Tractates on the Gospel of John 8.1–8.13

Latin text: Migne, PL 35 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 7 (1888).

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Chapter 8

8.1PL 35:1449–1451

Miraculum quidem Domini nostri Jesu Christi, quo de aqua vinum fecit, non est mirum eis qui no­ verunt quia Deus fecit. Ipse enim fecit vinum illo die in nuptiis in sex illis hydriis, quas impleri aqua prae­ cepit, qui omni anno facit hoc in vi­ tibus. Sicut enim quod miserunt ministri in hydrias, in vinum conversum est opere Domini; sic et quod nubes fundunt, in vinum convertitur ejusdem opere Domini. Illud autem non miramur, quia omni anno fit: assiduitate amisit admirationem. Nam et considerationem majorem invenit, quam id quod factum est in hydriis aquae. Quis est enim qui considerat opera Dei, quibus regitur et administratur totus hic mun­ dus, et non obstupescit obruiturque miraculis? Si consideret vim unius grani, cujuslibet seminis, ma­ gna quaedam res est, horror est consideranti. Sed quia homines in aliud intenti perdiderunt considerationem operum Dei, in qua darent laudem quotidie Creatori; tanquam servavit sibi Deus inusitata quædam quae faceret, ut tanquam dormientes homines, ad se colendum mirabilius excitaret. Mortuus resurrexit, mirati sunt homines: tot quotidie nascuntur, et nemo miratur. Si consideremus prudentius, majoris mira­ culi est esse qui non erat, quam reviviscere qui erat. Idem tamen Deus Pater Domini nostri Jesu Christi per Verbum suum facit omnia haec, et regit qui crea­ vit. Priora miracula fecit per Verbum suum Deum apud se: posteriora miracula fecit per ipsum Verbum suum, incarnatum, et propter nos hominem factum. Sicut miramur quae facta sunt per hominem Jesum, miremur quae facta sunt per Deum Jesum. Per Deum Jesum facta sunt coelum et terra, mare, et omnis ornatus cœli, opulentia terrae, fecunditas ma­ ris; omnia haec quae oculis adjacent, per Jesum Deum facta sunt. Et videmus haec, et si est in nobis Spiritus ipsius, sic nobis placent ut artifex laudetur: non ut ad opera conversi ab artifice avertamur, et faciem quodammodo ponentes ad ea quae fecit, dorsum po­ namus ad eum qui fecit.

The miracle of our Lord Jesus Christ by which he made wine from water is not marvelous to those who know that God did it. For he who made wine that day at the wedding in those six jars, which he commanded to be filled with water, is he who does this every year in the vines. For just as what the servants put into the jars was turned into wine by the work of the Lord, so too what the clouds pour out is turned into wine by the work of the same Lord. But that we do not marvel at, because it happens every year: by its regularity it has lost its wonder. And yet it deserves greater consideration than what was done in the jars of water. For who is there who considers the works of God by which this whole world is ruled and administered, and is not amazed and overwhelmed by miracles? If he considers the power of a single grain of any seed whatever, it is a great thing; it is awe-inspiring to one who considers it. But because men, intent on other things, have lost the consideration of God's works, in which they might daily give praise to the Creator, God has as it were reserved to himself certain unusual things to do, so as to rouse men, as if sleeping, by more wonderful things to worship him. A dead man rose again, and men marveled: so many are born every day, and no one marvels. If we consider more wisely, it is a greater miracle for one to exist who did not exist than for one who existed to come back to life. Yet the same God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, does all these things through his Word, and rules what he created. The earlier miracles he did through his Word, God with him; the later miracles he did through that same Word of his, incarnate and made man for our sake. As we marvel at what was done through Jesus the man, let us marvel at what was done through Jesus God. Through Jesus God were made heaven and earth, the sea, and all the adornment of the sky, the richness of the earth, the fruitfulness of the sea; all these things that lie before our eyes were made through Jesus God. And we see these things, and if his Spirit is in us, they so please us that the craftsman is praised: not so that, turned to the works, we turn away from the craftsman, and, as it were, setting our face toward the things he made, turn our back on him who made them.

John 2:6 (allusion, high confidence) · John 2:9 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ's turning water into wine is no greater than God's yearly turning of rain into wine in the vine; God, who made all things through the Word, works unusual miracles to awaken people dulled to the wonders of creation.

  • Allusions: John 2:1-11; John 1:3. 'The earlier miracles' are those of creation, done through the Word before the incarnation.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text (Demn → Deum); OCR slip in the digital text (Je. sum → Jesum); OCR slip in the digital text (administrator → administratur); OCR slip in the digital text (suut → sunt)): administrator → administratur; suut → sunt; Je. sum → Jesum; Demn → Deum.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.1 (PL 35:1449–1451; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.2PL 35:1451

Et hæc quidem videmus, et adjacent oculis: quid illa quae non videmus, sicut sunt Angeli, Virtutes, Potestates, Dominationes, omnisque habitator fabricae hujus supercœlestis, non adjacens oculis no­ stris? Quanquam saepe et Angeli, quando oportuit, demonstraverunt se hominibus. Nonne Deus et per Verbum suum, id est, unicum Filium suum Domi­ num nostrum Jesum Christum fecit hæc omnia? Quid ipsa anima humana, quæ non videtur, et per opera quae exhibet in carne, magnam præbet admirationem bene considerantibus, a quo facta est, nisi a Deo? et per quem facta est, nisi per Filium Dei? Nondum dico de anima hominis. Cujusvis pecoris anima quo­ modo regit molem suam! sensus omnes exserit, ocu­ los ad videndum, aures ad audiendum, nares ad per­ cipiendum odorem, oris judicium ad sapores discernendos, membra denique ipsa ad peragenda officia sua. Numquid haec corpus, et non anima, id est, ha­ bitatrix corporis agit? Nec tamen videtur oculis, et ex his quae agit, admirationem movet. Accedat jam consideratio tua etiam ad animam humanam, cui, tribuit Deus intellectum cognoscendi Creatorem suum, dignoscendi et distinguendi inter bonum et malum, hoc est inter justum et injustum: quanta agit per cor­ pus! Attendite universum orbem terrarum ordinatum in ipsa humana republica: quibus administrationibus, quibus ordinibus potestatum, conditionibus civitatum, legibus, moribus, artibus! Hoc totum per animam geritur, et hæc vis animæ non videtur. Cum subtra­ hitur corpori, cadaver jacet: cum autem adest cor­ pori, primo condit quodammodo putores. Corrupti­ bilis est enim omnis caro, in putredines defluit, nisi quodam condimento animae teneatur. Sed hoc com­ mune illi est cum pecoris anima: illa magis miranda quae dixi, quae ad mentem et intellectum pertinent; ubi etiam ad imaginem Creatoris sui renovatur, ad cujus imaginem factus est homo. Quid erit hæc vis animae, cum et corpus hoc induerit incorruptionem, et mortale hoc induerit immortalita­ tem? Si tanta potest per carnem corruptibilem, quid poterit per corpus spirituale post resurrectionem mortuorum? Haec tamen anima, ut dixi, admirabilis naturae atque substantiae, invisibilis res est et intelligibilis: et haec tamen per Jesum Deum facta est, quia ipse est Verbum Dei. Omnia per ipsum facta sunt, et sine ipso factum est nihil.

And these things indeed we see, and they lie before our eyes. What of those we do not see, such as angels, virtues, powers, dominions, and every inhabitant of this supercelestial structure, which does not lie before our eyes? Although angels too have often shown themselves to men when it was fitting. Did not God make all these things too through his Word, that is, his only Son, our Lord Jesus Christ? What of the human soul itself, which is not seen, and through the works it performs in the flesh offers great cause for wonder to those who consider it well: by whom was it made, if not by God? And through whom was it made, if not through the Son of God? I am not yet speaking of the soul of man. How the soul of any beast rules its mass! It puts forth all the senses: the eyes for seeing, the ears for hearing, the nostrils for perceiving smell, the judgment of the mouth for distinguishing tastes, and finally the limbs themselves for performing their tasks. Is it the body that does these things, and not the soul, that is, the inhabitant of the body? Yet it is not seen with the eyes, and it moves wonder by what it does. Let your consideration now go on also to the human soul, to which God has given understanding to know its Creator, to discern and distinguish between good and evil, that is, between just and unjust: how much it does through the body! Consider the whole world ordered in the human commonwealth itself: with what administrations, what ranks of authorities, what constitutions of cities, laws, customs, arts! All this is carried on through the soul, and this power of the soul is not seen. When it is withdrawn from the body, the corpse lies there; but when it is present to the body, first of all it preserves it, as it were, from stench. For all flesh is corruptible; it flows away into rottenness unless it is held together by a certain seasoning of the soul. But this it has in common with the soul of a beast: the things I spoke of are more to be wondered at, which belong to mind and understanding, where it is also renewed to the image of its Creator, to whose image man was made. What will this power of the soul be, when this body too has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality? If it can do so much through corruptible flesh, what will it be able to do through a spiritual body after the resurrection of the dead? Yet this soul, as I have said, of a wonderful nature and substance, is an invisible and intelligible thing; and yet it too was made through Jesus God, because he is the Word of God. "All things were made through him, and without him nothing was made."

John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:16 (allusion, medium confidence) · Col 3:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:27 (allusion, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 15:53 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:44 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The invisible things God made through the Word, angels and the soul, are still more wonderful than the visible: the soul animates the body, orders human society, and will do far more in the resurrection body.

  • Quotations: John 1:3; allusions to Col 1:16; Col 3:10; Gen 1:27; 1 Cor 15:53-54; 1 Cor 15:44.

Notes on the original text

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Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.2 (PL 35:1451; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.3PL 35:1451

Cum ergo tanta videamus facta per Deum Je­ sum, quid miramur aquam in vinum conversam per hominem Jesum? Neque enim sic factus est homo, ut perderet quod Deus erat: accessit illi homo, non omissus est Deus. Ipse ergo fecit hoc, qui illa omnia. Non itaque miremur quia Deus fecit; sed amemus quia inter nos fecit, et propter nostram reparationem fecit. Aliquid enim et in ipsis factis innuit nobis. Puto quia non sine causa venit ad nuptias. Excepto miraculo, aliquid in ipso facto mysterii et sacramenti latet. Pulsemus ut aperiat, et de vino invisibili in­ ebriet nos: quia et nos aqua eramus, et vinum nos fecit, sapientes nos fecit; sapimus enim fidem ipsius, qui prius insipientes eramus. Et forte ad ipsam sa­ pientiam pertinet, cum honore Dei, et cum laude majestatis ejus, et cum charitate potentissimæ mi­ sericordiæ ejus, intelligere quid sic gestum in hoc miraculo.

Since, then, we see such great things made through Jesus God, why do we marvel at water turned into wine through Jesus the man? For he was not made man in such a way as to lose what he was as God: man was added to him; God was not lost. So he who did all those things did this. Let us not, then, marvel because God did it; but let us love him because he did it among us, and did it for our restoration. For he hints something to us even in these deeds. I think that it was not without reason that he came to the wedding. Apart from the miracle, something of mystery and sacrament lies hidden in the deed itself. Let us knock, so that he may open and make us drunk with the invisible wine: for we too were water, and he made us wine, he made us wise; for we taste of his faith, we who were before unwise. And perhaps it belongs to that very wisdom to understand, with honor to God and with praise of his majesty and with love of his most mighty mercy, what was done in this miracle.

Matt 7:7 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 2:9 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The God-man who made all things also turned water into wine, and the deed conceals a mystery: as water became wine, so we, once unwise, have been made wise by faith.

  • Allusion: Matt 7:7 ('knock, and it will be opened'). The wordplay sapientes ('wise') and sapimus ('we taste') cannot be fully kept in English.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text (Nen itaque → Non itaque); OCR slip in the digital text (fccit → fecit); OCR slip in the digital text (feeit → fecit); OCR slip in the digital text (ilii homo → illi homo); OCR slip in the digital text (in viam conversam → in vinum conversam); OCR slip in the digital text (inter dos → inter nos); OCR slip in the digital text (mi raculo → miraculo)): in viam conversam → in vinum conversam; ilii homo → illi homo; Nen itaque → Non itaque; feeit → fecit; inter dos → inter nos; fccit → fecit; mi raculo → miraculo.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.3 (PL 35:1451; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.4PL 35:1451

Dominus invitatus ad nuptias venit. Quid mirum si in illam domum ad nuptias venit, qui in hunc mundum ad nuptias venit? Si enim non venit ad nuptias, non hic habet sponsam. Et quid est quod ait Apostolus, Aptavi vos uni viro, virginem castam exhi­ bere Christo? Quid est quod timet ne virginitas sponsae Christi per astutiam diaboli corrumpatur? Timeo, in­ quit, ne sicut serpens Evam seduxit astutia sua, sic et vestrœ mentes corrumpantur a simplicitate et castitate quœ est in Christo. Habet ergo hic sponsam quam redemit sanguine suo, et cui pignus dedit Spiritum sanctum. Eruit eam de mancipatu diaboli: mortuus est propter delicta ejus, resurrexit propter justificationem ejus. Quis offeret tanta sponsae suae? Offerant homines quaelibet ornamenta terrarum; aurum, argentum, la­ pides pretiosos, equos, mancipia, fundos, praedia: numquid aliquis offeret sanguinem suum? Si enim sanguinem suum sponsae dederit, non erit qui ducat uxorem. Dominus autem securus moriens, dedit sanguinem suum pro ea quam resurgens haberet, quam sibi jam conjunxerat in utero Virginis. Verbum enim sponsus, et sponsa caro humana; et utrumque unus Filius Dei, et idem filius hominis: ubi factus est caput Ecclesiae, ille uterus virginis Mariae thalamus ejus, inde processit tanquam sponsus de thalamo suo, sicut Scriptura praedixit, Et ipse tanquam spon­ sus procedens de thalamo suo, exsultavit ut gigas ad currendam viam; de thalamo proces­ sit velut sponsus, et invitatus venit ad nuptias.

The Lord came to the wedding when invited. What wonder is it if he came to a wedding in that house, who came into this world for a wedding? For if he did not come to a wedding, he has no bride here. And what is it that the apostle says: "I have betrothed you to one husband, to present a chaste virgin to Christ"? Why does he fear that the virginity of Christ's bride may be corrupted by the cunning of the devil? "I fear," he says, "lest, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity and chastity that is in Christ." So he has here a bride whom he redeemed with his blood, and to whom he gave the Holy Spirit as a pledge. He rescued her from bondage to the devil; he died for her sins, he rose for her justification. Who will offer so much to his bride? Let men offer any ornaments of the earth: gold, silver, precious stones, horses, slaves, farms, estates: will anyone offer his own blood? For if he gives his blood to his bride, there will be no one to marry her. But the Lord, dying without fear, gave his blood for her whom he would have when he rose, whom he had already joined to himself in the Virgin's womb. For the Word is the bridegroom, and human flesh the bride; and both together are one Son of God, and the same Son of Man. Where he was made head of the Church, that womb of the Virgin Mary was his bridal chamber; from there he came forth like a bridegroom from his chamber, as Scripture foretold: "And he, like a bridegroom coming forth from his chamber, rejoiced like a giant to run his course." He came forth from the chamber like a bridegroom, and, invited, came to the wedding.

2 Cor 11:2 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 19:5 (18:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 20:28 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 1:22 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 4:25 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 5:23 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Christ, who came into the world to wed his bride the Church, bought with his blood, came fittingly to the wedding at Cana; the Virgin's womb was the bridal chamber where the Word was joined to human flesh.

  • Quotations: 2 Cor 11:2-3; Ps 19:5 (18:6 LXX/Vulg.); allusions to John 2:2; Acts 20:28; 2 Cor 1:22; Rom 4:25; Eph 5:23.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.4 (PL 35:1451; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.5PL 35:1451–1453

Certi sacramenti gratia, videtur matrem de qua sponsus processit, non agnoscere, et dicere illi, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? nondum venit hora mea. Quid est hoc? ideone venit ad nuptias, ut doceret matres contemni? Utique ad cujus nuptias venerat, ideo ducebat uxorem, ut filios procrearet; et ab eis quos ut procrearet optabat, utique honorari cupiebat: ille ergo venerat ad nuptias, ut exhonoraret matrem, cum propter filios habendos, quibus reddere honorem parentibus imperat Deus, ipsae nuptiae celebrentur, et ducantur uxores? Procul dubio, fratres, latet ibi aliquid. Nam tanta res est, ut quidam, quos cavendos praemonuit Apostolus, sicut supra commemoravimus, dicens, Timeo ne sicut serpens Evam seduxit astutia sua, sic et vestrœ mentes corrumpantur a simplicitate et castitate quce est in Christo, derogantes Evangelio, et dicentes quod Jesus non sit natus de Maria Virgine, hinc argumentum sumere conarentur erroris sui, ut dicerent, Quomodo erat mater ejus, cui dixit, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Respondendum ergo est eis, et disserendum quare hoc dixerit Dominus; ne sibi aliquid adversus sanam fidem insanientes invenisse videantur, unde sponsæ virginis castitas corrumpa­ tur, id est, unde fides Ecclesiae violetur. Revera enim, fratres, corrumpitur fides eorum qui praeponunt men­ dacium veritati. Nam isti qui videntur sic honorare Christum, ut negent eum carnem habuisse, nihil aliud eum quam mendacem praedicant. Qui ergo mendacium ædificant in hominibus, quid ab eis ex­ pellunt, nisi veritatem? Immittunt diabolum, exclu­ dunt Christum; immittunt adulterum, excludunt spon­ sum: paranymphi scilicet, vel potius lenones ser­ pentis. Ad hoc enim loquuntur ut serpens possideat, Christus excludatur. Quomodo possidet serpens? Quando possidet mendacium. Quando possidet fal­ sitas, serpens possidet: quando possidet veritas, Christus possidet. Ipse enim dixit, Ego sum veritas: de illo autem dixit, Et in veritate non stetit, quia veritas non est in eo. Sic est autem veritas Christus, ut totum verum accipias in Christo. Verum Verbum, Deus æqualis Patri, vera anima, vera caro, verus homo, verus Deus, vera na­ tivitas, vera passio, vera mors, vera resurrectio. Si aliquid horum dixeris falsum, intrat putredo, de veneno serpentis nascuntur vermes mendaciorum, et nihil integrum remanebit.

For the sake of a certain sacrament he seems not to acknowledge the mother from whom the bridegroom came forth, and to say to her, "What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come." What is this? Did he come to the wedding to teach that mothers are to be despised? Surely the man to whose wedding he had come was taking a wife in order to beget children, and surely he wished to be honored by those he wished to beget. Had Jesus, then, come to the wedding to dishonor his mother, when weddings are celebrated and wives are married for the sake of having children, whom God commands to honor their parents? Without doubt, brothers, something lies hidden there. For it is so great a matter that certain people, against whom the apostle warned us, as we mentioned above, saying, "I fear lest, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity and chastity that is in Christ," disparaging the Gospel and saying that Jesus was not born of the Virgin Mary, tried to draw from this an argument for their error, saying, "How was she his mother, to whom he said, 'What have I to do with you, woman?'" So we must answer them and explain why the Lord said this, lest in their madness they seem to themselves to have found something against sound faith, by which the chastity of the virgin bride may be corrupted, that is, by which the faith of the Church may be violated. For truly, brothers, the faith of those is corrupted who prefer a lie to the truth. For those who seem to honor Christ so as to deny that he had flesh proclaim him nothing other than a liar. So those who build a lie in men, what do they drive out of them but the truth? They let in the devil, they shut out Christ; they let in the adulterer, they shut out the bridegroom: groomsmen, forsooth, or rather pimps of the serpent. For they speak to this end, that the serpent may possess and Christ be shut out. How does the serpent possess? When a lie possesses. When falsehood possesses, the serpent possesses; when truth possesses, Christ possesses. For he himself said, "I am the truth"; but of the other he said, "And he did not stand in the truth, because the truth is not in him." And Christ is the truth in such a way that you should accept that everything in Christ is true: true Word, God equal to the Father, true soul, true flesh, true man, true God, true birth, true passion, true death, true resurrection. If you say that any of these is false, rottenness enters; from the serpent's poison worms of lies are born, and nothing will remain whole.

John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 11:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Exod 20:12 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ's apparently cold words to his mother at Cana hide a mystery; heretics who deny that he had real flesh use them to claim Mary was not his mother, but Christ is wholly true, with true flesh, birth, death, and resurrection.

  • Quotations: John 2:4; 2 Cor 11:3; John 14:6; John 8:44; allusion to Exod 20:12. The heretics who denied that Christ had real flesh are the Manichees (named in 8.8); translated as written.

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Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.5 (PL 35:1451–1453; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.6PL 35:1453

Quid est ergo, inquit, quod ait Dominus, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Forte in eo quod sequitur ostendit nobis Dominus quare hoc dixerit: Nondum, inquit, venit hora mea. Sic enim ait, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? nondum venit hora mea. Et hoc cur di­ ctum sit, requirendum est. Prius ergo hinc resistamus hæreticis. Quid dicit serpens veternosus, venenorum insibilator et inspirator antiquus? quid dicit? Non habuit matrem feminam Jesus. Unde probas? Quia dixit, inquit, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Quis hoc narravit, ut credamus quia hoc dixit? quis hoc narra­ vit? Nempe Joannes evangelista. At ipse Joannes evangelista dixit, Et erat ibi mater Jesu. Nam ita nar­ ravit: Altera die nuptiœ factœ sunt in Cana Galilœœ, et erat ibi mater Jesu. Venerat autem illuc invitatus ad nuptias cum discipulis suis. Tenemus duas sententias ab Evangelista prolatas. Erat ibi mater Jesu, Evan­ gelista dixit: quid dixerit matri suae Jesus, ipse Evangelista dixit. Et quomodo dixit respondisse matri suæ Jesum, ut primo diceret, Ait illi mater ejus, videte, fratres, ut adversus linguam serpentis muni­ tam virginitatem cordis habeatis. Illic in ipso Evan­ gelio eo ipso evangelista narrante dicitur, Erat ibi mater Jesu; et, Dixit illi mater ejus. Quis hoc narra­ vit? Joannes evangelista. Et quid respondit matri Jesus? Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Quis hoc narrat? Idem ipse Joannes evangelista. O Evangelista fidelis­ sime et veracissime, tu mihi narras dixisse Jesum, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? cur ei apposuisti matrem quam non agnoscit? Nam tu dixisti quia ibi erat ma­ ter Jesu, et quia dixit ei mater ejus: cur non potius dixisti, Erat ibi Maria; et, Dixit ei Maria? Utrumque tu narras, et, Dixit ei mater ejus; et, Respondit ei Je­ sus, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Quare hoc, nisi quia utrumque verum est? Illi autem in eo volunt credere Evangelistae, quod narrat Jesum dixisse matri, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? et in eo nolunt credere Evan­ gelistae quod ait, Erat ibi mater Jesu; et, Dixit ei mater ejus. Quis est autem qui resistit serpenti, et tenet ve­ ritatem, cujus virginitas cordis non corrumpitur astutia diaboli? Qui utrumque verum credit; et quia erat ibi mater Jesu, et quia illud respondit matri Jesus. Sed si nondum intelligit quemadmodum dixe­ rit Jesus, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? interim cre­ dat quod dixerit, et quod matri dixerit. Sit primo pietas in credente, et erit fructus in intelligente.

"What, then," someone says, "is it that the Lord says, 'What have I to do with you, woman?'" Perhaps in what follows the Lord shows us why he said this: "My hour," he says, "has not yet come." For this is how he says it: "What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come." And why this was said must be inquired. But first let us resist the heretics on this point. What does the decrepit serpent say, the ancient hisser and breather of poisons? What does he say? "Jesus did not have a woman as his mother." How do you prove it? "Because he said," he says, "'What have I to do with you, woman?'" Who reported this, so that we should believe that he said it? Who reported it? Certainly John the evangelist. But the same John the evangelist said, "And the mother of Jesus was there." For so he reported: "The next day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. And he had come there, invited to the wedding with his disciples." We hold two statements put forward by the evangelist. "The mother of Jesus was there," the evangelist said; what Jesus said to his mother, the evangelist himself said. And see, brothers, how he said that Jesus answered his mother, so that he first said, "His mother said to him," so that you may have virginity of heart fortified against the tongue of the serpent. There in the same Gospel, with the same evangelist reporting, it is said, "The mother of Jesus was there," and, "His mother said to him." Who reported this? John the evangelist. And what did Jesus answer his mother? "What have I to do with you, woman?" Who reports this? The very same John the evangelist. O most faithful and most truthful evangelist, you tell me that Jesus said, "What have I to do with you, woman?" Why did you add his mother, whom he does not acknowledge? For you said that the mother of Jesus was there, and that his mother said to him; why did you not rather say, "Mary was there," and, "Mary said to him"? You report both: "His mother said to him," and, "Jesus answered her, What have I to do with you, woman?" Why this, unless because both are true? But those people are willing to believe the evangelist when he reports that Jesus said to his mother, "What have I to do with you, woman?" and unwilling to believe the evangelist when he says, "The mother of Jesus was there," and, "His mother said to him." But who is it that resists the serpent and holds the truth, whose virginity of heart is not corrupted by the cunning of the devil? He who believes both to be true: both that the mother of Jesus was there, and that Jesus gave that answer to his mother. But if he does not yet understand how Jesus said, "What have I to do with you, woman?" let him meanwhile believe that he said it, and said it to his mother. Let there first be piety in the believer, and there will be fruit in the one who understands.

John 2:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:2 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:3 (allusion, high confidence) · John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: The same evangelist who reports 'What have I to do with you, woman?' also says that 'the mother of Jesus was there' and spoke to him; whoever believes the one must believe the other.

  • Quotations: John 2:1-4.

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Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.6 (PL 35:1453; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.7PL 35:1453–1455

Interrogo vos, o fideles Christiani, Erat ibi ma­ ter Jesu? respondete, Erat Unde scitis? respondete, Hoc loquitur Evangelium. Quid respondit matri Je­ sus? respondete, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? non­ dum venit hora mea. Et hoc unde scitis? respondete, Hoc loquitur Evangelium. Nullus vobis corrumpat hanc fidem, si vultis sponso servare castam virgini­ tatem. Si autem quæritur a vobis, cur hoc matri re­ sponderit; dicat qui intelligit: qui autem nondum intelligit, firmissime tamen credat, hoc respondisse, et tamen matri respondisse Jesum. Hac pietate mere­ bitur etiam intelligere cur ita responderit, si orando pulset, et non rixando accedat ad ostium veritatis. Tantum caveat, ne dum se putat scire, aut erubescit nescire cur ita responderit, cogatur credere aut Evangelistam fuisse mentitum qui ait, Erat ibi mater Jesu: aut ipsum Christum falsa morte passum pro­ pter delicta nostra, et falsas cicatrices ostendisse pro­ pter justificationem nostram; falsumque dixisse, Si manseritis in verbo meo, vere discipuli mei estis; et cognoscetis veritatem, et veritas liberabit vos. Si enim falsa mater, falsa caro, falsa mors, falsa vulnera passionis, falsæ cicatrices resurrectionis; non veritas credentes in eum, sed potius falsitas libera­ bit. Imo vero falsitas cedat veritati, et confundantur omnes qui propterea se volunt videri veraces, quia Christum conantur demonstrare fallacem; et nolunt sibi dici, Non vobis credimus quia mentimini; cum ipsam veritatem dicant esse mentitam. Quibus tamen si dicamus, Unde nostis dixisse Christum, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Evangelio se credidisse respondent. Cur non credunt Evangelio dicenti, Erat ibi mater Jesu; et, Dixit ei mater ejus? Aut si hoc mentitur Evangelium, quomodo ei creditur quod dixerit Jesus, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? Cur non potius miseri, et quod ita non extraneae, sed matri Dominus responderit, fideliter credunt; et cur ita responderit, pie quaerunt? Multum enim interest inter eum qui dicit, Volo scire quare Christus hoc matri responderit; et eum qui dicit, Scio quod hoc Christus non matri responderit. Aliud est intelligere velle quod clausum est, aliud nolle credere quod apertum est. Qui dicit, Scire volo cur ita Christus matri responderit, aperiri sibi vult Evangelium cui credit: qui autem dicit, Scio quod hoc Christus non matri responderit, ipsum Evangelium arguit de mendacio, ubi credidit quod Christus ita responderit.

I ask you, O faithful Christians: was the mother of Jesus there? Answer, "She was." How do you know? Answer, "The Gospel says so." What did Jesus answer his mother? Answer, "What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come." And how do you know this? Answer, "The Gospel says so." Let no one corrupt this faith of yours, if you wish to keep a chaste virginity for the bridegroom. But if you are asked why he gave this answer to his mother, let him who understands say it; but let him who does not yet understand still most firmly believe that Jesus gave this answer, and gave it to his mother. By this piety he will merit to understand also why he answered so, if he knocks at the door of truth by praying and does not approach by quarreling. Only let him beware, while he thinks he knows, or is ashamed not to know, why he answered so, lest he be forced to believe either that the evangelist lied who said, "The mother of Jesus was there," or that Christ himself suffered a false death for our sins and showed false scars for our justification, and spoke falsely when he said, "If you remain in my word, you are truly my disciples; and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." For if the mother was false, the flesh false, the death false, the wounds of the passion false, the scars of the resurrection false, then not truth but rather falsehood will set free those who believe in him. Rather, let falsehood yield to truth, and let all be confounded who want to seem truthful precisely because they try to show Christ a deceiver, and do not want it said to them, "We do not believe you, because you lie," while they say that the Truth himself has lied. Yet if we say to them, "How do you know that Christ said, 'What have I to do with you, woman?'" they answer that they believed the Gospel. Why do they not believe the Gospel when it says, "The mother of Jesus was there," and, "His mother said to him"? Or if the Gospel lies here, how is it believed when it says that Jesus said, "What have I to do with you, woman?" Why do these wretched people not rather believe faithfully that the Lord answered so not to a stranger but to his mother, and inquire devoutly why he answered so? For there is a great difference between one who says, "I want to know why Christ gave this answer to his mother," and one who says, "I know that Christ did not give this answer to his mother." It is one thing to want to understand what is closed, another to refuse to believe what is open. He who says, "I want to know why Christ answered his mother so," wants the Gospel in which he believes to be opened to him; but he who says, "I know that Christ did not give this answer to his mother," accuses of falsehood the very Gospel in which he believed that Christ answered so.

John 2:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:31 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:32 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:25 (allusion, high confidence) · John 20:27 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: The faithful should believe that Christ spoke these words to his true mother and seek their meaning by prayer; to deny that Mary was his mother makes the Gospel a liar and Christ's flesh, death, and resurrection false.

  • Quotations: John 2:1, 3-4; John 8:31-32; allusions to Rom 4:25; John 20:27.

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Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.7 (PL 35:1453–1455; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.8PL 35:1455

Jam ergo si placet, fratres, illis repulsis, et in sua cæcitate errantibus semper, nisi humiliter sanen­ tur, nos quaeramus, quare Dominus noster sic matri responderit. Ille singulariter natus de Patre sine ma­ tre, de matre sine patre; sine matre Deus, sine patre homo; sine matre ante tempora, sine patre in fine temporum. Quod respondit, matri respondit: quia, Erat ibi mater Jesu; et, Dixit ei mater ejus. Hoc totum Evangelium loquitur. Illic novimus quia erat ibi ma­ ter Jesu, ubi novimus quod dixerit ei, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? nondum venit hora mea. Totum cre­ damus, et quod nondum intelligimus requiramus. Et primum hoc videte, ne forte quomodo invene­ runt Manichæi occasionem perfidiæ suæ, quia dixit Dominus, Quid mihi et tibi est mulier? sic inveniant mathematici occasionem fallaciæ suæ, quia dixit, Nondum venit hora mea. Et si hoc secundum mathe­ maticos dixit, sacrilegium fecimus incendendo codi­ ces eorum. Si autem recte fecimus, sicut Apostolorum temporibus factum est; non secundum eos dixit Dominus, Nondum venit hora mea. Dicunt enim vaniloqui et seducti seductores, Vides quia sub fato erat Christus, qui dicit, Nondum venit hora mea. Quibus ergo prius respondendum est, haereticis, an mathematicis? Utrique enim a serpente illo veniunt, volentes corrumpere virginitatem cordis Ecclesiæ, quam habet in integra fide. Primo si placet, eis quos proposueramus, quibus quidem jam ex magna parte respondimus. Sed ne arbitrentur nos non habere quid dicamus de his verbis quae Dominus matri respondit, vos magis adversus illos instruimus: nam illis refellendis, puto quod sufficiant quae jam di­ cta sunt.

Now, then, if you please, brothers, leaving them repulsed and wandering for ever in their blindness unless they are humbly healed, let us inquire why our Lord answered his mother so. He was uniquely born of the Father without a mother, of a mother without a father: without a mother God, without a father man; without a mother before all times, without a father at the end of times. What he answered, he answered his mother: because "the mother of Jesus was there," and "his mother said to him." The whole Gospel says this. There we know that the mother of Jesus was there, where we know that he said to her, "What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come." Let us believe the whole, and inquire into what we do not yet understand. And first see to this: lest perhaps, just as the Manichees found an occasion for their faithlessness because the Lord said, "What have I to do with you, woman?" so the astrologers may find an occasion for their deception because he said, "My hour has not yet come." And if he said this in the astrologers' sense, we committed sacrilege in burning their books. But if we acted rightly, as was done in the times of the apostles, the Lord did not say "My hour has not yet come" in their sense. For these vain talkers, seduced seducers, say, "You see that Christ was under fate, since he says, 'My hour has not yet come.'" To whom, then, should we answer first, the heretics or the astrologers? For both come from that serpent, wishing to corrupt the virginity of heart of the Church, which she has in her undefiled faith. First, if you please, those whom we had proposed, to whom indeed we have already answered for the most part. But lest they think that we have nothing to say about these words which the Lord answered his mother, we equip you further against them; for to refute them I think what has already been said suffices.

John 2:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:3 (quotation, high confidence) · John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 19:19 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ, born of the Father without a mother and of Mary without a father, did speak these words to his mother; neither the Manichees, who deny her motherhood, nor the astrologers, who claim 'my hour' shows Christ was under fate, may exploit them.

  • Quotations: John 2:1, 3-4; allusion to Acts 19:19 (the burning of magical books in the time of the apostles). The burning of astrologers' books refers to a practice of Augustine's church; his polemic against the Manichees and astrologers is translated as written.

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Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.8 (PL 35:1455; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.9PL 35:1455

Cur ergo ait matri filius, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? nondum venit hora mea. Dominus noster Jesus Christus, et Deus erat et homo: secundum quod Deus erat, matrem non habebat; secundum quod homo erat, habebat. Mater ergo erat carnis, mater humanitatis, mater infirmitatis quam suscepit propter nos. Miracu­ lum autem quod facturus erat, secundum divinitatem facturus erat, non secundum infirmitatem; secundum quod Deus erat, non secundum quod infirmus natus erat. Sed infirmum Dei fortius est hominibus. Miraculum ergo exigebat mater; at ille tanquam non agnoscit viscera humana, operaturus facta divina; tanquam dicens, Quod de me facit miraculum, non tu genuisti, divinitatem meam non tu genuisti: sed quia genuisti infirmitatem meam, tunc te cogno­ scam, cum ipsa infirmitas pendebit in cruce: hoc est enim, Nondum venit hora mea. Tunc enim cognovit, qui utique semper noverat. Et antequam de illa natus esset, in praedestinatione noverat matrem; et ante­ quam ipse Deus crearet, de qua ipse homo crearetur, noverat matrem: sed ad quamdam horam in mysterio non agnoscit; et ad quamdam horam quæ nondum ve­ nerat, in mysterio rursus agnoscit. Tunc enim agno­ vit, quando illud quod peperit moriebatur. Non enim moriebatur per quod facta erat Maria, sed moriebatur quod factum erat ex Maria: non moriebatur aeternitas divinitatis, sed moriebatur infirmitas carnis. Illud ergo respondit, discernens in fide credentium, quis, qua venerit. Venit enim per matrem feminam, Deus et Dominus cœli et terræ. Secundum quod Dominus mundi, quod Dominus coeli et terræ. Dominus utique et Mariæ; secundum quod creator coeli et terræ, crea­ tor et Mariæ: secundum autem quod dictum est, Fa­ ctum ex muliere, factum sub Lege, filius Mariae. Ipse Dominus Mariæ, ipse filius Mariæ: ipse creator Mariæ, ipse creatus ex Maria. Noli mirari quia et filius et Dominus: sicut enim Mariae, ita et David dictus est filius; et ideo David filius, quia Mariæ filius. Audi Apostolum aperte dicentem, Qui factus est ei ex semine David secundum carnem. Audi eum et Dominum David; dicat hoc ipse David: Dixit Domi­ nus Domino meo, Sede ad dexteram meam. Et ipse Jesus hoc proposuit Judaeis, et eos inde convi­ cit. Quomodo ergo David et filius et dominus; filius David secundum carnem, dominus David secundum divinitatem: sic Mariæ filius secun­ dum carnem, et Mariæ dominus secundum majestatem. Quia ergo non erat illa mater divinitatis, et per divi­ nitatem futurum erat miraculum quod petebat; re­ spondit ei, Quid mihi et tibi est, mulier? sed ne putes quod te negem matrem, Nondum venit hora mea: ibi enim te agnoscam, cum pendere in cruce coeperit in­ firmitas cujus mater es. Probemus si verum est. Quando passus est Dominus, sicut idem evangelista dicit, qui noverat matrem Domini, et qui nobis insinuavit etiam in his nuptiis matrem Domini, ipse narrat: Erat, in­ quit, illic circa crucem mater Jesu, et ait Jesus matri suœ, Mulier, ecce filius tuus: et ad discipulum, Ecce mater tua. Commendat matrem di­ scipulo: commendat matrem prior matre moriturus, et ante matris mortem resurrecturus; commendat homo homini hominem. Hoc pepererat Maria. Illa hora jam venerat, de qua tunc dixerat, Nondum venit hora mea.

Why, then, did the son say to his mother, "What have I to do with you, woman? My hour has not yet come"? Our Lord Jesus Christ was both God and man: as God he had no mother; as man he had. So she was the mother of the flesh, the mother of the humanity, the mother of the weakness that he took on for our sake. But the miracle he was about to do he was about to do according to his divinity, not according to his weakness; according to what he was as God, not according to what he was as born weak. "But the weakness of God is stronger than men." So his mother was asking for a miracle; but he, about to perform divine deeds, as it were did not acknowledge the human womb, as if saying, "What in me does the miracle, you did not bear; my divinity you did not bear; but because you bore my weakness, I will acknowledge you then, when that very weakness hangs on the cross." For this is what "My hour has not yet come" means. For then he acknowledged her, he who of course always knew her. Even before he was born of her, he knew his mother in predestination; and before he himself as God created her of whom he himself as man would be created, he knew his mother. But at a certain hour, in a mystery, he does not acknowledge her; and at a certain hour, which had not yet come, in a mystery he acknowledges her again. For he acknowledged her then, when what she had borne was dying. For that through which Mary was made was not dying, but what was made from Mary was dying: not the eternity of the divinity, but the weakness of the flesh was dying. So he gave that answer, distinguishing in the faith of believers who he was and by what way he had come. For he came through a woman as mother, he who is God and Lord of heaven and earth. As Lord of the world, as Lord of heaven and earth, he is certainly Lord of Mary too; as creator of heaven and earth, creator of Mary too. But according to what was said, "Made of a woman, made under the law," he is the son of Mary. He himself is Lord of Mary, he himself is son of Mary; he himself is creator of Mary, he himself was created from Mary. Do not wonder that he is both son and Lord: for as he was called son of Mary, so he was called son of David; and son of David because son of Mary. Hear the apostle saying plainly, "Who was made for him of the seed of David according to the flesh." Hear that he is also David's Lord; let David himself say it: "The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand." And Jesus himself put this to the Jews and refuted them by it. Just as, then, he is both son and lord of David, son of David according to the flesh, lord of David according to the divinity, so he is son of Mary according to the flesh and Lord of Mary according to the majesty. Since, then, she was not the mother of the divinity, and the miracle she was asking for was to be done through the divinity, he answered her, "What have I to do with you, woman?" But lest you think that I deny you are my mother, "My hour has not yet come": for there I will acknowledge you, when the weakness whose mother you are begins to hang on the cross. Let us prove whether this is true. When the Lord suffered, as the same evangelist says, who knew the Lord's mother and who made known to us the Lord's mother at this wedding too, he himself reports: "There was," he says, "by the cross the mother of Jesus; and Jesus said to his mother, Woman, behold your son; and to the disciple, Behold your mother." He commends his mother to the disciple; about to die before his mother, and to rise again before his mother's death, he commends his mother; a man commends a human being to a human being. This is what Mary had borne. That hour had now come of which he had then said, "My hour has not yet come."

John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 110:1 (109:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:44 (allusion, high confidence) · John 19:25 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:26 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:27 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Mary was mother of Christ's humanity, not his divinity, by which he was to work the miracle; so he 'did not acknowledge' her at Cana, but acknowledged her at 'his hour' on the cross, when the weakness she bore was dying and he commended her to the disciple.

  • Quotations: John 2:4; 1 Cor 1:25; Gal 4:4; Rom 1:3; Ps 110:1 (109:1 LXX/Vulg.); John 19:25-27; allusion to Matt 22:41-46. Migne's inline reference '(Psal. CIX.I)' is removed. 'Made for him' (factus est ei) follows the digital text of Rom 1:3. Augustine's Christology is translated as written.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.9 (PL 35:1455; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.10PL 35:1455–1457

Quantum arbitror, fratres, responsum est haereticis: mathematicis respondeamus. Et ipsi unde co­ nantur convincere quia sub fato erat Jesus? Quia ipse ait, inquiunt, Nondum venit hora mea. Ergo illi cre­ dimus; et si dixisset, Horam non habeo, exclusisset mathematicos: sed ecce, inquiunt, ipse dixit, Non­ dum venit hora mea. Si ergo dixisset, Horam non habeo, exclusisset mathematicos, non esset unde calumniarentur: nunc vero quia dixit, Nondum venit hora mea, contra ipsius verba quid possumus dicere? Mirum est quod mathematici credendo verbis Chri­ sti, conantur convincere Christianos quod sub hora fatali vixerit Christus. Credant ergo Christo dicenti, Potestatem habeo ponendi animam meam, et iterum su­ mendi eam: nemo tollit eam a me, sed ego pono eam a meipso, et iterum sumo eam. Ergone ista potestas sub fato est? Ostendant hominem qui potesta­ tem habeat quando moriatur, quamdiu vivat: omnino non ostendent. Credant ergo Deo dicenti, Potestatem habeo ponendi animam meam, et iterum sumendi eam: et quærant quare sit dictum, Nondum venit hora mea; nec ideo jam sub fato ponant conditorem cœli, creatorem atque ordinatorem siderum. Quia si esset fatum de sideribus, non poterat esse sub necessitate siderum conditor siderum. Adde quia non solum Christus non habuit quod appellas fatum; sed nec tu, aut ego, aut ille, aut quisquam hominum.

As far as I judge, brothers, the heretics have been answered; let us answer the astrologers. And how do they try to prove that Jesus was under fate? "Because he himself said," they say, "'My hour has not yet come.' So we believe him; and if he had said, 'I have no hour,' he would have excluded the astrologers; but see," they say, "he himself said, 'My hour has not yet come.'" If, then, he had said, "I have no hour," he would have excluded the astrologers; there would be nothing for them to slander: but now, because he said, "My hour has not yet come," what can we say against his own words? It is strange that the astrologers, by believing Christ's words, try to convince Christians that Christ lived under a fated hour. Then let them believe Christ when he says, "I have power to lay down my life and to take it up again: no one takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself, and I take it up again." Is this power, then, under fate? Let them show a man who has power over when he will die, how long he will live: they will certainly not show one. Let them believe God, then, when he says, "I have power to lay down my life and to take it up again"; and let them inquire why it was said, "My hour has not yet come"; and let them not on that account place under fate the founder of heaven, the creator and orderer of the stars. For even if fate came from the stars, the founder of the stars could not be under the necessity of the stars. Add that not only did Christ not have what you call fate; neither do you, nor I, nor he, nor any human being.

John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:18 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Against astrologers who claim 'my hour' shows Christ was subject to fate, Augustine cites Christ's power to lay down his life and take it up again; the maker of the stars cannot be under the stars, and no human being is subject to fate either.

  • Quotations: John 2:4; John 10:18 (with 10:17). Augustine's rejection of astrological fate is translated as written.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.10 (PL 35:1455–1457; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.11PL 35:1457

Verumtamen seducti seducunt, et proponunt fallacias hominibus: tendunt ad capiendos homines, et hoc in plateis. Nam qui tendunt ad capiendas fe­ ras, vel in silvis atque in solitudine id agunt: quam infeliciter vani sunt homines, quibus capiendis in foro tenditur! Nummos accipiunt, cum se homines homini­ bus vendunt; dant isti nummos, ut se vanitatibus ven­ dant. Intrant enim ad mathematicum, ut emant sibi dominos, quales mathematico dare placuerit; vel Sa­ turnum, vel Jovem, vel Mercurium, vel si quid aliud sacrilegi nominis. Intravit liber, ut nummis datis servus exiret. Imo vero non intraret, si liber esset: sed intravit quo eum dominus error, et domina cupiditas traxit. Unde et Veritas dicit: Omnis qui facit peccatum, servus est peccati.

Nevertheless, seduced, they seduce, and set traps for men: they spread nets to catch men, and that in the streets. For those who spread nets to catch wild beasts do so at least in forests and wilderness: how wretchedly vain are men, for whose catching nets are spread in the forum! When men sell themselves to men, they receive money; these give money in order to sell themselves to vanities. For they go in to the astrologer to buy themselves masters, such as the astrologer is pleased to give: Saturn, or Jupiter, or Mercury, or whatever else of sacrilegious name. He went in free, so as to come out a slave, having paid his money. Or rather, he would not have gone in if he were free; but he went in where his master Error and his mistress Greed dragged him. Hence the Truth also says, "Everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin."

John 8:34 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Those who consult astrologers pay money to buy themselves masters among the planets, entering already enslaved by error and greed.

  • Quotation: John 8:34.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text (ser- VIIS → servus)): ser- VIIS → servus.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.11 (PL 35:1457; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.12PL 35:1457

Quare ergo dixit, Nondum venit hora mea? Ma­ gis quia in potestate habebat quando moreretur, non­ dum videbat esse opportunum ut illa potestate uteretur. Quomodo nos, fratres, verbi gratia, sic loquimur, Jam certa hora est, qua exeamus ut celebremus sacramenta. Si ante exeamus quam opus est, nonne perversi et praeposteri sumus? Quia ergo non facimus, nisi quando opportunum est; propterea in his agen­ dis, cum ita loquimur, fatum consideramus? Quid est ergo, Nondum venit hora mea? Quando ego scio opportunum me pati, quando passio mea utilis erit, nondum venit ipsa hora; tunc voluntate patiar: ut utrumque serves, et, Nondum venit hora mea; et, Potestatem habeo ponendi animam meam, et iterum sumendi eam. Venerat ergo habens in potestate quando moreretur. At si ante moreretur quam discipulos elegisset, certe praeposterum esset: si esset homo qui non haberet in potestate horam suam, posset ante mori quam discipulos elegisset; et si forte moreretur jam electis eruditisque discipulis, præstaretur ei, non ipse hoc face­ ret. At vero qui venerat in manu habens quando iret, quando rediret, quo usque excurreret, cui paterent inferi, non tantum morienti, sed et resurgenti, ut nobis ostenderet spem immortalitatis Ecclesiæ suae, in ca­ pite ostendit quod membra exspectare deberent. Re­ surget etiam in cæteris membris, qui resurrexit in capite. Hora ergo nondum venerat, opportunitas non­ dum erat. Vocandi erant discipuli, annuntiandum erat regnum coelorum, faciendae erant virtutes, commen­ danda erat divinitas Domini in miraculis, commen­ danda erat humanitas Domini in ipsa compassione mortalitatis. Ille enim qui esuriebat, quia homo erat, pavit quinque panibus tot millia, quia Deus erat: qui dormiebat, quia homo erat, ventis et fluctibus impe­ rabat, quia Deus erat. Haec omnia commendanda erant prius, ut esset quod scriberent Evangelistæ, quod præ­ dicaretur Ecclesiæ. At ubi tantum fecit, quantum suf­ ficere judicavit; venit hora non necessitatis, sed vo­ luntatis, non conditionis, sed potestatis.

Why, then, did he say, "My hour has not yet come"? Rather because, having in his power when he would die, he did not yet see it to be opportune to use that power. Just as we, brothers, for example, speak thus: "Now is the fixed hour for us to go out to celebrate the sacraments." If we go out before it is needed, are we not perverse and preposterous? Because, then, we do nothing except when it is opportune, do we therefore consider fate in these actions when we speak so? What, then, does "My hour has not yet come" mean? "When I know it is opportune for me to suffer, when my passion will be useful, then I will suffer willingly; that hour has not yet come": so that you may keep both, "My hour has not yet come," and, "I have power to lay down my life and to take it up again." So he had come having in his power when he would die. And if he had died before choosing disciples, it would surely have been preposterous. If he were a man who did not have his hour in his power, he could have died before choosing disciples; and if perhaps he had died when the disciples were already chosen and taught, it would have been granted to him, not done by himself. But he who had come having in his hand when he would go, when he would return, how far he would go out, to whom the underworld lay open not only in dying but also in rising again, in order to show us the hope of immortality of his Church, showed in the head what the members ought to expect. He who rose again in the head will rise again also in the other members. So the hour had not yet come, the opportune time was not yet. Disciples had to be called, the kingdom of heaven had to be proclaimed, mighty works had to be done, the Lord's divinity had to be commended in miracles, the Lord's humanity had to be commended in his very sharing of mortality. For he who was hungry because he was man fed so many thousands with five loaves because he was God; he who slept because he was man commanded the winds and the waves because he was God. All these things had to be commended first, so that there might be something for the evangelists to write, something to be preached to the Church. But when he had done as much as he judged sufficient, the hour came, an hour not of necessity but of will, not of condition but of power.

John 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 14:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 8:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 8:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 4:2 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: 'My hour' means the opportune time Christ himself chose to suffer, after calling disciples and showing his divinity and humanity, an hour not of necessity but of will and power.

  • Quotations: John 2:4; John 10:18; allusions to Matt 14:17-21; Matt 8:24-26; Matt 4:2. Stray marks in the digital text are removed.

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Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.12 (PL 35:1457; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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8.13PL 35:1457

Quid ergo, fratres, quia illis et illis respondi­ mus, nihil dicemus quid sibi velint hydriæ, quid aqua in vinum conversa, quid architriclinus, quid sponsus, quid mater Jesu in mysterio, quid ipsæ nuptiæ? Dicenda sunt omnia, sed onerandi non estis. Volui qui­ dem in nomine Christi et hesterno die, quo solet sermo deberi Charitati vestrae, id agere vobiscum, sed non sum permissus necessitatibus quibusdam impe­ dientibus. Si ergo placet Sanctitati vestræ, hoc quod ad mysterium pertinet hujus facti, in crastinum diffe­ ramus, et non oneremus et vestram et nostram infir­ mitatem. Sunt forte hodie multi qui propter solemni­ tatem diei, non propter audiendum sermonem conve­ nerunt. Crastino qui venient, veniant audituri; ut nec fraudemus studiosos, nec gravemus fastidiosos.

What then, brothers? Because we have answered these and those, shall we say nothing about what the jars mean, what the water turned into wine, what the master of the feast, what the bridegroom, what the mother of Jesus in the mystery, what the wedding itself? All must be spoken of, but you must not be burdened. I wished indeed, in the name of Christ, to do this with you yesterday too, when a sermon is customarily owed to your Charity, but I was not permitted, being hindered by certain necessities. If, then, it please your Holiness, let us put off until tomorrow what belongs to the mystery of this deed, and not burden both your weakness and ours. There are perhaps many today who have come together because of the solemnity of the day, not to hear the sermon. Let those who come tomorrow come to listen, so that we neither cheat the eager nor weigh down the fastidious.

John 2:6 (allusion, high confidence) · John 2:9 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine postpones the mystical meaning of the wedding at Cana, the jars, the wine, the steward, and the bridegroom, to the next day's sermon.

  • Allusions: John 2:6-10.

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  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text (Di. cenda → Dicenda); OCR slip in the digital text (nibil → nihil); OCR slip in the digital text (sponsIs → sponsus); OCR slip in the digital text (ut, nee → ut nec); OCR slip in the digital text (vinnm → vinum)): nibil → nihil; vinnm → vinum; sponsIs → sponsus; Di. cenda → Dicenda; ut, nee → ut nec.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 8.13 (PL 35:1457; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/8-1/#p-8-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne PL 35 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin), then compared batch by batch with the public-domain English of NPNF¹ 7 (Gibb and Innes, 1888); differences checked against the Latin.