On the Christian Faith 4.9–4.11
Latin text: Migne, PL 16 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 10 (1896).
Chapter 4
4.9PL 16:611a–613 d
Unde cum inæqualitatem ex generationis objecta probare non potuerint, intelligant etiam illam divulgatam suæ calumniam quæstionis explosam. Solent enim proponere: Quomodo æqualis potest esse Filius Patri? Nam si Filius est, antequam generaretur non erat: aut si erat, cur natus est? Et Arianos se negare consuerunt, qui proponunt Arii quæstiones? Itaque exigunt a nobis responsionem, ut si dixerimus: Antequam generaretur, erat, astute refe rant: Ergo antequam generaretur, creatus est, et non differt a cæteris creaturis: quia prius cœpit creatus esse quam Filius. Et adjiciunt: Cur qui erat, natus est? An quia imperfectus erat, ut postea perfectior fieret? Si autem responderimus quia non erat, objiciunt statim: Ei ergo generatio contulit ut esset, qui non erat antequam nasceretur; ut hinc colligant: Erat ergo, quando non erat Filius. Sed qui hoc proponunt, et obscuritate volunt involvere veritatem: dicant ipsi utrum temporaliter generet Pater, an intemporaliter. Si enim temporali ter dixerint, quod Filio objiciunt, Patri ascribent; ut videatur Pater cœpisse esse, quod non erat: si intemporaliter, quid superest, nisi ut ipsi solvant quam proposuerint quæstionem; ut cum generationem Patris abnuant temporalem, generationem quoque Filii temporalem non esse fateantur? Si ergo non est generatio ejus ex tempore, æstimari datur quod nihil præcesserit ante Filium, qui non sit ex tempore. Si enim aliquid ante Filium, jam non sunt in ipso creata omnia, quæ vel in cœlo sunt vel in terris, et Apostolus redarguitur, qui hoc in epistola sua scripserit: quod si nihil ante generationem, non adverto cur posterior asseratur, quem nemo præcessit. Connectenda est alia eorum plena impietatis objectio, quæ latentem habeat dolum, quo sensus facilium, mentesque perstringat. Interrogant enim utrum omne quod finem habet, aliquando cœperit. Et si acceperint ejusmodi responsionem, quia quod finem habet, caepit aliquando; referunt, utrum Pater desierit generare Filium. Quod cum tenuerint, no stro aspirante consensu, contexunt: Cœpit ergo ge neratio. Id si non abnuas, consequi videtur, ut si cœpit generatio, videtur in eo coepta, qui natus est; ut natus esse dicatur, qui ante non fuerat, unde definiant: Aliquando ergo Filius non fuit. Adjiciunt alias ineptias loquacitatis suæ, di centes: Si Verbum Patris Filius est, et ideo genitus dicitur, quia Verbum est: quod autem Verbum est, opus non est: multifariam locutus est Pater (Hebr. I, 1); multos ergo generavit filios, si non operatus est, sed locutus est Verbum. Amentes homines! quasi non intelligant, quid intersit inter prolativum sermonem, et in æternum permanens Dei Verbum ex Patre natum: natum utique, non prolatum: in quo non composita syllaba, sed plenitudo divinitatis æternæ est, et vita sine fine. Subtexunt aliam impietatem, proponentes utrum volens, an invitus generaverit Pater; ut si dixerimus volentem, antiquiorem generatione volun tatem videamur fateri, et referant quia uon sit Filius coæternus Patri, quem aliquid antecessit: aut quia et ipse sit creatura; quia scriptum est: Omnia quæ voluit, fecit (Psal. CXIII, 11); cum boc ipsum non de Patre et Filio, sed de his quas Filius fecit, dictum sit creaturis. Sin autem invitum Patrem generasse responderimus, invalidum Patrem dixisse videamur. Sed mihi in sempiterna generatione præcedit, nec velle, nec nolle: ergo nec invitum dixerim, nec volentem; quia generatio non in voluntatis pos sibilitate est, sed in jure quodam et proprietate Paterni videtur esse. secreti. Nam sicut bonus Pater non aut ex voluntate est, aut necessitate, sed super utrumque, hoc est, natura; ita non generat ex voluntate aut necessitate Pater. Esto tamen, sit generatio in voluntate gene rantis, quando hanc voluntatem fuisse dicunt? Si in principio, in principio utique Filius: si sempiterna voluntas, sempiternus et Filius: si cœpit voluntas, displicuit igitur sibi quod erat Deus Pater, ut mutaret statum. Displicuit ergo sibi sine Filio, placere cœpit sibi in Filio. Jam illa consequentia ut dicamus: Si studium generandi nostro more assumpsit, ergo et cætera quæ generationem præcedere solent, nostro more assum psit; nostro autem usu generationis votum est, non voluntas. Produnt igitur impietatem suam, qui volunt generationem cœpisse Christi; ut videatur non gene ratio illa Verbi manentis, sed prolatio fluentis esse sermonis: deinde multos inducendo filios, negent in Christo divinae proprietatem naturæ; ut nec unigenitus, nec primogenitus æstimetur: postremo ut si principium credatur accepisse, etiam finem videatur habiturus. Sed neque principium assumpsit aliquando Dei Filius, qui erat in principio (Joan. I, t): ne que finem habebit, qui est principium universitatis et finis. Nam cum sit principium, quomodo quod habebat, accepit? aut quomodo sui finem habebit; cum omnium ipse sit finis, ut in illo sine fine fixi maneamus? Dei enim generatio cum temporalis non sit, nec ante se, nec in se tempus invenit. Frigida igitur eorum et vana quæstio in creaturis ipsis non habet locum; ipsa etenim quæ tempo ralia sunt, discretionem in quibusdam habere temporis non videntur. Lux nempe splendorem generat, nec comprehendi potest quod splendor luce po sterior sit, aut lux splendore antiquior; quia ubi lu men est, splendor est: et ubi splendor, etiam lumen est. Itaque nec sine splendore lumen, nec splendor potest esse sine lumine; quia et in splendore lumen, et splendor in lumine est. Unde et Aposto lus splendorem paternæ gloriæ Filium dixit; quia splendor paternae lucis est Filius: coæternus, propter virtutis æternitatem: inseparabilis, propter claritudinis unitatem. Ergo si temporalia et aerea hæc comprehen dere et separare non possumus, quæ videmus; Deum quem non videmus, qui super omnem est creaturam, in ipso suæ generationis arcano possumus comprehendere? Possumus eum a Filio tempore separare, cum omne tempus opus Filii sit? Desinant ergo dicere: Et antequam generaretur, non erat. Ante enim temporis est, generatio ante tempora; et ideo quod posterius est, prius non est: nec opus ante auctorem potest esse; cum opera ipsa principium de operatore suo sumant. Nam quo modo ante operatorem suum usus operis æstimetur; cum omne tempus opus sit, et omne opus de operatore suo ut esset, accepit? Experiri igitur adhuc istos volo, qui sibi videntur astuti; ut de nostris respondeant, qui calumniantur divinis, longeque refugiunt ab inscrutabili supernæ generationis arcano: quæstionem suam hu manæ astruant generationis exemplo. De Filio Dei dicunt quia antequam generaretur non erat, hoc est, de Dei sapientia, de virtute Dei, de Dei Verbo, cujus generatio nihil ante se novit. Quod si aliquando, ut volunt, non fuit (quod nefas dictu est), non fuit ergo in Deo perfectionis aliquando plenitudo divinæ, si postea processum generationis accepit. Tamen ut sciant quam vana sit et solubilis eorum quæstio; licet nihil in eo humanis divinisve commune, tamen docebo homines, antequam nascerentur, fuisse. Aut negent Jacob sanctum fuisse, priusquam nasceretur, qui fratrem supplantavit in materni adhuc uteri positus arcano: negent Hieremiam antequam nasceretur, fuisse, cui dicitur: Priusquam te formarem in utero matris tuæ, novi te: et priusquam exires de vulva, sanctificavi te, et prophetam in gentibus posui te, Quid hoc evidentius tanti exemplo prophetæ, qui sanctificatus est, antequam natus, et antequam formaretur est cognitus? Quid etiam de Joanne loquar, de quo mater religiosa testatur, qui intra materna situs adhuc viscera, præsentiam Domini spiritu cognovit, exsulta tione consignavit, sicut scriptum meminimus, matre dicente: Ecce enim ut facta est in auribus meis vox salutationis tuæ, exsultavit in gaudio infans in utero meo? Erat igitur qui prophetabat, an non erat? At certe erat; erat enim qui venerabatur auctorem, erat qui loquebatur, in matre. Denique Elisabeth filii spiritu replebatur, Maria filii spiritu sanctificabatur; sic enim habes, quia exsultavit infans in utero ejus, et repleta est Spiritu sancto Elisabeth (Ibid.). Vide singulorum verborum proprietates. Vocem quidem Mariæ prior Elisabeth audivit, sed Joannes prior Domini gratiam sensit. Pulchre sibi conveniunt oracula oraculis, femina mulieri, et pignus pignori. Istæ gratiam loquuntur, illi intus operantur pietatisque mysterium maternis adoriuntur profectibus; duplicique miraculo, licet honore diverso, prophetant matres spiritu parvulorum. Quis igi tur auctor hujus miraculi? nonne Dei Filius, qui fecit esse natos? De rebus humanis quæstio vestra non potest convenire; potestne de divinis convenire secretis? Quid est: Antequam generaretur non erat? Num quid Pater aliqua tempora conceptionis accepit ut Filium tempora prævenirent? Aut femineæ more na turæ, generationis suæ molitus est partum; ut molitio ipsa Filio esset antiquior? Quid est hoc? Cur divina secreta discutimus? Proprietatem legi divinæ generationis, non qualitatem. Facinus indignum! ut ex se quidam cælestia metiantur, qui Christum non nasci potuisse, sed fieri, tamquam unum de spadonibus putant aut tamquam unum de spadonibus Patrem Filium, quem ge nerare non potuerit, adoptaverit.
Hence, since they could not prove inequality from the objection about generation, let them understand that that widely spread false charge of their question also is exploded. For they are accustomed to propose: “How can the Son be equal to the Father? For if he is a Son, before he was begotten he was not; or if he was, why was he born?” And do those who propose the questions of Arius deny that they are Arians? So they demand an answer from us, so that if we say, “Before he was begotten, he was,” they may slyly reply: “Then before he was begotten he was created, and he does not differ from the other creatures, since he began to be created before he was Son.” And they add: “Why was he born who already was? Was it because he was imperfect, so as to become more perfect afterwards?” But if we answer that he was not, they object at once: “Then generation conferred on him that he should be, who was not before he was born”; so as to infer from this: “There was, then, when the Son was not.” But let those who propose this, and want to wrap the truth in obscurity, say themselves whether the Father begets temporally or non-temporally. For if they say temporally, they will ascribe to the Father what they object against the Son, so that the Father seems to have begun to be what he was not; if non-temporally, what remains but that they themselves should solve the question they proposed, so that, since they deny that the Father’s begetting is temporal, they confess that the Son’s generation too is not temporal? If, then, his generation is not from time, it may be concluded that nothing preceded the Son, who is not from time. For if anything was before the Son, then not all things that are in heaven or on earth were created in him, and the Apostle, who wrote this in his epistle, is refuted; but if nothing was before the generation, I do not see why he is asserted to be later, whom no one preceded. To this must be added another objection of theirs, full of impiety, which has a hidden trick by which to bind the senses and minds of the simple. For they ask whether everything that has an end began at some time. And if they receive such an answer, that what has an end began at some time, they ask whether the Father has ceased to beget the Son. When they have obtained this with our agreement, they connect: “Then the generation began.” If you do not deny this, it seems to follow that, if the generation began, it seems to have begun in him who was born, so that he is said to have been born who was not before; from which they conclude: “At some time, then, the Son was not.” They add other follies of their talkativeness, saying: “If the Son is the Word of the Father, and is therefore called begotten because he is the Word, and what is a word is not a work: the Father spoke in many ways; therefore he begot many sons, if he did not work but spoke the Word.” Senseless men! As though they did not understand the difference between uttered speech and the Word of God, born of the Father and abiding for ever: born, certainly, not uttered; in whom there is not a composed syllable but the fullness of eternal divinity and life without end. They add another impiety, asking whether the Father begot willingly or unwillingly; so that if we say willingly, we seem to confess that his will was older than the generation, and they may reply that the Son is not coeternal with the Father, since something went before him; or that he too is a creature, because it is written, “All that he willed, he made,” though this was said not of the Father and the Son but of the creatures which the Son made. But if we answer that the Father begot unwillingly, we seem to have called the Father powerless. But for me, in the everlasting generation neither willing nor not willing comes first; so I would say that he begot neither unwillingly nor willingly; because generation lies not in the capacity of the will but in a certain right and property of the Father’s secret. For just as the Father is good not from will or from necessity, but above both, that is, by nature, so the Father does not beget from will or from necessity. Yet suppose that the generation lies in the will of the begetter: when do they say this will existed? If in the beginning, then the Son was certainly in the beginning; if the will is everlasting, the Son too is everlasting; if the will began, then what he was as God the Father displeased him, so that he changed his state. Then he was displeased with himself without the Son, and began to be pleased with himself in the Son. Then this consequence follows, so that we may say: if he took up the desire of begetting in our manner, then he also took up in our manner the other things that usually precede generation; but in our usage of generation there is a wish, not a will. Those, then, betray their impiety who want Christ’s generation to have begun, so that it may seem to be not the generation of the abiding Word but the utterance of flowing speech; next, by bringing in many sons, they deny in Christ the property of the divine nature, so that he is reckoned neither only-begotten nor firstborn; finally, so that, if he is believed to have received a beginning, he may also seem to be going to have an end. But the Son of God, who was in the beginning, never took a beginning; nor will he have an end, who is the beginning and end of the universe. For since he is the beginning, how did he receive what he already had? Or how will he have an end of himself, when he is himself the end of all things, so that we may abide in him firmly without end? For since the generation of God is not temporal, it finds time neither before itself nor in itself. Their question, then, is cold and vain; it has no place even in created things; for even things that are temporal do not in some cases seem to have a distinction of time. Light, of course, begets radiance, and it cannot be understood that the radiance is later than the light, or the light older than the radiance; because where there is light there is radiance, and where radiance, light also. So neither can light be without radiance nor radiance without light; because light is in the radiance and radiance in the light. Hence the Apostle too called the Son the radiance of the Father’s glory; because the Son is the radiance of the Father’s light: coeternal, because of the eternity of power; inseparable, because of the unity of brightness. So if we cannot grasp and separate these temporal and airy things that we see, can we grasp God, whom we do not see, who is above all creation, in the very secret of his generation? Can we separate him from the Son by time, when all time is the work of the Son? Let them stop saying, then, “And before he was begotten he was not.” For “before” belongs to time, while the generation is before all times; and so what is later is not earlier, nor can a work be before its author, since works take their beginning from their maker. For how can the use of a work be reckoned before its maker, when all time is a work, and every work has received its being from its maker? I wish still to test these men who think themselves clever, so that they may answer from our human matters, they who slander divine things and shrink far back from the unsearchable secret of the heavenly generation: let them build their question on the example of human generation. They say of the Son of God that before he was begotten he was not; that is, of the wisdom of God, of the power of God, of the Word of God, whose generation knew nothing before itself. But if at some time, as they wish, he was not (which is wicked to say), then at some time the fullness of divine perfection was not in God, if afterwards he received the process of generation. Yet so that they may know how vain and easily solved their question is, although there is nothing common here between human and divine things, I will show that men existed before they were born. Let them deny that Jacob was holy before he was born, who supplanted his brother while still placed in the secret of his mother’s womb; let them deny that Jeremiah existed before he was born, to whom it is said: “Before I formed you in your mother’s womb I knew you, and before you came forth from the womb I sanctified you, and I appointed you a prophet among the nations.” What is plainer than the example of so great a prophet, who was sanctified before he was born and known before he was formed? What shall I say also of John, of whom his devout mother testifies that while still placed within his mother’s womb he recognized by the Spirit the presence of the Lord and marked it by leaping, as we remember it is written, when his mother says: “For behold, when the voice of your greeting came into my ears, the infant leapt for joy in my womb”? Did he who prophesied exist, then, or did he not? Certainly he existed; for he existed who worshiped his author, he existed who spoke in his mother. Indeed Elizabeth was filled with the spirit of her son, Mary was sanctified by the spirit of her Son; for so you have it, that “the infant leapt in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.” See the proper force of each word. Elizabeth heard Mary’s voice first, but John first perceived the Lord’s grace. Beautifully do oracles agree with oracles, woman with woman, child with child. The women speak of grace, the children work within, and through their mothers’ progress they take up the mystery of godliness; and by a twofold miracle, though of differing honor, the mothers prophesy by the spirit of their little ones. Who, then, is the author of this miracle? Is it not the Son of God, who made them to exist before they were born? If your question cannot hold for human things, can it hold for divine secrets? What is “Before he was begotten he was not”? Did the Father receive some times of conception, so that times should precede the Son? Or did he labor to bring forth his offspring in the manner of a female nature, so that the labor itself should be older than the Son? What is this? Why do we examine divine secrets? I have read of the property of the divine generation, not of its manner. It is an unworthy thing that some should measure heavenly things by themselves, who think that Christ could not be born but made, as though he were one of the eunuchs; or that the Father, like one of the eunuchs, adopted a Son whom he could not beget.
Col 1:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Heb 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 115:3 (113:11 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Rev 22:13 (echo, medium confidence) · Heb 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 25:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Jer 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 1:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 1:41 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Ambrose answers the Arian dilemmas about the Son’s generation (whether he existed before he was begotten, whether generation began, whether it was willed) by showing that the generation is eternal, like radiance from light, and that even human beings such as Jacob, Jeremiah, and John existed in some sense before birth.
- The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. Quotations and allusions: Col 1:16; Heb 1:1; Ps 115:3 (Vulgate 113:11, “All that he willed, he made”); John 1:1; Rev 22:13; Heb 1:3; Gen 25:26; Jer 1:5; Luke 1:44, 41.
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- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip and column number; OCR slip and inline footnote letter; OCR slips and inline footnote letter; end of Migne's chapter summary; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter and OCR slip; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; stray mark): queis Filium cæpisse argutabantur, profert et exptodit. Nam præter quam quod eos aut contra se, aut nihil efficere constat; cum rerum om nium principio non possit esse principium, in humonis etiam eorum argumentatio vitiosa eat. Tempus igitur non præcessisse auctorem sum: qui si aliquando Nos fuit, tunc Pater fuit sine sua virtute ac sapientia. Denique ubi humanis exemplis ostensum est aliquem priusquam nasca-tur, esse dici, hæreticorum temeritatem detestatur. → ; Et Arianes te negare → Et Arianos se negare; tit si dixerimus → ut si dixerimus; prat, astute → erat, astute; Erge antequam → Ergo antequam; nen differt → non differt; qnia prius caepit creatun esae qnam → quia prius cœpit creatus esse quam; Cor qui erat → Cur qui erat; erat, "t postea → erat, ut postea; tit hinc colligant → ut hinc colligant; vohmt → volunt; Fitio ohjicioRt → Filio objiciunt; Fater → Pater; in. temporaliter, quM superest, nist → intemporaliter, quid superest, nisi; generatio- Rem → generationem; falcantur → fateantur; pon est generatio → non est generatio; ex tempere → ex tempore; vet in terris → vel in terris; hoe in epistola sua seripserit → hoc in epistola sua scripserit; nihit ante → nihil ante; queM nemo → quem nemo; ohjeclio → objectio; ł ut um omne → utrum omne; finem babet → finem habet; tenuorint → tenuerint; Cœpis ergo → Cœpit ergo; Id Iii non abnuas → Id si non abnuas; utsi caepit → ut si cœpit; diealur → dicatur; Fiłius → Filius; Vel'bum Patris FilIUs → Verbum Patris Filius; geoilus → genitus; (HebT. I, 1) → (Hebr. I, 1); generavit filius, a si non → generavit filios, si non; loculus est → locutus est; cx Patre natum: 540 natum → ex Patre natum: natum; divisitatis → divinitatis; utrum,'ens, an invitus → utrum volens, an invitus; Fi- Mus coa'ternus → Filius coæternus; antecessit:aut → antecessit: aut; quæ coluit, fecit (PIal. CXIII, 11) → quæ voluit, fecit (Psal. CXIII, 11); ei Filiol → et Filio; dictum ait creaturis Sin → dictum sit creaturis. Sin; præcedil, nec vene, nec nolle:ergo → præcedit, nec velle, nec nolle: ergo; jure quodam et, proprietate → jure quodam et proprietate; non ant ex voluntate → non aut ex voluntate; b sed super utrumque, bile est, natura → sed super utrumque, hoc est, natura; non general ex vo luntate → non generat ex voluntate; generatio ill voluntate → generatio in voluntate; Filius:si → Filius: si; quod crat Deus Pater, ilL muta ret → quod erat Deus Pater, ut mutaret; siue Filio, placere cae pit siti → sine Filio, placere cœpit sibi; Jam ilia consequentia lit dicamus → Jam illa consequentia ut dicamus; gencrandi → generandi; cactera → cætera; impielatem → impietatem; Christi; lit videatur → Christi; ut videatur; inducendo filius → inducendo filios; nt nec unigeni tus, nee primogenitus → ut nec unigenitus, nec primogenitus; postremo lit si → postremo ut si; finem rideatur → finem videatur; Sod noque → Sed neque; Niun cum sit → Nam cum sit; nccepit? ant quomodo sui linem → accepit? aut quomodo sui finem; ut ill illo Sue line fixe → ut in illo sine fine fixi; eum tem poralis non ait, neo ante → cum temporalis non sit, nec ante; ill creataris → in creaturis; ill quibusdam hahere → in quibusdam habere; Lux nempe splendorem general → Lux nempe splendorem generat; qnod splendor → quod splendor; anliqlliClr → antiquior; lumen eat. Itaque neo → lumen est. Itaque nec; sinc lumine → sine lumine; concternus → coæternus; enni omne → cum omne; Desinant ogo → Desinant ergo; yneraretur, DOn erat. Ante euim → generaretur, non erat. Ante enim; posterlus → posterius; cnm opera → cum opera; operatore sun sumant → operatore suo sumant; operatare → operatore; qni sibi vi dentur → qui sibi videntur; caiumniantur → calumniantur; areano → arcano; dieunt → dicunt; Non erat, hoe ese, de Dei sapientia, de virtule Dei, c de Dei Verbo, eu jus generatio nihil ante se noyit → non erat, hoc est, de Dei sapientia, de virtute Dei, de Dei Verbo, cujus generatio nihil ante se novit; nonfuit (quod nefas dictu est) noM filii ergo → non fuit (quod nefas dictu est), non fuit ergo; aceepit → accepit; Mihil in eo → nihil in eo; nasceretur, a fuisse → nasceretur, fuisse; de vulca → de vulva; exempto → exemplo; testatur,qui → testatur, qui; dicenteEcce → dicente: Ecce; non erat, At certe → non erat? At certe; in marte → in matre; Istæ, gratiam loquuntur,illi → Istæ gratiam loquuntur, illi; humanis e quæstio → humanis quæstio; |potestne → potestne; Pater, aliqua tempora → Pater aliqua tempora; potuerint, 539 → potuerint,; explosam. c → explosam.; splendor 541 → splendor; exsultavit 542 → exsultavit; (Ibid.). b → (Ibid.)..
Topics: Christology, Trinity
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.9 (PL 16:611a–613 d; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-9/#p-4-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.
4.10PL 16:613 d–615c
Plerique etiam hinc faciunt quæstionem, quia scriptum est: Sicut misit me vivus Pater, et ego vivo propter Patrem: et qui manducat me, et ipse vivit propter me; dicentes: Quomodo æqualis est Patri Filius, qui dixit quia propter Patrem vivit? Qui hoc proponunt, primum respondeant, cujusmodi vita sit Filii, utrum ea quam Pater largitus sit non habenti? Sed quomodo vitam aliquando potuit non habere, cum ipse sit vita, sicut ait: Ego sum via, veritas et vita? Vita utique sempiterna, sicut virtus est sempiterna. Aliquando ergo, ut sic loquar, se vita non habuit? Considerate quid lectum sit hodie de Domino Jesu, quia mortuus est pro nobis; ut sive vigilemus, sive dormiamus, simul cum illo vivamus. Cujus mors vita est, hujus divinitas vita non est; cum divinitas vita sit sempiterna? An vero vita ejus in patris est potestate? Sed ne corporis quidem sui vitam in alterius fuisse po testate memoravit, sicut scriptum est: Ego pono animam meam, ut iterum sumam eam. Nemo tollit eam a me, sed ego pono eam a me ipso. Potestatem habeo ponendi eam, et iterum potestatem habeo su mendi eam: hoc mandatum accepi a Patre meo ( Joan. x, 17 et seq.). Ejus ergo vita secundum divinitatem in alterius potestate posita judicatur, cujus vita secundum corpus alienae non erat subdita potestati? Aliena enim potestas erat, si non erat unitas potestatis. Sed sicut potestatis suæ esse significat ponere animam, et liberae voluntatis: ita etiam quod secundum man datum deposuit Patris, suae ac paternæ voluntatis significat unitatem. Ergo si vitam Filius neque aliquo accepit ex tempore, neque alienæ habet potestati subditam, vi deamus qua ratione dixerit: Sicut misit me vivus Pater, et ego vivo propter Patrem, Exponamus ut possumus: imo ipse potius exponat. Considera igitur quid ante præmiserit; ait enim: Amen, amen dico vobis. Ante instruit quemad modum audire debeas: Vere, inquit, vere dico vobis, nisi manducaveritis carnem Filii hominis, et biberitis sanguinem ejus, non habebitis vitam in vobis. Secundum Filium hominis se dicere ante præmisit, et tu quod secundum Filium hominis de carne est locutus et sanguine, ad divinitatem putas esse referendum? Denique addidit: Caro enim mea vere est esca, et sanguis meus est potus ( Ibid., 56). Carnem audis, sanguinem audis, mortis Dominicæ sacramenta cognoscis; et divinitati calumniaris? Audi dicentem ipsum: Quia spiritus carnem et ossa non habet. Nos autem quotiescumque sacramenta sumimus, quæ per sacræ orationis mysterium in carnem transfigurantur et sanguinem, mortem Do mini annuntiamus ( I Cor. XI, 26 ). Ergo posteaquam se loqui secundum hominis Filium declaravit, et carnem sæpe repetivit et sanguinem, subdidit postea: Sicut misit me vivus Pater, et ego vivo propter Patrem; et qui manducat me, et ipse vivit propter me. Quomodo igitur hoc accipiendum putant? Potest enim duplex videri comparatio. Prima ita: Sicut misit me vivus Pater, et ego vivo propter Patrem. Secunda ita: Sicut misit me vivus Pater, et ego vivo propter Patrem; ita et qui manducat me, ipse vivit propter me. Si primam eligunt, hoc significat quia sicut missus sum a Patre, et descendi a Patre, ita vivo propter Patrem. Quasi quis autem missus est, atque descendit; nisi quasi Filius hominis sicut ipse supra dixit: Nemo ascendit in cælum, nisi qui de cælo descendit Filius hominis ( Joan. III, 13)? Ergo sicut quasi Filius hominis missus est, atque descendit; ita quasi Filius hominis vivit propter Patrem. Denique et qui manducat quasi filium hominis, et ipse vivit propter Filium hominis. Actum ergo incarnationis suae adventui comparavit. Quod si secunda complacuit, nonne et æqualitatem Filii cum Patre, et similitudinem ejus cum homine manifesta distinctione colligimus? Nam quid est: Sicut ipse vivit propter Patrem, et nos vivimus propter ipsum; nisi quia sic vivificat Filius hominem, sicut Pater in Filio carnem vivificavit hu manam? Sicut enim Pater suscitat mortuos, et vivificat; sic et Filius, quos vult, vivificat, ut ipse Dominus supra dixit ( Joan. v, 21). Æqualitas ergo Filii ad Patrem per unitatem quoque vivificationis astruitur; quando sic vivificat Filius ut Pater. Agnosce ergo ejus vitam et poten tiam sempiternam. Similitudo etiam nostra ad ipsum, et quædam secundum carnem unitas declaratur; quoniam quemadmodum Dei Filius a Patre, sic homo est vivificatus in carne. Sic enim scriptum est, quia sicut Deus Jesum Christum a mortuis suscitavit, ita etiam nos quasi homines vivificamur a Dei Filio. Secundum hanc ergo expositionem non so lum ad conditionem humanam derivatur gratia largitatis, sed etiam divinitatis aeternitas prædicatur; divinitatis, quia ipsa vivificat: humanae autem condi tionis, quia vivificata est et in Christo. Quod si quis utrumque ad Christi refert divi nitatem: ergo Filius Dei hominibus comparatur; ut ita Filius propter Patrem vivat, sicut nos propter Filium Dei vivimus. Sed Filius Dei vitam largitur æter nam, nos autem largiri nequimus; ergo nostri compa ratione nec ille largitur. Habeant igitur Ariani fidei suae præmium, ne vitam æternam adipiscantur a Filio. Libet jam ulterius progredi; nam si illis pla cet hunc locum ad divinæ perpetuitatem referre substantiæ, accipiant etiam tertiam expositionem. Nonne evidenter videtur dicere quod sicut vi vus Pater est, ita vivit et Filius? Quod utique quis non advertat ad unitatem vitæ, quod eadem Patris et Filii vita sit, esse referendum? Sicut enim Pater vitam habet in semetipso, sic dedit et Filio vitam habere in semetipso ( Joan. v, 26). Dedit per unitatem: dedit, non ut auferat, sed ut clarificetur in Filio: dedit, ut complaceat: dedit non ut Pater custodiret, sed ut Filius possideret. Sed objiciendum putant quia dixerat: Ego vivo propter Patrem ( Joan. V!, 58). Utique si ad di vinitatem referunt, propter Patrem vivit Filius; quia ex Patre Filius est: propter Patrem; quia unius substantiæ cum Patre: propter Patrem; quia eructatum est Verbum ex Patris corde (Psal.XLIV, i), quia a Patre processit, quia ex paterno generatus est utero ( Psal. CIX, 3), quia fons Pater Filii est, quia radix Pater Filii est. Sed dicunt fortasse: Si unitatem putas Pa tris ac Filii vitae esse, cum Filius dixerit: Et ego vivo propter Patrem ( Joan. VI, 58), numquid unitas est Filii vitæ atque hominum: cum dixerit Filius: Qui manducat me, et ipse vivit propter me? Immo plane, sicut unitatem fateor esse vitæ cœlestis in Patre et Filio per divinæ unitatem substantiæ, ita vel divinæ naturæ vel Dominicæ incarnationis excepto privilegio, societatem nobiscum vitæ spiritalis in Filio esse profiteor per humanæ unitatem naturæ: Qualis enim cœlestis tales et cœlestes. Denique sicut in illo sedemus ad dextram Patris, non quia cum ipso sedemus, sed quia sedemus in Christi corpore, de quo postea di cemus plenius ( Infr. lib. v): sicut, inquam, sede mus in Christo per corporis unitatem: ita et in Christo vivimus per corporis unitatem. Non solum autem non vereor quia scriptum est: Et ego vivo propter Patrem; sed etiam si per Patrem dixisset, non vererer. Solent enim etiam illud ob jicere quia dixit: Hæc infirmitas non est ad mortem, sed pro claritate Dei; ut clarificetur Filius ejus per ipsum. Non solum enim per Patrem, et a Patre Filius clarificatur, quia scriptum est: Cla rifica me, Pater; et alibi: Nunc clarificatus est Filius hominis, et Deus clarificatus est in eo, et Deus clarificavit eum ( Joan. XIII, 31, 33): sed etiam per Filium et a Filio clarificatur Pater, quia veritas dixit: Ego te clarificavi super terram. Sicut ergo clarificatur per Patrem, ita etiam propter Patrem vivit. Unde et quidam δο̍ξαν opi nionem magis putaverunt esse, quam gloriam; et ideo sic interpretati sunt: Ego te clarificavi super terram, opus consummavi quod dedisti mihi; et nunc clarifica me, Pater, hoc est, δόξασον, ut sit hic sensus: Ego opinionem de te hominibus hujusmodi infudi, ut cognoscant te Deum verum; et tu hanc de me confirma illis opinionem, ut credant me tuum Filium et Deum verum.
Many also raise a question from this, because it is written: “As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me”; and they say: “How is the Son equal to the Father, when he said that he lives because of the Father?” Let those who propose this first answer what kind of life the Son has: is it a life that the Father bestowed on him when he did not have it? But how could he ever have been without life, since he himself is life, as he says: “I am the way, the truth, and the life”? Life everlasting, certainly, as power is everlasting. Was there a time, then, when Life, so to speak, did not have itself? Consider what was read today of the Lord Jesus, that he died for us, so that whether we wake or sleep we may live together with him. He whose death is life, is his divinity not life, when divinity is life everlasting? Or is his life in the Father’s power? But he did not say that even the life of his body was in another’s power, as it is written: “I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again: this commandment I received from my Father.” Is his life according to divinity judged to be placed in another’s power, whose life according to the body was not subject to another’s power? For it would be another’s power if there were not unity of power. But as laying down his life signifies that it was in his own power and of his free will, so his laying it down according to the Father’s commandment signifies the unity of his will and the Father’s. If, then, the Son neither received life from some point of time nor has it subject to another’s power, let us see why he said: “As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father.” Let us explain it as we can; or rather, let him explain it. Consider, then, what he set before it; for he says: “Amen, amen I say to you.” First he instructs you how you ought to listen: “Truly,” he says, “truly I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you will not have life in you.” He said first that he was speaking as Son of Man; and do you think that what he said as Son of Man of his flesh and blood is to be referred to the divinity? Indeed he added: “For my flesh is truly food, and my blood is truly drink.” You hear of flesh, you hear of blood, you recognize the sacraments of the Lord’s death; and do you slander the divinity? Hear him saying: “For a spirit does not have flesh and bones.” And as often as we receive the sacraments, which through the mystery of the sacred prayer are transfigured into flesh and blood, we proclaim the death of the Lord. So after he declared that he was speaking as the Son of Man, and had repeated flesh and blood many times, he then added: “As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.” How, then, do they think this should be taken? For the comparison can be seen in two ways. The first thus: “As the living Father sent me, so I live because of the Father.” The second thus: “As the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so too he who eats me lives because of me.” If they choose the first, it means: as I was sent by the Father and came down from the Father, so I live because of the Father. But as what was he sent, and as what did he come down, except as Son of Man, as he himself said above: “No one has ascended into heaven except he who came down from heaven, the Son of Man”? So as he was sent and came down as Son of Man, so as Son of Man he lives because of the Father. Indeed he who eats him as Son of Man also lives because of the Son of Man. He compared this act, then, to the coming of his incarnation. But if the second pleases them, do we not gather by a clear distinction both the equality of the Son with the Father and his likeness to man? For what is “As he lives because of the Father, so we live because of him,” but that the Son gives life to man as the Father gave life to human flesh in the Son? “For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will,” as the Lord himself said above. The equality of the Son with the Father, then, is established through the unity of giving life as well, since the Son gives life as the Father does. Recognize, then, his everlasting life and power. Our likeness to him also, and a certain unity according to the flesh, is declared; since, as the Son of God was given life in the flesh by the Father, so man is given life. For it is written that as God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, so we too, as men, are given life by the Son of God. According to this explanation, then, not only is the grace of his bounty extended to the human condition, but the eternity of the divinity is also proclaimed: of the divinity, because it gives life; of the human condition, because even in Christ it was given life. But if anyone refers both to the divinity of Christ, then the Son of God is compared to men, so that the Son lives because of the Father in the way that we live because of the Son of God. But the Son of God bestows eternal life, and we cannot bestow it; then, on the comparison with us, neither does he bestow it. Let the Arians, then, have the reward of their faith, that they may not obtain eternal life from the Son. Let us go further now; for if they like to refer this passage to the perpetuity of the divine substance, let them take a third explanation as well. Does he not plainly seem to say that as the Father is living, so the Son also lives? Who would not see that this is to be referred to the unity of life, that the life of the Father and of the Son is the same? “For as the Father has life in himself, so he has given to the Son also to have life in himself.” He gave it through unity; he gave not to take it away but to be glorified in the Son; he gave to be well pleased; he gave not so that the Father should keep it but so that the Son should possess it. But they think it must be objected that he said, “I live because of the Father.” Certainly, if they refer it to the divinity, the Son lives because of the Father: because the Son is from the Father; because of the Father, because he is of one substance with the Father; because of the Father, because the Word was uttered from the Father’s heart, because he proceeded from the Father, because he was begotten from the Father’s womb, because the Father is the fount of the Son, because the Father is the root of the Son. But perhaps they say: “If you think there is a unity of life of the Father and the Son, since the Son said, And I live because of the Father, is there then a unity of the life of the Son and of men, since the Son said, He who eats me also lives because of me?” Indeed there is: as I confess that there is a unity of heavenly life in the Father and the Son through the unity of the divine substance, so, excepting the privilege of the divine nature and of the Lord’s incarnation, I profess that we share a fellowship of spiritual life in the Son through the unity of human nature: “For as is the heavenly, such also are those who are heavenly.” Indeed, as we sit in him at the right hand of the Father, not because we sit beside him but because we sit in the body of Christ, of which we shall speak more fully later, as, I say, we sit in Christ through the unity of the body, so we also live in Christ through the unity of the body. Not only am I not afraid because it is written, “And I live because of the Father”; I would not be afraid even if he had said “through the Father.” For they are also accustomed to object that he said: “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that his Son may be glorified through it.” For not only is the Son glorified through the Father and by the Father, since it is written, “Glorify me, Father,” and elsewhere, “Now is the Son of Man glorified, and God is glorified in him, and God has glorified him”; but the Father too is glorified through the Son and by the Son, for the Truth said: “I have glorified you on earth.” As, then, he is glorified through the Father, so too he lives because of the Father. Hence some, too, have thought that doxa means “opinion” rather than “glory,” and so have interpreted it thus: “I have glorified you on earth; I have finished the work you gave me; and now glorify me, Father,” that is, doxason; so that the sense is: “I have instilled in men such an opinion of you that they know you as the true God; and you confirm in them this opinion of me, that they may believe me to be your Son and true God.”
John 6:57 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 5:10 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:53 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:55 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 24:39 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 11:26 (allusion, high confidence) · John 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:11 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 5:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 45:1 (44:2 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · John 8:42 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 110:3 (109:3 Vulg.) (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:48 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 2:6 (allusion, high confidence) · John 11:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:5 (quotation, high confidence) · John 13:31 (quotation, high confidence) · John 13:32 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:4 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Ambrose explains John 6:57 (“I live because of the Father”) as said of the incarnate Son of Man, or as showing his equality with the Father in giving life, and answers a similar objection from John 11:4 and John 17 about the Son being glorified.
- The digital text begins this chapter with the end of Migne’s chapter summary and his note of another chapter division, removed by logged corrections. Quotations and allusions: John 6:57 (Latin 6:58); John 14:6; 1 Thess 5:10 (read that day); John 10:17–18; John 6:53–55; Luke 24:39; 1 Cor 11:26; John 3:13; John 5:21; Rom 8:11 (2 Cor 4:14); John 5:26; Ps 45:1 (LXX 44:2); John 8:42; Ps 110:3 (LXX 109:3); 1 Cor 15:48; Eph 2:6; John 11:4; John 17:5; John 13:31–32; John 17:4. “Transfigured into flesh and blood” renders Ambrose’s word for the eucharistic change (transfigurantur), translated exactly. Greek δόξα (doxa) means both “glory” and “opinion”; δόξασον is “glorify.”
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- Digital text corrected (Migne's note of another chapter division and OCR slip; OCR slip; OCR slip and column number; column number and OCR slip; end of Migne's chapter summary and his note of another chapter division; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter and OCR slip; inline footnote letter or column number of the digitization; paragraph number; stray mark; stray mark and paragraph number): bari, quod ibidem de corpore ac sanguine suo præmi-. serat. Tum duarum controversi loci expositonum primam referri ad humanitatem, et secunda Filii cum Patreæqualitatem, nec non cum homine similitudi nem signari docet. Deinde perstricta quam Filio inurebant, injuria, quo pacto etiam secundum divinita tem propter Patrem vivat, aperit. Ac tandem exposito quæ vitæ; nostræ cum divina unitas ait, aliam objeclionem, qua Filius per Patrem clarificari opponi tur, paucis absolvit. [Alias cap. V. ] → ; d utrum ea quam Pater targitus → utrum ea quam Pater largitus; sempiterna Aliquando ergo → sempiterna. Aliquando ergo; de 543 Domiuo → de Domino; simul cuna illo vivamus.Cujus → simul cum illo vivamus. Cujus; non est; e cum divinitas → non est; cum divinitas; All vero → An vero; Ego poMo animam mean, ut iterum sumam MaM. Nemo tollit eam a me, aed ego porro eane → Ego pono animam meam, ut iterum sumam eam. Nemo tollit eam a me, sed ego pono eam; ponendi eaM → ponendi eam; in allcrius potestate posita judisatur → in alterius potestate posita judicatur; potestatis suT esse → potestatis suæ esse; Sicul mixit me vivus Pa ter → Sicut misit me vivus Pater; aute præmiserit; ais enim → ante præmiserit; ait enim; manducaveritis carnene Filii IlOmini, et biberitis sanguinem ejus, note habebitis nitam → manducaveritis carnem Filii hominis, et biberitis sanguinem ejus, non habebitis vitam; præ misit, ct tu → præmisit, et tu; vere eat esca, et sanguis meus eat potus → vere est esca, et sanguis meus est potus; spiritus earnem et olla → spiritus carnem et ossa; a in cernem transfigurantur → in carnem transfigurantur; declaravit, ct carnem → declaravit, et carnem; Sicut misit me vivus. Pater, et ego trivo → Sicut misit me vivus Pater, et ego vivo; et ego nino propter Patrem. 544 Secunda → et ego vivo propter Patrem. Secunda; ila vivo propter → ita vivo propter; L Quasi quis autem missus est, at que → Quasi quis autem missus est, atque; Filiu. hominis ( Joan → Filius hominis ( Joan; descelli dit; ila quasi Filius homiuis → descendit; ita quasi Filius hominis; Actum ergo in carnationis → Actum ergo incarnationis; 127 Quod si → Quod si; aequa litatem Filii cnm Patre → æqualitatem Filii cum Patre; viimus → vivimus; morluos → mortuos; Dominas supra → Dominus supra; lilii ad Patrem → Filii ad Patrem; ad SUum → ad ipsum; a Palrc → a Patre; scriptum eat, quia → scriptum est, quia; vivificamur x Dei Filio → vivificamur a Dei Filio; largilalis → largitatis; utrumquc → utrumque; Filius Dci vitam → Filius Dei vitam; lie vitam æternam → ne vitam æternam; divinæ c. perpetuitatem → divinæ perpetuitatem; in Memetipso → in semetipso; Ego viro propter → Ego vivo propter; qnia ex Patre → quia ex Patre; Sea dicunt → Sed dicunt; Et ege vivo → Et ego vivo; Fillus quia Qui manducul → Filius: Qui manducat; ilL Patre → in Patre; sulJstantiæ → substantiæ; divinæ naturævel Duminicæ incar nationis excepto privilegium, societatelm nobiscum viLa: → divinæ naturæ vel Dominicæ incarnationis excepto privilegio, societatem nobiscum vitæ; tales et caelesles → tales et cœlestes; se quia sedemus in Chrisit corpore → sed quia sedemus in Christi corpore; in Cbristo per curpuris → in Christo per corporis; Nun solum → Non solum; [ Aliaa cap. VI.] Solent enim eliam → Solent enim etiam; Hœc infirmitus → Hæc infirmitas; mortem, a sed pro → mortem, sed pro; Nunc cla rificatus est Fitius hominis, et Dcu. clarificatus → Nunc clarificatus est Filius hominis, et Deus clarificatus; sed etam → sed etiam; clatificatur → clarificatur; terram. I 157 Sicut ergo → terram. Sicut ergo; saper terram, opus consumma viquod → super terram, opus consummavi quod; Puter, huc est → Pater, hoc est; sem sus → sensus; huju;modi → hujusmodi; opiniolJem → opinionem; Deum vcrum → Deum verum; expositionem. 545 → expositionem.; Unde et b → Unde et.
Topics: Christology, Eucharist
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.10 (PL 16:613 d–615c; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-9/#p-4-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.
4.11PL 16:615d–617a
Jam illud ridiculum est, quod quidam ex illo Apostolico discretionem inter Patrem et Filium faciunt potestatis, quia scriptum est: Nobis tamen unus Deus Pater, ex quo omnia, et nos in ipso: et unus Dominus Jesus Christus, per quem omnia, et nos per ipsum I Cor. VIII, 6). Aiunt enim non mediocrem divinæ majestatis esse distantiam, quia dictum est: Ex illo omnia, et per hunc omnia. Nihil autem ex pressius, quam quod hoc loco omnipotens Filius evidenti ratione signatur; nam ut ex illo omnia, ita per hunc omnia. Inter omnia Pater non est, cui dictum est: Quia universa serviunt tibi ( Psal. CXVIII, 9i ). Inter omnia Filius non est, quia omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et omnia in ipso constant, et ipse est super omnes cœlos. Non ergo inter omnia Filius, sed super omnia: qui secundum car nem quidem est ex familia Judæorum; idem tamen super omnia Deus benedictus in saecula ( Rom. IX, 5), cujus est nomen super omne nomen, et de quo dicitur: Omnia subjecisti sub pedibus ejus( Pial. VIII, 8). Subjiciendo autem omnia, nihil reliquit ei non subjectum, sicut Apostolus dixit ( Hebr. II, 8). Quod si hoc etiam secundum incarnationis locutus est sa cramentum, quemadmodum possumus de supernae generationis incomparabili majestate dubitare? Nihil igitur potestatis inter Patrem et Filium certum est interesse. Denique eo usque nihil interest potestatis, ut idem Apostolus ex ipso dixerit esse omnia, per quem omnia sicut habes: Quoniam ex ipso, et per ipsum, et in ipso sunt omnia (Rom. It, 33). Si igitur Pater, sicut putant, tantummodo significatur, non potest idem et omnipotens esse, quia ex ipso omnia: et omnipotens non esse, quia per ipsum omnia. Aut igitur invalidum, nec omni potentem Patrem sua assertione memorabunt, aut certe omnipotentem etiam Filium vel inviti voce pro pria fatebuntur. Eligant tamen utrum hic Patrem declaratum putent. Si Patrem, ergo et per ipsum omnia: si Filium, ergo et ex ipso omnia. Si autem et per Patrem omnia, nihil utique Filio derogandum: et si ex Filio omnia, similiter et Filio deferendum. Ac ne insidiari nos unius arbitrentur obreptione versiculi, totum caput recenseamus: O altitudo, inquit, divitiarum sapientiœ et scientiæ Dei: quam inscrutabilia sunt judicia ejus, et investigabiles viæ ejus! Quis enim cognovit sensum Domini? aut quis consiliarius ejus fuit? aut quis prior dedit illi, et retribuetur ei? Quoniam ex ipso, et per ipsum, et in ipso sunt omnia, ipsi gloria in sæcula ( Ibid., 35 et seq.) De quo igitur dictum putant, de Patre, an de Filio? Si de Patre: sed non est Sapientia Dei Pater; quia Sapientia Dei Filius est. Quid est autem quod non possit Sapientia, de qua scriptum est: Cum sit una omnipotens et permanens, in se omnia innovat? Non ergo accedentem legimus, sed permanentem. Habes ergo juxta Salomonem, omni potentem et permanentem Sapientiam. Habes etiam bonam, quia scriptum est: Sapientiam autem non vincit malitia. Sed ad propositum revertamur. Quam inscrutabilia sunt, inquit, judicia ejus! Si igitur omne judicium Pater dedit Filio, Filium Pater videtur declarare, qui judicat. Denique ut scias quia non de Patre, sed de Filio dicit, addidit: Quis prior, inquit, dedit illi? Dedit enim Pater Filio: sed dedit jure generationis, non munere largitatis. Et ideo quia negari non potest a Patre accepisse Filium, secundum quod seri ptum est: Omnia mihi tradita sunt a Patre meo; dicendo tamen: Quis prior dedit illi? non accepisse per naturam a Patre Filium denega vit, sed priorem non posse dici inter Patrem et fi lium declaravit; quia etsi Pater dedit Filio, non tamen quasi posteriori dedit: quia increata et inæ stimabilis Trinitas, quae unius est æternitatis et gloriæ, nec tempus, nec gradum, vel posterioris recipit, vel prioris. Quod si Græcos magis codices sequendos putamus, qui habent τίς προσέδωκεν αὐτω̩̃; vides quoniam cui nihil addi potest, non dispar a pleno est. Ergo si Filio magis convenit hoc totum Aposto licum caput, videmus et de Filio esse credendum, quia ex ipso omnia, sicut scriptum est: Quoniam ex ipso, et per ipsum, et in ipso sunt omnia. Esto tamen de Patre dictum putent. Itaque meminerimus quia sicut ex ipso legimus omnia, ita etiam per ipsum omnia: in universitatem quippe totius creaturae Patris et Filii profertur auctoritas. Ac licet superius omnipotentem Filium paterno pro baverimus exemplo, tamen quia illis derogare stu dium est, considerent quia et Patri derogant. Si enim infirmus Filius, quia per ipsum omnia, numquid infirmus et Pater, quia et per Patrem omnia? Sed ut agnoscant nullam discretionem inter hæc esse, iterum demonstrabo ejusdem esse, ex quo aliquid, et per quem aliquid; et ostendam utrumque de Patre lectum. Sic enim habemus: Fidelis Deus per quem vocati estis in communicationem Filii ejus. Quid Apostolus dixerit, considerent. Per Pa trem vocamur, et nihil est quæstionis: per Filium creamur, et hoc vilius æstimarunt? Pater in communionem Filii vocavit, et religiose hoc sicut debemus, accipimus: Filius omnia creavit, et putant non liberæ fuisse voluntatis arbitrium, sed coactæ atque servilis operationis obsequium? Ut autem agnoscas plenius nihil distare inter Patris et Filii potestatem, cum per Patrem in communionem Filii ejus vocentur; ex Filio est ipsa communio, sicut scriptum est: Quoniam de plenitudine ejus nos omnes accepimus; licet secun dum Græcum Evangelium, ex plenitudine ejus in telligere debeamus. Ecce et per Patrem communio, et ex Filio communio: sed non discrepans, sed una communio; sicut idem Joannes in epistola sua dixit: Ut communicatio nostra sit cum Patre, et cum Filio ejus Jesu Christo ( IJoan. I, 3). Accipe etiam quia non solum ex Patre et Filio, sed etiam ex Spiritu sancto unam nobis communio nem Scriptura commemoravit: Gratia, inquit, Domini nostri Jesu Christi, et charitas Dei, et communica tio sancti Spiritus cum omnibus vobis, Quæro autem in quo minor videatur is per quem omnia, quam is ex quo omnia? An quia operator asseritur? Sed operatur et Pater; quia veritas est, qui dixit: Pater meus usque modo operatur, et ego operor. Sicut igitur Pater operatur, operatur et Filius. Non ergo operator infirmus aut vilis est; quoniam operatur et Pater: et ideo quod commune est Filio cum Patre, vel propter Patrem inferiore loco accipi non oportet; ne Patri potius in Filio ab hæreticis derogetur. Nec mediocre illud, quod alibi etiam idem sanctus Joannes ad refellendas Arianæ perfidiæ quæstiones, ait: Si scitis quoniam justus est, scitote quoniam qui facit justitiam, ex ipso natus est (I Joan. ii, 29). Justus autem quis nisi Dominus, qui justitias dilexit? Aut quem, sicut superiora indicant, repromissorem vitæ habemus æternæ, si Filium non habemus? Si igitur Filius Dei vitam nobis promisit æternam, et ipse justus est, ex ipso utique nati sumus. Aut si ex Filio nos per gratiam natos negant, nec justum Filium confitentur. Credas igitur necesse est etiam ex Dei Filio omnia; quia omnium sicut et Pater, ita et Filius et auctor est et creator. Videmus ergo inanem esse hanc quæstionem, cum et de Filio credi conveniat, quoniam ex ipso, et per ipsum, et in ipso sunt omnia. Diximus quomodo ex ipso, quomodo etiam per ipsum. In ipso autem omnia esse quis dubitet, cum alibi scriptum sit: Quoniam in ipso condita sunt omnia in cœlis, et in ipso creata sunt: et ipse est ante omnes, et omnia in ipso constant ( Coloss. I, 16 )? Habes ergo ex ipso gratiam, ipsum operatorem, in ipso omnium firmamentum.
It is ridiculous, too, that some make a distinction of power between the Father and the Son from that saying of the Apostle, because it is written: “Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.” For they say that there is no small distance of divine majesty, because it is said: “From him are all things,” and “through him are all things.” But nothing is more expressly shown than that in this place the Son is marked out as almighty by plain reasoning; for as all things are from the one, so all things are through the other. The Father is not among “all things,” for to him it is said: “For all things serve you.” The Son is not among “all things,” because all things were made through him, and all things hold together in him, and he is above all the heavens. The Son, then, is not among all things but above all things; according to the flesh he is indeed from the race of the Jews, yet the same is God over all, blessed for ever; his name is above every name, and of him it is said: “You have put all things under his feet.” And in subjecting all things, he left nothing not subject to him, as the Apostle said. But if he said this too according to the mystery of the incarnation, how can we doubt the incomparable majesty of the heavenly generation? It is certain, then, that there is no difference of power between the Father and the Son. Indeed so far is there no difference of power that the same Apostle said that all things are from the very one through whom are all things, as you have it: “For from him and through him and in him are all things.” If, then, as they think, only the Father is signified here, the same cannot be both almighty, because all things are from him, and not almighty, because all things are through him. So either they will call the Father powerless and not almighty by their own assertion, or certainly they will confess with their own voice, even unwillingly, that the Son too is almighty. Let them choose, however, whether they think the Father is spoken of here. If the Father, then all things are also through him; if the Son, then all things are also from him. But if all things are also through the Father, nothing is to be taken away from the Son; and if all things are from the Son, likewise honor is to be paid to the Son. And lest they think that we lay a trap by stealthily taking one verse, let us review the whole chapter: “O the depth,” he says, “of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor? Or who has first given to him, and it will be repaid to him? For from him and through him and in him are all things; to him be glory for ever.” Of whom, then, do they think it is said, of the Father or of the Son? If of the Father: but the Father is not the Wisdom of God; the Son is the Wisdom of God. And what is there that Wisdom cannot do, of which it is written: “Being one, she can do all things, and abiding in herself she renews all things”? We read, then, not that she is added to but that she abides. You have, then, according to Solomon, Wisdom almighty and abiding. You have her also good, for it is written: “But malice does not overcome wisdom.” But let us return to our subject. “How unsearchable,” he says, “are his judgments!” If, then, the Father has given all judgment to the Son, it seems to be the Son who is declared, since it is he who judges. Indeed, so that you may know that he is speaking not of the Father but of the Son, he added: “Who,” he says, “has first given to him?” For the Father did give to the Son, but he gave by right of generation, not by a gift of bounty. And so, since it cannot be denied that the Son received from the Father, according to what is written, “All things have been handed over to me by my Father,” yet by saying, “Who has first given to him?” he did not deny that the Son received from the Father by nature, but declared that neither of the Father and the Son can be called prior; because, although the Father gave to the Son, he did not give as to one who came later, for the uncreated and inestimable Trinity, which is of one eternity and glory, admits neither time nor rank, whether of later or of earlier. But if we think the Greek manuscripts are rather to be followed, which have “Who has given in addition to him?” (prosedōken), you see that he to whom nothing can be added is not unequal to the one who is full. So if this whole chapter of the Apostle fits the Son better, we see that we must believe of the Son also that all things are from him, as it is written: “For from him and through him and in him are all things.” But suppose they think it said of the Father. Then let us remember that as we read that all things are from him, so too all things are through him; for the authority of the Father and the Son is set forth over the whole universe of creation. And although we proved above by the Father’s example that the Son is almighty, yet since they are eager to disparage, let them consider that they disparage the Father too. For if the Son is weak because all things are through him, is the Father weak too, because all things are also through the Father? But so that they may recognize that there is no distinction between these phrases, I will show again that “from whom” something is and “through whom” something is belong to the same, and I will show that both are read of the Father. For we have it thus: “God is faithful, through whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son.” Let them consider what the Apostle said. We are called through the Father, and there is no question; we are created through the Son, and do they reckon this baser? The Father called us into the fellowship of his Son, and we receive this devoutly, as we ought; the Son created all things, and do they think that this was not the judgment of free will but the compliance of a forced and servile operation? And so that you may recognize more fully that there is no difference between the power of the Father and of the Son: although we are called through the Father into the fellowship of his Son, the fellowship itself is from the Son, as it is written: “For from his fullness we have all received,” although according to the Greek Gospel we should understand “out of his fullness.” See, the fellowship is both through the Father and from the Son; yet it is not discordant but one fellowship, as the same John said in his epistle: “And that our fellowship may be with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.” Take note also that Scripture has spoken of one fellowship for us not only from the Father and the Son but also from the Holy Spirit: “The grace,” it says, “of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.” I ask, then, in what respect he through whom are all things seems less than he from whom are all things. Is it because he is said to be a worker? But the Father too works; for the Truth said: “My Father is working until now, and I am working.” As, then, the Father works, the Son also works. The worker, then, is not weak or base, since the Father too works; and so what the Son has in common with the Father ought not, for the Father’s sake at least, to be taken in an inferior sense, lest the heretics should rather disparage the Father in the Son. Nor is that of small weight which the same holy John says elsewhere, refuting the questions of Arian faithlessness: “If you know that he is righteous, know that everyone who does righteousness is born of him.” And who is righteous but the Lord, who has loved righteousness? Or whom, as the preceding words indicate, do we have as the promiser of eternal life, if we do not have the Son? If, then, the Son of God has promised us eternal life, and he is righteous, we are certainly born of him. Or if they deny that we are born of the Son by grace, they do not confess that the Son is righteous either. You must believe, then, that all things are also from the Son of God; for as the Father, so also the Son is the author and creator of all things. We see, then, that this question is empty, since it is fitting to believe of the Son also that from him and through him and in him are all things. We have said how “from him,” and how also “through him.” And who would doubt that all things are in him, when it is written elsewhere: “For in him all things in heaven were established, and in him they were created; and he is before all, and all things hold together in him”? You have, then, grace from him, him as the worker, and in him the foundation of all things.
1 Cor 8:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 119:91 (118:91 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 4:10 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 9:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 8:6 (8:7 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 2:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:36 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:33 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:35 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 11:27 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:9 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:29 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 11:7 (10:8 Vulg.) (echo, medium confidence) · 1 John 2:25 (allusion, medium confidence) · Col 1:16 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Ambrose answers the Arian use of 1 Cor 8:6 (“from whom” the Father, “through whom” the Son) by showing from Rom 11:33–36 and other texts that “from,” “through,” and “in” are said of both Father and Son, so that their power is one.
- The digital text begins this chapter with Migne’s chapter summary, removed by a logged correction. Quotations and allusions: 1 Cor 8:6; Ps 119:91 (LXX 118:91); John 1:3; Col 1:17; Eph 4:10; Rom 9:5; Phil 2:9; Ps 8:6 (LXX 8:7); Heb 2:8; Rom 11:33–36; Wis 7:27 and 7:30 (ascribed to Solomon); John 5:22; Matt 11:27; 1 Cor 1:9; John 1:16; 1 John 1:3; 2 Cor 13:14; John 5:17; 1 John 2:29; Ps 11:7 (LXX 10:8); 1 John 2:25; Col 1:16–17. Ambrose cites the Greek of Rom 11:35 (τίς προσέδωκεν αὐτῷ, “who has given in addition to him”).
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- Digital text corrected (Migne's chapter summary; OCR slip; OCR slips and inline footnote letter; column number and OCR slips; column number and stray mark; inline footnote letter; inline footnote letter and OCR slips in Greek): Ostenditur enim illic eamdem Patris ac Filii omnipotentiam exprimi: quod cum ex aliis locis tum ex ipsius Pauli texta confirmatur. Hunc absurd, ad Patrem referri at hœreticis, ac pertinere ad Filium ex ejusdem serie deMonstrari: nec tamen quidquam Filii derogari potentiœ, si de Patre intelligatur. Postremo in istis, ex quo, per quem, et in quo aliquid, nullam intercedere differen tiam, et haec omnia de tribus personis dici, evincil. → ; ridiculum csL → ridiculum est; fa ciunt c potestatis → faciunt potestatis; in ipso:et unus → in ipso: et unus; Ex ilo omnia → Ex illo omnia; hoc luco → hoc loco; evidemi ratione → evidenti ratione; ex illu omnia → ex illo omnia; Inter omnia a Pater non est → Inter omnia Pater non est; facia sunt, et omnia ill ipso constant, et ipse eat super → facta sunt, et omnia in ipso constant, et ipse est super; Apostolus diiit → Apostolus dixit; hoc eUam secundum → hoc etiam secundum; idem Apostulus → idem Apostolus; significalur → significatur; omnipotens uon esse, quia pcr ipsum → omnipotens non esse, quia per ipsum; illvalidum → invalidum; omnipotentem eUam Filium → omnipotentem etiam Filium; falebunlur → fatebuntur; dectaratum patent → declaratum putent; onmia: si Fi- Hum, ergo et ex ipSo omnia. Si autem et pcr Pa trem → omnia: si Filium, ergo et ex ipso omnia. Si autem et per Patrem; ex Filiu omnia → ex Filio omnia; insidiari tros unias arbitrentur obreplione → insidiari nos unius arbitrentur obreptione; 0 alti tudo, iuquit → O altitudo, inquit; scientiœ 547 Dei: quam inscrutabitia → scientiæ Dei: quam inscrutabilia; aut quia consiliarius ejus fuit? aut quia priur dedit illi, et retribuatur ci? Quonium ex ipso, et per ipsum, et ire ipso → aut quis consiliarius ejus fuit? aut quis prior dedit illi, et retribuetur ei? Quoniam ex ipso, et per ipsum, et in ipso; dictum Putant, de Patre, an lie Filio → dictum putant, de Patre, an de Filio; Sapientia nei Pater; quia Sapientia Oei Filius → Sapientia Dei Pater; quia Sapientia Dei Filius; permanent, in se omnia innovat 1 Non ergo → permanens, in se omnia innovat? Non ergo; Hales ergo → Habes ergo; Sapient'iam → Sapientiam; lit scias → ut scias; dedic illi → dedit illi; nou putest → non potest; a Putre meo → a Patre meo; Trillilas, quae unius est alternitatis → Trinitas, quae unius est æternitatis; posterioris re cipit. vel prioris → posterioris recipit, vel prioris; qui habent a ris προσέδωϰεν → qui habent τίς προσέδωκεν; et ill ipso sunt omnia → et in ipso sunt omnia; Si euim infirmus → Si enim infirmus; namquid → numquid; Sed ill agnoscant → Sed ut agnoscant; ostendum → ostendam; Fidelia Deus → Fidelis Deus; in communication Filii → in communicationem Filii; nihil e5t → nihil est; 548 per Filium creamur, et. hoc → per Filium creamur, et hoc; sicut. debemus → sicut debemus; Patris et. Filii → Patris et Filii; per Panem in cummunionem → per Patrem in communionem; ex Filio cst ipsa contmunio, sicut scriptum cst → ex Filio est ipsa communio, sicut scriptum est; eju3 noa omnes → ejus nos omnes; counuuhio → communio; Lt communication nostra ait → Ut communicatio nostra sit; ex Patre clFilio → ex Patre et Filio; Damini nostri → Domini nostri; tt charitas → et charitas; Spiritus rant omnibus → Spiritus cum omnibus; b An quia operator asseritur?Sed → An quia operator asseritur? Sed; quia veras ea, qni dixit → quia veritas est, qui dixit; operor Sicut igitur Pater ope ratur, operator et FUins → operor. Sicut igitur Pater operatur, operatur et Filius; inflimus → infirmus; commune cst Filio → commune est Filio; prOpter → propter; Nee mediocre → Nec mediocre; scilole quoniam c gai favit justitiam, ex ipso nalus est (Joan. n; 29) → scitote quoniam qui facit justitiam, ex ipso natus est (I Joan. ii, 29); justi tias dilexit? Aur quem, sicut supcriura → justitias dilexit? Aut quem, sicut superiora; 8i igitur Filius Dci → Si igitur Filius Dei; nos per gratiam natus negant, nec jus'unt → nos per gratiam natos negant, nec justum; necesse cst → necesse est; sicut Utus Pater → sicut et Pater; auctor cst et creator → auctor est et creator; inancm csse hanc qui slionem → inanem esse hanc quæstionem; quomodo etiam, per ipsum → quomodo etiam per ipsum.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:27 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 7:30 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Ambrose, Fid. 4.11 (PL 16:615d–617a; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/ambrose-fide/4-9/#p-4-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 16 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged), then compared section by section with the public-domain English of NPNF² 10 (de Romestin, 1896); differences checked against the Latin.