Against the Letters of Petilian 3.31–3.47

Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra litteras Petiliani (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).

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Chapter 3

3.31CSEL 52:185–186

Sed quid ista requirimus, quid et patimur superfluas moras et facimus? numquid hinc inuenturi sumus, unde sit accipientis abluenda conscientia qui maculosam dantis ignorat, fidemque unde percipiat qui nesciens baptizatur a perfido? quod sibi Petilianus cum ex epistula mea tamquam ad respondendum proposuisset, quidquid uoluit aliud locutus eat quam id quod causa poscebat. quotiens dixit: si ignorares, quasi ego dixerim quod numquam dixi, mei baptizatoris me ignorasse conscientiam, et aliud nihil egisse uisus est ore maledico, quam ut me mala eorum, apud quos baptizatus et quorum communioni sociatus sum, non ignorasse conuincere uideretur, satis utique intellegens, quia ignorantia me non faceret reum! ecce ergo si ignorarem, sicut totiens repetiuit, procul dubio ab eis omnibus malis innocens essem. unde ergo abluerer, qui conscientiam non sancte dantis ignorans criminibus eius impediri minime possem, unde perciperem fidem, qui nesciens a perfido baptizarer? non enim frustra si ignorares totiens repetiuit, nisi ne me putari sineret innocentem, procul dubio indicans quod nullius innocentia uiolatur, si nesciens fidem sumit a perfido et maculosam conscientiam non sancte dantis ignorat. dicat ergo unde tales abluantur, unde fidem percipiant, non reatum. sed non uos fallat: dicat, non multa dicendo nil dicat aut nil dicendo potius multa dicat. deinde, quod in mentem uenit et praetereundum non est. si ego propterea reus sum, quia non ignoraui, ut secundum ipsum loquar, ideo autem non ignoraui, quia et Afer sum et aetate paene iam senex, saltem pueri ceterarum toto orbe terrarum non sint rei, qui nec gente nec aetate ista uestra obiecta seu uera seu falsa nosse potuerunt, qui tamen, si in uos inciderint, sine ullo respectu rebaptizantur.

But why do we inquire into these things, why do we both suffer and cause superfluous delays? Are we going to find from this from what source the conscience of a receiver is to be cleansed who does not know the giver's to be stained, and from what source he receives faith who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man? When Petilian had set this out from my letter as if to answer it, he said whatever else he wanted rather than what the case required. How often he said, “If you did not know,” as if I had said what I never said, that I did not know my baptizer's conscience; and he seemed to do nothing else with his cursing mouth than to appear to convict me of not being ignorant of the evils of those among whom I was baptized and to whose communion I was joined, understanding well enough, surely, that ignorance would not make me guilty! See, then: if I were ignorant, as he so often repeated, I would beyond doubt be innocent of all those evils. From what source, then, would I be cleansed, who, not knowing the conscience of one who did not give in holiness, could not in the least be hindered by his crimes; from what source would I receive faith, unknowingly baptized by a faithless man? For not in vain did he so often repeat, “If you did not know,” except so as not to let me be thought innocent; beyond doubt showing that no one's innocence is violated if he unknowingly receives faith from a faithless man and does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness. So let him say from what source such people are cleansed, from what source they receive faith, not guilt. But do not let him deceive you: let him say it, not say nothing by saying much, or rather say much by saying nothing. Next, what comes to mind and must not be passed over: if I am guilty because I was not ignorant, to speak in his terms, and I was not ignorant because I am an African and already almost an old man, at least let the children of the other churches throughout the world not be guilty, who neither by nation nor by age could know these things you charge, true or false; who nevertheless, if they fall into your hands, are rebaptized without any regard.

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Summary: Petilian's insistence that Augustine could not be ignorant concedes that ignorance excuses; yet the question of the source of cleansing remains, and the Donatists rebaptize even those who could not have known anything.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.31 (CSEL 52:185–186; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.32CSEL 52:186–188

Sed nunc ista non quaerimus. illud potius respondeat, quod ne respondere cogatur copiosissime alienatur, unde abluatur accipientis conscientia qui maculosam dantis ignorat, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, et unde percipit fidem qui nesciens baptizatur a perfido, si quisquis fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum. omissis ergo eius maledictis, quae in me sine ulla sana consideratione iactauit, adhuc attendamus, ne forte hoc quod exposcimus in consequentibus dicat. libet autem intueri quam garrulus ea proposuerit, quasi facillime conuulsurus et euersurus: sed ad illud, inquit, tui phantasmatis argumentum, quo quemcumque baptistam uerbis tibi pingere uisus es, redeamus. imaginari enim te ueri similia decuit, qui non uides ueritatem. haec uerba sua prolocutus est Petilianus uerba mea propositurus, deinde subiunxit: ecce, inquis, stat perfidus baptixaturus, at ille qui baptizandus est perfidiam eius ignorat. non totam dixit propositionem atque interrogationem meam et mox ipse interrogare me coepit dicens: quia est iste aut unde prosiluit quem proponis? cur tibi uideris uidere quem simulas, ne uideas eum quem uidere ac discutere diligentissime debeas et probare? sed quia intellego te ignorare ordinem sacramenti, hoc tibi breuiter dico: et tu baptistam discutere et ab eo discuti debuisti. quid est quod expectabamus? ut diceret, unde abluatur accipientis conscientia qui maculosam non sancte dantis ignorat et unde fidem, non reatum percipiat qui baptismum nesciens a perfido sumpserit. ecce audiuimus baptistam debere diligentissime discuti ab eo qui uult fidem percipere, non reatum, ut inueniat conscientiam sancte dantis quae abluat accipientis. nam qui non discusserit et nesciens a perfido acceperit, eo ipso, quod non discussit maculosamque dantis ignorauit conscientiam, non fuit unde fidem perciperet, sed reatum. quid ergo adiuuit quod pro magno addidit sciens, quod me subtraxisse calumniatus est? cum enim noluit ita dici: (qui fidem a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum, uidetur aliquam spem reliquisse nescienti. nunc uero cum interrogatur, unde percipiat fidem qui nesciens baptizatur a perfido, respondet eum discutere debuisse baptistam; procul dubio miserum nec ignorare permittit non inueniendo unde fidem possit accipere, nisi spem suam in homine baptizante posuerit.

But we are not now inquiring into these things. Let him rather answer what, so as not to be compelled to answer it, he departs from so copiously: from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed who does not know the giver's to be stained, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver; and from what source he receives faith who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man, if whoever knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt. So, leaving aside his curses, which he threw at me without any sound consideration, let us still attend, in case he says what we demand in what follows. It is pleasant to see how garrulously he set out my words, as if he would most easily tear them down and overturn them: “But let us return,” he says, “to that argument of your phantasm, by which you seemed to paint for yourself in words some baptizer or other. For it befitted you to imagine likenesses of truth, who do not see the truth.” Petilian spoke these words of his before setting out my words, then added: “‘See,’ you say, ‘a faithless man stands ready to baptize, and the one to be baptized does not know his faithlessness.’” He did not state my whole proposition and question, and at once he himself began to question me, saying: “Who is this man, or where did he spring from, whom you put forward? Why do you seem to yourself to see the one you feign, so as not to see the one you ought to see, examine most carefully, and approve? But since I understand that you are ignorant of the order of the sacrament, I tell you this briefly: you ought both to have examined the baptizer and to have been examined by him.” What were we waiting for? That he should say from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed who does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness, and from what source he receives faith, not guilt, who has unknowingly received baptism from a faithless man. See, we have heard that the baptizer must be examined most carefully by one who wants to receive faith, not guilt, so that he may find the conscience of one who gives in holiness to cleanse that of the receiver. For one who did not examine, and received unknowingly from a faithless man, by the very fact that he did not examine and did not know the giver's stained conscience, had no source from which to receive faith, but only guilt. What, then, did it help that he added, as a great thing, “knowingly,” which he slanderously said I took away? When he would not have it said, “He who has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt,” he seemed to leave some hope to the one who did not know. But now, when asked from what source one receives faith who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man, he answers that he ought to have examined the baptizer; so beyond doubt he does not allow the wretch even to be ignorant, finding no source from which he can receive faith unless he has placed his hope in the man who baptizes.

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Summary: Petilian's only answer, that the candidate should examine the baptizer, removes the excuse of ignorance and makes hope depend on the man who baptizes.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.32 (CSEL 52:186–188; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.33CSEL 52:188–189

Hoc est quod exhorremus in uobis, hoc est quod damnat diuina sententia ueracissime ac manifestissime clamans: maledictus omnis qui spem suam ponit in homine. hoc est quod apertissime prohibet sancta humilitas et caritas apostolica clamante Paulo: nemo glorietur in homine. hoc est quod in nos inanium calumniarum et acerrimorum maledictorum crebrescit impetus, ut quasi euerso homine nulla spes remaneat eorum, quibus uerbum dei et sacramentum pro dispensatione nobis credita ministramus. respondemus eis: quo usque apponitis super hominem? respondet eis catholica ueneranda societas: nonne deo subicietur anima mea? ab ipso enim salutare meum; etenim ipse est deus meus, susceptor meus, non emigrabo. nam quae alia causa fuit istis emigrandi de domo dei, nisi quia uasa facta in contumeliam, sine quibus illa usque ad diem iudicii non erit, finxerunt se ferre non posse, cum tamen hoc magis ipsi fuisse et aliis calumniose obiecisse gestis atque conscriptis tunc rebus appareant. de quibus in contumeliam factis, ne propter illa de domo magna, quae magno patri familias una est, perturbatus emigret, dicit dei seruus et bonus fidelis uel fidem in baptismo percepturus quod paulo ante commemoraui: nonne deo subicietur anima mea? deo utique, non homini; ab ipso enim salutare meum, non ab homine. iste autem, ne saltem tunc deo daret abluendum mundandumque hominem, quando maculosa conscientia non sancte dantis occulta est et fidem nesciens quisquis sumit a perfido, hoc, inquit, tibi breuiter dico: et tu baptistam discutere et ab eo discuti debuisti.

This is what we abhor in you; this is what the divine sentence condemns, crying most truly and plainly, “Cursed is everyone who puts his hope in man.” This is what holy humility and apostolic love most openly forbid, as Paul cries, “Let no one glory in man.” This is why the attack of empty slanders and the sharpest curses grows thick against us, as if, with the man overthrown, no hope remained for those to whom we minister God's word and sacrament according to the stewardship entrusted to us. We answer them: “How long will you pile on against a man?” The venerable Catholic fellowship answers them: “Will not my soul be subject to God? For from him is my salvation; for he is my God, my upholder; I shall not move away.” For what other cause did these men have for moving out of God's house than that they pretended they could not bear the vessels made for dishonour, without which that house will not be until the day of judgment; whereas it is rather apparent from the proceedings and records of that time that they themselves were such and slanderously charged others. Concerning these vessels made for dishonour, so that he may not be disturbed by them and move out of the great house, which is one for the great householder, the servant of God and the good believer, or one about to receive faith in baptism, says what I recalled a little before: “Will not my soul be subject to God?” To God, surely, not to man; “for from him is my salvation,” not from man. But this man, so as not to give the man to God to be washed and cleansed even when the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness is hidden and someone unknowingly receives faith from a faithless man, says, “I tell you this briefly: you ought both to have examined the baptizer and to have been examined by him.”

Jer 17:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 62:3 (61:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 62:1 (61:2 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 62:2 (61:3 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:20 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Making salvation depend on examining the baptizer puts hope in man; the faithful soul is subject to God, from whom alone is salvation.

  • Jer 17:5; 1 Cor 3:21; Ps 62:3 (61:4 LXX); Ps 62:1–2 (61:2–3 LXX); 2 Tim 2:20.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (split word (OCR)): n onne deo → nonne deo.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.33 (CSEL 52:188–189; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.34CSEL 52:189–190

Obsecro uos, huc aduertite: ego quaero unde abluatur accipientis conscientia, cum maculosam non sancte dantis ignorat, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, et unde accipiat fidem qui nesciens a perfido baptizatur, si quisquis fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum; et ille mihi respondet discutiendum esse et baptizatorem et baptizandum. et ad hoc probandum, unde quaestio nulla est, adhibet exemplum Iohannis, quod eum discusserint, qui ab eo quaesierunt quem se esse diceret, quod ipse quoque discusserit eos quibus ait: generatio uiperarum, quis uobis ostendit fugere ab ira uentura? quid hoc ad rem, quid hoc ad causam? deus Iohanni perhibuerat testimonium excellentissimae sanctitatis prophetia praeclarissima praecedente, et quando conceptus et quando natus est. quaerebant autem illi iam credentes esse sanctum, quemnam se diceret esse sanctorum uel utrum ipse esset sanctus sanctorum, quod est Christus Iesus. tanta quippe gratia illi habebatur, ut continuo crederetur quidquid de se ipse dixisset. si autem hoc exemplo asseritur quilibet nunc discutiendus esse baptista, quidquid de se quisque dixerit credendus erit. quis est autem fictus quem fugit utique, sicut scriptum est, sanctus spiritus, quin de se optime credi uelit atque id agat quibus uerbis potuerit? iam ergo cum fuerit interrogatus, quisnam sit, et responderit se esse dei fidelem dispensatorem nec cuiusquam criminis macula pollutam habere conscientiam, haec erit tota discussio, an etiam mores eius et uita diligentius intuenda est? ita sane. sed non hoc scriptum est fecisse illos, qui Iohannem in deserto Iordanis interrogauerunt quis esset.

I beg you, pay attention here: I ask from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed when he does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver; and from what source he receives faith who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man, if whoever knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt; and he answers me that both the baptizer and the one to be baptized must be examined. And to prove this, about which there is no question, he brings the example of John: that those examined him who asked him whom he claimed to be, and that he also examined those to whom he said, “Brood of vipers, who showed you to flee from the wrath to come?” What has this to do with the matter, with the case? God had borne witness to John's surpassing holiness, with a most glorious prophecy going before, both when he was conceived and when he was born. They, already believing him holy, were asking which of the holy ones he claimed to be, or whether he himself was the Holy One of holy ones, which is Christ Jesus. For such grace was held to be in him that whatever he said of himself would at once be believed. But if by this example it is claimed that any baptizer now must be examined, whatever each says of himself will have to be believed. And who is the hypocrite, whom, as it is written, the Holy Spirit certainly flees, who would not want the best to be believed of himself and work for it with whatever words he could? So when he has been asked who he is and has answered that he is God's faithful steward and has a conscience polluted by the stain of no crime, will that be the whole examination; or must his conduct and life also be looked into more carefully? Certainly so. But it is not written that those who questioned John in the desert of the Jordan as to who he was did this.

John 1:19 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 1:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 1:76 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: John's case does not show that baptizers must be examined; his holiness was attested by God, and a hypocrite's self-description would deceive any such examination.

  • John 1:19–22; Matt 3:7; Luke 1:13–17, 41–44, 67–79; Wis 1:5.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.34 (CSEL 52:189–190; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.35CSEL 52:190

Unde hoc exemplum ad rem de qua agitur omnino non pertinet. magis apostolica illa sententia satis hanc incutit curam, ubi ait: probentur primum, et sic ministrent nullum crimen habentes. quod cum sollicite ac de more utrobique paene ab omnibus fiat, unde tam multi reprobi post tempus gestae dispensationis huius inuenti sunt, nisi quia et humana diligentia plerumque fallitur et nonnulli primum boni in deterius commutantur? quae cum tam crebro accidant, ut dissimulare aut obliuisci neminem sinant, quid est quod contumeliose nos breuiter docet Petilianus a baptizando discutiendum esse baptistam, quoniam quaerimus, unde sit accipientis abluenda conscientia, cum maculosa non sancte dantis occulta est, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis? quia intellego te, inquit, ignorare ordinem sacramenti, hoc tibi breuiter dico: et tu baptistam discutere et ab eo discuti debuisti. o respondere! circumstat eum in tam multis locis tanta hominum multitudo quae baptizata est ab eis, qui cum prius iusti et casti uiderentur, postea nudatis criminibus conuicti atque deiecti sunt, et se putat euadere huius interrogationis uiolentiam, qua quaerimus unde abluatur accipientis conscientia, quando maculosam non sancte dantis ignorat, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, quia breuiter (dicit) discutiendum esse baptistam. nihil infelicius quam non consentire ueritati, qua ita quisque concluditur, ut exitum inuenire non possit. quaerimus a quo accipiat fidem qui nesciens a perfido baptizatur. respondetur: discutere debuit baptizatorem suum. ergo quia non discutit eum et fidem etiam nesciens sumit a perfido, non fidem percipit sed reatum? cur itaque non denuo baptizantur quos a proditis atque conuictis, cum adhuc laterent, baptizatos esse constiterit?

So this example has nothing at all to do with the matter in hand. Rather, that apostolic sentence urges this care sufficiently, where he says, “Let them first be tested, and then let them minister, having no crime.” Since this is done carefully and customarily on both sides by almost everyone, how is it that so many have been found reprobate after the time of their stewardship, except that human diligence is often deceived, and some who were good at first change for the worse? Since these things happen so often that they let no one ignore or forget them, what does Petilian mean by insultingly teaching us briefly that the baptizer must be examined by the one being baptized, when we ask from what source the receiver's conscience is to be cleansed when the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness is hidden, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver? “Since I understand,” he says, “that you are ignorant of the order of the sacrament, I tell you this briefly: you ought both to have examined the baptizer and to have been examined by him.” O what an answer! Around him in so many places stands so great a multitude of people baptized by men who, though they first seemed righteous and chaste, were afterwards convicted and cast down when their crimes were laid bare; and he thinks he escapes the force of this question, in which we ask from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed when he does not know the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, because he says briefly that the baptizer must be examined. Nothing is more unhappy than not to agree with the truth, by which one is so shut in that he cannot find a way out. We ask from whom one receives faith who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man. The answer is: he ought to have examined his baptizer. So, because he does not examine him and receives faith from a faithless man even unknowingly, does he receive not faith but guilt? Why, then, are those not baptized again who are shown to have been baptized by men exposed and convicted, while these still lay hidden?

1 Tim 3:10 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Testing ministers is right, but cannot prevent hidden sinners; Petilian's 'examine the baptizer' leaves those baptized by later-exposed ministers without remedy unless they are rebaptized.

  • 1 Tim 3:10. The editor's round-bracketed “dicit” is translated.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray hyphen; stray letter): debuisti.s o respondere → debuisti. o respondere; esse constiterit?- → esse constiterit?.

Topics: Baptism, Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.35 (CSEL 52:190; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.36CSEL 52:190–192

Et ubi est, inquit, quod addidi (sciens), ut non dicerem: qui fidem a perfido sumpserit, sed: (qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum? percepit ergo fidem, non reatum, qui nesciens sumpsit a perfido, et ideo quaero unde perceperit. ubi coartatus respondet: discutere debuit. esto, debuit. non fecit aut non ualuit. quid de illo censetis ablutus est an non? si ablutus est, quaero unde; non enim eum maculosa non sancte dantis conscientia quam nesciuit abluere potuit. si autem non est ablutus, iubete ut abluatur. non iubetis: ergo ablutus est. dicite unde. dicite saltem uos quod ille non dixit. eadem quippe uerba propono quibus respondere non potuit: ecce stat perfidus baptizaturus, at ille qui baptizandus est perfidiam eius ignorat. quid eum accepturum esse arbitramini, utrum fidem an reatum? sufficiunt huc usque proposita. respondete aut quaerite diligenter quid ille responderit: inuenietis eius conuicta conuicia. culpat enim me quasi deridens, quod ueri similia proponam, qui non uideam ueritatem; repetitis etiam uerbis meis et dimidiata sententia dicis inquit: ecce stat perfidus baptizaturus, at ille qui baptizandus est perfidiam eius ignorat. deinde subiungit: quis est iste aut unde prosiluit? quasi unus sit aut duo et non talibus utrobique plena sint omnia. quid ex me quaerit quisnam sit iste aut unde prosiluit, ac non potius circumspicit et uidet raras esse ecclesias uel in urbibus uel in ruribus. quae non habeant in criminibus detectos et a clericatu deiectos homines? cum laterent bonosque se uideri uellent, cum mali essent, et castos putari, cum essent adulteri, nempe ficti erant, nempe spiritus sanctus eos, sicut scriptum est, fugiebat. ex istorum ergo adhuc latitantium turba prosiluit ille perfidus quem proposui. quid ex me quaerit unde prosiluerit, claudens oculos aduersus tantam turbam, unde si soli considerentur qui conuinci deicique potuerunt, sonitus eorum sufficit caecis?

“And where,” he says, “is the word I added, ‘knowingly,’ so that I did not say, ‘he who has received faith from the faithless,’ but, ‘he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt’?” Then he who received unknowingly from a faithless man received faith, not guilt; and so I ask from what source he received it. Pressed hard there, he answers: “He ought to have examined.” Granted, he ought to have. He did not, or could not. What do you judge of him: was he cleansed or not? If he was cleansed, I ask from what source; for the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness, of which he was ignorant, could not cleanse him. But if he was not cleansed, order him to be cleansed. You do not order it; so he was cleansed. Say from what source. You at least say what he did not say. For I put forward the same words to which he could not answer: “Look, a faithless man stands ready to baptize, and the one to be baptized does not know his faithlessness. What do you think he will receive, faith or guilt?” What has been put forward so far is enough. Answer, or look carefully at what he answered: you will find his abuse refuted. For he blames me, as if mocking, because I put forward likenesses of truth, not seeing the truth; and, repeating my words and halving my sentence, he says: “‘Look,’ you say, ‘a faithless man stands ready to baptize, and the one to be baptized does not know his faithlessness.’” Then he adds: “Who is this, or where did he spring from?” As if there were one or two, and not everything everywhere full of such men! Why does he ask me who this is, or where he sprang from, and not rather look around and see that there are few churches, in cities or in the countryside, that do not have men detected in crimes and cast out of the clergy? When they lay hidden and wanted to seem good though they were bad, and to be thought chaste though they were adulterers, they were certainly hypocrites; certainly, as it is written, the Holy Spirit fled from them. From the crowd of these, then, while still hiding, sprang that faithless man whom I put forward. Why does he ask me where he sprang from, shutting his eyes to so great a crowd, from which, if only those were considered who could be convicted and cast down, the noise of them is enough for the blind?

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Summary: Many ministers everywhere have been exposed after baptizing; Petilian cannot say from what source those they baptized were cleansed.

  • Wis 1:5.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): qu.i fidem a perfido sumpse ritJ → qui fidem a perfido sumpserit; scietis aperfido → sciens a perfido; ergo ablutus eat → ergo ablutus est; baptizandus eat perfidiam → baptizandus est perfidiam; respondete ant quaerite → respondete aut quaerite; deiectes hamines → deiectos homines; eam laterent → cum laterent; eum essent adulteri → cum essent adulteri; ei istorum ergo → ex istorum ergo.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.36 (CSEL 52:190–192; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-36). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.37CSEL 52:192

Quid quod etiam ipse posuit in epistula sua Quoduultdeum de duobus adulteriis apud uos conuictum et abiectum a nostris esse susceptum? quid ergo? sine huius praeiudicio dixerim, qui causam suam bonam uel probauit uel persuasit: tales apud uos nondum detecti cum baptizant, quid ab eis accipitur, fides an reatus? non utique fides, quia non habent conscientiam sancte dantis quae abluat accipientis, sed nec reatus propter illud additum uerbum: nam qui fidem (sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum; ab istis autem cum baptizarentur homines, quales fuissent utique nescierunt. proinde non ab eis accipiendo fidem, quia non habebant conscientiam sancte dantis, non accipiendo etiam reatum, quia non scientes sed nescientes eorum crimina baptizati sunt, sine fide et sine reatu remanserunt. non sunt ergo in numero talium flagitiosorum, sed nec in numero possunt esse fidelium, quia sicut nec reatum ita nec fidem ab eis accipere potuerunt. at eos in numero fidelium a uobis cernimus deputari nec censere quemquam uestrum ut baptizentur, sed ratum habere quod baptizati sunt. acceperunt itaque fidem nec tamen ab eis acceperunt, qui non habebant conscientiam sancte dantis quae ablueret accipientis. unde ergo acceperunt? hinc satago, hoc urgenter interrogo, hoc ut respondeatur uehementissime flagito.

What of the fact that he himself put in his letter that Quodvultdeus, convicted among you of two adulteries and cast out, was received by our people? What then? Let me say it without prejudice to him, who has either proved or persuaded that his cause was good: when such men among you, not yet detected, baptize, what is received from them, faith or guilt? Not faith, certainly, because they do not have the conscience of one who gives in holiness to cleanse that of the receiver; but not guilt either, because of that added word: “For he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt”; and the people who were baptized by them certainly did not know what kind of men they were. So, not receiving faith from them, because they did not have the conscience of one who gives in holiness, and not receiving guilt either, because they were baptized not knowing but ignorant of their crimes, they remained without faith and without guilt. They are not, then, in the number of such scandalous men; but neither can they be in the number of the faithful, because, as they could not receive guilt from them, so they could not receive faith either. Yet we see them counted by you among the faithful, and none of you judging that they should be baptized, but holding valid that they have been baptized. So they received faith, and yet not from those who did not have the conscience of one who gives in holiness to cleanse that of the receiver. From what source, then, did they receive it? This is what I am busy with, this I ask urgently, this I most vehemently demand to be answered.

Notes and citation

Summary: On Petilian's terms, those baptized by undetected Donatist sinners would receive neither faith nor guilt; yet Donatists count them faithful, so from what source did they receive faith?

  • Quodvultdeus was a Donatist cleric deposed for adultery who joined the Catholics; Augustine does not judge his case here. The editor's round-bracketed “sciens” is translated.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): uebementissime → uehementissime.

Topics: Baptism, Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.37 (CSEL 52:192; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-37). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.38CSEL 52:192–194

Inspicite nunc Petilianum, ne hoc respondeat uel ne hoc respondere non potuisse deprehensus appareat, per nostras contumelias inaniter euagari criminantem et nihil probantem et, ubi forte conatur pro causa quasi pugnaciter resistere, ubique facillime superari, ad hoc tamen unum omnino nihil respondere quod quaerimus, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde abluendus sit qui accipiat baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat: his enim uerbis ex epistula mea commemoratis proposuit me interrogantem et se ostendit nihil respondentem. cum enim dixisset ea, quae iam recolui et in quibus eum ostendi ad id quod interrogaui non respondisse, cumque magnis angustiis coartatus coactus esset dicere discutiendum esse baptistam a baptizando, baptizandum a baptista, cumque id exemplo Iohannis, si forte inueniret neglegentissimos uel imperitissimos auditores, adstruere temptauisset, adhibuit alia testimonia de scripturis ad rem non pertinentia, quod Philippo eunuchus dixerit: ecce aqua; quid prohibet me baptixari? — quia sciebat, inquit, perditos prohiberi — et quod ideo Philippus eum baptizari non uetuit, quia eum legentem probauerat quomodo crederet Christum, quasi prohibuerit Simonem magum, et quod prophetae falso baptismate decipi timuerunt et ideo dixerit Esaias: aqua mendax non habens fidem, uelut ostendens apud perfidos homines aquam esse mendacem, cum hoc non Esaias, sed Hieremias de hominibus mendacibus dixerit, figurate aquam populum appellans, quod in Apocalypsi manifestissime demonstratur, et quod Dauid dixerit: oleum peccatoris non ungat caput meum, cum ille hoc dixerit de adulatione assentatoris fallaci laude decipientis, unde laudati caput in superbiam crescat. quem intellectum aperiunt uerba in eodem psalmo praemissa superius; sic enim ait: emendabit me iustus in misericordia et arguet me; oleum autem peccatoris non impinguet caput meum. quid hac sententia clarius, quid euidentius? mauult enim se aspera emendatione iusti argui misericorditer ut sanetur, quam lenibus blanditiis adulantis ungi ne infletur.

Look now at Petilian, how, so as not to answer this, or so as not to appear caught unable to answer it, he wanders emptily through insults against us, accusing and proving nothing; and wherever he perhaps tries to resist pugnaciously, as it were, for his cause, he is most easily beaten everywhere; and yet to this one thing that we ask he answers nothing at all: if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it? For by citing these words from my letter he put me forward as asking, and showed himself answering nothing. For when he had said what I have already recalled, in which I showed that he did not answer what I asked, and when, hard pressed, he had been compelled to say that the baptizer must be examined by the one to be baptized and the one to be baptized by the baptizer, and had tried to build this up from the example of John, in case he found very careless or very unlearned hearers, he brought in other testimonies of Scripture irrelevant to the matter: that the eunuch said to Philip, “Here is water; what prevents me from being baptized?” (“because he knew,” he says, “that the lost are prevented”), and that Philip did not forbid his being baptized because he had tested him while reading as to how he believed in Christ, as if he had forbidden Simon Magus; and that the prophets feared to be deceived by false baptism, and that therefore Isaiah said, “deceitful water that has no faith,” as if showing that among faithless men water is deceitful; whereas not Isaiah but Jeremiah said this of deceitful men, figuratively calling the people water, which is most plainly shown in the Apocalypse; and that David said, “Let not the oil of the sinner anoint my head,” whereas he said this of the flattery of a fawner deceiving with false praise, so that the head of the one praised swells into pride. This meaning is opened by the words set before it in the same psalm, for he says, “The righteous will correct me in mercy and rebuke me; but let not the oil of the sinner fatten my head.” What is clearer, what more evident than this sentence? He would rather be rebuked mercifully by the harsh correction of the righteous so as to be healed, than be anointed by the soft blandishments of a flatterer so as to be puffed up.

Acts 8:36 (quotation, high confidence) · Acts 8:13 (allusion, high confidence) · Jer 15:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rev 17:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Petilian's scriptural proofs (the eunuch, 'deceitful water', 'the oil of the sinner') are misapplied and do not answer the question.

  • Acts 8:36–37; Acts 8:13; Jer 15:18 (which Petilian ascribed to Isaiah); Rev 17:15; Ps 141:5 (140:5 LXX).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (joined words (OCR)): inquit,perditos → inquit, perditos.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.38 (CSEL 52:192–194; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-38). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.39CSEL 52:194

Commemorat Petilianus et apostolum Paulum monuisse, ne omni spiritui credatur, sed probentur spiritus si ex deo sunt, quasi ad hoc adhibeatur ista diligentia, ut nunc ante tempus frumentum a palea separetur, ac non potius ne frumentum a palea decipiatur, aut uero etiam spiritus mendax si aliquid ueri dixerit, ideo negandum est, quia hoc detestandus spiritus dixit. quod quisquis arbitratur, tam demens est, ut forte contendat Petrum non debuisse dicere: tu es Christus filius dei uiui, quia tale aliquid iam daemones dixerant. cum ergo baptismus Christi siue per iniquum siue per iustum ministratus nihil aliud sit quam baptismus Christi. ab homine cauto et bono fideli iniquitas hominis est uitanda, non dei sacramenta damnanda.

Petilian also recalls that the apostle Paul warned that not every spirit should be believed, but that the spirits should be tested whether they are from God; as if this diligence were applied in order that the wheat might now be separated from the chaff before the time, and not rather so that the wheat may not be deceived by the chaff; or as if, when even a lying spirit says something true, it must be denied because a detestable spirit said it. Whoever thinks so is so mad that he might contend that Peter ought not to have said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” because the demons had already said something of the kind. Since, then, the baptism of Christ, whether ministered by the unrighteous or the righteous, is nothing other than the baptism of Christ, a careful man and a good believer must avoid the man's iniquity, not condemn God's sacraments.

1 John 4:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Mark 3:11 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Testing spirits guards against deception, not against the truth even when spoken by the wicked; Christ's baptism is his whoever ministers it.

  • 1 John 4:1 (Petilian ascribes it to Paul); Matt 16:16; Mark 3:11; Luke 4:41.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): daemonet» dixerant → daemones dixerant.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.39 (CSEL 52:194; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.40CSEL 52:194–195

In his certe omnibus non respondet Petilianus, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde sit abluendus qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat. collega eius a Thubursicubure quidam Cyprianus cum turpissima femina in lupanari deprehensus et Primiano Carthaginis oblatus atque damnatus est. iste quando baptizabat, antequam detectus et abiectus esset, non utique habebat conscientiam sancte dantis quae ablueret accipientis. unde igitur abluti sunt, qui hodie illo damnato non utique rursus abluuntur? non erat necesse ut hominem nominarem, nisi ne Petilianus iterum diceret: quis est iste aut unde prosiluit? cur istum baptistam uestri non discusserunt, sicut Iohannes Petiliano ita sentiente discussus est? an et discusserunt, quantum homines hominem potuerunt, sed astuta fictione latitantem diu non inuenerunt? Huiusne aqua non erat mendax aut oleum fornicatoris non est oleum peccatoris? an, quod catholica dicit et uerum est, et illa aqua et illud oleum non eius erat a quo ministrabatur, sed cuius ibi nomen inuocabatur? cur illi, qui ab isto ficto et occulto baptizabantur, non probabant spiritum quia ex deo non erat? sanctus enim spiritus disciplinae fictum fugiebat. an et illum fugiebat et sua sacramenta quamuis per eam ministrata non deserebat? postremo quoniam illos non negatis ablutos, quos illo damnato non curatis abluendos, uidete si tot nebulis multipliciter offusis ullo loco Petilianus respondet, unde isti abluti sint, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, quam latens immundus habere non potuit.

In all these things Petilian certainly does not answer, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source the one who receives baptism is to be cleansed when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it. A colleague of his from Thubursicubure, one Cyprian, was caught in a brothel with a most shameful woman, brought before Primian of Carthage, and condemned. When this man baptized, before he was detected and cast out, he certainly did not have the conscience of one who gives in holiness to cleanse that of the receiver. From what source, then, were those cleansed who today, though he is condemned, are certainly not washed again? There was no need for me to name the man, except so that Petilian might not say again, “Who is this, or where did he spring from?” Why did your people not examine this baptizer, as John was examined, on Petilian's view? Or did they examine him, as far as men could examine a man, and for a long time not find him out, hiding in cunning pretence? Was this man's water not deceitful, or is not a fornicator's oil the oil of a sinner? Or, as the Catholic Church says and is true, was that water and that oil not his by whom it was ministered, but his whose name was invoked there? Why did those who were baptized by this hypocrite in hiding not test his spirit, since it was not from God? For the holy Spirit of discipline was fleeing the hypocrite. Or was he fleeing him and yet not deserting his own sacraments, though ministered through him? Finally, since you do not deny that those were cleansed whom, though he is condemned, you do not trouble to cleanse, see whether in all the fogs he has so variously spread Petilian answers anywhere from what source these were cleansed, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, which a hidden unclean man could not have.

1 John 4:1 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatist Cyprian of Thubursicubure, caught in a brothel, had baptized before exposure; those he baptized are not rebaptized, so their cleansing came from Christ, not him.

  • Wis 1:5. Primian was the Donatist bishop of Carthage.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): oleum fornicatois → oleum fornicatoris.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:5 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.40 (CSEL 52:194–195; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-40). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.41CSEL 52:195

Nihil ergo ad hoc respondens, quod ab eo tam instanter inquiritur, deinceps etiam sibi loquendi latitudinem comparans: cum haec, inquit, et prophetae et apostolus caute timuerint, qua fronte tu dicis, quod bene credentibus sanctum est baptisma peccatoris? quasi ego uel quisquam catholicus peccatoris baptisma esse dicat quod peccatore ministrante traditur uel accipitur, et non illius in cuius credens nomine baptizatur. inde iam excurrit in ludam traditorem et dicit in eum quidquid potest, adhibens testimonia prophetica quae de illo tanto ante praemissa sunt, tamquam ecclesiam Christi toto orbe diffusam, cuius causa in hac quaestione uersatur, Iudae traditoris impietate perfundat, non considerans, quod uel hinc debuit admoneri, tam non esse dubitandum illam esse ecclesiam Christi quae in omnibus gentibus dilatatur, quoniam hoc tanto ante ueraciter prophetatum est, quam non est dubitandum ab uno ex discipulis tradi oportuisse Christum, quoniam et hoc similiter prophetatum est.

So, answering nothing to what is so insistently asked of him, he next gains himself room to talk: “Since both the prophets and the apostle,” he says, “feared these things cautiously, with what face do you say that the baptism of a sinner is holy to those who believe well?” As if I or any Catholic said that baptism is a sinner's which is given or received with a sinner ministering, and not his in whose name the believer is baptized. From there he now runs off to Judas the traitor and says whatever he can against him, bringing in the prophetic testimonies sent before about him so long before, as if he would drench the church of Christ spread through the whole world, whose case is at issue in this question, with the impiety of Judas the traitor; not considering that he ought to have been warned even by this that it is as little to be doubted that the church of Christ is that which is spread among all nations, since this was truly prophesied so long before, as it is to be doubted that Christ had to be betrayed by one of his disciples, since this too was likewise prophesied.

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Summary: Baptism is never 'a sinner's' baptism; and the same prophecies that foretold Judas foretold the worldwide church.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.41 (CSEL 52:195; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-41). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.42CSEL 52:195–197

Sed plane post haec Petilianus, ubi ad nostrum illud uenit obiectum, quod Maximianistarum baptismum quos damnauerant susceperunt, quamuis in huius propositione quaestionis suis uerbis quam meis uti maluerit - neque enim nos dicimus prodesse nobis debere baptismum peccatorum, quem non solum peccatorum, sed nullorum omnino hominum dicimus, quia eum Christi esse cognoscimus; ita quippe proposuit: at enim pertinaciter asseueras, inquit, quia debet uobis prodesse baptismum peccatorum, propterea quia et nos, ut dixisti, reorum quos iuste damnauimus baptismum conseruamus —, ubi ad hanc quaestionem uenit, ut dixi, omnis eum etiam simulata pugna defecit. quo iret, qua exiret, quo aditu perscrutato aut molito uel clanculo euaderet uel ui erumperet, non inuenit. licet hoc, inquit, secundo libro demonstrem, quantum inter nos et nostros intersit et uestros quos dicitis innocentes, tamen interim uos prius a collegarum uestrorum criminibus quae nostis eripite et sic de his quos abicimus exquirite rationem. sic respondeat quis? quisnam hominum sic respondeat, nisi qui ueritati aduersatur, contra quam non inuenit quid respondeat? si ergo et nos eadem uerba dicamus: interim uos prius a collegarum uestrorum criminibus quae nostis eripite et sic nobis de his quos putatis apud nos malos ullum crimen obicite, utrique uicimus an utrique uicti sumus? immo uero ille uincit pro ecclesia sua et in ecclesia sua, qui nos docuit in scriptura sua, ut nemo glorietur in homine et ut qui gloriatur in domino glorietur. ecce enim nos, qui cum ueritatis eloquio dicimus non iustificari credentem ab homine a quo baptizatur, sed ab illo de quo scriptum est: credenti in eum qui iustificat impium deputatur fides ad iustitiam, quoniam non gloriamur in homine nitimurque donante ipso, cum gloriamur, in domino gloriari, quam securi sumus, quidquid de quibusdam nostrae communionis hominibus erroris aut criminis probare potuerit! apud nos enim quicumque mali uel penitus latent uel quibusdam noti propter bonos, quibus ignoti sunt et apud quos conuinci non possunt, propter unitatis et pacis uinculum tolerantur, ne cum zizaniis eradicetur et triticum, ita suae malitiae sarcinam portant, ut eam cum eis nemo communicet, nisi quibus eorum iniquitas placet. neque enim metuimus, ne quos baptizant iustificari non possint, cum illi in eum credant qui iustificat impios, ut deputetur fides eorum ad iustitiam.

But plainly, after this, when Petilian came to that objection of ours, that they received the baptism of the Maximianists whom they had condemned (though in stating this question he preferred to use his own words rather than mine; for we do not say that the baptism of sinners ought to profit us, since we say it is not of sinners, nor of any men at all, because we know it to be Christ's; but he put it thus: “But you stubbornly assert,” he says, “that the baptism of sinners ought to profit you, because we too, as you said, preserve the baptism of the guilty whom we justly condemned”), when, I say, he came to this question, even his feigned fight failed him completely. Where to go, how to get out, by what approach, searched out or built, he might either slip away secretly or break out by force, he did not find. “Although,” he says, “I will show in a second book how great the difference is between us and ours and yours whom you call innocent, still, meanwhile, first rescue yourselves from the crimes of your colleagues which you know, and then ask for an account of those whom we cast out.” Who would answer like this? Who among men would answer like this, but one who opposes the truth and finds nothing to answer against it? If we too say the same words, “Meanwhile, first rescue yourselves from the crimes of your colleagues which you know, and then charge us with any crime of those you think wicked among us,” have we both won or both lost? Rather, he wins for his church and in his church who taught us in his Scripture that no one should glory in man and that whoever glories should glory in the Lord. For see, we who say with the voice of truth that the believer is justified not by the man by whom he is baptized but by him of whom it is written, “To one who believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,” since we do not glory in man but strive, by his gift, when we glory, to glory in the Lord: how secure we are, whatever error or crime he may be able to prove about some men of our communion! For among us all the wicked, whether they lie wholly hidden, or are known to some but tolerated because of the good to whom they are unknown and before whom they cannot be convicted, for the sake of the bond of unity and peace, so that the wheat may not be rooted up with the tares, carry the load of their own malice in such a way that no one shares it with them except those whom their iniquity pleases. For we do not fear that those they baptize cannot be justified, since they believe in him who justifies the ungodly, so that their faith may be reckoned as righteousness.

1 Cor 1:31 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 3:21 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 4:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 4:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 6:5 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Petilian evades the Maximianist question; Catholics, who glory in God not man, are secure whatever is proved against some of their members.

  • Rom 4:5; 1 Cor 1:31; Eph 4:3; Matt 13:29; Gal 6:5.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): pertinaciter asse-lteras → pertinaciter asseueras; collegarum uest? orti?n criminibus → collegarum uestrorum criminibus.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.42 (CSEL 52:195–197; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-42). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.43CSEL 52:197–198

Proinde apud nos nec ille, quem dixit a nobis propter Sodomitarum crimen abiectum et in locum eius alterum constitutum et rursus ipsi nostro collegio redditum nesciens quid loquatur, nec ille, quem apud uos paenitentem fuisse commemorat, quocumque modo eorum causae defendi siue possint siue non possint, aliquid praeiudicant ecclesiae dei, quae per omnes gentes diffunditur et crescit in mundo usque ad messem. in qua si uere mali sunt quos accusatis, non iam in illa, sed in paleis eius sunt, si autem boni sunt, cum eos iniquis criminationibus infamatis, ipsi uelut aurum probantur uobis paleae similitudine ardentibus, alienis tamen peccatis non maculatur ecclesia, quae secundum fidelissimas prophetias toto terrarum orbe dilatata finem saeculi tamquam litus expectat, quo perducta careat piscibus malis, cum quibus intra eadem dominica retia, quamdiu separari ab eis impatienter non debuit, naturae incommoditas ferri potuit innocenter, nec propterea tamen ecclesiastica disciplina neglegitur a constantibus et diligentibus et prudentibus dispensatoribus Christi, ubi crimina ita manifestantur, ut nulla possint probabili ratione defendi. extant innumerabilia documenta in eis, qui uel episcopi uel alterius huiuscemodi gradus clerici fuerunt et nunc degradati uel pudore in alias terras abierunt uel ad uos ipsos aut ad alias haereses transierunt uel in suis regionibus noti sunt. quorum tanta est multitudo dispersa per terras, ut, si eam Petilianus refrenata paululum maledicendi temeritate cogitaret, nequaquam caderet in tam aperte falsam uanamque sententiam, qua dicendum nobis putaret: nemo uestrum est innocens, ubi reus nemo damnatur.

So among us neither the man whom he said was cast out by us for the crime of the Sodomites, with another put in his place, and then restored again to our college (not knowing what he is saying), nor the man whom he mentions as having been a penitent among you, however their cases can or cannot be defended, prejudge anything against the church of God, which is spread through all nations and grows in the world until the harvest. In it, if those you accuse are truly wicked, they are no longer in it but in its chaff; but if they are good, when you defame them with unjust accusations, they themselves are tested like gold while you burn like chaff. Yet the church is not stained by others' sins; spread through the whole world, according to most faithful prophecies, it awaits the end of the age as its shore, where, drawn in, it will be rid of the bad fish, with whom, within the same nets of the Lord, as long as it ought not impatiently to be separated from them, the inconvenience of nature could be borne innocently. Nor is church discipline therefore neglected by Christ's steadfast, diligent, and prudent stewards, where crimes are so manifest that they cannot be defended on any plausible ground. There are innumerable examples in those who were bishops or clergy of some other such rank and now, degraded, have either gone off to other lands out of shame, or passed over to you yourselves or to other heresies, or are known in their own regions. Their number, scattered through the lands, is so great that, if Petilian had curbed his reckless cursing a little and considered it, he would never have fallen into so openly false and empty a sentence as to think he could say to us: “None of you is innocent, where no guilty man is condemned.”

Matt 13:30 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:48 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Alleged sinners among Catholics prejudge nothing against the church; and Catholic discipline does depose clergy, as many degraded men show.

  • Matt 13:30; Wis 3:6 (gold tested); Matt 13:47–48.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark): ferri potuit innocenter., nec → ferri potuit innocenter, nec.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 3:6 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Church office, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.43 (CSEL 52:197–198; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-43). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.44CSEL 52:198

Ut enim alios omittam diuersis terris habitantes — uix enim alicubi deest hoc genus hominum —, quo appareat iniquos praepositos ac ministros et in catholica ecclesia solere damnari, Mileuitanum Honorium de proximo potuit intueri. de Splendonio uero, quem diaconum in catholica damnatum et a se rebaptizatum presbyterum fecit, cuius in Gallia damnationem ad nos a fratribus missam collega noster Fortunatus ibidem apud Constantinam publice legendam proposuit et quem postea idem Petilianus horrendas eius insidias expertus abiecit, de hoc ergo Splendonio quando non potuit commoneri, quemadmodum mali et in catholica degradentur? miror in quo temeritatis praecipitio cor habebat, cum ista dictaret, ubi ausus est dicere: nemo uestrum est innocens, ubi reus nemo damnatur. quamobrem permixti corporaliter, separati spiritaliter in catholica ecclesia mali, et quando humana condicione ignorantur et quando disciplinae consideratione damnantur, suas sarcinas portant, ac per hoc illi securi sunt, si eorum peccatis imitatione et consensione non communicant, quicumque per eos Christi baptismo baptizantur, quia et si per optimos baptizarentur, non nisi ab illo qui iustificat impium iustificarentur. credentibus quippe in eum qui iustificat impium deputatur fides ad iustitiam.

For to leave out others living in various lands (for this kind of man is hardly lacking anywhere), so that it may appear that wicked leaders and ministers are usually condemned in the Catholic Church too, he could have looked close by at Honorius of Milevis. And as for Splendonius, whom, condemned as a deacon in the Catholic Church, he rebaptized and made a presbyter, whose condemnation in Gaul was sent to us by the brothers and publicly posted to be read in Constantina itself by our colleague Fortunatus, and whom afterwards the same Petilian cast out after experiencing his horrible plots: why could not this Splendonius remind him how the wicked are degraded in the Catholic Church too? I wonder over what precipice of rashness his heart was, when he dictated these words and dared to say, “None of you is innocent, where no guilty man is condemned.” Therefore the wicked in the Catholic Church, mixed in bodily but separated spiritually, both when they are unknown by the human condition and when they are condemned in consideration of discipline, carry their own loads; and so those are secure, if they do not share their sins by imitation and consent, who are baptized by them with Christ's baptism; because even if they were baptized by the very best, they would be justified only by him who justifies the ungodly. For to those who believe in him who justifies the ungodly, faith is reckoned as righteousness.

Gal 6:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 4:5 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Catholic discipline condemned Honorius of Milevis and Splendonius, whom Petilian rebaptized and ordained; the faithful are justified by God whoever baptizes them.

  • Honorius of Milevis and Splendonius are otherwise little known; Fortunatus was the Catholic bishop of Constantina. Rom 4:5; Gal 6:5.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (split word and stray numeral): com- 5 moneri → commoneri.

Topics: Church office, Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.44 (CSEL 52:198; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-44). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.45CSEL 52:198–199

Uos autem, cum obiciuntur uobis Maximianistae trecentorum et decem concilii sententia damnati, eodem concilio tot proconsularibus, tot gestis municipalibus allegato oppugnati, de basilicis quas tenebant per iussa iudicum et ciuitatum auxilia proturbati, rursus a uobis cum eis, quos extra communionem uestram baptizauerant, sine ulla baptismi quaestione suscepti et honorati, quid respondeatis non inuenitis. sententia quippe uincimini non uera sed uestra, qua contenditis in eadem communione sacramentorum alios aliorum perire criminibus et talem quemque esse, qualis est homo a quo fuerit baptizatus, si nocens, nocentem, si innocens, innocentem. quae si uera sunt, ut alios innumerabiles omittam, Maximianistarum certe, quorum scelus usque ad illorum similitudinem, quos uiuos terra sorbuit, in tam numeroso concilio uestri exaggerarunt, uos crimina perdiderunt. si autem Maximianistarum crimina uos non perdiderunt, falsa sunt quae ita sentitis et multo minus nescio qua non probata crimina Afrorum orbem terrarum perdere potuerunt. ac per hoc, sicut scribit apostolus, unusquisque suam sarcinam portat et nullius est baptismus Christi nisi Christi et frustra promittit Petilianus ex hoc, quod de Maximianistis intendimus, in secundo libro se esse dicturum, nimis male sentiens de cordibus humanis, quasi non intellegant eum non habere quid dicat.

But you, when the Maximianists are put to you, condemned by the sentence of a council of three hundred and ten, attacked by that same council presented in so many proconsular and municipal proceedings, driven from the basilicas they held by orders of judges and the aid of cities, and received back by you and honoured, together with those whom they had baptized outside your communion, without any question of baptism, you find nothing to answer. For you are defeated by a sentence, not true but your own, by which you contend that in the same communion of sacraments some perish by the crimes of others, and that each is such as the man by whom he was baptized: if guilty, guilty; if innocent, innocent. If these things are true, then, to leave out countless others, the crimes of the Maximianists, whose wickedness your people, in so numerous a council, exaggerated to the likeness of those whom the earth swallowed alive, have certainly destroyed you. But if the crimes of the Maximianists have not destroyed you, what you think is false, and much less could some unproved crimes of Africans destroy the world. And so, as the apostle writes, each carries his own load, and the baptism of Christ is no one's but Christ's; and in vain does Petilian promise that he will speak in a second book about what we press concerning the Maximianists, thinking too badly of men's hearts, as if they did not understand that he has nothing to say.

Num 16:32 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 6:5 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Donatists' reception of the Maximianists, condemned by a council of 310 bishops, refutes their own principle that the guilt of some infects others.

  • The council of Bagai (394) was attended by 310 Donatist bishops. Num 16:31–33; Gal 6:5.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.45 (CSEL 52:198–199; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-45). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.46CSEL 52:199–200

Nam si baptismus, quem Praetextatus et Felicianus in Maximiani communione ministrauerunt, illorum fuit, cur a uobis in eis quos baptizauerunt tamquam Christi susceptus est? si autem uere Christi est, sicuti est, nec eis prodesse posset qui eum cum scelere schismatis habuissent, quid uos potestis dicere praestitisse illis, quos cum eodem baptismo suscepistis, nisi ut per uinculum pacis deleto crimine sceleratae diuisionis non cogerentur sancti lauacri sacramentum accipere quasi non haberent, sed sicut erat antea perniciosum, ita illis iam utile esse inciperet quod haberent? aut si hoc eis in uestra communione praestitum non est, quia nec praestari tale aliquid schismaticis apud schismaticos posset, hoc tamen uobis in catholica communione praestatur, non ut baptismum accipiatis quasi desit uobis, sed ut ipse quem accepistis prosit uobis. omnia quippe sacramenta Christi non ad salutem, sed ad iudicium habentur sine caritate unitatis Christi. sed quia non uera, sed uestra sententia est per nescio quorum baptismum traditorum perisse Christi baptismum de orbe terrarum, merito non inuenitis quid respondeatis de recepto baptismo Maximianistarum.

For if the baptism which Praetextatus and Felicianus ministered in the communion of Maximian was theirs, why was it accepted by you as Christ's in those they baptized? But if it is truly Christ's, as it is, and could not profit those who had it with the crime of schism, what can you say you conferred on those whom you received with that same baptism, except that, the crime of wicked division having been blotted out through the bond of peace, they were not forced to receive the sacrament of the holy washing as if they did not have it, but what they had, which was harmful before, began now to be useful to them? Or if this was not conferred on them in your communion, because nothing of the kind could be conferred on schismatics among schismatics, still this is conferred on you in the Catholic communion: not that you receive baptism as if you lacked it, but that the baptism you received may profit you. For all the sacraments of Christ are held not to salvation but to judgment without the love of Christ's unity. But since it is not a true but your own opinion that Christ's baptism perished from the world through the baptism of some traitors or other, you rightly find nothing to answer about the baptism of the Maximianists that you accepted.

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Summary: Baptism given in schism is Christ's and is not repeated; what reconciliation gives is that it begins to profit, as Catholic unity offers the Donatists.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.46 (CSEL 52:199–200; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-46). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.47CSEL 52:200–201

Uidete itaque et uigilantissime mementote, quemadmodum Petilianus nec ad ea ipsa responderit quae sibi ita proponit, unde aliquid loqui uideatur. illud autem olim dimisit omnino nec nobis dicere uoluit, quia utique non potuit, nec usque ad finem uoluminis sui aliquando dicturus est, quod ex primis partibus epistulae meae quasi refellendum commemorauit. additis quippe etiam duobus uerbis, quae me subtraxisse quasi fortissima sua munimenta iactauit, nihilominus immunitus iacet, non inueniens quid respondeat, cum quaeritur, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde sit eius abluenda conscientia, qui pollutam conscientiam non sancte dantis ignorat, et si qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum, unde fidem accepturus sit, non reatum, qui nesciens baptizatur a perfido. ad hoc eum iam diu ex quo loquitur nihil respondisse manifestum est.

See, then, and remember most vigilantly, how Petilian has not answered even those very things which he puts to himself in such a way as to seem to say something. But that other matter he dropped long ago altogether and would not tell us, because certainly he could not, nor will he ever tell us, to the end of his volume, what he cited from the first parts of my letter as if to refute it. For even with those two words added, which he boasted of as his strongest defences, as if I had taken them away, he lies no less defenceless, finding nothing to answer when asked: if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source is the conscience of one to be cleansed who does not know the polluted conscience of one not giving in holiness; and if he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt, from what source will he receive faith, not guilt, who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man? To this, it is clear, he has answered nothing all this while that he has been speaking.

Notes and citation

Summary: Petilian has never answered the central question.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.47 (CSEL 52:200–201; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-47). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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