Against Cresconius, a Donatist Grammarian 1.19–1.39
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 52 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Contra Cresconium (CSEL 52, 1909), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 1
1.19CSEL 52:342
Qui enim disputat, uerum quid sit disputando discernit a falso. quod qui non possunt et tamen dialectici uideri uolunt, per insidiosas interrogationes captant incautorum adsensiones, ut ex eorum responsionibus concludant, unde illos uel in aperta falsitate deceptos rideant uel occultam falsitatem deceptis persuadeant, quam plerumque etiam ipsi existimant ueritatem. qui autem uerus disputator est, id est ueritatis a falsitate discretor, primo id apud se ipsum agit, ne non recte discernens ipse fallatur, quod nisi diuinitus adiutus peragere non potest, deinde cum id quod apud se egit ad alios docendos profert, intuetur primitus quid iam certi nouerint, ut ex his eos adducat ad ea quae non nouerant uel credere nolebant, ostendens ea consequentia his, quae iam scientia uel fide retinebant, ut per ea uera, de quibus se perspiciunt consentire, cogantur alia uera quae negauerant adprobare, et sic uerum quod falsum antea putabatur discernatur a falso, cum inuenitur consentaneum illi uero, quod iam antea tenebatur.
For one who disputes distinguishes by disputing what is true from what is false. Those who cannot do this and yet wish to seem dialecticians catch the assent of the unwary by treacherous questions, so as to draw conclusions from their answers by which they may either laugh at them as deceived into open falsehood or persuade them, once deceived, of a hidden falsehood, which they themselves often think is the truth. But the true disputant, that is, the one who distinguishes truth from falsehood, first does this within himself, so that he himself may not be deceived by not distinguishing rightly, which he cannot accomplish unless helped by God. Then, when he brings out to teach others what he has done within himself, he looks first at what they already know for certain, so as to lead them from these to the things they did not know or were unwilling to believe, showing that these follow from what they already held by knowledge or by faith; so that by those truths to which they see they agree they are compelled to approve other truths which they had denied, and so a truth which was previously thought false is distinguished from falsehood when it is found to agree with that truth which was already held before.
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Summary: Augustine describes the true disputant, who first distinguishes truth from falsehood within himself and then leads others from what they know to what follows.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.19 (CSEL 52:342; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.20CSEL 52:342–343
Hoc ille uerus disputator si late diffuseque faciat, eloquenter facit alioque tunc censetur augeturque uocabulo, ut dictor potius quam disputator uocetur, sicut illum locum apostolus copiose dilatat atque diffundit: in omnibus, inquit, commendantes nosmet ipsos ut dei ministros, in multa patientia, in tribulationibus, in angustiis, in plagis. in carceribus, in seditionibus, in laboribus. in uigiliis, in ieiuniis, in castitate, in scientia, in longanimitate, in benignitate, in spiritu sancto. in caritate non ficta, in uerbo ueritatis, in uirtute dei; per arma iustitiae dextra et sinistra, per gloriam et ignobilitatem, per infamiam et bonam famam; ut seductores et ueraces, ut qui ignoramur et cognoscimur, quasi morientes et ecce uiuimus. ut coerciti et non mortificati, ut tristes semper autem gaudentes, sicut egeni multos autem ditantes, tamquam nihil habentes et omnia possidentes. quid enim hoc stilo apostolico uberius et ornatius, id est eloquentius facile inueneris? si autem presse atque constricte, magis eum disputatorem quam dictorem appellare consuerunt, qualiter agit idem apostolus de circumcisione et praeputio patris Abraham uel distinctione legis et gratiae, quod quidam non intellegentes, immo uero calumniantes criminati sunt eum dicere: faciamus mala, ut ueniant bona. siue autem sit dictor siue disputator, nec dictio sine disputatione est, cum et in ipsa eloquentiae latitudine ueritas a falsitate discernitur, nec disputatio potest esse sine dictione. quando utique uerbis et lingua ipsa constrictio sermonis exprimitur, siue illo utatur perpetuo siue interrogando eum cum quo agit cogat respondere quod uerum est et ex hoc ad aliud uerum quod quaerebatur adducat, ubi maxime regnare dialectica dicitur.
If this true disputant does this broadly and expansively, he does it eloquently, and he is then rated and honored with another name, so that he is called a speaker rather than a disputant; as the apostle abundantly enlarges and spreads out that passage: “In all things,” he says, “commending ourselves as ministers of God, in much patience, in tribulations, in hardships, in beatings, in prisons, in riots, in labors, in watchings, in fastings, in chastity, in knowledge, in long-suffering, in kindness, in the Holy Spirit, in unfeigned love, in the word of truth, in the power of God; through the weapons of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, through glory and dishonor, through ill repute and good repute; as deceivers and yet truthful, as unknown and yet known, as dying and behold we live, as punished and not put to death, as sorrowful yet always rejoicing, as poor yet making many rich, as having nothing and possessing all things.” What could you easily find richer and more ornate, that is, more eloquent, than this apostolic style? But if he does it concisely and compactly, they have been accustomed to call him a disputant rather than a speaker, as the same apostle deals with the circumcision and uncircumcision of father Abraham or the distinction of law and grace, about which some, not understanding, or rather slandering, accused him of saying, “Let us do evil, that good may come.” But whether one is a speaker or a disputant, there is neither speech without disputation, since even in the very breadth of eloquence truth is distinguished from falsehood, nor can there be disputation without speech, since the compactness of the discourse is certainly expressed in words and with the tongue, whether he uses continuous speech or, by questioning the one with whom he is dealing, compels him to answer what is true and from this leads him to another truth that was being sought; and there, it is said, dialectic reigns most of all.
2 Cor 6:4 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:5 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:7 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:8 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:9 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 6:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:10 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 3:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine shows from Paul's own writing that eloquence and disputation are two styles of the same truthful speech.
- 2 Cor 6:4–10; Rom 4:9–12; Rom 3:8.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.20 (CSEL 52:342–343; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.21CSEL 52:343–344
Cum enim quisque suis responsionibus conuincitur, et si male respondit non habet quod inputet disputatori sed sibi, et si bene respondit erubescit ulterius resistere non iam disputatori sed sibi. in quo genere dominus cum aduersus Iudaeos crebro ageret eosque illorum responsionibus captos conclusosque conuinceret, non uos audierant nec a uobis conuiciari didicerant; nam libentius et inuidiosius eum fortasse dialecticum quam Samaritanum appellarent. quomodo enim putes eos contortos atque confusos, cum uolentes eum capere in uerbo priores interrogauerunt, utrum liceret tributum reddere Caesari, bicipiti uidelicet conplexione insidiantes, ut quodlibet eligens caperetur, si licere responderet, tamquam reus esset aduersus populum dei, si autem diceret non licere, tamquam Caesaris aduersarius puniretur? ubi ille nummum sibi poposcit ostendi et interrogauit, cuius haberet imaginem et inscriptionem. at illi cum respondissent: Caesaris — aperta enim ueritas hoc eos respondere cogebat —, continuo dominus eorum responsione colligatos ac captos trahens: reddite, inquit, Caesari quae Caesaris sunt et deo quae dei sunt. obsecro te, illine fuerunt dialectici, qui praetentis interrogationis insidiis decipiendo superare moliti sunt, an ille potius, qui ex hoc ipso quod interrogauerunt ueram eorum responsionem prudentia interrogationis eliciens illud uerum. quod ab eo putabant periculose dici, ipsos conpulit confiteri?
For when someone is refuted by his own answers, if he answered badly he has nothing to blame on the disputant but himself, and if he answered well he is ashamed to resist further, no longer the disputant but himself. When the Lord frequently dealt in this way with the Jews, and refuted them caught and hemmed in by their own answers, they had not heard you, nor learned from you to revile; for perhaps they would more gladly and more invidiously have called him a dialectician than a Samaritan. For how twisted and confounded do you think they were when, wishing to catch him in his speech, they asked him first whether it was lawful to pay tribute to Caesar, laying a trap with a two-headed dilemma, so that whichever he chose he would be caught: if he answered that it was lawful, he would be guilty as against the people of God; if he said it was not lawful, he would be punished as Caesar's adversary? Then he asked that a coin be shown him and asked whose image and inscription it bore. And when they answered, “Caesar's” (for the plain truth compelled them to answer this), at once the Lord, drawing them bound and caught by their own answer, said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” I ask you, were they the dialecticians, who tried to overcome him by deceit with the snares of a question held out, or rather he, who from the very thing they asked, drawing out their true answer by the prudence of his question, compelled them themselves to confess that truth which they thought it would be dangerous for him to say?
Matt 22:15 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:19 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:20 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 22:21 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:48 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine cites Christ's answer about tribute to Caesar as a model of drawing the truth from opponents by questions.
- Matt 22:15–21; John 8:48 (“Samaritan”).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: l for I.): aduersus ludaeos → aduersus Iudaeos.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.21 (CSEL 52:343–344; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.22CSEL 52:344–345
Si illos dixeris fuisse dialecticos, quia dolose. quia calumniose, quia malitiose interrogando in uerbo capere cupiebant — tales enim etiam nos uultis uideri —, cur eis tamen dominus respondit? cur eos usque ad ueritatis confessionem reddita ratione perduxit? cur eis dixit: quid me temptatis. hypocritae? et non addidit dialectici? cur sibi nummum demonstrari flagitauit, ut sententiam suam ueracem exprimeret etiam de ore fallacium, ac non potius ait: abscedite; neque enim loquendum est uobiscum, quia captiosas interrogationes proponitis, quia dialectice mecum agere uultis? nihil tale dixit nec aduersus captiosos interrogatores et uerborum nostrorum callidos captatores exemplum nobis tale proposuit, sed ut eos potius etiam ueritatis inimicos uigilanti interrogatione et inuicta ratione testimonium ueritati perhibere cogamus. hoc nobis faciant uestri. si nos malitiosi et dialectici sumus. an se timere indicant, ne hoc eis nos potius faciamus? si autem Christum dixeris dialecticum, laudabis dialecticam, quam mihi pro crimine obieceras.
If you say that they were the dialecticians, because they wished to catch him in his speech by asking deceitfully, slanderously, maliciously (for that is what you want us too to appear to be), why then did the Lord answer them? Why did he lead them, by the reason he gave, to the point of confessing the truth? Why did he say to them, “Why do you tempt me, hypocrites?” and did not add “dialecticians”? Why did he demand that a coin be shown him, so as to draw out his true judgment even from the mouth of deceivers, and did he not rather say, “Go away; I must not speak with you, because you put forward captious questions, because you wish to deal with me dialectically”? He said nothing of the kind, nor did he set us such an example against captious questioners and crafty catchers of our words; but rather that we should compel them, even the enemies of the truth, by watchful questioning and unconquerable reason to bear witness to the truth. Let your people do this to us, if we are malicious and dialecticians. Or do they show that they fear that we will rather do this to them? But if you say that Christ was a dialectician, you will be praising the dialectic which you had cast at me as a crime.
Matt 22:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 22:19 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that Christ did not refuse to answer captious questioners but compelled them to confess the truth.
- Matt 22:18–19.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.22 (CSEL 52:344–345; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.23CSEL 52:345–346
Quod ne facias, uideo quid fortasse dicturus sis, nec illos nec illum in ea sermocinatione aliquid egisse dialectice. si ergo nec illi, qui captiose atque insidiose sermocinantur, ut in uerbo decipiant eos cum quibus agunt, nec illi, qui tales eorum responsione conuincunt. dialectice agunt, dic nobis tandem quid sit dialectica, et quantum mali habeat, quantum noceat. quam fugienda sit doce, cuius nomen inuidiose subicis ignorantibus, crimen ostende quaerentibus. non uis fateri quod dialectice agat, qui homines auersos a uero perite recteque interrogans ex responsionibus eorum adducit ad uerum, ne dialectice cum Iudaeis etiam Christum egisse fatearis; item non uis illos agere dialectice, qui captiosis interrogationibus insidiantes respondentem decipere moliuntur, ne tibi ostendatur ita cum Christo egisse Iudaeos, quos tamen ille non declinauit tacendo, sed potius loquendo superauit, ac sic cogaris fateri non recte episcopos uestros, quos doctos atque sapientes putes. etiam cum dialecticis nolle habere sermonem, quo inuictam doceant ueritatem. uideo, magnos aestus pateris, quomodo definias dialecticum, ut nec peritus disputator sit, ne quod uituperasti laudare cogaris, nec insidiosus uerborum captator, ne tibi dicatur: sicut egit cum talibus Christus, sic agat cum isto christianus. proinde si placet ista cura liberari, eum defini esse dialecticum, cum quo legis periti de parte Donati nolunt habere conloquium. quid enim tibi aliud suggerendum est, homini obicienti nobis dialecticam et ideo praedicanti episcopos suos, quod nobiscum nolint habere sermonem?
To avoid doing that, I see what you will perhaps say: that neither they nor he did anything dialectically in that conversation. If, then, neither those who converse captiously and treacherously in order to deceive in speech those with whom they deal, nor those who refute such people by their own answer, act dialectically, tell us at last what dialectic is, and how much evil it has, how much harm it does. Teach how it is to be shunned, whose name you invidiously throw out to the ignorant; show its crime to those who ask. You do not wish to admit that one acts dialectically who, by questioning skillfully and rightly people turned away from the truth, leads them by their own answers to the truth, lest you admit that Christ too acted dialectically with the Jews. Likewise you do not wish those to act dialectically who, laying snares with captious questions, try to deceive the one who answers, lest it be shown you that the Jews dealt thus with Christ, whom he nevertheless did not avoid by keeping silent but rather overcame by speaking; and so you would be compelled to admit that your bishops, whom you think learned and wise, do not do right in refusing to hold discourse even with dialecticians, so as to teach the unconquerable truth. I see you are in great agitation about how to define a dialectician, so that he is neither a skilled disputant, lest you be compelled to praise what you have blamed, nor a treacherous catcher of words, lest it be said to you: as Christ dealt with such men, so let a Christian deal with this one. Accordingly, if you wish to be freed from this worry, define the dialectician as the man with whom the experts in the law of the party of Donatus refuse to hold a conference. For what else can be suggested to you, a man who casts dialectic at us and therefore praises his own bishops for refusing to hold discourse with us?
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Summary: Augustine presses Cresconius to define dialectic, showing that any definition either praises Christ's method or condemns the Donatist bishops' refusal to debate.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.23 (CSEL 52:345–346; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.24CSEL 52:346
Sed de Iudaeis fortasse inuenis quid dicas, quamuis callide atque uersute dolos interrogationum praetenderint, non eos fuisse dialecticos. de Stoicis certe nihil dici potest, qui non solum dialectici fuerunt, sed etiam ceteras philosophorum sectas in hac uel arte uel facultate uicerunt. Stoicus quippe, ut mecum recolis, fuit ille Chrysippus, de quo Academicus Carneades hanc habebat sententiam, ut, quando cum illo sibi esset disputandum, helleboro purgandum cor esse censeret, ceteros autem uel pransus facile superaret. si ergo nos libri Stoicorum dialectice disputare docuerunt, doctrinam Pauli contra nos proferant episcopi uestri. secum tamen nos conferre patiantur, sicut ipsos tunc Stoicos ille non reppulit.
But about the Jews you will perhaps find something to say: that although they held out the snares of their questions cleverly and craftily, they were not dialecticians. About the Stoics, certainly, nothing of the kind can be said; they were not only dialecticians but surpassed the other sects of philosophers in this art or ability. For, as you recall with me, Chrysippus was a Stoic, of whom Carneades the Academic held the opinion that, whenever he had to dispute with him, he judged his heart needed purging with hellebore, whereas he could easily overcome the others even after lunch. If, then, the books of the Stoics taught us to dispute dialectically, let your bishops bring forth the teaching of Paul against us; yet let them allow us to confer with them, as he did not repel those very Stoics at that time.
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Summary: Augustine notes that the Stoics were the foremost dialecticians, yet Paul did not refuse to confer with them.
- The anecdote of Carneades purging himself with hellebore before disputing with Chrysippus is told by Valerius Maximus 8.7 ext. 5 (not on the extrabiblical list).
Extrabiblical texts: Chrysippus, testimony (Chrysippus; echo)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.24 (CSEL 52:346; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.25CSEL 52:346–347
Hanc enim artem, quam dialecticam uocant, quae nihil aliud docet quam consequentia. demonstrare seu uera ueris seu falsa falsis, numquam doctrina christiana formidat, sicut eam in Stoicis non formidauit apostolus, quos secum uolentes conferre non respuit. et ipsa enim fatetur et uerum est neminem a disputante ad conclusionem falsam consequenter inpelli, nisi prius consenserit falsis, quibus eadem conclusio uelit nolit efficitur. ac per hoc qui cauet, ne se loquentem consequantur falsa quae non uult, uolens falsa caueat quae praecedunt. si autem praecedentibus ueris inhaeserit. quaecumque consequentia perspexerit, quae falsa existimabat uel de quibus dubitabat, admonitus amplectatur, si ueritati est pacatissimae amicior quam contentiosissimae uanitati.
For Christian teaching never fears this art which they call dialectic, which teaches nothing else than to demonstrate consequences, whether of true things from true or false from false; just as the apostle did not fear it in the Stoics, whom he did not reject when they wished to confer with him. For dialectic itself admits, and it is true, that no one is driven by a disputant logically to a false conclusion unless he has first agreed to false premises, from which that conclusion follows whether he will or not. And therefore whoever takes care that false things he does not want should not follow from what he says, let him willingly beware of the false things that come before. But if he holds to true premises, whatever consequences he sees, which he thought false or about which he was in doubt, let him embrace them once he is shown them, if he is more a friend of truth, which is most peaceable, than of vanity, which is most contentious.
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Summary: Augustine says dialectic only shows what follows from premises, so Christian teaching need not fear it.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.25 (CSEL 52:346–347; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.26CSEL 52:347
Parum egerim, nisi hoc quod dico in hac eadem quae inter nos uertitur nostra sermocinatione monstrauero. ecce in ea ipsa quaestione de baptismo tu proposuisti, a me requirens ubi te baptizari conueniat, utrum apud nos an in parte Donati. et quia intentio tua est in parte Donati hominem potius baptizari oportere, hanc intentionem hinc probare. conatus es, quod etiam nos esse illic baptismum non negamus. uides certe id te agere uoluisse, ut ex eo quod concedimus ad id quod non concedebamus attrahamur. id est ut, quia concedimus esse illic baptismum, etiam illic esse hominem baptizandum concedere conpellamur.
I would have done little unless I showed what I am saying in this very conversation of ours that is going on between us. See, in that very question about baptism, you put it forward, asking me where it is fitting for you to be baptized, with us or in the party of Donatus. And because your contention is that a man ought rather to be baptized in the party of Donatus, you tried to prove this contention from the fact that we too do not deny that baptism exists there. You surely see that what you wanted to do was that from what we grant we should be drawn to what we did not grant: that is, that because we grant that baptism exists there, we should be compelled to grant also that a man ought to be baptized there.
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Summary: Augustine sets out Cresconius's argument that, since Catholics admit Donatist baptism is real, one should be baptized among the Donatists.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.26 (CSEL 52:347; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.27CSEL 52:347–348
Considera diligenter, si est hoc consequens, et tibi ipse responde. puto enim iam hoc ante oculos constituto cernis pro ingenii tui uiuacitate, quam non consequentia pro consequentibus colligas. nam re uera dicimus baptismum et illic esse, sed non dicimus et prodesse, immo uero dicimus et obesse. cum autem quaeritur, ubi quisque debeat baptizari. credo propter illud quaeri quod dominus ait: nisi quis renatus fuerit ex aqua et spiritu, non intrabit in regnum caelorum. quia ergo propter hanc utilitatem accipiendus est baptismus, cum quaeritur ubi accipiendus sit, non quaeritur ubi sit, sed ubi ad regnum caelorum adipiscendum utilis sit. sequeretur autem etiam illic accipiendum esse ubicumque eum constat esse, si omnes, qui habent aliquid boni, etiam bono suo habere doceretur. cum uero tam multi tam multa bona habeant malo suo, quis non uideat, cum quaeritur ubi aliquid accipiendum sit, non quaeri ubi sit, sed ubi prosit? quomodo enim, si mihi concederes bonum esse aurum. concederes etiam latrones quoque habere aurum, non opinor uelles, ut ex his duobus concessis concluderem eum, qui habere aurum uelit, in latronum societate esse oportere, ita, cum et ego concedo bonum esse baptismum, concedo etiam Donatistas quoque habere baptismum, non debes ex his duobus concessis quasi sequatur concludere eum, qui habere baptismum uelit, in societate Donatistarum esse debere.,
Consider carefully whether this follows, and answer yourself. For I think that, now that this is set before your eyes, you see with your lively wit how you are gathering things that do not follow as though they followed. For in truth we say that baptism exists there too, but we do not say that it profits; on the contrary, we say that it harms. Now when it is asked where anyone ought to be baptized, it is asked, I believe, because of what the Lord says: “Unless one is born again of water and the Spirit, he will not enter the kingdom of heaven.” Since, then, baptism is to be received for this benefit, when it is asked where it is to be received, the question is not where it exists, but where it is useful for obtaining the kingdom of heaven. It would follow that it is to be received wherever it is agreed to exist, if all who have something good were shown to have it also to their good. But since so many have so many good things to their harm, who does not see that, when it is asked where something is to be received, the question is not where it exists, but where it profits? For if you granted me that gold is good, and granted also that robbers too have gold, you would not, I think, want me to conclude from these two concessions that one who wishes to have gold ought to be in the company of robbers; so, when I too grant that baptism is good and grant also that the Donatists too have baptism, you ought not to conclude from these two concessions, as though it followed, that one who wishes to have baptism ought to be in the society of the Donatists.
John 3:5 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine answers that baptism exists among the Donatists but does not profit there, just as robbers have gold without its being good to join them.
- John 3:5, in the form “kingdom of heaven”.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.27 (CSEL 52:347–348; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.28CSEL 52:348
Iam ex hoc etiam tibi ipsi occurrere multa non dubito. quae quamuis bona sint et ad utile aliquid instituta. non omnibus tamen habentibus sint utilia, sed tantummodo bene utentibus. nam cum eadem luce et sani oculi perfunduntur et saucii, istis adiumentum est, illis tormentum; idem cibus alias ualitudines alit alias laedit. idem medicamentum hos curat illos debilitat, eadem arma alios muniunt alios inpediunt, eadem uestis aliis tegimento est aliis inplicamento. sic et baptismus aliis ualet ad regnum aliis ad iudicium.
From this I do not doubt that many things will now occur to you yourself which, though they are good and established for some useful purpose, are yet not useful to all who have them, but only to those who use them well. For when sound eyes and wounded eyes are flooded with the same light, it is a help to the one and a torment to the other; the same food nourishes some states of health and harms others; the same medicine cures some and weakens others; the same arms protect some and hinder others; the same garment is a covering to some and an entanglement to others. So too baptism avails some for the kingdom and others for judgment.
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Summary: Augustine gives examples of good things that help some and harm others, as baptism does.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.28 (CSEL 52:348; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.29CSEL 52:348–349
Hic uideo quid te possit mouere. fortasse enim dicis, quod in his omnibus nihil sacramenti commemorauerim: baptismus autem sanctum sacramentum est, et ideo non esse consequens, ut, si de auro de luce de alimentis armamentis indumentis probari potuit, quod aliis habentibus apta sint aliis inconuenientia, quamuis sint bona et ad utile aliquid instituta, continuo etiam baptismus aliis prosit aliis obsit habentibus. restat ergo adhuc requirere, utrum etiam illa bona, quae ad legem dei pertinent, non omnia omnibus prosint habentibus. hac quaestione proposita intentio nostra est, quod nec ipsa omnia omnibus habentibus prosunt. hanc intentionem, nostram uide quemadmodum probemus ex consensionibus uestris. conceditis enim in omnibus credendum esse apostolo Paulo — teneo unum —, conceditis etiam eundem apostolum dixisse: bona est lex, (si quis ea legitime utatur: ex) his duobus conficitur bonam esse legem, sed legitime utentibus. si ergo ea non legitime quisque usus fuerit, non ipsa fit mala, sed certe oberit malis.
Here I see what may move you. For perhaps you say that in all these I have mentioned nothing of a sacrament; but baptism is a holy sacrament, and so it does not follow that, if it could be proved of gold, of light, of food, arms, and clothing that they are suitable for some who have them and unsuitable for others, though they are good and established for some useful purpose, therefore baptism too profits some who have it and harms others. It remains, then, still to ask whether those good things too that belong to the law of God do not all profit all who have them. With this question put forward, our contention is that not even these all profit all who have them. See how we prove this contention of ours from your own agreements. You grant that the apostle Paul is to be believed in everything; I hold one premise. You grant also that the same apostle said, “The law is good, if one uses it lawfully.” From these two it is concluded that the law is good, but for those who use it lawfully. If, then, anyone has not used it lawfully, it does not itself become evil, but it will certainly harm the evil.
1 Tim 1:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from 1 Tim 1:8 that even good things belonging to God's law harm those who misuse them.
- 1 Tim 1:8. The words in round brackets are the editor's supplements.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Hyphenated word split in the digital text.): ha-. bentibus → habentibus.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.29 (CSEL 52:348–349; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.30CSEL 52:349–351
Fortasse dices neminem posse et in lege esse et lege male uti; hoc ipso enim, quod contra legem uiuit, non esse in lege monstratur. contra ego dico fieri posse, ut quisque et in lege sit et (ea) non legitime utatur. quod item uestris concessionibus probo. conceditis enim memoratum apostolum testimonium posuisse de psalmis aduersus eos, qui gloriabantur in lege et uiuebant contra legem: sicut scriptum est, inquit, quia non est iustus quisquam, non est intellegens, non est inquirens deum; omnes declinauerunt, simul inutiles facti sunt; non est qui faciat bonum, non est usque ad unum. sepulchrum patens est guttur eorum, linguis suis dolose agebant, uenenum aspidum sub labiis eorum quorum os maledictione et amaritudine plenum est. ueloces pedes eorum ad effundendum sanguinem. contritio et infelicitas in uiis eorum. et uiam pacis non cognouerunt. non est timor dei ante oculos eorum. et ne putarent haec in eos dicta, qui non erant in lege, continuo subiecit: scimus autem quoniam quaecumque lex dicit his qui in lege sunt loquitur, ut omne os obstruatur et reus fiat omnis mundus deo. item alio loco dicit: quid ergo dicemus? lex peccatum est? absit; sed peccatum non cognoui nisi per legem; nam concupiscentiam nesciebam, nisi lex diceret: non concupisces. occasione autem accepta peccatum per mandatum operatum est in me omnem concupiscentiam. item paulo post: peccatum, inquit, accepta occasione per mandatum fefellit me et per illud occidit. itaque lex quidem sancta, et mandatum sanctum et iustum et bonum. quod ergo bonum est mihi factum est mors? absit; sed peccatum, ut appareat peccatum, per bonum mihi operatum est mortem. attendis quemadmodum lege laudata eos qui in lege sunt arguit, quotquot ea male utendo per bonum habebant malum? item ipse apostolus scientiam quandam ex lege, quam et se habere dicebat et alios, sine caritate tamen inutilem dicit et noxiam: de sacrificiis, inquit, idolorum scimus quia omnes scientiam habemus. scientia inflat, caritas uero aedificat. proinde et ista scientia, quamuis ad legem dei pertineat, si in aliquo sine caritate fuerit, inflat et nocet. quid? de ipso corpore et sanguine domini, unico sacrificio pro salute nostra, quoniam ipse dominus dicit: nisi quis manducauerit carnem meam et biberit sanguinem meum, non habebit in se uitam, nonne idem apostolus docet etiam hoc perniciosum male utentibus fieri? ait enim: quicumque manducauerit indigne et biberit calicem domini indigne, reus erit corporis et sanguinis domini.
Perhaps you will say that no one can both be in the law and use the law badly; for by the very fact that he lives against the law, he is shown not to be in the law. On the contrary, I say it can happen that a person is both in the law and does not use it lawfully. This too I prove by your concessions. For you grant that the apostle we have mentioned set down a testimony from the Psalms against those who boasted in the law and lived against the law: “As it is written,” he says, “there is none righteous, none who understands, none who seeks God. All have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, not even one. Their throat is an open tomb; with their tongues they acted deceitfully; the poison of asps is under their lips; their mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood; ruin and misery are in their ways, and the way of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes.” And so that they should not think this was said against those who were not in the law, he at once added, “Now we know that whatever the law says, it speaks to those who are in the law, so that every mouth may be stopped and the whole world become guilty before God.” Likewise in another place he says, “What then shall we say? Is the law sin? By no means. But I did not know sin except through the law; for I would not have known covetousness if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet.’ But sin, taking occasion through the commandment, worked in me all covetousness.” Again a little later: “Sin,” he says, “taking occasion through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Did what is good, then, become death to me? By no means; but sin, that it might appear as sin, worked death in me through what is good.” Do you notice how, while praising the law, he convicts those who are in the law, all who by using it badly had evil through good? Likewise the apostle himself says that a certain knowledge from the law, which he said both he and others had, is useless and harmful without love: “About sacrifices to idols,” he says, “we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up.” So this knowledge too, though it belongs to the law of God, puffs up and harms if it is in anyone without love. What then? Of the very body and blood of the Lord, the one sacrifice for our salvation (since the Lord himself says, “Unless one eats my flesh and drinks my blood, he will not have life in him”), does not the same apostle teach that this too becomes destructive to those who use it badly? For he says, “Whoever eats unworthily and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.”
Rom 3:10 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:16 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:18 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 3:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 7:13 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:1 (quotation, high confidence) · John 6:53 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 11:27 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine shows from Paul that the law, knowledge, and even the Lord's body and blood harm those who use them badly.
- Rom 3:10–19 (a chain from Pss 14:1–3; 5:9; 140:3; 10:7; Isa 59:7–8; Ps 36:1); Rom 7:7–8, 11–13; 1 Cor 8:1; John 6:53; 1 Cor 11:27.
Topics: Eucharist
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.30 (CSEL 52:349–351; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.31CSEL 52:351
Ecce quemadmodum obsunt diuina et sancta male utentibus; cur non hoc modo et baptismus? cur non ita in bono baptismo non sunt boni haeretici, quomodo in bona lege non sunt boni Iudaei? iam certe probaui concedentibus uobis, quandoquidem Paulo uos credere et testimonia quae de scripturis posui Paulum dixisse conceditis, iam ergo probaui concessionibus uestris quaedam etiam bona legitima obesse tamen non legitime habentibus et utentibus; cur non ita et baptismus quamuis bonus et legitimus non tamen omnibus habentibus prodest? tu quare tamquam certissimum et consequentissimum concludebas in parte Donati esse hominem baptizandum, quia nos etiam ibi esse concedimus baptismum, nec adtendebas posse nos dicere esse ibi quidem baptismum Christi iustum, sanctum et bonum, sed poenalem contrarium perniciosum inimicis corporis Christi, quod est ecclesia, quae secundum promissa diuina in omnibus gentibus dilatatur?
See how divine and holy things harm those who use them badly; why not baptism too in this way? Why are heretics not good in a good baptism in the same way that Jews are not good in a good law? I have certainly now proved it with your agreement, since you grant that you believe Paul and that Paul said the testimonies I set down from the Scriptures; I have now proved, then, by your concessions, that certain good and lawful things nevertheless harm those who have and use them unlawfully. Why then does baptism too, though good and lawful, not profit all who have it? Why did you conclude, as most certain and most consequent, that a man must be baptized in the party of Donatus because we grant that baptism exists there too, and did not notice that we can say that the baptism of Christ there is indeed just, holy, and good, but penal, adverse, and destructive to the enemies of the body of Christ, which is the church, which according to the divine promises is spread through all nations?
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Summary: Augustine concludes that baptism, though holy, harms heretics who have it outside the church, as the good law did not make the Jews good.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.31 (CSEL 52:351; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.32CSEL 52:351–352
Numquid hic quod dicas inuenies nisi non in eis bonis ad dei legem pertinentibus deputandum esse baptismum, quae possunt homines et habere et boni non esse, sed ipsam quidem legem et scientiam et sacrificium corporis et sanguinis Christi talia bona esse, quae possint homines et habere et mali esse, baptismum uero tale bonum esse, quod quisquis habuerit necessario bonus sit? quod si dicere uolueritis, falsum dicetis, et ideo quid aliud falsum consequatur adtende. quod non ideo commemorabo, ut ex illo tuo falso ad alia falsa te adducam, sed ut hoc consequens cum falsum esse cognoueris, ut ab hoc te liberes, illud quod praecedit emendes. quid ergo praecedit? ex uobis omnes, qui habent bonum baptismum, bonos esse. quod est falsum euidens, quo consequitur bonos fuisse scilicet illos, qui schismata faciebant dicentes: ego quidem sum Pauli, ego autem Cephae. ego autem Christi, quos arguens apostolus ait: diuisus est Christus? numquid Paulus pro uobis crucifixus est, aut in nomine Pauli baptizati estis? sed falsum est quod isti boni erant exceptis eis qui dicebant: ego autem Christi), et tamen baptizati erant sancto baptismo Christi. hoc itaque falsum quare secutum est? quia falsum praecessit omnes habentes bonum baptismum bonos esse. utrumque ergo respuatur, utraque sententia corrigatur, ut, quoniam manifestum est istos, qui schismata faciebant, bonos non fuisse et tamen bono baptismo baptizatos fuisse, illud etiam manifestum sit non omnes, qui bonum habent baptismum, bonos esse. ac per hoc non ideo tenemur, ut in parte Donati baptizandum esse aliquem concedamus, quia et partem Donati, quam malam dicimus, bonum baptismum habere concedimus.
Will you find anything to say here except that baptism is not to be counted among those good things belonging to the law of God which people can both have and not be good; but that the law itself, knowledge, and the sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ are such goods as people can both have and be evil, whereas baptism is such a good that whoever has it is necessarily good? If you wish to say this, you will say what is false; and so notice what other falsehood follows. I will not mention it in order to lead you from that falsehood of yours to other falsehoods, but so that, when you recognize that this consequence is false, you may free yourself from it by correcting what comes before. What, then, comes before? On your view, that all who have a good baptism are good. This is evidently false; from it follows that those were good who were making schisms, saying, “I am of Paul, I of Cephas, I of Christ,” whom the apostle rebukes, saying, “Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you, or were you baptized in the name of Paul?” But it is false that these were good (excepting those who said, “I am of Christ”), and yet they had been baptized with the holy baptism of Christ. Why, then, did this falsehood follow? Because a falsehood went before: that all who have a good baptism are good. Let both, then, be rejected, let both statements be corrected, so that, since it is plain that those who were making schisms were not good and yet had been baptized with a good baptism, this too may be plain: that not all who have a good baptism are good. And therefore we are not bound to grant that anyone should be baptized in the party of Donatus because we grant that the party of Donatus, which we call evil, has a good baptism.
1 Cor 1:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:13 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine refutes the premise that all who have a good baptism are good, using the Corinthian factions as proof.
- 1 Cor 1:12–13.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.32 (CSEL 52:351–352; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.33CSEL 52:352–353
Rursus ut ex ea consensione me ad id quod non consentio detineres, posuisti scriptum esse: unus deus, una fides, unum baptisma, una incorrupta et uera catholica ecclesia. quae omnia concedo, etsi aliquanto aliter scripta sunt. sed quid ad rem, cum omnia sicut dixi ista concedam? uerum quod ex his conaris efficere non efficitur, uidelicet ut, qui non sunt in una ecclesia, non possint habere unum baptismum, quod omnino falsissimum est. et melius quia et ipse posuisti, unde te possim commemorare quod uolo. certe enim ista proposuisti in concessionibus meis, ex quibus. me adducas ad intentionem tuam, unum deum esse, unam fidem, unum baptismum, unam incorruptam et catholicam ecclesiam. quae cum inter nos conueniant, putas ex his illud quod non conuenit posse monstrari, apud eos qui non sunt in hac una ecclesia hoc unum baptismum esse non posse. ego autem dico posse, si non mutatur, si hoc idem obseruatur, nec ideo fieri ut non sit unum baptisma, quia est et apud illos qui in una non sunt ecclesia. hoc autem probo ex his, quae in eadem sententia posuisti de uno deo et una fide. inuenimus enim eundem deum extra ecclesiam ab ignorantibus coli nec ideo fieri, ut non ipse sit deus, et fidem, qua creditur Christum esse filium dei uiui, inuenimus etiam eos, qui non pertinent ad membra ecclesiae, confiteri nec ideo fieri, ut non sit una fides. sic etiam cum inuenimus eundem baptismum ab eis qui sunt extra ecclesiam in baptizandis hominibus obseruari, non ideo non esse ipsum baptismum existimare debemus.
Again, to hold me from that agreement to what I do not agree to, you set down that it is written: “One God, one faith, one baptism, one incorrupt and true Catholic church.” All of this I grant, though it is written somewhat differently. But what does that matter, since, as I said, I grant all of it? But what you try to derive from it does not follow, namely that those who are not in the one church cannot have the one baptism; which is altogether most false. And it is better so, because you yourself set down that by which I can remind you of what I wish. For you certainly put these forward among my concessions, from which to bring me to your contention: that there is one God, one faith, one baptism, one incorrupt and Catholic church. Since we agree on these, you think that from them can be shown what we do not agree on: that among those who are not in this one church this one baptism cannot exist. But I say that it can, if it is not changed, if it is kept the same; nor does it follow that baptism is not one because it exists also among those who are not in the one church. And this I prove from what you set down in the same sentence about one God and one faith. For we find that the same God is worshiped outside the church by the ignorant, and yet it does not follow that he is not God himself; and the faith by which it is believed that Christ is the Son of the living God, we find confessed even by those who do not belong to the members of the church, and yet it does not follow that it is not the one faith. So too, when we find the same baptism kept in baptizing people by those who are outside the church, we ought not therefore to think that it is not baptism itself.
Eph 4:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 16:16 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from Eph 4:5 that one baptism can exist outside the one church, just as the one God is worshiped and the one faith confessed outside it.
- Eph 4:4–6, cited by Cresconius in a free form.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slips: repeated unus for deus, stray period in fides.): unus unus, una fid.es → unus deus, una fides.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.33 (CSEL 52:352–353; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.34CSEL 52:353–354
Fortasse ad hoc dicas fieri non posse, ut etiam extra ecclesiam idem ipse unus deus colatur aut eadem fides, qua confitemur Christum filium dei, unde Petrus beatus est appellatus, etiam in eis qui non sunt in ecclesia repperiatur. hoc ergo restat ut probem. habes in hoc ipso beati Pauli sermone, quem supra ex Actibus apostolorum commemoraui, cum de deo loqueretur, quia inscriptum in ara inuenerat ignoto deo: quem uos, inquit, ignorantes colitis, hunc ego adnuntio uobis. numquid dixit: (quia extra ecclesiam colitis, non est deus ipse quem colitis? sed ait: quem uos ignorantes colitis, hunc ego adnuntio uobis, quid eis praestare cupiens, nisi ut eundem deum, quem praeter ecclesiam ignoranter atque inutiliter colebant, in ecclesia sapienter et salubriter colerent? ita uobis et nos dicimus: quem baptismum uos ignorantes obseruatis, eius pacem uobis nos (adnuntiamus, non ut, cum ad nos ueneritis, alterum accipiatis, sed ut eum, qui iam apud uos erat, utiliter habeatis. de fide etiam Iacobus apostolus cum loqueretur aduersus eos, qui sibi quod crediderant sufficere arbitrabantur et bene operari nolebant, tu credis, inquit, quoniam unus est deus? bene facis; et daemones credunt et contremescunt. nempe in unitate ecclesiae daemones non sunt, nec ideo tamen possumus dicere aliud esse quod credunt, cum et domino Iesu Christo dixerint: quid nobis et tibi est, fili dei? unde et Paulus apostolus: si habeam, inquit, omnem fidem ita ut montes transferam, caritatem (autem) non habeam, nihil sum. non autem existimo ita quemquam desipere, ut credat ad ecclesiae pertinere unitatem eum qui non habet caritatem. sicut ergo deus unus colitur ignoranter etiam extra ecclesiam nec ideo non est ipse, et fides una habetur sine caritate etiam extra ecclesiam nec ideo non est ipsa, ita et unus baptismus habetur ignoranter et sine caritate etiam extra ecclesiam nec ideo non est ipse. unus enim deus, una fides, unum baptisma, una incorrupta catholica ecclesia, non in qua sola unus deus colitur, sed in qua sola unus deus pie colitur, nec in qua sola una fides retinetur, sed in qua sola una fides cum caritate retinetur, nec in qua sola unus baptismus habetur, sed in qua sola unus baptismus salubriter habetur.
Perhaps to this you will say that it cannot happen that the same one God is worshiped even outside the church, or that the same faith by which we confess Christ the Son of God, for which Peter was called blessed, is found even in those who are not in the church. This, then, remains for me to prove. You have it in that very discourse of blessed Paul which I mentioned above from the Acts of the Apostles, when he spoke of God, because he had found inscribed on an altar, “To an unknown god”: “What you worship in ignorance,” he says, “this I proclaim to you.” Did he say, “Because you worship outside the church, the one you worship is not God himself”? No, he said, “What you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you”; desiring to give them what, if not that they should worship wisely and to their salvation in the church the same God whom they were worshiping ignorantly and uselessly outside the church? So we too say to you: the baptism you keep in ignorance, its peace we proclaim to you; not that when you come to us you should receive another, but that you should have to your profit the one which was already among you. Of faith too, when the apostle James was speaking against those who thought what they had believed was enough for them and would not do good works, he says, “You believe that God is one? You do well; the demons also believe and tremble.” Demons, of course, are not in the unity of the church, and yet we cannot say that what they believe is something else, since they said to the Lord Jesus Christ, “What have we to do with you, Son of God?” Hence the apostle Paul too says, “If I have all faith so as to move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.” And I do not think anyone so foolish as to believe that one who does not have love belongs to the unity of the church. As, then, the one God is worshiped ignorantly even outside the church and yet it is still he, and the one faith is held without love even outside the church and yet it is still that faith, so the one baptism too is had ignorantly and without love even outside the church and yet it is still that baptism. For there is one God, one faith, one baptism, one incorrupt Catholic church: not that in it alone the one God is worshiped, but that in it alone the one God is worshiped piously; not that in it alone the one faith is held, but that in it alone the one faith is held with love; not that in it alone the one baptism is had, but that in it alone the one baptism is had to salvation.
Matt 16:17 (allusion, medium confidence) · Acts 17:23 (quotation, high confidence) · Jas 2:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:29 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 13:2 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 4:5 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from Acts 17, James 2, and 1 Cor 13 that God, faith, and baptism can exist outside the church, but are fruitful only within it.
- Matt 16:16–17; Acts 17:23; Jas 2:19; Matt 8:29; 1 Cor 13:2. Words in round brackets are the editor's supplements.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.34 (CSEL 52:353–354; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.35CSEL 52:354–355
Proinde unum deum, unam fidem, unum baptismum, unam incorruptam et catholicam ecclesiam nobis consentientibus tu proposuisti, sed non solum ex his id quod uolebas non effecisti, uerum etiam ut ex his quod uolebamus te admoneremus nos multum adiuuisti. uide ergo nos quam probabilem rationem sequamur, qui ea, quae schismatici uel haeretici corruperunt, cum ad nos inde ueniunt, corrigimus, quae uero sicut acceperunt tenuerunt, agnoscimus et probamus, ne commoti humanis uitiis ultra iustitiam faciamus ullam diuinis rebus iniuriam, cum et apostolum uideamus etiam in ara gentilium, a quibus idola colebantur, dei nomen inuentum confirmasse potius quam negasse. neque enim propterea mutandus uel inprobandus est regius character in homine, si erroris sui ueniam et militandi ordinem a rege inpetrauerit, quia eundem characterem, quo sibi satellites congregaret, desertor infixit, aut propterea signa mutanda sunt ouibus, cum dominico gregi sociantur, quia eis dominicum signum fugitiuus seruus inpressit.
Accordingly, you put forward, with our agreement, one God, one faith, one baptism, one incorrupt and Catholic church; but not only did you fail to derive from them what you wanted, you even helped us greatly to remind you from them of what we wanted. See, then, how reasonable is the principle we follow: when schismatics or heretics come to us from there, we correct what they have corrupted, but what they have kept as they received it we recognize and approve, so that, moved by human faults, we may not, beyond justice, do any injury to divine things; since we see that the apostle too, finding the name of God even on an altar of the Gentiles, by whom idols were worshiped, confirmed it rather than denied it. For the royal mark on a man is not to be changed or rejected if he has obtained from the king pardon for his error and a place in military service, merely because a deserter stamped that same mark on him in order to gather followers for himself; nor are the brands to be changed on sheep, when they are joined to the Lord's flock, because a runaway slave impressed the Lord's brand on them.
Acts 17:23 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine explains the Catholic practice: correct what schismatics corrupted, but recognize what they kept intact, like the king's mark or the owner's brand.
- The royal mark (character) is the brand or tattoo given to soldiers.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.35 (CSEL 52:354–355; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.36CSEL 52:355–356
Quodsi haec tamquam decipientia formidatis, quia non sunt ecclesiastica exempla, quamquam et de ouibus et de militibus datas esse in scripturis similitudines noueritis, propheticarum scripturarum quae dicuntur ueteris testamenti uolo aliquid dicere, quoniam in noui testamenti libris nec a nobis nec a uobis rei huius inuenitur exemplum. circumcisionem certe praeputii in figura futuri baptismi Christi ab antiquis obseruatam esse negare, ut arbitror, non audetis. numquid apud Samaritanos circumcisus, si fieri tunc uellet Iudaeus, posset iterum circumcidi? nonne illius hominis error corrigeretur, signaculum autem fidei agnitum probaretur? et nunc sunt quidam haeretici qui se Nazarenos uocant, a nonnullis autem Symmachiani appellantur et circumcisionem habent Iudaeorum et baptismum christianorum; ac per hoc quemadmodum, si quis eorum ad Iudaeos uenerit, non potest iterum circumcidi, sic cum ad nos uenerit non debet iterum baptizari. ad hoc dicturi estis: aliud est circumcisio Iudaeorum, aliud baptismus christianorum. sed cum illa umbra fuerit huius ueritatis. cur illa circumcisio et apud haereticos Iudaeorum esse potuit, iste autem baptismus apud haereticos christianorum non potest esse?
But if you dread these comparisons as deceptive because they are not examples from the church (although you know that comparisons drawn from sheep and soldiers are given in the Scriptures), I wish to say something from the prophetic Scriptures which are called the Old Testament, since in the books of the New Testament no example of this matter is found either by us or by you. You do not dare, I think, to deny that the circumcision of the foreskin was observed by the ancients as a figure of the future baptism of Christ. If a man circumcised among the Samaritans had wished at that time to become a Jew, could he have been circumcised again? Would not that man's error have been corrected, but the seal of faith recognized and approved? And now there are certain heretics who call themselves Nazarenes, though some call them Symmachians, and they have both the circumcision of the Jews and the baptism of Christians; and therefore, just as, if one of them comes over to the Jews, he cannot be circumcised again, so when he comes over to us he ought not to be baptized again. To this you will say: the circumcision of the Jews is one thing, the baptism of Christians another. But since the former was the shadow of this truth, why could that circumcision exist even among the heretics of the Jews, while this baptism cannot exist among the heretics of the Christians?
Rom 4:11 (echo, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine argues from circumcision, the figure of baptism, which was not repeated when Samaritans or Nazarenes came over, that baptism should not be repeated either.
- Circumcision as the “seal of faith”: Rom 4:11. On the Nazarenes or Symmachians, a Jewish-Christian group, compare Augustine, Against Faustus 19.4, 17.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.36 (CSEL 52:355–356; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-36). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.37CSEL 52:356–357
Proferte certe aliquem de scripturis canonicis ab haereticis uenientem denuo baptizatum. nam quod iusserunt apostoli quosdam post Iohannis baptismum in Christo baptizari, longe alia causa est. neque enim Iohannes haereticus fuit, amicus ille sponsi quo nemo surrexit maior in natis mulierum. longe ergo alia causa est. alioquin si Paulus post Iohannem baptizauit, cum ambo in unitate Christi fuerint, quanto magis debent episcopi uestri, quia se in unitate Christi esse dicunt, baptizare post collegas suos, in quibus collegis mores aliquos recte reprehendunt, cum hoc fecerit Paulus, qui nihil potuit in Iohanne reprehendere! ergo illa alia causa est, alia ratio, de qua nunc disserere longum est et in aliis nostris opusculis hinc multa iam diximus. ab haereticis ergo uenientem probate in scripturis canonicis denuo baptizatum. nam et nos proferimus Petro dictum: qui lotus est semel non opus habet iterum lauari. sed etiam uos dicitis: Petrus non fuerat apud haereticos baptizatus. proinde quia nec uos potestis proferre de scripturis, quarum nobis est communis auctoritas, ab haereticis uenientem denuo baptizatum nec nos ita susceptum, quantum ad hanc rem adtinet, par nobis causa est.
Bring forward, then, from the canonical Scriptures anyone coming from heretics who was baptized anew. For that the apostles ordered some to be baptized in Christ after the baptism of John is a far different case. For John was not a heretic, that friend of the bridegroom, than whom no one has arisen greater among those born of women. It is a far different case, then. Otherwise, if Paul baptized after John, when both were in the unity of Christ, how much more ought your bishops, since they say they are in the unity of Christ, to baptize after their own colleagues, in whom they rightly find fault with certain morals, since Paul did this who could find nothing to blame in John! That, then, is another case, another principle, which it would take long to discuss now, and on which we have already said much in other short works of ours. Prove, then, from the canonical Scriptures that someone coming from heretics was baptized anew. For we too bring forward what was said to Peter: “He who has been washed once has no need to be washed again.” But you too say: Peter had not been baptized among heretics. Accordingly, since neither can you bring forward from the Scriptures, whose authority is common to us, someone coming from heretics who was baptized anew, nor can we bring forward one received in our way, as far as this matter goes our case is equal.
Acts 19:5 (allusion, high confidence) · John 3:29 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 11:11 (allusion, high confidence) · John 13:10 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine says neither side can cite Scripture for or against rebaptizing those who come from heretics, and Paul's baptizing John's disciples is a different case.
- Acts 19:1–5; John 3:29; Matt 11:11; John 13:10 in the form “once ... again”. Augustine discusses the case of John's baptism at length in On Baptism 5.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip: l for I.): neque enim lohannes → neque enim Iohannes.
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.37 (CSEL 52:356–357; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-37). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.38CSEL 52:357
Verum nos multa ostendimus etiam ad legem dei pertinentia esse apud eos qui non sunt in ecclesia, quae nemo uestrum audet negare; sed cur tale aliquid nolitis et baptismum, omnino non uideo nec uos posse demonstrare confido. sequimur sane nos in hac re etiam canonicarum auctoritatem certissimam scripturarum. neque enim parui momenti habendum est, quod, cum inter episcopos anterioris aetatis, quam esse inciperet pars Donati, ista quaestio fluctuaret et uarias haberet inter se collegarum salua unitate sententias, hoc per uniuersam catholicam, quae toto orbe diffunditur, obseruari placuit quod tenemus. nam et uos profertis concilium Cypriani, quod aut non est factum aut a ceteris unitatis membris, a quibus ille non diuisus est, merito superatum. neque enim propterea sumus Cypriano episcopo meliores, si tamen censuit haereticos denuo baptizari, quia nos hoc recte non facimus, sicut nec Petro apostolo meliores sumus, quia non cogimus gentes iudaizare, quod ille fecisse Paulo apostolo adtestante et corrigente monstratur, cum similiter inter apostolos de circumcisione quaestio, sicut postea de baptismo inter episcopos, non parua difficultate nutaret.
But we have shown that many things belonging to the law of God exist among those who are not in the church, which none of you dares to deny; but why you will not have baptism to be something of that kind, I do not see at all, and I trust you cannot show. Indeed, in this matter we also follow the most certain authority of the canonical Scriptures. For it is not to be thought of small importance that, when among the bishops of the age before the party of Donatus began to exist this question was in flux, and colleagues held different opinions among themselves while unity was preserved, it was decided that what we hold should be observed throughout the whole Catholic church, which is spread over the whole world. For you too bring forward the council of Cyprian, which either was not held or was rightly overruled by the other members of the unity from which he was not divided. Nor are we on that account better than bishop Cyprian, if he indeed judged that heretics should be baptized anew, because we rightly do not do this; just as we are not better than the apostle Peter because we do not compel the Gentiles to live as Jews, which he is shown to have done, as the apostle Paul testifies and corrects; for similarly the question of circumcision among the apostles, like that of baptism later among the bishops, wavered with no small difficulty.
Gal 2:14 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine says the whole church settled the baptism question after a time of differing views, and Cyprian's council does not bind, just as Peter's error was corrected by Paul.
- The council of Carthage of 256 under Cyprian (Sentences of the Bishops). Gal 2:11–14.
Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Sent. whole (The Opinions of the Eighty-Seven Bishops (Council of Carthage, 256); allusion)
Topics: Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.38 (CSEL 52:357; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-38). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.39CSEL 52:357–358
Proinde quamuis huius rei certum de scripturis canonicis non proferatur exemplum, earundem tamen scripturarum etiam in hac re nobis tenetur ueritas, cum hoc facimus quod uniuersae iam placuit ecclesiae, quam ipsarum scripturarum commendat auctoritas, ut, quoniam sancta scriptura fallere non potest, quisquis falli metuit huius obscuritate quaestionis, eandem ecclesiam de illa consulat, quam sine ulla ambiguitate sancta scriptura demonstrat. si autem dubitas, quod ecclesiam, quae per omnes gentes numerositate copiosissima dilatatur, haec sancta scriptura commendat — neque enim si non dubitares, adhuc esses in parte Donati —, multis te et manifestissimis testimoniis ex eadem auctoritate prolatis onerabo, ut ex tuis concessionibus, si nimium peruicax esse nolueris, ad hoc etiam perducaris, cum prius ostendero etiam epistulae meae, cui respondere a contrario uoluisti, nihil te quod ad ueritatem pertineat respondere potuisse.
Accordingly, although no certain example of this matter is brought forward from the canonical Scriptures, yet even in this matter the truth of those same Scriptures is held by us when we do what has now pleased the whole church, which the authority of those Scriptures commends; so that, since holy Scripture cannot deceive, whoever fears to be deceived by the obscurity of this question should consult about it that same church which holy Scripture points out without any ambiguity. But if you doubt that this holy Scripture commends the church which is spread through all nations in most abundant numbers (for if you did not doubt it, you would not still be in the party of Donatus), I will load you with many and most manifest testimonies brought from the same authority, so that from your own concessions, if you do not choose to be too stubborn, you may be led to this too; after I have first shown that you could answer nothing pertaining to the truth even against my letter, which you chose to answer from the opposite side.
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Summary: Augustine says that where Scripture gives no example, one should consult the church that Scripture plainly commends, spread through all nations.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Stray hyphen in the digital text.): etiam -epistulae → etiam epistulae.
Topics: Scripture and canon, Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Cresc. 1.39 (CSEL 52:357–358; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-contra-cresconium/1-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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