On Marriage and Concupiscence 2.14–2.29
Latin text: Urba/Zycha, CSEL 42 (Latin text: Urba and Zycha, De nuptiis et concupiscentia (CSEL 42, 1902), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 5 (1887).
Chapter 2
2.14CSEL 42:265–266
Vides igitur quemadmodum nos interroget, quid suum diabolus cognoscat in sexibus, per quod sub illo sint, qui de parentibus qualibuscumque nascuntur, nisi renascantur in Christo, utrum diuersitatem sexuum dicamus ad diabolum pertinere an commixtionem an ipsam fecunditatem. respondemus itaque: nihil horum, quia et diuersitas sexuum pertinet ad uasa gignentium et utriusque commixtio ad seminationem pertinet filiorum et ipsa fecunditas ad benedictionem pertinet nuptiarum. haec autem omnia ex deo. sed iste in his omnibus noluit nominare concupiscentiam carnis, quae non est a patre, sed ex mundo est, cuius mundi princeps dictus est diabolus, qui eam in domino non inuenit, quia dominus homo non per ipsam ad homines uenit. unde dicit etiam ipse: ecce uenit princeps huius mundi, et in me nihil inuenit: nihil utique peccati, nec quod a nascente trahitur nec quod a uiuente additur. hanc iste noluit nominare in his omnibus, quae commemorauit, naturalibus bonis, de qua etiam nuptiae confunduntur, quae de his bonis omnibus gloriantur. nam quare illud opus coniugatorum subtrahitur et absconditur etiam oculis filiorum, nisi quia non possunt esse in laudanda commixtione sine pudenda libidine? de hac erubuerunt etiam qui primi pudenda texerunt, quae prius pudenda non fuerunt, sed tamquam dei opera praedicanda atque glorianda. tunc ergo texerunt, quando erubuerunt, tunc autem erubuerunt, quando post inoboedientiam suam inoboedientia membra senserunt. de hac erubuit etiam iste laudator; commemorauit enim sexuum diuersitatem, commemorauit commixtionem, commemorauit fecunditatem, illam uero commemorare uerecundatus est. nec mirum, si pudet laudantes, quod uidemus ipsos pudere generantes.
You see, then, how he asks us what the devil recognizes as his own in the sexes, through which those who are born of whatever parents are under him unless they are reborn in Christ: whether we say that the difference of the sexes belongs to the devil, or their union, or fruitfulness itself. We answer, then: none of these; for the difference of the sexes belongs to the vessels of those who beget, the union of both belongs to the sowing of children, and fruitfulness itself belongs to the blessing of marriage. And all these are from God. But among all these he was unwilling to name the concupiscence of the flesh, which is not from the Father but is from the world, of which world the devil is called the prince; and he did not find it in the Lord, because the Lord as man did not come to men through it. Hence he himself also says: “See, the prince of this world comes, and in me he finds nothing”—nothing of sin, that is, neither what is contracted by one being born nor what is added by one living. This he was unwilling to name among all the natural goods that he mentioned; and at it even marriage is ashamed, though it glories in all these goods. For why is that act of married people withdrawn and hidden even from the eyes of their children, except because they cannot be in the praiseworthy union without the shameful lust? At this even those blushed who first covered their shameful parts, which had not been shameful before but were to be proclaimed and gloried in as works of God. They covered them, then, when they blushed; and they blushed when, after their own disobedience, they felt their members disobedient. At this even this praiser of it blushed; for he mentioned the difference of the sexes, he mentioned their union, he mentioned fruitfulness, but he was ashamed to mention that. No wonder if those who praise it are ashamed of what we see even those who beget are ashamed of.
1 John 2:16 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:31 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 14:30 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: The sexes, their union, and fruitfulness are from God; Julian avoids naming concupiscence, which is from the world and which even he is ashamed to mention.
- John 14:30 is quoted in a Latin form ('finds nothing').
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.14 (CSEL 42:265–266; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.15CSEL 42:266–268
Sed adiungit et dicit: per quid igitur sub diabolo sunt, quos deus fecit? sibique ueluti ex nostra uoce respondet: per peccatum, inquit, non per naturam. deinde nostrae responsioni suam referens sed ut non potest, inquit, sine sexibus esse fetus, ita nec sine uoluntate delictum. ita uero, ita est; sic enim per unum hominem peccatum intrauit in mundum et per peccatum mors, et ita in omnes homines pertransiit, in quo omnes peccauerunt. per unius illius uoluntatem malam omnes in eo peccauerunt, quando omnes ille unus fuerunt, de quo propterea singuli peccatum originale traxerunt. dicis enim, inquit, ideo illos esse sub diabolo, quia de sexus utriusque commixtione nascuntur. dico plane propter delictum eos esse sub diabolo; ideo autem expertes non esse delicti, quia de illa commixtione sunt nati, quae sine pudenda libidine non potest etiam quod honestum est operari. dixit hoc etiam beatissimae memoriae Ambrosius ecclesiae Mediolanensis episcopus, cum Christi carnalem natiuitatem ideo diceret expertem esse delicti, quia conceptus eius utriusque sexus commixtionis est expers; nullum autem hominum esse sine delicto qui de illa commixtione conceptus sit. nam eius uerba ista sunt: ideo, inquit, et quasi homo per uniuersa temptatus est et in similitudine hominum cuncta sustinuit, sed quia de spiritu natus, abstinuit a peccato. omnis enim homo mendax et nemo sine peccato nisi unus deus. seruatum est igitur, inquit, ut ex uiro et muliere, id est per illam corporum commixtionem nemo uideatur expers esse delicti. qui autem expers delicti, expers etiam huius modi conceptionis. numquid etiam istum, o Pelagiani et Caelestiani, audebitis dicere Manicheum? quod eum dicebat esse Iouinianus haereticus, contra cuius inpietatem uir ille sanctus etiam post partum permanentem uirginitatem sanctae Mariae defendebat. si ergo illum Manicheum dicere non audetis, nos, cum in eadem causa eadem sententia fidem catholicam defendamus, cur dicitis Manicheos? aut si et illum fidelissimum uirum hoc secundum Manicheos sapuisse iactatis, iactate, iactate, ut mensuram Iouiniani perfectius inpleatis; nos cum illo homine dei patienter uestra maledicta et conuicia sustinemus. et tamen haeresiarches uester Pelagius fidem et purissimum in scripturis sensum sic laudat Ambrosii, ut dicat ne inimicum quidem ausum esse reprehendere. quo ergo progressi fueritis adtendite et uos ab ausibus Iouiniani tandem aliquando cohibete. quamuis ille nimis laudando nuptias sanctae illas uirginitati adaequauit et tamen nuptiarum fructibus ab utero etiam recentibus Christum saluatorem et de potestate diaboli redemptorem necessarium non negauit: quod uos negatis et, quia uobis pro eorum salute, qui nondum pro se loqui possunt, et pro fidei catholicae fundamentis resistimus, Manicheos nos esse iactatis. sed iam sequentia uideamus.
But he adds, saying: “Through what, then, are those whom God made under the devil?” And he answers himself as if in our voice: “Through sin,” he says, “not through nature.” Then, setting his own reply against ours: “But just as,” he says, “there cannot be offspring without the sexes, so there cannot be sin without the will.” Yes indeed, so it is. For so “through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so it passed through to all men, in whom all sinned.” Through the evil will of that one man all sinned in him, when all were that one man, from whom therefore each has contracted original sin. “For you say,” he says, “that they are under the devil because they are born of the union of both sexes.” I say plainly that they are under the devil because of sin; but that they are not free from sin because they are born of that union which cannot accomplish even what is honorable without shameful lust. Ambrose too, of most blessed memory, bishop of the church of Milan, said this, when he said that the carnal birth of Christ was free from sin because his conception was free from the union of the two sexes, but that no human being conceived from that union is without sin. For these are his words: “Therefore,” he says, “as man he was tempted in all things, and in the likeness of men he endured all things; but because he was born of the Spirit, he abstained from sin. For every man is a liar, and no one is without sin except God alone. It has therefore been kept,” he says, “that no one born of man and woman, that is, through that mingling of bodies, is seen to be free from sin. But he who is free from sin is free also from conception of this kind.” Will you dare, Pelagians and Caelestians, to call him too a Manichee? That is what the heretic Jovinian called him, against whose impiety that holy man defended the virginity of holy Mary as remaining even after childbirth. If, then, you do not dare to call him a Manichee, why do you call us Manichees, when we defend the catholic faith in the same cause with the same statement? Or if you boast that that most faithful man too thought this in accord with the Manichees, boast away, boast away, so that you may fill up more completely the measure of Jovinian; we, with that man of God, patiently endure your curses and insults. And yet your heresiarch Pelagius so praises the faith of Ambrose and his most pure understanding of the Scriptures as to say that not even an enemy dared to criticize him. Consider, then, how far you have gone, and at last restrain yourselves from the audacities of Jovinian. Although he, by praising marriage too much, made it equal to holy virginity, he still did not deny that the fruits of marriage, even those fresh from the womb, need Christ the Savior and Redeemer from the power of the devil. This you deny; and because we resist you for the salvation of those who cannot yet speak for themselves and for the foundations of the catholic faith, you boast that we are Manichees. But now let us look at what follows.
Rom 5:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 4:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 116:11 (115:11 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 23:32 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: All sinned in Adam's will; Ambrose taught the same about conception, and the Pelagians who call this Manichaean must say the same of Ambrose, as Jovinian did.
- The Ambrose quotation is the one given in 1.40, from his lost Commentary on Isaiah. Jovinian, condemned at Rome and Milan about 390, held that marriage was equal in merit to virginity and denied Mary's virginity in childbirth; Ambrose answered him.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread a comma as a backslash; stray quotation mark): dicit: 'per quid igitur → dicit: per quid igitur; inquit, 'ideo illos → inquit, ideo illos; seruatum est igitur\\ inquit → seruatum est igitur, inquit.
Topics: Heresy, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.15 (CSEL 42:266–268; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.16CSEL 42:268–269
Rursus quippe interrogans dicit: quem igitur paruulorum confiteris auctorem? deum uerum? respondeo: deum uerum. deinde subiungit: sed malum ille non fecit ac rursus interrogat, utrum diabolum paruulorum confiteamur auctorem, rursusque respondet: sed naturam hominis ipse non condidit. deinde quasi concludit atque infert: si mala commixtio, deformis et conditio corporum et ideo corpora quoque malo a te deputantur auctori. cui respondeo: malo auctori non deputo corpora, sed delicta, quorum causa factum est, ut, cum in corporibus, hoc est in dei operibus totum placeret, accideret tamen masculo et feminae quod puderet, ut non esset commixtio qualis esse potuit in corpore uitae illius, sed qualem uidemus erubescentes in corpore mortis huius. deus uero, inquit, diuisit in sexu, quod in operatione coniungeret. ab ipso igitur commixtio corporum, a quo est origo corporum. iam supra respondimus hoc ex deo esse, sed non delictum, non membrorum inoboedientiam per carnis concupiscentiam, quae non est a patre. deinde dicit: tot ergo rerum bonarum, id est corporum, sexuum, coniunctionum malos fructus esse non posse nec homines ob hoc a deo fieri, ut a diabolo, sicut dicis, inquit, legitimo iure teneantur. iam dictum est non eos ideo teneri, quia homines sunt, quod naturae nomen est, cuius auctor diabolus non est, sed quia peccatores sunt, quod culpae nomen est, cuius diabolus auctor est.
For he asks again: “Whom, then, do you confess to be the author of little children? The true God?” I answer: the true God. Then he adds: “But he did not make evil”; and he asks again whether we confess the devil to be the author of little children, and again answers: “But he did not create the nature of man.” Then he as it were concludes and infers: “If the union is evil, the condition of bodies is also foul, and therefore you ascribe bodies too to an evil author.” To this I answer: I do not ascribe bodies to an evil author, but sins, because of which it came about that, while everything in bodies, that is, in the works of God, was pleasing, there nevertheless befell male and female something to be ashamed of, so that their union was not such as it could have been in the body of that life, but such as we see with blushing in the body of this death. “But God,” he says, “divided in sex what he would join in operation. From him, then, is the union of bodies, from whom is the origin of bodies.” We have already answered above that this is from God, but not sin, not the disobedience of the members through the concupiscence of the flesh, which is not from the Father. Then he says that “the fruits of so many good things, that is, of bodies, sexes, and unions, cannot be evil, nor are human beings made by God for this purpose, that they should be held by the devil by lawful right, as you say.” It has already been said that they are held not because they are human beings, which is the name of nature, of which the devil is not the author, but because they are sinners, which is the name of guilt, of which the devil is the author.
1 John 2:16 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 7:24 (echo, medium confidence)
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Summary: God is the author of bodies and their union; the devil holds human beings not as human but as sinners.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period inside the sentence; stray quotation mark): infert: 'si mala → infert: si mala; diuisit in sexu. quod → diuisit in sexu, quod.
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.16 (CSEL 42:268–269; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.17CSEL 42:269–270
Sed inter tot nomina bonarum rerum, id est corporum, sexuum, coniunctionum, libidinem uel concupiscentiam carnis iste non nominat. tacet, quia pudet, et mira — si dici potest — pudoris inpudentia, quod nominare pudet, laudare non pudet. denique uide, quemadmodum magis eam circumloquendo maluerit significare quam dicere. postquam autem uir, inquit, naturali adpetitu cognouit uxorem. ecce iterum dicere noluit: carnis concupiscentia cognouit uxorem, sed, naturali, inquit, adpetitu, ubi adhuc possumus intellegere ipsam uoluntatem iustam et honestam, qua uoluit filios procreare, non illam libidinem, de qua iste sic erubescit, ut ambiguo nobis loqui malit quam perspicue quod sentit exprimere. quid est naturali adpetitu? annon et uelle esse saluum et uelle ipsos suscipere, nutrire, erudire filios naturalis est adpetitus idemque rationis est, non libidinis? sed quia huius nouimus intentionem, ideo non eum putamus his uerbis nisi libidinem membrorum genitalium significare uoluisse. nonne tibi uidentur haec uerba folia esse ficulneae, sub quibus latet quid aliud quam id quod pudet? ita quippe iste sibi circumlocutionis huius obstacula sicut illi succinctoria consuerunt. contexat et dicat: postquam autem uir naturali adpetitu cognouit uxorem, dicit scriptura diuina, concepit Eua et peperit filium, et uocauit nomen eius Cain. sed quid, inquit, dicit Adam audiamus: adquisiui hominem per deum. unde constat opus dei esse, quem per deum adquisitum scriptura diuina testatur. quis hinc dubitet? quis hoc neget, maxime catholicus christianus? opus dei est homo; sed carnis concupiscentia, sine qua, si peccatum non praecessisset, tranquillae uoluntati oboedientibus sicut cetera membra genitalibus seminaretur homo, non est a patre, sed ex mundo est.
But among so many names of good things—bodies, sexes, unions—he does not name lust or the concupiscence of the flesh. He is silent because he is ashamed; and with a wonderful shamelessness of shame, if one can say so, he is not ashamed to praise what he is ashamed to name. See, finally, how he preferred to indicate it by circumlocution rather than to say it. “But after the man,” he says, “knew his wife by natural appetite.” See, again he was unwilling to say, “knew his wife by the concupiscence of the flesh”; he says “by natural appetite,” where we could still understand the just and honorable will by which he willed to procreate children, not that lust at which this man so blushes that he prefers to speak to us ambiguously rather than plainly express what he thinks. What is “natural appetite”? Is not the will to be well, and the will to take up, nourish, and educate one's children, a natural appetite, and one that belongs to reason, not to lust? But because we know his intention, we do not think he meant by these words anything but the lust of the genital members. Do not these words seem to you fig leaves, under which lies hidden nothing but what is shameful? For in this way he has sewn himself the coverings of this circumlocution, as they sewed themselves aprons. Let him weave on and say: “But after the man knew his wife by natural appetite, the divine Scripture says, Eve conceived and bore a son and called his name Cain. But let us hear,” he says, “what Adam says: ‘I have acquired a man through God.’ Hence it is certain that he is the work of God, whom the divine Scripture testifies was acquired through God.” Who doubts this? Who denies it, especially a catholic Christian? Man is the work of God; but the concupiscence of the flesh—without which, had sin not gone before, man would have been sown by genital members obedient to a tranquil will like the other members—is not from the Father but is from the world.
Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 4:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 2:16 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Julian's phrase 'natural appetite' is a fig leaf for the lust he will not name; man is God's work, but concupiscence is from the world.
- Gen 4:1 is quoted in the Latin form 'I have acquired a man through God'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread a comma as a backslash and a quotation mark as >; OCR misread a comma as a backslash; stray quotation mark; OCR read quotation marks as round brackets): postquam autem uir\\ inquit, naturali adpetitu cognouit uxorem> → postquam autem uir, inquit, naturali adpetitu cognouit uxorem; sed, (naturali), inquit → sed, naturali, inquit; sed quid\\ inquit, 'dicit → sed quid, inquit, dicit.
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.17 (CSEL 42:269–270; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.18CSEL 42:270–271
Verum nunc, obsecro te, paulo adtentius intuere, quod nomen inuenerit, quo rursus operiret quod erubescit aperire. "genuerat enim eum", inquit, Adam potentia membrorum, non diuersitate meritorum. quid dixerit diuersitate meritorum, fateor, non intellego; sed potentia membrorum, credo, illud uoluit dicere, quod pudet euidenter dicere. maluit enim dicere membrorum potentiam quam carnis concupiscentiam. plane, etiamsi non cogitauit, significauit aliquid, quod ad rem pertinere uideatur. quid enim potentius membris hominis, quando non seruiunt uoluntati hominis? quae tamen etsi frenentur temperantia uel continentia, usus eorum aliquantum, motus tamen eorum non est in hominis potestate. genuit ergo Adam filios hac, ut iste dicit, membrorum suorum potentia, de qua priusquam illos gigneret, erubuit post peccatum. si autem non peccasset, non eos genuisset membrorum potentia, sed membrorum oboedientia. ipse quippe esset potens, ut eis subiectis uoluntate imperaret, si potentiori et ipse subiectus eadem uoluntate seruiret.
But now, I beg you, look a little more attentively at the name he has found with which to cover again what he blushes to disclose. “For Adam had begotten him,” he says, “by the power of the members, not by a difference of merits.” What he meant by “a difference of merits,” I confess I do not understand; but by “the power of the members” he meant, I believe, what he is ashamed to say plainly. For he preferred to say “the power of the members” rather than “the concupiscence of the flesh.” Clearly, even if he did not intend it, he has indicated something that seems relevant to the matter. For what is more powerful than a man's members, when they do not serve the man's will? Though they may be bridled by temperance or continence, so that their use is to some extent in man's power, their motion is not. Adam, then, begot children by this “power of his members,” as he calls it, at which he blushed after sin, before he begot them. But if he had not sinned, he would not have begotten them by the power of his members but by the obedience of his members. For he himself would have been powerful, commanding them as subject to his will, if he himself, subject to the one more powerful, had served him with that same will.
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Summary: Julian's 'power of the members' unwittingly names the members' disobedience to the will, which would not have existed without sin.
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.18 (CSEL 42:270–271; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.19CSEL 42:271–272
Post aliquanta iterum: dicit scriptura diuina, inquit, cognouit Adam Euam uxorem suam et concepit et peperit filium. et uocauit nomen eius Seth dicens: suscitauit mihi dominus semen aliud pro Abel, quem occidit Cain, deinde addit et dicit: ad documentum instituti coitus ipsum semen diuinitas dicitur excitasse. non intellexit homo iste quod scriptum est; putauit enim ad hoc esse dictum: suscitauit mihi dominus semen aliud pro Abel, ut crederetur deus illi excitasse libidinem coeundi, cuius motu excitaretur semen, ut gremio feminae possit infundi. nescit non esse dictum excitauit mihi semen nisi dedit mihi filium. denique hoc Adam non dixit post coitum suum, quo semen emisit, sed post coniugis partum, quo filium deo donante suscepit. nam quae gratulatio est nisi forte libidinosorum et suum uas in morbo concupiscentiae, quod uetat apostolus, possidentium, si semen extrema coeundi uoluptate fundatur nec sequatur conceptus aut partus, ubi nuptiarum uerus est fructus?
After some other things, again: “The divine Scripture says,” he says, “‘Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore a son, and he called his name Seth, saying, The Lord has raised up for me another seed in place of Abel, whom Cain killed.’” Then he adds: “As proof that intercourse was instituted, the Deity is said to have stirred up the seed itself.” This man has not understood what is written; he thought that “The Lord has raised up for me another seed in place of Abel” was said so that God might be believed to have stirred up in him the lust for intercourse, by whose motion the seed would be stirred up so that it could be poured into the woman's lap. He does not know that “He has raised up for me a seed” was said to mean nothing but “He has given me a son.” And indeed Adam did not say this after his intercourse, in which he emitted seed, but after his wife's childbirth, in which he received a son by God's gift. For what cause for rejoicing is there—except perhaps for the lustful, who possess their vessel in the disease of concupiscence, which the apostle forbids—if seed is poured out in the extreme pleasure of intercourse and neither conception nor birth follows, in which the true fruit of marriage lies?
Gen 4:25 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Thess 4:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Thess 4:5 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Adam's words at Seth's birth refer to the gift of a son, not to God stirring up sexual desire, as Julian supposed.
- Gen 4:25 is quoted in a Latin form ('raised up for me another seed').
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread a comma as a backslash; OCR read quotation marks as C and >): quem occidit Cain\\ deinde → quem occidit Cain, deinde; non esse dictum Cexcitauit mihi semen nisi dedit mihi filium> → non esse dictum excitauit mihi semen nisi dedit mihi filium.
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.19 (CSEL 42:271–272; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.20CSEL 42:272–273
Neque hoc ideo dixerim, quod alius putandus sit praeter summum et uerum deum uel humani seminis uel ipsius hominis creator ex semine; sed hoc tranquilla de homine oboedientia membrorum ad nutum uoluntatis exisset, si peccatum non praecessisset. neque nunc agitur de natura hominis, sed de uitio. illa quippe habet auctorem deum; ex isto autem trahitur originale peccatum. nam si semen ipsum nullum habet uitium, quid est quod scriptum est in libro Sapientiae: non ignorans quoniam nequam est natio illorum et naturalis malitia ipsorum, et quoniam non poterat mutari cogitatio illorum in perpetuum; semen enim illorum erat maledictum ab initio? nempe de quibuscumque dicat ista, de hominibus dicit. quomodo est ergo cuiuslibet hominis malitia naturalis et semen maledictum ab initio, nisi ad illud respiciatur, quod per unum hominem peccatum intrauit in mundum et per peccatum mors, et ita in omnes homines pertransiit, in quo omnes peccauerunt? cuius autem hominis mala cogitatio non potest mutari in perpetuum, nisi quia per se ipsam non potest, sed si gratia diuina subueniat? qua non subueniente quid sunt homines nisi, quod ait apostolus Petrus, uelut muta animalia procreata naturaliter in captiuitate et interitu? unde uno loco Paulus apostolus utrumque commemorans, et iram dei, cum qua nascimur, et gratiam, qua liberamur, et nos omnes, inquit, aliquando conuersati sumus in desideriis carnis nostrae, facientes uoluntatem carnis et affectionum, et eramus natura filii irae sicut et ceteri; deus autem, qui diues est in misericordia, propter multam dilectionem, qua dilexit nos et, cum essemus mortui peccatis, conuiuificauit nos Christo, cuius gratia sumus salui facti. quid est ergo malitia naturalis hominis et semen maledictum ab initio et procreati naturaliter in captiuitate et interitu et natura filii irae? numquid in Adam natura ista sic condita est? absit; sed quia in illo uitiata. sic per omnes iam naturaliter cucurrit et currit, ut ab hac perditione non liberet nisi gratia dei per Iesum Christum dominum nostrum.
Nor would I say this as though anyone other than the supreme and true God were to be thought the creator either of human seed or of man himself from seed; but this seed would have come forth from man through the tranquil obedience of the members at the nod of the will, had sin not gone before. Nor is the question now about the nature of man, but about its fault. For the former has God as its author; but from the latter original sin is contracted. For if the seed itself has no fault, what is the meaning of what is written in the book of Wisdom: “Not being ignorant that their race was wicked and their malice natural, and that their thinking could never be changed; for their seed was cursed from the beginning”? Of whomever it says this, it surely says it of human beings. How, then, is the malice of any human being natural and his seed cursed from the beginning, unless one looks back to this, that “through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so it passed through to all men, in whom all sinned”? And whose evil thinking can never be changed, unless because it cannot change by itself, but can if divine grace comes to its aid? Without that aid, what are human beings but, as the apostle Peter says, like dumb animals, born by nature for capture and destruction? Hence the apostle Paul, mentioning both in one place—the wrath of God with which we are born and the grace by which we are set free—says: “And we all once lived in the desires of our flesh, doing the will of the flesh and of the affections, and we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest; but God, who is rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in sins, made us alive together with Christ, by whose grace we have been saved.” What, then, is the natural malice of man, and seed cursed from the beginning, and born by nature for capture and destruction, and by nature children of wrath? Was that nature so created in Adam? Far from it; but because it was corrupted in him, it has so run, and runs, through all by nature that nothing sets it free from this perdition but the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 5:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Pet 2:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 2:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 2:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 2:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:25 (echo, medium confidence)
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Summary: Scripture speaks of seed cursed from the beginning and of children of wrath by nature, which shows a fault in human nature inherited from Adam.
- The Wisdom passage (Wis 12:10–11) concerns the Canaanites; Augustine applies it to humanity.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray periods; word split by OCR): quoniam n equam est → quoniam nequam est; deus autem,..qui → deus autem, qui.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 12:10 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation); Wis 12:11 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.20 (CSEL 42:272–273; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.21CSEL 42:273–274
Quid est ergo quod iste adiungit et dicit de Noe et filiis eius, quod similiter benedicti sint ut Adam et Eua dicente deo: crescite et multiplicamini et replete terram et dominamini eius? quibus dei uerbis addit sua dicens: uoluptas ergo ista, quam tu diabolicam uis uideri, iam in supradictis coniugibus habebatur, quae ut institutione bona ita etiam benedictione permansit. non enim dubitatur de hac ad Noe et filios eius corporum commixtione dictum, cuius iam usus inoleuerat: crescite et multiplicamini et replete terram. non opus est eadem multis uerbis repetere. de uitio hic agitur, quo est deprauata natura bona, cuius uitii auctor est diabolus, non de naturae ipsius bonitate, cuius auctor est deus, qui neque ab ipsa uitiata deprauataque natura suam abstinuit bonitatem, ut auferret hominum fecunditatem, uiuacitatem, sanitatem ipsamque substantiam animi et corporis, sensus atque rationem, alimenta, nutrimenta, incrementa, qui etiam facit oriri solem suum super bonos et malos et pluit super iustos et iniustos et quidquid boni est naturae humanae a deo bono etiam in illis hominibus qui non liberabuntur a malo.
What, then, is this that he adds, saying of Noah and his sons that they were blessed like Adam and Eve, when God said, “Increase and multiply and fill the earth and have dominion over it”? To these words of God he adds his own: “This pleasure, then, which you want to seem diabolical, already existed in the spouses mentioned above, and as it was good by its institution, so it remained by blessing.” For there is no doubt that it was of this union of bodies, the practice of which was by then well established, that it was said to Noah and his sons, “Increase and multiply and fill the earth.” There is no need to repeat the same things at length. The question here concerns the fault by which a good nature was depraved, of which fault the devil is the author; not the goodness of nature itself, of which God is the author, who has not withheld his goodness even from that corrupted and depraved nature so as to take away human fruitfulness, vitality, health, the very substance of mind and body, sense and reason, food, nourishment, and growth; who also makes his sun rise on the good and the evil and sends rain on the just and the unjust; and whatever good there is in human nature is from the good God, even in those human beings who will not be set free from evil.
Gen 9:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 1:28 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 5:45 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: The blessing given to Noah concerns the good of nature, which God preserves even in fallen humanity, not the fault that corrupted it.
- Julian's quotation merges Gen 9:1 with Gen 1:28 ('have dominion').
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.21 (CSEL 42:273–274; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.22CSEL 42:274–275
Voluptatem tamen iste et hic dixit, quia potest uoluptas et honesta esse, non dixit carnis concupiscentiam uel libidinem, quae pudenda est. sed in consequentibus aperuit uerecundiam suam nec dissimulare potuit ab eo, quod uiolenter ipsa natura praescripsit. et illud, inquit, propter hoc relinquet homo patrem et matrem et adhaerebit uxori suae, et erunt duo in carne una, et post haec dei uerba sua ipse subiungens, ut exprimeret, inquit, fidem operum, propheta prope periculum pudoris accessit. o aperta prorsus et ui ueritatis extorta confessio! propheta ergo, ut exprimeret fidem operum, prope periculum pudoris accessit, quia dixit: erunt duo in carne una, ubi commixtionem maris et feminae intellegi uoluit. dicatur causa, cur in exprimendis operibus dei propheta prope periculum pudoris accesserit. itane uero humana opera pudenda esse non debent, sed plane glorianda, et diuina pudenda sunt? itane uero in eloquendis et exprimendis operibus dei non honoratur prophetae uel amor uel labor, sed periclitatur pudor? quid enim deus potuit facere, quod eius praedicatorem pudeat dicere et, quod est grauius, pudeat hominem alicuius operis, quod non homo, sed deus fecit in homine, cum omnes opifices quanto possunt labore et industria id agant, ne de suis operibus erubescant? sed profecto illud nos pudet, quod puduit primos illos homines, quando pudenda texerunt. illa est poena peccati, illa plaga uestigiumque peccati, illa inlecebra fomesque peccati, illa lex in membris repugnans legi mentis, illa ex nobis ipsis aduersus nos ipsos inoboedientia iustissimo reciprocatu inoboedientibus reddita. huius nos pudet et merito pudet. nam si hoc non esset, quid nobis esset ingratius, quid inreligiosius, si in membris nostris non de uitio uel de poena nostra, sed de dei confunderemur operibus?
Here too he said “pleasure,” since pleasure can also be honorable; he did not say concupiscence of the flesh or lust, which is shameful. But in what follows he disclosed his embarrassment and could not hide from what nature itself has forcefully laid down. “And that saying,” he says, “‘For this reason a man will leave father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two will be in one flesh’”; and after these words of God he adds his own: “To express the reality of the works,” he says, “the prophet came near the danger of shame.” O confession wholly open and wrung out by the force of truth! The prophet, then, to express the reality of the works, came near the danger of shame, because he said, “The two will be in one flesh,” by which he meant the union of male and female to be understood. Let him state the reason why, in expressing the works of God, the prophet came near the danger of shame. Is it really so, that human works ought not to be shameful, but plainly matters of glory, while the divine works are shameful? Is it really so, that in speaking of and expressing the works of God the prophet's love or labor is not honored, but his modesty is endangered? For what could God make that his herald should be ashamed to speak of; and, what is graver, how should a man be ashamed of some work that not man but God made in man, when all craftsmen strive with all the labor and industry they can not to blush for their works? But surely what makes us ashamed is what made those first human beings ashamed when they covered their shameful parts. That is the penalty of sin, that is the wound and trace of sin, that is the enticement and tinder of sin, that is the law in the members warring against the law of the mind, that is the disobedience from within ourselves against ourselves, paid back with most just requital to the disobedient. Of this we are ashamed, and rightly ashamed. For if it were not so, what would be more ungrateful, more irreligious, than to be confounded in our members not by our fault or our punishment, but by the works of God?
Gen 2:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 3:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 7:23 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Julian admits that Scripture's 'one flesh' approaches shame, which proves that the shame comes from the penalty of sin, not from God's work.
- 'The reality of the works' renders fidem operum (literally 'the faithfulness' or 'truth of the works'); the sense of Julian's phrase is uncertain.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray quotation mark; stray quotation marks, a split word (in quit), and a stray letter): 'et illud, inquit, → et illud, inquit,; ut exprimeret', in quit, (fidem operum, propheta prope periculum pudoris accessit.s o aperta → ut exprimeret, inquit, fidem operum, propheta prope periculum pudoris accessit. o aperta.
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.22 (CSEL 42:274–275; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.23CSEL 42:275–276
Dicit etiam iste multa frustra de Abraham et Sarra, quomodo ex repromissione acceperint filium, et tandem concupiscentiam nominat, non tamen addit carnis, quia ipsa pudenda est. in concupiscentiae autem nomine aliquando gloriandum est, quia est et concupiscentia spiritus aduersus carnem, est et concupiscentia sapientiae. ait ergo: certe hanc concupiscentiam, sine qua nulla fecunditas est, malam naturaliter definisti. unde ergo per donum caeleste in senibus excitatur? adstrue iam hoc, si potes, ad opus diaboli pertinere, quod deum uides conferre pro munere. ita hoc dicit, quasi concupiscentia carnis illis ante defuerit et hanc eis donauerit deus, quae procul dubio inerat in corpore mortis huius; sed fecunditas defuit, cuius auctor est deus, et ipsa donata est quando uoluit deus. absit autem, ut dicamus, quod nos putauit esse dicturos, Isaac - sine concubitus calore generatum.
He also says much to no purpose about Abraham and Sarah, how they received a son by promise, and at last he names concupiscence, yet he does not add “of the flesh,” because that is shameful. In the name of concupiscence one may sometimes glory, since there is also the concupiscence of the spirit against the flesh, and there is also the concupiscence of wisdom. He says, then: “Certainly you have defined this concupiscence, without which there is no fruitfulness, as naturally evil. Why, then, is it stirred up in the old by a heavenly gift? Prove now, if you can, that what you see God confer as a gift belongs to the work of the devil.” He says this as though the concupiscence of the flesh had been lacking in them before and God had given it to them, when it was without doubt present in the body of this death; but fruitfulness was lacking, of which God is the author, and it was given when God willed. Far be it from us, however, to say what he thought we would say, that Isaac was begotten without the heat of intercourse.
Gen 18:10 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 21:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 5:17 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: In Abraham and Sarah God gave fruitfulness, not concupiscence, which was already present in the body of this death.
- 'The concupiscence of wisdom' recalls Wis 6:20 (concupiscentia sapientiae).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (first half of a word divided at a line break was lost (concu-piscentiam)): et tandem piscentiam → et tandem concupiscentiam.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 6:20 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.23 (CSEL 42:275–276; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.24CSEL 42:276–277
Sed ipse iam dicat, quare interiret anima eius de genere suo, si circumcisus die non esset octauo, quid ipse peccasset, quid offendisset deum, ut de aliena in se neglegentia tam seuera sententia puniretur, si nullum esset originale peccatum. de circumcidendis enim deus sic mandauit infantibus: masculus qui non circumcidetur carnem praeputii sui octauo die, disperiet anima eius de genere suo, quia testamentum meum dissipauit. dicat iste, si potest, quomodo puer ille testamentum dei dissipauit octo dierum, quantum ad ipsum proprie adtinet, innocens infans, et tamen nullo modo deus uel sancta scriptura id mendaciter diceret. tunc ergo dissipauit testamentum dei, non hoc de imperata circumcisione, sed illud de ligni prohibitione, quando per unum hominem peccatum intrauit in mundum et per peccatum mors, et ita in omnes homines pertransiit, in quo omnes peccauerunt. et hoc in illo significabatur expiari circumcisione octaui diei, hoc est sacramento mediatoris in carne uenturi, quia per eandem fidem uenturi in carne Christi et morituri pro nobis et tertio die, qui post septimum sabbati fuerat futurus octauus, resurrecturi etiam iusti saluabantur antiqui. traditus est enim propter delicta nostra et resurrexit propter iustificationem nostram. ex quo enim instituta est circumcisio in populo dei, quod erat tunc signaculum iustitiae fidei, ad significationem purgationis ualebat et paruulis originalis ueterisque peccati, sicut et baptismus ex illo ualere coepit ad innouationem hominis, ex quo est institutus, non quod ante circumcisionem iustitia fidei nulla erat — nam cum adhuc esset in praeputio, ex fide iustificatus est ipse Abraham, pater gentium, quae fidem ipsius fuerant sectaturae — sed superioribus temporibus omni modo latuit sacramentum iustificationis ex fide. eadem tamen fides mediatoris saluos iustos faciebat antiquos, pusillos cum magnis, non uetus testamentum quod in seruitutem generat, non lex quae non sic est data, quae posset uiuificare, sed gratia dei per Iesum Christum dominum nostrum, quia sicut credimus nos Christum in carne uenisse, sic illi uenturum, sicut nos mortuum, ita illi moriturum, sicut nos resurrexisse, ita illi resurrecturum, et nos uero et illi ad iudicium mortuorum uiuorumque uenturum. non ergo iste humanam male defendendo inpediat a salute naturam, quia omnes sub peccato nascimur et per unum solum, qui sine peccato natus est, liberamur.
But let him now say why the child's soul would perish from his people if he had not been circumcised on the eighth day—what he himself had sinned, how he had offended God, that he should be punished by so severe a sentence for another's neglect of him—if there were no original sin. For God commanded thus concerning the circumcision of infants: “The male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin on the eighth day, his soul shall perish from his people, because he has broken my covenant.” Let him say, if he can, how that child of eight days broke the covenant of God—an innocent infant, as far as he himself is concerned; and yet God, or holy Scripture, would by no means say this falsely. He broke the covenant of God, then, not this one about the commanded circumcision, but that one about the forbidden tree, when “through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so it passed through to all men, in whom all sinned.” And this was signified as expiated in him by the circumcision of the eighth day, that is, by the sacrament of the Mediator who was to come in the flesh; because through the same faith in Christ—who was to come in the flesh, to die for us, and to rise on the third day, which was to be the eighth, following the seventh, the Sabbath—the righteous of old too were saved. For “he was handed over for our offenses and rose for our justification.” From the time circumcision was instituted in the people of God, being then the seal of the righteousness of faith, it availed for little children too as a sign of cleansing from the original and old sin, just as baptism too began to avail for the renewal of man from the time it was instituted. Not that there was no righteousness of faith before circumcision—for Abraham himself, the father of the nations who were to follow his faith, was justified by faith while still uncircumcised—but in earlier times the sacrament of justification by faith was entirely hidden. Yet the same faith in the Mediator saved the righteous of old, the little ones with the great—not the old covenant, which bears children for slavery, not the law, which was not given as one that could give life, but the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord. For just as we believe that Christ has come in the flesh, so they believed he would come; as we believe he died, so they believed he would die; as we believe he has risen, so they believed he would rise; and both we and they believe that he will come to judge the dead and the living. Let this man not, then, by defending human nature badly, hinder it from salvation; for we are all born under sin and are set free only through the one who was born without sin.
Gen 17:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 2:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 5:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 4:10 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 115:13 (113:21 LXX) (echo, low confidence) · Gal 4:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 3:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 10:42 (echo, medium confidence)
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Summary: The penalty for an uncircumcised infant shows original sin; circumcision, like baptism later, signified cleansing from it through faith in the coming Mediator.
- Gen 17:14 is quoted in its Greek and Latin form, which includes 'on the eighth day'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (word split by OCR): traditus e st enim → traditus est enim.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.24 (CSEL 42:276–277; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.25CSEL 42:277–278
Ista, inquit, corporum commixtio cum calore, cum uoluptate, cum semine a deo facta et pro suo modo laudabilis adprobatur, quae aliquando etiam amplum efficitur munus piorum. dixit cum calore, dixit cum uoluptate, dixit cum semine, non tamen dicere ausus est cum libidine. quare, nisi quia nominare erubescit, quam laudare non erubescit? munus autem piorum propagatio est fecunda filiorum, non commotio pudenda membrorum, quam non haberet in generandis filiis natura sana, nunc autem habet eam natura uitiata. ac per hoc et qui inde nascitur indiget renasci, ut sit membrum Christi, et de quo nascitur, si iam renatus est, indiget liberari ab ea quae in corpore mortis huius est lege peccati. quae cum ita sint, quomodo adiungit et dicit: confitearis ergo necesse est originale quod finxeras interisse peccatum? non ego finxi originale peccatum, quod catholica fides credit antiquitus; sed tu, qui hoc negas, sine dubio es nouus haereticus. sub diabolo autem sunt iudicio dei omnes cum peccato generati, si non fuerint in Christo regenerati.
“This union of bodies,” he says, “with heat, with pleasure, with seed, was made by God and is approved as praiseworthy in its own measure; and sometimes it even becomes a generous gift to the godly.” He said “with heat,” he said “with pleasure,” he said “with seed,” but he did not dare to say “with lust.” Why, unless because he blushes to name what he does not blush to praise? The gift to the godly, however, is the fruitful propagation of children, not the shameful stirring of the members, which a healthy nature would not have in begetting children, but which a corrupted nature now has. For this reason both he who is born of it needs to be reborn, so that he may be a member of Christ, and he of whom he is born, if he has already been reborn, needs to be set free from that law of sin which is in the body of this death. Since this is so, how can he go on to say, “You must then confess that the original sin you had invented has perished”? I did not invent original sin, which the catholic faith has believed from of old; but you, who deny it, are without doubt a new heretic. All who are generated with sin are under the devil by the judgment of God, if they have not been regenerated in Christ.
Rom 7:23 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 7:24 (echo, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Julian praises intercourse 'with heat, pleasure, and seed' but will not say 'with lust'; original sin is the ancient faith, not Augustine's invention.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread a stop as a backslash; stray quotation mark): Ista, inquit, 'corporum → Ista, inquit, corporum; amplum efficitur munus piorum\\ dixit → amplum efficitur munus piorum. dixit.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.25 (CSEL 42:277–278; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.26CSEL 42:278–279
Sed quia de Abraham loquebatur et Sarra, subiunxit atque ait: quodsi dixeris: usus in eis uigebat et fetus non erat, respondebo: quem conditor promisit, conditor dedit, non concubitus, sed dei est opus qui nascitur. qui enim primum hominem fecit ex puluere, omnes fabricatur ex semine, sicut ergo tunc limus qui adsumptus est materia non auctor hominis fuit, ita nunc uis illa uoluptatis, confectrix commixtrixque seminum, non explet operationis uicem, sed de thesauris naturae offert deo, unde ille hominem dignetur operari. haec omnia, quae dixit, excepto quod ait a uoluptate semina confici atque misceri, recte diceret, si in eis catholicum sensum defendere niteretur; quia uero scimus quid ex his moliatur efficere, profecto dicit etiam recta peruerse. illud itaque, quo excepto cetera uera esse non abnuo, ideo non est uerum, quia uoluptas illa concupiscentiae carnalis non conficit semina, sed ea quae iam sunt in corporibus a uero deo condita. a quo ipsa conduntur et corpora, non fiunt uoluptate, sed excitantur et emittuntur cum uoluptate. utrum autem utriusque sexus semina in muliebri utero cum uoluptate misceantur, uiderint feminae quid in secretis uisceribus sentiant; nos non decet inaniter usque ad ista esse curiosos. libido tamen illa erubescenda — unde pudenda ipsa appellata sunt membra — non fuit in corpore uitae illius, quae in paradiso fuit ante peccatum, sed coepit esse in corpore mortis huius retributa inoboedientia inoboedientiae post peccatum. sine qua libidine poterat opus fieri coniugum in generatione filiorum, sicut multa opera fiunt oboedientia ceterorum sine illo ardore membrorum, quae uoluntatis nutu mouentur, non aestu libidinis concitantur.
But since he was speaking about Abraham and Sarah, he added: “But if you say, ‘Intercourse flourished in them, and there was no offspring,’ I will answer: the one whom the Creator promised, the Creator gave; the one who is born is the work not of intercourse but of God. For he who made the first man from dust fashions all from seed. Just as the clay that was taken up then was the material, not the author, of man, so now that force of pleasure, which produces and mixes the seeds, does not do the work itself, but offers to God from the treasuries of nature that from which he may deign to make a man.” All these things that he said, except where he says that the seeds are produced and mixed by pleasure, he would say rightly if he were striving to defend a catholic sense in them; but because we know what he is trying to achieve by them, he says even right things perversely. That one statement, apart from which I do not deny that the rest is true, is not true, because the pleasure of carnal concupiscence does not produce the seeds; they are already in bodies, created by the true God, by whom the bodies themselves are created; they are not made by pleasure, but are stirred up and emitted with pleasure. Whether the seeds of both sexes are mixed with pleasure in the woman's womb, let women consider what they feel in their hidden parts; it is not fitting for us to be idly curious even to that point. Yet that lust which is to be blushed at—from which the members themselves have been called shameful—did not exist in the body of that life which was in paradise before sin, but began to exist in the body of this death after sin, disobedience being paid back for disobedience. Without that lust the work of spouses in begetting children could have been done, just as many works are done by the obedience of the other members, which are moved at the nod of the will, not roused by the heat of lust.
Gen 18:10 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 7:24 (echo, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God makes each child as he made Adam from clay, but pleasure does not produce the seed, and procreation could have taken place without lust.
- 'Called shameful': the Latin name for the genitals, pudenda, means 'the shameful parts'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (doubled period; stray period inside the sentence; stray quotation mark and question mark): uis illa uoluptatis. confectrix → uis illa uoluptatis, confectrix; operari'?. haec → operari. haec; libidine poterat. opus → libidine poterat opus; concitantur.. → concitantur..
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.26 (CSEL 42:278–279; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Urba and Zycha's Latin text (CSEL 42, 1902); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 5 translation (Holmes and Wallis, 1887).
2.27CSEL 42:279–281
Adtende cetera: hoc etiam, inquit, apostoli confirmat auctoritas; cum enim beatus Paulus de mortuorum resurrectione loqueretur, ait: insipiens, tu quod seminas non uiuificatur, et infra: deus autem dat illi corpus prout uult et unicuique seminum proprium corpus. si ergo deus, inquit, humano semini, quod nemo negat uel prudentium uel piorum, proprium sicut omnibus rebus corpus adtribuit, unde quemquam reum natum probabis? tandem oro respicias, quibus laqueis peccati naturalis suffocetur adsertio. uerum age, inquit, tecum, precor, mitius. mihi crede, etiam te deus fecit, sed, quod fatendum est, grauis error infecit. quid enim potest profanius dici, quam quod deus hominem aut non fecerit aut, ut dicis, diabolo fecerit aut certe diabolus dei sit imaginem, hoc est hominem fabricatus, quod non minus stultum dinoscitur esse quam inpium? ergo tam inops, inquit, tam inuerecundus deus est, ut non habuerit quod in praemium sanctis hominibus daret, nisi quod deceptis diabolus infudit in uitio? uis autem scire, quod etiam in his, qui sancti non sunt, hanc generationum potentiam deus tribuisse probetur? eo igitur tempore, cum Abraham metu percussus gentis barbarae Sarram, quae uxor erat, sororem suam dixit, refertur Abimelech rex illius prouinciae adduxisse eam in noctis usum. sed deus, cui curae erat honor sanctae mulieris, in somnis Abimelech ueniens regiam frenauit audaciam comminatus interitum, si pergeret uiolare coniugium. tunc Abimelech ait: numquid, domine, gentem ignorantem et iustam perdes? nonne ipsi dixerunt se germanitate coniunctos? surrexit ergo mane Abimelech et accepit mille didragma argenti et oues et uitulos et pueros et ancillas et dedit Abrahae atque a se mulierem remisit intactam. orauit uero deum Abraham pro Abimelech; et sanauit deus Abimelech et uxorem et ancillas eius. cur autem haec tanta prolixitate narrauerit, accipe breuiter. in his enim quae secutus adiunxit deus, inquit, orante Abraham curauit potentia dispensationis secretae, quae nota est uerecundis uilium feminarum, quia clauserat deus aforis omnem uuluam in domo Abimelech. uide ergo, inquit, utrum naturaliter malum dici debet, quod interdum aufert exasperatus deus redditque placatus. ipse, inquit, facit et piorum filios et inpiorum, quoniam quod fiunt parentes, ad naturam pertinet, quae deo gaudet auctore, quod autem inpii sunt, ad studiorum prauitatem, quae unicuique de libera uoluntate contingit.
Consider the rest: “This too,” he says, “the authority of the apostle confirms. For when blessed Paul was speaking of the resurrection of the dead, he said, ‘Fool, what you sow is not made alive,’ and below, ‘But God gives it a body as he wills, and to each of the seeds its own body.’ If, then,” he says, “God assigns to human seed its own body, as he does to all things—which no one, whether prudent or godly, denies—how will you prove that anyone is born guilty? Look back at last, I beg, and see by what snares the assertion of natural sin is strangled. But come,” he says, “deal more gently with yourself, I pray. Believe me, God made you too; but, as must be admitted, a grave error has infected you. For what more profane thing can be said than that God either did not make man, or, as you say, made him for the devil, or at least that the devil fashioned the image of God, that is, man—which is seen to be no less foolish than impious? Is God, then,” he says, “so poor, so shameless, that he had nothing to give as a reward to holy men except what the devil poured into the deceived as a fault? But do you want to know that God is proved to have granted this power of generation even to those who are not holy? At the time when Abraham, struck with fear of a barbarous people, said that Sarah, who was his wife, was his sister, Abimelech, king of that region, is related to have taken her for the use of the night. But God, who cared for the honor of the holy woman, came to Abimelech in his sleep and curbed the king's audacity, threatening him with death if he went on to violate the marriage. Then Abimelech said: ‘Lord, will you destroy an ignorant and righteous nation? Did they not themselves say that they were joined as brother and sister?’ Abimelech therefore rose in the morning and took a thousand didrachmas of silver, and sheep and calves and menservants and maidservants, and gave them to Abraham, and sent the woman back from him untouched. And Abraham prayed to God for Abimelech; and God healed Abimelech and his wife and his maidservants.” Why he narrated these things at such length, learn briefly. For in what he added next he says: “At Abraham's prayer God healed, by the power of a secret dispensation, what is known to the modesty of even common women; for God had closed from outside every womb in the house of Abimelech. See, then,” he says, “whether what God sometimes takes away when angered, and gives back when appeased, ought to be called naturally evil. He himself,” he says, “makes the children both of the godly and of the ungodly; for that they become parents belongs to nature, which rejoices in God as its author, but that they are ungodly belongs to the depravity of their pursuits, which befalls each from free will.”
1 Cor 15:36 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:38 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 20:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 20:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 20:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 20:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 20:14 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 20:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 20:18 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Julian cites 1 Cor 15 and the story of Abimelech to argue that God gives the power of generation and that no one is born guilty.
- The words are Julian's, as Augustine quotes them; his retelling of Gen 20 is a paraphrase. The phrase 'what is known to the modesty of even common women' is obscure in the Latin, and the rendering is uncertain.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray asterisk; stray period inside the sentence; words run together by OCR): quod fatendum est. grauis → quod fatendum est, grauis; profanius dici. quam → profanius dici, quam; omnem uuluamin domo → omnem uuluam in domo; contingit*. → contingit..
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.27 (CSEL 42:279–281; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.28CSEL 42:281–282
His omnibus, quae tam multa dixit, respondemus nihil diuinis testimoniis, quae interposuit, esse dictum de pudenda libidine, quam dicimus non fuisse in corpore beatorum, quando nudi erant et non confundebantur. nam primum illud apostoli de seminibus dictum est frumentorum, quae prius moriuntur, ut uiuificentur. quam sententiam scilicet apostolicam quo consilio nescio noluit iste conplere; nam eam huc usque commemorauit: insipiens, tu quod seminas non uiuificatur. apostolus autem addit: nisi moriatur. sed iste, quantum existimo, quod de frumentis dictum est, de humano semine accipi uoluit ab eis, qui haec legunt et scripturas sanctas uel nesciunt uel non recordantur. denique non solum istam sententiam decurtauit, ut non adderet: nisi moriatur, uerum etiam sequentia praetermisit, ubi aperuit apostolus de quibus seminibus loqueretur. ait enim apostolus: et quod seminas, non corpus quod futurum est seminas, sed nudum granum fere tritici aut alicuius ceterorum. his praetermissis iste contexuit quod deinde dicit apostolus: deus autem illi dat corpus prout uult et unicuique seminum proprium corpus, tamquam de concumbente homine dixerit apostolus: insipiens, tu quod seminas non uiuificatur, ut intellegeremus non ab homine concubitu filios seminante, sed a deo uiuificari semen humanum. sic enim fuerat praelocutus, quia uoluptas illa non explet operationis uicem, sed de thesauris naturae offert deo, unde ille hominem dignetur operari, et subiunxit testimonium, quasi hoc dixerit apostolus: insipiens, tu quod seminas non uiuificatur, hoc est non a te uiuificatur, sed hominem de tuo semine deus operatur, tamquam ab apostolo media illa, quae praetermisit iste, non dicta sint atque ita se habeat eius sententia. uelut de humano semine loqueretur: insipiens, tu quod seminas non uiuificatur; deus autem illi dat corpus prout uult et unicuique seminum proprium corpus. denique post haec apostoli uerba sic infert sua: si ergo deus, inquit, humano semini, quod nemo negat uel prudentium uel piorum, proprium sicut omnibus rebus corpus adtribuit, quasi apostolus de humano semine in illo testimonio sit locutus.
To all these many things that he said we answer that nothing in the divine testimonies he inserted was said about the shameful lust which we say did not exist in the bodies of the blessed when they were naked and not ashamed. For the first, the apostle's words, was said of the seeds of grain, which first die so that they may be made alive. With what design he was unwilling to complete this statement of the apostle I do not know; for he quoted it only this far: “Fool, what you sow is not made alive.” But the apostle adds: “unless it dies.” But he, as I suppose, wanted what was said of grain to be taken of human seed by those who read these things and either do not know the holy Scriptures or do not remember them. In fact, he not only cut this statement short, not adding “unless it dies,” but also passed over what follows, where the apostle made clear of what seeds he was speaking. For the apostle says: “And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of some other kind.” Passing over these words, he joined on what the apostle says next: “But God gives it a body as he wills, and to each of the seeds its own body”—as though the apostle had said of a man lying with a woman, “Fool, what you sow is not made alive,” so that we should understand that human seed is made alive not by the man who sows children by intercourse but by God. For so he had said beforehand, that that pleasure “does not do the work itself, but offers to God from the treasuries of nature that from which he may deign to make a man”; and he added the testimony as if the apostle had said, “Fool, what you sow is not made alive,” that is, is not made alive by you, but God makes a man from your seed—as though the middle words that he passed over had not been said by the apostle, and the apostle's statement ran thus, as if speaking of human seed: “Fool, what you sow is not made alive; but God gives it a body as he wills, and to each of the seeds its own body.” Then after these words of the apostle he brings in his own: “If, then, God assigns to human seed its own body, as he does to all things—which no one, whether prudent or godly, denies”—as though the apostle had spoken of human seed in that testimony.
Gen 2:25 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:36 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:37 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:38 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Julian cut short 1 Cor 15:36–38, which speaks of grain that dies and rises, to make it seem to speak of human seed.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.28 (CSEL 42:281–282; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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2.29CSEL 42:282–283
De qua fraude quid adiuuaretur eius intentio, cum aliquanto adtentius cogitarem, nihil potui reperire, nisi quia testem uoluit adhibere apostolum, quo probaret deum, quod et nos dicimus, de humanis seminibus hominem operari. et cum ei testimonium nullum occurreret, isto abusus est fraudulenter. timens utique, ne forte, si adpareret apostolum non de humanis seminibus, sed de frumentis illa dixisse, hinc admoneremur, unde refutaretur non religiosae uoluntatis, sed libidinosae uoluptatis pudens nominator et inpudens praedicator. de ipsis quippe seminibus quae in agris agricolae seminant, potest iste redargui. cur enim non credamus deum potuisse in paradiso concedere homini beato de suo semine, quod concessum uidemus agricolis de tritici semine, ut eo modo illud sereretur sine ulla pudenda libidine ad uoluntatis nutum membris obsequentibus genitalibus. sicut hoc seritur sine ulla pudenda libidine ad uoluntatis nutum agricolarum obsequentibus manibus, honestiore in parentibus gignendorum desiderio filiorum, quam est inplendorum in arantibus horreorum, ac deinde creator omnipotens incontaminabili ubique praesentia et creatrice potentia de seminibus hominum prout uellet, quod et nunc facit, operaretur in femina, sicut de seminibus frumentorum prout uult operatur in terra, beatis matribus sine libidinosa uoluptate concipientibus, sine aerumnoso gemitu parientibus, quandoquidem in illa felicitate et in corpore nondum mortis huius, sed uitae illius non esset feminis in excipiendis seminibus quod puderet, sicut non esset in edendis fetibus quod doleret? quisquis non credit uel credi non uult hominibus ante omne peccatum in illa paradisi felicitate uersantibus hoc potuisse dei uoluntate et benignitate concedi, non optandae fecunditatis laudator, sed pudendae uoluptatis amator est.
When I considered somewhat more attentively what his purpose gained by this deceit, I could find nothing except that he wanted to bring in the apostle as a witness to prove that God makes a man from human seed, which we too say. And since no testimony occurred to him, he misused this one deceitfully—fearing, no doubt, that if it appeared that the apostle had said those things not of human seeds but of grain, we might be reminded by it of something with which to refute him, who is ashamed to name, and shameless to proclaim, not a religious will but a lustful pleasure. For he can be refuted from the very seeds that farmers sow in their fields. Why should we not believe that God could have granted to blessed man in paradise, in regard to his own seed, what we see granted to farmers in regard to the seed of wheat: that it should be sown without any shameful lust, the genital members obeying the nod of the will, just as the wheat is sown without any shameful lust, the farmers' hands obeying the nod of their will—the desire of parents to beget children being more honorable than that of plowmen to fill their barns; and that then the almighty Creator, with his undefilable presence everywhere and his creative power, should work from human seeds in the woman as he willed—as he does even now—just as he works as he wills from the seeds of grain in the earth, blessed mothers conceiving without lustful pleasure and giving birth without painful groaning? For in that happiness, and in a body not yet of this death but of that life, there would have been nothing to shame women in receiving seed, as there would have been nothing to pain them in bringing forth offspring. Whoever does not believe, or does not want it believed, that this could have been granted by the will and kindness of God to human beings living in that happiness of paradise before any sin, is not a praiser of fruitfulness to be desired but a lover of pleasure to be ashamed of.
Gen 3:16 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: As farmers sow by the will without lust, so in paradise human seed could have been sown by obedient members, and children conceived without lust and born without pain.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread n as ij; stray colon; stray period; stray period inside the sentence; words run together by OCR): iijcontaminabili → incontaminabili; crea:trice → creatrice; prout uellet,. quod → prout uellet, quod; uulthominibus → uult hominibus; uoluptatis. amator est → uoluptatis amator est.
Topics: Marriage
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nupt. conc. 2.29 (CSEL 42:282–283; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-nuptiis-concupiscentia/2-14/#p-2-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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