Against the Letters of Petilian 3.9–3.30

Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra litteras Petiliani (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).

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Chapter 3

3.9CSEL 52:170–171

Nec tantum uos, quibus in nobis ipsa Christi ueritas placet, quantumcumque per nos et ubicumque praedicatur, et quia eam quantulocumque nostrae linguae ministerio libenter auditis, etiam de nobis bene benigneque sentitis, securi estis, qualescumque nos simus, quia in illo spes uestra est quem uobis ex illius super uos misericordia praedicamus: uerum etiam quicumque nostra dispensatione etiam sacramentum sancti baptismi percepistis, eadem securitate gaudete, quoniam non in nobis, sed in Christo baptizati estis. non itaque nos, sed Christum induistis, nec uos interrogaui utrum ad me conuerteremini, sed ad deum uiuum, nec utrum in me crederetis, sed in patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum. quodsi ueraci animo respondistis, saluos uos fecit non carnis depositio sordium, sed conscientiae bonae interrogatio, non conseruus, sed dominus, non praeco, sed iudex. neque enim uere, sicut Petilianus inconsiderate dixit, conscientia dantis uel quod addidit: conscientia (sancte) dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis. cum enim hoc datur quod dei est, sanctum dat etiam non sancta conscientia. quae certe, siue sit sancta siue non sancta, ab accipiente inspici non potest; sed plane illud quod datur potest, quod cognitum ei qui semper est sanctus, per qualemlibet ministrum accipiatur, securissime accipitur. nisi enim sancta uerba essent ex cathedra Moysi, non diceret ueritas: quae dicunt facite. si autem ipsi qui uerba sancta dabant sancti essent, non diceret: quae faciunt facere nolite. dicunt enim et non faciunt. nullo quippe modo legitur uua de spinis, quia numquam de spinarum radicibus oritur; sed cum se spinosis saepibus palmes uitis implicuit, non ideo fructus qui illic pendet horretur, sed spina cauetur, uua decerpitur.

Not only you whom the very truth of Christ pleases in us, however much and wherever it is preached through us, and who, because you willingly hear it through the ministry of our tongue, however small, think well and kindly of us too, are secure whatever we may be, because your hope is in him whom we preach to you by his mercy upon you; but also all of you who received the sacrament of holy baptism by our ministry, rejoice in the same security, because you were baptized not in us but in Christ. So you put on not us but Christ; and I did not ask you whether you were turning to me but to the living God, nor whether you believed in me but in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. If you answered with a truthful mind, what saved you was not the removal of the dirt of the flesh but the questioning of a good conscience; not a fellow servant but the Lord, not the herald but the judge. For it is not true, as Petilian said inconsiderately, that the conscience of the giver, or, as he added, the conscience of one who gives in holiness, is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver. For when what is God's is given, even an unholy conscience gives something holy. That conscience, whether holy or not, certainly cannot be inspected by the receiver; but plainly what is given can be, and once it is known to belong to him who is always holy, through whatever minister it is received, it is received with the greatest security. For unless the words from the chair of Moses were holy, the Truth would not say, “Do what they say.” But if those who gave the holy words were themselves holy, he would not say, “Do not do what they do; for they say and do not do.” For a grape is in no way gathered from thorns, because it never springs from the roots of thorns; but when the branch of a vine has entangled itself in a thorny hedge, the fruit that hangs there is not therefore shunned; the thorn is avoided, the grape is picked.

Gal 3:27 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Pet 3:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 23:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 7:16 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Those baptized by Augustine are secure whatever he is, because they were baptized into Christ; the sacrament, like the vine's grape in a thorn hedge, is taken from Christ, not from the minister.

  • Gal 3:27; 1 Pet 3:21; Matt 23:2–3; Matt 7:16. The editor's round-bracketed “sancte” is translated (“in holiness”).

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.9 (CSEL 52:170–171; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.10CSEL 52:171–172

Itaque, ut saepe dixi et uehementer inculco, qualescumque nos simus, securi estis qui deum patrem et eius ecclesiam matrem habetis. quamuis enim simul haedi cum ouibus pascantur, non stabunt ad dexteram; quamuis simul palea cum tritico trituretur, non intrabit in horreum; quamuis simul pisces mali cum bonis intra retia dominica natent, non mittentur in uascula. nemo glorietur nec in homine bono, nemo bona dei fugiat nec in homine malo.

So, as I have often said and strongly insist, whatever we may be, you are secure who have God as Father and his church as mother. For though goats are pastured together with sheep, they will not stand on the right; though chaff is threshed together with wheat, it will not enter the barn; though bad fish swim together with good within the Lord's nets, they will not be put into the vessels. Let no one glory even in a good man; let no one flee God's good things even in a bad man.

Matt 25:33 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 13:48 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: The faithful are secure in God and the church whatever their ministers are.

  • Matt 25:32–33; Matt 3:12; Matt 13:48.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.10 (CSEL 52:171–172; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.11CSEL 52:172–173

Haec uobis, christiani catholici fratres carissimi, pro negotio praesenti suffecerint. quae si catholica dilectione retinetis, cum sitis unus grex de uno pastore securus, non nimis curo, quod mihi uel congregali uestro uel certe cani uestro conuiciatur quilibet inimicus, dummodo me magis pro uestra quam pro mea defensione latrare compellat. qua tamen si opus esset ad causam, breuissima facillimaque uterer, totum scilicet uitae meae tempus, antequam perciperem baptismum Christi, quantum ad meas cupiditates erroresque attinet, cum omnibus improbans et detestans, ne in eius temporis defensione meam gloriam quaerere uiderer, non illius qui me per gratiam suam et a me ipso liberauit. unde illam uitam meam cum uituperari audio, quolibet animo id faciat qui hoc facit, non usque adeo sum ingratus ut doleam; quantum quippe ille accusat uitium meum, tantum ego laudo medicum meum. quid ergo iam de illis praeteritis atque abolitis malis meis defendendis laborem, de quibus Petilianus multa quidem falsa dixit, sed plura uera non dixit? de tempore autem uitae meae, quod est post baptismum, uobis quicumque me nostis superfluo loquor ex his, quae nota esse hominibus possunt; hi uero, qui me non nouerunt, non ita iniqui esse debent in me, ut magis de me credant Petiliano quam uobis. nam si laudanti amico credendum non est, nec inimico detrahenti. restant ea quae occulta sunt hominis, ubi sola conscientia testis est, quae testis esse apud homines non potest. in his me Petilianus Manicheum esse dicit, loquens de aliena conscientia; hoc ego me non esse dico, loquens de mea conscientia. eligite cui credatis. uerumtamen quoniam nec ista breui ac facili mea defensione opus est, ubi quaestio non de qualiscumque unius hominis merito, sed de sanctae ecclesiae ueritate uersatur, ad uos etiam mihi plura dicenda sunt, quicumque in parte Donati Petiliani quae in me scripsit maledicta legistis, quae ab illo non audirem, si uestram perditionem contemnerem, si caritatis Christianae uiscera non haberem.

Let these things suffice for you, dearest brothers, Catholic Christians, for the present business. If you hold them with Catholic love, since you are one flock, secure under one shepherd, I do not care much that any enemy rails at me, your fellow member of the flock, or indeed your dog, provided he compels me to bark for your defence rather than for my own. Yet if my defence were needed for the case, I would use a very brief and easy one: namely, the whole time of my life before I received Christ's baptism, as regards my desires and errors, I disapprove and detest along with everyone, so that in defending that time I may not seem to seek my own glory rather than that of him who by his grace freed me even from myself. Hence when I hear that life of mine blamed, with whatever intention the one who does it does it, I am not so ungrateful as to grieve; for as much as he accuses my vice, so much do I praise my physician. Why, then, should I labour to defend those past and abolished evils of mine, about which Petilian said many false things but left unsaid more true ones? As for the time of my life after baptism, to those of you who know me I speak superfluously of the things that can be known to men; and those who do not know me ought not to be so unjust to me as to believe Petilian about me rather than you. For if a praising friend is not to be believed, neither is a detracting enemy. There remain the hidden things of a man, where conscience alone is witness, and it cannot be a witness before men. In these Petilian says I am a Manichee, speaking of another's conscience; I say I am not, speaking of my own. Choose whom you believe. However, since not even this short and easy defence of mine is needed, where the question concerns not the merit of one man of whatever kind, but the truth of the holy church, I must say more to you too, all of you in the party of Donatus who have read the curses that Petilian wrote against me; which I would not hear from him if I despised your perdition, if I had not the heart of Christian love.

John 10:16 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine disowns his life before baptism, leaves his later life to those who know him, and denies on his conscience Petilian's charge that he is still a Manichee.

  • John 10:16. Augustine had been a Manichaean hearer for about nine years before his conversion and baptism (387).

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.11 (CSEL 52:172–173; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.12CSEL 52:173

Quid ergo mirum si cum grana de area dominica excussa simul cum terra et palea introrsum traho, iniuriam resilientis pulueris suffero uel, cum domini mei oues perditas diligenter inquiro, spinosarum linguarum uepribus laceror? obsecro uos, deponite paululum studia partium atque inter me et Petilianum cum aliqua aequitate iudicate. ego ecclesiae causam uolo ut noueritis, ille ut meam. ad quid aliud, nisi quia testibus mei?, quos in causa ecclesiae constanter adhibeo, non audet dicere ne credatis — prophetae sunt enim et apostoli et ipse prophetarum et apostolorum dominus Christus —, de me autem quidquid dicere uoluerit, homini aduersus hominem et uestro aduersus alienum facile creditis? et si quos uitae meae testes adhibuero, quid magnum est, ut dicat non eis esse credendum et hoc uobis cito persuadeat, praesertim quoniam quisquis pro me ullum uerbum fecerit inimicus parti Donati ac per hoc uester continuo deputabitur? regnat itaque Petilianus; quando in me quaelibet conuicia iaculatur, ei omnes acclamatis et plauditis. hanc sibi inuenit uincibilem causam, sed iudicibus uobis; nec testem nec argumentum requirit, cui hoc solum est probare quod dicit, quia ei quem maxime odistis copiosissime maledicit. nam quoniam diuinae scripturae testimonia cum pro ecclesia catholica tam densa et tam clara recitantur, uobis dolentibus remanet mutus, elegit materiam ubi uobis fauentibus loquatur et uictus. uerum si miliens tantum talia uel etiam sceleratiora dicat in me, mihi sat est ad rem quam nunc ago, quod, qualiscumque in ea sim, tamen ecclesia pro qua loquor inuicta est.

What wonder, then, if, when I draw inward the grains shaken out of the Lord's threshing floor together with earth and chaff, I suffer the injury of rebounding dust, or, when I diligently seek my Lord's lost sheep, I am torn by the briars of thorny tongues? I beg you, set aside party zeal for a little while and judge between me and Petilian with some fairness. I want you to know the church's case, he wants you to know mine. For what other reason, except that he does not dare tell you not to believe my witnesses, whom I constantly bring forward in the church's case (for they are the prophets and apostles and the Lord of the prophets and apostles himself, Christ), whereas whatever he wishes to say about me you readily believe, a man against a man, your own man against a stranger? And if I bring forward any witnesses of my life, what great thing is it for him to say they are not to be believed and quickly persuade you of it, especially since whoever says a word for me will at once be counted an enemy of the party of Donatus and therefore of yours? So Petilian reigns; when he hurls any abuse at me, you all acclaim and applaud him. He has found himself a case he can win, but with you as judges; he needs neither witness nor proof, for whom the only proof of what he says is that he abundantly curses the man you hate most. For since, when the testimonies of divine Scripture for the Catholic Church are read so thick and clear, he remains mute, to your grief, he has chosen a subject where he may speak with your applause, though defeated. But if he says such things against me a thousand times over, or even more wicked ones, it is enough for me, for the matter I am now pursuing, that whatever I may be in it, the church for which I speak is unconquered.

Luke 15:4 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Petilian attacks Augustine because he cannot answer the Scriptures for the church; whatever Augustine is, the church he defends stands.

  • Luke 15:4 (lost sheep).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark): mirum si. cum grana → mirum si cum grana.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.12 (CSEL 52:173; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.13CSEL 52:173–174

Homo sum enim de area Christi, palea si malus, granum si bonus. non est huius areae uentilabrum lingua Petiliani, ac per hoc, quidquid in eius paleam mali etiam uere dixerit, nullo modo frumentis eius praeiudicat, quidquid autem in ipsa frumenta maledictorum calumniarumque iactauerit, fides eorum exercetur in terris, merces augetur in caelis. sanctis enim dei seruis sancteque deo militantibus non aduersus Petilianum atque huiusmodi carnem et sanguinem, sed aduersus principatus et potestates et rectores talium tenebrarum — quales sunt omnes aduersarii ueritatis, quibus utinam dicamus: fuistis aliquando tenebrae, nunc autem lux in domino —, hanc ergo militiam militantibus seruis dei quaecumque ab inimicis conuicia criminosa dicuntur, quae apud maliuolos et temere credulos malam famam faciant, arma sinistra sunt; etiam his diabolus expugnatur. cum enim per bonam famam probamur, utrum nos in superbiam non extollamus, et per malam famam probamur, utrum inimicos eos ipsos a quibus nobis confingitur diligamus, per arma iustitiae dextra et sinistra diabolum uincimus. quae cum apostolus commemorasset dicens: per arma iustitiae dextra et sinistra, continuo tamquam exponens quid dixerit: per gloriam, inquit, et ignobilitatem, per infamiam et bonam famam et cetera talia, gloriam scilicet et bonam famam numerans in armis dextris, in sinistris autem ignobilitatem et infamiam.

For I am a man of Christ's threshing floor: chaff if bad, grain if good. Petilian's tongue is not the winnowing fork of this threshing floor; and so whatever evil he may say, even truly, against its chaff in no way prejudices its grain; and whatever curses and slanders he throws against the grain itself, their faith is exercised on earth and their reward increased in heaven. For to God's holy servants, who serve as soldiers of God in holiness, not against Petilian and such flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and rulers of such darkness (as all adversaries of the truth are, to whom would that we might say, “You were once darkness, but now light in the Lord”): to God's servants serving in this warfare, then, whatever slanderous abuse is spoken by enemies, which may create a bad reputation among the malicious and the rashly credulous, are weapons of the left hand; with these too the devil is defeated. For when we are tested by good reputation, whether we exalt ourselves in pride, and are tested by bad reputation, whether we love those very enemies by whom it is invented against us, we conquer the devil by the weapons of righteousness on the right hand and on the left. When the apostle had mentioned these, saying, “by the weapons of righteousness on the right and on the left,” he at once, as if explaining what he said, added, “through glory and dishonour, through ill repute and good repute,” and so on, counting glory and good repute among the weapons of the right hand, and dishonour and ill repute among those of the left.

Matt 3:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Eph 6:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:8 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Slander is a 'weapon of the left hand' by which God's servants defeat the devil, through loving those who slander them.

  • Matt 3:12; Eph 6:12; Eph 5:8; 2 Cor 6:7–8.

Topics: Heresy, Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.13 (CSEL 52:173–174; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.14CSEL 52:174–175

Si ergo sum dei seruus et miles non reprobus, quamlibet disertus conuiciator in me Petilianus existat, numquid moleste ferre debeo, quod mihi armorum sinistrorum faber sollertissimus procuratus est? opus est ut his in adiutorio domini mei peritissime dimicem et eis illum feriam, contra quem inuisibiliter pugno, qui peruersissima et antiquissima astutia callide intendit et agit, ut propter haec Petilianum oderim ac sic praeceptum Christi, quod ait: diligite inimicos uestros, implere non possim. quod a me auertat eius misericordia qui me dilexit et tradidit se pro me, ut pendens in cruce diceret: pater, ignosce illis, quia nesciunt quid faciunt, meque de Petiliano et talibus inimicis meis dicere doceret: domine, ignosce illis, quia nesciunt quid loquuntur).

If, then, I am a servant of God and a soldier not rejected, however eloquent a railer Petilian proves against me, ought I to take it ill that a most skilful smith of left-hand weapons has been procured for me? I must fight with these most skilfully, with the help of my Lord, and strike with them the one against whom I fight invisibly, who with most perverse and ancient cunning craftily aims and works so that I may hate Petilian because of these things and so be unable to fulfil Christ's command, “Love your enemies.” May his mercy turn this from me, who loved me and gave himself for me, so that hanging on the cross he said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing,” and taught me to say of Petilian and such enemies of mine, “Lord, forgive them, for they do not know what they are saying.”

Matt 5:44 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 2:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Luke 23:34 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine will use Petilian's slanders to grow in love of his enemy, praying for him as Christ prayed on the cross.

  • Matt 5:44; Gal 2:20; Luke 23:34.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): peritissime* dimicem → peritissime dimicem; inimi- CO8 uestros → inimicos uestros.

Topics: Ethics, Prayer

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.14 (CSEL 52:174–175; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.15CSEL 52:175

Proinde si impetraro a uobis, sicut intendi, ut remoto ab animis uestris omni studio partium inter me et Petilianum aequi iudices sitis, ostendam uobis non eum respondisse scriptis meis, ut intellegatis, quia ueritatis inopia coactus sit causam relinquere et in hominem, qui eam sic egit, ut respondere ille non posset, quae potuit maledicta iactare. quamquam tanta manifestatione clarent quae dicturus sum, ut, etiamsi studio partium et odio mei uestrae mentes a me alienentur, tantummodo si utraque legatis, certe apud uosmet ipsos in cordibus uestris uerum me dixisse fateamini.

So if I obtain from you, as I have aimed, that, with all party zeal removed from your minds, you are fair judges between me and Petilian, I will show you that he has not answered my writings, so that you may understand that, compelled by lack of truth, he abandoned the case and threw what curses he could at the man who argued it in such a way that he could not answer. Yet what I am going to say is so plainly clear that, even if your minds are estranged from me by party zeal and hatred of me, provided only you read both, you will surely confess among yourselves in your hearts that I have spoken the truth.

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Summary: Augustine undertakes to show that Petilian did not answer his first book.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.15 (CSEL 52:175; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.16CSEL 52:175

Ego enim respondens primae parti scriptorum eius, quae tunc in manus meas uenerat, praetermisso conuicioso et sacrilego multiloquio, ubi ait: bis baptisma nobis obiciunt hi qui sub nomine baptismi animas suas reo lauacro polluerunt, quibus equidem obscenis sordes cunctae mundiores sunt, quos peruersa munditia aqua sua contigit inquinari, illud quod sequitur tenui discutiendum et refellendum quod ait: conscientia namque dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, et quaesiui. unde abluendus sit qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat.

For in answering the first part of his writings, which had then come into my hands, I passed over the abusive and sacrilegious wordiness in which he says, “They charge us with a double baptism, those who under the name of baptism have polluted their souls with a guilty washing; than whom, filthy as they are, all dirt is cleaner, who through a perverse cleanness have come to be defiled by their own water,” and I took up for examination and refutation what follows, where he says, “For it is the conscience of the giver that is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver”; and I asked from what source the one who receives baptism is to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine recalls the question he put in Book 1 about the hidden conscience of the giver.

  • See 1.2–1.3 and 2.4–2.6.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): quae tone in manus → quae tunc in manus; polluta ■ conscientia → polluta conscientia; est accepturas ignorat → est accepturus ignorat.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.16 (CSEL 52:175; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.17CSEL 52:175–176

Legite nunc eius copiosissima maledicta quae in me inflatus et iratus effudit, et uidete utram quaerenti mihi responderit, unde sit abluendus qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ignorat accipiens. obsecro uos, quaerite attente, omnes excutite paginas, omnes dinumerate uersiculos, omnia uerba uersate, omnes syllabae enucleate et dicite mihi, si inueneritis, ubi responderit, cum dantis polluta conscientia est, unde sit eius abluenda qui hoc accepturus ignorat.

Read now the very copious curses which he poured out against me, puffed up and angry, and see whether he answered my question: from what source is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the receiver does not know it? I beg you, search attentively, shake out every page, count every line, turn over every word, pick apart every syllable, and tell me, if you find it, where he answered: when the giver's conscience is polluted, from what source is the conscience of the one who is to receive it, not knowing this, to be cleansed?

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Summary: Augustine challenges readers to find any answer in Petilian's letter to his central question.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.17 (CSEL 52:175–176; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 52 (1909) (digital text; corrections logged); compared afterwards with NPNF¹ 4 (King, 1887).

3.18CSEL 52:176

Quid enim ad rem pertinuit, quia uerbum addidit, quod a me diceret fuisse subtractum, atque ita se scripsisse contendit: conscientia namque sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis? nam ut noueritis non a me fuisse subtractum, nihil inquisitionem meam impedit additum, nihil eius subleuat defectionem. ad ipsa enim uerba rursus interrogo et utrum responderit quaero: si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde abluitur accipientis conscientia, quando dantis maculosa conscientia est et hoc accepturus ignorat? ad hoc responderi flagitate ne(c ho)minem relicta causa conuiciose alienari permittite. si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur — uidete quia non dixi conscientia dantis, sed addidi sancte dantis —, si conscientia, inquam, sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde igitur abluendus est qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat?

For what did it matter that he added a word which he said I had taken away, and contended that he had written thus: “For it is the conscience of one who gives in holiness that is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver”? For, so that you may know that I did not take it away, the addition does nothing to hinder my inquiry and nothing to relieve his failure. On those very words I ask again, and inquire whether he has answered: if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source is the receiver's conscience cleansed when the giver's conscience is stained and the one about to receive does not know it? Demand that this be answered, and do not allow the man to abandon the case and wander off in abuse. If the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to (see that I did not say “the conscience of the giver,” but added “of one who gives in holiness”), if, I say, the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source, then, is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it?

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Summary: Petilian's added word ('in holiness') leaves Augustine's question unanswered.

  • The editor's round-bracketed letters in “ne(c ho)minem” are translated.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.18 (CSEL 52:176; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.19CSEL 52:176–177

Eat nunc et anhelis pulmonibus ac turgidis faucibus me tamquam dialecticum criminetur, immo non me, sed ipsam dialecticam uelut mentiendi artificem in populare iudicium ream deuocet et in eam quamlibet fragosissimo strepitu aduocati forensis ora distendat. dicat quidquid uult apud imperitos, unde stomachentur docti, illudantur indocti. me propter rhetoricam Tertulli oratoris, a quo accusatus est Paulus, uocabulo denotet, sibi propter aduocationem, in qua potentiam quondam suam iactat, paracleti nomen imponat atque ob hoc se cognominalem spiritus sancti non esse, sed fuisse deliret. Manicheorum immunditias libentissime exaggeret easque in me latrando detorquere conetur. ignotorum mihi et notorum gesta recitet damnatorum et, quod ibi amicus quondam meus magis ad defensionem suam me nominauit absentem, in calumniam praeiudicati criminis nescio quo nouo et suo iure conuertat. titulos epistularum mearum a se uel a suis sicut eis placuit inscriptos legat et tamquam me in eis comprehendisse se gestiat confitentem. eulogias panis simpliciter et hilariter datas ridiculo nomine uenenosae turpitudinis ac furoris infamet et de uestro corde tam male sentiat, ut amatoria maleficia data mulieri marito non solum conscio, uerum etiam (fauente) credi sibi posse praesumat. quod de me adhuc presbytero scripsit iratus ordinator futurus episcopatus mei, uelit ualere aduersus me, quod autem a sancto concilio de hoc, quod in nos ita peccauit, ueniam petiuit et meruit, nolit ualere pro me, ita Christianae mansuetudinis et praecepti euangelici uel nescius uel oblitus, ut etiam, quod fratri ut sibi ignosceretur humiliter postulanti clementer ignotum est, criminetur.

Let him go now and, with panting lungs and swollen throat, accuse me as a dialectician; or rather, not me, but let him summon dialectic itself before the popular court as a defendant, as if it were the craft of lying, and open wide against it the mouth of a forensic advocate with as crashing a din as he likes. Let him say what he wants before the unlearned, at which the learned may be disgusted and the unlearned deceived. Let him brand me, for my rhetoric, with the name of Tertullus the orator, by whom Paul was accused; let him give himself, for his advocacy, in which he boasts of his former power, the name of Paraclete, and rave that for this reason he was once, not now, a namesake of the Holy Spirit. Let him exaggerate with great relish the impurities of the Manichees and try to twist them against me by barking. Let him read out the proceedings against condemned men, some unknown to me and some known, and, because a former friend of mine named me there in my absence rather for his own defence, let him turn it, by some new law of his own, into the slander of a crime prejudged. Let him read the titles of my letters, inscribed by himself or his people as they pleased, and exult as if he had caught me confessing in them. Let him defame the blessed bread, given simply and cheerfully, with the ridiculous name of poisonous filth and madness, and think so badly of your hearts as to presume that he can be believed that love-charms were given to a woman with her husband not only aware but even approving. Let him want to count against me what the man who was to ordain me to the episcopate wrote about me in anger when I was still a presbyter, and not want to count for me that he asked and obtained pardon from a holy council for having so sinned against us; so ignorant or forgetful of Christian gentleness and of the gospel command that he even accuses what was mercifully forgiven to a brother humbly asking pardon for himself.

Acts 24:1 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine lists Petilian's personal attacks: dialectic, rhetoric, Manichaeism, letters, the blessed bread, and an old complaint of the bishop who ordained him, later retracted.

  • Acts 24:1–2 (Tertullus). Petilian had been an advocate (in Latin also paracletus). The “blessed bread” (eulogiae) were loaves Augustine sent as tokens of fellowship; Petilian called them love-charms. The ordaining bishop was Megalius, primate of Numidia, who wrote against Augustine before ordaining him and later asked pardon at a council. The editor's round-bracketed “fauente” is translated.

Topics: Heresy, Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.19 (CSEL 52:176–177; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.20CSEL 52:177–178

Pergat etiam sermone multiloquo sed plane uaniloquo in ea, quae prorsus ignorat uel in quibus potius abutitur ignorantia plurimorum, et ex confessione cuiusdam feminae, quod catechumenam se dixerit Manicheorum quae sanctimonialis in catholica fuerit, quod ei placet de illorum baptismo dicat et scribat, nesciens aut nescire se fingens non illic ita appellari catechumenos, tamquam eis baptismus quandoque debeatur, sed eos hoc uocari, qui etiam auditores uocantur, quod uidelicet tamquam meliora et maiora praecepta obseruare non possunt, quae obseruantur ab eis, quos electorum nomine discernendos et honorandos putant. me etiam presbyterum fuisse Manicheorum uel falsus uel fallens mirabili temeritate contendat, uerba quarti libri Confessionum mearum, quae per se ipsa et de multis ante et postea dictis manifestissima sunt legentibus, sub quo ei uidetur intellectu proponat atque arguat, furem me denique uerborum suorum, quod duo subtraxerim, tamquam eis repositis uictor exultet.

Let him go on also in wordy but plainly empty speech into matters he is wholly ignorant of, or rather in which he abuses the ignorance of very many; and from the confession of a certain woman, who had been a dedicated virgin in the Catholic Church and said she was a catechumen of the Manichees, let him say and write what he likes about their baptism, not knowing, or pretending not to know, that among them catechumens are not so called because baptism is due to them at some time, but that those are so called who are also called hearers, because they cannot keep the precepts, as better and greater, which are kept by those whom they think should be distinguished and honoured with the name of the elect. Let him contend with amazing rashness, either mistaken or deceiving, that I was even a presbyter of the Manichees; let him set out the words of the fourth book of my Confessions, which are perfectly clear in themselves to readers and from much that is said before and after, in whatever sense he likes, and argue from them; and finally, let him exult as victor at having put back two words of his which I, as a thief of his words, had taken away.

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Summary: Augustine corrects Petilian on Manichaean 'catechumens' (hearers) and denies having been a Manichaean priest.

  • Among the Manichees the hearers (auditores), also called catechumens, were distinguished from the elect. Augustine had been a hearer, not one of the elect. The reference is to Confessions 4.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.20 (CSEL 52:177–178; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.21CSEL 52:178

In his certe omnibus, sicut legendo cognoscere uel recognoscere poteritis, impetum quidem linguae suae quo libuit ambitu iactationis exercuit, nusquam tamen dixit, unde abluatur accipientis conscientia, cum maculosam dantis ignorat. at ego inter strepitum uel post strepitum eius grandem et nimis ut putat ipse terribilem lente ut dicitur et bene hoc ipsum repeto, ut uel respondeat his exposco: (si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde est abluendus, qui maculosam conscientiam dantis ignorat? et per totam eius epistulam ad hoc non inuenio aliquid dictum.

In all these things, certainly, as you will be able to learn or recognize by reading, he exercised the force of his tongue with whatever range of boasting he pleased; yet nowhere did he say from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed when he does not know the giver's to be stained. But I, amid his noise or after his great and, as he thinks, very terrible noise, repeat this very thing slowly, as they say, and well, so that he may at least answer it; I demand: if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source is the one to be cleansed who does not know the giver's conscience to be stained? And in his whole letter I find nothing said to this.

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Summary: Despite all his noise, Petilian never answers the question.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.21 (CSEL 52:178; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.22CSEL 52:178–179

Iam fortasse dicet mihi aliquis uestrum: (haec omnia quae dixit in te ad hoc ualere uoluit, ut te deformaret ac per te illos quibus communicas, ne ulterius alicuius momenti esse te existiment uel ipsi uel hi, quos ad uestram communionem traducere niteris. ceterum ex quo proposuit uerba epistulae tuae, ex illo considerandum est utrum nihil ad illa responderit. ita ergo faciamus: ex ipso prorsus loco scripta eius consideremus. excepto ergo prooemio, quo uolui animum praeparare lectoris et pauca eius uerba prima contumeliosa magis quam ad rem pertinentia praeterire: ait, inquam: conscientia namque dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis. quid si lateat dantis conscientia et fortasse maculosa sit, quomodo poterit accipientis abluere conscientiam, si, quemadmodum dicit, conscientia dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis? si enim dixerit ad accipientem non pertinere quidquid mali latuerit in conscientia dantis, ad hoc ualebit fortasse illa ignorantia, ut de conscientia baptizatoris sui non possit nesciens maculari. sufficiat ergo, ut alterius (conscientia) maculosa cum ignoratur non maculet; numquid autem etiam abluere potest? unde igitur abluendus est qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat, praesertim cum addat et dicat: nam qui fidem a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum?

Perhaps one of you will now say to me: “All these things he said against you he meant to serve to disfigure you, and through you those with whom you are in communion, so that neither they themselves nor those whom you are trying to bring over to your communion would think you of any further weight. For the rest, one must consider from the point where he set out the words of your letter whether he answered nothing to them.” Let us do so, then: let us consider his writings from that very point. Excepting the preface, in which I wished to prepare the reader's mind and to pass over a few first words of his, insulting rather than relevant, I said: “For it is the conscience of the giver that is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver. What if the giver's conscience is hidden, and perhaps stained? How will it be able to cleanse the receiver's conscience, if, as he says, the conscience of the giver is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver? For if he says that whatever evil lies hidden in the giver's conscience does not concern the receiver, that ignorance will perhaps avail so far as this, that the receiver, not knowing, cannot be stained by the conscience of his baptizer. Let it be granted, then, that another's stained conscience, when it is unknown, does not stain; but can it also cleanse? From what source, then, is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it, especially since he adds and says: For he who has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt?”

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Summary: Augustine quotes the passage of Book 1 that Petilian set out to answer.

  • Quoting 1.2–1.3. The editor's round-bracketed “conscientia” is translated.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): polluta conscientia eat et hoc → polluta conscientia est et hoc.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.22 (CSEL 52:178–179; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.23CSEL 52:179–180

Haec omnia uerba Petilianus ex litteris meis refellenda proposuit. uideamus ergo utrum refellerit, utrum omnino responderit. addo enim uerba quae me subtraxisse calumniatur et eadem ipsa sic repeto uel etiam breuius — addendo enim haec duo uerba etiam ad breuitatem propositionis huius me plurimum adiuuit -: si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis et qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum, unde abluitur accipientis conscientia, cum maculosam dantis ignorat et cum fidem nesciens sumit a perfido? rogo unde abluitur: dicat nobis, non eat in aliud, non obtendat nebulas imperitis, postremo saltem multis et anfractuosis circuitibus interpositis et peractis tandem aliquando dicat nobis, unde abluitur accipientis conscientia, quando maculosa perfidi baptizantis occulta est, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis et qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum. nesciens enim sumit a perfido non habente conscientiam sancte dantis, sed maculosam et occultam. unde ergo abluitur, unde percipit fidem? si enim nec tunc abluitur nec tunc percipit fidem, cum baptizator perfidus et maculosus occultus est, cur eo postea prodito atque damnato non denuo baptizatur, ut abluatur fidemque percipiat? si autem illo perfido et maculoso occulto iste abluitur et percipit fidem, unde abluitur, unde percipit, ubi non est conscientia sancte dantis quae abluat accipientis? hoc dicat, ad hoc respondeat: unde abluitur, unde percipit, si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis et haec ibi non est, quando baptizator maculosus et perfidus latuit? nihil ad hoc responsum est omnino.

All these words of my letter Petilian set out to refute. Let us see, then, whether he refuted them, whether he answered at all. For I add the words which he slanderously says I took away, and I repeat the same thing so, or even more briefly (for by adding these two words he has greatly helped the brevity of this proposition): if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, and he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt, from what source is the receiver's conscience cleansed when he does not know the giver's to be stained, and when he unknowingly receives faith from a faithless man? I ask from what source he is cleansed. Let him tell us; let him not go off onto something else, not spread fogs before the unlearned; at least, after many winding detours have been put in and gone through, let him at last some time tell us from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed when the stained conscience of the faithless baptizer is hidden, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, and he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt. For he unknowingly receives from a faithless man who has not the conscience of one who gives in holiness, but a stained and hidden one. From what source, then, is he cleansed, from what source does he receive faith? For if he is not cleansed then, nor receives faith then, when the faithless and stained baptizer is hidden, why, when the baptizer is afterwards exposed and condemned, is he not baptized again, so as to be cleansed and receive faith? But if, while that faithless and stained man is hidden, he is cleansed and receives faith, from what source is he cleansed, from what source does he receive, where there is no conscience of one who gives in holiness to cleanse that of the receiver? Let him say this, let him answer this: from what source is he cleansed, from what source does he receive, if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, and it is not there when the baptizer, stained and faithless, lay hidden? Nothing at all has been answered to this.

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Summary: Even with Petilian's two words restored ('in holiness', 'knowingly'), the question stands: from what source is one cleansed when the baptizer is secretly faithless?

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.23 (CSEL 52:179–180; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.24CSEL 52:180–181

Sed ecce angustatus in causa rursum in me impetum facit nebulosum atque uentosum, ut ueritatis serenitas obscuretur, et fit summa inopia copiosus non uera dicendo, sed maledicta inania uomendo. tenete sane intentissime atque fortissime quid debeat respondere, id est unde abluatur accipientis conscientia, cum maculosa dantis occulta est, ne forte hoc uobis e manibus flatus eius excutiat uosque ipsi sermonis turbidi caliginosa tempestate rapiamini, ut uel (quo) discessum uel quo redeundum sit omnino nesciatis, et uidete hominem uagari qua potest, dum pro negotio quod suscepit stare non potest. uidete quam multa dicat non habendo quod dicat. dicit me labi lubricum, sed teneri, nec adstruere nec confirmare quod obicio, incerta pro certis excogitare, non permittere legentes quae uera sunt credere, sed facere ut altius dubia suspicentur; dicit me Academici damnabile ingenium habere Carneadis; conatur etiam insinuare, quid Academici sentiant de falsitate uel fallacia sensus humani; etiam in his omnino quid loquatur ignorans dici ab eis asserit niues nigras esse cum albae sint nigrumque argentum, turrem rotundam uel teretem uideri cum longa sit, remum in aqua fractum cum sit integer. et hoc totum propterea, quoniam, cum dixisset: conscientia dantis uel sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, contra ego dixi: quid si lateat dantis conscientia et fortasse maculosa sit? istae sunt niues nigrae et argentum nigrum et turris rotunda pro longa et remus in aqua fractus pro integro? rem quippe dixi quae putari possit et esse non possit, ut lateat dantis conscientia et fortasse maculosa sit.

But see, hard pressed in the case, he again makes a cloudy and windy attack on me, so as to obscure the clear sky of truth, and becomes copious out of utter poverty, not by saying true things but by vomiting empty curses. Hold fast, most attentively and firmly, to what he ought to answer, that is, from what source the receiver's conscience is cleansed when the giver's stained conscience is hidden, so that his blast may not perhaps knock it out of your hands and you yourselves be swept away by the murky storm of his turbulent speech, so as not to know at all from where you have departed or where you should return; and see the man wander where he can, while he cannot stand by the business he has undertaken. See how much he says while having nothing to say. He says that I slip like something slippery but am held; that I neither build up nor confirm what I object; that I devise uncertain things for certain ones; that I do not let readers believe what is true, but make them suspect doubtful things more deeply. He says I have the damnable mind of the Academic Carneades; he even tries to suggest what the Academics think of the falsity or deceptiveness of human sense; and in this too, quite ignorant of what he is saying, he asserts that they say snow is black when it is white, and silver black, that a tower seems round or cylindrical when it is long, that an oar is broken in the water when it is whole. And all this because, when he had said, “The conscience of the giver, or of one who gives in holiness, is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver,” I said against it, “What if the giver's conscience is hidden, and perhaps stained?” Is this the black snow, the black silver, the round tower for a long one, the oar broken in the water for a whole one? For I said a thing that can be thought and cannot be, that the giver's conscience is hidden and perhaps stained?

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Summary: Petilian accuses Augustine of Academic scepticism, but the possibility of a hidden, stained conscience is no sceptical paradox.

  • Carneades was the founder of the New Academy, whose sceptical arguments (the bent oar, the round tower) Augustine had answered in Against the Academics. The last sentence is ironical: the case Augustine put can certainly occur. The editor's round-bracketed “quo” is translated.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark): quae putari possit. et esse → quae putari possit et esse.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.24 (CSEL 52:180–181; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.25CSEL 52:181–182

Et sequitur se et clamat: quid est quid si), quid est fortassis, nisi incerta et inconstans haesitatio dubitantis, de qua ille tuus ait: quid si nunc redeo ad illos qui aiunt: quid si nunc caelum ruat? hoccine quod dixi: quid si lateat dantis conscientia et fortasse maculosa sit?, tale est acsi dixerim: quid si nunc caelum ruat? dictum est utique quid s?, quia fieri potest ut lateat, fieri potest ut non lateat. nam quando ignoratur quid cogitet uel quid admiserit, latet utique accipientem dantis conscientia, quando autem peccatum eius manifestatur, non latet. dictum est: et fortasse maculosa sit, quia fieri potest ut lateat et munda sit et rursus fieri potest ut lateat et maculosa sit. ideo quid si, ideo fortasse. numquid huic simile est quid si nunc caelum ruat? o quotiens et conuicti et confessi sunt homines se maculosas et adulterinas habuisse conscientias, cum ab eis baptizarentur ignari, posteaquam manifestato scelere degradati sunt, et tamen caelum non ruit! quid (hic) facit Pilus et Furius, qui contra iustitiam iniustitiam defenderunt? quid hic facit atheus Protagoras, qui esse deum negauit, ut de illo uideatur praedixisse propheta: dixit stultus in corde suo: non est deus? quid hic isti faciunt, ut quid nominati sunt, nisi ut interuenirent pro homine non habente quid dicat, ut, dum de his saltem aliquid sine causa dicitur, agi causa uideatur et ad quod non responsum est responsum esse credatur?

And he goes on and cries: “What is ‘what if,’ what is ‘perhaps,’ but the uncertain and inconstant hesitation of one in doubt, of which that author of yours says: What if I now go back to those who say: What if the sky now falls?” Is what I said, “What if the giver's conscience is hidden, and perhaps stained?”, as if I had said, “What if the sky now falls?” “What if” was said, of course, because it can happen that it is hidden, and it can happen that it is not. For when what he thinks or what he has committed is not known, the giver's conscience is certainly hidden from the receiver; but when his sin is made manifest, it is not hidden. “And perhaps stained” was said, because it can happen that it is hidden and clean, and again it can happen that it is hidden and stained. That is why “what if,” that is why “perhaps.” Is this like “What if the sky now falls”? O how often have men been convicted and have confessed that they had stained and adulterous consciences when ignorant people were baptized by them, after they were degraded once their crime was made manifest; and yet the sky did not fall! What are Pilus and Furius doing here, who defended injustice against justice? What is the atheist Protagoras doing here, who denied that God exists, so that the prophet seems to have foretold of him, “The fool has said in his heart, There is no God”? What are these men doing here, why were they named, except to intervene for a man who has nothing to say, so that, while at least something is said about them, though to no purpose, the case may seem to be being pleaded, and what has not been answered may be believed to have been answered?

Ps 14:1 (13:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine's 'what if' and 'perhaps' describe real cases, unlike 'what if the sky falls'; Petilian's parade of philosophers merely fills space.

  • “What if the sky now falls?” is from Terence, Heauton Timorumenos 719. Pilus and Furius argued for injustice in Cicero's Republic (book 3); Protagoras was accused of atheism. Ps 14:1 (13:1 LXX).

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip and stray mark): ideo cquid si, ideo fortasse*. → ideo quid si, ideo fortasse..

Extrabiblical texts: Terence, Haut. 719 (Terence; quotation); Cicero, Rep. 3 (Cicero; allusion)

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.25 (CSEL 52:181–182; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.26CSEL 52:182–183

Postremo si duo uel tria uerba ista quid si et fortasse* usque adeo sunt intolerabilia, ut propter illa excitentur olim dormientes Academici et Carneades et Pilus et Furius et Protagoras et niues nigrae et ruina caeli et cetera similiter insana et absurda, remoueantur de medio. neque enim re uera sine his non potest dici quod uolumus. ecce sufficit, quod paulo post ita positum est et ab ipso ex meis litteris interpositum: unde igitur abluendus est qui accipit baptismum, cum dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat? nempe hic non est quid si et fortasse*. respondeatur ergo. adtendite, ne forte in eo quod sequitur ad hoc respondeat: sed ego te, inquit, cauillantem ad fidem credendi constringo, ne ulterius euageris. quid argumentis stultitiae a(d)uertis erroribus uitam? quid fidei?: rationem de rebus irrationalibus turbas? hoc uno uerbo te teneo et conuinco. haec Petilianus dixit, non ego. ista ex epistula Petiliani sunt, sed cui uerba iam duo illa quae me abstulisse insimulat addidi et nihilominus ostendi inquisitionis meae, cui non respondet, multo breuius et enodatius fixam stare sententiam. certe haec illa duo sunt sancte et sciens, ut non sit uidelicet (conscientia dantis, sed conscientia sancte dantis et non sit (qui fidem a perfido sumpserit, sed qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit. quae quidem uerba non subtraxeram, sed in codice qui mihi datus erat non inueneram. fieri autem potest ut mendosus fuerit; neque enim et hoc incredibile est, ut etiam hinc mihi Academica excitetur inuidia et tale asseratur esse quod dixi codicem fuisse mendosum, quale si dicerem niues nigras. ut quid enim ei rependo temerariam suspicionem, ut dicam, quod ipse post addiderit quae me subtraxisse confinxit, cum possit istam mendositatis notam sine mea maledica temeritate codex qui non irascitur sustinere?

Finally, if these two or three words, “what if” and “perhaps,” are so intolerable that on their account the Academics, long asleep, are roused, and Carneades and Pilus and Furius and Protagoras and black snow and the falling sky and other such mad and absurd things, let them be removed from the midst. For in truth what we want to say can be said without them. See, it is enough what was put a little later and set out by him from my letter: “From what source, then, is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, when the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it?” Surely here there is no “what if” and “perhaps.” So let it be answered. Pay attention, in case he answers it in what follows: “But I,” he says, “bind you, quibbler, to the faith of believing, so that you may wander no further. Why do you turn life aside by arguments of folly to errors? Why do you disturb the reason of faith about irrational things? With this one word I hold and convict you.” Petilian said this, not I. These are from Petilian's letter; but I have now added to it those two words which he accuses me of taking away, and nonetheless have shown that the sentence of my inquiry, which he does not answer, stands fixed much more briefly and clearly. These certainly are the two: “in holiness” and “knowingly,” so that it is not “the conscience of the giver” but “the conscience of one who gives in holiness,” and not “he who has received faith from the faithless” but “he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless.” These words I had not taken away; I had not found them in the copy that was given me. It may be that it was faulty; for this too is not incredible, unless Academic odium is to be stirred up against me even over this, and my saying that the copy was faulty is asserted to be like saying snow is black. For why should I repay him a rash suspicion and say that he added afterwards what he pretended I took away, when the copy, which does not get angry, can bear this mark of faultiness without any slanderous rashness of mine?

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Summary: Even without 'what if' and 'perhaps,' the question stands; the two words Petilian says were omitted were simply missing from Augustine's copy.

  • The digital text of Petilian's sentence (“a(d)uertis… fidei?:”) is partly damaged; translated by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (split word (OCR)): exci. tentur → excitentur.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.26 (CSEL 52:182–183; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.27CSEL 52:183–184

Et illud quidem primum, id est sancte dantis, omnino non impedit inquisitionem meam qua ille uehementer urgetur, utrum ita dicam: si conscientia dantis attenditur, an uero ita: si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis, unde igitur abluendus est qui accipit baptismum, si dantis polluta conscientia est et hoc ille qui est accepturus ignorat? illud autem alterum quod additur sciens, ut non dicatur: nam qui fidem a perfido sumpserit, sed: qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum, fateor, tamquam deesset, me nonnulla dixisse quorum iacturam facile patior, quoniam magis moram meae facilitati afferebant quam adiutorium facultati. quanto enim expeditius, quanto plenius et breuius sic interrogo: si conscientia sancte dantis attenditur quae abluat accipientis et qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum, unde abluitur quem latet non sancte dantis maculosa conscientia, et unde ueram percipit fidem qui nesciens baptizatur a perfido? dicatur unde, et ibi omnis causa baptismi patebit, ibi totum quod quaeritur elucebit, sed si dicatur, non si tempus maledicendo finiatur.

And the first of these, “in holiness,” does not hinder at all my inquiry, by which he is hard pressed, whether I say, “if the conscience of the giver is looked to,” or, “if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, from what source, then, is the one who receives baptism to be cleansed, if the giver's conscience is polluted and the one about to receive does not know it?” As for the other added word, “knowingly,” so that it is said not “for he who has received faith from the faithless” but “he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt,” I admit that, as though it were missing, I said some things whose loss I readily accept, since they rather delayed my ease than helped my ability. For how much more readily, how much more fully and briefly I ask thus: if the conscience of one who gives in holiness is looked to, to cleanse that of the receiver, and he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt, from what source is he cleansed from whom the stained conscience of one not giving in holiness is hidden, and from what source does he receive true faith who is unknowingly baptized by a faithless man? Let it be said from what source, and there the whole question of baptism will be clear, there all that is sought will shine out; but if it is said, not if the time is used up in cursing.

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Summary: The word 'knowingly' only sharpens the question of the source of cleansing and faith for one unknowingly baptized by a faithless minister.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): gui fidem sciens → qui fidem sciens; fidem pereipit sed → fidem percipit sed.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.27 (CSEL 52:183–184; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.28CSEL 52:184

Quidquid ergo de duobus istis uerbis uel detractis calumniatur uel additis gloriatur, nihil interrogationem meam impedire perspicitis, cui quid respondeat ille non inueniens, ne tamen taceat, irruit identidem in personam meam, dicerem recedens a causa, si omnino accessisset ad causam. quippe quasi de me agatur et non de ecclesiae uel baptismi ueritate, ideo me dicit subtractis illis duobus uerbis argumentatum, ut quasi conscientiae meae non obsit, quod inquinatoris, ut dicit, mei sacrilegam ignoraui conscientiam. quod si ita esset, uerbum illud quod positum est sciens additum mihi potius prodesset et obesset ablatum. si enim me ita defendi uoluissem, ut baptizatoris mei putarer ignorasse conscientiam, pro me locutum acciperem Petilianum, quando non utcumque ait: (qui fidem a perfido sumpserit, sed: qui fidem sciens a perfido sumpserit non fidem percipit sed reatum, ut hinc ego non me reatum, sed fidem percepisse iactarem, quia dicerem: non ego sciens a perfido accepi, sed homo conscientiam dantis hominis ignoraui. uidete itaque et numerate, si potestis, quanta superflua loquatur ad unum (ignoraui? quod me proponit dixisse, cum hoc omnino non dixerim, quia nec de me agebatur, ut dicerem, nec aliquid criminis in eo qui me baptizauit apparuit, ut eius me ignorasse conscientiam pro mea defensione cogerer dicere.

So whatever he slanders about these two words as taken away, or boasts about as added, you see that it does not hinder my question at all; and he, finding no answer to it, yet not to be silent, rushes again and again at my person, departing, I would say, from the case, if he had ever approached it. For as if the question were about me and not about the truth of the church or of baptism, he says that I argued with those two words removed so that it might not harm my conscience that I did not know the sacrilegious conscience of my defiler, as he calls him. If that were so, that word “knowingly,” as set down, would rather help me when added and harm me when removed. For if I had wanted to defend myself on the ground that I was thought not to have known my baptizer's conscience, I would take Petilian as speaking for me when he says, not in just any way, “he who has received faith from the faithless,” but, “he who knowingly has received faith from the faithless receives not faith but guilt”; so that I might boast from this that I received not guilt but faith, because I would say: “I did not receive knowingly from a faithless man; as a man, I did not know the conscience of the man who gave.” So see, and count if you can, how many superfluous things he says against that one “I did not know,” which he represents me as having said, though I did not say it at all; because neither was the question about me, so that I should say it, nor did any crime appear in the one who baptized me, so that I should be compelled to say for my defence that I did not know his conscience.

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Summary: The question is not about Augustine; and Petilian's word 'knowingly' would actually help anyone baptized unknowingly by a sinner.

  • Augustine was baptized by Ambrose at Milan in 387.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark): quasi de. me agatur → quasi de me agatur.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.28 (CSEL 52:184; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.29CSEL 52:184–185

Et tamen iste, ne respondeat ad ea quae dixi, proponit sibi quod non dixi et auocat homines ab intentione debiti sui, ne id quod respondendum est exigatur. interponit saepe: ignoraui, inquis et respondet: sed si ignorares et quasi conuincit, ne mihi liceat dicere: ignoraui. commemorat Mensurium Caecilianum Macarium Taurinum Romanum et eos contra ecclesiam dei fecisse affirmat quae ignorare non possem, eo quod Afer sim et aetate paene iam senex, cum, sicut audio, Mensurius in communionis unitate defunctus sit, antequam se scinderet pars Donati, causam uero Caeciliani legerim quod ad Constantinum ipsi detulerint et ab episcopis, quos ille imperator iudices dederat, et semel et iterum, et ab ipso rege illis ad eum appellantibus etiam tertio fuerit absolutus. Macarius uero et Taurinus et Romanus quidquid uel iudiciaria uel executoria potestate aduersus eorum obstinatum furorem pro unitate fecerunt, secundum leges eos fecisse constat, quas idem ipsi causam Caeciliani ad imperatoris iudicium deferendo contra se ferri exerique coegerunt.

And yet this man, so as not to answer what I said, sets before himself what I did not say and distracts men from attending to his debt, so that what must be answered may not be demanded. He often interposes: “‘I did not know,’ you say,” and answers, “But even if you did not know,” and as it were convicts me, so that I may not be allowed to say, “I did not know.” He mentions Mensurius, Caecilian, Macarius, Taurinus, and Romanus, and asserts that they did things against the church of God which I could not be ignorant of, since I am an African and already almost an old man in age; whereas, as I hear, Mensurius died in the unity of communion before the party of Donatus split off, and as for Caecilian's case, I have read that they themselves brought it to Constantine, and that he was acquitted by the bishops whom that emperor gave as judges, once and again, and, when they appealed to him, by the emperor himself a third time. And whatever Macarius, Taurinus, and Romanus did, by judicial or executive power, against their obstinate fury for the sake of unity, it is established that they did it according to the laws which those same men, by taking Caecilian's case to the emperor's judgment, compelled to be enacted and enforced against themselves.

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Summary: Mensurius died in communion before the schism; Caecilian was acquitted three times; and the imperial officials acted under laws the Donatists brought on themselves.

  • Caecilian was acquitted at Rome (313), Arles (314), and by Constantine (316). Taurinus and Romanus were imperial officials who acted against the Donatists in the 340s.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): interponit. saepe → interponit saepe; Taurinum Komanum → Taurinum Romanum.

Topics: Heresy, Persecution

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.29 (CSEL 52:184–185; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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3.30CSEL 52:185

Inter multa etiam prorsus ad rem non pertinentia dicit Messiani proconsulis sententia me fuisse percussum, ut ex Africa fugerem, et propter hoc falsum, quod si non ipse confinxit, certe maliuolis fingentibus maliuole credidit, quam multa alia falsa consequenter non utcumque dicere, sed etiam scribere mira temeritate non timuit, cum ego Mediolanum ante Bautonem consulem uenerim eique consuli calendis Ianuariis laudem in tanto conuentu conspectuque hominum pro mea tunc rhetorica professione recitauerim et ex illa peregrinatione iam post Maximi tyranni mortem Africam repetiuerim, Manicheos autem Messianus proconsul audierit post consulatum Bautonis, sicut dies gestorum ab eodem Petiliano insertus ostendit. quae si dubitantibus uel contra credentibus probare necesse esset, multos possem claros in saeculo uiros testes locupletissimos adhibere totius illius temporis uitae meae.

Among many things quite irrelevant he also says that I was struck by a sentence of the proconsul Messianus, so that I fled from Africa; and because of this falsehood, which, if he did not invent it himself, he certainly believed maliciously from malicious inventors, how many other false things in consequence he was not afraid, with amazing rashness, not only to say but even to write! Whereas I came to Milan before the consulship of Bauto, and on the Kalends of January recited a panegyric for that consul before so great an assembly and gathering of people, as my profession of rhetoric then required; and I returned to Africa from that sojourn after the death of the tyrant Maximus; whereas the proconsul Messianus heard the Manichees after the consulship of Bauto, as the date of the proceedings inserted by the same Petilian shows. If it were necessary to prove these things to those who doubt or believe the contrary, I could bring forward many men eminent in the world as most reliable witnesses of the whole of that period of my life.

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Summary: Augustine refutes the claim that he fled Africa after condemnation by the proconsul Messianus, giving the dates of his stay in Milan.

  • Flavius Bauto was consul in 385; Augustine delivered his panegyric on 1 January 385. Magnus Maximus died in 388. Messianus was proconsul of Africa in 385–386.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. litt. Pet. 3.30 (CSEL 52:185; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-litteras-petiliani/3-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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