Against Felix the Manichaean 2.6–2.17

Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.2 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Felicem Manichaeum (CSEL 25.2, 1892), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).

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2.6CSEL 25.2:833

Habetis etiam hoc in scripturis apocryphis, quas canon quidem catholicus non admittit, uobis autem tanto gratiores sunt, quanto a catholico canone secluduntur. aliquid etiam inde commemorem, cuius ego auctoritate non teneor, sed tu conuinceris. in Actibus conscriptis a Leutio, quos tamquam actus apostolorum scribit, habes ita positum: etenim speciosa figmenta et ostentatio simulata et coactio uisibilium nec quidem ex propria natura procedunt, sed ex eo homine, qui per se ipsum deterior factus est per seductionem. uide quemadmodum hic et per se ipsum dixit et per seductionem. fuit enim seductor hominis diabolus, non natura peccator, sed prior uoluntate peccator. sed quia erat in hominis potestate seductori non consentire, ideo positum est et per se ipsum et per seductionem, ut in eo, quod positum est per se ipsum, liberum arbitrium, in eo uero, quod positum est per seductionem intellegas diabolum, non obpressorem inuiti, sed tentatorem uolentis.

“You also have this in the apocryphal scriptures, which the catholic canon does not admit, but which are all the more welcome to you the more they are excluded from the catholic canon. Let me cite something from there too, by whose authority I am not bound, but by which you are convicted. In the Acts written by Leucius, which he writes as acts of the apostles, you have it set down thus: ‘For the fair-seeming fictions, and the feigned display, and the compulsion of visible things do not proceed from one's own nature, but from that man who by himself became worse through seduction.’ See how he said here both ‘by himself’ and ‘through seduction.’ For the devil was man's seducer, not a sinner by nature, but first a sinner by will. But since it was in man's power not to consent to the seducer, therefore it is set down both ‘by himself’ and ‘through seduction,’ so that in what is set down as ‘by himself’ you may understand free choice, and in what is set down as ‘through seduction’ the devil — not the oppressor of one unwilling, but the tempter of one willing.”

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Summary: Augustine quotes the apocryphal Acts ascribed to Leucius, accepted by the Manichees, to show that man became worse by his own will through the devil's seduction.

  • The apocryphal Acts of the apostles ascribed to Leucius (Charinus) were read by the Manichees; the quoted sentence is not preserved elsewhere and its source within those Acts is uncertain. No extrabiblical entry exists for the Leucian Acts.

Topics: Heresy, Ethics, Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.6 (CSEL 25.2:833; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.7CSEL 25.2:833–835

Proinde, quia ego respondi et, quantum potui, probaui ea, quae scripta sunt in libris sanctis de peccatoribus et de iustis non ad diuersitatem naturarum, sed ad distinctionem meritorum pertinere, in quibus meritis non necessitatem natura facit, sed uoluntas culpam, responde tu ad illud, quod iam interrogaui: si deo nocere nihil poterat, quare partem suam, substantiam suam, hoc quod ipse est, polluendam et. ligandam daemonibus miscuerit, quod in nulla diuina scriptura canonica potueris inuenire; si autem nocere ei poterat, non deum incorruptibilem colitis, de quo apostolus dicit: regi autem saeculorum inmortali, inuisibili, incorruptibili, soli deo honor et gloria in saecula saeculorum. denique item dicit: deus habitat lucem inaccessibilem. numquid ad illam lucem non accedunt sancti, de quibus scriptum est: accedite ad eum et inluminamini? numquid ad illam lucem non accedunt sancti, de quibus dicitur: beati mundo corde, quoniam ipsi deum uidebunt? sed quia non ad eam potest accedere, nisi cui deus ipse donauerit. ut accedat, ideo per se ipsam inaccessibilis est. nemo enim potest ad eam accedere, quem deus noluerit, ut accedat; cui autem donauerit, ipse accedet. quomodo ergo poterat illa gens tenebrarum ad habitationem dei accedere, ubi est inaccessibilis lux, quo non accedit, nisi cui deus donauerit? aut si donum acceperat a deo, ut accederet, ad expugnandum regnum dei non daret et non timeret. si autem donum tale non dederat, ut posset accedere, securus in suo regno erat habitans inaccessibilem lucem, quid poterat de tenebrarum gente metuere, ut ei misceret partem suam, substantiam suam, hoc quod ipse est. ligandam, premendam. contaminandam, ubi non solum miserabiliter teneretur, sed etiam turpiter purgaretur? ut enim purgetur inde, dicitis — quod audire nefas est, sed ad uos confundendos et forte saluandos tacere non possumus — ut purgetur inde pars dei, dicitis in naue lucis, quam solem appellatis, facientes iniuriam creatori solis et ipsi soli, quem sic dicitis factum, ubi tanta turpitudo celebretur; dicitis enim. illic positum deum uirtutes suas conuertere in masculos ad inritandum concupiscentias daemonum feminarum et eosdem rursus conuertere in feminas ad inritandum concupiscentias daemonum masculorum. ut cum daemoniis iniciunt libidinem accensis in formas confictas a deo, relaxentur membra eorum, et sic euadat pars dei, quae ibi fuerit colligata. hoc tantum obprobrium, hoc tantum sacrilegium credere ausi estis et praedicare non dubitatis. haec sunt media doctrinae uestrae. finis uero quis est? quis, nisi quia non potuit deus totum purgare? et quia non potuit, facturum eum dicitis uelut tectorium genti tenebrarum, ut ibi in aeternum damnetur, quod purgari non potuit et nihil sua sponte commisit. ita fit, ut deus uester. non uerus, sed fictus, non alicubi constitutus, sed in corde uestro imaginatus, partem suam misceat infeliciter, purget turpiter, damnet crudeliter. ad haec ergo responde et incipe ab illo, quod dixi: quare deus miscuit istam partem suam, cui nihil nocere poterat? aut si potuit, quomodo sit incorruptibilis.

“Accordingly, since I have answered and proved as far as I could that what is written in the holy books about sinners and the righteous concerns not a difference of natures but a distinction of deserts — and in these deserts it is not nature that creates necessity but the will that creates guilt — answer what I have already asked: if nothing could harm God, why did he mingle a part of himself, his own substance, what he himself is, with demons to be polluted and bound — something you could find in no canonical divine scripture? But if it could harm him, you do not worship an incorruptible God, of whom the apostle says: ‘Now to the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, incorruptible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.’ Again he says: ‘God dwells in unapproachable light.’ Do the saints not approach that light, of whom it is written: ‘Approach him and be enlightened’? Do the saints not approach that light, of whom it is said: ‘Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God’? But because no one can approach it except one to whom God himself grants that he approach, it is therefore unapproachable in itself. For no one can approach it whom God does not wish to approach; but the one to whom he grants it will approach. How, then, could that race of darkness approach the dwelling of God, where the light is unapproachable, which no one approaches except one to whom God grants it? Or, if it had received from God the gift of approaching, he would not grant it for storming the kingdom of God, and would not fear. But if he had not given such a gift, so that it could approach, he was secure in his kingdom, dwelling in unapproachable light; what could he fear from the race of darkness, that he should mix with it a part of himself, his own substance, what he himself is, to be bound, oppressed, contaminated — where it would not only be held miserably but also be cleansed shamefully? For you say — it is wicked to hear, but to confound you and perhaps to save you we cannot keep silent — you say that the part of God is cleansed from there in the ship of light which you call the sun, doing injury to the creator of the sun and to the sun itself, which you say was made such that so great a shamefulness is enacted there. For you say that God, placed there, turns his powers into males to excite the lusts of female demons, and turns the same again into females to excite the lusts of male demons, so that, when they inflame lust in the demons, who are kindled toward the forms devised by God, their members are loosened, and so the part of God that was bound there escapes. Such a disgrace, such a sacrilege you have dared to believe and do not hesitate to preach. These are the middle of your doctrine. And what is the end? What, but that God could not cleanse the whole? And because he could not, you say he will make it as a covering for the race of darkness, so that what could not be cleansed, and committed nothing of its own accord, is condemned there for ever. So it comes about that your God — not true but invented, not established anywhere but imagined in your heart — mixes his part unhappily, cleanses it shamefully, condemns it cruelly. Answer these things, then, and begin with what I said: why did God mix this part of himself, which nothing could harm? Or, if something could, how is he incorruptible?”

1 Tim 1:17 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 34:5 (33:6 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine sets out what he calls the Manichaean beginning, middle, and end — God's substance mingled with darkness, its shameful liberation in the sun, and the final condemnation of what could not be cleansed — and presses his question.

  • Augustine's account of the Manichaean myth (the “seduction of the archons” by the powers of light appearing as males and females, and the final binding of the unredeemed light in the “globe”) is his own polemical summary; translated exactly. “Approach him and be enlightened” is Ps 34:5 (33:6 LXX) in the Latin Psalter.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.7 (CSEL 25.2:833–835; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.8CSEL 25.2:835–837

FEL. dixit: Crudelem adseritis Manichaeum haec dicentem; de Christo quid dicimus, qui dixit: ite in ignem aeternum? AUG, dixit: Peccatoribus hoc dixit. FEL. dixit: Isti peccatores quare non purgati sunt? AUG. dixit: Quia noluerunt. FEL. dixit: Quia noluerunt. hoc dixisti?. AUG. dixit: Hoc dixi, quia noluerunt. FEL. dixit: Quare noluerunt? est, qui non uult curari? est, qui non uult purgari? est, qui non uult inluminari? quia infirmus est, qui non uult ad sanitatem uenire? si crudele est, quod Manichaeus dicit, quia aliqua pars dei, quae se purgare non potuit. in globo ligata est, hoc crudele non est, ut Christus, qui dixit: ego propter peccatores ueni, modo ad ignem aeternum illos mittat, cuius nomen portauerunt? sed mandata, credo, non potuerunt conplere. si hoc crudele est. crudelius est et illud; si illud crudelius est, quia deus illos non potuit purgare et globo ligauit, et id crudelius uidetur esse, quod Christus non potuit purgare, ad ignem aeternum mittere. hoc mihi sanctitas tua exponat de ipsa crudelitate. AUG. dixit: Si ea, quae iam dixi, uel intellexisses uel te intellegere fatereris — fortassis enim non habendo quod dicas finxisti te non intellegere, quod apertum est — ista non diceres. iam enim diximus et probauimus per diuinas scripturas esse liberum arbitrium; deum autem liberi arbitrii iustum iudicem, remuneratorem fidelium eique se subicientium et uolentium se sanari, damnatorem autem superborum et inpiorum. quia ergo ad peccatores sanandos uenit, sanat utique peccata confessos, sanat paenitentes; neminem autem paenitet, cum alius peccauit, sed si est paenitentia iusta et uerax, unde et ipse dominus dicit: non ueni uocare iustos, sed peccatores in paenitentiam. ipsa paenitentia indicat non alienae esse naturae, sed uoluntatis nostrae, si quid forte peccamus. nam si alio peccante alium paenitet, non est ista prudens, sed insana paenitentia. secundum uos autem nulla peccata sunt. gens enim tenebrarum non peccat, quia suam naturam facit; natura lucis non peccat, quia quod facit, facere cogitur. nullum ergo inuenis peccatum, quod damnet deus, nullum inuenis peccatum, quod paenitentia possit sanari. si. autem paenitentia est, et culpa est; si culpa est, et uoluntas est; si uoluntas est in peccando. natura non est, quae cogat. sed si quid infirmitatis patiuntur, qui non possunt inplere, quod uolunt — unde apostolus dicit: uideo aliam legem in membris meis repugnantem legi mentis meae et captiuantem me in legem peccati, quae est in membris meis — manifestum est hoc uenisse de traduce primi peccati Adam et de consuetudine mala. nam hodieque libera uoluntate faciunt homines consuetudinem, quam cum fecerint, facile superare non possunt; ipsi ergo sibi de se ipsis fecerunt, quod contra eos lex habitet in membris eorum. sed qui concipiunt timorem dei et per liberum arbitrium subdunt se sanandos optimo medico et sicut bono curatori. ita et misericordi creatori, per humilitatem confessionis et paenitentiae sanantur. superbi uero dicentes se iustos aut dicendo, quia non peccant ipsi, sed aliud in illis peccat et alia natura de illis peccat, per ipsam superbiam suam et insanabiles fiunt et experiuntur iustum iudicium dei, qui superbis resistit, humilibus autem dat gratiam. non est ergo indignum, ut deus dicat: ite in ignem aeternum eis, qui eius misericordiam per liberum arbitrium respuerunt, et dicat: uenite, benedicti patris mei, percipite regnum eis, qui per liberum arbitrium fidem eius susceperunt, peccata sua confessi sunt, paenitentiam egerunt, displicuerunt sibi, quales fuerunt et quales per eum facti sunt, illi placuerunt. tu ergo iam ad hoc, quod interrogaui, responde — sed impetrem a te, ne moras superfluas faciamus —: si deo nocere nihil poterat, quare huc nos misit? si nocere poterat, non est incorruptibilis deus.

Felix said: “You claim that Mani is cruel for saying these things; what do we say about Christ, who said, ‘Go into the eternal fire’?” Augustine said: “He said this to sinners.” Felix said: “Why were these sinners not cleansed?” Augustine said: “Because they were unwilling.” Felix said: “Because they were unwilling — did you say this?” Augustine said: “I said this: because they were unwilling.” Felix said: “Why were they unwilling? Is there anyone who does not want to be healed? Anyone who does not want to be cleansed? Anyone who does not want to be enlightened? Is there a sick man who does not want to come to health? If what Mani says is cruel, that some part of God which could not cleanse itself is bound in the globe, is this not cruel, that Christ, who said, ‘I came for sinners,’ now sends to eternal fire those who bore his name? But, I suppose, they could not fulfill the commandments. If this is cruel, that is crueler; if that is crueler, that God could not cleanse them and bound them in the globe, this too seems crueler, that Christ sends to eternal fire those he could not cleanse. Let your holiness explain this to me about this cruelty.” Augustine said: “If you had either understood what I have already said, or admitted that you understood it — for perhaps, having nothing to say, you pretended not to understand what is plain — you would not say these things. For we have already said and proved through the divine scriptures that there is free choice, and that God is the just judge of free choice, the rewarder of the faithful who submit to him and wish to be healed, but the condemner of the proud and ungodly. Since, then, he came to heal sinners, he certainly heals those who confess their sins, he heals the repentant. But no one repents when another has sinned, if the repentance is just and true; whence the Lord himself says: ‘I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.’ Repentance itself shows that if we do sin, it is not from a foreign nature but from our own will. For if one repents when another sins, that is not a prudent but an insane repentance. But according to you there are no sins at all. For the race of darkness does not sin, because it acts according to its nature; the nature of light does not sin, because what it does it is forced to do. So you find no sin for God to condemn, you find no sin that repentance can heal. But if there is repentance, there is also guilt; if there is guilt, there is also will; if there is will in sinning, there is no nature that compels. But if those who cannot fulfill what they will suffer some weakness — whence the apostle says: ‘I see another law in my members warring against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin which is in my members’ — it is plain that this has come from the transmission of Adam's first sin and from bad habit. For even today people form a habit by free will, and once they have formed it they cannot easily overcome it; so they themselves, from themselves, have brought it about that a law dwells in their members against them. But those who conceive the fear of God and through free choice submit themselves to be healed by the best physician — and as by a good healer so by a merciful creator — are healed through the humility of confession and repentance. But the proud, who say that they are righteous, or who say that it is not they who sin but something else in them that sins, and another nature that sins from them, through that very pride both become incurable and experience the just judgment of God, who resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. It is not unworthy, then, that God should say, ‘Go into the eternal fire,’ to those who by free choice rejected his mercy, and should say, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, receive the kingdom,’ to those who by free choice received his faith, confessed their sins, repented, were displeasing to themselves as they had been, and as they had been made by him were pleasing to him. So now answer what I asked — but let me obtain this from you, that we make no needless delays: if nothing could harm God, why did he send us here? If something could harm him, God is not incorruptible.”

Matt 25:41 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 9:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Jas 4:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Pet 5:5 (quotation, medium confidence) · Matt 25:34 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Felix charges the catholic doctrine of eternal fire with the same cruelty; Augustine replies that the damned are those who by free choice refused repentance and healing, while sin is not possible at all on Manichaean premises.

  • The “globe” (globus) is the Manichaean mass in which the unredeemed light is bound at the end. Augustine's last question is phrased from the Manichaean point of view (“why did he send us here”), the Manichees holding that souls are parts of God.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): AU6. → AUG.; damna.torem → damnatorem.

Topics: Heresy, Ethics, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.8 (CSEL 25.2:835–837; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.9CSEL 25.2:837–838

FEL. dixit: Si deo nocere nihil poterat, quare huc misit filium suum?- AUG. dixit: Uide, quemadmodum semper interrogas et ad interrogata respondere non uis. audi, quod interrogasti, memento tamen te ad ea, quae dico, non respondere, me autem respondere. deo nocere nihil potest; sed filium suum misit, ut carne indueretur et hominibus adpareret, peccatores sanaret, in ipsa carne pateretur pro nobis, quam sumpsit ex nobis. in sua quippe natura pati nihil poterat, quia in principio erat uerbum et uerbum erat apud deum et deus erat uerbum. in hac natura, quia deus erat uerbum, pati nihil ille poterat. ut autem pati pro nobis posset, uerbum caro factum est et habitauit in nobis. uerbum caro factum est adsumendo carnem, non mutatum in carnem; adsumpsit enim humanitatem, non amisit diuinitatem. itaque idem deus et idem homo in natura dei aequalis patri, in natura hominis. factus mortalis, in nobis, pro nobis, de nobis, manens quod erat, suscipiens quod non erat, ut liberaret quod fecerat, non quod erat. non est ergo passio Christi ex indigentia, sed ex misericordia. praebuit enim exemplum patientiae nobis de nobis, id est homini de homine, carni de carne; non tamen in illa carne ipse deterior factus, sed caro in illo melior facta est. pars uero dei uestri nulla carne adsumpta — non enim erat in gente tenebrarum, pro quo pateretur — descendit, ut teneretur, ligaretur, pollueretur et turpius. quam ligabatur purgaretur. iam enim de purgatione eius dixi. haec omnia quanto indigniora sunt, tanto utique faciliora ad intellegendum, quoniam in naturam dei ista non cadunt. et absit a pio animo et fideli talia de deo credere, deo bono, deo uero, qualia uos creditis, non quem inuenistis, sed quem finxistis. responde iam nunc: si deo nocere nihil poterat, pura illa substantia ipsius nulla carne adsumpta in se passura, si quid passura erat, non in carne quam non susceperat, quare huc missa est secundum uestra uaniloquia?

Felix said: “If nothing could harm God, why did he send his Son here?” Augustine said: “See how you always ask and will not answer what you are asked. Hear what you asked; but remember that you do not answer what I say, while I do answer. Nothing can harm God; but he sent his Son to be clothed with flesh and to appear to men, to heal sinners, and in that very flesh, which he took from us, to suffer for us. For in his own nature he could suffer nothing, because ‘in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ In this nature, since the Word was God, he could suffer nothing. But so that he could suffer for us, ‘the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.’ The Word became flesh by taking flesh, not by being changed into flesh; for he took humanity, he did not lose divinity. So the same is God and the same is man: in the nature of God equal to the Father, in the nature of man made mortal, among us, for us, from us; remaining what he was, taking up what he was not, to set free what he had made, not what he was. So the passion of Christ is not from need but from mercy. For he gave us an example of patience from what is ours, that is, to man from man, to flesh from flesh; yet he himself did not become worse in that flesh, but flesh became better in him. But a part of your God, without taking any flesh — for there was nothing in the race of darkness for which it should suffer — came down to be held, bound, polluted, and cleansed more shamefully than it was bound; for I have already spoken of its cleansing. The more unworthy all these things are, the easier they are to understand, since they do not befall the nature of God. And far be it from a pious and faithful mind to believe such things about God — the good God, the true God — as you believe about one whom you did not find but invented. Answer now: if nothing could harm God, why, according to your empty talk, was that pure substance of his sent here, taking no flesh, to suffer in itself, if it was to suffer at all, and not in a flesh it had not taken up?”

John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6–7 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine explains that the Son, unable to suffer in his divine nature, took flesh in order to suffer for us out of mercy, whereas the Manichaean part of God descends to be bound and polluted.

  • Augustine's Christology here (the Word assuming flesh without change, one person God and man) is translated exactly.

Topics: Heresy, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.9 (CSEL 25.2:837–838; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.10CSEL 25.2:838–839

FEL. dixit: Si nihil poterat noceri deo a parte aduersa et Christo nihil poterat noceri ab aduersa natura, ad quam uenit Christus, ut eam liberaret? quia, ut dicis, propter libertatem nostram uenit. ergo in captiuitate fuimus. si in captiuitate tenebamur et propterea Christus uenit, ut nos liberaret, de captiuitate, qui nos tenebat, extraneus a deo erat aut uirtus dei. si dei uirtus erat, qui nos tenebat, utquid Christum mittebat ille, qui nos tenebat? si in ipsius arbitrio erat, quando uellet dimittere, utquid Christus crucifigitur? neminem ergo latet Christum crucifixum. quid illum crucifixerunt? si dei uirtus est, nihil nobis nocebat. si dei uirtus erat, non fuimus capti apud illum, sed quasi nos cum nostro principe, quasi filius cum parentibus, non autem Romani cum barbaris. non oportebat ergo, quia cum uirtute dei constituti eramus, deum filium suum mittere, ut dicatur, quia liberator noster uenit. si paret ergo nos cum uirtute dei constitutos esse, apostolus dixit: Christus nos liberauit de maledicto legis, quia scriptum est: maledictus omnis, qui pendet in ligno. hoc enim apostolus dicit. si iste, qui male dicit omnes, qui pendent in ligno, dei uirtus est — Christus enim pependit in ligno et apostoli ipsius omnes, qui addicti sunt pro ipsius praecepto — quis est iste ergo, qui maledicit omnem, qui pendet in ligno?

Felix said: “If God could not be harmed at all by the opposing side, and Christ could not be harmed at all by the opposing nature, to whom did Christ come, to set it free? For, as you say, he came for our liberation. So we were in captivity. If we were held in captivity and Christ came to free us from captivity, the one who held us was either foreign to God or a power of God. If the one who held us was a power of God, why did he send Christ, he who held us? If it was in his choice when he wished to let us go, why is Christ crucified? It escapes no one that Christ was crucified. Why did they crucify him? If it is a power of God, it was doing us no harm. If it was a power of God, we were not captives with him, but as it were we were with our own prince, as a son with his parents, not as Romans among barbarians. It was not necessary, then, since we were placed with a power of God, for God to send his Son, so that it could be said that our deliverer came. If, then, it appears that we were placed with a power of God, the apostle said: ‘Christ freed us from the curse of the law, for it is written: Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.’ For the apostle says this. If he who curses all who hang on a tree is a power of God — for Christ hung on a tree, and all his apostles who were condemned for his commandment — who, then, is this one who curses everyone who hangs on a tree?”

Gal 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Deut 21:23 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Felix asks who held humanity captive, if not a power foreign to God, and who the lawgiver is that curses everyone hanged on a tree.

  • Felix's argument that the curse of the law (Gal 3:13; Deut 21:23) comes from a power hostile to God follows the Manichaean rejection of the Old Testament law; translated as he gives it.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.10 (CSEL 25.2:838–839; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.11CSEL 25.2:839–841

AUG. dixit: Quos Christus redemit a diabolo, per consensionem suam tenebantur a diabolo et in eius condicione constituti erant per iustum dei iudicium, cui seducenti consenserant per liberum arbitrium. sicut autem in hominis potestate fuit diabolo consentire, ut captiuaretur, sic in ipsius diaboli potestate fuit, cum angelus esset, peccare, ut in deterius mutaretur. peccator ergo angelus per liberum arbitrium suasit peccatum homini habenti liberum arbitrium, ut diabolus, si noluisset, non peccasset et homo, si noluisset, non consensisset. cum autem iam ab illo, cui consenserat; teneretur, non quia diabolus aliquid potuit, sed quia dei iustum iudicium fuit dare in potestatem diaboli hominem, qui contempsit super se potestatem dei et eius legi obtemperare noluit: quia ergo sic inuenit Christus peccatores sub peccato, cum sit peccatum in libero arbitrio, inueniens peccatores sub peccato redemit confitentes a superbiente. quod autem in lege positum est: maledictus omnis, qui pendet in ligno, unde apostolus dicit: Christus nos redemit de maledicto legis, factus pro nobis maledictum; scriptum est enim: maledictus omnis, qui pendet in ligno, non legem reprehendit, sed misericordiam domini commendauit. quia enim Adam peccauerat et omnis illa massa et propago peccati maledicta erat, dominus autem carnem de ipsa massa suscipere uoluit, ut suscipiendo mortalitatem. quae de poena uenerat, solueret mortem, quod de gratia ueniebat, ideo dicit lex: maledictus omnis, qui pendet in ligno. mors enim ipsa pendebat in ligno, quae mors de maledicto ueniebat. quomodo ergo suscipiendo mortem interfecit mortem, sic suscipiendo maledictum soluit maledictum. unde et apostolus dicit: scientes, quia uetus homo noster simul confixus est cruci cum illo, quia de uetere homine nostro, id est de sorte mortis, quae ueniebat ex merito peccati, suscipere dignatus est carnem mortalem de uirgine Maria, in qua nobis et passionis et resurrectionis praeberet exemplum — passionis ad firmandam patientiam, resurrectionis ad excitandam spem — ut duas uitas nobis ostenderet in carne, quam suscepit de uita nostra mortali, unam laboriosam. alteram beatam: laboriosam, quam tolerare debemus, beatam, quam sperare. debemus. toleramus autem laboriosam merito peccati nostri; ille autem ostendit eam in carne sua, non merito iniquitatis suae. sed. officio misericordiae suae. nam ut noueris bonam esse legem, quam tu reprehendere uoluisti, ipse apostolus Paulus quodam loco dixit: lex subintrauit, ut abundaret delictum. adhuc uidetur illam reprehendere; sed audi quod sequitur: ubi autem, inquit. abundauit delictum, superabundauit gratia. data est enim lex superbis hominibus et uiribus suis totum tribuentibus, ut cum inplere non possent legem datam, praeuaricatores inuenirentur et facti rei sub lege peterent misericordiam a legis conditore. proinde paulo post dicit idem apostolus: itaque lex quidem sancta et mandatum sanctum et iustum et bonum. sed ne dicas. quia de alio mandato dicit, ut ostendat, quia de illo dicit, de quo paulo ante dixerat: lex subintrauit, ut abundaret delictum, statim sibi obposuit quaestionem: quod ergo bonum mihi factum est mors? absit; sed peccatum, ut adpareat peccatum, per bonum operatum est mihi mortem. erat enim peccatum, sed non adparebat peccatum; data est lex superbo, fecit contra legem et adparuit peccatum, quod erat, sed non adparebat. adparens autem peccatum humiliauit superbum, humiliatus superbus factus est paenitens, de paenitentia inpetrata est misericordia. audisti ergo, quod interrogasti, responde, quod interrogo: nihil nocere poterat gens tenebrarum deo? quare huc misit partem suam miscendam et polluendam a natura daemonum?

Augustine said: “Those whom Christ redeemed from the devil were held by the devil through their own consent, and were placed under his terms by the just judgment of God, having consented through free choice to his seduction. And as it was in man's power to consent to the devil so as to be taken captive, so it was in the power of the devil himself, when he was an angel, to sin so as to be changed for the worse. So the sinning angel, through free choice, persuaded to sin a man who had free choice, so that the devil, had he not willed, would not have sinned, and man, had he not willed, would not have consented. But when he was now held by the one to whom he had consented — not because the devil could do anything, but because it was God's just judgment to give into the devil's power the man who despised God's power over him and refused to obey his law — since, then, Christ found sinners thus under sin, sin being in free choice, finding sinners under sin he redeemed those who confess from the one who is proud. As for what is set down in the law, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,’ whence the apostle says, ‘Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written: Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree’ — he does not censure the law but commends the mercy of the Lord. For since Adam had sinned, and that whole mass and offspring of sin was accursed, but the Lord willed to take flesh from that very mass, so that by taking up mortality, which had come from punishment, he might undo death — which came from grace — therefore the law says, ‘Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.’ For death itself hung on the tree, the death that came from the curse. So as by taking up death he slew death, so by taking up the curse he undid the curse. Whence the apostle too says: ‘Knowing that our old man was crucified together with him’; for from our old man, that is, from the lot of death which came by the desert of sin, he deigned to take mortal flesh from the virgin Mary, in which he might give us an example both of passion and of resurrection — of passion to strengthen patience, of resurrection to stir up hope — so as to show us two lives in the flesh which he took from our mortal life, one laborious, the other blessed: the laborious, which we must endure; the blessed, which we must hope for. We endure the laborious one by the desert of our sin; but he showed it in his flesh, not by the desert of his iniquity but by the office of his mercy. And that you may know that the law is good, which you wished to censure, the apostle Paul himself said in one place: ‘The law came in so that the offense might abound.’ He still seems to censure it; but hear what follows: ‘But where the offense abounded,’ he says, ‘grace superabounded.’ For the law was given to proud men who attributed everything to their own strength, so that when they could not fulfill the law given them, they might be found transgressors, and having become guilty under the law might seek mercy from the law's founder. Accordingly, a little later the same apostle says: ‘So the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.’ But lest you say that he speaks of another commandment, to show that he speaks of the one of which he had said a little before, ‘The law came in so that the offense might abound,’ he at once posed the question to himself: ‘Did what is good, then, become death to me? By no means; but sin, that it might appear as sin, worked death for me through what is good.’ For sin was there, but sin did not appear; the law was given to the proud man, he acted against the law, and sin appeared, which was there but did not appear. And sin, appearing, humbled the proud man; the proud man, humbled, became repentant; from repentance mercy was obtained. You have heard, then, what you asked; answer what I ask: could the race of darkness do no harm to God? Why did he send a part of himself here to be mingled with and polluted by the nature of demons?”

Deut 21:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Gal 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 6:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:12–13 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine explains that humanity was held by the devil through its own consent under God's just judgment, that Christ took up the curse and death to undo them, and that the law is good, revealing sin so that the proud might repent.

  • “Which came from grace” is elliptical in the Latin (“quod de gratia ueniebat”); the sense seems to be that the undoing of death came from grace. Augustine's teaching on the “mass” of sin descending from Adam is translated exactly.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; split word): apo-. stolus → apostolus; peferent → peterent; milii → mihi.

Topics: Heresy, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.11 (CSEL 25.2:839–841; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.12CSEL 25.2:841–842

FEL. dixit: Si in arbitrio nostro sumus, nemo neminem cogat; quando uoluero, ero christianus. uoluntas nobis subiacet aut esse christianum aut non esse. AUG. dixit: Quia uoluntas nobis adiacet. manifestum est et hoc de diuinis scripturis docui; quod coactus est etiam inuitus dicere etiam ille, qui uos in istum induxit errorem. quod autem dicis: nemo cogatur. quando uoluero, ero christianus, nemo te plane cogit; quando uolueris. esto, quia ex uoluntate tua huc uenisti et ex uoluntate tua ista disputasti. et uae uoluntati malae, si mala est; pax bonae uoluntati, si bona est. siue enim mala sit, siue bona sit, uoluntas est. bonam uoluntatem sequitur corona, malam uoluntatem sequitur poena. deus iudex uoluntatum est. creator autem naturarum. si ergo putas cogi te, ut sis christianus, audi a nobis omnino te non cogi. cogita potius, quae audis, perpende, in tua uoluntate es; examina ut prudens, si tamen in te est ulla prudentia uel humana, utrum ea, quae dicta sunt, ueritate fulta sint, utrum tu ipse in Manichaei uestri defensione defeceris, sicut adparet, et quando uolueris, esto quod nondum es, et desine esse quod es.

Felix said: “If we are in our own choice, let no one force anyone; when I wish, I will be a Christian. The will lies with us, either to be a Christian or not to be.” Augustine said: “That the will lies with us is plain, and I have taught this from the divine scriptures; even the one who led you into this error was compelled to say it, though unwilling. As for your saying, ‘Let no one be forced; when I wish, I will be a Christian’ — plainly no one forces you; be one when you wish, since you came here of your own will and have argued these things of your own will. And woe to the will if it is evil; peace to the good will if it is good. For whether it is evil or good, it is will. A crown follows the good will, punishment follows the evil will. God is the judge of wills, but the creator of natures. If, then, you think you are being forced to be a Christian, hear from us that you are not forced at all. Rather consider what you hear, weigh it; you are in your own will. Examine as a prudent man — if there is in you any prudence, even human — whether what has been said is supported by truth, and whether you yourself have failed in the defense of your Mani, as appears; and when you wish, be what you are not yet, and cease to be what you are.”

Rom 7:18 (echo, medium confidence) · Luke 2:14 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Felix insists that no one should be forced to become a Christian; Augustine agrees that he is not forced and urges him to weigh the arguments freely.

  • Felix's remark reflects the imperial laws then in force against the Manichees; Augustine affirms that he is under no compulsion in the debate.

Topics: Heresy, Ethics

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.12 (CSEL 25.2:841–842; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.13CSEL 25.2:842–843

FEL. dixit: Ecce iam compendiue, ut dixit sanctitas tua, ne chartas cumulemus: si tibi placet, quod petiui pridem, huc ueni; ostende mihi ueritatem, ut illud, quod teneo, pareat, quia ueritas non est, et habes me paratum ad credendum. AUG. dixit: Iam quidem quod tenes, satis adparet, quia ueritas non est. absit enim a cordibus ueritatem quaerentium uel tenentium, ut credant deum substantiam suam necessitate coactum mersisse daemonum naturae ligandam atque polluendam; absit a fidelibus credere deum ad liberandam substantiam suam conuertere se in masculos contra feminas et in feminas contra masculos ad eorum concupiscentiam inritandam; absit a fidelibus credere deum substantiam suam, quam ipse daemonibus mersit, postea in aeternum damnare. hoc ergo quia ueritas non est, manifestum est. sed quia uis tibi pro ista falsitate expulsa atque conuicta patefieri ueritatem, si quid de cognoscenda fide catholica adhuc mouet, ab initio fidei poteris erudiri. etenim aptum perceptioni ueritatis incommutabilis facit pia fides: a qua fide quisquis incipere noluerit, superbus foris remanebit et ad id, quo tendit uel quo uult peruenire, perduci non poterit. sed quia iam illa falsitas manifesta est, anathema falsitatem, ut possis incipere aptus esse ad cognoscendam ueritatem.

Felix said: “See, now briefly, as your holiness said, so that we do not pile up papers: if it pleases you, come to what I asked some days ago; show me the truth, so that it may appear that what I hold is not the truth, and you have me ready to believe.” Augustine said: “It is already quite plain that what you hold is not the truth. For far be it from the hearts of those who seek or hold the truth to believe that God, forced by necessity, plunged his substance into the nature of demons to be bound and polluted; far be it from the faithful to believe that God, to free his substance, turns himself into males against females and into females against males to excite their lust; far be it from the faithful to believe that God afterward condemns for ever his own substance, which he himself plunged into the demons. That this is not the truth, then, is plain. But since you wish the truth to be laid open to you, now that this falsehood has been driven out and refuted, if anything still moves you toward learning the catholic faith, you can be instructed from the beginning of faith. For devout faith makes one fit to receive the unchangeable truth; whoever refuses to begin from this faith will remain outside in his pride and cannot be led to what he strives for or wishes to reach. But since that falsehood is now manifest, anathematize the falsehood, so that you can begin to be fit to know the truth.”

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Summary: Felix asks to be shown the truth; Augustine says Manichaean falsehood is plain and invites him to anathematize it and begin from faith.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.13 (CSEL 25.2:842–843; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.14CSEL 25.2:843–844

FEL. dixit: Cum adparuerit mihi; quia mihi non adparet, quia altera mihi non ostensa est, non possum anathemare. AUG. dixit: Anathemandus est error, qui dicit corruptibilem deum, an non est anathemandus? FEL. dixit: Iterum dic. AUG. dixit: Anathemandus est error, qui dicit corruptibilem deum, an non est anathemandus? FEL. dixit: Quaeratur, si dicit. AUG. dixit: Ego hoc interrogaui: qui dicit corruptibilem deum, anathemandus est, an non? FEL. dixit: Qui dicit corruptibilem deum, anathemandus est. hoc mihi obicis? AUG. dixit: Hoc interrogo. FEL. dixit: Corruptibilem deum dicis, non autem quod primo dixisti, quia partem suam dedit aduersariis? AUG. dixit: Interim quod interrogo responde: qui dicit corruptibilem deum esse, anathemandus est, an non? FEL. dixit: Ualde. AUG. dixit: Qui dicit corruptibilem esse naturam et substantiam dei, anathemandus est, an non? FEL. dixit: Non intellexi, quod dixisti. AUG. dixit: Hoc dico, quod omnis homo intellegit, qui non se fingit non intellegere: naturam et substantiam dei, id est illud ipsum, quicquid est deus, qui dicit corruptibilem esse, anathemandus est, an non? FEL. dixit: Etiam anathemandus est. si probatum fuerit esse uerum. AUG. dixit: Nondum tibi dixi. quia Manichaeus dicit corruptibilem naturam dei: sed hoc tibi dixi, quia quicumque hoc dicit, anathemandus est FEL. dixit: Et ego respondi: etiam.

Felix said: “When it has appeared to me. Since it does not appear to me, since another has not been shown to me, I cannot anathematize.” Augustine said: “Is the error that says God is corruptible to be anathematized, or not?” Felix said: “Say it again.” Augustine said: “Is the error that says God is corruptible to be anathematized, or not?” Felix said: “Let it be inquired whether he says so.” Augustine said: “I asked this: is one who says God is corruptible to be anathematized, or not?” Felix said: “One who says God is corruptible is to be anathematized. Is this what you charge against me?” Augustine said: “This is what I ask.” Felix said: “You speak of a corruptible God, and not of what you said at first, that he gave a part of himself to his adversaries?” Augustine said: “Meanwhile answer what I ask: is one who says that God is corruptible to be anathematized, or not?” Felix said: “Very much so.” Augustine said: “Is one who says that the nature and substance of God is corruptible to be anathematized, or not?” Felix said: “I did not understand what you said.” Augustine said: “I say what every person understands who does not pretend not to understand: is one who says that the nature and substance of God — that is, whatever God himself is — is corruptible to be anathematized, or not?” Felix said: “Yes, he is to be anathematized, if it is proved to be true.” Augustine said: “I have not yet said to you that Mani says the nature of God is corruptible; but I said to you that whoever says this is to be anathematized.” Felix said: “And I answered: yes.”

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Summary: Augustine leads Felix to agree that anyone who says the nature and substance of God is corruptible must be anathematized.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.14 (CSEL 25.2:843–844; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.15CSEL 25.2:844–845

AUG. dixit: Pars illa, quae mixta est genti tenebrarum, de dei natura est, an de alia aliqua natura? FEL. dixit: De dei. AUG. dixit: Quod de dei natura est, hoc est, quod deus est, an aliud quid. quod non est deus? FEL dixit: Ita est. quod de deo est. deus est, secundum quod et scriptum est: lux lucet in tenebris et tenebrae eam non conprehenderunt; deus enim lumen est et tenebrae in eo non sunt. AUG. dixit: Bene respondisti, quia et quicquid de dei natura est, deus est et deus lux est et tenebrae in eo non sunt; et talis lux luxit in tenebris et tenebrae eam non conprehenderunt. uideamus ergo, utrum Manichaeus partem dei non dicat conprehensam a tenebris, non etiam teneri ligatam, non etiam maculatam et pollutam, sic ut indigeat misericordia liberatoris et purgatoris. si autem haec dicit, secundum te etiam et secundum ueras confessiones tuas anathemandus est, quia partem dei et naturam dei, quod est ipse deus, dicit conprehensam a tenebris et ligatam et pollutam: quod tu ipse secundum euangelium loquens non potuisti dicere; sed uerum dixisti, quia lux lucet in tenebris et tenebrae eam non conprehenderunt. Manichaeus ergo anathemandus, qui dixit, quia lux tenebrata est in tenebris et tenebrae eam conprehenderunt,. FEL. dixit: Sed et qui polluitur et qui tenetur, liberatur; et nos si polluti sumus, mundamur. AUG. dixit: Sed hoc de dei natura non recte dicitur. sed de illa, quae pollui potest, recte dicitur, quia polluitur et mundatur; de illa uero, quae pollui non potest, uides cum quanto sacrilegio dicatur polluitur et mundatur, maxime quia sic dicitis quandam dei partem esse pollutam, ut propterea ligetur in aeternum globo tenebrarum, quia non potuit mundari. hoc qui non anathemat, falsum paulo ante respondit, quia omnis, qui dicit corruptibilem deum, anathemandus est.

Augustine said: “Is that part which was mixed with the race of darkness of the nature of God, or of some other nature?” Felix said: “Of God's.” Augustine said: “Is what is of the nature of God what God is, or something else, which is not God?” Felix said: “It is so: what is of God is God, as it is also written: ‘The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it’; for God is light, and in him there is no darkness.” Augustine said: “You answered well, that whatever is of the nature of God is God, and God is light and in him there is no darkness, and such a light shone in the darkness and the darkness did not comprehend it. Let us see, then, whether Mani does not say that a part of God was comprehended by the darkness — and not only that, but held bound, and not only that, but stained and polluted, so that it needs the mercy of a deliverer and cleanser. But if he says these things, then by your account too, and by your true confessions, he is to be anathematized, because he says that a part of God and the nature of God, which is God himself, was comprehended by the darkness and bound and polluted — which you yourself, speaking according to the gospel, could not say; but you said truly, ‘The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.’ Mani, then, is to be anathematized, who said that the light was darkened in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it.” Felix said: “But what is polluted and what is held is set free; and we, if we are polluted, are cleansed.” Augustine said: “But this is not rightly said of the nature of God. Of a nature that can be polluted it is rightly said that it is polluted and cleansed; but of the nature that cannot be polluted, you see with how great a sacrilege it is said that it is polluted and cleansed — especially since you say that a certain part of God is so polluted that for this reason it is bound for ever in the globe of darkness, because it could not be cleansed. One who does not anathematize this answered falsely a little earlier that everyone who says God is corruptible is to be anathematized.”

John 1:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 John 1:5 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Felix concedes that the part of God mixed with darkness is God; Augustine uses John 1:5 to show that Mani, who says the light was comprehended and polluted by darkness, falls under the anathema Felix accepted.

  • Augustine plays on “comprehend” in John 1:5 (Latin conprehendere, also “seize”).

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.15 (CSEL 25.2:844–845; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.2, 1892); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.

2.16CSEL 25.2:845

FEL. dixit: Hoc, quod dixit sanctitas tua, quia pars, quae se non mundauit ab coinquinatione gentis tenebrarum. et sic dicit Manichaeus, quia non sunt missi in regnum dei. hoc enim adseris tu, quia damnati sunt; sed Manichaeus hoc dicit, quia non damnati sunt, sed ad custodiam positi sunt illius gentis tenebrarum. - AUG. dixit: De ista parte tecum ago, quam dicis pollutam purgari: postea, si opus fuerit, de illa, quae figitur in globo eius. interim quae purgatur, polluta erat. FEL. dixit: Quae polluitur, et mundatur. AUG. dixit: Qui ergo dicit naturam dei et substantiam dei et id quod deus est, posse pollui, ligari, inquinari a gente tenebrarum, non est anathemandus? FEL. dixit: Christus unde nos mundauit? unde nos liberauit? AUG. dixit: Christus non partem dei, non naturam dei liberauit, sed facturam, quam fecit, in peccatum cadentem per liberum arbitrium sua misericordia liberauit. eam rem mundauit, quae pollui poterat, eam rem liberauit, quae captiuari poterat, eam rem sanauit, quae infirmari poterat. modo autem de deo, de natura dei, de substantia dei, de eo, quod deus est, loquimur. poterat pollui, an non poterat?

Felix said: “As to what your holiness said about the part that did not cleanse itself from the defilement of the race of darkness — Mani says this too, that they were not sent into the kingdom of God. You assert that they are condemned; but Mani says that they are not condemned, but placed as a guard over that race of darkness.” Augustine said: “I am dealing with you about the part which you say is cleansed after being polluted; afterward, if need be, about the part that is fixed in its globe. Meanwhile, what is cleansed was polluted.” Felix said: “What is polluted is also cleansed.” Augustine said: “Is not one who says that the nature of God and the substance of God and what God is can be polluted, bound, and defiled by the race of darkness to be anathematized, then?” Felix said: “From what did Christ cleanse us? From what did he free us?” Augustine said: “Christ did not free a part of God, nor the nature of God, but in his mercy freed the creature he had made, which had fallen into sin through free choice. He cleansed a thing that could be polluted, he freed a thing that could be taken captive, he healed a thing that could become sick. But now we are speaking of God, of the nature of God, of the substance of God, of what God is. Could it be polluted, or could it not?”

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Summary: Felix says the uncleansed light is not condemned but set to guard the darkness; Augustine distinguishes the creature Christ cleanses from the nature of God, which cannot be polluted.

  • Felix's account of the final state of the unredeemed light is translated as he gives it.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.16 (CSEL 25.2:845; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.2, 1892); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.

2.17CSEL 25.2:845–847

FEL. dixit: Anima nostra ex deo est. quae polluta est? si non est ex deo, utquid pro illa Christus crucifixus est? si ergo paret, quia Christus propter animam nostram crucifixus est, paret, quia ex deo est et polluta erat et ipse eam mundauit. AUG. dixit: Ego non solum animam, sed et corpus nostrum et omnem creaturam et spiritalem et corporalem ex deo dico esse, quia hoc habet catholica fides. sed aliud est, quod de se deus genuit, quod hoc est, quod ipse; aliud autem, quod fecit deus. quod deus genuit, aequale est patri; quod deus fecit. non est aequale conditum conditori. aliud autem dicimus ex deo esse, quod melius dicitur de deo esse, quia hoc est, quod ipse, sicut unigenitus filius, sicut uerbum eius, per quod facta sunt omnia: alia uero sic dicimus ex deo, quia dixit, et facta sunt; mandauit, et constituta sunt. hinc est anima, ex his, quae fecit deus, non illud, quod de se genuit deus. ideo uerbum, quod de se genuit, pollui non potuit nec potest nec poterit. anima uero, quam fecit rectricem corporis, ut seruiret superiori, dominaretur inferiori, id est seruiret deo, dominaretur corpori, contempta dei lege per peccatum polluta est; deus autem misericordiam praestans his, quae fecit, misit filium, per quem fecit, et per illum refecit. quando condendum erat, quod non erat, per uerbum conditum est; quando reficiendum erat, quod deprauatum factum fuerat, suscepta est inde creatura de uirgine Maria, ut per id, quod erat homo, demonstraretur homini, et quid sustinendum et quid sperandum esset. itaque natura uerbi, substantia unigeniti filii dei nihil passa est uel a persecutoribus Iudaeis uel a diabolo angelo malo persequente. sed quia induit se carne, induit se re mortali, re passibili, re mutabili: in eo quod se induit, passus est quicquid uoluit ad exemplum patientiae, et reformauit hoc ad exemplum iustitiae. tu modo dic mihi de dei parte, quod deus est, utrum pollui possit, an non. si potest, non est incommutabilis deus, et qui hoc dicit, anathemandus est. si autem non potest, uides anathemandum Manichaeum esse, qui dicit partem dei, naturam dei, id quod est deus, uenisse huc puram ad gentem tenebrarum ligatam atque pollutam, ut indigeat solui et mundari.

Felix said: “Our soul is from God. Is it not polluted? If it is not from God, why was Christ crucified for it? If, then, it appears that Christ was crucified for our soul, it appears that it is from God and was polluted and he cleansed it.” Augustine said: “I say that not only the soul, but also our body and every creature, both spiritual and bodily, is from God, because the catholic faith holds this. But what God begot of himself, which is what he himself is, is one thing; what God made is another. What God begot is equal to the Father; what God made is not equal, the thing founded to its founder. We say that one thing is from God which is better said to be of God, because it is what he himself is, as the only-begotten Son, as his Word, through whom all things were made; but other things we call from God in this sense, that he spoke and they were made, he commanded and they were established. The soul belongs here, among the things God made, not that which God begot of himself. Therefore the Word, whom he begot of himself, could not, cannot, and will not be able to be polluted. But the soul, which he made to govern the body, so that it should serve the higher and rule the lower — that is, serve God and rule the body — was polluted through sin when it despised God's law; but God, showing mercy to the things he made, sent the Son through whom he made them, and through him remade them. When what was not had to be founded, it was founded through the Word; when what had been made and then depraved had to be remade, a creature was taken up from it, from the virgin Mary, so that through what was man it might be shown to man both what must be endured and what must be hoped for. And so the nature of the Word, the substance of the only-begotten Son of God, suffered nothing, either from the Jewish persecutors or from the devil, the evil angel, persecuting him. But because he clothed himself with flesh, he clothed himself with a mortal thing, a passible thing, a changeable thing; in what he put on he suffered whatever he willed, as an example of patience, and restored it, as an example of righteousness. Now tell me about the part of God, which is God, whether it can be polluted or not. If it can, God is not unchangeable, and whoever says this is to be anathematized. But if it cannot, you see that Mani is to be anathematized, who says that a part of God, the nature of God, what God is, came here pure to the race of darkness and was bound and polluted, so that it needs to be loosed and cleansed.”

John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 148:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 33:9 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine distinguishes what God begot of himself (the Word, equal to him and incapable of pollution) from what he made (the soul and all creatures), which could be polluted by sin and remade through the incarnate Word.

  • Augustine's distinction between the soul as “from God” (made) and the Son as “of God” (begotten) is translated exactly; the reference to “the Jewish persecutors” is his own wording.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): si non est ei deo → si non est ex deo; deo,^ → deo,.

Topics: Heresy, Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Fel. 2.17 (CSEL 25.2:845–847; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-felicem/2-6/#p-2-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.2, 1892); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.