ est. Impossibile est et debili facere opera robusti; sed huic alia impossibilitatis causa est; quod enim facere potest per naturam, per infirmitatem non potest. Causa igitur huic quoque impossibilitati infirmitas. Alia ergo impossibilitatis hæc species; quo niam a faciendi possibilitate, corporis infirmitate revocatur. Tertia quoque impossibilitatis est causa, qua etiamsi per naturam quis, et firmitatem corporis facere aliquid possit, non potest tamen facere per imperitiam vel impotentiam, ut aut indoctus, aut servus. Quas igitur harum, quas enumeravimus, im possibilitatum causas, ut quartam interim sequestremus, Filio Dei existimas convenire? Numquid insensibilis per naturam, et immobilis, sicut lapis? Lapis quidem est impiis in ruinam, fidelibus angu laris. Sed non insensibilis, supra quem sensibilium populorum fideles ædificantur affectus. Non immo bilis petra: Bibebant enim ex consequenti petra; petra autem erat Christus. Non ergo paternum opus per naturæ distantiam impossibile Christo. Numquid forte per debilitatem impossibile ei aliquid existimamus? Sed non ille debilis, qui aliorum debilitates imperiali sermone sanabat. An debilis videbatur, cum paralytico præcipiens: Tolle grabatum tuum, et ambula (Marc. II. i t), sanitatis jam mandabat officium, cum adhuc ille remedium debilitatis oraret? Num debilis Dominus virtu tum, cum illuminaret cæcos, inclinatos erigeret, mortuos suscitaret, votis nostris medicinæ præcurreret effectus, orantes curaret, et fimbriæ mundaret attactus ( Marc. VI, 56)? Nisi forte debilitatem illam, impii, putabatis, quando vulnera ridebatis. Erant quidem illa corporis vulnera, sed non erat vulneris illius ulla debilitas, ex quo omnium vita profluebat et propheta dixit: Livore ejus nos sanati sumus. An qui in vulnere debilis non erat, erat in majestate? Quo modo quæro. Cum daemoniis imperaret, et reis peccata dimitteret; an cum rogaret Patrem? Quo loco fortasse dicant: Quomodo Pater et Filius unum sunt, si Filius nunc imperat, nunc pre catur? Et unum sunt, et imperat, et precatur: sed neque cum imperat, solus; nec cum precatur, infir mus. Solus non est, quia quæcumque Pater facit, eadem similiter et Filius facit: infirmus non est, quia etsi in carne infirmatus est propter peccata no stra, tamen illud nostræ erat in eo pacis eruditio, sicut scriptum est, non suæ majestatis infirmitas. Denique ut scias quia secundum hominem ro gat, divinitate imperat, habes in Evangelio quia Petro dixit: Rogavi pro te, ut non deficiat fides tua. Eidem autem supra dicenti: Tu es Christus Fi lius Dei vivi, respondit: Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram œdificabo Ecclesiam meam; et tibi dabo cla ves regni cælorum. Ergo cui propria auctoritate regnum dabat, hujus fidem firmare non poterat; quem cum petram dicit, firmamentum Ecclesiæ indicavit? Quando igitur roget, quando imperet, considera. Rogat quando passurus ostenditur, im perat quando Filius Dei creditur. Duas igitur species impossibilitatis vacare jam cernimus, quod neque insensibilis, neque infirma potest esse Dei virtus. Numquid tertium profertis in medium, quod quasi imperitus sine magistro facere nihil possit, aut servus sine domino? Ergo mentitus es, Domine Jesu, qui te et magistrum, et dominum ipse dixisti; et fefellisti discipulos tuos, dicens: Vos vocatis me magistrum et dominum, et bene dicitis; sum etenim. Sed non falleres, veri tas, eos præsertim quos amicos vocasti. Tamen si ut imperitum te ab artifice secer nunt, viderint ut tibi, hoc est, Dei sapientiæ dicant peritiam defuisse; unitatem tamen substantiæ inter te et Patrem separare non possunt. Artificem namque ab imperito imprudentia, non natura secernit: sed non in Patre artificium, neque in te insipientia; non est enim insipiens sapientia. Ergo si neque insensibilis in Filio natura, neque debilitas, neque imperitia, neque servitus potest esse; considerent quod et per naturam et majestatem unum sit cum Patre Filius, et per operationem non discrepet a Patre virtus; cum omnia quæ Pater fece rit, eadem Filius faciat similiter: neque enim simi liter potest quisquam facere idem opus, quod alius fecerit; nisi qui et inaequalitatem non habeat opera tionis, et naturæ ejusdem habeat unitatem. Adhuc tamen requiro, quid sit quod non pos sit facere a se Filius, nisi viderit facientem Patrem; et insipienter aliqua de vilioribus exempla propono: Factus sum insipiens, vos me coegistis. Nam quid insipientius, quam de majestate Dei argumenta discutere, quœ quœstiones magis præstant, quam ædificationem Dei, quæ est in fide? Sed argumentis argumenta respondeant: illis verba, nobis charitas, quæ in Deo est, de corde puro et conscientia bona, et fide non ficta. Ergo ad infirmationem tam ineptae propositionis, non piget etiam ridicula derivare. Quomodo ergo videt Filius Patrem? Videt equus picturam, quam per naturam imitari non po test: non utique sic videt Filius. Videt parvulus viri opera majoris, sed imitari non potest: nec utique sic videt Dei Filius. Ergo si Filius per ejusdem cum Patre arcanam communionem naturæ invisibiliter et videre et facere po test, et per plenitudinem divinitatis quod voluerit exsequi: quid superest, nisi ut per unitatem inseparabilem potestatis nihil credamus Filium facere, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem; quia per incomparabilem charitatem Nihil a se facit Filius; quoniam nihil vult, quod Pater nolit? Quod utique non infirmitatis, sed unitatis est.
How is it that the Son can do nothing of himself? Let us ask what it is that he cannot do. There are many kinds of impossibility. There is something impossible by nature; and there is something that is possible by nature but impossible through weakness. There is also a third: something possible by strength of body and mind but impossible through lack of skill or of authority. There is also that which, by the determination of an unchangeable purpose and the constancy of will and friendship, cannot be changed. But so that we may observe these more clearly, let our discussion be guided by examples. It is impossible for a bird to acquire any learning or art of wisdom; it is impossible also for a stone to go anywhere; for it is impossible for a stone to be moved unless it is moved by the motion of another; a stone, then, cannot move itself and pass from its place. Nor can an eagle be trained in human learning. You have one kind, in which the cause of impossibility is nature. It is impossible also for a weak man to do the works of a strong one; but here there is another cause of impossibility; for what he can do by nature, he cannot do through weakness. The cause of this impossibility, then, is weakness. This is another kind of impossibility, since he is kept from the possibility of acting by the weakness of the body. There is also a third cause of impossibility, by which, even if someone could do something by nature and strength of body, he still cannot do it through lack of skill or of authority, as one untaught, or a slave. Which, then, of these causes of impossibility that we have listed (setting the fourth aside for the moment) do you think suits the Son of God? Is he by nature without sense and immovable, like a stone? He is indeed a stone, a ruin for the impious, a cornerstone for the faithful; but not without sense, he upon whom the affections of believing peoples, who have sense, are built. Not an immovable rock: “For they drank from the rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.” The Father’s work, then, is not impossible to Christ through difference of nature. Do we perhaps think something impossible to him through weakness? But he was not weak who healed the weaknesses of others by a word of command. Did he seem weak when he commanded the paralytic, “Take up your bed and walk,” and was already assigning him the tasks of a healthy man while the man was still praying for a remedy for his weakness? Was the Lord of hosts weak when he gave light to the blind, raised up the bent, raised the dead, when the effect of his healing ran ahead of our prayers, when he cured those who prayed and the touch of his fringe cleansed them? Unless, perhaps, impious men, you thought that was weakness when you saw his wounds. They were indeed wounds of the body, but there was no weakness in that wound from which the life of all was flowing, and the prophet said: “By his bruise we are healed.” Was he who was not weak in his wound weak in his majesty? How, I ask? When he commanded demons and forgave the guilty their sins, or when he asked the Father? Here perhaps they may say: “How are the Father and the Son one, if the Son now commands, now prays?” They are one, and he both commands and prays; but neither when he commands is he alone, nor when he prays is he weak. He is not alone, because whatever the Father does, the Son also does likewise; he is not weak, because although he was made weak in the flesh for our sins, yet that was in him the chastisement of our peace, as it is written, not a weakness of his majesty. Indeed, so that you may know that he asks as man and commands by his divinity, you have in the Gospel that he said to Peter: “I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail.” But to the same Peter, who had said above, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” he answered: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church; and I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven.” Could he, then, not strengthen the faith of one to whom he was giving a kingdom by his own authority, whom he declared the foundation of the Church when he called him rock? Consider, then, when he asks and when he commands. He asks when he is shown about to suffer; he commands when he is believed to be the Son of God. We already see, then, that two kinds of impossibility do not apply, since the power of God can be neither without sense nor weak. Do you bring forward the third, that he can do nothing without a master, as one unskilled, or without a lord, as a slave? Then you lied, Lord Jesus, when you called yourself both master and lord; and you deceived your disciples when you said, “You call me master and lord, and you say well; for so I am.” But you, the Truth, would not deceive, least of all those whom you called friends. Yet if they set you apart as unskilled from the craftsman, let them see that they are saying that skill was lacking to you, that is, to the Wisdom of God; still, they cannot separate the unity of substance between you and the Father. For it is lack of knowledge, not nature, that separates the craftsman from the unskilled; but in the Father there is no mere craftsmanship, nor in you any lack of wisdom; for Wisdom is not unwise. So if in the Son there can be neither a nature without sense, nor weakness, nor lack of skill, nor servitude, let them consider that the Son is one with the Father in both nature and majesty, and that the Power does not differ from the Father in operation, since whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise; for no one can do the same work likewise that another has done unless he has no inequality of operation and has the unity of the same nature. Still I ask what it is that the Son cannot do of himself unless he sees the Father doing it; and foolishly I put forward examples from humbler things: “I have become foolish; you compelled me.” For what is more foolish than to discuss arguments about the majesty of God, which promote questions rather than the edification of God which is in faith? But let arguments answer arguments: to them their words, to us love, which is in God, from a pure heart and a good conscience and faith unfeigned. So, to undermine so inept a proposition, I am not ashamed to draw even ridiculous examples. How, then, does the Son see the Father? A horse sees a picture, which by nature it cannot imitate: certainly the Son does not see in that way. A child sees the works of a grown man but cannot imitate them: certainly the Son of God does not see in that way either. So if the Son, through the secret communion of the same nature with the Father, can both see and act invisibly, and through the fullness of divinity carry out whatever he wills, what remains but that we believe that, through the inseparable unity of power, the Son does nothing but what he sees the Father doing; because, through incomparable love, the Son does nothing of himself, since he wills nothing that the Father does not will? And this certainly belongs not to weakness but to unity.
1 Pet 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 2:20 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 10:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 2:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 6:56 (allusion, high confidence) · Isa 53:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 22:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 13:13 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:15 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose distinguishes four kinds of impossibility (by nature, by weakness, by lack of skill or authority, and by fixed will) and shows that the first three cannot apply to Christ, so that John 5:19 expresses the unity of will and love between Father and Son.
- Quotations and allusions: 1 Pet 2:7–8 (Rom 9:33); Eph 2:20; 1 Cor 10:4; Mark 2:11; Mark 6:56; Isa 53:5 (bruise; chastisement of our peace); Luke 22:32; Matt 16:16–19; John 13:13; John 15:15; 2 Cor 12:11; 1 Tim 1:4–5; John 5:19. The Latin of the definition of the fourth kind of impossibility is damaged (Mem xit); translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips and inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; paragraph number; paragraph number and OCR slip): facere a ae quidquam → facere a se quidquam; Ext aliquid → Est aliquid; possibile pes naturam → possibile per naturam; possibile ptr corporis → possibile per corporis; impolentiam. Eat etiam → impotentiam. Est etiam; atquo amicitiæ → atque amicitiæ; nabis → nobis; sapielltiæ → sapientiæ; pisi molu → nisi motu; nature est → naturæ est; debili iacere opera robustl; sed huie alia impossibilitatis causa eat → debili facere opera robusti; sed huic alia impossibilitatis causa est; nan po test → non potest; impossibilitatis eat Musa → impossibilitatis est causa; firmitatemcorporis faoore aliquid possit i son potest tamen Facere per imperitiam vet impetentiam → firmitatem corporis facere aliquid possit, non potest tamen facere per imperitiam vel impotentiam; existimas conven? → existimas convenire?; in senbibilis ptr naturam → insensibilis per naturam; in fuinam → in ruinam; fidelos → fideles; Bibehant enim ex consequenti potra → Bibebant enim ex consequenti petra; NoA ergo patermun → Non ergo paternum; Chisto → Christo; paralytieo → paralytico; sanitans → sanitatis; iltuminareL → illuminaret; suscitaret,, → suscitaret,; cpraret → curaret; 54 Nisi forte debilitatem illam, impil → Nisi forte debilitatem illam, impii; uon erat vulneris illius ulla debintas, ex quo omnium "ita → non erat vulneris illius ulla debilitas, ex quo omnium vita; vułnere debitis non crat → vulnere debilis non erat; pecoata dimiuercL → peccata dimitteret; Quo luco → Quo loco; et precamur → et precatur; cum imperiI, solus; nec eum precatur → cum imperat, solus; nec cum precatur; Solus non cst → Solus non est; Pater tacit → Pater facit; h6. Denique → Denique; Peiro dixit → Petro dixit; ut nen deficiat → ut non deficiat; Tu ea Christus → Tu es Christus; Tu ea Petrus → Tu es Petrus; Ecclesiant → Ecclesiam; quem cnm petram dicit, bfirmamentum Eccleita → quem cum petram dicit, firmamentum Ecclesiæ; Quando igitur rogel → Quando igitur roget; FiliusDei → Filius Dei; potost → potest; qUAsi → quasi; mentitus ea, Domine → mentitus es, Domine; sum elenim → sum etenim; Tamen ei ut → Tamen si ut; hoc eat, Dei → hoc est, Dei; separare. non possunt → separare non possunt; namquo → namque; arlifieinm, neque in le insipientia; nun est → artificium, neque in te insipientia; non est; iti Filio → in Filio; imperitia,neque → imperitia, neque; mmm sit cum Patre FLlius → unum sit cum Patre Filius; virtus;cum → virtus; cum; idem epus → idem opus; nor habeat → non habeat; lacere a se → facere a se; aliqua e de vilioribus → aliqua de vilioribus; vos VIe coegistis → vos me coegistis; ædifeationem → ædificationem; iłłis verba, nobis cbaritas, a quæ → illis verba, nobis charitas, quæ; cliam ridicula derhare → etiam ridicula derivare; Patrem?VideL equus → Patrem? Videt equus; nOli ulique sic videl → non utique sic videt; VideL parvulus → Videt parvulus; imilari nou potest: nee utique → imitari non potest: nec utique; FiLius → Filius; cnm Patre arcanam commune naturæ → cum Patre arcanam communionem naturæ; nisi III per unitatem → nisi ut per unitatem; Risi quod → nisi quod; infirmila.tis → infirmitatis; debilis, 531 → debilis,; tamen a → tamen; dominum, a → dominum,; nunt, d → nunt,; natura, 532 → natura,; facientem; b → facientem;.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.5 (PL 16:606c–608b; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-5/#p-4-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.
4.6PL 16:608b–609a
Ergo nec contumax Filius, ut etiam de quarta propositione dicamus; nihil enim consiliarius Filius fecit, quod cum Patris non conveniat voluntate. De nique vidit Pater quæ fecit Filius, et probavit quia bona valde. Sic enim habes in Genesi: Et dixit Deus: Fiat lux, et facta est lux; et vidit Deus lucem, quia bona est. Numquid hic dixit Pater: Fiat talis lux, qua lem ipse feci: aut fiat lux, quæ ante non fuerat: aut Filius qualem faceret, interrogavit? Sed fecit, ut voluit, qualem Pater usque eo voluit, ut probaret. Ergo novum opus Filii est. Deinde si reprehenditur in Filio secundum in terpretationes Arianorum quia quod vident, fecit, qui utique secundum Scripturas quod non vidit, et fecit, et dedit esse quæ non erant: quid dicunt de Patre, qui quod viderat prædicavit, quasi ea quæ facienda forent, non potuerit prævidere? Similiter ergo videt Filius Patris opus, sicut Pater opus Filii: nec quasi alienum laudat, sed quasi proprium recognoscit: Quæcumque enim Pater fece rit, eadem Filius facit similiter (Joan. v, 19); ut idem opus Patris Filiique sentires. Nihil ergo facit Filius, nisi quod Pater probet, Pater laudet, Pater velit; quia ex Patre totus est: non ut creatura, quæ multa committit, dum studio lapsuque peccati, voluntatem frequenter offendit auctoris. Nihil ergo Filius facit, nisi quod placeat Patri; quia una voluntas, una sententia est, una est vera charitas, unius operationis effectus. test Filius a se facere quidquam, nisi quod viderit facientem Patrem, cum præmisisset: Quæcumque ille fecerit eadem et Filius facit similiter, subjecit: Pater enim diligit Filium. Ergo quod dixit Scriptura quia non potest, ad inseparabilis et individuæ charitatis retulit unitatem. Quod si naturaliter est, ut vere est, inseparabilis charitas; inseparabilis utique est etiam operatio naturaliter: et impossibile ut opus Filii cum Patris non conveniat voluntate; quando id quod Filius operatur, operatur et Pater: et quod Pater operatur, operatur et Filius: et quod loquitur Filius, loquitur et Pater, sicut scriptum est: Pater meus qui in me manet, ipse loquitur; et opera quæ ego facio, ipse facit. Nihil enim Pater sine virtute atque sapientia sua condidit; quia omnia in sapientia fecit, sicut scriptum est: Omnia in sapientia fecisti. Nihil etiam Deus Verbum sine Patre fecit. Non operatur sine Patre, non sine patria voluntate sacrosanctæ illi se obtulit salutaris mundi totius hostia passioni, non sine patria voluntate mor tuus suscitavit. Denique Lazarum suscitaturus levavit oculos sursum, et dixit: Pater, gratias ago tibi, quia audisti me; et ego sciebam quia semper me audis: sed propter turbam quæ circumstat, dixi; ut credant quia tu me misisti: ut quamvis ex personæ hominis incarnati suscep tione loqueretur, unitatem tamen paternae voluntatis et operationis exprimeret; quia Pater omnia audit, omnia videt quæ vult Filius. Videt ergo et Pater facientem Filium, audit volentem. Denique non roga vit, et exauditum se esse dixit. Nec existimari potest quia non audit Pater, quod velit Filius: et ut scias quia semper auditur a Patre, non quasi servus, nec quasi propheta, sed quasi Filius: Et ego, inquit, sciebam quia semper me audis: sed propter turbam quæ circumstat, dixi; ut credant quia tu me misisti. Propter hoc igitur gratias agit; ne eumdem Patrem, eumdemque Filium esse credamus, cum idem opus Patris audimus et Filii. Nam ut cognosceres non quasi infirmum gratias egisse, sed quasi Dei Filium semper sibi divinam potentiam vin dicare, clamavit: Lazare, veni foras. Imperantis utique vox ista est, non precantis.
Nor, then, is the Son contumacious, to speak also of the fourth kind; for the Son, the Counselor, did nothing that does not agree with the will of the Father. Indeed the Father saw what the Son made, and approved it, because it was very good. For so you have it in Genesis: “And God said: Let there be light, and there was light; and God saw the light, that it was good.” Did the Father say here, “Let there be such light as I myself made,” or “Let there be light, which had not been before”? Or did the Son ask what kind he should make? No; he made it as he willed, of such a kind as the Father willed so fully that he approved it. It is a new work of the Son, then. Next, if, according to the interpretations of the Arians, it is held against the Son that he did what he saw, he who according to the Scriptures did even what he had not seen and gave being to things that were not, what do they say of the Father, who praised what he had seen, as though he could not foresee the things that were to be made? Likewise, then, the Son sees the Father’s work as the Father sees the Son’s work; nor does he praise it as another’s, but recognizes it as his own: “For whatever the Father does, the Son also does likewise,” so that you may perceive that the work of the Father and of the Son is the same. The Son, then, does nothing but what the Father approves, the Father praises, the Father wills, because he is wholly from the Father; not like a creature, which commits many things and, by eagerness and the slip of sin, often offends the will of its author. The Son, then, does nothing but what pleases the Father; because there is one will, one judgment, one true love, the effect of one operation. … “The Son can do nothing of himself except what he sees the Father doing”: having first said, “Whatever he does, the Son also does likewise,” he added: “For the Father loves the Son.” So what Scripture said, that he “cannot,” it referred to the unity of an inseparable and undivided love. But if love is inseparable by nature, as it truly is, then the operation too is certainly inseparable by nature; and it is impossible that the Son’s work should not agree with the Father’s will, since what the Son works the Father also works, and what the Father works the Son also works, and what the Son speaks the Father also speaks, as it is written: “My Father, who abides in me, he speaks; and the works that I do, he does.” For the Father founded nothing without his power and wisdom, for he made all things in wisdom, as it is written: “You made all things in wisdom.” Nor did God the Word make anything without the Father. He does not work without the Father; not without the Father’s will did he offer himself to that sacred passion as the saving victim for the whole world; not without the Father’s will did he raise the dead. Indeed, when he was about to raise Lazarus, he lifted up his eyes and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me; and I knew that you always hear me; but I said it because of the crowd standing around, that they may believe that you sent me”; so that, although he spoke from his having taken on the person of the incarnate man, he nevertheless expressed the unity of the Father’s will and operation; because the Father hears all, sees all that the Son wills. The Father, then, sees the Son acting and hears him willing. Indeed he had not asked, and yet he said that he had been heard. Nor can it be thought that the Father does not hear what the Son wills; and so that you may know that he is always heard by the Father, not as a servant nor as a prophet but as Son: “And I knew,” he says, “that you always hear me; but I said it because of the crowd standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” For this reason, then, he gives thanks: so that we should not believe the Father and the Son to be the same, when we hear that the work of the Father and of the Son is the same. For so that you might know that he did not give thanks as one weak, but as the Son of God who always claims divine power for himself, he cried: “Lazarus, come out.” This is certainly the voice of one who commands, not of one who prays.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Isa 9:6 (echo, medium confidence) · Gen 1:31 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 104:24 (103:24 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:41 (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:42 (quotation, high confidence) · John 11:43 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose argues that the Son never acts against the Father’s will, as creation and the raising of Lazarus show, so that John 5:19 refers to the unity of their love and operation, not to weakness.
- The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. Some words are lost in the digital text before “The Son can do nothing of himself” (the sentence that introduced the quotation); the gap is marked “…”. Quotations and allusions: Isa 9:6 (Counselor); Gen 1:3–4, 31; John 5:19–20; John 14:10; Ps 104:24 (LXX 103:24); John 11:41–43.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; column and paragraph numbers, OCR slip and inline footnote letter; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter and OCR slip; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization): e rationibus supra memoratis; et Filium nihil facere quod non probetur r a PalTe, cum sil utriusque perfecta voluntatis alque polestatis unitas, liquido probata, nonnullas difficultates subinde sollit. → ; Filius, lit etiam → Filius, ut etiam; in Gcnesi: El dixit → in Genesi: Et dixit; vidit Dens hlcem → vidit Deus lucem; nt voluit → ut voluit; at probaret → ut probaret; in Fitio → in Filio; et feeit → et fecit; FIlius → Filius; Fini: nec quasi atiennm łaudat → Filii: nec quasi alienum laudat; facie similiter (Ioall. v, 19} → facit similiter (Joan. v, 19); Filius,. nisi → Filius, nisi; ereatura, quæ multa commillit → creatura, quæ multa committit; offendil auctoris.Nihil ergo Filius facil,nisi qnod → offendit auctoris. Nihil ergo Filius facit, nisi quod; test Filiu. a se → test Filius a se; cum.præmisisset → cum præmisisset; naturatiter → naturaliter; d Pater mens qui → Pater meus qui; sapienda → sapientia; Dens Verbum → Deus Verbum; patria votuntate → patria voluntate; sinc patria → sine patria; oculus sursum → oculos sursum; ago libi → ago tibi; tit quamvis I! ex personæ → ut quamvis ex personæ; exprimerct → exprimeret; Vidct ergo el Pater tacientem → Videt ergo et Pater facientem; lit scias → ut scias; me nudis → me audis; ut credunt quia tu → ut credant quia tu; 534 71. Propter noc igitur f gratias → Propter hoc igitur gratias; cumdem Patrem → eumdem Patrem; ntique → utique; feci: c → feci:; viderat 533 → viderat.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.6 (PL 16:608b–609a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-5/#p-4-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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4.7PL 16:609a
Sed ut ad superiora redeamus, et proposita concludamus, facit quasi Verbum Filius voluntatem Patris. Verbum hoc nostrum utique prolativum est, syllabæ sunt, sonus est; et tamen a sensu nostro, et mente non discrepat, et quæ interiori tenemus affectu, ea tamquam operantis Verbi testificatione signamus. Sed non sermo noster operatur, solum est Verbum Dei, quod nec prolativum est, nec quod ὲνδιάθετον dicunt; sed quod operatur, et vivit, et sanat. Vis scire quale Verbum? Audi dicentem: Vivum est enim Verbum Dei, et validum atque operatorium et acutum, et penetrabilius omni gladio acutissimo, penetrans usque ad divisionem animæ et spiritus, artuumque et medullarum. Verbum igitur audis Dei Filium, et a patria voluntate et potestate secernis? Audis quia vivit, audis quia sanat: noli ergo nostro comparare verbo. Si enim verbum nostrum quæ non obtutu viderit, non auditu audierit, loquitur; et loquitur tamen cognita per quædam naturæ humanæ interna mysteria: quomodo non impius, qui secundum divinitatem in Dei Verbo et obtutum quemdam corporeum exigit, et auditum: et putat quod non possit a se quidquam facere Filius, nisi quod Patrem facientem viderit; cum per unitatem, ut diximus, ejusdem substantiæ, idem velle atque idem nolle et idem posse et in Patre sit et in Filio et in Spiritu sancto? Quod si homines plerumque sensuum qualitate discreti, tamen unius propositi intentione concordant; quid de Patre nos et Dei Filio congruit æsti mare: cum id quod humana imitatur charitas, sub stantia divina possideat? Ponamus tamen, sicut ipsi volunt, quia quasi in exemplari, quod viderit Patrem facientem, Filius faciat. Et hoc utique ejusdem substantiæ est; nullus enim potest alterius imitationem operationis implere nisi qui ejusdem naturae habeat unitatem.
But to return to what came before and to conclude what we proposed: the Son, as the Word, does the will of the Father. This word of ours is certainly uttered; it is syllables, it is sound; and yet it does not differ from our sense and mind, and what we hold in our inner affection we signify as by the testimony of a word that acts. But our speech does not work; only the Word of God works, which is neither uttered nor what they call endiathetos, but which works and lives and heals. Do you want to know what kind of Word he is? Hear the one who says: “For the Word of God is living and strong and effective, and sharper and more piercing than any sharpest sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow.” You hear, then, that the Son of God is the Word, and do you separate him from the Father’s will and power? You hear that he lives, you hear that he heals: do not, then, compare him with our word. For if our word speaks of things it has not seen with sight nor heard with hearing, and yet speaks of things known through certain inner mysteries of human nature, how is he not impious who, in regard to the divinity, demands in the Word of God a kind of bodily sight and hearing, and thinks that the Son can do nothing of himself except what he has seen the Father doing; although, through the unity of the same substance, as we have said, the same willing, the same not willing, and the same power are in the Father and in the Son and in the Holy Spirit? But if men, though generally distinct in the quality of their senses, nevertheless agree in pursuing one purpose, what is it fitting for us to think of God the Father and the Son, when the divine substance possesses what human love imitates? Let us suppose, however, as they wish, that the Son does what he sees the Father doing, as from a pattern. Even this certainly belongs to the same substance; for no one can carry out the imitation of another’s operation unless he has the unity of the same nature.
Heb 4:12 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Ambrose contrasts our spoken or inward word with the living, working Word of God (Heb 4:12), who shares the Father’s will and power by unity of substance.
- Quotation: Heb 4:12. “Uttered” (prolativum) and endiathetos (“inward,” Greek ἐνδιάθετος) are terms from philosophical discussion of speech, distinguishing the spoken word from the word in the mind; Ambrose holds that the divine Word is neither.
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- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip and inline footnote letter): tacit quasi → facit quasi; syllabæ sum → syllabæ sunt; noslro, ct mente nun discrepae → nostro, et mente non discrepat; nun sermo noster → non sermo noster; Vel bum Dei, quod nec a prolativum → Verbum Dei, quod nec prolativum; sedquod → sed quod; Vi vum est enim Verbum Dd, et validum atque opemlorium → Vivum est enim Verbum Dei, et validum atque operatorium; audis Dci Filium → audis Dei Filium; quia vivit. audis → quia vivit, audis; noH ergo → noli ergo; per quiedam → per quædam; n:ysteria → mysteria; divillitatem → divinitatem; unitatem. ut diximus → unitatem, ut diximus; idcm nolle → idem nolle; Patre sil → Patre sit; quatitate → qualitate; concordam → concordant; Dei Filiocongruit → Dei Filio congruit; IItique → utique; subslanliæ → substantiæ.
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.7 (PL 16:609a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-5/#p-4-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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4.8PL 16:609a–611a
Illud ridiculum est, Imperator auguste, quod quidam hoc etiam ad inæqualitatem Dei Patris et Filii objiciendum usurpare consuerunt, quod dicant omnipotentem Patrem esse, quod gene ravit Filium: negent autem omnipotentem Filium, dicentes quia generare non potuit. Sed vide quemadmodum sæva impietas; ut dialectica philosophorum se ipsa convincat. Hac enim quæstione aut coæternum Patri Filium necesse est sua voce fateatur, aut si principium temporis Filio aliquod ascribunt, principium potentiæ necesse est tribuant etiam Patri. Ita cum omnipotentem Filium negant, incipiunt, quod nefas dictu est, asserere per Filium Patrem omnipotentem esse cœpisse. Nam si per generationem omnipotens Pater, utique aut coæternus Patri Filius est; quia si semper omnipotens Pater, sempiternus et Filius: aut si fuit, quando non erat Filius sempiternus; fuit ergo quando non erat omnipotens Pater. Nam cùm volunt dicere Filium aliquando coepisse, in illud recidunt, ut et Patris potentiam dicant non semper fuisse, sed ex Filii generatione coepisse. Ita dum Filio Dei cupiunt derogare, plus tribuunt; ut contra fas omne aucto rem paternae potentiae declarare videantur; cum Fi lius dicat: Omnia quæ Pater habet, mea sunt, hoc est, non quae Patri ipse tradiderit, sed quæ a Patre jure generationis acceperit. Et ideo Filium sempiternam dicimus esse virtutem: si ergo sempiterna ejus virtus atque divini tas, utique et potentia ejus est sempiterna. Filio igi tur qui derogat, Patri derogat, pietatem offendit, violat charitatem. Nos honorificemus Filium, in quo Pater complacet; placet enim Patri ut laudetur Filius, in quo ipse complacuit. Respondeamus tamen intentioni eorum, ne epilogo quodam invidiam quaestionis declinasse videamur. Generavit, inquiunt, Pater, non gene ravit Filius. Quod hic argumentum est inæqualitatis? Generatio enim paternae proprietatis est, non poten tiæ: et pietas æquat, non separat. Denique in ipso usu nostræ infirmitatis frequenter evenire cognoscimus, ut et infirmi filios habeant, et non habeant fortiores: habeant servi, non habeant domini: ha beant inopes, non habeant qui potentes sunt. Sed si dicunt et hoc infirmitatis esse, quia vo lunt homines filios habere; nec possunt: quamvis humana non sint conferenda divinis, intelligant ta men inter ipsos quoque homines non potentiæ esse, sed paternæ proprietatis, habere filios, vel non ha bere: nec in potestate nostræ voluntatis esse generare, sed in corporis qualitate; nam si esset potentiæ, utique potentior multos haberet. Ergo non est potentiae habere filios vel non habere. Numquid naturae est? Si naturae infirmitatem putatis, et ad humana vos confertis exempla, eadem Patris est natura quæ Filii est. Itaque aut verum Fi lium dicitis, et Patri in Filio derogatis per unitatem ejusdem naturae (sicut enim Pater natura Deus est, ita et Filius: deos autem ait Apostolus non natura deos esse, sed dici); aut si negatis esse verum Filium, hoc est, ejusdem naturæ, non est ergo generatus: si non est generatus Filius, non ge neravit Pater. Colligitur itaque juxta sententiam vestram, ut non sit omnipotens Deus Pater; quia generare non potuit, si non generavit Filium, sed creavit. Sed quia omnipotens Pater, cum juxta sententiam vestram solus generator omnipotens sit, generavit uti que Filium, non creavit. Verum ipsi magis quam vobis credendum est. Ille ait: Genui; et frequenter ait, generationis suæ testis. Non est ergo naturæ, non est potentiæ in Christo aliqua, quia non generavit, infirmitas; quia generatio, sicut saepe jam diximus, non ad sublimitatem potentiæ, sed ad proprietatem refertur naturae. Nam si ideo omnipotens Pater, quia Filium habet; omnipotentior ergo esse potuit, si plures haberet. An vero potentia ejus in una generatione defecit? At ego ostendam et Christum habere filios, quos quotidie generat, sed ea generatione, vel potius regeneratione, quae potestatis est, non naturæ; adoptio enim potestatis est, generatio proprietatis. Quod ipsa Scriptura nos docuit; dicit enim Joannes quia in hoc mundo erat, et mundus per ipsum factus est, et mundus eum non cognovit. In propria venit, et sui eum non receperunt. Quotquot autem receperunt eum, dedit illis potestatem filios Dei fieri, his qui credunt in nomine ejus. Didicimus itaque potestatis esse, quod nos filios Dei fecit: proprietatis autem generationem esse oracula divina declarant; dicit enim Sapientia Dei: Ex ore Altissimi prodivi, hoc est, non coacta, sed libera: non potestati obnoxia, sed nata generationis arcano, privilegio dominatio nis et jure potestatis. Denique de eadem Sapien tia, hoc est, de Domino Jesu, alibi Pater dicit: Ex utero ante Luciferum genui te. Quod utique ideo dixit, non ut corporalem alvum declararet, sed ut proprietatem verae generationis ostenderet. Nam si ad corporalem referas, ergo omnipotens Pater cum dolore et conceptione generavit. Sed absit, ut Deum ex infirmitate corpo ris metiamur. Est quidam uterus paternæ arcanum substantiæ, interiusque secretum, quod non Angeli, non Archangeli, non Potestates, non Dominationes, non aliqua creaturarum potuit penetrare natura. Cum Patre enim semper, et in Patre semper est Filius: cum Patre per distinctionem indissociabilem Tri nitatis æternæ, in Patre per divinæ unitatem na turæ. Quis igitur hic arbiter divinita tis, qui discutiat Patrem ac Filium: ille, quare generaverit: iste, cur non generaverit? Servulum suum aut ancillulam cur non generaverit, nemo condemnat: isti condemnant, cur non generaverit Christus; condemnant enim sua opinione, cum derogant. Nec conjugibus inter se cur non generaverint, aut charitas minuitur, aut meritum derogatur: isti quia non generavit, Christi minuunt potestatem. Cur, inquiunt, Filius Pater non est? Quia et Pater Filius non est. Cur non iste generavit? Quia nec ille generatus est. Non ideo minus habet Filius, quia Pater non est: nec Pater minus habet, quia Filius non est. Dixit enim Filius: Omnia quæ Pater habet, mea sunt. Adeo generatio in paterna proprietate non in jure est potestatis. Est quædam indistincta distinctae incomprehensibilis et inenarrabilis substantia Trinitatis. Distinctionem etenim accepimus Patris et Filii et Spiritus sancti, non confusionem: distinctionem, non separationem: distinctionem, non pluralitatem. Di vino itaque admirandoque mysterio manentem semper accipimus Patrem, semper Filium, semper Spiritum sanctum non duos Patres, non duos Filios, non duos Spiritus. Unus enim Deus Pater, ex quo om nia, et nos in ipso: et unus Dominus Jesus, per quem omnia, et nos per ipsum. Unus natus ex Patre Dominus Jesus, et ideo unigenitus. Unus et Spiritus sanctus, ut idem Apostolus dixit: Sic accipimus, sic legimus, sic tenemus. Di stinctionem scimus, secreta nescimus: causas non discutimus, sacramenta servamus. Facinus indignum, et qui generationis suæ facultatem non habent, divinæ generationis examen sibi arrogent, vindicent potestatem: Negent ergo æqualem Patri Filium, quia non genera vit Filius: negent æqualem Patri Filium, quia Patrem habet. Hoc si de hominibus dicerent, quorum aliqui volunt filios habere, nec possunt, injuriam putaremus: sic etiamsi inter duos honore pares habenti filios qui non habet, negaretur æqualis. Et idem hoc, iOtfuam, grave et de ipsis hominibus videtur, ut quis ideo minor putetur, quod Patrem habet. Nisi forte tamquam constitutum in familia petant Christum dolere, quod emancipatus a Patre non sit, et administrandi patrimonii non habeat facultatem. Sed non est Christus in sacris, qui sacra universa destruxit. Quomodo volunt tamen, respondeant, verane generatio sit, et verus Filius ex Deo Patre natus, hoc est, ex substantia Patris, an ex alia natus sub stantia? Si enim dicunt ex Patre, hoc est, ex Dei substantia, convenit; quia ex substantia Patris Filium dicunt. Ergo quia unius substantiæ, unius uti que potentiæ. Si vero ex alia substantia Filius est, quomodo omnipotens Pater est, et omnipotens Filius non est? Quid enim præstantius si ex alia substantia Filium Deus fecit, cum utique et Filius ex alia non substantia filios Dei fecerit? Ergo aut unius substan tiæ Filius cum Patre, aut unius potentiæ. Friget igitur eorum quæstio, quia de Christo judicare non possunt; immo quia vincit ille, cum judicatur. Digni tamen sunt isti judicio suo, qui hanc objiciunt quæstionem. Si enim ideo æqualis Patri Filius non est, quia non generavit Filium, et isti utique fateantur, si non habent filios, qui serunt hu jusmodi quæstiones, suos sibi etiam servulos præferendo, eo quod habentibus filios æquales esse non possunt. Qui autem habent filios, non putent sibi me ritum, sed filiorum juri deferri. Non consistit igitur hæc quæstio, quia æqualis Filius Patri ideo esse non possit, quia Pater gene raverit Filium, Filius nullum ex se ipse generaverit. Nam et fons fluvium generat, et fluvius fontem ex se ipse non generat: et lux splendorem generat, non splendor lucem; et una natura est splendoris et lucis.
It is ridiculous, august Emperor, that some are accustomed to use this too as an objection, to show the inequality of God the Father and the Son: they say that the Father is almighty because he begot a Son, but deny that the Son is almighty, saying that he could not beget. But see how savage impiety, like the dialectic of the philosophers, refutes itself. For by this question either they must confess with their own voice that the Son is coeternal with the Father, or, if they ascribe some beginning in time to the Son, they must attribute a beginning of power to the Father too. So when they deny that the Son is almighty, they begin to assert (what is wicked to say) that the Father began to be almighty through the Son. For if the Father is almighty through begetting, then either the Son is coeternal with the Father, because if the Father is always almighty, the Son too is everlasting; or, if there was a time when the Son was not everlasting, then there was a time when the Father was not almighty. For when they want to say that the Son began at some time, they fall back into this: that they say that the Father’s power too did not always exist, but began from the generation of the Son. So, while they desire to disparage the Son of God, they grant him more, so that against all right they seem to declare him the author of the Father’s power; whereas the Son says, “All that the Father has is mine,” that is, not what he himself handed over to the Father, but what he received from the Father by right of generation. And so we say that the Son is the everlasting power; if, then, his power and divinity are everlasting, his might too is certainly everlasting. He who disparages the Son, then, disparages the Father, offends piety, and violates love. Let us honor the Son, in whom the Father is well pleased; for it pleases the Father that the Son in whom he is well pleased should be praised. Yet let us answer their contention, lest we should seem to have escaped the odium of the question by a kind of epilogue. “The Father begot,” they say; “the Son did not beget.” What argument for inequality is there here? For generation belongs to the Father’s property, not to power; and natural affection makes equal, it does not separate. Indeed, in the very experience of our weakness we know that it often happens that the weak have sons and the stronger do not; slaves have them, and masters do not; the poor have them, and those who are powerful do not. But if they say that this too is weakness, because men want to have sons and cannot, then, although human things are not to be compared with divine, let them understand that even among men themselves, to have sons or not to have them is a matter not of power but of the property of fatherhood; and that it is not in the power of our will to beget, but in the condition of the body; for if it were a matter of power, the more powerful would certainly have many. So to have sons or not to have them is not a matter of power. Is it a matter of nature? If you think it a weakness of nature, and compare yourselves with human examples, the nature of the Father is the same as that of the Son. So either you call him the true Son, and then in disparaging the Son you disparage the Father through the unity of the same nature (for as the Father is God by nature, so also is the Son; but the Apostle says that the gods are not gods by nature but are so called); or, if you deny that he is the true Son, that is, of the same nature, then he was not begotten; and if the Son was not begotten, the Father did not beget. It follows, then, according to your opinion, that God the Father is not almighty, because he could not beget, if he did not beget the Son but created him. But since the Father is almighty, and according to your opinion only the begetter is almighty, he certainly begot the Son; he did not create him. But indeed he is to be believed rather than you. He says, “I have begotten,” and he says it often, the witness of his own generation. There is, then, no weakness of nature or of power in Christ because he did not beget; for generation, as we have often said, is referred not to the height of power but to the property of nature. For if the Father is almighty because he has a Son, then he could have been more almighty if he had more. Or did his power fail after one generation? But I will show that Christ too has sons, whom he begets daily, but by that generation, or rather regeneration, which belongs to power, not to nature; for adoption belongs to power, generation to property. Scripture itself has taught us this; for John says that “he was in this world, and the world was made through him, and the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own did not receive him. But as many as received him, to them he gave power to become sons of God, to those who believe in his name.” We have learned, then, that his making us sons of God belongs to his power; but the divine oracles declare that generation belongs to property; for the Wisdom of God says, “I came forth from the mouth of the Most High,” that is, not compelled but free, not subject to a power, but born in the secret of generation, with the privilege of dominion and the right of power. Indeed, of the same Wisdom, that is, of the Lord Jesus, the Father says elsewhere: “From the womb, before the morning star, I begot you.” He said this certainly not to declare a bodily womb, but to show the property of true generation. For if you refer it to a bodily womb, then the almighty Father begot with pain and conception. But far be it from us to measure God by the weakness of the body. There is a kind of womb, the secret of the Father’s substance, an inner hidden place, which neither Angels nor Archangels nor Powers nor Dominions nor any nature of creatures could penetrate. For the Son is always with the Father and always in the Father: with the Father through the undivided distinction of the eternal Trinity, in the Father through the unity of the divine nature. Who, then, is this judge of the divinity, to examine the Father and the Son, the one as to why he begot, the other as to why he did not beget? No one condemns his little slave or his maidservant for not begetting; these men condemn Christ for not begetting, for they condemn him in their opinion when they disparage him. Nor between spouses is love diminished or merit disparaged because they have not had children; these men diminish Christ’s power because he did not beget. “Why,” they say, “is the Son not Father?” Because the Father is not Son either. “Why did this one not beget?” Because that one was not begotten either. The Son does not have less because he is not Father, nor does the Father have less because he is not Son. For the Son said, “All that the Father has is mine.” So truly does generation belong to the Father’s property and not to a right of power. There is in the substance of the Trinity, incomprehensible and ineffable, a certain undivided distinction. For we have received a distinction of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, not a confusion; a distinction, not a separation; a distinction, not a plurality. By a divine and wonderful mystery, then, we receive the Father as always abiding, the Son always, the Holy Spirit always; not two Fathers, not two Sons, not two Spirits. “For there is one God the Father, from whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus, through whom are all things, and we through him.” One Lord Jesus, born of the Father, and therefore only-begotten. One also is the Holy Spirit, as the same Apostle said. So we receive, so we read, so we hold. We know the distinction; we do not know the secrets; we do not discuss the causes; we keep the mysteries. It is an unworthy thing that those who do not have the power of their own begetting should arrogate to themselves the examination of the divine generation and claim authority over it. Let them deny, then, that the Son is equal to the Father because the Son did not beget; let them deny that the Son is equal to the Father because he has a Father. If they said this of men, some of whom want to have sons and cannot, we would think it an insult; as if, even between two men equal in honor, the one who does not have sons were denied to be equal to the one who has. And the same thing seems grievous even among men, that someone should be thought lesser because he has a father. Unless perhaps they think that Christ, as one set in a household, is grieved that he has not been emancipated by his Father and does not have the power of administering the patrimony. But Christ is not bound by family rites, he who destroyed all such rites. Yet, however they wish, let them answer whether the generation is true, and whether the true Son was born of God the Father, that is, of the substance of the Father, or born of another substance. For if they say, “of the Father,” that is, of the substance of God, we agree; for they say that the Son is of the substance of the Father. So since he is of one substance, he is certainly of one power. But if the Son is of another substance, how is the Father almighty and the Son not almighty? For what is the greater excellence, if God made a Son from another substance, when the Son too made sons of God from no other substance? So the Son is of one substance with the Father, or of one power. Their question, then, is cold, because they cannot judge Christ; rather, because he prevails when he is judged. Yet these who raise this question deserve their own judgment. For if the Son is not equal to the Father because he did not beget a son, then let those who sow questions of this kind, if they do not have sons, confess that they set even their own slaves above themselves, since they cannot be equal to those who have sons. But those who have sons, let them not think that merit is assigned to themselves, but to the right of their sons. This question, then, does not stand, that the Son cannot be equal to the Father because the Father begot a Son and the Son himself begot none. For a spring begets a river, and the river does not beget a spring from itself; and light begets radiance, not radiance light; and the nature of radiance and light is one.
John 16:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 3:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 4:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:10 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:11 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 110:3 (109:3 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 12:11 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Ambrose answers the Arian claim that the Son is unequal because he did not beget a son: begetting belongs to the Father’s property, not to power or nature, and the Son, of one substance with the Father, has all that the Father has.
- Migne’s note of another chapter division has been removed. Quotations and allusions: John 16:15; Matt 3:17; Gal 4:8; Ps 2:7; John 1:10–12; Sir 24:3 (Wisdom speaking, applied to the Son); Ps 110:3 (LXX 109:3); 1 Cor 8:6; 1 Cor 12:11 (Eph 4:4). “Emancipated” and “family rites” (sacra) refer to Roman family law, under which a son remained in his father’s power until emancipated.
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- Digital text corrected (Migne's note of another chapter division and inline footnote letter; OCR slip; OCR slip and inline footnote letter; OCR slips and inline footnote letter; column number; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; paragraph number and stray mark): [Alias cap. IV.) Illud ridiculum est, b Impera tor → Illud ridiculum est, Imperator; hoc eliam → hoc etiam; potentie → potentiæ; ill illud recidunt, ut et Patris potentiam dicam non semper ruisse → in illud recidunt, ut et Patris potentiam dicant non semper fuisse; ita dum Filio Dei cupiunt dcragare → Ita dum Filio Dei cupiunt derogare; mea sunt. hoc est, nou quae → mea sunt, hoc est, non quae; virmutem → virtutem; ct putentia → et potentia; qni derogat, Patri derogat, ptetatem → qui derogat, Patri derogat, pietatem; Nus honorificemus → Nos honorificemus; Fi- Hus, in quo ipse → Filius, in quo ipse; æqllat → æquat; nostra; infirmitatis frequcnter evenire cognosci. mus → nostræ infirmitatis frequenter evenire cognoscimus; et uon habeant for tiores → et non habeant fortiores; non habeant a qui potentes → non habeant qui potentes; nou sint conferenda → non sint conferenda; potestate nostra: voluntatis esse gencrare, sed in corporis qllaliLaLe; nam si esset pOlenliae → potestate nostræ voluntatis esse generare, sed in corporis qualitate; nam si esset potentiæ; non habere, Numquid → non habere. Numquid; exempta → exempla; sicut euim → sicut enim; non cst generatus → non est generatus; lit non sit → ut non sit; pOltlil → potuit; sententiam vcstram → sententiam vestram; haheret → haberet; defecil → defecit; rcgeneratione → regeneratione; Juannes qnia → Joannes quia; factus eat, et mundus → factus est, et mundus; In proprid venit, et aui eum → In propria venit, et sui eum; ilIis → illis; gui credunt in no mine → qui credunt in nomine; nun ut corporalem → non ut corporalem; secreturo → secretum; nou Dominationes, uon aliqua → non Dominationes, non aliqua; cnm Patre per → cum Patre per; cnr non generaverit Christus → cur non generaverit Christus; Cnr non iste → Cur non iste; generatos est. Neu ideo minus habet Filius. → generatus est. Non ideo minus habet Filius,; Parer habel → Pater habet; suhstantia → substantia; Distinclionem → Distinctionem; confusionem: e distinctionem → confusionem: distinctionem; aemper accipimus → semper accipimus; uon duos Filios → non duos Filios; Spirilua. Umus enim → Spiritus. Unus enim; et idco unigenitus → et ideo unigenitus; lit idem → ut idem; aceipimus → accipimus; seimus, a secreta nescimus → scimus, secreta nescimus; sacrament senamUt → sacramenta servamus; qni generationis saæ → qui generationis suæ; potestatem:538 Ne gent → potestatem: Negent; sie etiamsi inter duM honore pares habenti filios qai pon habet → sic etiamsi inter duos honore pares habenti filios qui non habet; Et idenhoc → Et idem hoc; Hon sit → non sit; nOR habeat → non habeat; in Macris, c qui → in sacris, qui; boc est, ex substantia Patria, an es atia → hoc est, ex substantia Patris, an ex alia; ex Patrc, hec ost, ex Dei substantia, d convenit; qNia → ex Patre, hoc est, ex Dei substantia, convenit; quia; nOA est → non est; præStantius → præstantius; iecerit i Ergo → fecerit? Ergo; com Patre → cum Patre; vineit ille → vincit ille; aunt isti → sunt isti; i'atri, Filius nun est → Patri Filius non est; utiqwe → utique; si nen habent Elios → si non habent filios; prerdrendo → præferendo; possunt. autem habent → possunt. Qui autem habent; 95 Non consistit igitur hæc quæstio. → Non consistit igitur hæc quæstio,; eorum, c → eorum,; Pater, 536 → Pater,; potentiæ, b → potentiæ,; ejus. c → ejus.; quod 537 → quod; nis et d → nis et; generationis b → generationis.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 24:3 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.8 (PL 16:609a–611a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-5/#p-4-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.