The Conferences 17.4–17.19
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 13 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig (CSEL 13, 1886), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 11 (1894).
Chapter 17
17.4CSEL 13:467
Tum uenerabilis Ioseph deiectiores nos animo contemplatus atque hoc nobis non sine causa coniciens accidisse illo nos patriarchae Ioseph sermone conpellat: quid utique uultus uestri tristes sunt hodie? cui nos: non sicut uinculati illi Pharaonis ministri somnium uidimus et qui interpretetur non est, sed insomnem, inquam, duximus noctem, et qui aestuum nostrorum moles subleuet non est, nisi eas dominus tua discretione submouerit. tum ille, qui patriarchae uirtutem et merito referret et nomine: nonne per dominum, inquit, est humanarum cogitationum curatio? proferantur in medium: potens enim est diuina clementia secundum fidem uestram nostro eis medellam praestare consilio.
Then the venerable Joseph, seeing that we were rather downcast in mind and guessing that this had not happened to us without cause, addressed us in the words of the patriarch Joseph: “Why are your faces sad today?” We answered him: “We have not, like those imprisoned servants of Pharaoh, seen a dream with no one to interpret it; but we have spent a sleepless night, and there is no one to lift the weight of our agitation unless the Lord removes it by your discernment.” Then he, who recalled the patriarch both in virtue and in name, said: “Does not the healing of human thoughts come through the Lord? Let them be brought into the open; for the divine mercy is able, according to your faith, to give them a remedy through our counsel.”
Gen 40:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 40:8 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Joseph, echoing the patriarch Joseph, asks why they are sad and invites them to share their trouble.
- Gen 40:7–8.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slips and split words): qui d uti que nnltus nestri → quid utique uultus uestri; Bostro → nostro.
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.4 (CSEL 13:467; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.5CSEL 13:467–468
Ad haec GERMANVS: Credebamus, inquit, nos uestrae beatitudinis uisione non solum laetitia spiritali, sed etiam profectu abunde repletos ad nostrum coenobium recursuros et ea, quae fuissemus uestro magisterio consecuti, a nobis post reditum uel tenui aemulatione sectanda. hoc enim et seniorum nostrorum dilectio sibi spondere nos conpulit, dum sublimitatem uitae uestrae atque doctrinae posse nos aliquatenus imitari in illo coenobio crederemus. unde cum ex hoc nobis omnem aestimaremus laetitiam conferendam, intolerabili e contrario dolore conficimur, considerantes illo nos ordine id quod salutare nobis esse cognoscimus obtinere non posse. ex utroque ergo nunc latere coartamur. si enim promissioni, quam coram cunctis fratribus in spelaeo in quo dominus noster ex aula uteri uirginalis effulsit ipso teste deprompsimus, satisfacere uoluerimus, summum spiritalis uitae incurrimus detrimentum: sin autem sponsionis inmemores et in his regionibus residentes utilitati perfectionis nostrae illa uoluerimus postponere sacramenta, abrupta mendacii atque periurii pericula formidamus. sed ne hoc quidem aestus nostros possumus releuare consilio, ut postquam uelocissimo reditu iuris iurandi fuerit inpleta condicio, haec denuo loca celeri repetamus recursu. nam quamuis ad profectum spiritalium rerum uirtutemque tendentibus periculosa ac noxia sit etiam parua dilatio, tamen pollicitationem fidei nostrae quamuis moroso reditu solueremus, nisi nos non solum auctoritate, uerum etiam caritate seniorum nostrorum sciremus inexsolubiliter conligandos, ita ut remeandi ad haec loca nobis potestas deinceps nullo modo tribuatur.
To this Germanus said: “We believed that, abundantly filled not only with spiritual joy but also with progress by the sight of your blessedness, we would hurry back to our coenobium, and that after our return we would follow, even with slight imitation, what we had gained from your teaching. For our love for our elders also compelled us to promise them this, since we believed that we could imitate in some measure the sublimity of your life and teaching in that coenobium. Hence, although we thought that all joy would come to us from this, we are on the contrary consumed with unbearable grief, considering that in that way we cannot obtain what we know to be for our salvation. So now we are hemmed in on both sides. For if we wish to fulfil the promise that we made before all the brothers in the cave in which our Lord shone forth from the royal chamber of the virgin’s womb, with him as witness, we incur the greatest loss to the spiritual life; but if, forgetful of our promise and remaining in these regions, we choose to put those oaths below the benefit of our perfection, we dread the steep dangers of lying and perjury. And we cannot relieve our agitation even by this plan, that after the terms of our oath have been fulfilled by a very quick return, we come back here again by a quick journey. For although even a small delay is dangerous and harmful to those who are striving for progress in spiritual things and for virtue, we would nevertheless keep the promise of our faith, even by a tardy return, if we did not know that we would be bound inextricably not only by the authority but also by the love of our elders, so that the possibility of returning to these places would in no way be given us thereafter.”
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Summary: Germanus explains that they promised in the cave of the Nativity to return, but that returning would harm their progress, while staying would make them liars and perjurers; once back, their elders would never let them leave again.
- The promise was made in the cave of the Nativity at Bethlehem, near which Cassian’s first monastery stood.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (n for u)): e contraho → e contrario; neram etiam → uerum etiam.
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.5 (CSEL 13:467–468; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.6CSEL 13:468
Ad haec beatus Ioseph interposito aliquantisper silentio: certi, inquit, estis maiorem spiritalium rerum profectum in regione hac nobis posse conferri?
To this blessed Joseph, after a short silence, said: “Are you sure that greater progress in spiritual things can be given you in this region?”
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Summary: Joseph asks whether they are sure they will progress more in Egypt.
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.6 (CSEL 13:468; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.7CSEL 13:468–469
GERMANVS: Quamuis etiam illorum doctrinae summas grates rependere debeamus, qui nos docuerunt a paruulis magna conari et dato boni sui gustu egregiam perfectionis sitim nostris uisceribus indiderunt, si quid tamen iudicio nostro creditur, nullam ducimus conparationem inter haec atque illa quae illic percepimus instituta, ut sileamus conuersationis uestrae inimitabilem puritatem, quam nobis non solum mentis ac propositi districtione, sed etiam locorum credimus beneficio patrocinante conferri. unde non dubitamus ad imitandam perfectionis uestrae magnificentiam hanc quae cursim traditur doctrinam non posse sufficere, nisi nobis etiam conmorationis ipsius adfuerint adiumenta, longique temporis eruditio cotidiana institutione torporem nostri cordis utcumque discusserit.
Germanus: “Although we ought to give the highest thanks to the teaching of those who taught us from childhood to attempt great things and, giving us a taste of their own good, implanted in our hearts a remarkable thirst for perfection, yet, if our judgment is to be trusted at all, we see no comparison between these institutions and those we received there, to say nothing of the inimitable purity of your way of life, which we believe is conferred on you not only by the strictness of your mind and purpose but also by the help of the places themselves. Hence we do not doubt that, for imitating the magnificence of your perfection, this teaching given in passing cannot suffice, unless we also have the help of living here, and long training by daily instruction somehow shakes off the torpor of our heart.”
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Summary: Germanus answers that the Egyptian way of life is far superior and cannot be learned in passing but only by staying.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slips; stray period in the digital text): gostn → gustu; cursim. traditur → cursim traditur.
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.7 (CSEL 13:468–469; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.8CSEL 13:469–470
IOSEPH: Sanum quidem est atque perfectum nostraeque professioni omnino conueniens, ut ea quae sub aliqua sponsione decernimus efficaciter inpleamus. ob quam rem nihil oportet abrupte monachum definire, ne aut id quod incaute promisit inplere cogatur aut consideratione honestioris intuitus reuocatus sponsionis suae praeuaricator exsistat. sed quia nunc propositum nobis est non tam de sanitatis statu quam de infirmitatis curatione tractare, non quid primore loco a uobis fuerit actitandum, sed quemadmodum de scopulo huius perniciosi naufragii possitis euadere salubri est consilio requirendum. quando ergo nullum nos coartat uinculum nec condicio ulla constringit, de conparatione secundarum rerum optione proposita id quod maioris est conmodi praelegatur: quando uero aliqua dispendiorum obsistit aduersitas, in conparatione damnorum illud est adpetendum quod leuioribus subiacet detrimentis. proinde quantum uestra patefecit adsertio, cum ad id uos loci sponsio inconsulta perduxerit, ut ex utroque nobis grauis inconmodi subeunda iactura sit, in eam partem inclinandum est electionis arbitrium, quae uel tolerabiliora dispendia inferat uel satisfactionis remedio facilius expietur. si ergo maiora spiritui uestro lucra ex hac conmoratione creditis conferenda quam illa sunt quae nobis de conuersatione illius coenobii nascebantur, neque sine iactura ingentium conmodorum potest condicio uestrae sponsionis impleri, satius est hoc uos mendacii uel non inpletae promissionis subire dispendium, quod semel praeteritum nec ipsum ultra iam repeti nec alia per semet poterit generare peccata, quam in illud incidere per quod tepidioris uitae ut dicitis status cotidiano uos atque interminabili adficiat detrimento. ueniabiliter enim, immo uero etiam laudabiliter definitio incauta mutabitur, si ad salubriorem transeat partem, nec constantiae praeuaricatio, sed temeritatis emendatio esse credenda est, quotiens sponsio uitiosa corrigitur. quae omnia scripturarum quoque possunt testimoniis apertissime conprobari, quam multis etiam letaliter cesserit statuta conplesse et e contrario quam multis eadem refugisse conmodum fuerit ac salubre.
Joseph: “It is indeed sound and perfect, and wholly befitting our profession, that we should carry out effectively what we decide under some promise. For this reason a monk ought to decide nothing hastily, lest he be either compelled to fulfil what he has promised incautiously, or, called back by the consideration of a better view, become a transgressor of his promise. But since our purpose now is to treat not so much of the state of health as of the cure of sickness, we must seek in wholesome counsel, not what you should have done in the first place, but how you can escape from the rock of this dangerous shipwreck. When, then, no bond constrains us and no condition binds us, and a choice is offered between advantages, let what is of greater benefit be chosen; but when some adverse loss stands in the way, then in the comparison of losses we must seek that which is subject to lighter damage. Accordingly, as far as your statement has shown, since an ill-considered promise has brought you to the point where you must suffer the loss of a serious disadvantage either way, the choice must incline to that side which either brings more tolerable losses or is more easily expiated by the remedy of satisfaction. If, then, you believe that greater gains will come to your spirit from staying here than those that came to you from the way of life of that coenobium, and the terms of your promise cannot be fulfilled without the loss of great advantages, it is better for you to undergo this loss of a lie, or of an unfulfilled promise, which, once past, can neither be repeated nor produce other sins of itself, than to fall into that by which the state of a more lukewarm life, as you say, would afflict you with a daily and endless loss. For an incautious decision will be changed pardonably, or rather even laudably, if it passes over to the more wholesome side; and whenever a faulty promise is corrected, it must be believed to be not a breach of constancy but the correction of rashness. All these things can also be proved most plainly by testimonies of the Scriptures: how many it has been deadly for to carry out what they had decided, and on the other hand how many it has been advantageous and wholesome to have drawn back from the same.
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Summary: Joseph advises that when every choice brings loss, one should choose the lesser loss; a rash promise may be broken, as a single past fault, rather than accept continual spiritual harm, and correcting a bad promise is not inconstancy.
- Joseph’s counsel that a rash promise, even a sworn one, may be broken for a greater spiritual good is translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (a for u); OCR slips): actitandam → actitandum; conmodoram → conmodorum; cotidiano noe → cotidiano uos.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.8 (CSEL 13:469–470; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.9CSEL 13:470–471
Quod utrumque liquidissime sancti apostoli Petri et Herodis exempla testantur. ille enim quia discessit a definitione sententiae quam uelut sacramento firmauerat dicens: non mihi lauabis pedes in aeternum, inmortale Christi consortium promeretur, abscidendus procul dubio ab huius beatitudinis gratia, si in sermonis sui obstinatione mansisset. hic uero fidem inconsulti retinens sacramenti cruentissimus praecursoris domini extitit interemptor uanoque timore periurii damnationi semet ipsum atque suppliciis perpetuae mortis inmersit. in omnibus ergo rebus considerandus est finis et secundum eum propositi nostri dirigendus est cursus: quem si superueniente salubriore consilio ad deteriorem partem uergere uiderimus, rectius est incongrua constitutione submota ad meliorem transire sententiam quam statutis pertinaciter inhaerendo peccatis grauioribus obligari.
“The examples of the holy apostle Peter and of Herod testify to both most clearly. For the former, because he departed from the decision he had confirmed as with an oath, saying: “You shall never wash my feet,” gained the immortal fellowship of Christ, from the grace of which blessedness he would without doubt have been cut off had he persisted in the obstinacy of his word. But the latter, keeping faith with an ill-considered oath, became the most bloody murderer of the Lord’s forerunner, and through a vain fear of perjury plunged himself into damnation and the punishments of eternal death. In all things, then, the end must be considered, and the course of our purpose directed according to it; and if, when a more wholesome counsel comes, we see it turning toward the worse side, it is better to set aside the unsuitable decision and pass to a better judgment than, by clinging obstinately to what we decided, to be bound by graver sins.
John 13:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 14:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 14:10 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Peter rightly broke his vow not to let Christ wash his feet, while Herod kept a rash oath and killed John the Baptist; the end must decide whether a decision should be kept.
- John 13:8; Matt 14:6–10.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text; two words joined in the digital text): partemuergere → partem uergere; statutis! pertinaciter → statutis pertinaciter.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.9 (CSEL 13:470–471; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.10CSEL 13:471
GERMANVS: Quantum spectat ad desiderium nostrum, quod a nobis pro spiritalis conmodi utilitate susceptum est, optaremus aedificari uestri iugitate consortii. si enim ad coenobium nostrum fuerimus reuersi, non solum nos ab hoc tam sublimi proposito relapsuros, sed etiam pro mediocritate conuersationis illius multis certum est dispendiis quatiendos. uerum illud nos euangelicum mandatum uehementer absterret: sit sermo uester est est, non non: quod autem his abundantius est, a malo est. credimus enim tanti transgressionem praecepti nulla conpensari posse iustitia, nec in extremis recte cedere quod malo initio semel fuerit inchoatum.
Germanus: “As far as our desire is concerned, which we have taken up for the sake of spiritual benefit, we would wish to be edified by continual fellowship with you. For if we return to our coenobium, it is certain that we will not only fall away from so sublime a purpose, but will also be shaken by many losses because of the mediocrity of the way of life there. But that gospel command frightens us greatly: “Let your word be yes, yes; no, no; for whatever is more than these is from evil.” For we believe that the transgression of so great a precept cannot be compensated by any righteousness, and that what has once been begun with an evil beginning cannot turn out well in the end.”
Matt 5:37 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Germanus wants to stay but fears Christ’s command to let one’s yes be yes, believing that nothing begun with a broken promise can end well.
- Matt 5:37.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (word split in the digital text): abundan tius → abundantius.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.10 (CSEL 13:471; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.11CSEL 13:471
IOSEPH: In omnibus ut diximus causis non processus operis, sed uoluntas operantis est intuenda, nec statim quis quid egerit, sed quo uoto egerit inquirendum, ita ut nonnullos pro his factis de quibus bona postea orta sunt repperiamus fuisse damnatos et e contrario quosdam per reprehensibiles actus ad summam peruenisse iustitiam. et nec illi utilis rerum exitus profuit qui pessimo rem adgressus proposito non illam quae subsecuta est utilitatem, sed quiddam contrarium uoluit operari, nec huic nocuit reprehensibiliter inchoasse qui non pro contemptu dei nec delinquendi proposito, sed necessarii et sancti finis intuitu uituperabilis initii sustinuit necessitatem.
Joseph: “In all cases, as we have said, it is not the outcome of the deed but the will of the doer that must be considered, and we must ask not at once what anyone has done but with what intention he has done it. So we find that some were condemned for deeds from which good afterward arose, and on the contrary that some reached the highest righteousness through blameworthy acts. The useful outcome of events did not profit the one who, undertaking the thing with the worst purpose, wished to accomplish not the benefit that followed but something contrary to it; nor did it harm the other to have begun blameworthily, who endured the necessity of a censurable beginning not out of contempt for God or a purpose of sinning, but in view of a necessary and holy end.
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Summary: Joseph teaches that intention, not outcome, determines the moral worth of an act.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (two words joined in the digital text): quisquid → quis quid.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.11 (CSEL 13:471; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.12CSEL 13:471–473
Et ut haec eadem sanctarum scripturarum dilucidemus exemplis, quid salubrius, quid utilius uniuerso orbi potuit procurari quam dominicae passionis salutare remedium? et tamen non solum non profuit, uerum etiam in tantum illi obfuit traditori cuius ministerio probatur inpletum, ut absolute de illo pronuntietur: bonum erat ei si natus non fuisset homo ille. non enim secundum hoc quod euenit fructus illi est sui operis repensandus, sed secundum id quod facere uoluit uel effecturum esse se credidit. et rursum quid criminosius dolo atque mendacio etiam in extraneum, ne dixerim in germanum patremne conmisso? et tamen non solum nullam pro his damnationem aut reprehensionem Iacob patriarcha contraxit, uerum etiam perpetua benedictionis hereditate ditatus est. nec inmerito, quia et iste benedictionem primogenitis destinatam non ex praesentis lucri auaritia, sed ex fide sanctificationis perpetuae concupiuit, et ille non humanae salutis obtentu, sed filargyriae crimine morti tradidit omnium redemptorem. et idcirco utrique eorum fructus operationis suae secundum destinationem mentis ac propositum uoluntatis adscriptus est, qua nec ille fraudem nec iste salutem statuit operari. illud enim pro retributione mercedis iuste unicuique repensatur quod principaliter mente conceperit, non quod exinde uel bene uel male contra uotum operantis emerserit. ideoque iustissimus iudex excusabilem, immo laudabilem talis mendacii censuit praesumptorem, quia sine eo ad benedictionem primitiuorum non poterat peruenire, nec debuit in crimen uocari quod desiderio benedictionis exortum est. alioquin non modo iniquus in fratrem patriarcha praedictus, sed etiam circumuentor in patrem et sacrilegus extitisset, si habens aliam uiam qua ad benedictionis illius gratiam perueniret hanc quae fratri damnosa esset ac noxia expetere maluisset. uidetis igitur apud deum non processum operis, sed destinationem mentis inquiri. his itaque praestructis ut ad propositam quaestionem ob quam haec uniuersa praemissa sunt reuertamur, respondeatis mihi primitus uelim, cuius rei causa uos illius sponsionis nexibus uinxeritis.
“And to illustrate these same things by examples from the Holy Scriptures: what more wholesome, what more useful could have been obtained for the whole world than the saving remedy of the Lord’s passion? And yet it not only did not profit the traitor by whose agency it is shown to have been accomplished, but even harmed him so much that it is declared of him absolutely: “It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.” For the fruit of his work is to be repaid to him not according to what came about, but according to what he wished to do or believed he would bring about. And again, what is more criminal than deceit and lying committed even against a stranger, not to say against a brother and father? And yet the patriarch Jacob not only incurred no condemnation or blame for these things, but was even enriched with the everlasting inheritance of the blessing. And rightly, since he desired the blessing destined for the firstborn not out of greed for present gain but out of faith in everlasting sanctification, while the other betrayed the redeemer of all to death not for the sake of human salvation but through the crime of avarice. And therefore to each of them the fruit of his action was ascribed according to the aim of his mind and the purpose of his will, by which neither did the one intend to commit fraud nor the other to work salvation. For what is justly repaid to each in reward is what he principally conceived in his mind, not what came of it afterward, whether well or ill, contrary to the wish of the doer. And therefore the most just judge considered the one who presumed to such a lie excusable, or rather praiseworthy, because without it he could not reach the blessing of the firstborn, and what arose from desire for the blessing ought not to be called a crime. Otherwise the said patriarch would have been not only unjust to his brother but also a deceiver of his father and sacrilegious, if, having another way by which he could reach the grace of that blessing, he had preferred to seek this one, which was damaging and harmful to his brother. You see, then, that with God it is not the outcome of the act but the aim of the mind that is examined. With these foundations laid, to return to the question put, for the sake of which all this has been said beforehand, I would like you first to answer me: for what reason did you bind yourselves with the bonds of that promise?”
Matt 26:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 27:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 27:28 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Judas was condemned though his act served salvation, while Jacob’s deceit of his father was blessed because of his intention; God judges the aim of the mind, and Joseph asks why they made their promise.
- Matt 26:24; Gen 27:1–29.
- Joseph’s judgment that Jacob’s lie was excusable, even praiseworthy, because of his intention is translated as written; it is part of the teaching on permitted deception developed later in this conference.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (a for u); OCR slip (n for u); OCR slip and stray letter; OCR slips and words joined; two words joined in the digital text): illiobfuit → illi obfuit; at absolute → ut absolute; sinatnsnon → si natus non; uolnit I uel → uoluit uel; criminosins → criminosius.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.12 (CSEL 13:471–473; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.13CSEL 13:473
GERMANVS: Prima ut diximus extitit causa, qua nostros maestificare seniores ac praeceptis eorum obsistere uerebamur, secunda, qua, si quid perfectum atque magnificum uel uisu uel auditu percepissemus a uobis, cum reuersi ad coenobium fuissemus, exercere nos posse inconsultissima persuasione credidimus.
Germanus: “The first cause, as we said, was that we were afraid to sadden our elders and to resist their commands; the second, that we believed, with a most ill-considered conviction, that if we had received anything perfect and magnificent from you by sight or hearing, we could practise it when we had returned to the coenobium.”
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Summary: Germanus says they promised in order not to grieve their elders, and because they wrongly thought they could practise at home what they learned in Egypt.
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.13 (CSEL 13:473; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.14CSEL 13:473–474
IOSEPH: Sicut praefati sumus, destinatio mentis uel remuneratur hominem uel condemnat secundum illud: et inter se inuicem cogitationibus accusantibus aut etiam defendentibus, in die qua iudicabit deus occulta hominum, illud etiam: ego autem opera et cogitationes eorum uenio ut congregem cum omnibus gentibus et linguis. quamobrem desiderio perfectionis, ut uideo, hoc uos sacramenti uinculo conligastis, dum creditis illo eam posse ordine conprehendi quo nunc superueniente pleniore iudicio ad sublimitatem eius conscendi non posse perspicitis. non ergo praeiudicat quidquid discrepans ab illa dispositione uisum fuerit accidisse, si modo nulla principalis illius propositi diuersitas subsequatur. neque enim opificii cuiusquam desertio est demutatio ferramenti aut segnitiam arguit uiatoris uiae conpendiosioris ac directioris electio: ita igitur et in hac parte emendatio dispositionis inprouidae non spiritalis uoti est iudicanda transgressio. quidquid enim pro caritate dei et pietatis amore perficitur, quae promissionem habet uitae quae nunc est et futurae, tametsi duris atque aduersis uideatur principiis inchoari, non solum nulla reprehensione, sed etiam laude dignissimum est. et idcirco nihil praeiudicat refragatio sponsionis incautae, si quolibet genere scopos tantum, id est proposita pietatis destinatio teneatur. omnia namque ob hoc agimus, ut deo corio mundum exhibere possimus: cuius consummatio si in his locis facilior iudicatur, nihil uobis oberit extortae mutatio pactionis, dummodo principalis illius perfectio puritatis, pro qua sponsio uestra processerat, secundum domini uoluntatem maturius adquiratur.
Joseph: “As we said before, the aim of the mind either rewards a man or condemns him, according to the saying: “their thoughts among themselves accusing or else defending them, on the day when God will judge the secrets of men,” and also this: “But I come to gather their works and thoughts, with all nations and tongues.” Therefore, as I see, you bound yourselves with the bond of this oath out of desire for perfection, believing that it could be grasped in that way; now, a fuller judgment having come, you perceive that its height cannot be reached in that way. Whatever, then, seems to have happened in disagreement with that arrangement is no prejudice, provided that no change in that principal purpose follows. For a change of tools is not desertion of the work, nor does the choice of a shorter and more direct road argue sloth in the traveler. So in this matter too the correction of an improvident arrangement must not be judged a transgression of the spiritual vow. For whatever is done for the love of God and devotion to godliness, which “has the promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come,” even if it seems to begin with hard and adverse beginnings, is worthy not only of no blame but even of the highest praise. And therefore the breaking of an incautious promise does no harm, if in whatever way the scopos, that is, the proposed goal of godliness, is kept. For we do everything for this, that we may be able to show God a clean heart; if its perfecting is judged easier in these places, the change of the agreement wrung from you will do you no harm, provided only that the perfection of that principal purity for which your promise was made is acquired more quickly, according to the Lord’s will.
Rom 2:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 2:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Isa 66:18 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Since they made their promise from desire for perfection, and that same desire is better served by staying, breaking it keeps the true goal, a pure heart, and is not a breach of their spiritual vow.
- Rom 2:15–16; Isa 66:18; 1 Tim 4:8. Scopos, “goal,” is the term used throughout the Conferences (see 1.2–1.4).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (n for u); OCR slip (t for f); OCR slips; stray letter in the digital text): uiucuio → uinculo; opiticii → opificii; aut s segnitiam → aut segnitiam; inpronidae → inprouidae; nati est indicanda → uoti est iudicanda; coios → cuius.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.14 (CSEL 13:473–474; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.15CSEL 13:474
GERMANVS: Quantum spectat ad uim sermonum qui rationabiliter prudenterque digesti sunt, haud difficile sponsionis nostrae scrupulus a nobis potuisset extrudi, nisi illud nos uehementissime deterreret, quod infirmioribus quibusque intromitti per haec uidetur exempla occasio mentiendi, si ullo modo pacti fidem licito dissolui posse cognouerint, quippe cum tantis hoc ipsum et tam minacibus interdicatur eloquiis propheta dicente: perdes omnes, qui loquuntur mendacium, et: os quod mentitur, occidet animam.
Germanus: “As far as the force of your words, which have been set out reasonably and wisely, is concerned, the scruple of our promise could easily have been driven out of us, were it not that this frightens us most vehemently: that by such examples an occasion for lying seems to be opened to the weaker, if they learn that the faith of an agreement can in any way be lawfully dissolved, since this very thing is forbidden by such great and threatening words, as the prophet says: “You will destroy all who speak a lie,” and: “The mouth that lies kills the soul.”
Ps 5:6 (5:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Germanus objects that such teaching would give the weak an excuse to lie, which Scripture sternly forbids.
- Ps 5:6 (LXX 5:7); Wis 1:11.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (08 for os); OCR slip (e for s); stray marks in the digital text): si ullo modo,. pacti → si ullo modo pacti; poese → posse; quippe eam tantis → quippe cum tantis; 08 quod → os quod.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:11 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.15 (CSEL 13:474; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.16CSEL 13:474–475
JOSEPH: Occasiones causaeque perditionum his qui perituri sunt, immo qui perire desiderant, deesse non possunt. neque enim abicienda sunt testimonia scripturarum ac de suo corpore penitus abradenda, quibus uel haereticorum prauitas animatur uel Iudaeorum infidelitas obduratur uel tumor sapientiae gentilis offenditur, sed utique et pie credenda et inmobiliter sunt tenenda et secundum ueritatis regulam praedicanda. et idcirco non debemus alienae infidelitatis obtentu οἰκονομίας id est dispensationes prophetarum atque sanctorum quas scriptura conmemorat abdicare, ne, dum infirmitati eorum condescendere debere nos credimus, non solum mendacii, uerum etiam sacrilegii crimine polluamur: sed quemadmodum diximus oportet nos ea et secundum historiam confiteri et quemadmodum pie gesta sint explanare. ceterum his qui praui propositi sunt non ex hoc mentiendi aditus obstruetur, si earum rerum quas uel prolaturi sumus uel protulimus ueritatem aut penitus abnegare aut extenuare allegoricis interpretationibus laboremus. quid enim illis horum testimoniorum nocebit auctoritas, quibus etiam sola corruptio uoluntatis sufficit ad peccandum?
Joseph: Occasions and causes of perdition cannot be lacking to those who are going to perish, or rather who wish to perish. For the testimonies of Scripture are not to be thrown away and scraped entirely off its body because by them the depravity of heretics is encouraged, or the unbelief of the Jews hardened, or the conceit of pagan wisdom offended; rather they are certainly to be believed with piety, held without wavering, and preached according to the rule of truth. And therefore we ought not, on the pretext of other people's unbelief, to disown the oikonomiai, that is, the dispensations of the prophets and saints which Scripture records, lest, while we think we ought to condescend to their weakness, we be defiled with the crime not only of lying but also of sacrilege. But, as we have said, we must both acknowledge them according to the history and explain how they were done piously. Besides, for those of perverse purpose the way to lying will not be blocked if we labour either to deny altogether or to weaken by allegorical interpretations the truth of the things we are going to bring forward or have brought forward. For what harm will the authority of these testimonies do to them, when the mere corruption of their will suffices for sinning?
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Summary: Abba Joseph argues that the Old Testament accounts of saints' “dispensations” must not be denied or allegorized away merely because some misuse them.
- Conference 17 is Abba Joseph's second conference, on keeping or abandoning resolutions and promises; from 17.14 onward he discusses whether a holy person may ever deceive. His teaching on “dispensations” (useful deception) is translated exactly; Cassian's view was later contested, e.g. by Augustine, who held that every lie is sin.
- Oikonomiai (Greek in the text): “dispensations,” acts of deception or accommodation done for a good end.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR letter; OCR letters; hyphenation and stray mark): inhdelitatis → infidelitatis; scrip-. tura → scriptura; pollaamur → polluamur; prani → praui; remm → rerum.
Topics: Ethics, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.16 (CSEL 13:474–475; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.17CSEL 13:475–477
Itaque taliter de mendacio sentiendum atque ita eo utendum est, quasi natura ei insit ellebori. quod si inminente exitiali morbo sumptum fuerit, fit salubre, ceterum absque summi discriminis necessitate perceptum praesentis exitii est. ita namque etiam sanctos ac probatissimos deo uiros utiliter legimus usos fuisse mendacio, ut non solum nullum ex hoc peccati crimen incurrerint, uerum etiam summam sint iustitiam consecuti: quibus si gloriam potuit conferre fallacia, quid eis e contrario nisi condemnationem ueritas intulisset? sicut Raab, cuius cum non solum nulla uirtutum, sed etiam inpudicitiae monumenta scriptura conmemoret, pro solo mendacio, quo exploratores maluit occultare quam prodere, admisceri populo dei aeterna benedictione promeruit. quae si ueritatem loqui aut saluti ciuium consulere maluisset, nulli dubium quod nec inminentem cum uniuersa domo sua fugisset interitum nec auctoribus dominicae natiuitatis inserta et in patriarcharum adnumerata catalogo per successionem suae prolis edere meruisset omnium saluatorem. denique Dalila, quae utilitati ciuium consulens exploratam prodidit ueritatem, perpetuae perditionis uicissitudinem consecuta solam criminis sui cunctis memoriam dereliquit. quando ergo graue aliquod inminet de ueritatis confessione discrimen, tunc mendaciorum sunt recipienda perfugia, ita tamen ut reatu humilis conscientiae salubriter mordeamur. ubi autem nulla conditio summae necessitatis incumbit, omni cautione mendacium uelut mortiferum deuitandum est: quemadmodum de ellebori diximus potu, quod salubre est quidem si tunc demum sumatur cum ineuitabilis atque mortifera inminet aegritudo, sin uero integra et inperturbata corporis sanitate sumatur, statim ad praeoccupanda uitalia uis perniciosa pertendit. quod de Raab Hierichuntina et de Iacob patriarcha euidenter ostensum est, e quibus nec illa mortem alias quam hoc remedio potuisset euadere nec iste ad benedictionem primogeniti peruenire. non enim deus uerborum tantum actuumque nostrorum discussor et iudex, sed etiam propositi ac destinationis inspector est. qui si quid causa salutis aeternae ac diuinae contemplationis intuitu ab unoquoque uel factum uiderit uel promissum, tametsi hominibus durum atque iniquum esse uideatur, ille tamen intimam cordis inspiciens pietatem non uerborum sonum, sed uotum diiudicat uoluntatis, quia finis operis et adfectus considerandus est perpetrantis, quo potest quis, ut supra dictum est, etiam per mendacium iustificari et alius per ueritatis adsertionem peccatum perpetuae mortis incurrere. ad quem finem etiam Iacob patriarcha respiciens hispidam fraterni corporis speciem obuolutione pellium simulare non timuit et instiganti ad hoc mendacium matri laudabiliter adquieuit. uidebat enim ex hoc maiora sibi lucra benedictionis atque iustitiae quam per simplicitatis obseruantiam conferenda. non enim dubitabat mendacii huius maculam inundatione paternae benedictionis protinus abluendam et uelut nubiculam quandam flatu sancti spiritus uelociter absumendam, atque uberiora sibi per hanc adfectaticiam simulationem quam per illam ingenitam ueritatem meritorum praemia conferenda.
So we must think of lying, and use it, as if it had the nature of hellebore: if it is taken when a deadly illness threatens, it becomes healthful, but if it is taken without the necessity of extreme danger, it brings instant death. For so we read that holy men, most approved by God, used lying to good effect, so that not only did they incur no guilt of sin from it, but even attained the highest righteousness. And if deceit could bring them glory, what would truth have brought them instead but condemnation? So Rahab: although Scripture records of her no memorials of virtue, but even of unchastity, yet for the lie alone by which she chose to hide the spies rather than betray them, she deserved to be joined to the people of God with an everlasting blessing. If she had chosen to speak the truth or to look to the safety of her fellow citizens, no doubt she would not have escaped, with her whole house, the destruction that threatened, nor, inserted among the ancestors of the Lord's birth and counted in the list of the patriarchs, would she have deserved to bring forth the Saviour of all through the succession of her offspring. Delilah, on the other hand, who looked to the advantage of her fellow citizens and betrayed the truth she had found out, obtained in return everlasting perdition and left to all only the memory of her crime. When, therefore, some grave danger threatens from confessing the truth, then we must take refuge in lies, yet in such a way that we are wholesomely pricked by the guilt of a humble conscience. But where no condition of extreme necessity presses, a lie must be avoided with all care as something deadly, as we said of drinking hellebore: it is healthful if it is taken only when an unavoidable and deadly sickness threatens, but if it is taken while the body is whole and undisturbed in health, its harmful force goes at once to seize the vital parts. This is plainly shown in Rahab of Jericho and in the patriarch Jacob: she could not have escaped death otherwise than by this remedy, nor could he have attained the blessing of the firstborn. For God is the examiner and judge not only of our words and acts but also the inspector of our purpose and intention. If he sees that something has been done or promised by anyone for the sake of eternal salvation and with a view to divine contemplation, even though it seems hard and unjust to men, he, looking at the inward piety of the heart, judges not the sound of the words but the wish of the will; for the end of the work and the disposition of the doer must be considered, by which, as was said above, one may be justified even through a lie, and another, by asserting the truth, incur the sin of eternal death. Looking to this end, the patriarch Jacob too did not fear to imitate the hairy appearance of his brother's body by wrapping himself in skins, and he laudably obeyed his mother, who urged him to this lie. For he saw that greater gains of blessing and righteousness would come to him by this than by keeping to simplicity. For he did not doubt that the stain of this lie would at once be washed away by the flood of his father's blessing, and quickly dispersed like a little cloud by the breath of the Holy Spirit, and that richer rewards of merit would be conferred on him through this assumed pretence than through that inborn truthfulness.
Josh 2:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Josh 2:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Josh 6:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 1:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Judg 16:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 27:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 27:13 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Sam 16:7 (echo, medium confidence)
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Summary: Joseph compares lying to hellebore, a poison that heals only in extreme need, and cites Rahab and Jacob as saints who lied for a good end.
- Joseph's teaching that a lie may be justified in extreme necessity is translated exactly; it is Cassian's own position, stated through Joseph. Hellebore was a poisonous plant used in ancient medicine.
- Rahab in the genealogy of Christ: Matt 1:5. Delilah: Judg 16.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR letter; OCR letters; stray period): natura. ei → natura ei; sioit → sicut; maluit. occultare → maluit occultare; neritatem → ueritatem; ant saluti → aut saluti; grane → graue; inmmet → inminet; neLut → uelut; salntis → salutis; eontemplationis → contemplationis; adquienit → adquieuit.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.17 (CSEL 13:475–477; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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17.18CSEL 13:477–478
GERMANVS: Non mirum est has dispensationes in ueteri testamento probabiliter usurpatas ac nonnumquam uiros sanctos laudabiliter uel certe ueniabiliter fuisse mentitos, cum multo maiora eis pro temporum rudimentis licuisse uideamus. cur enim mirum sit, quod beatus Dauid fugiens Saulem percontanti Abimelech sacerdoti atque dicenti: quare tu solus, et nullus est tecum? ita respondit: rex, inquit, praecepit mihi sermonem, et dixit: nemo sciat rem, propter quam missus es: nam et pueris condixi in illum et illum locum, et iterum: si habes hic ad manum hastam, aut gladium? quia gladium meum, et arma mea non tuli mecum. sermo enim regis urguebat, uel illud, cum perductus ad Achis regem Geth insanum furiosumque simulauit ac mutauit os suum coram eis, et conlabebatur inter manus eorum: et inpingebat in ostium portae, defluebantque saliuae eius in barbam, cum etiam uxorum concubinarumque gregibus licito fruerentur nec ullum eis inputaretur ex hac parte peccatum, insuper etiam inimicorum sanguinem propria manu frequenter effunderent idque non solum non reprehensibile, uerum etiam laudabile crederetur? quae ita nunc euangelio coruscante uidemus omnimodis interdicta, ut sine ingenti crimine ac sacrilegio horum quicquam non possit admitti. in quem modum nec mendacium ullum quamlibet pio colore contectum, non dicam probabiliter, sed nec ueniabiliter a quoquam credimus usurpari dicente domino: sit sermo uester est est, non non: quod autem his abundantius est, a malo est, apostolo quoque in eadem congruente: et nolite mentiri inuicem.
Germanus: It is not surprising that these dispensations were fittingly employed in the Old Testament, and that holy men sometimes lied laudably, or at least pardonably, since we see that much greater things were allowed them because of the rudimentary state of those times. For why should it be surprising that blessed David, fleeing from Saul, when the priest Abimelech asked him, “Why are you alone, and no one with you?”, answered thus: “The king,” he said, “has given me a command and said: Let no one know the matter for which you have been sent; for I have appointed the young men to such and such a place”; and again: “Have you here at hand a spear or a sword? For I have not brought my sword and my weapons with me, for the king's business was urgent”; or that, when he was brought to Achish king of Gath, he feigned madness and frenzy and changed his countenance before them, and fell down between their hands, and struck against the door of the gate, and his spittle ran down upon his beard? For they even lawfully enjoyed flocks of wives and concubines, and no sin was imputed to them on this account; moreover they often shed the blood of their enemies with their own hand, and this was believed to be not only not blameworthy but even praiseworthy. Now that the gospel shines, we see these things so wholly forbidden that none of them can be done without great crime and sacrilege. In the same way we believe that no lie, however covered with a pious colour, can be used by anyone, I will not say fittingly, but not even pardonably, since the Lord says: “Let your speech be yes, yes; no, no; whatever is more than these is from evil”, and the apostle agrees with this: “And do not lie to one another.”
1 Sam 21:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 21:2 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 21:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 21:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:37 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:9 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Germanus objects that deceptions allowed in the Old Testament, like David's, are forbidden under the gospel, which rules out every lie.
- 1 Sam 21 is quoted in the Latin form; Cassian's Latin has the king of Gath as Achis (Achish).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR letter; OCR letters; stray period): GERKANVS → GERMANVS; urgnebat → urguebat; mutaait → mutauit; uilam eis inputaretur ei hac → ullum eis inputaretur ex hac; reprehensibile. uerum → reprehensibile, uerum; ullum. quamlibet → ullum quamlibet.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.18 (CSEL 13:477–478; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).
17.19CSEL 13:478–481
IOSEPH: Uxorum quidem concubinarumque multarum antiqua illa libertas instante iam temporum fine et multiplicatione humanae generationis expleta non inmerito uelut minus iam necessaria per euangelicam perfectionem debuit amputari nam usque ad aduentum Christi oportuit benedictionem primordialis illius uigere sententiae qua dictum est: crescite et multiplicamini, et replete terram. et idcirco iustissimum fuit, ut ex illa radice fecunditatis humanae, quae in synagoga pro dispensatione temporis utiliter uiguit, angelicae uirginitatis flosculi germinarent ac suaue olentes continentiae fructus in ecclesia gignerentur. mendacia uero etiam tunc fuisse damnata totius ueteris instrumenti textus euidenter ostendit dicens: perdes omnes, qui loquuntur mendacium, et iterum: suauis est homini panis mendacii: et postea replebitur os eius calculo, et ipse legislator mendacium, inquit, fugies. sed tunc demum id probabiliter diximus usurpatum, cum ei necessitas aliqua seu dispensatio salutaris adiuncta est, ob quam non debuerit condemnari. quale est illud quod conmemorastis de Dauid rege, cum fugiens insectationem Saulis iniustam ad Abimelech sacerdotem non proposito cuiusdam lucri nec studio laedendi quempiam, sed ut tantummodo semet ipsum ab inpiissima eius insectatione saluaret, mendacibus utitur uerbis, quippe qui manus suas inimici regis sanguine et quidem a deo sibi totiens traditi contaminare noluerit dicens: propitius mihi sit deus, ne faciam rem hanc domino meo, christo domini, ut mittam manum meam in eum, quia christus domini est. et idcirco dispensationes has quas uel ob uoluntatem dei uel ob praefigurationem spiritalium sacramentorum uel ob quorundam salutem sanctos uiros in ueteri testamento legimus exsecutos, in tantum nos quoque, cum necessitas coartauerit, non possumus abdicare, ut ne ipsos quidem apostolos, ubi consideratio alicuius utilitatis exegit, ab eis declinasse cernamus. quae paulisper interim differentes digestis primitus quae adhuc de ueteri testamento proferre disponimus post haec congruentius inferemus, ut facilius adprobetur uiros iustos et sanctos tam in nouo quam in ueteri testamento in his oeconomiis sibi per omnia concordasse. quid enim de illa Chusi ad Absalom pro salute regis Dauid pia simulatione dicemus, quae cum tota fallentis et circumuenientis promatur affectu et utilitatem consulentis inpugnet, scripturae diuinae testimonio conprobatur ita dicentis: domini autem nutu dissipatum est consilium Achitofel utile, ut induceret dominus super Absalom malum? nec enim reprehendi poterat id quod recto proposito ac pio iudicio pro iustis partibus gerebatur ac pro illius cuius pietas deo placebat salute atque uictoria religiosa fuerat simulatione conceptum. quid etiam de illius feminae pronuntiabimus facto, quae suscipiens illos qui ad regem Dauid a praedicto Chusi fuerant destinati abscondit in puteo et expandens uelamen super os eius, cum ptisanas se torrere simulasset, transierunt, inquit, gustata paululum aqua, atque hoc eos figmento ab insequentium manibus liberauit? quapropter respondete quaeso mihi, quid fuissetis acturi, si qua nobis nunc sub euangelio constitutis similis fuisset exorta condicio: utrumnam maluissetis eos simili celare mendacio dicentes eodem modo: transierunt gustata paululum aqua, et inplere illud quod praecipitur: erue eos, qui ducuntur ad mortem: et redime eos qui interficiuntur, ne parcas, an ueritatis confessione latitantes prodere perempturis? et ubi illud apostoli: nemo quod suum est quaerat, sed quod alterius, et: caritas non quaerit quae sua sunt, sed ea quae aliorum, ac de se ipso: non quaero, inquit, quod mihi utile est sed quod multis, ut salui fiant? si enim ea quae nostra sunt quaerimus et id quod nobis utile est pertinaciter uolumus retentare, etiam in huiusmodi necessitatibus loqui nos necesse est ueritatem et reos fieri mortis alienae: si uero ea quae aliis salutaria sunt nostris utilitatibus praeponentes apostolico satisfecerimus imperio, sine dubio subeunda est nobis necessitas mentiendi. et idcirco nec integra caritatis uiscera possidere nec ea quae aliorum sunt secundum apostolicam disciplinam quaerere poterimus, nisi his quae districtioni nostrae perfectionique conueniunt paululum relaxatis condescendere utilitatibus aliorum prono maluerimus affectu et ita cum apostolo infirmis efficiamur infirmi, ut lucrari possimus infirmos.
Joseph: That ancient freedom of many wives and concubines, now that the end of the times was approaching and the multiplication of the human race was complete, was rightly to be cut off by gospel perfection as no longer so necessary. For until the coming of Christ the blessing of that primordial sentence had to remain in force, in which it was said: “Increase and multiply and fill the earth.” And therefore it was most just that from that root of human fruitfulness, which flourished usefully in the synagogue according to the dispensation of the time, the little flowers of angelic virginity should spring, and the sweet-smelling fruits of continence should be produced in the church. But that lies were condemned even then the whole text of the Old Testament plainly shows, saying: “You will destroy all who speak a lie”; and again: “The bread of lying is sweet to a man, but afterwards his mouth will be filled with gravel”; and the lawgiver himself says: “You shall flee a lie.” But we said that it was fittingly used only when some necessity or saving dispensation was joined to it, on account of which it ought not to be condemned. Such is what you mentioned about King David, when, fleeing Saul's unjust persecution, he used lying words to the priest Abimelech, not with the aim of any gain or with the wish to harm anyone, but only to save himself from his most wicked persecution; for he would not defile his hands with the blood of the hostile king, though God had so often delivered him to him, saying: “God be merciful to me, that I should not do this thing to my lord, the Lord's anointed, to lay my hand upon him, for he is the Lord's anointed.” And therefore these dispensations, which we read that holy men carried out in the Old Testament either because of God's will, or to prefigure spiritual mysteries, or for the salvation of certain persons, we too cannot disown when necessity presses, so much so that we see that not even the apostles themselves avoided them where the consideration of some benefit required it. We shall postpone these for a little while, and first set out what we still intend to bring forward from the Old Testament; afterwards we shall add them more fittingly, so that it may be more easily proved that just and holy men, both in the New Testament and in the Old, agreed with one another in all respects in these economies. For what shall we say of that pious pretence of Hushai toward Absalom for the safety of King David? Although it was put forward wholly with the intention of deceiving and circumventing, and fought against the benefit of the one seeking counsel, it is approved by the testimony of divine Scripture, which says: “By the will of the Lord the good counsel of Ahithophel was defeated, that the Lord might bring evil upon Absalom.” For what was done with right purpose and pious judgment for the just side, and devised by a religious pretence for the safety and victory of him whose piety pleased God, could not be blamed. What shall we pronounce also about the deed of that woman who received those who had been sent to King David by the aforesaid Hushai, hid them in a well, spread a covering over its mouth, and pretended that she was roasting barley, and said: “They have passed on, after tasting a little water”; and by this fiction freed them from the hands of their pursuers? Answer me, therefore, I beg you: what would you have done if a similar situation had arisen for us, now set under the gospel? Would you rather have hidden them by a like lie, saying in the same way, “They have passed on, after tasting a little water,” and so fulfilled the command, “Rescue those who are led to death, and do not spare to redeem those who are being killed”; or would you have betrayed those in hiding to those who would kill them by confessing the truth? And where is that saying of the apostle: “Let no one seek his own, but what is another's”; and: “Love does not seek its own things, but those of others”; and of himself: “I do not seek what is profitable to me, but what is profitable to many, that they may be saved”? For if we seek our own things and wish obstinately to keep what is profitable to us, we must speak the truth even in necessities of this kind and become guilty of another's death; but if, putting what is salutary for others before our own advantage, we satisfy the apostle's command, then without doubt we must accept the necessity of lying. And therefore we shall be able neither to possess the heart of love entire nor to seek what is others', according to the apostolic discipline, unless we relax a little what befits our own strictness and perfection and prefer to condescend with a ready affection to the advantage of others, and so with the apostle become weak to the weak, that we may be able to gain the weak.
Gen 1:28 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 5:6 (5:7 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 20:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 23:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Sam 21:2 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Sam 24:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Sam 17:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Sam 15:34 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Sam 17:19 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Sam 17:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 24:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:24 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:33 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 9:22 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Joseph answers that lies were condemned in the Old Testament too, but that deceptions for another's safety, like Hushai's and the woman who hid David's messengers, are right even under the gospel.
- Joseph's argument that one may lie to save someone hiding from killers is translated exactly.
- Joseph's account of polygamy as allowed until the multiplication of the human race was complete is translated as written.
- 1 Sam 24:6 is quoted in the Latin form. “The good counsel of Ahithophel”: 2 Sam 17:14. The woman's well: 2 Sam 17:19–20. “Rescue those who are led to death”: Prov 24:11.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR dropped letters; OCR dropped letters and stray period; OCR letter; OCR letters): Viorum → Uxorum; aignit → uiguit; christo domi, ut → christo domini, ut; christus domi. est → christus domini est; circnmaenientis → circumuenientis; eat nobis → est nobis; idciroo → idcirco.
Cite (SBL): Cassian, Conf. 17.19 (CSEL 13:478–481; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/cassian-conferences/17-4/#p-17-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Petschenig's Latin text (CSEL 13, 1886); compared afterwards with the NPNF² 11 translation (Gibson, 1894), which omits Conference 22 (checked against the Latin only).