Against the Letters of Petilian 3.48–3.62

Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra litteras Petiliani (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).

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Chapter 3

3.48CSEL 52:201

Deinceps perrexit ore maledico in uituperationem monasteriorum et monachorum, arguens etiam me, quod hoc genus uitae a me fuerit institutum; quod genus uitae omnino quale sit nescit uel potius toto orbe notissimum nescire se fingit. inde asserens me dixisse Christum esse baptistam subiecit etiam quaedam uerba ex epistula mea, quasi hoc ex mea sententia dixerim, quod ex uestra et ipsius dixi, et copiosissima atrocitate inuectus est quasi in me qui hoc dixerim, cum illa quam reprehendit non sit mea sed ipsius et uestra sententia, quod paulo post dilucide, quantum ualuero, demonstrabo. deinde conatus est nos docere multis et superfluis uerbis, quod non Christus baptizet, sed in eius nomine baptizetur simul et patris et filii et spiritus sancti, deque ipsa trinitate dixit uel quod uoluit uel quod potuit, Christum esse medium trinitatis. inde de nomine Simonis et Bar Iesu magorum ingessit nobis quas eum libuit contumelias, inde Optati Thamugadensis causam pedetemptim suspendens, ne illius perfunderetur inuidia, non se nec suos de illo iudicare potuisse et in eo ipso nos insimulans, quod meis ille suggestionibus pressus sit.

Next he went on, with cursing mouth, to revile monasteries and monks, blaming me too because this kind of life was instituted by me; a kind of life whose nature he does not know at all, or rather, though it is very well known throughout the world, pretends not to know. Then, asserting that I said Christ is the baptizer, he also added some words from my letter, as if I had said this from my own view, when I said it from yours and his; and he inveighed with the most copious ferocity as if against me for saying it, when the view he criticizes is not mine but his and yours, as I will show clearly a little later, as far as I can. Then he tried to teach us, in many superfluous words, that Christ does not baptize, but that baptism is in his name together with the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; and about the Trinity itself he said what he wished or what he could, that Christ is the middle of the Trinity. From there he heaped on us whatever insults he liked from the names of the magicians Simon and Bar-Jesus; then, cautiously suspending the case of Optatus of Thamugadi, so as not to be drenched in its odium, he said that neither he nor his people could judge him, and in this very thing he accused us of having pressed Optatus by my suggestions.

Acts 8:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 13:6 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine summarizes the rest of Petilian's letter: attacks on monasticism, on Augustine's statement that Christ baptizes, magicians' names, and the case of Optatus.

  • Augustine had founded monasteries at Thagaste and Hippo. Acts 8:9–24; Acts 13:6–11.

Topics: Baptism, Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.48 (CSEL 52:201; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-48). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.49CSEL 52:201–202

Postremo conclusit epistulam suos exhortans et monens, ne decipiantur a nobis, et nostros dolens, quod eos peiores quam fuerant fecerimus. his igitur diligenter consideratis atque discussis, quod ex ea ipsa epistula quam scripsit satis dilucide apparet, Petilianus non respondit omnino ad hoc quod in epistula mea primitus posui, si, quemadmodum dicit, conscientia dantis uel potius, ut addam quod magnum firmamentum putat, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde abluendus sit qui accipit baptismum, cum, si dantis polluta conscientia est, accepturus ignorat. unde non mirandum est hominem pro falsitate resistentem pressum contra uenientis ueritatis angustiis insana potius anhelasse conuicia quam cum illa, quae uinci non potest, ambulare uoluisse.

Finally he ended his letter by exhorting and warning his people not to be deceived by us, and lamenting over ours, that we had made them worse than they had been. When these things have been carefully considered and examined, it appears clearly enough from that very letter he wrote that Petilian did not answer at all what I first put in my letter: if, as he says, the conscience of the giver, or rather (to add what he thinks a great support), if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, when, if the giver's conscience is polluted, the one about to receive does not know it? So it is not surprising that a man resisting for falsehood, pressed by the straits of the truth coming against him, panted out mad abuse rather than chose to walk with that truth which cannot be conquered.

Notes and citation

Summary: Petilian's letter ends without answering the central question.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark): resistentem pressum. contra → resistentem pressum contra.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.49 (CSEL 52:201–202; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-49). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.50CSEL 52:202

Nunc iam, obsecro, paucis animum intendite, ut uobis quid timuerit, ut ad hoc non responderet, euidenter ostendam et quod obscurare conatus est in lucem proferam. poterat utique nobis quaerentibus, unde abluendus sit qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat, facillime respondere: a domino deo et omnino fidentissime dicere: prorsus deus abluit accipientis conscientiam, quando maculosam non sancte dantis ignorat. sed homo, qui iam sectae uestrae intentione coactus fuerat mundationem accipientis in conscientia dantis ponere, quippe qui dixerat: conscientia namque dantis uel sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, timuit, ne melius homo baptizari uideretur ab occulto homine malo quam a manifesto homine bono; tunc enim non a conscientia sancte dantis hominis, sed ab ipsa excellentissima dei sanctitate esset abluendus. hoc ergo metuens, ne tanta eum sequeretur absurditas uel potius dementia, ut qua fugeret nesciret, noluit dicere, unde sit accipientis abluenda conscientia, quando maculosam conscientiam non sancte dantis ignorat, et litigioso strepitu cuncta perturbans occultare maluit, quid ab eo quaereretur, quam hoc respondere quaerenti, unde statim suffocaretur, numquam tamen putans ab hominibus bene cordatis legi posse litteras nostras aut ab eis legi suas, qui legissent et meas quibus respondere se finxit.

Now, I beg you, attend a little, so that I may show you clearly what he feared, so as not to answer this, and bring to light what he tried to obscure. He could certainly have answered most easily when we asked from what source the one who receives baptism is to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it: “By the Lord God”; and said with complete confidence, “Certainly God cleanses the receiver's conscience when he does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness.” But the man, who had already been forced by the aim of your sect to place the cleansing of the receiver in the giver's conscience, since he had said, “For it is the conscience of the giver,” or “of one who gives in holiness, that is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver,” feared that a man would seem to be better baptized by a hidden bad man than by a manifestly good man; for then he would be cleansed not by the conscience of a man giving in holiness, but by the most excellent holiness of God himself. Fearing this, then, lest so great an absurdity, or rather madness, should follow him that he would not know where to flee, he would not say from what source the receiver's conscience is to be cleansed when he does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness; and, confusing everything with litigious noise, he preferred to hide what was asked of him rather than give the questioner an answer by which he would at once be choked; never thinking that our letters could be read by men of good sense, or his by those who had also read mine, to which he pretended to answer.

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Summary: Petilian could not answer 'God cleanses' without conceding that one baptized by a hidden sinner is better off than one baptized by a good man, which reduces his view to absurdity.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.50 (CSEL 52:202; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-50). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.51CSEL 52:202–204

Nam hoc, quod modo dixi, in illa ipsa epistula mea, contra quam scribendo nihil dixit, euidentissime positum est, et quid ibi egerit, quaeso, parumper aduertite et, quamuis illi faueatis nosque oderitis, si potestis, aequo animo tolerate. quia enim priore epistula sua, cuius primis partibus, quae solae in manus nostras tunc uenerant, primo responderam, ita spem baptizandi hominis in homine baptizandi posuerat, ut diceret: omnis res enim origine et radice consistit, et si caput non habet aliquid, nihil est, quia ergo haec Petilianus dixerat, non aliud uolens intellegi originem et radicem et caput baptizandi hominis nisi hominem a quo baptizaretur, subieci ego et dixi: quaerimus itaque nos, cum ille baptizator perfidus latet, si tunc ille quem baptizat fidem percipit, non reatum, si tunc ei non est baptizator eius origo et radix et caput: quis est a quo accipit fidem, ubi est origo de qua oritur, ubi radix unde germinat, ubi caput unde incipit? an forte, cum baptizantem perfidum ille qui baptizatur ignorat, tunc Christus dat fidem, tunc Christus est origo et radix et caput? hoc ergo et nunc dico et exclamo, sicut etiam illic exclamaui: o humana temeritas et superbia! cur non sinis potius ut semper Christus det fidem, christianum dando facturus? cur non sinis ut semper sit Christus origo christiani, in Christo radicem Christianus infigat, Christus christiani sit caput? neque enim etiam cum per sanctum et fidelem dispensatorem gratia spiritalis credentibus impertitur, dispensator ipse iustificat ac non ille unus, de quo dictum est quod iustificat impium, aut uero apostolus Paulus (caput) est et origo eorum quos plantauerat (aut Apollo radix est eorum quos rigauerat) ac non ille, qui eis incrementum dederat, cum idem dicat: ego plantaui, Apollo rigauit, sed deus incrementum dedit; itaque neque qui plantat est aliquid neque qui rigat, sed qui incrementum dat deus; nec radix eorum erat ipse, sed ille potius qui ait: ego sum uitis, uos estis sarmenta. caput etiam eorum quomodo esse poterat, cum dicat nos multos unum esse corpus in Christo ipsumque Christum caput esse uniuersi corporis pluribus locis apertissime praedicet? quapropter siue a fideli siue a perfido dispensatore sacramentum baptismi quisque percipiat, spes ei omnis in Christo sit, ne sit maledictus omnis qui spem suam ponit in homine.

For what I have just said is set out most plainly in that very letter of mine against which he said nothing in writing; and see, I beg, what he did there, and, though you favour him and hate us, bear it with an even mind, if you can. For since in his former letter, to whose first parts, which alone had then come into our hands, I had first answered, he had placed the hope of the man to be baptized in the man who baptizes, so as to say, “For everything consists by its origin and root, and if it does not have something as its head, it is nothing”; since, then, Petilian had said this, meaning nothing else to be understood as the origin and root and head of the man to be baptized than the man by whom he was baptized, I added and said: “So we ask, when that faithless baptizer is hidden, if the one he baptizes then receives faith and not guilt, if his baptizer is not then his origin and root and head, who is it from whom he receives faith? Where is the origin from which he springs, where the root from which he grows, where the head from which he begins? Or perhaps, when the one baptized does not know that the baptizer is faithless, is it then Christ who gives faith, then Christ who is the origin, root, and head?” This, then, I say and cry out now too, as I cried out there: “O human rashness and pride! Why do you not rather allow that Christ always gives faith, making a Christian by giving it? Why do you not allow that Christ is always the origin of the Christian, that the Christian fixes his root in Christ, that Christ is the Christian's head? For even when spiritual grace is imparted to believers through a holy and faithful minister, it is not the minister himself who justifies, but that one alone of whom it is said that he justifies the ungodly. Nor was the apostle Paul the head and origin of those he had planted, or Apollos the root of those he had watered, rather than he who had given them the growth; for he himself says, ‘I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth; so neither the one who plants is anything, nor the one who waters, but God who gives the growth.’ Nor was he their root, but rather he who said, ‘I am the vine, you are the branches.’ And how could he be their head, when he says that we who are many are one body in Christ, and in many places proclaims most plainly that Christ himself is the head of the whole body? Therefore, whether someone receives the sacrament of baptism from a faithful or a faithless minister, let all his hope be in Christ, so that he may not be cursed as one who puts his hope in man.”

Rom 4:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:7 (quotation, high confidence) · John 15:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 12:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Col 1:18 (allusion, medium confidence) · Jer 17:5 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine quotes his earlier argument (1.6–1.7) that Christ, not the minister, is always the origin, root, and head of the baptized.

  • Quoting 1.6–1.7. Rom 4:5; 1 Cor 3:6–7; John 15:5; Rom 12:5; Col 1:18; Jer 17:5. The editor's round-bracketed words are translated.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; joined words (OCR); stray hyphen; stray mark): baptizandi posuerat, ut. diceret → baptizandi posuerat, ut diceret; Petilianus diierat → Petilianus dixerat; Christus estorigo → Christus est origo; facturus curnon sinis → facturus? cur non sinis; caput?neque → caput? neque; ego sum uiti-s → ego sum uitis.

Topics: Baptism, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.51 (CSEL 52:202–204; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-51). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.52CSEL 52:204–205

Haec ego in epistula priore, cum Petiliano responderem, puto quia et dilucide et ueraciter posui. haec etiam nunc commemoraui, illud insinuans atque commendans, ut omnino spes nostra non sit in homine deumque Christum mundatorem iustificatorem hominum esse credamus credentium in eum qui iustificat impium, ut deputetur fides eorum ad iustitiam, siue ille homo sit sanctus qui ministrat baptismum siue impius et fictus quem fugiat spiritus sanctus. tum deinde subdidi, si aliter esset, quanta consequeretur absurditas, et dixi quod et nunc dico: alioquin si talis quisque in gratia spiritali renascitur, qualis est ille a quo baptizatur, et, cum manifestus est qui baptizat homo bonus, ipse dat fidem, ipse origo et radix caputque nascentis est, cum autem latet perfidus baptizator, tunc quisque a Christo percipit fidem, tunc a Christo ducit originem, tunc in Christo radicatur, tunc Christo capite gloriatur, optandum est ab omnibus qui baptizantur, ut baptizatores perfidos habeant et ignorent eos. quamlibet enim bonos habuerint, Christus est utique incomparabiliter melior, qui tunc erit baptizati caput, si perfidus lateat baptizator. quod si dementissimum est credere — semper enim Christus iustificat impium faciendo ex impio christianum, semper a Christo percipitur fides, semper Christus est origo regeneratorum et caput ecclesiae —, quid habent ponderis illa uerba, quae uani lectores non attendunt quid intus habeant, sed tantum quemadmodum sonent? haec tunc dixi, haec in illa mea epistula scripta sunt.

These things I set down, I think both clearly and truly, in my former letter when I answered Petilian. These I have now recalled too, urging and commending that our hope be not at all in man, and that we believe Christ God to be the cleanser and justifier of men who believe in him who justifies the ungodly, so that their faith may be reckoned as righteousness, whether the man who ministers baptism is holy, or ungodly and a hypocrite whom the Holy Spirit flees. Then I added how great an absurdity would follow if it were otherwise, and said what I say now too: “Otherwise, if each is reborn in spiritual grace such as the one by whom he is baptized, and if, when the man who baptizes is plainly good, he himself gives faith and is himself the origin, root, and head of the one being born, but when the faithless baptizer is hidden, each then receives faith from Christ, then draws his origin from Christ, then is rooted in Christ, then glories in Christ as head, then all who are baptized ought to wish to have faithless baptizers and not to know it. For however good the baptizers they have, Christ is beyond comparison better, and he will be the baptized person's head only if the baptizer is secretly faithless. But if it is utter madness to believe this (for Christ always justifies the ungodly by making a Christian out of the ungodly; faith is always received from Christ; Christ is always the origin of the regenerate and the head of the church), what weight do those words have, whose inner sense empty readers do not attend to, but only how they sound?” This I said then; this is written in that letter of mine.

Rom 4:5 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine quotes his earlier reductio (1.7–1.8): on Petilian's view a secretly faithless baptizer would be preferable.

  • Quoting 1.7–1.8. Rom 4:5; Wis 1:5.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; joined words (OCR)): perfidos beant et → perfidos habeant et; quamlibetenimbonoshabuerint,Christus → quamlibet enim bonos habuerint, Christus.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.52 (CSEL 52:204–205; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-52). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.53CSEL 52:205–206

Deinde paulo post, quoniam ille dixerat: quae cum ita sint, fratres, quae potest esse peruersitas, ut qui suis criminibus reus est alium faciat innocentem, dicente domino Iesu Christo: arbor bona bonos fructus facit, arbor mala malos fructus facit. numquid colligunt de spinis uuas? et iterum: omnis homo bonus de bono thesauro cordis sui profert bona, et omnis homo malus de thesauro cordis sui profert mala, quibus uerbis Petilianus satis apertissime ostendit tamquam arborem accipiendum eum hominem qui baptizat et tamquam fructum eum qui baptizatur, ad hoc ego responderam: si arbor bona bonus baptizator est, ut fructus eius bonus sit ille quem baptizauerit, quisquis ab homine malo, etiam non manifesto, fuerit baptizatus, bonus esse non poterit; de mala quippe arbore exortus est; aliud est enim arbor bona, aliud arbor occulta sed tamen mala. quid aliud his uerbis intellegi uolui nisi quod paulo superius posueram, arborem et fructum eius non eum qui baptizat et eum qui baptizatur, sed hominem arborem, fructum uero eius opus et uitam eius accipi debere, quam semper habet bonam bonus et malam malus, ne illa sequatur absurditas, ut malus sit homo etiam ab occulto malo homine baptizatus, tamquam fructus arboris quamuis occultae, sed tamen malae? Contra quod ille nihil omnino respondit.

Then a little later, since he had said, “Since these things are so, brothers, what perversity can it be that one guilty of his own crimes should make another innocent, when the Lord Jesus Christ says, ‘A good tree bears good fruit, a bad tree bears bad fruit; do they gather grapes from thorns?’ and again, ‘Every good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and every evil man out of the treasure of his heart brings forth evil things’?”, by which words Petilian showed quite plainly that the man who baptizes is to be taken as the tree and the one baptized as the fruit, I had answered this: “If the good tree is the good baptizer, so that his good fruit is the one he has baptized, then whoever has been baptized by a bad man, even one not manifestly bad, cannot be good, since he sprang from a bad tree; for a good tree is one thing, a tree hidden but still bad is another.” What else did I mean to be understood by these words but what I had set down a little earlier: that the tree and its fruit should be taken not as the one who baptizes and the one baptized, but the man as the tree and his work and life as his fruit, which a good man always has good and a bad man bad; so that the absurdity may not follow that a man is bad who has been baptized even by a hidden bad man, as the fruit of a tree, hidden but still bad? To this he answered nothing at all.

Matt 7:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 6:45 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine recalls his answer on the 'good tree' (1.9), to which Petilian made no reply.

  • Quoting 2.12 and 1.9. Matt 7:17, 16; Luke 6:45.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): quae eum ita sint, fratres → quae cum ita sint, fratres.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.53 (CSEL 52:205–206; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-53). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.54CSEL 52:206–207

Sed ne diceret siue ille siue aliquis uestrum, cum quisque occultus malus est qui baptizat, tunc non esse fructum eius illum quem baptizat, sed fructum Christi, continuo subieci, quam uesanus error etiam istam sententiam consequatur, et repetiui illud, licet aliis uerbis, quod paulo ante dixeram: si, cum occulta est arbor mala, quicumque ab illa fuerit baptizatus non de illa, sed de Christo nascitur, sanctius iustificantur qui baptizantur ab occultis malis quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis. Petilianus ergo his tam uehementibus coartatus angustiis tacuit superiora, ex quibus ista pendebant, et haec absurda, quae illius consequuntur errorem, ita commemorauit in responsione sua, quasi haec ego ex mea sententia dixerim, quae ideo dicta sunt, ut attenderet, quantum mali sequeretur eius sententiam, et eam mutare cogeretur. hanc ergo fraudem audientibus uel legentibus faciens et omnino desperans legi posse quae scripsimus coepit in me grauiter et petulanter inuehi, tamquam ego sensissem optandum esse omnibus qui baptizantur, ut baptizatores perfidos habeant et ignorent eos, quoniam, quamlibet bonos habuerint, Christus est incomparabiliter melior, qui tunc erit baptizati caput, si perfidus lateat baptizator; item tamquam ego sensissem sanctius iustificari eos, qui baptizantur ab occultis malis quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis, cum haec mirabilis insania ideo a me commemorata sit, quia illos necessario sequitur, qui cum Petiliano sentiunt sic esse hominem baptizatum ad baptizatorem suum, quemadmodum est fructus ad arborem de qua nascitur, bonus de bona, malus de mala. quibus cum dixerimus ut respondeant, cuius arbitrentur fructum esse hominem baptizatum, quando ab occulto malo baptizatur, quoniam non eum audent rebaptizare, coguntur respondere tunc eum non esse fructum occulti illius mali, sed esse fructum Christi, ac per hoc sequitur eos quod nolunt et quod sentire dementis est, quia, si homo tunc est fructus hominis baptizatoris sui, quando a manifesto bono baptizatur, cum uero baptizatur ab occulto homine malo, tunc non ipsius fructus sed Christi est, sanctius iustificantur qui baptizantur ab occultis malis quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis.

But so that neither he nor any of you might say that, when the one who baptizes is secretly bad, the one he baptizes is then not his fruit but Christ's fruit, I at once added what mad error follows even this view, and repeated, though in other words, what I had said a little before: “If, when the bad tree is hidden, whoever has been baptized by it is born not of it but of Christ, then those baptized by hidden bad men are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men.” Petilian, then, hemmed in by these very severe straits, was silent about the earlier words on which these depended, and he cited these absurdities, which follow from his error, in his answer as if I had said them from my own view, when they were said precisely so that he might notice how much evil follows his view and be forced to change it. So, practising this fraud on hearers or readers, and wholly despairing that what we wrote could be read, he began to inveigh against me heavily and petulantly, as if I had thought that all who are baptized should wish to have faithless baptizers and not know them, because, however good the baptizers they have, Christ is beyond comparison better, who will be the baptized person's head only if the baptizer is secretly faithless; and likewise as if I had thought that those baptized by hidden bad men are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men; whereas this astonishing madness was mentioned by me because it necessarily follows for those who think, with Petilian, that the baptized man is to his baptizer as fruit is to the tree from which it springs, good from good, bad from bad. When we tell them to answer whose fruit they think the baptized man is when he is baptized by a hidden bad man, since they do not dare to rebaptize him, they are forced to answer that he is then not the fruit of that hidden bad man but the fruit of Christ; and so there follows for them what they do not want and what it is madness to think: that if a man is the fruit of his baptizer when he is baptized by a manifestly good man, but when he is baptized by a hidden bad man is then not his fruit but Christ's, then those baptized by hidden bad men are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men.

Notes and citation

Summary: Petilian presented as Augustine's own view the absurd consequence Augustine had drawn from Petilian's premise.

  • See 1.9 and 3.53.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (joined words and stray hyphen (OCR)): fueritbaptizatus non de illa, sed deChristo nascitur,- → fuerit baptizatus non de illa, sed de Christo nascitur,.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.54 (CSEL 52:206–207; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-54). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.55CSEL 52:207–208

Quod cum mihi tribuens Petilianus, tamquam hoc ego senserim, satis in me grauiter ac uehementer inuehitur, ipse utique demonstrat ea ipsa grauissima inuectione sua, quantum nefas sit ista sentire, ac per hoc quidquid propter hanc sententiam in me dixisse uideri uoluit, in se ipsum dixisse inuenitur, qui talia sentire conuincitur. ibi enim ostendit, quanta ui ueritatis superatus sit, ubi alium exitum non inuenit, nisi ut me sensisse fingeret sibi quod ipse sentit. quemadmodum si illi quos apostolus arguit, quia dicebant non esse resurrectionem mortuorum, eundem apostolum accusare uellent, quoniam dixit: neque Christus resurrexit, et inanem esse praedicationem apostolorum, inanem etiam fidem credentium falsosque inueniri testes aduersus deum, qui dixissent quod suscitauerit Christum, hoc mihi Petilianus facere uoluit desperans legi posse quae scripsi, quibus respondere non potuit. et putari se respondisse magnopere concupiuit. sed quemadmodum si quisquam illud fecisset apostolo, recitato uniuerso ipso loco ex eius epistula redditisque superioribus uerbis, ex quibus ista pendere quisquis legit intellegit, omnis illa calumniosa reprehensio in frontem reprehendentium relideretur, sic redditis ex epistula mea superioribus, dum me Petilianus accusat, in eius faciem unde illa remouere conatus est maiore impetu retorquentur.

When Petilian attributes this to me, as though I had thought it, and inveighs against me heavily and vehemently enough, he himself surely shows by that very heavy invective of his how wicked it is to think such things; and so whatever he wanted to seem to say against me because of this view is found to be said against himself, who is convicted of thinking such things. For there he shows how great a force of truth has overcome him, where he finds no other way out than to pretend that I thought what he himself thinks. Just as if those whom the apostle rebukes, because they said there is no resurrection of the dead, should want to accuse the same apostle because he said, “Neither has Christ risen,” and that the preaching of the apostles is empty, the faith of believers empty too, and that those are found false witnesses against God who said that he raised Christ: this is what Petilian wanted to do to me, despairing that what I wrote, to which he could not answer, could be read; and he greatly desired to be thought to have answered. But just as, if anyone had done that to the apostle, then, with the whole passage read out from his letter and the earlier words restored, on which anyone who reads understands that these depend, all that slanderous criticism would rebound on the critics' foreheads, so, with the earlier words of my letter restored, while Petilian accuses me, they are turned back with greater force into his face, from which he tried to remove them.

1 Cor 15:13 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:14 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:15 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Like those who would accuse Paul of denying Christ's resurrection by quoting his reductio in 1 Cor 15, Petilian distorts Augustine's argument.

  • 1 Cor 15:12–15.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.55 (CSEL 52:207–208; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-55). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.56CSEL 52:208–209

Apostolus enim redarguens eos, qui negabant resurrectionem mortuorum, ista absurditate corrigit quae inuitos sequitur talia sentientes, ut, dum exhorrent quod nefas est dicere, corrigant quod ausi sunt credere. proinde ita dicit: si resurrectio mortuorum non est, neque Christus resurrexit; si autem Christus non resurrexit, inanis est praedicatio nostra, uana est et fides uestra; inuenimur et falsi testes dei, qui testimonium diximus aduersus deum quia suscitauit Christum, quem non suscitauit, ut, dum timent dicere Christum non resurrexisse et cetera mala ac nefaria quae sequuntur, corrigant quod stulte infideliterque dixerunt, non esse resurrectionem mortuorum. si ergo tollas quod in capite ratiocinationis huius (est) positum: si resurrectio mortuorum non est, male cetera dicta sunt et apostolo tribuenda sunt; si autem reddas unde pendent et in exordio constituas: (si) resurrectio mortuorum non est, recte consequentur: neque Christus resurrexit et: inanis est praedicatio nostra, inanis est et fides uestra et cetera quae conexa sunt, et haec omnia ab apostolo bene ac prudenter dicta sunt, quoniam quidquid mali habent illis imputandum est, qui negabant resurrectionem mortuorum. sic etiam in epistula mea tolle quod positum est: si talis quisque in gratia spiritali renascitur, qualis est ille a quo baptizatur, et, cum manifestus est qui baptizat homo bonus, ipse dat fidem, ipse origo et radix caputque nascentis est, cum autem latet perfidus baptizator, tunc quisque a Christo percipit fidem, tunc a Christo ducit originem, tunc in Christo radicatur, tunc Christo capite gloriatur — tolle ista, unde pendet quod sequitur, et ualde pessime dictum mihique tribuendum est: optandum est omnibus qui baptizantur, ut baptizatores perfidos habeant et ignorent eos. quamlibet enim bonos habuerint, Christus est utique incomparabiliter melior, qui tunc erit baptizati caput, si perfidus lateat baptizator. reddantur autem illa quae uos dicitis: tunc iam hoc, quod inde pendet et religatum sequitur, non a me sentiri inuenitur, et quidquid mali habet in uestram sententiam retorquetur. item tolle quod positum est: si arbor bona bonus baptizator est, ut fructus eius bonus sit ille quem baptizauerit, et si, cum occulta est arbor mala, quicumque ab illa fuerit baptizatus non de illa, sed de Christo nascitur — tolle ista, quae cogimini et ex uestra secta et ex Petiliani epistula confiteri, et meum erit ac mihi imputandum illud insanum quod sequitur: sanctius iustificantur qui baptizantur ab occultis malis quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis. redde autem illa ex quibus hoc pendet: continuo uidebis et me hoc ad uos corrigendos recte posuisse et totum, quod uobis in hac sententia merito displicet, in uestram faciem recidisse.

For the apostle, refuting those who denied the resurrection of the dead, corrects them by the absurdity that follows unwillingly for those who think so, so that, shrinking from what is wicked to say, they may correct what they dared to believe. So he says: “If there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ risen; and if Christ has not risen, our preaching is empty, your faith also is vain; we are found also false witnesses of God, because we bore witness against God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise”; so that, while they fear to say that Christ has not risen and the other evil and wicked things that follow, they may correct what they foolishly and faithlessly said, that there is no resurrection of the dead. If, then, you take away what is set at the head of this reasoning, “If there is no resurrection of the dead,” the rest is wrongly said and must be attributed to the apostle; but if you restore what it depends on and put at the beginning, “If there is no resurrection of the dead,” then rightly follow, “Neither has Christ risen,” and, “our preaching is empty, your faith also is empty,” and the rest that is connected; and all these things were said well and prudently by the apostle, since whatever evil they contain must be imputed to those who denied the resurrection of the dead. So too in my letter, take away what is set down: “If each is reborn in spiritual grace such as the one by whom he is baptized, and if, when the man who baptizes is plainly good, he himself gives faith and is himself the origin, root, and head of the one being born, but when the faithless baptizer is hidden, each then receives faith from Christ, then draws his origin from Christ, then is rooted in Christ, then glories in Christ as head”: take these away, on which what follows depends, and it is very badly said and must be attributed to me: “All who are baptized ought to wish to have faithless baptizers and not to know it. For however good the baptizers they have, Christ is beyond comparison better, who will be the baptized person's head only if the baptizer is secretly faithless.” But let those things be restored which you say: then what depends on them and follows, tied to them, is found not to be thought by me, and whatever evil it has is turned back on your view. Likewise take away what is set down: “If the good tree is the good baptizer, so that his good fruit is the one he has baptized,” and, “if, when the bad tree is hidden, whoever has been baptized by it is born not of it but of Christ”: take these away, which you are forced to confess both from your sect and from Petilian's letter, and that mad conclusion that follows will be mine and imputable to me: “Those baptized by hidden bad men are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men.” But restore the things on which this depends, and you will at once see both that I put it rightly to correct you, and that all that rightly displeases you in this sentence has fallen back on your own face.

1 Cor 15:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:15 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: A conditional argument from an opponent's premise is the opponent's responsibility, as with Paul's argument in 1 Cor 15; restored to its premises, Augustine's argument condemns the Donatist view.

  • 1 Cor 15:13–15. Quoting 1.7 and 1.9. The editor's round-bracketed words are translated.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.56 (CSEL 52:208–209; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-56). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.57CSEL 52:209–210

Proinde quemadmodum illi, qui resurrectionem mortuorum negabant, nullo modo se defenderent a tantis malis, quae ad eos redarguendos conexuit apostolus dicens: neque Christus resurrexit et nefanda similiter cetera, nisi mutarent sententiam et faterentur esse resurrectionem mortuorum, sic etiam uos, si non uultis uobis imputari quod ad uos conuincendos et corrigendos dicimus, sanctius iustificari eos qui baptizantur ab occultis malis quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis, mutate sententiam et eorum spem qui baptizantur nolite in homine ponere. nam si ponitis, uidete quid dicam, ne hoc aliquis iterum supprimat et dicat me sensisse, quod ad uos redarguendos corrigendosque commemoro. uidete quid dicam, unde pendeat quod dicturus sum: si eorum spem qui baptizandi sunt in homine a quo baptizantur ponitis, si baptizatorem hominem, sicut scripsit Petilianus, originem et radicem et caput eius qui baptizatur constituitis, si arborem bonam bonum hominem baptizantem, fructum autem eius bonum eum qui fuerit ab ipso baptizatus accipitis, admonetis ut quaeramus a uobis, qua origine oriatur, qua radice pullulet, cui capiti subnectatur, de qua arbore nascatur quem malus baptizat occultus. ad hanc quippe inquisitionem pertinet etiam illud, cui non respondisse Petilianum saepissime commendaui, unde abluatur qui accipit baptismum, cum maculosam conscientiam non sancte dantis ignorat. hanc enim conscientiam dantis uel sancte dantis uult esse originem radicem caput semen arborem, unde existat, unde propagetur, unde incipiat, unde germinet, unde nascatur sanctificatio baptizati.

So, just as those who denied the resurrection of the dead could in no way defend themselves from the great evils which the apostle linked together to refute them, saying, “Neither has Christ risen,” and the other things likewise wicked, unless they changed their view and confessed that there is a resurrection of the dead; so you too, if you do not want imputed to you what we say to convict and correct you, that those baptized by hidden bad men are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men, change your view and do not place the hope of those who are baptized in man. For if you do place it, see what I say (so that no one may again suppress this and say that I thought what I mention to refute and correct you); see what I say, on what what I am about to say depends: if you place the hope of those to be baptized in the man by whom they are baptized; if you make the baptizing man, as Petilian wrote, the origin and root and head of the one baptized; if you take the good tree as the good man baptizing and his good fruit as the one baptized by him; then you prompt us to ask you from what origin he springs, from what root he sprouts, to what head he is attached, from what tree he is born, whom a hidden bad man baptizes. To this inquiry belongs also that question to which I have very often pointed out that Petilian did not answer: from what source is the one cleansed who receives baptism, when he does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness? For he wants this conscience of the giver, or of one who gives in holiness, to be the origin, root, head, seed, tree from which the sanctification of the baptized arises, spreads, begins, sprouts, is born.

1 Cor 15:13 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: To escape the absurd consequence, the Donatists must stop placing the hope of the baptized in the baptizer.

  • 1 Cor 15:13.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.57 (CSEL 52:209–210; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-57). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.58CSEL 52:210–211

Cum ergo quaerimus, unde ablutus sit quem in uestra communione non rebaptizatis, etiam cum eum constiterit ab aliquo baptizatum, qui propter occultam nequitiam iam sancte dantis conscientiam non habebat, quid responsuri estis nisi a Christo aut a deo, quamuis et Christus deus super omnia sit benedictus in saecula, aut ab spiritu sancto, cum et ipse sit deus, quia haec trinitas unitas deus? unde Petrus cum dixisset homini: ausus es mentiri spiritui sancto, continuo secutus adiunxit, quid esset spiritus sanctus, et ait: non es mentitus hominibus, sed deo. postremo etiamsi dicatis eum ab angelo ablui atque mundari, quando pollutam conscientiam non sancte dantis ignorat, uidete quia sancti homines cum in aeternam uitam resurrexerint, tunc de illis dictum est quod erunt aequales angelis dei. quisquis ergo et ab angelo abluitur, melius abluitur quam si abluatur ab hominis qualicumque conscientia. cur ergo non uultis ut dicatur uobis: (si tunc abluit homo, quando manifestus bonus est, cum autem occultus homo malus est, quoniam non habet conscientiam sancte dantis, non iam ipse, sed deus aut angelus abluit, sanctius iustificantur qui baptizantur ab occultis malis quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis? quae sententia si uobis displicet, quoniam re uera displicere omnibus debet, illa tollite unde nascitur, illa corrigite unde religatur; illa enim non praecedant et ista non sequitur.

So when we ask from what source the person was cleansed whom you do not rebaptize in your communion, even when it is shown that he was baptized by someone who, because of hidden wickedness, no longer had the conscience of one who gives in holiness, what will you answer but, “By Christ,” or, “By God” (though Christ too is God over all, blessed forever), or, “By the Holy Spirit,” since he too is God, because this Trinity is one God? Hence when Peter had said to a man, “You dared to lie to the Holy Spirit,” he went on at once to add what the Holy Spirit is, and said, “You have not lied to men but to God.” Finally, even if you say that he is cleansed and purified by an angel when he does not know the polluted conscience of one not giving in holiness, see that it was said of holy men that, when they rise to eternal life, they will then be equal to the angels of God. So whoever is cleansed even by an angel is cleansed better than if he were cleansed by any man's conscience. Why, then, do you not want it said to you: if a man cleanses when he is manifestly good, but when he is a hidden bad man, since he has not the conscience of one who gives in holiness, then no longer he but God or an angel cleanses, then those baptized by hidden bad men are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men? If this sentence displeases you, as truly it ought to displease everyone, remove the things from which it springs, correct the things to which it is tied; for if those do not come first, this does not follow.

Rom 9:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 5:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 5:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 20:36 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: If God or an angel cleanses when the minister is secretly bad, those so baptized are better off; the only escape is to deny that the minister cleanses at all.

  • Rom 9:5; Acts 5:3–4; Luke 20:36 (Matt 22:30). Augustine affirms the Trinity as one God.

Topics: Baptism, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.58 (CSEL 52:210–211; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-58). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.59CSEL 52:211–212

Nolite itaque dicere: conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, ne dicatur uobis: quando latet dantis polluta conscientia, quis abluit accipientis conscientiam?, et cum responderitis: uel deus uel angelus, quoniam quid respondeatis aliud non habetis, sequatur uos unde confundamini: (sanctius iustificantur qui baptizantur ab occultis malis, ut uel a deo uel ab angelo abluantur, quam qui baptizantur a manifestis bonis, qui deo uel angelis non comparantur. sed dicite quod dicit ueritas et catholica ecclesia, quia non solum cum malus minister est baptismi, uerum etiam cum sanctus et bonus est, non est in homine spes ponenda, sed in illo qui iustificat impium, in quem credentibus fides ad iustitiam deputatur. cum enim dicimus: Christus baptizat, non uisibili ministerio dicimus, sicut putat uel putari cupit nos dicere Petilianus, sed occulta gratia, occulta potentia in spiritu sancto, sicut de illo dictum est a Iohanne Baptista: hic est qui baptizat in spiritu sancto. nec, sicut Petilianus dicit, iam baptizare cessauit, sed adhuc id agit non ministerio corporis, sed inuisibili opere maiestatis. quod enim dicimus: ipse baptizat, non dicimus: ipse tenet et in aqua corpus credentium tinguit, sed: ipse inuisibiliter mundat, et hoc uniuersam prorsus ecclesiam. neque enim apostolo Paulo non est credendum, qui de illo dixit: uiri, diligite uxores uestras, sicut et Christus dilexit ecclesiam et se ipsum tradidit pro ea, ut eam sanctificaret mundans eam lauacro aquae in uerbo. ecce quia Christus sanctificat, ecce quia Christus etiam ipso lauacro aquae in uerbo, ubi ministri corporaliter uidentur operari, ipse abluit, ipse mundat. nemo ergo sibi arroget quod dei est. sic est certa spes hominum, cum in illo figitur qui fallere non potest, quoniam maledictus omnis qui spem suam ponit in homine et beatus cuius est dominus deus spes ipsius. nam dispensator fidelis mercedem accipiet uitam aeternam, dispensator autem infidelis, cum cibaria dominica distribuit conseruis, absit ut per suam infidelitatem cibaria inutilia faciat. quoniam quae dicunt, inquit, facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. quod ideo contra malos dispensatores praeceptum est, ut bona dei per ipsos accipiantur, mala autem ipsorum uita ex dissimilitudine caueatur.

So do not say, “The conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver,” so that it may not be said to you, “When the giver's polluted conscience is hidden, who cleanses the receiver's conscience?” and, when you answer, “Either God or an angel,” since you have nothing else to answer, there may follow what confounds you: “Those baptized by hidden bad men, so as to be cleansed by God or an angel, are justified in a holier way than those baptized by manifestly good men, who are not comparable with God or angels.” But say what the truth and the Catholic Church say: that not only when the minister of baptism is bad, but also when he is holy and good, hope is not to be placed in man, but in him who justifies the ungodly, in whom those who believe have their faith reckoned as righteousness. For when we say, “Christ baptizes,” we do not mean by a visible ministry, as Petilian thinks or wants it thought that we say, but by hidden grace, hidden power in the Holy Spirit, as John the Baptist said of him, “This is he who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.” Nor, as Petilian says, has he now ceased to baptize; he still does it, not by the ministry of the body but by the invisible work of his majesty. For when we say, “He himself baptizes,” we do not say, “He himself holds and dips the bodies of believers in the water,” but, “He himself invisibly cleanses,” and this the whole church without exception. For one must believe the apostle Paul, who said of him, “Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of water in the word.” See that Christ sanctifies; see that Christ, even in that very washing of water in the word, where ministers are seen to work bodily, himself washes, himself cleanses. So let no one claim for himself what is God's. Thus the hope of men is sure when it is fixed in him who cannot deceive, since “cursed is everyone who puts his hope in man” and “blessed is he whose hope is the Lord God.” For the faithful steward will receive eternal life as reward; but the unfaithful steward, when he distributes the Lord's provisions to his fellow servants, God forbid that by his unfaithfulness he should make the provisions useless. For “do what they say,” he says, “but do not do what they do.” This was commanded about bad stewards precisely so that God's good things might be received through them, and their bad life avoided by being unlike it.

Rom 4:5 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:33 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 17:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 17:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 12:42 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 23:3 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Hope belongs in God who justifies; Christ baptizes not by bodily ministry but by invisible grace, cleansing the whole church through the washing of water in the word.

  • Rom 4:5; John 1:33; Eph 5:25–26; Jer 17:5, 7; Luke 12:42–46; Matt 23:3.

Topics: Baptism, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.59 (CSEL 52:211–212; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-59). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.60CSEL 52:212–213

Si autem ad ista prima uerba epistulae meae Petilianum non respondisse manifestum est et, ubi respondere conatus est, magis ostendit quod non potuerit respondere, quid de illis partibus meorum scriptorum loquar, quibus nec respondere temptauit, quae omnino non attigit? quae tamen qualia sint si recensere quisque uoluerit, qui et mea et ipsius habet scripta, puto quod intellegat quanta firmitate roborata sint. quod ut uobis breuiter ostendam, ipsa testimonia de scripturis sanctis prolata recolite uel legendo recensete, quae posuit uelut aduersus nos et in mea responsione quae posui etiam ego aduersus uos, et uidete quemadmodum ego illa quae ipse posuit ostendi non nobis, sed potius uobis esse contraria. ipse autem illa quae posui maxime necessaria omnino non attigit et in illo uno apostoli, quod tamquam pro se pertractare conatus est, uidebitis quam nullum exitum inuenerit.

But if it is clear that Petilian did not answer these first words of my letter, and that where he tried to answer he rather showed that he could not answer, what shall I say of those parts of my writings which he did not even try to answer, which he did not touch at all? Yet if anyone who has both my writings and his cares to review them, I think he will understand with what firmness they are strengthened. To show you this briefly, recall or review by reading the very testimonies brought forward from the holy Scriptures which he set down as if against us, and those which I too set down in my answer against you; and see how I showed that those he set down are not against us but rather against you, while he did not touch at all those most necessary ones which I set down; and in that one text of the apostle which he tried to handle as if for himself, you will see how he found no way out.

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Summary: Petilian ignored most of Augustine's scriptural arguments.

Topics: Scripture and canon, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.60 (CSEL 52:212–213; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-60). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.61CSEL 52:213–214

Pars quippe epistulae quam scripsit ad suos a capite usque ad eum locum, ubi dicit: hoc nobis dominus imperat: cum uos persecuti fuerint homines in ciuitate ista, fugite in aliam; quodsi et in ea uos persequuntur, fugite in aliam, primum uenit in manus nostras; huic respondimus. quae nostra responsio cum etiam in illius uenisset manus, scripsit hanc contra quam nunc refellimus et eum nostrae non respondisse monstramus. in illa ergo prima parte scriptorum eius, quibus primum respondimus, haec sunt testimonia scripturarum, quae nobis putauit aduersa: arbor bona bonos fructus facit, et arbor mala malos fructus facit. numquid colligunt de spinis uuas, et iterum: omnis homo bonus de thesauro cordis sui profert bona, et omnis homo malus de thesauro cordis sui profert mala, et iterum: qui baptizatur a mortuo non ei prodest lauatio eius, his testimoniis nolens ostendere talem fieri eum qui baptizatur, qualis fuerit a quo baptizatur. ego contra quemadmodum accipienda essent haec testimonia et quod eius intentionem nihil adiuuarent ostendi. cetera uero quae posuit dicta in malos et sceleratos homines non esse aduersus frumenta dominica, sicut praedicta et promissa sunt, toto orbe diffusa, et potius a nobis contra uos posse dici satis edocui. recensete et inuenietis.

For the part of the letter which he wrote to his people, from the beginning to the place where he says, “The Lord commands us this: When men persecute you in this city, flee to another; and if they persecute you in that, flee to another,” came into our hands first; to this we answered. When this answer of ours had come into his hands too, he wrote this letter which we are now refuting, and we show that he did not answer ours. In that first part of his writings, then, which we answered first, these are the testimonies of Scripture which he thought were against us: “A good tree bears good fruit, and a bad tree bears bad fruit; do they gather grapes from thorns?”, and again, “Every good man out of the treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and every evil man out of the treasure of his heart brings forth evil things,” and again, “He who is baptized by a dead man, his washing does not profit him”; by these testimonies wanting to show that the one baptized becomes such as the one by whom he was baptized. I, on the other hand, showed how these testimonies should be taken and that they did not help his purpose at all. As for the other things he set down, said against wicked and criminal men, I showed sufficiently that they are not against the Lord's grain, spread through the whole world as was foretold and promised, and that they could rather be said by us against you. Review it and you will find it.

Matt 10:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 6:45 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine recalls how he answered the texts Petilian had cited in the first part of his letter.

  • Matt 10:23; Matt 7:17, 16; Luke 6:45; Sir 34:25.

Extrabiblical texts: Sir 34:25 (Sirach [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Topics: Baptism, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.61 (CSEL 52:213–214; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-61). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.62CSEL 52:214–215

At uero ego quae posui pro ecclesiae catholicae assertione ista sunt: quod ad baptismum attinet, ne id, quod gratia dei regeneramur mundamur iustificamur, danti homini tribuatur: bonum est confidere in domino quam confidere in homine, et: maledictus omnis qui spem suam ponit in homine, et quia domini est salus et uana salus hominis et quia neque qui plantat est aliquid neque qui rigat, sed qui incrementum dat deus et quia ille in quem creditur iustificat impium, ut deputetur fides eius ad iustitiam. propter ipsius uero ecclesiae unitatem, quae in omnibus gentibus dilatatur, cui uos non communicatis, haec testimonia posui de Christo esse praedicta, quia dominabitur a mari usque ad mare et a flumine usque ad terminos orbis terrae, et: dabo tibi gentes hereditatem tuam et possessionem tuam terminos terrae, et quod testamentum dei factum ad Abraham pro nostra, hoc est catholica communione, recitetur, ubi scriptum est: in semine tuo benedicentur omnes gentes, quod semen interpretatur apostolus dicens: et semini tuo quod est Christus. unde apparet in Christo non solum Afros aut Africam, sed omnes gentes habituras benedictionem, per quas catholica dilatatur ecclesia, tanto ante promissum. et quod palea cum frumentis sit usque ad ultimam uentilationem, ne quisquam per calumnias criminum alienorum sacrilegium suae separationis excuset, quod reliquerit et deseruerit omnium gentium communionem, et ne propter malos dispensatores, hoc est praepositos, societas christiana diuidatur, etiam illud testimonium posui: quae dicunt facite, quae autem faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt. haec ille testimonia de scripturis sanctis a me posita nec ostendit quemadmodum aliter accipi deberent, ut non ea pro nobis neque contra uos esse ostenderet, nec omnino attingere uoluit, immo id egit tumultu conuiciorum suorum, ut, si fieri posset, haec a me dicta nulli omnino ueniret in mentem, qui post epistulam meam lectam etiam ipsius legere uoluisset.

But what I set down for the assertion of the Catholic Church is this. As regards baptism, so that what we are regenerated, cleansed, and justified by God's grace may not be attributed to the man who gives it: “It is better to trust in the Lord than to trust in man,” and, “Cursed is everyone who puts his hope in man,” and that “salvation belongs to the Lord” and “vain is the salvation of man,” and that “neither he who plants is anything nor he who waters, but God who gives the growth,” and that he in whom one believes “justifies the ungodly, so that his faith is reckoned as righteousness.” For the unity of the church itself, which is spread among all nations, with which you are not in communion, I set down these testimonies foretold of Christ: that “he shall rule from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth,” and, “I will give you the nations as your inheritance and the ends of the earth as your possession”; and that God's testament made to Abraham should be read for our, that is, the Catholic, communion, where it is written, “In your seed all nations will be blessed,” which seed the apostle interprets, saying, “And to your seed, which is Christ.” From this it appears that not only Africans or Africa, but all nations, will have the blessing in Christ, through which the Catholic Church is spread, promised so long before. And that chaff is with the grain until the last winnowing, so that no one may excuse the sacrilege of his separation, by slanders about others' crimes, for having left and deserted the communion of all nations; and so that Christian fellowship may not be divided because of bad stewards, that is, leaders, I also set down that testimony: “Do what they say, but do not do what they do; for they say and do not do.” These testimonies from the holy Scriptures set down by me he neither showed should be taken otherwise, so as to show that they are not for us or against you, nor would he touch them at all; rather he worked, by the tumult of his abuse, that, if possible, these things I said should come to the mind of no one who wished to read his letter after reading mine.

Ps 118:8 (117:8 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Jer 17:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 3:8 (3:9 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 60:11 (59:13 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 72:8 (71:8 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 22:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 3:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 23:3 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine lists the scriptural testimonies he gave for the church, which Petilian never addressed.

  • Ps 118:8 (117:8 LXX); Jer 17:5; Ps 3:8 (3:9 LXX); Ps 60:11 (59:13 LXX); 1 Cor 3:7; Rom 4:5; Ps 72:8 (71:8 LXX); Ps 2:8; Gen 22:18; Gal 3:16; Matt 3:12; Matt 23:3.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.62 (CSEL 52:214–215; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-62). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).