Tractates on the Gospel of John 86.1–89.5
Latin text: Migne, PL 35 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 7 (1888).
Chapter 86
86.1PL 35:1849–1851
Merito quæritur quomodo accipiendum sit quod ait Dominus, Vos autem dixi amicos; quia omnia quai cumque audivi a Patre meo, nota feci vobis. Quis enim audeat affirmare vel credere ullum hominum scire omnia quæ cumque a Patre audivit unigenitus Filius; quando ne hoc quidem quisquam capit, quomodo a Patre audiat ullum verbum, cum ipse sit Patris uni cum Verbum? Quid, quod aliquanto post, in hoc ipso tamen sermone, quem post cœnam ante passio nem ad discipulos habuit, Multa, inquit, habeo vo bis dicere; sed non potestis illa portare modo? Quo igitur pacto intellecturi sumus omnia eum nota fecisse discipulis, quæcumque audivit a Patre, cum propterea quædam multa non dicat, quia scit eos modo portare non posse? Sed nimirum quod fa cturus est, fecisse se dicit, qui ea quæ futura sunt fecit. Sicut enim dicit per prophetam, Foderunt manus meas et pedes meos; nec ait, fossuri sunt; velut præterita dicens, et ea tamen futura prædicens: ita et hoc loco ait omnia se nota fecisse discipulis, quæ se novit nota esse factu rum in illa plenitudine scientiae, de qua dicit Apo stolus, Cum autem venerit quod perfectum est, quod ex parte est evacuabitur. Ibi quippe dicit: Nunc scio ex parte, tunc autem cognoscam sicut et cognitus sum; et nunc per speculum in ænigmate, tunc autem facie ad faciem. Nam et ipse Apostolus salvos nos dicit esse factos per lavacrum regenera tionis: qui tamen alio loco, Spe, inquit, salvi facti sumus. Spes autem quæ videtur, non est spes: quod enim videt quis, quid sperat? Si autem quod non videmus speramus, per patientiam exspectamus. Unde etiam ejus coapostolus Petrus: In quem modo, inquit, non videntes creditis; quem cum videritis, exsultabitis gaudio inenarrabili et honorato, percipientes mercedem fidei, salutem anima rum vestrarum. Si ergo nunc tempus est fidei, salus autem animarum merces est fidei; quis dubitet in fide, quæ per dilectionem operatur, peragendum diem, atque in fine diei recipiendam esse mercedem, non solum redemptionem corporis nostri, de qua dicit apostolus Paulus; verum etiam salutem animarum no strarum, de qua dicit Apostolus Petrus? Utriusque enim rei felicitas isto tempore atque in hac mortali late in spe potius habetur, quam in re tenetur. Verum hoc interest, quod exterior noster homo, id est corpus, adhuc corrumpitur; interior autem, id est anima, jam renovatur de die in diem. Itaque sicut immortalitatem carnis et salutem ani marum futuram exspectamus, quamvis jam pignore accepto salvi facti esse dicamur; ita omnium notitiam quæcumque Unigenitus audivit a Patre, futuram spe rare debemus, quamvis hoc jam se fecisse dixerit Christus.
It is rightly asked how we are to take what the Lord says: "But I have called you friends, because all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you." For who would dare to affirm or believe that any human being knows all that the only-begotten Son has heard from the Father, when no one even grasps how he hears any word from the Father, since he himself is the Father's only Word? What of the fact that somewhat later, in this same discourse which he held with his disciples after supper before his passion, he says, "I have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now"? How then are we to understand that he made known to the disciples all that he heard from the Father, when he does not say many things precisely because he knows they cannot bear them now? But surely he who has made the things that are to be says he has done what he is going to do. For as he says through the prophet, "They dug my hands and my feet" (he does not say, "They will dig"), speaking as of things past and yet foretelling things to come, so in this place too he says that he has made known to the disciples all the things which he knows he will make known in that fullness of knowledge of which the Apostle says, "But when what is perfect has come, what is in part will be done away." For there he says: "Now I know in part, but then I shall know even as I am known; and now through a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face." For the Apostle himself says that we have been saved through the washing of regeneration; yet in another place he says, "In hope we have been saved. But hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience." Hence his fellow apostle Peter too says: "In whom, though you do not see him now, you believe; and when you see him you will rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of honor, receiving the reward of faith, the salvation of your souls." If, then, now is the time of faith, and the salvation of souls is the reward of faith, who can doubt that the day must be spent in the faith that works through love, and that at the end of the day the reward is to be received: not only the redemption of our body, of which the apostle Paul speaks, but also the salvation of our souls, of which the apostle Peter speaks? For the happiness of both in this time and in this mortality is possessed in hope rather than held in reality. But there is this difference: our outer man, that is, the body, is still being corrupted, but the inner, that is, the soul, is already being renewed day by day. So, just as we await the immortality of the flesh and the salvation of souls as future, although, having received the pledge, we are said to have already been saved, so we ought to hope that the knowledge of all that the Only-begotten heard from the Father is still to come, although Christ said that he had already done this.
John 15:15 (quotation, high confidence) · John 16:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 22:16 (21:17 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Titus 3:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 8:25 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 1:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 1:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:23 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 4:16 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ says he has made all things known because he speaks of the future fullness of knowledge as already done, as Scripture speaks of salvation already received in hope.
- John 15:15, John 16:12, Ps 22:16 (LXX 21:17), 1 Cor 13:10, 12, Rom 8:24–25, and 1 Pet 1:8–9 are quoted; Titus 3:5, Gal 5:6, Rom 8:23, and 2 Cor 4:16 are in view.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): feci. vobis → feci vobis; cnm Verbum → cum Verbum; tamcn sermone → tamen sermone; post cnenam → post cœnam; scd non potestis → sed non potestis; omnia eunt nota → omnia eum nota; scit cns modo → scit eos modo; se notn fecisse → se nota fecisse; non eat spes: quod enitn → non est spes: quod enim; ctiam ejus coapostolis → etiam ejus coapostolus; fine dici recipiendam esse mercedcm → fine diei recipiendam esse mercedem; redemption nem → redemptionem; eliam salutem → etiam salutem; I'etrus → Petrus; "erum hoc → Verum hoc; jain renovatur → jam renovatur; dchemus, quamvis boc → debemus, quamvis hoc.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 86.1 (PL 35:1849–1851; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-86-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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86.2PL 35:1851
Non vos me elegistis, inquit, sed ego vos elegi. Hæc est illa ineffabilis gratia. Quid enim eramus quando Christum nondum elegeramus, et ideo non diligebamus? Nam qui eum non elegit, quomodo di ligit? Numquid jam in nobis erat quod in Psalmo ca nitur: Elegi abjectus esse in domo Domini, magis quam habitare in tabernaculis peccatorum? Non utique. Quid ergo eramus, nisi iniqui et perditi? Neque enim jam credideramus in eum, ut eligeret nos: nam si jam credentes elegit, electus elegit. Cur ergo diceret, Non vos me elegistis, nisi quia mi sericordia ejus prævenit nos? Hic certe vacat vana illorum ratiocinatio, qui pra scientiam Dei defendunt contra gratiam Dei, et ideo dicunt nos electos ante mundi constitutionem, quia præscivit nos Deus futuros bo nos, non seipsum nos facturum bonos. Non hoc dicit, qui dicit, Non vos me elegistis. Quoniam si propterea nos elegisset, quia bonos futuros esse nos præsciverat; simul etiam præscisset quod eum non fuissemus prius electuri. Non enim aliter esse posse nius boni: nisi forte dicendus est bonus qui non ele git bonum. Quid ergo elegit in non bonis? Non enim electi sunt quia boni fuerant, qui boni non essent nisi electi essent. Alioquin gratia jam non est gratia, si præcessisse contendimus merita. Hæc quippe electio gratiæ est, de qua dicit Apostolus: Sic ergo et in hoc tempore reliquiæ per electionem gratiæ salvæ factæ sunt. Unde subjungit: Si autem gratia, jam non ex operi bus; alioquin gratia jam non est gratia. Audi, ingrate, audi: Non vos me elegistis, sed ego elegi vos. Non est ut dicas, Ideo electus sum, quia jam credebam. Si enim credebas in eum, jam elegeras eum. Sed audi: Non vos me elegistis. Non est ut dicas, Antequam crederem, jam bona opera bar, ideo electus sum. Quid enim est boni operis ante fidem, cum dicat Apostolus, Omne quod non est ex fide, peccatum est? Quid ergo dicturi sumus audiendo, Non vos me elegistis; nisi quia mali eramus et electi sumus, ut boni per gratiam nos eli gentis essemus? Non est enim gratia, si praecesserant merita: est autem gratia; hæc igitur non invenit, sed effecit merita.
"You did not choose me," he says, "but I chose you." This is that ineffable grace. For what were we when we had not yet chosen Christ, and therefore did not love him? For one who has not chosen him, how does he love him? Was there already in us what is sung in the Psalm: "I have chosen to be cast down in the house of the Lord rather than to dwell in the tents of sinners"? Certainly not. What then were we, but wicked and lost? For we had not yet believed in him, so that he might choose us; for if he chose us when we already believed, he chose as one who had first been chosen. Why then would he say, "You did not choose me," unless because his mercy went before us? Here surely the vain reasoning of those falls flat who defend the foreknowledge of God against the grace of God, and therefore say that we were chosen before the foundation of the world because God foreknew that we would be good, not that he himself would make us good. He does not say this who says, "You did not choose me." For if he had chosen us because he had foreknown that we would be good, he would at the same time also have foreknown that we would not choose him first. For in no other way could we be good, unless perhaps one is to be called good who has not chosen the good. What then did he choose in those who were not good? For they were not chosen because they had been good, who would not have been good unless they had been chosen. Otherwise grace is no longer grace, if we contend that merits came first. For this is the election of grace, of which the Apostle says: "So too at the present time a remnant has been saved by the election of grace." Whence he adds: "But if by grace, then no longer from works; otherwise grace is no longer grace." Listen, ungrateful one, listen: "You did not choose me, but I chose you." You cannot say, "I was chosen because I already believed." For if you believed in him, you had already chosen him. But listen: "You did not choose me." You cannot say, "Before I believed, I was already doing good works; therefore I was chosen." For what good work is there before faith, since the Apostle says, "Everything that is not of faith is sin"? What then shall we say on hearing, "You did not choose me," except that we were evil and were chosen, so that we might be good by the grace of the one who chose us? For it is not grace if merits came first; but it is grace; so it did not find merits but produced them.
John 15:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 84:10 (83:11 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 59:10 (58:11 LXX) (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 1:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 14:23 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ chose us not because he foresaw our faith or works but by grace, which does not find merits but produces them.
- John 15:16, Ps 84:10 (LXX 83:11), Rom 11:5–6, and Rom 14:23 are quoted; Ps 59:10 and Eph 1:4 are in view. Augustine argues against unnamed opponents who "defend the foreknowledge of God against the grace of God"; the teaching on election is translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): Non vos nil elegistis → Non vos me elegistis; Quid euim eramus → Quid enim eramus; elegemus, et idco → elegeramus, et ideo; qui ema non elegii → qui eum non elegit; nobis crat → nobis erat; iuiqui → iniqui; credideramus in cum → credideramus in eum; jani credentes elegit, electus elegit Cur → jam credentes elegit, electus elegit. Cur; iIic certe → Hic certe; idco dicunt → ideo dicunt; elegissel → elegisset; qnod eum non fuissemus prius eJectuM → quod eum non fuissemus prius electuri; NoM cuiun electi → Non enim electi; conlendinuis → contendimus; Hac quippe electio → Hæc quippe electio; Uude subjungit → Unde subjungit; gralia → gratia; Non tos me elegistis, aed → Non vos me elegistis, sed; eiectus sum → electus sum; credebas' in eum, jain elegeras cum → credebas in eum, jam elegeras eum; non eat ex fide → non est ex fide; electi suinus → electi sumus; Non est euim gratia → Non est enim gratia.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 86.2 (PL 35:1851; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-86-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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86.3PL 35:1851
Et videte, charissimi, quemadmodum non eligat bonos, sed quos elegit, faciat bonos. Ego, inquit, elegi vos, et posui vos ut eatis, et fructum afferatis, et fructus vester maneat. Nonne iste est fructus de quo jam dixe rat, Sine me nihil potestis facere? Elegit ergo, et posuit ut eamus, et fructum afferamus: nullum itaque fructum unde nos eligeret habebamus. Ut eatis, inquit, et fructum afferatis. Imus ut afferamus, et ipse est via qua imus, in qua nos posuit ut eamus. Proinde in omnibus misericordia ejus prævenit nos. Et fructus, inquit, vester maneat: ut quodcumque petieritis Patrem in nomine meo, det vobis. Maneat ergo dilectio; ipsa est enim fructus noster. Quæ dilectio nunc est in de siderio, nondum in saturitate: et ipso desiderio quod cumque petierimus in nomine unigeniti Filii, dat nobis Pater. Quod autem accipere salvandis non expedit nobis, non existimemus nos petere in nomine Salva toris: sed hoc petimus in nomine Salvatoris, quod pertinet ad rationem salutis.
And see, beloved, how he does not choose the good, but makes good those whom he has chosen. "I," he says, "chose you, and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain." Is not this the fruit of which he had already said, "Without me you can do nothing"? He chose us, then, and appointed us to go and bear fruit; so we had no fruit for which he should choose us. "That you should go," he says, "and bear fruit." We go in order to bear fruit, and he himself is the way by which we go, the way in which he has appointed us to go. So in all things his mercy goes before us. "And that your fruit should remain," he says, "so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give you." Let love remain, then; for it is our fruit. This love is now in longing, not yet in fullness; and by that very longing, whatever we ask in the name of the only-begotten Son, the Father gives us. But what it is not good for us to receive, if we are to be saved, let us not think we ask in the name of the Savior; we ask in the name of the Savior what belongs to the principle of salvation.
John 15:16 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:5 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:6 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ makes good those he chooses and appoints them to bear the fruit of love, which remains and through which the Father grants what serves salvation.
- John 15:16 and 15:5 are quoted; John 14:6 is in view.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (broken word)): afferutis → afferatis; EIt'giL → Elegit; nullun. itaque fructum unde noscligerct → nullum itaque fructum unde nos eligeret; ost via → est via; miscricordia → misericordia; prævenit nus → prævenit nos; Mancal ergo dilectio; ipse cst → Maneat ergo dilectio; ipsa est; QuaD → Quæ; dat no- Lis → dat nobis; nou expedit → non expedit.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 86.3 (PL 35:1851; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-86-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 87
87.1PL 35:1851–1853
In lectione evangelica quæ hanc antecedit, dixerat Dominus: Non vos me elegistis; sed ego elegi vos, et posuit vos, ut eatis et fructum afferatis, et fructus vester maneat: ut quodcumque petieritis Patrem in nomine meo, det vo bis. De quibus verbis jam nos quod Dominus dedit, disseruisse meministis. Hic autem dicit, sequenti scilicet lectione, quam modo cum recitaretur, audi stis: Hæc mando vobis, ut diligatis invicem. Ac per hoc intelligere debemus hunc esse fructum nostrum de quo ait, Ego vos elegi ut eatis, et fructum afferatis, et fructus vester maneat. Et quod adjunxit, Ut quodcum que petieritis Patrem in nomine meo, det vobis: tunc utique dabit nobis, si diligamus invicem; cum et hoc ipsum ipse dederit nobis, qui nos elegit non habentes fructum, quia non eum nos elegeramus; et posuit nos ut fructum afferamus, hoc est, invicem diligamus: quem fructum sine illo habere non possumus, sicut palmites facere sine vite nihil possunt. Charitas ergo est fructus noster, quam definit Apostolus, de corde puro et conscientia bona, et fide non ficta. Hac diligimus invicem, hac diligimus Deum. Neque enim vera dilectione diligeremus invicem, nisi dili gentes Deum. Diligit enim unusquisque proximum tanquam seipsum, si diligit Deum: nam si non diligit Deum, non diligit seipsum. In his enim duobus præceptis charitatis tota Lex pendet et Prophetæ: hic est fructus noster. De fructu itaque nobis mandans, Hæc mando, inquit, vobis, ut diligatis invicem. Unde et apostolus Paulus, cum contra opera carnis commendare fructum spiritus vellet, a capite hoc posuit, Fructus, inquit, spiritus charitas est: ac deinde cætera tanquam ex isto capite exorta et rcli gata contexuit, quae sunt, gaudium, pax, longanimitas, benignitas, bonitas, fides, mansuetudo, continentia. Quis autem bene gaudet, qui bonum non diligit unde gaudet? Quis pacem veram, nisi cum illo potest habere quem veraciter diligit? Quis est longanimis in bono perseveranter manendo, nisi ferveat diligen do? Quis est benignus, nisi diligat cui opitulatur? Quis bonus, nisi diligendo efficiatur? Quis salubriter fide lis, nisi ea fide quae per dilectionem operatur? Quis utiliter mansuetus, cui non dilectio moderetur? Quis ab eo continet unde turpatur, nisi diligat unde ho nestatur? Merito itaque magister bonus dilectionem sic sæpe commendat, tanquam sola præcipienda sit, sine qua non possunt prodesse cætera bona, et quæ non potest haberi sine cæteris bonis, quibus homo efficitur bonus.
In the Gospel reading that precedes this one the Lord had said: "You did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give you." You remember that we have already discussed these words as the Lord granted. But here, in the following reading, which you have just heard read, he says: "These things I command you, that you love one another." And by this we ought to understand that this is our fruit of which he says, "I chose you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain." And as to what he added, "so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give you," he will certainly give it to us then, if we love one another; since he has given us this very thing too, he who chose us when we had no fruit, because we had not chosen him, and appointed us to bear fruit, that is, to love one another: a fruit we cannot have without him, as branches can do nothing without the vine. Love, then, is our fruit, which the Apostle defines as "from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith." By this we love one another, by this we love God. For we would not love one another with true love unless we loved God. For each one loves his neighbor as himself if he loves God; for if he does not love God, he does not love himself. For "on these two commandments" of love "hang the whole Law and the Prophets": this is our fruit. So, giving us a command about fruit, he says, "These things I command you, that you love one another." Hence the apostle Paul too, when he wished to commend the fruit of the Spirit against the works of the flesh, put this at the head: "The fruit of the Spirit," he says, "is love"; and then he wove in the rest as springing from this head and bound to it: "joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control." For who rejoices well who does not love the good over which he rejoices? Who can have true peace except with one whom he truly loves? Who is patient, remaining perseveringly in the good, unless he is fervent in loving? Who is kind, unless he loves the one he helps? Who is good, unless he is made so by loving? Who is faithful to his salvation, except by the faith that works through love? Who is gentle to good purpose, if love does not temper him? Who refrains from what defiles him, unless he loves what makes him honorable? Rightly, then, does the good master commend love so often, as if it alone were to be commanded: without it other good things cannot benefit, and it cannot be had without the other good things by which a man is made good.
John 15:16 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:5 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Tim 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:39 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:40 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 5:6 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Love is the fruit Christ appoints us to bear; it heads and contains all the other fruits of the Spirit.
- John 15:16–17, 1 Tim 1:5, Matt 22:40, and Gal 5:22–23 are quoted; John 15:5, Matt 22:39, and Gal 5:6 are in view.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (broken word); stray mark): dixcrat → dixerat; posut vos → posuit vos; det DO → det vo; uiique dabit → utique dabit; alTeramus, boc est → afferamus, hoc est; fi uctuni siue illo → fructum sine illo; siue vite → sine vite; Charitas ccgo → Charitas ergo; Hac diligiinus → Hac diligimus; uon diligit seipsum → non diligit seipsum; præ-- ceptis → præceptis; Unde ct apostolus → Unde et apostolus; unde gaudct → unde gaudet; manendo *, → manendo,; Quis honus → Quis bonus; opcratur → operatur; Quis militer → Quis utiliter; ab eo continet ande turpatnr → ab eo continet unde turpatur; cætera borna → cætera bona; sinc cæteris → sine cæteris; effecitur → efficitur.
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 87.1 (PL 35:1851–1853; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-87-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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87.2PL 35:1853
Pro hac autem dilectione patienter debemus etiam mundi odia sustinere. Necesse est enim ut nos oderit, quos cernit nolle quod diligit. Sed plurimum nos de seipso Dominus consolatur, qui cum dixisset, Hæc mando vobis, ut diligatis invicem; adjecit, atque ait, Si mundus vos odit, scitote quoniam me priorem vobis odio habuit. Cur ergo se membrum supra verti Cem extollit? Recusas esse in corpore si non vis odium mundi sustinere cum capite. Si de mundo, in quit, essetis, mundus quod suum erat diligeret. Universæ utique hoc dicit Ecclesiae, quam plerumque etiam ipsam mundi nomine appellat: sicut est illud, Deus erat in Christo, mundum reconcilians sibi. Itemque illud: Non venit Filius hominis ut judicet mun dum, sed ut salvetur mundus per ipsum. Et in Epistola sua Joannes ait: Advocatum habemus ad Patrem, Jesum Christum justum, et ipse propitiator est peccatorum nostrorum; non tantum nostrorum, sed etiam totius mundi. Totus ergo mun dus Ecclesia est, et totus mundus odit Ecclesiam. Mun dus igitur odit mundum, inimicus reconciliatum, da mnatus salvatum, inquinatus mundatum.
For the sake of this love we must also patiently endure the hatred of the world. For it must hate us, whom it sees unwilling to have what it loves. But the Lord consoles us very greatly from his own example; for when he had said, "These things I command you, that you love one another," he added and said, "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before you." Why then does the member exalt itself above the head? You refuse to be in the body if you are unwilling to endure the hatred of the world together with the head. "If you were of the world," he says, "the world would love what was its own." He says this, certainly, to the whole church, which he often also calls by the name of the world; as in this saying, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself." And likewise: "The Son of Man did not come to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him." And John says in his Epistle: "We have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins; not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." So the whole world is the church, and the whole world hates the church. The world, then, hates the world: the hostile hates the reconciled, the condemned hates the saved, the defiled hates the cleansed.
John 15:17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:19 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 3:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:2 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ's followers must share the world's hatred with their head; the church, itself called "the world", is hated by the world.
- John 15:17–19, 2 Cor 5:19, John 3:17, and 1 John 2:1–2 are quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): patienler → patienter; Sud plurimum nos de scipso → Sed plurimum nos de seipso; diXisset → dixisset; atque nit → atque ait; Rccusas → Recusas; qnit, essetis → quit, essetis; PatreM → Patrem; lotus mundus → totus mundus; dns igitur → dus igitur.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 87.2 (PL 35:1853; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-87-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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87.3PL 35:1853
Sed iste mundus quem Deus in Christo recon ciliat sibi, et qui per Christum salvatur, et cui per Christum peccatum omne donatur, de mundo electus est inimico, damnato, contaminato. Ex ea quippe massa quæ tota in Adam periit, fiunt vasa miseri cordiæ, in quibus est mundus pertinens ad reconcilia tionem: quem mundus odit, ex eadem massa pertinens ad vasa iræ, quæ perfecta sunt ad perditionem. Denique cum dixisset, Si de mundo esse tis, mundus quod suum erat diligeret; continuo subje cit, Quia vero de mundo non estis, sed ego elegi vos de mundo, propterea odit vos mundus. Ergo et ipsi inde erant, unde ut non essent, electi sunt inde, non meri tis suis, quorum nulla bona præcesserant opera; non natura, quae tota fuerat per liberum arbitrium in ipsa radice vitiata: sed gratuita, hoc est vera gratia. Qui enim de mundo mundum elegit, fecit quod eligeret, non invenit: quia reliquiæ per electionem gratiæ salvæ factæ sunt. Si autem gratia, inquit, jam non ex operibus; alioquin gratia jam non est gratia.
But this world which God reconciles to himself in Christ, which is saved through Christ, and to which every sin is forgiven through Christ, has been chosen out of the world that is hostile, condemned, and defiled. For out of that mass which perished wholly in Adam are made vessels of mercy, in which is the world that belongs to reconciliation; this world is hated by the world which, out of the same mass, belongs to the vessels of wrath, made for destruction. Finally, when he had said, "If you were of the world, the world would love what was its own," he at once added, "But because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." So they too were from there, and they were chosen out of there so as not to be of it: not by their merits, for no good works of theirs had gone before; not by nature, which had been wholly corrupted at its very root through free choice; but freely, that is, by true grace. For he who chose a world out of the world made what he would choose; he did not find it. For "a remnant has been saved by the election of grace. But if by grace," he says, "then no longer from works; otherwise grace is no longer grace."
2 Cor 5:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:12 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 9:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 9:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 9:23 (allusion, high confidence) · John 15:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 11:6 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Out of the mass lost in Adam, God by free grace makes vessels of mercy, the world reconciled, whom the world of the lost hates.
- John 15:19 and Rom 11:5–6 are quoted; 2 Cor 5:19, Rom 9:21–23, and Rom 5:12 are in view. The teaching on the mass of perdition and election is translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (broken word)): ir.c → iræ; nieri → meri; eligcret → eligeret; saU væ → salvæ; gracia jam non eat gratia → gratia jam non est gratia.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 87.3 (PL 35:1853; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-87-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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87.4PL 35:1853
Si autem quæratur quomodo se diligat mundus perditionis, qui odit mundum redemptionis; diligit se utique falsa dilectione, non vera. Proinde falso se di ligit, et vere odit. Qui enim diligit iniquitatem, odit animam suam. Sed diligere se dicitur, quoniam iniquitatem qua iniquus est diligit: et rursus odisse se dicitur, quoniam quod ei nocet, hoc diligit. Odit ergo in se naturam, diligit vitium: odit quod factus est per Dei bonitatem, diligit quod in eo factum est per liberam voluntatem. Unde nos quoque illum diligere et prohibemur, si recte intelligimus, et ju bemur: prohibemur scilicet, ubi nobis dicitur, Nolite diligere mundum; jubemur autem, ubi nobis dicitur, Diligite inimicos vestros. Ipsi sunt mundus qui nos odit. Ergo et prohibemur diligere in illo quod ipse diligit in seipso; et jubemur diligere in illo quod ipse odit in seipso, Dei scilicet opificium, et diversas bonitatis suae consolationes. Vitium quippe in illo diligere prohibemur, jubemur que diligere naturam, cum ipse in se diligat vitium, oderitque naturam: ut nos eum et diligamus et ode rimus recte, cum se ipse diligat oderitque perverse.
But if it is asked how the world of perdition, which hates the world of redemption, loves itself: it loves itself, certainly, with a false love, not a true one. So it loves itself falsely and hates itself truly. For "he who loves iniquity hates his own soul." But it is said to love itself because it loves the iniquity by which it is wicked; and again it is said to hate itself because it loves what harms it. So it hates its nature in itself and loves its vice: it hates what it was made by God's goodness and loves what has been done in it by free will. Hence we too, if we understand rightly, are both forbidden and commanded to love it: forbidden, namely, where it is said to us, "Do not love the world"; commanded, where it is said to us, "Love your enemies." They are the world that hates us. So we are both forbidden to love in it what it loves in itself, and commanded to love in it what it hates in itself: God's workmanship, namely, and the various consolations of his goodness. For we are forbidden to love the vice in it and commanded to love the nature, while it loves the vice in itself and hates the nature; so that we may both love and hate it rightly, while it loves and hates itself perversely.
Ps 11:5 (10:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:44 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The world loves its vice and hates its God-given nature; we are to hate its vice and love its nature, loving our enemies but not the world.
- Ps 11:5 (LXX 10:6), 1 John 2:15, and Matt 5:44 are quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): drligil se utique falsa dilectione, nun vera → diligit se utique falsa dilectione, non vera; Uude nos → Unde nos; diligcre → diligere; scilicct, ubi → scilicet, ubi; mundius qui → mundus qui; Ergo ct prohibemur → Ergo et prohibemur; in scipso; et → in seipso; et; scilicct opificium → scilicet opificium; bonitalis → bonitatis; perverse- → perverse..
Topics: Ethics
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 87.4 (PL 35:1853; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-87-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 88
88.1PL 35:1853
Exhortans Dominus servos suos ad mundi odia perferenda patienter, nullum majus eis et melius quam de seipso proponit exemplum: quoniam, sicut dicit apostolus Petrus, Christus pro nobis passus est, relinquens nobis exemplum, ut sequamur vestigia ejus. Quod utique si facimus, ipso adju Vante facimus, qui dixit, Sine me nihil potestis facere. Denique quibus jam dixerat, Si odit vos mundus, sci tote quia me priorem vobis odio habuit: et nunc in eo quod audistis, cum legeretur Evangelium, Mementote, inquit, sermonis mei quem ego dixi vobis, Non est ser vus major domino suo: si me persecuti sunt, et vos per sequentur; si sermonem meum servaverunt, et vestrum servabunt. Dicendo autem, Non eat servus major do. mino suo, nonne evidenter ostendit quemadmodum Intelligere debeamus quod superius dixerat, Jam non dico vos servos? Ecce enim eos servos dicit. Nam quid est aliud, Non eat servus major domino suo: si me persecuti sunt, et vos perse quentur? Manifestum est igitur illum servum, qui non manet in domo in æternum, illum pertinentem ad timorem quem foras charitas mittit, esse intelligendum, ubi dictum est, Jam non dico vos servos: hic autem ubi dicitur, Non eat servus major domino suo: si me persecuti sunt, et vos persequentur, illum significari servum pertinentem ad timorem castum, qui permanet in sæculum sæculi. Hic enim servus est auditurus, Euge, serve bone, intra in gaudium Domini tui.
Exhorting his servants to bear the hatred of the world patiently, the Lord sets before them no greater and better example than himself; since, as the apostle Peter says, "Christ suffered for us, leaving us an example, that we should follow in his steps." And if we do this, we do it with his help, who said, "Without me you can do nothing." Finally, to those to whom he had already said, "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before you," he now also says, in what you heard when the Gospel was read: "Remember the word that I said to you, A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also." But in saying, "A servant is not greater than his master," does he not plainly show how we ought to understand what he had said above, "No longer do I call you servants"? For see, he calls them servants. For what else is "A servant is not greater than his master; if they persecuted me, they will persecute you too"? It is clear, then, that that servant who does not remain in the house for ever, the one belonging to the fear which love casts out, is to be understood where it was said, "No longer do I call you servants"; but here, where it is said, "A servant is not greater than his master; if they persecuted me, they will persecute you too," the servant is meant who belongs to the chaste fear that endures for ever and ever. For this servant is to hear, "Well done, good servant, enter into the joy of your Lord."
1 Pet 2:21 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:5 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:15 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:35 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 John 4:18 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 19:9 (18:10 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 25:21 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ offers himself as the example of suffering the world's hatred; the "servant" here is the one of chaste fear, not the one of servile fear.
- 1 Pet 2:21, John 15:5, 15:18, 15:20, 15:15, and Matt 25:21 are quoted; John 8:35, 1 John 4:18, and Ps 19:9 (LXX 18:10) are in view.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): paticnter, nullum majus cis → patienter, nullum majus eis; iitique → utique; facimns → facimus; Dcnique → Denique; ct nunc in eo → et nunc in eo; persecuti:rint → persecuti sunt; dcbeamus → debeamus; noM dico → non dico; Ecce cnim → Ecce enim; timoreM quem foras charitas miuit → timorem quem foras charitas mittit; dicluin → dictum; uhi dicitur → ubi dicitur; pemranet → permanet; llic enim servus cst aHditurus → Hic enim servus est auditurus.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 88.1 (PL 35:1853; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-88-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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88.2PL 35:1853–1855
Sed hæc, inquit, omnia facient vobis propter no men meum, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. Quæ omnia facient, nisi quæ dixit, odio habebunt scilicet, et perse. quentur, sermonemque contemnent? Quoniam si ser monem non servarent eorum, nec tamen odissent eos, neque persequerentur; vel etiamsi odissent, nec ta men persequerentur: non omnia facerent. Hæc autem omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, quid est aliud dicere, quam, me in vobis odio habebunt, me in vobis persequentur, et sermonem vestrum, quia meus est, ideo non servabunt? Hæc enim omnia fa cient vobis propter nomen meum: non vestrum, sed meum. Tanto igitur miseriores qui propter hoc nomen ista faciunt, quanto beatiores qui propter hoc nomen ista patiuntur: sicut ipse alio loco dicit, Beati qui pcr secutionem patiuntur propter justitiam. Hoc est enim propter me, vel propter nomen meum: quia, sicut Apostolus docet, Factus est nobis sapientia a Deo, et justitia, et sanctificatio, et redemptio; ut quemadmo dum scriptum est, Qui gloriatur, in Domino glorietur. Faciunt quippe ista mali malis; sed non propter justitiam: et ideo miseri utrique, et qui faciunt, et qui patiuntur. Faciunt et boni malis: ubi etsi faciunt isti propter justitiam, non tamen illi pro pter justitiam patiuntur.
"But all these things," he says, "they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me." What are all these things they will do, but those he named: that they will hate, persecute, and despise your word? For if they did not keep their word, and yet did not hate them or persecute them; or even if they hated them, but did not persecute them, they would not be doing all these things. But "all these things they will do to you on account of my name": what else is this than to say, they will hate me in you, they will persecute me in you, and they will not keep your word because it is mine? "For all these things they will do to you on account of my name": not yours, but mine. So the more wretched are those who do these things on account of this name, the more blessed are those who suffer them on account of this name; as he himself says in another place: "Blessed are those who suffer persecution for righteousness' sake." That is, for my sake, or for my name's sake; because, as the Apostle teaches, "he became for us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption; so that, as it is written, he who glories, let him glory in the Lord." For the evil do these things to the evil too, but not for righteousness' sake; and therefore both are wretched, those who do them and those who suffer them. The good also do them to the evil; and there, although the good do it for righteousness' sake, the evil do not suffer for righteousness' sake.
John 15:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:30 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:31 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Persecution for Christ's name is persecution for righteousness, since Christ is our righteousness; those who suffer it are blessed.
- John 15:21, Matt 5:10, and 1 Cor 1:30–31 are quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): nesciunt eun qui → nesciunt eum qui; nee tamen odissent → nec tamen odissent; idco non ser vabunt → ideo non servabunt; nomen rneum: nou vestrum → nomen meum: non vestrum; miscriores → miseriores; nomcn ista → nomen ista; propler justitiam → propter justitiam; el justitia, et sanctificatio, ct redemptio → et justitia, et sanctificatio, et redemptio; scriptum eat, Qui gloriatur, in Domino glorictur → scriptum est, Qui gloriatur, in Domino glorietur; miscri utrique → miseri utrique.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 88.2 (PL 35:1853–1855; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-88-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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88.3PL 35:1855
Sed dicit aliquis: Si mali quando persequuntur bonos propter nomen Christi, propter justitiam boni patiuntur, profecto propter justitiam hæc eis mali fa ciunt; quod si ita est, ergo et quando boni malos propter justitiam persequuntur, propter justitiam etiam mali patiuntur. Si enim possunt mali persecu tionem facere bonis propter nomen Christi, cur non possunt mali persecutionem pati a bonis propter no men Christi; et quid est, nisi propter justitiam? Nam si non propter quod boni faciunt, propter hoc mali patiuntur; quia faciunt boni propter justitiam, pa tiuntur mali propter injustitiam: nec mali ergo pro pter hoc possunt facere propter quod boni patiuntur, quia faciunt mali propter injustitiam, patiuntur boni propter justitiam. Quomodo ergo erit verum, Hæc omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum; cum illi non propter nomen Christi faciant, id est, non propter ju stitiam, sed propter iniquitatem suam? Hæc quæstio ita solvitur, si eo modo intelligamus dictum, Hæc omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, ut totum re feratur ad justos; tanquam dictum sit, Hæc omnia patiemini ab eis propter nomen meum: ut hoc sit, facient vobis, quod est, patiemini ab eis. Si autem propter nomen meum sic accipitur, tanquam diceret, propter nomen meum quod in vobis oderunt; ita po test accipi, et propter justitiam quam in vobis ode runt: ac per hoc boni cum persecutionem faciunt malis, possunt recte dici et propter justitiam facere, quam diligendo persequuntur malos; et propter iniquitatem, quam oderunt in ipsis malis: ita ergo et ipsi mali possunt dici pati, et propter iniquitatem quæ in illis punitur, et propter justitiam quae in eorum pœna exercetur.
But someone says: If, when the evil persecute the good for the name of Christ, the good suffer for righteousness' sake, then surely the evil do these things to them for righteousness' sake; and if this is so, then also when the good persecute the evil for righteousness' sake, the evil too suffer for righteousness' sake. For if the evil can persecute the good for the name of Christ, why can the evil not suffer persecution from the good for the name of Christ, that is, for righteousness' sake? For if the evil do not suffer on account of that for which the good act, because the good act for righteousness' sake and the evil suffer for unrighteousness, then neither can the evil act on account of that for which the good suffer, because the evil act for unrighteousness and the good suffer for righteousness. How then will it be true, "All these things they will do to you on account of my name," since they do it not on account of Christ's name, that is, not for righteousness' sake, but on account of their own iniquity? This question is solved if we understand "All these things they will do to you on account of my name" as said in such a way that it all refers to the righteous; as if it were said, "All these things you will suffer from them on account of my name," so that "they will do to you" means "you will suffer from them." But if "on account of my name" is taken as if he said, "on account of my name, which they hate in you," then it can also be taken as "on account of the righteousness which they hate in you"; and so the good, when they persecute the evil, can rightly be said to act both on account of righteousness, out of love for which they persecute the evil, and on account of iniquity, which they hate in the evil themselves; and so the evil too can be said to suffer both on account of the iniquity which is punished in them and on account of the righteousness which is exercised in their punishment.
John 15:21 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine resolves how persecutors act "on account of Christ's name": either the phrase refers to what the righteous suffer, or to the righteousness the persecutors hate in them.
- John 15:21 is quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (broken word); OCR slip (joined words)): persequuatur → persequuntur; hæc cis mali → hæc eis mali; justiliam persequuntur, propter jusliliam → justitiam persequuntur, propter justitiam; paliunLur → patiuntur; eiit verum → erit verum; id cst, nou propter ju → id est, non propter ju; (acient vobis → facient vobis; ul totum → ut totum; dictum sii → dictum sit; ab cis. Si → ab eis. Si; pel'sequuntur → persequuntur; ini- (quitatem → iniquitatem; iniquitatemquæ → iniquitatem quæ.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 88.3 (PL 35:1855; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-88-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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88.4PL 35:1855
Item quaeri potest, si etiam mali faciunt perse cutionem malis; sicut impii reges et judices, cum essent persecutores piorum, utique et homicidas, et adulteros, et quoscumque maleficos, quos contra le ges publicas fecisse cognoscerent, puniebant; quo modo intelligendum est quod ait Dominus, Si de mundo essetis, mundus quod suum erat diligeret. Neque enim quos punit diligit mundus, a quo videmus supra dicta scelerum genera plerumque pu niri: nisi quia mundus est in eis a quibus talia sce lera puniuntur, et mundus est in eis a quibus talia scelera diliguntur. Mundus itaque ille qui intelligitur in malis atque impiis, et odit quod suum est, ex ea parte hominum qua sceleratis nocet; et diligit quod suum est, ex ea parte hominum qua eisdem ipsis consceleratis favet. Ergo, Hæc omnia facient vobis pro pter nomen meum, vel ita dictum est, propter quod vos patimini; vel ita, propter quod et ipsi faciunt: quia et hoc in vobis dum persequuntur, oderunt. Et addidit: Quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. Hoc secun dum eam scientiam dictum intelligendum est, de qua et alibi scriptum est, Scire autem te, sensus est con summatus. Hac quippe scientia qui sciunt Patrem a quo missus est Christus, nullo modo per sequuntur eos quos colligit Christus; quia et ipsi cum eis colliguntur a Christo.
Likewise it may be asked: if the evil too persecute the evil (as ungodly kings and judges, when they were persecutors of the godly, also punished murderers, adulterers, and any evildoers whom they knew to have acted against the public laws), how are we to understand what the Lord says, "If you were of the world, the world would love what was its own"? For the world, by which we see the kinds of crimes mentioned above very often punished, does not love those whom it punishes; unless the answer is that the world is in those by whom such crimes are punished, and the world is in those by whom such crimes are loved. So that world which is understood in the evil and ungodly both hates what is its own, in that part of men which harms criminals, and loves what is its own, in that part of men which favors those same fellow criminals. So "All these things they will do to you on account of my name" is said either in the sense "on account of which you suffer," or in the sense "on account of which they themselves act," because they hate this too in you while they persecute you. And he added: "Because they do not know him who sent me." This is to be understood as said of that knowledge of which it is written elsewhere: "But to know you is perfect understanding." For those who know with this knowledge the Father by whom Christ was sent in no way persecute those whom Christ gathers, because they themselves too are gathered with them by Christ.
John 15:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:21 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The world both hates and loves its own; and those who truly know the Father do not persecute those whom Christ gathers.
- John 15:19 and 15:21 are quoted. "To know you is perfect understanding" is probably Wis 15:3 in an Old Latin form.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (joined words)): <a adulteros → et adulteros; malcficos → maleficos; in cis a quibus → in eis a quibus; hnpiis → impiis; nocct → nocet; cousceleratis → consceleratis; ila dictum est, propter qucd → ita dictum est, propter quod; IIoc secun → Hoc secun; etalibi → et alibi; Hac quippescientia → Hac quippe scientia.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 15:3 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 88.4 (PL 35:1855; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-88-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 89
89.1PL 35:1855–1857
Superius dixerat Dominus ad discipulos suos: Si me persecuti sunt, et vos persequentur; si sermonem meum servaverunt, et vestrum servabunt: sed hæc omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. De quibus autem hoc dixerit si quæra mus, invenimus eum ad hæc verba venisse ab eo quod dixerat, Si mundus vos odit, scitote quia me prio rem vobis odio habuit: nunc vero quod addidit, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent, Judæos ostendit expressius. De his ergo et illa dice bat; nam hoc indicat verborum ipsa contextio. De his enim dicit, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent, de quibus dicebat, Si me per secuti sunt, et vos persequentur; si sermonem meum ser vaverunt, et vestrum servabunt: sed hæc omnia facient vobis propter nomen meum, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me; his enim verbis et ista subjungit, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent. Judæi ergo persecuti sunt Christum, quod evidentissime in dicat Evangelium; Judæis locutus est Christus, non aliis gentibus: in eis ergo voluit intelligi mundum, qui odit Christum et discipulos ejus; imo vero non in eis solis, sed hos quoque ad eumdem mundum perli nere monstravit. Quid est ergo, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent? Numquid sine peccato erant Judæi, antequam Christus ad eos in carne venisset? Quis hoc vel stultissimus dixerit? Sed magnum quoddam peccatum, non omne pecca tum, quasi sub generali nomine vult intelligi. Hoc est enim peccatum quo tenentur cuncta peccata, quod unusquisque si non habeat, dimittuntur ei cuncta pec cata: hoc est autem, quia non crediderunt in Chri stum, qui propterea venit ut credatur in eum. Hoc peccatum, si non venisset, non utique haberent. Ad ventus quippe ejus quantum credentibus salutaris, tantum non credentibus exitiabilis factus est: tan quam et ipse caput et princeps Apostolorum, quod de se ipsi dixerunt, exstiterit quibusdam quidem odor vitæ in vitam, quibusdam vero odor mortis in mortem.
Above, the Lord had said to his disciples: "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also; but all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me." But if we ask of whom he said this, we find that he came to these words from what he had said, "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before you"; and now, by what he added, "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin," he points more expressly to the Jews. So he was speaking of them in those earlier words too; for the very connection of the words shows it. For he says, "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin," of the same people of whom he said, "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also; but all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me"; for to these words he adds also these: "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin." So the Jews persecuted Christ, as the Gospel shows most plainly; Christ spoke to the Jews, not to other nations; so in them he wished to be understood the world which hates Christ and his disciples; or rather, not in them alone, but he showed that they too belong to that same world. What then is "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin"? Were the Jews without sin before Christ came to them in the flesh? Who, however foolish, would say this? But he wishes a certain great sin, not every sin, to be understood, as under a general name. For this is the sin by which all sins are retained, and if anyone does not have it, all his sins are forgiven him: namely, that they did not believe in Christ, who came precisely so that he might be believed in. This sin they certainly would not have had if he had not come. For his coming became as deadly to those who do not believe as it was saving to those who believe; as if he, the head and chief of the apostles, became what they said of themselves: to some "a fragrance of life unto life," but to others "a fragrance of death unto death."
John 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:21 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 2:16 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The sin those who heard Christ would not have had without his coming is unbelief, the sin by which all other sins are retained.
- John 15:18, 20–22 and 2 Cor 2:16 are quoted. Augustine applies these words to "the Jews" of the Gospel narrative and to the world generally; translated as written.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): Dc quibus autem hoc dixcrit → De quibus autem hoc dixerit; ab co quod → ab eo quod; scilote → scitote; Odtendit → ostendit; Do his enim → De his enim; bis enim verbis → his enim verbis; Si nou venissem, et locutus eia → Si non venissem, et locutus eis; bos quoque → hos quoque; ad cos in carne → ad eos in carne; dixerit f Sed → dixerit? Sed; Hoc cst enim → Hoc est enim; boc est autem → hoc est autem; in cum. Hoc → in eum. Hoc; q uam et ipso → quam et ipse; in ritam → in vitam.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 89.1 (PL 35:1855–1857; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-89-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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89.2PL 35:1857
Sed quod adjunxit, atque ait, Nunc autem excu sationem non habent de peccato suo, potest movere quærentes, utrum hi ad quos non venit Christus, nec locutus est eis, habeant excusationem de peccato suo. Si enim non habent, cur hic dictum est propterea istos non habere, quia venit et locutus est eis? Si autem habent, utrum ad hoc habeant ut a poenis alie nentur, an ut mitius puniantur? Ad hæc inquisita pro meo captu, Domino donante, respondeo, habere il los excusationem, non de omni peccato suo, sed de hoc peccato quo in Christum non crediderunt, ad quos non venit, et quibus non est locutus. Sed non in eo sunt numero hi ad quos in discipulis venit, et quibus per discipulos est locutus, quod et nunc facit: nam per Ecclesiam suam venit ad Gentes, et per Ec clesiam loquitur Gentibus. Ad hoc enim pertinet quod ait, Qui vos recipit, me recipit: et, Qui vos spernit, me spernit. An vultis, inquit apostolus Paulus, experimentum accipere ejus qui in me loquitur Christus?
But what he added, saying, "But now they have no excuse for their sin," may move inquirers to ask whether those to whom Christ did not come and to whom he did not speak have an excuse for their sin. For if they do not, why is it said here that these have none because he came and spoke to them? But if they do, do they have it so as to be exempt from punishment, or so as to be punished more mildly? To these questions I answer, as far as I can grasp, by the Lord's gift, that those to whom he did not come and to whom he did not speak have an excuse, not for all their sin, but for this sin by which they did not believe in Christ. But those are not of that number to whom he came in his disciples and to whom he spoke through his disciples, as he does even now; for through his church he has come to the nations, and through the church he speaks to the nations. For to this belongs what he says, "Whoever receives you receives me," and, "Whoever rejects you rejects me." "Or do you wish," says the apostle Paul, "to have proof of the Christ who speaks in me?"
John 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 10:40 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 10:16 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 13:3 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Those who never heard Christ have an excuse for unbelief, but not those to whom he speaks through his church.
- John 15:22, Matt 10:40, Luke 10:16, and 2 Cor 13:3 are quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; missing stop): movcre → movere; Christus. nee loculUS → Christus, nec locutus; propter... ea → propterea; iI → il; locutus Sed non → locutus. Sed non; loquilur → loquitur.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 89.2 (PL 35:1857; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-89-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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89.3PL 35:1857
Restat inquirere utrum hi qui priusquam Chri stus in Ecclesia veniret ad Gentes, et priusquam Evangelium ejus audirent, vitæ hujus fine præventi sunt, seu præveniuntur, possint habere hanc excusa tionem? Possunt plane, sed non ideo possunt effu gere damnationem. Quicumque enim sine Lege peccave runt, sine Lege et peribunt: et quicumque in Lege pec caverunt, per Legem judicabuntur. Quæ quidem Apostoli verba, quoniam id quod ait, peri bunt, terribilius sonat quam quod ait, judicabuntur; non solum nihil adjuvare hanc excusationem viden tur ostendere, verum etiam plus gravare. Qui enim se quia non audierunt, excusabunt, sine Lege peribunt.
It remains to ask whether those who were overtaken, or are overtaken, by the end of this life before Christ came to the nations in the church and before they heard his gospel can have this excuse. They plainly can, but not on that account can they escape condemnation. "For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law." Since "they will perish" sounds more terrible than "they will be judged," these words of the Apostle seem to show that this excuse not only does not help at all but even makes things worse. For those who excuse themselves on the ground that they did not hear will perish without the Law.
Rom 2:12 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Those who died without hearing the gospel have an excuse for unbelief but do not thereby escape condemnation.
- Rom 2:12 is quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): hahere → habere; uon solum → non solum; eliam p!us → etiam plus.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 89.3 (PL 35:1857; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-89-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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89.4PL 35:1857
Sed utrum hi qui cum audirent, contempserunt, vel etiam restiterunt, nec tantum contradicendo, sed et eos a quibus audierunt odiis persequendo, in eis deputandi sunt de quibus aliquid levius videtur sonuisse quod dictum est, per Legem judicabuntur, merito quæritur. Sed si aliud est perire sine Lege, aliud judicari per Legem, et illud est gravius, hoc au tem levius; procul dubio non sunt isti in hac poena leviore ponendi, quia neque in Lege peccaverunt, sed omnino Legem Christi accipere noluerunt, et eam quantum ad ipsos attinet, omnino nullam esse voluerunt. Illi autem peccant in Lege, qui sunt in Lege, id est, qui eam suscipiunt, eamque sanctam, et mandatum sanctum et justum et bonum fatentur; sed infirmitate non implent quod ab ea rectissime præcipi dubitare non possunt. Hi sunt qui aliquo modo forsitan possunt ab eorum, qui sine Lege sunt, perditione discerni: si tamen quod Apo stolus ait, per Legem judicabuntur, sic accipiendum est tanquam dixerit, non peribunt; quod mirum si ita est. Neque enim de infidelibus et fidelibus erat sermo ut hoc diceret, sed de Gentibus et Judæis: qui certe utrique nisi in eo Salvatore salventur, qui venit quærere quod perierat, ad per ditionem sine dubio pertinebunt. Quamvis dici pos sit, alios gravius, alios levius perituros, id est, alios graviores, alios leviores poenas in sua perditione pas suros. Ille enim perire Deo dicitur, quisquis ab illa beatitudine quam dat sanctis suis, per supplicium separatur: tanta est autem suppliciorum, quanta est di versitas peccatorum; quæ quomodo se habeat, altius judicat sapientia divina, quam conjectura scrutatur aut effatur humana. Isti certe ad quos venit, et qui bus locutus est Christus, non habent de magno in fidelitatis peccato illam excusationem, qua possint dicere, Non vidimus, non audivimus: sive non acce ptaretur ista excusatio ab illo cujus inscrutabilia sunt judicia, sive acceptaretur, et si non ut ab omni damnatione liberarentur, certe ut aliquanto lenius da mnarentur.
But it is rightly asked whether those who, when they heard, despised it, or even resisted, not only by contradicting but also by persecuting with hatred those from whom they heard it, are to be counted among those of whom the words "they will be judged by the Law" seem to sound somewhat lighter. But if it is one thing to perish without the Law and another to be judged by the Law, and the former is heavier and the latter lighter, beyond doubt these are not to be placed in this lighter penalty, because they did not sin under the Law but refused altogether to receive the Law of Christ, and, as far as in them lay, wished it to be nothing at all. But those sin under the Law who are under the Law, that is, who accept it and confess it to be holy, and the commandment holy and just and good, but through weakness do not fulfill what they cannot doubt it most rightly commands. These are the ones who perhaps can in some way be distinguished from the perdition of those who are without the Law; if indeed the Apostle's "they will be judged by the Law" is to be taken as though he had said "they will not perish," which would be surprising if it is so. For he was not speaking of unbelievers and believers when he said this, but of Gentiles and Jews; and both of these, unless they are saved in that Savior who came to seek what was lost, will beyond doubt belong to perdition. Although it can be said that some will perish more heavily, others more lightly; that is, some will suffer heavier, others lighter punishments in their perdition. For he is said to perish to God who is separated by punishment from that blessedness which God gives to his saints; but the diversity of punishments is as great as the diversity of sins; and how this stands divine wisdom judges more deeply than human conjecture can search out or express. Certainly those to whom Christ came and spoke do not have, for the great sin of unbelief, the excuse of being able to say, "We did not see, we did not hear"; whether that excuse would not be accepted by him whose judgments are unsearchable, or would be accepted, if not so that they would be freed from all condemnation, then at least so that they would be condemned somewhat more leniently.
Rom 2:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 19:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:33 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Those who heard and rejected Christ are not among those "judged by the Law"; all not saved in Christ perish, though punishments differ as sins differ.
- Rom 2:12 and Rom 7:12 are quoted; Luke 19:10 and Rom 11:33 are in view. The digital text omits a word (probably diversitas) in "tanta est autem suppliciorum"; translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): vidctur → videtur; qæritur → quæritur; per Logem → per Legem; ncque in Lege → neque in Lege; acciperc → accipere; nou possunt → non possunt; sine L ge → sine Lege; qnod mirum si ila est → quod mirum si ita est; ct fidelibis → et fidelibus; in co Salvatore → in eo Salvatore; dilioncm → ditionem; pcrituros → perituros; Ille enim pcrire Deo dicilur → Ille enim perire Deo dicitur; suppliciutu se.. paratur → supplicium separatur; peccator um → peccatorum.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 89.4 (PL 35:1857; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-89-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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89.5PL 35:1857
Qui me odit, inquit, et Patrem meum odit. Hic nobis fortasse dicatur: Quis potest odisse quem ne scit? Et utique antequam diceret, Si non venissem, et locutus eis fuissem, peccatum non haberent, dixerat discipulis suis, Hæc facient vobis, quia nesciunt eum qui misit me. Quomodo ergo nesciunt et oderunt? Si enim non quod est ipse, sed nescio quid aliud de illo opinantur; non utique ipsum, sed illud inveniuntur odisse quod fingunt, aut errando potius suspicantur. Et tamen nisi possent homines odisse quod nesciunt, non veritas utrumque dixisset, quia ejus Patrem et nesciunt et oderunt. Sed quomodo id fieri possit, si adjuvante Domino per nos demonstrari potest; quia hæc disputatio est jam claudenda, nunc non potest.
"Whoever hates me," he says, "hates my Father also." Here it may perhaps be said to us: Who can hate one he does not know? And certainly before he said, "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin," he had said to his disciples, "These things they will do to you, because they do not know him who sent me." How then do they both not know and hate? For if they think, not what he is, but something else of him, then they are found to hate not him but what they imagine, or rather suspect in their error. And yet unless men could hate what they do not know, the Truth would not have said both, that they both do not know his Father and hate him. But how this can be, if with the Lord's help it can be shown by us, cannot be shown now, because this discussion must now be closed.
John 15:23 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:22 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:21 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine raises the question how Christ's enemies can hate the Father whom they do not know.
- John 15:23, 15:22, and 15:21 are quoted.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): ndil → odit; odissc → odisse; noi haberent → non haberent; Palrem → Patrem.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 89.5 (PL 35:1857; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/86-1/#p-89-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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