Against Cresconius, a Donatist Grammarian 2.16–2.31
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra Cresconium (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 2
2.16CSEL 52:374–376
Iam enim locus est ut ostendam, quod in primo libro distuleramus, quid in ecclesia, quae sanctum corpus est. Christi, proprie possit accipi, quod praeter illam non potest accipi. de his enim, qui schismata faciebant, idem apostolus dicit: animalis autem homo non percipit quae sunt spiritus dei; primam ad Corinthios epistulam lege et inuenies. baptismus igitur sacramentum est nouae uitae ac salutis aeternae, quem multi habent non ad uitam aeternam, sed ad poenam aeternam, non bene utentes tanto bono: caritatem uero sanctam. quae est uinculum perfectionis, nemo potest habere non bonus. nemo qui habet potest esse uel schismaticus uel haereticus. cum ergo quisque ad ecclesiae ueniens unitatem, cum eius membris ueraciter copulatur, accipiat spiritum sanctum. per quem diffunditur caritas in cordibus nostris, eademque caritas cooperiat multitudinem peccatorum, ut et baptismum. quem primum habebat ad iudicium, habere iam mereatur ad praemium, quomodo eum mundari negas. nisi quia omnino quae sit mundatio spiritalis ignoras? non igitur, sicut conuiciaris, tamquam in asylum Romuli uestros nocentes recipimus. quos ciuitas dei recipiendo efficit innocentes, cum ad eam ueraci corde transierint, de qua eius conditor dicit: non potest ciuitas abscondi super montem constituta. non enim eam condidit, qui fratrem superbe occidit iratus, sed qui fratres humiliter redemit occisus. hanc spiritu sancto mundante laetificat. de quo clamabat dicens: si quis sitit, ueniat et bibat, non aquam uisibilem commendans, quae datur in baptismatis sacramento, quam et boni et mali habere possunt. quamuis sine illa boni salui fieri non possint. quae quamuis ecclesiae sit, tamen etiam foras profluit, cum et apud illos inuenitur, qui ex nobis exierunt, sed non erant ex nobis, sicut aqua in aliquo ex illis memorabilibus quattuor fluminibus negari non potest quod sit aqua paradisi, quamuis non sit in solo paradiso, quia etiam extra inde manauit.
For now is the place to show what we had put off in the first book: what can be received properly in the church, which is the holy body of Christ, which cannot be received outside it. For of those who were making schisms the same apostle says, “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God”; read the first letter to the Corinthians and you will find it. Baptism, then, is the sacrament of new life and eternal salvation, which many have not for eternal life but for eternal punishment, not using so great a good well; but holy love, which is the bond of perfection, no one can have who is not good, and no one who has it can be either a schismatic or a heretic. When, therefore, anyone coming to the unity of the church is truly joined with its members, receives the Holy Spirit, through whom love is poured out in our hearts, and that same love covers the multitude of sins, so that the baptism which he first had for judgment he now merits to have for reward, how do you deny that he is cleansed, unless because you are altogether ignorant of what spiritual cleansing is? We do not, then, as you abusively say, receive your guilty men as into the asylum of Romulus. The city of God, by receiving them, makes them innocent, when they have passed over to it with a true heart; the city of which its founder says, “A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.” For it was not founded by one who in anger proudly killed his brother, but by one who, being killed, humbly redeemed his brothers. This city he gladdens with the cleansing Holy Spirit, of whom he cried, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come and drink”; not commending the visible water which is given in the sacrament of baptism, which both good and bad can have, although without it the good cannot be saved. Although this water belongs to the church, it nevertheless flows out of doors too, since it is found also among those who went out from us but were not of us; just as the water in any of those four famous rivers cannot be denied to be water of paradise, although it is not in paradise alone, because it flowed out from there too.
1 Cor 2:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:5 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Pet 4:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 7:37 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 2:10 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine identifies what is given only in the church as the Holy Spirit's gift of love, which makes baptism, received outside, profitable.
- 1 Cor 2:14; Col 3:14; Rom 5:5; 1 Pet 4:8; Matt 5:14; John 7:37; 1 John 2:19; Gen 2:10–14. Romulus, founder of Rome, killed his brother Remus and opened an asylum for fugitives (Livy 1.8).
Extrabiblical texts: Livy, 1.8 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.16 (CSEL 52:374–376; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.17CSEL 52:376–377
Non ergo hanc aquam, sed aquae nomine inuisibile dei donum sanctum spiritum commendabat dicens: si quis sitit, ueniat et bibat, sicut euidenter euangelista testatur adiungens: hoc autem dicebat de spiritu quem accepturi erant credentes in eum; spiritus enim nondum erat datus, quia Iesus nondum fuerat clarificatus. et utique, quantum ad sacramentum attinet lauacri uisibilis, antequam esset resurgendo clarificatus, iam baptizauerat plures quam Iohannes, sicut ipsum loquitur euangelium. unde dicit discipulis suis: Iohannes quidem baptizauit aqua, uos autem spiritu sancto baptizabimini quem et accepturi estis non post multos dies hos usque ad pentecosten. hic sanctus spiritus ueniens in eos tale signum primitus dedit, ut, qui eum acceperant, linguis omnium gentium loquerentur, quia portendebat ecclesiam per omnes gentes futuram nec quemquam accepturum spiritum sanctum, nisi qui eius unitati copularetur. huius fontis largo atque inuisibili flumine laetificat deus ciuitatem suam, de qua propheta praedixit: fluminis impetus laetificant ciuitatem dei. ad hunc enim fontem nullus extraneus, quia nullus nisi uita aeterna dignus. accedit. hic est proprius ecclesiae Christi, cui tanto ante prophetatum est: fons aquae tuae sit tibi proprius et nemo alienus communicet tibi. de hac enim ecclesia et de isto fonte dicitur et in Cantico canticorum: hortus conclusus, fons signatus, puteus aquae uiuae.
It was not, then, this water that he was commending, but under the name of water the invisible gift of God, the Holy Spirit, when he said, “If anyone thirsts, let him come and drink,” as the evangelist plainly testifies, adding, “Now he said this about the Spirit whom those who believed in him were to receive; for the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.” And certainly, as far as the sacrament of the visible washing is concerned, before he was glorified by rising again he had already baptized more than John, as the gospel itself says. Hence he says to his disciples, “John indeed baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit, whom you are also to receive not many days from now,” that is, at Pentecost. This Holy Spirit, coming upon them, first gave such a sign that those who had received him spoke in the tongues of all nations, because it foretold that the church would be among all nations and that no one would receive the Holy Spirit except one joined to its unity. With the abundant and invisible river of this fountain God gladdens his city, of which the prophet foretold, “The rush of the river gladdens the city of God.” For no stranger comes to this fountain, because no one does except one worthy of eternal life. This is the church of Christ's own, to which it was prophesied so long before, “Let the fountain of your water be your own, and let no stranger share it with you.” For of this church and of this fountain it is said also in the Song of Songs, “A garden enclosed, a fountain sealed, a well of living water.”
John 7:37 (quotation, high confidence) · John 7:39 (quotation, high confidence) · John 4:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 2:4 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 46:4 (45:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Prov 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Song 4:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Song 4:15 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine argues that the “fountain” proper to the church is the Holy Spirit, given at Pentecost with the sign of tongues signifying unity among all nations.
- John 7:37–39; John 4:1; Acts 1:5; Acts 2:4; Ps 46:4 (45:5 LXX); Prov 5:17–18 (Old Latin form); Song 4:12, 15.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Two words joined in the digital text.): autemspiritu → autem spiritu.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.17 (CSEL 52:376–377; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.18CSEL 52:377–378
Haec uestri de uisibili baptismatis sacramento accipientes tantum errant, ut res absurdissimas fateri cogantur inuiti, quod ad illum scilicet fontem, qui proprius unicae columbae, de quo dictum est: nemo alienus communicet tibi, ad hortum conclusum puteumque signatum potuerit accedere Simon magus, quem legimus a Philippo baptizatum, potuerint accedere tot ficti, de quibus gemens loquitur Cyprianus: saeculo uerbis solis et non factis renuntiantes, tot episcopi auari, de quibus idem ipse testatur: fundos insidiosis fraudibus rapientes, usuris multiplicantibus faenus augentes. isti quippe baptizati et baptizantes uisibili baptismo repperiuntur: ad illum tamen fontem proprium. cui nemo communicat alienus, ad illum fontem signatum, hoc est ad spiritus sancti donum, quo caritas dei diffunditur in cordibus nostris, nullus istorum nisi mutatus accedit, ita omnino mutandus, ut non sit alienus. sed sit caelestis particeps pacis, sanctae socius unitatis, plenus indiuiduae caritatis. ciuis angelicae ciuitatis. ad hanc itaque ciuitatem quisquis haeresis uel schismatis deposito errore correctis moribus pia mente conuertitur, si iam sacramenta gestabat, quae foras etiam ad indignos profluere potuerunt, haec honorantur in eo, quia et in alienis non uidentur aliena, sed iam illo proprio, cui nemo communicat alienus, illo signato spiritus sancti fonte inundatur, a quo apud uos etiam, quisquis ceteris moribus laudabilis fuerit, solo schismatis uel haeresis crimine separatur.
Your people, taking these things of the visible sacrament of baptism, err so greatly that they are compelled against their will to admit most absurd things: namely, that to that fountain which is the own of the one dove, of which it is said, “Let no stranger share it with you,” to the garden enclosed and the well sealed, Simon Magus could come, whom we read was baptized by Philip; that so many pretenders could come, of whom Cyprian speaks with groaning, “renouncing the world by words alone and not by deeds”; so many greedy bishops, of whom the same man testifies, “seizing estates by treacherous frauds, increasing their gain by multiplying usury.” For these are found both baptized and baptizing with visible baptism; yet to that fountain which is her own, which no stranger shares, to that sealed fountain, that is, to the gift of the Holy Spirit by which the love of God is poured out in our hearts, none of these comes unless he is changed, and changed so completely that he is not a stranger, but a partaker of heavenly peace, a member of holy unity, full of undivided love, a citizen of the angelic city. And so, whoever, having laid aside the error of heresy or schism and corrected his morals, turns with a devout mind to this city, if he was already bearing the sacraments, which could flow out of doors even to the unworthy, these are honored in him, because even in strangers they are not seen as strange; but now he is flooded with that fountain of the Holy Spirit which is her own, which no stranger shares, that sealed fountain from which among you even anyone praiseworthy in the rest of his conduct is separated by the sole crime of schism or heresy.
Song 6:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Prov 5:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Song 4:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 8:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:5 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine shows that the “sealed fountain” cannot mean visible baptism, which Simon Magus and greedy bishops received, but the Spirit's gift of love found only in unity.
- Song 6:9 (the one dove); Prov 5:17; Song 4:12; Acts 8:13; Rom 5:5. Cyprian, Letter 11.1 (“renouncing the world by words alone”) and On the Lapsed 6 (greedy bishops).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: io for in.): io eo → in eo.
Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Ep. 11.1 (Letters; quotation); Cyprian, Laps. 6 (On the Lapsed; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.18 (CSEL 52:377–378; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.19CSEL 52:378–379
Cum ergo ueniunt ad nos uestri desistentes esse uestri, incipientes esse nostri, accipiunt quod non habebant. ut salubriter habere incipiant, quod tanto perniciosius quanto indignius habebant. accipiunt enim primitus ipsam ecclesiam et in ea pacem unitatem caritatem per fontem eius proprium atque inuisibilem spiritum sanctum. sine quibus utique nullo dubitante interissent, quidquid aliud apud uos, quod de ecclesia foras trahi potuit, habuissent, faciliore autem uenia quod nondum habuerunt accipiunt, quam si habuissent iam et deseruissent. et hoc discernitur apud nos. ut aliter recipiantur qui catholicam reliquerunt, aliter qui ad illam primitus ueniunt. illos enim amplius grauat crimen desertionis, hos autem non a se disruptum, sed cognitum et retentum uinculum releuat unitatis. unde fieri potest. ut, qui seductos rebaptizauerunt. ipsi pro eis paenitentibus dominum deprecentur. si prius isti conciliati quam illi reconciliati ecclesiae fuerint; sicut fieri potest, ut etiam cultores idolorum, si quos forte christianos ad idola seductos apostatas fecerint. si priores seductores facti fuerint christiani et magnum aliquod meritum in ecclesia consecuti, per ipsos illi quos deceperant redeant. per ipsos commendentur et reconcilientur domino, per quos dimiserant dominum. quod enim ualet ad mundanda sacrilegia gentilium recte perceptum sacramentum baptismatis, hoc ualet ad mundanda sacrilegia schismaticorum et haereticorum ueraciter adprehensa caritas unitatis. quamobrem sicut seductores fidelium christianorum uenientes ad Christum seductis redeuntibus praeponuntur. unde isti et episcopi fieri possunt. illi non possunt, ita mirari non debent decepti ab haereticis. quando ad catholicam redeunt, suos deceptores sibi anteponi, quando ad catholicam ueniunt. isti namque excusabilius petunt quae sibi defuerunt, illi humilius repetunt quod fuerunt; istos honorabilius ubi nondum steterant aduocamus, illos suspectius unde lapsi fuerant reuocamus.
When, then, your people come to us, ceasing to be yours and beginning to be ours, they receive what they did not have, so that they begin to have to their salvation what they had the more destructively the more unworthily they had it. For they receive first the church itself, and in it peace, unity, love, through its own invisible fountain, the Holy Spirit; without which, as no one doubts, they would have perished, whatever else they had had among you that could be drawn out of the church. And they receive what they did not yet have with an easier pardon than if they had already had it and deserted it. And this is distinguished among us, so that those who have left the Catholic church are received in one way, and those who come to it for the first time in another. For the crime of desertion weighs more heavily on the former, while the bond of unity, not broken by them but recognized and kept, relieves the latter. Hence it can happen that those who rebaptized the seduced may themselves pray to the Lord for them as they do penance, if the former have been joined to the church before the latter are reconciled to it; just as it can happen that even worshipers of idols, if perhaps they had made apostates of some Christians seduced to idols, and if the seducers first became Christians and attained some great merit in the church, through them those whom they had deceived may return, through them be commended and reconciled to the Lord, through whom they had abandoned the Lord. For what the sacrament of baptism rightly received avails for cleansing the sacrileges of the Gentiles, this the love of unity truly grasped avails for cleansing the sacrileges of schismatics and heretics. Therefore, just as seducers of faithful Christians, coming to Christ, are placed before the seduced when they return (hence the former can even become bishops, the latter cannot), so those deceived by heretics ought not to be surprised, when they return to the Catholic church, that their deceivers are placed before them when they come to the Catholic church. For the latter more excusably seek what they lacked, the former more humbly seek again what they were; the latter we call with more honor to where they had not yet stood, the former we recall with more suspicion from where they had fallen.
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine explains that Donatists coming to unity receive the Spirit and love, and that those who lapsed from the Catholic church are received more strictly than those coming for the first time.
- On the distinction between returning lapsed Catholics and first-time converts from the Donatists, and their eligibility for clerical office.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip and word split.; OCR slip: ii- for r.): desenris sent → deseruissent; mii-ari → mirari.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.19 (CSEL 52:378–379; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.20CSEL 52:379
Proinde iam peruides, ut opinor, non frustra me dixisse Donatistarum — uel ut tu mauis Donatianorum — haereticorum sacrilegum errorem. si et ab ecclesia catholica dissentitis et quae una atque eadem fatemini sacramenta rescinditis, nec tamen sine uenia uel insanabiles estis misericordiae dei, quia discordioso errore deposito ad catholicam ueritatem pacemque conuersi per donum eius proprium, hoc est sanctum eius spiritum. per quem diffunditur caritas in cordibus nostris, mundari sanarique poteritis, non ut destruantur in uobis ecclesiae sacramenta, quae aliena perniciose foris habebatis, sed ut ea ipsa intus iam uestra salubriter habeatis.
Accordingly, you now see clearly, I think, that I did not say in vain “the sacrilegious error of the Donatist (or, as you prefer, Donatian) heretics,” if you both dissent from the Catholic church and cancel sacraments which you admit are one and the same; and yet you are not without pardon or incurable by the mercy of God, because, having laid aside your quarrelsome error and turned to Catholic truth and peace, you can be cleansed and healed through his own gift, that is, his Holy Spirit, through whom love is poured out in our hearts; not so that the church's sacraments, which you held outside to your ruin as another's, may be destroyed in you, but so that you may have those very sacraments within, now as your own, to your salvation.
Rom 5:5 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine concludes that the Donatists are heretics but can be healed by the Holy Spirit when they return to unity, keeping the sacraments they have.
- Rom 5:5.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.20 (CSEL 52:379; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.21CSEL 52:379–380
Nunc uideamus, quemadmodum ostendas recte dixisse Petilianum uel quemlibet alium: conscientia sancte dantis adtenditur quae abluat accipientis. ubi ego dixi: quid si lateat dantis conscientia et fortasse maculosa sit, quomodo poterit accipientis abluere conscientiam? tu contra non quid a te homine acuto, sed quid a uestris dicatur diu locutus es, quod totum breuiter ita dici potest: conscientiam dantis adtendi non secundum eius sinceritatem. quae in illa uideri non potest, sed secundum famam, quae de illa seu uera seu falsa est, quia uidelicet eius est hominis, qui etsi sceleratus occultus sit, sufficit accipienti quod bonae sit aestimationis, nondum cognitus, nondum iudicatus, nondum ab ecclesia separatus. uide, obsecro te, in quod praecipitium conpulerit homines angustia non inueniendi qua exirent. itane dantis maculosa conscientia conscientiam potest accipientis abluere, si habeat famam bonam, et tantum ad abluendum poterit quantum bona, si bonam famam fallendo contraxerit? adtendis, quid dicatur, et uis iam praetereamus hunc locum, an hoc idem adhuc uersabo, ut diligentius cogaris adtendere? Petilianus dixit: conscientia sancte dantis adtenditur quae abluat accipientis. ego dixi: quid si lateat dantis conscientia et fortasse maculosa sit, quomodo poterit accipientis abluere conscientiam tu uel potius uestri dixerunt — nam tu uir talis quando ista dixisses? —: quamuis habeat conscientiam maculosam, mihi tamen, qui ab eo baptizor, quia latet et nescio, sufficit quod ab eo accipio, cuius innocentem, quia in ecclesia est, conscientiam puto. nam ideo, inquis, conscientiam dantis attendo, non ut, quod fieri non potest, de latentibus iudicem, sed ut. si quid de eo in publica conscientia est, non ignorem. propter hoc enim ab omnipotente deo dictum est: quae nota sunt, uobis, quae occulta, mihi. semper igitur attendo conscientiam dantis, et quia ipsam non uideo, quid de ea in publico notum est quaero, nec ad rem pertinet, si aliud sit in secreta conscientia, aliud in publica fama. sufficit enim scisse, quia necdum eius a quo accipio damnata conscientia est.
Now let us see how you show that Petilian or anyone else said rightly, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to wash that of the recipient.” To which I said, “What if the conscience of the giver is hidden and perhaps stained? How will it be able to wash the conscience of the recipient?” You in reply spoke at length, not of what a man of your acuteness would say, but of what your people say; which can all be said briefly thus: that the conscience of the giver is looked to not according to its sincerity, which cannot be seen in it, but according to its reputation, true or false; since it belongs, of course, to a man who, even if he is secretly a criminal, suffices for the recipient because he is well esteemed, not yet known, not yet judged, not yet separated from the church. See, I beg you, into what a precipice the difficulty of finding a way out has driven these men. Can the stained conscience of the giver, then, wash the conscience of the recipient if it has a good reputation, and will it be as able to wash as a good conscience if it has acquired a good reputation by deceiving? Do you notice what is being said, and do you want us now to pass over this point, or shall I turn it over again, so that you may be compelled to attend more carefully? Petilian said, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to wash that of the recipient.” I said, “What if the conscience of the giver is hidden and perhaps stained? How will it be able to wash the conscience of the recipient?” You, or rather your people (for when would a man like you have said this?), said: “Although he has a stained conscience, yet for me, who am baptized by him, since it is hidden and I do not know it, it suffices that I receive from one whose conscience I think innocent because he is in the church. For this reason,” you say, “I look to the conscience of the giver, not that I should judge hidden things, which cannot be done, but that, if anything about him is publicly known, I may not be ignorant of it. For this reason it was said by almighty God, ‘The things that are known are for you; the things that are hidden, for me.’ I always look, then, to the conscience of the giver, and because I do not see it, I ask what is publicly known about it; nor does it matter if one thing is in the secret conscience and another in public reputation. For it suffices to know that the conscience of the one from whom I receive has not yet been condemned.”
Deut 29:29 (quotation, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine examines Petilian's claim that the giver's holy conscience washes the recipient, and Cresconius's reply that the giver's public reputation suffices.
- Deut 29:29 in a free form. Petilian's saying is discussed in Augustine, Against the Letters of Petilian 1.2.3.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Stray period in the digital text.; Unreadable letter in the digital text.): d.e ea → de ea; scisse, qui? necdum → scisse, quia necdum.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.21 (CSEL 52:379–380; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.22CSEL 52:380–382
Ecce ipsa uerba tua posui, quibus te dicere ostenderem quod meis uerbis breuiter aperteque conplexus sum, quod ad hoc adtendatur abluentis conscientia, ut quae de illa fama sit cognoscatur. non ergo ipsa adtenditur, homo bone, non ipsa adtenditur quae uideri non potest, sed fama adtenditur quae etiam falsa esse potest, quod ipse confiteris atque concedis; nam et tu uidisti maculosam conscientiam non ualere ad abluendum. non ergo conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, sed fama, qua putatur sancte dare etiam qui sancte non dat et putatur abluere qui non abluit. abluit ergo accipientem mali hominis fama bona, non ipsius dantis polluta conscientia. cur ergo dictum est: conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, nisi quia non abluit accipientis, si non est conscientia sancte dantis, si maculosa et inmunda est? quid ergo tunc attenditur? ipsa, inquis, attenditur, cum fama eius attenditur, et si bona est fama, nihil interest ad abluendum accipientem etiam cum est mala conscientia, sed abluit bona eius fama. dic, rogo te, cum mala conscientia est, uera est bona fama eius an falsa? procul dubio utique falsa. proinde cum bona non est et occulta est dantis conscientia, quomodolibet eam tibi uidearis attendere, secundum hanc sententiam non abluit accipientem nisi dantis aut fama falsa aut polluta conscientia. utrumque insanum est; si te talia delectant, tu elige quid sit insanius. porro quia ueritas non admittit, ut accipientis conscientiam uel falsa fama dantis abluat uel polluta conscientia, restat, ut abs te etiam requiramus quod et ibi quaesiuimus — quoniam, sicut dicit Petilianus uel quilibet alius consentientibus uobis, cum sancte dantis conscientia est, id est cum bona et munda conscientia est, abluit accipientis conscientiam —, unde abluatur accipiens, quando latet dantis maculosa conscientia. puto enim iam non te repetiturum atque dicturum, quod impleat in abluendo uicem conscientiae bonae falsa eius fama bona; sufficit quod hoc uestros, non te, dicere adseruisti. illorum te pudeat, non etiam tui. restat ergo, ut tunc uel deus uel quisquam sanctus angelus abluat. quod si dixeritis. illa horrenda consequetur absurditas, quam in illa epistula mea commemoratam non dico uidere noluisti, quia prorsus non attigisti, sed tanto attentius acutiusque uidisti. quanto magis attingere timuisti. si enim hoc dicitis, quod, cum sanctus homo baptizat. sancta eius conscientia diluit accipientis conscientiam, cum uero conscientia dantis latenter inmunda est, tunc deus angelusue abluit, cauete, ne, qui uobis haec dicentibus credunt, occultos malos optent inuenire a quibus baptizentur, ut multo sanctius ab ipso deo uel angelo eius abluantur. hanc absurditatem uel deridendam uel detestandam cum uerbis praecedentibus Petiliani perspiceres consequenter et a me in epistula mea commemoratam, caute tu quidem, quasi nihil horum dixerim, rem tantam silendam putasti, sed confugisti ad nescio quid absurdius, ut, cum maculosa conscientia dantis occulta est et ideo non potest accipientis abluere, tunc falsa fama eius accipiens abluatur et in eo ueritatem falsitas operetur.
See, I have set down your very words, to show that you say what I comprised briefly and plainly in my own words: that the conscience of the one who washes is looked to for this purpose, that what reputation it has may be known. It is not, then, the conscience itself that is looked to, my good man, not the conscience, which cannot be seen, but the reputation that is looked to, which can also be false, as you yourself confess and grant; for you too saw that a stained conscience has no power to wash. It is not, then, the conscience of one giving in holiness that is looked to, to wash that of the recipient, but the reputation by which even one who does not give in holiness is thought to give in holiness, and one who does not wash is thought to wash. Then the good reputation of a bad man washes the recipient, not the polluted conscience of the giver himself. Why then was it said, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to wash that of the recipient,” unless because it does not wash the recipient's if it is not the conscience of one who gives in holiness, if it is stained and unclean? What then is looked to at that time? “The conscience itself,” you say, “is looked to when its reputation is looked to; and if the reputation is good, it makes no difference to washing the recipient even when the conscience is bad, but his good reputation washes.” Tell me, I ask you: when the conscience is bad, is his good reputation true or false? Without any doubt, false. Accordingly, when the giver's conscience is not good and is hidden, however you may think you look to it, according to this opinion nothing washes the recipient but either the false reputation or the polluted conscience of the giver. Both are insane; if such things delight you, choose which is more insane. Further, since the truth does not allow that the recipient's conscience is washed either by the giver's false reputation or by his polluted conscience, it remains that we ask you too what we asked there (since, as Petilian or anyone else says with your agreement, when it is the conscience of one giving in holiness, that is, when the conscience is good and clean, it washes the recipient's conscience): by what is the recipient washed when the giver's stained conscience is hidden? For I think you will not now repeat and say that his false good reputation fills the place of a good conscience in washing; it is enough that you declared that your people, not you, say this. Be ashamed of them, not of yourself as well. It remains, then, that at that time either God or some holy angel washes. If you say that, there will follow that horrible absurdity which I mentioned in that letter of mine; I do not say you refused to see it, since you did not touch it at all, but you saw it the more attentively and acutely the more you feared to touch it. For if you say that, when a holy man baptizes, his holy conscience washes the recipient's conscience, but when the giver's conscience is secretly unclean, then God or an angel washes, beware lest those who believe you when you say these things should wish to find hidden evil men by whom to be baptized, so that they may be washed much more holily by God himself or his angel. When you saw that this absurdity, to be either laughed at or abhorred, follows logically from Petilian's preceding words and was mentioned by me in my letter, you cautiously thought so great a matter should be passed over in silence, as though I had said none of these things; but you took refuge in something even more absurd: that when the giver's stained conscience is hidden and therefore cannot wash the recipient's, then the recipient is washed by his false reputation, and in him falsehood works truth.
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Summary: Augustine shows that Cresconius's appeal to the giver's reputation means that falsehood, a bad man's false good name, washes the recipient.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.22 (CSEL 52:380–382; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.23CSEL 52:382–383
I nunc et accusa calumniose dialecticos, quod fugienda uersutia sermonis efficiant, ut si falsum est uerum sit, si uerum est falsum sit. ecce tale aliquid ipse in sacramenta christianae regenerationis inmittis, immo peius magisque fugiendum. illi enim non in sua fraude nec in rerum ueritate, sed in perplexitate locutionis humanae quaedam uerba dicunt tunc uideri uera cum falsa sunt, tunc falsa cum uera sunt; quae cum in disputationem inciderint animo discerni, etiamsi dissolui sermone non possunt. tu uero non uerbum quodlibet nec rem quamlibet, sed ipsam qua in aeternam uitam renascimur mundationem conscientiae ueram fieri posse dicis in homine per famam falsam alienae conscientiae. et ne tibi hoc tribuatur, qui dialecticam didicisti. uestrorum dicis hanc esse sententiam, quibus non ut dialecticus, sed plane ut haereticus consensisti. per te igitur aut per uestros haec est magnifica inuenta uel demonstrata doctrina: cum sancte dantis bona conscientia est, tunc ad eam fit bonus qui baptizatur, tunc arbor bona bonum fructum parit: cum uero conscientia dantis mala et occulta est, tunc eius quae falsa est bona fama consulitur, ut tunc a fallente accipiat homo baptismum uerum, cum de illo crediderit falsum, atque ita, ne desit arbor, quae fructum pariat haeretici erroris, fit mater falsitas ueritatis. hoc ideo totum tam execrabile, tam mirabiliter peruersum et insanum, ne quod dei est dei esse dicatur, ut quod a deo sumitur hominibus tribuatur, ne qui dixit: conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis errasse uideatur.
Go now and slanderously accuse the dialecticians of producing, by a craft of speech to be shunned, that if something is false it is true, and if it is true it is false. See, you yourself introduce something of this kind into the sacraments of Christian regeneration, or rather something worse and more to be shunned. For they, not by their own fraud nor in the truth of things, but in the perplexity of human speech, say that certain statements seem true when they are false and false when they are true; and when these come up in a disputation they are discerned by the mind, even if they cannot be resolved in words. But you say that not any word or any thing, but the very cleansing of conscience by which we are reborn to eternal life, can be made true in a man through the false reputation of another's conscience. And so that this may not be credited to you, who have learned dialectic, you say this is the opinion of your people, with whom you have agreed not as a dialectician but plainly as a heretic. By you, then, or by your people this magnificent doctrine has been discovered or demonstrated: when the conscience of one giving in holiness is good, then the one baptized becomes good by it, then the good tree bears good fruit; but when the giver's conscience is bad and hidden, then his good reputation, which is false, is consulted, so that a man then receives true baptism from a deceiver when he has believed something false about him; and so, lest a tree be lacking to bear the fruit of heretical error, falsehood becomes the mother of truth. All this, so execrable, so wonderfully perverse and insane, is done so that what is God's may not be said to be God's, so that what is received from God may be attributed to men, so that he who said, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to wash that of the recipient,” may not seem to have erred.
Matt 7:17 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine says the Donatist position makes falsehood the mother of truth, attributing to men what belongs to God.
- Matt 7:17.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.23 (CSEL 52:382–383; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.24CSEL 52:383–384
Nostri hoc, inquis. de scripturis probant, quoniam Iudas traditor, antequam damnaretur, omnia sicut apostolus gessit. quid hoc ad Petiliani sententiam fixam atque definitam: conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis nisi quod et Iudas iste nimium contra uos est, cum uerbis alienis inconsiderate prolatis patrocinium praebere conamini? cum enim Iudas sicut apostolus baptizaret, quandoquidem malus erat, quia fur erat et ea quae mittebantur in commissos sibi loculos auferebat, non utique conscientia eius attendebatur, sed deus et Christus in quem credebatur. neque enim et ipsius mali hominis falsa bona fama credentes accipientes abluebat nec generabat in homine gratiam diuinae ueritatis falsitas humanae opinionis.
“Our people,” you say, “prove this from the Scriptures, since Judas the traitor, before he was condemned, did everything as an apostle.” What has this to do with Petilian's fixed and defined statement, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to wash that of the recipient,” except that this Judas too is very much against you, when you try to give patronage to other men's words thoughtlessly put forward? For when Judas baptized as an apostle, since he was evil, because he was a thief and took what was put into the money bag entrusted to him, certainly it was not his conscience that was looked to, but God and Christ in whom they believed. Nor did the false good reputation of that evil man wash those who believed and received, nor did the falsehood of human opinion beget in a man the grace of divine truth.
John 12:6 (allusion, high confidence) · John 4:2 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine answers that Judas, who baptized as an apostle while a thief, shows that God and Christ, not the minister's conscience or reputation, give baptism its effect.
- John 12:6; John 4:2 (the disciples baptized).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: l for I.): quoniam ludas → quoniam Iudas; et ludas iste → et Iudas iste; enim ludas sicut → enim Iudas sicut.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.24 (CSEL 52:383–384; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.25CSEL 52:384
Et illud testimonium, quod de scripturis posuisti: quae manifesta sunt, uobis, quae autem occulta sunt, domino deo uestro, ista uerba redarguit atque conuincit si enim quae occulta sunt domino deo nostro relinquenda sunt. quomodo conscientia dantis non solum mala, uerum etiam bona, cum occulta est. attenditur, ut abluat accipientis? aut si ipsa, cum occulta est. non attenditur. quid tunc accipiens iubetis attendat, unde conscientia eius abluatur? Eia expergiscimini aliquando, nunc saltem dicite: attendat deum. quid timetis ne humiliemini, si non in homine, sed in domino gloriemini? est, inquis, quod timeam. si enim, cum latet dantis conscientia, dixero. ut accipiens attendat deum, et ab illo tunc eius ablui conscientiam confessus fuero, illa me horrenda consequetur absurditas. sanctius ablui homines, cum baptizatores habent occultos malos quam cum manifestos bonos, si homo abluit. quando dantis conscientia bona est et manifesta, deus autem, quando mala et occulta). dic ergo quod dicimus?, quia hoc est uerum, hoc sanum, hoc catholicum, quod Christus mundet accipientium conscientias siue per bonos ministros baptismi sui siue per malos, quoniam de illo scriptum est: Christus dilexit ecclesiam et se ipsum tradidit pro ea, ut eam sanctificaret mundans eam lauacro aquae in uerbo.
And that testimony which you set down from the Scriptures, “The things that are manifest are for you, but the things that are hidden are for the Lord your God,” refutes and confutes these words. For if the hidden things are to be left to the Lord our God, how is the conscience of the giver, not only bad but also good, looked to when it is hidden, so as to wash that of the recipient? Or if it is not looked to when it is hidden, what do you then order the recipient to look to, by which his conscience may be washed? Come, wake up at last; say now at least: let him look to God. Why do you fear to be humbled if you glory not in man but in the Lord? “I have something to fear,” you say. “For if, when the giver's conscience is hidden, I say that the recipient should look to God and confess that his conscience is then washed by him, that horrible absurdity will follow me: that men are washed more holily when they have hidden evil baptizers than when they have manifest good ones, if man washes when the giver's conscience is good and manifest, but God when it is bad and hidden.” Say, then, what we say, since this is true, this is sound, this is Catholic: that Christ cleanses the consciences of the recipients, whether through good ministers of his baptism or through bad; since it is written of him, “Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of water in the word.”
Deut 29:29 (quotation, medium confidence) · 1 Cor 1:31 (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 5:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:26 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that the only coherent answer is the Catholic one: Christ cleanses recipients whether the minister is good or bad.
- Deut 29:29; 1 Cor 1:31; Eph 5:25–26.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: Ei for Eia.): Ei Expergiscimini → Eia expergiscimini.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.25 (CSEL 52:384; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.26CSEL 52:384–386
Tu, inquis, responde, quomodo baptizent quos damnauit ecclesia. iam ergo receditur a uerbis Petiliani, quoniam illo dicente: conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis cum quaererem quis abluat accipientis conscientiam, quando polluta dantis occulta est, non mihi potuit responderi. tam enim contra ueritatem dicitur, quod falsa eius fama possit abluere, quam si hoc ipsa posse diceretur. Si autem quaeris, quomodo baptizent quos damnauit ecclesia, respondeo sic eos baptizare, quomodo baptizant quos damnauit deus, antequam de illis quicquam iudicaret ecclesia. qui enim mente peruersa uidetur intus esse cum foris sit, ab ipso Christo iam iudicatus est. ipse quippe ait: qui non credit iam iudicatus est, Paulus autem apostolus dicit: ecclesia subdita est Christo. non igitur debet ecclesia se Christo praeponere. ut putet baptizare posse ab illo iudicatos. a se autem iudicatos baptizare non posse, cum ille semper ueraciter iudicet, ecclesiastici autem iudices sicut homines plerumque fallantur. baptizant ergo, quantum attinet ad uisibile ministerium, et boni et mali, inuisibiliter autem per eos ille baptizat, cuius est et uisibile baptisma et inuisibilis gratia. tinguere ergo possunt et boni et mali, abluere autem conscientiam non nisi ille, qui semper est bonus. ac per hoc etiam nesciente ecclesia propter malam pollutamque conscientiam damnati a Christo iam in corpore Christi non sunt, quod est ecclesia, quoniam non potest Christus habere membra damnata. proinde et ipsi extra ecclesiam baptizant. omnia quippe ista monstra absit omnino ut in membris illius columbae unicae conputentur, absit ut intrare possint limites horti conclusi, cuius ille custos est qui non potest falli. qui tamen si confitentur et corriguntur, tunc intrant, tunc mundantur, tunc in arboribus horti conclusi, tunc in membris columbae unicae numerantur nec tamen denuo baptizantur; ita et cum ab haereticis ueniunt cum ipso baptismate, quod et foris baptismo. sed non et cum ipsa mundatione, quam intus accipiunt, ut quod defuit praestetur, quod autem non mutatum est adprobetur.
“You,” you say, “answer how those whom the church has condemned can baptize.” So now there is a retreat from Petilian's words, since, when he said, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to wash that of the recipient,” and I asked who washes the recipient's conscience when the giver's polluted conscience is hidden, no answer could be given me. For it is as much against the truth to say that his false reputation can wash as if it were said that the conscience itself could do this. But if you ask how those whom the church has condemned baptize, I answer that they baptize in the same way as those baptize whom God has condemned before the church judged anything about them. For one who with a perverse mind seems to be inside while he is outside has already been judged by Christ himself. For he says, “He who does not believe is already judged”; and the apostle Paul says, “The church is subject to Christ.” The church, then, ought not to put itself before Christ, so as to think that those judged by him can baptize, but those judged by itself cannot; since he always judges truly, while church judges, being men, are often deceived. As far as the visible ministry is concerned, then, both good and bad baptize; but invisibly he baptizes through them to whom both the visible baptism and the invisible grace belong. Both good and bad, then, can dip, but only he who is always good can wash the conscience. And therefore, even without the church's knowledge, those condemned by Christ because of a bad and polluted conscience are already not in the body of Christ, which is the church, since Christ cannot have condemned members. Accordingly, they too baptize outside the church. For far be it altogether that all these monsters should be counted among the members of that one dove; far be it that they should be able to enter the bounds of the enclosed garden, whose keeper is he who cannot be deceived. Yet if they confess and are corrected, then they enter, then they are cleansed, then they are numbered among the trees of the enclosed garden and the members of the one dove; and yet they are not baptized anew. So too when they come from heretics, with that same baptism which they had outside, but not also with that cleansing which they receive inside, so that what was lacking may be supplied, and what was not changed may be approved.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
John 3:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Song 6:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Song 4:12 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine answers that those condemned by the church baptize as hidden sinners condemned by Christ do: the visible rite is theirs, the inner cleansing is Christ's.
- John 3:18; Eph 5:24; Song 6:9; Song 4:12. The phrase “quod et foris baptismo” appears corrupt and is translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: x for z.): baptixent → baptizent.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.26 (CSEL 52:384–386; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.27CSEL 52:386–387
Uestra, inquis, per uestros maiores traditionis et turificationis et per uos persecutionis crimine damnata conscientia est. de traditoribus quidem et turificatoribus, qui fuerint qui hoc nefas admiserint, non scripturis sanctis, sed famae hominum credidistis. quae si potest esse falsa bona de malis, cur non possit etiam mala de bonis? de persecutione autem hoc tibi breuiter iterumque responderim, quod cum respondissem Petiliano refellere minime ualuisti. in scriptura quippe sancta, quae neminem fallit, area dicta est ecclesia dei dominumque ipsum cum uentilabro esse uenturum et mundaturum aream suam, ut frumenta recondat in horreo, paleam uero conburat igni inextinguibili. aut ergo recte passi estis persecutionem aut, si modus christianus excessus est, palea nostra fecit, propter quam non fuerat area dominica deserenda, ne, quisquis ante tempus uentilationis ab area paleam refugeret. a frumento separatus palea fieret. tu autem, cum hoc non meum, sed sanctae scripturae testimonium refellere conareris. nullam persecutionem iustam esse posse dixisti; ubi ignoscendum tibi est nescienti scripturas, unde tibi uenire posset in mentem, quam iusta uoce sit dictum: detrahentem proximo suo occulte, hunc persequebar, et ab ipso domino Iesu Christo in excellentissima prophetia: persequar inimicos meos et conprehendam illos, et non conuertar donec deficiant. et alia multa diuina testimonia, quae persequi longum est, si tamen non mihi propter hoc uerbum calumniaris, ut, quoniam dixi: persequi longum est, persecutorem me diuinorum testimoniorum esse crimineris.
“Your conscience,” you say, “has been condemned by the crime of handing over the books and of offering incense in your forefathers, and of persecution in yourselves.” As to the traitors and incense-offerers, who they were that committed this wickedness, you have believed not the holy Scriptures but human report. If this can be falsely good of the bad, why not also falsely bad of the good? As to persecution, I would answer you briefly and again what you were quite unable to refute when I answered it to Petilian. In the holy Scripture, which deceives no one, the church of God is called a threshing floor, and it is said that the Lord himself will come with a winnowing fan and will clean his threshing floor, to store the wheat in the barn, but to burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. Either, then, you suffered persecution rightly, or, if the Christian measure was exceeded, our chaff did it; and on its account the Lord's threshing floor was not to be deserted, lest anyone who fled from the chaff from the threshing floor before the time of winnowing, separated from the wheat, should himself become chaff. But you, when you tried to refute this testimony, not mine but of holy Scripture, said that no persecution can be just. Here you must be pardoned for not knowing the Scriptures, from which it might have come into your mind with how just a voice it is said, “Him who secretly slanders his neighbor I persecuted,” and by the Lord Jesus Christ himself in a most excellent prophecy, “I will persecute my enemies and overtake them, and I will not turn back until they fail,” and many other divine testimonies which it would take long to pursue; provided you do not slander me for this word, so that, because I said “it would take long to pursue” (persequi), you accuse me of being a persecutor of the divine testimonies.
Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 101:5 (100:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 18:37 (17:38 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine answers the charges of handing over the Scriptures and persecution with the parable of the threshing floor and Scripture's just “persecution” of enemies.
- “Traitors” renders traditores, those who handed over the sacred books during the persecution of Diocletian. Matt 3:12; Ps 101:5 (100:5 LXX); Ps 18:37 (17:38 LXX). The Latin persequi means both “persecute” and “pursue”.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.27 (CSEL 52:386–387; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
2.28CSEL 52:387–388
Opponis mihi uerba scripturarum totiens demonstrata quam uos nihil adiuuent: oleum peccatoris non inpinguet caput meum — cum et apud uos esse saltem occultos peccatores negare non possis, qui tamen baptizant nec his uerbis excepti sunt; non enim ait: oleum manifesti peccatoris, sed absolute: oleum peccatoris — et: facti sunt mihi uelut aqua mendax non habens fidem. ubi miror prudentiam tuam, quomodo tibi non uideatur aqua mendax simulatoris occulti, cuius et falsam famam mundandae alienae conscientiae prodesse aliquid credidisti, nisi quia illud non dialecticum, sed plane sophisticum, quod in me frustra quasi in dialectico reprehendisti, subuenire tibi arbitratus es: (si mentiris, uerum dicis! quid enim aliud conaris asserere, cum homini tribuens baptismum, quem dei esse non uis agnoscere, ideo dicis adulterum dare posse uerum baptismum, quia se ipsum occultando castum esse mentitur? itaque tunc uerum dicit in baptismo, cum mentitur in flagitio, et non est aqua eius mendax, quam esse uultis in ecclesia secundum promissionem tot prophetiarum toto terrarum orbe diffusa, cum aquam mendacem non baptismum dixerit Hieremias, sed mendaces homines secundum intellectum qui manifestus est in Apocalypsi, ubi interrogante Iohanne, quid essent aquae illae in uisione monstratae, populos esse responsum est.
You set against me words of Scripture which have been shown so often to be of no help to you: “Let not the oil of a sinner anoint my head” (though you cannot deny that among you too there are at least hidden sinners, who nevertheless baptize and are not excepted by these words; for it does not say “the oil of a manifest sinner,” but absolutely “the oil of a sinner”); and, “They have become to me like deceitful water, having no faithfulness.” Here I wonder at your prudence, how the water of a hidden pretender does not seem to you deceitful, whose false reputation you have even believed to be of some use for cleansing another's conscience; unless that you thought that trick to come to your help which is not dialectical but plainly sophistical, which you blamed in me in vain as in a dialectician: “If you lie, you speak the truth!” For what else are you trying to assert when, attributing baptism to man, since you will not recognize that it is God's, you say that an adulterer can give true baptism because by hiding himself he lies that he is chaste? So he speaks the truth in baptism when he lies in his shameful deed, and his water is not deceitful, which you would have to be in the church, spread through the whole world according to the promise of so many prophecies; whereas Jeremiah called not baptism deceitful water, but deceitful men, according to the meaning that is plain in the Apocalypse, where, when John asked what those waters shown in the vision were, the answer was that they were peoples.
Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 17:15 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine shows that the Donatist proof texts on “the oil of a sinner” and “deceitful water” tell against them, since they too have hidden sinners who baptize.
- Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX); Jer 15:18; Rev 17:15. “If you lie, you speak the truth” is the ancient liar paradox.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.28 (CSEL 52:387–388; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
2.29CSEL 52:388–389
De illo uero testimonio, quod scriptum est: qui baptizatur a mortuo quid proficit lauatio eius?, quam non intellexeris, quod ego in illa epistula posui, quantumque me uerbis tuis adiuueris, paululum adtende. cum enim putasses a me mortuum hoc loco intellegi cultorem idolorum. quasi eos solos exceperim qui baptizare non possint, egisti. quantum potuisti, repetito illo de oleo testimonio, quod nullum peccatorem baptizare uoluerit qui dixit: oleum peccatoris non inpinguabit caput meum, non excipiendo aliquem peccatorem. unde uos magis urgemini, sicut paulo ante monstraui. si enim nullus peccator exceptus est, proinde baptizatos ab occultis malis, cum conuicti fuerint, denuo baptizate. hic iam conaberis occultum excipere peccatorem, quem sancta scriptura non excepit. totus igitur iste uester intellectus falsus a ueritate conuincitur, cum et uestrae intentioni similiter repugnare monstratur. neque enim hoc re uera de baptismo in psalmo positum est ac non de assentatoris adulatione, quod superiora uerba satis indicant; nam tota sententia ita conectitur: emendabit me iustus in misericordia et arguet me: oleum autem peccatoris non inpinguabit caput meum. maluit ergo contundi caput suum ab arguente ueraciter quam ungi a blandiente fallaciter, translatis uerbis oleo et unctione lenitudinem significantibus adulantis.
As for that testimony where it is written, “He who is baptized by a dead man, what does his washing profit?”, notice for a little how you failed to understand what I set down in that letter, and how much you helped me by your words. For when you had thought that by the dead man in this passage I understood a worshiper of idols, as if I had excepted only those who cannot baptize, you did your best, repeating that testimony about oil, to show that he who said, “The oil of a sinner shall not anoint my head,” wished that no sinner should baptize, excepting no sinner. By this you are pressed the harder, as I showed a little before. For if no sinner is excepted, then baptize anew those baptized by hidden evil men when they are convicted. Here you will now try to except the hidden sinner, whom holy Scripture did not except. This whole interpretation of yours, then, is refuted as false by the truth, since it is shown likewise to fight against your own contention. For in truth this was not set down in the psalm about baptism but about the flattery of a fawner, as the preceding words sufficiently show; for the whole sentence is joined thus: “The righteous man will correct me in mercy and reprove me; but the oil of a sinner shall not anoint my head.” He preferred, then, to have his head bruised by one who truly reproves rather than anointed by one who deceitfully flatters, the words “oil” and “anointing” being used figuratively for the smoothness of the flatterer.
Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine shows that the oil of the sinner in Ps 141:5 refers to flattery, not baptism, and that Cresconius's reading would require rebaptizing those baptized by hidden sinners.
- Sir 34:25 (34:30 Vulgate); Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: x for z.): baptixatur → baptizatur.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 34:25 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.29 (CSEL 52:388–389; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
2.30CSEL 52:389–390
Quid autem ego in illa epistula de hoc testimonio senserim, ubi dictum est: qui baptizatur a mortuo, ipsis ex ea repetitis uerbis satis, quantum opinor, ostendam. cum enim dissererem, quid respondere debeat ad ista catholicus christianus, cum audierit, inquam, qui baptizatur a mortuo non ei prodest lauatio eius, respondebit: uiuit Christus et iam non moritur, et mors ei ultra non dominabitur, de quo dictum est: ipse est qui baptizat in spiritu sancto. baptizantur autem a mortuis qui baptizantur in idolorum templis. non enim et ipsi a sacerdotibus suis se accipere arbitrantur sanctificationem quam putant, sed a diis suis. qui quoniam homines fuerunt et ita mortui sunt, ut neque super terras neque in requie sanctorum uiuant, uere ipsi a mortuis baptizantur. huc usque ex epistula mea uerba ipsa transcripsi, in quibus iam perspicis, ut opinor, si nunc saltem diligenter attendis, non me ipsos cultores mortuos appellasse, quamuis alio modo etiam ipsi mortui sint, sed deos falsos quos colunt, quia homines fuerunt et sicut homines de corpore exierunt nec resurrexerunt nec uitae ullum meritum, quae post hanc uitam promittitur, habuerunt. ab ipsis ergo diis qui baptizantur, sicut dixi, uere a mortuis baptizantur, id est, qui in eorum nomine baptizantur, quia et ipsi non in nomine sacerdotum suorum, sed deorum, de quibus uana opinantur, se sanctificari putant. Christus autem resurrexit et uiuit; proinde qui ab illo baptizatur, non solum per bonum, uerum etiam per malum ministrum perditis moribus mortuum, non a mortuo baptizatur. ab illo enim baptizatur, qui uiuit in aeternum et de quo dictum est in euangelio, quod etiam ibi commemoraui: ipse est qui baptizat in spiritu sancto.
What I meant in that letter about this testimony where it is said, “He who is baptized by a dead man,” I shall show sufficiently, I think, by repeating the very words from it. For when I was discussing what a Catholic Christian ought to answer to these things, I said: When he hears, “He who is baptized by a dead man, his washing does not profit him,” he will answer: Christ lives and dies no more, and death will no longer have dominion over him; of whom it was said, “He it is who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.” But those are baptized by dead men who are baptized in the temples of idols. For they too do not think they receive what they consider sanctification from their priests, but from their gods; and since these were men and died in such a way that they live neither on earth nor in the rest of the saints, they are truly baptized by dead men. Thus far I have copied the very words from my letter, in which you now see, I think, if at least now you attend carefully, that I did not call the worshipers themselves dead (although in another way they too are dead), but the false gods they worship, because they were men and departed from the body like men, and neither rose again nor had any merit of the life promised after this life. Those, then, who are baptized by those gods, as I said, are truly baptized by the dead, that is, those who are baptized in their name; because they too think they are sanctified not in the name of their priests but of the gods about whom they hold vain opinions. But Christ has risen and lives; accordingly, whoever is baptized by him, not only through a good minister but also through a bad one who is dead in his ruined morals, is not baptized by a dead man. For he is baptized by him who lives forever, and of whom it is said in the gospel, as I mentioned there too, “He it is who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.”
Rom 6:9 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:33 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that by “the dead” in Sir 34:25 he meant the dead gods of pagan rites, whereas Christ, who baptizes through every minister, lives.
- Rom 6:9; John 1:33. The quotation is from Augustine, Against the Letters of Petilian 1.9.10.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 34:25 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.30 (CSEL 52:389–390; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
2.31CSEL 52:390–391
Hoc tu in epistula mea, quantum indicant uerba tua, non intellexisti; nolo enim dicere: parum intellegens fraudare uoluisti. miror autem. quod uerba illic mea consequentia non aduerteris aut ab eis dissimulandum putaueris. paulo post quippe subieci et dixi: nam si hoc loco mortuum intellexero peccatorem baptizatorem, eadem illa consequetur absurditas, ut, quisquis etiam a latente impio fuerit baptizatus, tamquam mortuo baptizatus inaniter lotus sit. non enim ait: qui baptizatur a mortuo manifesto, sed absolute dixit: mortuo. haec manifestatio uerborum illic meorum quem non de somno uel potius de ipsa morte excitaret? et tamen te non excitauit, et insuper, quod ego contra Petilianum dixeram, quasi contra me dicens uehementius etiam confirmasti. sicut solent homines iniectam sagittam nesciendo excludere altius etiam penitusque defigere. adseruisti enim mortuum non intellegendum nisi peccatorem baptistam et nullum peccatorem excipiendum, et ideo quod ego dicebam contra te concluditur, nec occultum excipi posse ubi nullus excipitur. rebaptizate igitur eos, quos ab occultis peccatoribus baptizatos esse constiterit, quibus potest uiuentibus et scientibus subueniri, ut eis solis nunc obsint. qui uel ignorant uel ante defuncti sunt, ut manifestatis postea malis baptizatoribus suis iam baptizari non possint. baptizate, inquam, prodito adultero atque damnato, quos ab eo cum lateret baptizatos esse constiterit; a mortuo quippe baptizati sunt, omnem peccatorem sine ulla exceptione intellegendum esse dixisti qui baptizare non possit, adiungendo testimonium de oleo peccatoris. tu dixisti, tu scripsisti: te ipsum audi, lege te ipsum. si omnis peccator tamquam mortuus non potest baptizare, nec occultus potest. non enim. quia occultus, ideo uiuus est, cum multo profundius etiam mendacio simulationis absumptus sit. minus enim mortuus diceretur, si saltem confiteretur, sed fit in illo quod alio loco scriptum est: a mortuo, uelut qui non sit, perit confessio. ab isto mortuo in tanta mortis profunditate demerso quos baptizatos esse claruerit, non rebaptizatis, et ab eis baptizatos, qui in ultimis terris nec Caeciliani nec Maiorini nec Donati nomen audierunt, rebaptizare, si possitis, minime dubitatis, obicientes eis: qui baptizatur a mortuo quid ei prodest lauatio eius?,mortuos dicentes ad quos Afrorum cadauerum, quorumlibet illa fuerint, nec aura potuit peruenire, et mortuum non putantes qui proprium potest occultare flagitium, cum scriptura clamet: a mortuo, uelut qui non sit, perit confessio. itane, quia fictus est, mortuus non est, cum magis propter ipsam fictionem carendo spiritu uitae penitus expirauerit, iterum dicente scriptura: sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae fugiet fictum? adhuc defendite istos mortuos et uiuere dicite, ut et uos peius ipsa falsa defensione moriamini..
This, as your words show, you did not understand in my letter; for I do not wish to say that, understanding it too little, you wished to deceive. But I wonder that you did not notice my words that follow there, or thought you should pretend not to see them. For a little later I added and said: “For if in this passage I understand by the dead man a sinner who baptizes, the same absurdity will follow, that whoever has been baptized even by a hidden ungodly man has been washed in vain, as being baptized by a dead man. For it does not say, ‘He who is baptized by a manifest dead man,’ but absolutely, ‘by a dead man.’” Whom would this plainness of my words there not rouse from sleep, or rather from death itself? And yet it did not rouse you; and, besides, what I had said against Petilian you confirmed even more strongly, as if speaking against me; as men often, not knowing how, in trying to pull out an arrow that has been shot into them drive it in deeper and further. For you asserted that by the dead man only a sinful baptizer is to be understood, and that no sinner is to be excepted; and so what I was saying is concluded against you: neither can the hidden sinner be excepted where none is excepted. Rebaptize, then, those who are established to have been baptized by hidden sinners, who can be helped while they are alive and know it, so that it may now harm only those who either do not know or died before, so that they can no longer be baptized once their evil baptizers were later exposed. Baptize, I say, when an adulterer has been exposed and condemned, those who are established to have been baptized by him while he was hidden; for they were baptized by a dead man, since you said that every sinner without any exception is to be understood as one who cannot baptize, adding the testimony about the oil of the sinner. You said it, you wrote it: hear yourself, read yourself. If every sinner, as being dead, cannot baptize, neither can the hidden one. For he is not alive because he is hidden, since he is far more deeply consumed by the lie of his pretense. He would be called less dead if at least he confessed; but in him happens what is written in another place: “From the dead, as from one who is not, confession perishes.” Those who are shown to have been baptized by this dead man, sunk in so great a depth of death, you do not rebaptize; and those baptized by men who in the farthest lands have never heard the name of Caecilian or Majorinus or Donatus, you do not hesitate to rebaptize if you can, casting at them, “He who is baptized by a dead man, what does his washing profit him?”; calling dead those to whom not even the breath of the African corpses, whoever's they were, could reach, and not thinking him dead who can hide his own shameful deed, although Scripture cries out, “From the dead, as from one who is not, confession perishes.” Is he, then, not dead because he is a pretender, when rather, because of that very pretense, lacking the spirit of life he has breathed his last completely, as Scripture says again, “For the holy spirit of discipline will flee from the pretender”? Go on defending these dead men and saying that they live, so that you too may die worse by that very false defense.
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Summary: Augustine presses that if every sinner is “dead” and cannot baptize, the Donatists must rebaptize those baptized by hidden sinners, while they rebaptize distant Christians who never heard of the African dispute.
- Quotation from Against the Letters of Petilian 1.9.10. Sir 17:28 (17:26 Vulgate); Wis 1:5.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Stray mark in the digital text.): manifesto*, → manifesto,.
Extrabiblical texts: Sir 34:25 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Sir 17:28 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 2.31 (CSEL 52:390–391; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/2-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.