Eranistes (The Beggar), or Polymorphus 3.38–3.39

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σταυροῦ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν. Προσήνεγκε γὰρ τὸ πρόδατον» ὅσα εἰς τὸ σῶμα αὐτῷ λογίζεται. --- Τοῦ αὐτοῦ, ἐκ τοῦ αὐτοῦ «όγου. Τὴν ἡμετέραν φύσιν ἦλθε σῶσαι, οὐ τὴν ἑαυτοῦ ἀπολέσαι. ἙἘχλν θελήσω εἰπεῖν ὅτι κάμηλος πέταται, εὐθὺς ξενίζεσθε, ὅτι οὐκ ἀρμόττει τῇ φύσει" καὶ καλῶς ποιεῖτε. Ἐὰν δὲ θελήσω εἰπεῖν ὅτι ἄνθρωποι θάλατταν οἰκοῦσιν, οὐκ φύσις. Ὥσπερ οὖν ἐὰν εἴπω ξένα περὶ τούτων τῶν φύσεων, ξενίζεαθε" οὕτως ἐὰν εἴπω, ὅτι ἐκείνη ἡ δύναμις, ἣ πρὸ αἰώνων, ἡ ἀσώματος τὴν φύσιν, ἡ ἀπαθὴς τὴν ἀξίαν, ἡ οὖσα πρὸς τὸν Πατέρα, ἡ παρὰ τῷ Πατρὶ, ἡ ἐκ δεξιῶν, ἡ ἐν δόξῃ, ἐὰν εἴπω, ὅτι ἐκείνη ἡ φύσις ἡ ἀσώματος πάσχει, οὐκὶ τὰ ὦτα ὑμῶν κρατεῖτε; Ἐὰν μὴ χρατήσητε ὑμῶν τὰ ὦτα; ταῦτα ἀκούοντες, κρατήσω μου τὴν καρδίαν. Αρα ἀγγέλῳ δυνάμεθά τ: ποιῆσαι, οἷον ξίφει χροῦσαι, ἣ ὅλως σχίσαι; Τί λέγω ἀγγέλῳ, ψυχῇ δυνάμεθα; Οὐ δέχεται λον ψυχὴ. οὐ τέμνεται ἡ ψυχὴ, οὐ καίεται. Κἂν εἴπῃ; μοι" Διατῇ; λέγω σοι " Οὕτως γὰρ ἐκτίσθη. Τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ ἀπαθῆ, καὶ αὐτὸς ἐμπαθής; Οὖὐν ἀθετῶ τὴν οἰκονομίαν, ἀσπάζομαι δὲ τὰς χαχουρ- Υἷας. ᾿Απέθανε Χριττὸς ὑπὰρ ἡ μῶν, καὶ ἐσταυρώθη. Οὕτως γέγραπται, οὕτως ἐδέχετο ἡ φύσις, οὔτε τὰ ῥήματα ἀπαλείφω, οὔτε φύσιν β)λασφημῶ, ᾿Αλλ'᾽ οὐκ ἀληθῆ ταῦτα " λεγέσθω τ᾽ ἀληθέστερα. Εὐεργέτῆς οὐ χαλεπαίνων ὁ διδάσκων", οὐκ ἐχθρὸς, ἐὰν μὴ ἀγνώμων ἢ ὁ διδασχόμενας. “Ἔχεις τι χαλὸν εἰπεῖν, ἤνοικται τὰ ὦτα μετὰ χάριτος. Φιλονεικεῖ τις, σχολάζων ἀκολουθῇ φιλονεικίᾳ.;Ἴσχυσαν Ἰουδαῖοι τὸν Υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ σταυρῶσαι, αὑτὴν τὴν δύναμιν νεκρῶσαι; Δύναται ζῶν ἀπαθανεῖν; Ὃ θάνατος τῆς τοιαύτης δυνάμεως, ἔκλειψις αὐτῆς ἐστι. Τὸ σῶμα ἡ μῶν ὅταν ἀποθάνωμεν μένει. Ἐὰν ἐχείνην τὴν δύναμὶν νεχρώσωμεν, εἰς ἀνυπαρξίαν αὐτὴν χαταφέρομεν. Οὐκ οἷδα εἰ οὐκ ἐδυνήθητε ἀκοῦσαι. Τὸ σῶμα ἐὰν ἀποθάνῃ, ἡ ψυχὴ χωρίζεται καὶ μένει. Ἐὰν δὲ ψυχὴ ἀποθάνῃ, ἐπειδὴ ἀσώματός ἔστιν, ὅλως οὐκ ἔστιν. Τυχὴ ἀποθνήσχουσα ὅλως οὐκ ἔστιν " εἰς ἀνυπαρξίαν γάρ ἐστι τῶν ἀθανάτων ὁ θάνατος. Νόησον τὸ ἕτερον. Οὐ γὰρ τολμῶ οὐδὲ εἰπεῖν. Ταῦτα λέγομεν ὡς νοοῦμεν" οὐ νομοθετοῦμεν δὲ, εἴ τις φιλονειχεῖ. Ἕν δὲ οἶδα, ὅτι ἔκαστος ἀφ᾽ ὧν φρονεῖ, ἀπὸ τούτων ἔχει ἀπολαῦσαι" καὶ ἀπέρχεται ἕκαστος μετπρὸς τὸν Θεὸν, καὶ προδάλλεται ὃ εἶπε περὶ αὐτοῦ οἷ, καὶ ἐφρόνησε. Μὴ γὰρ νομίξετε, ὅτι βίάλονς νώσχε: ὁ θεὸς, ἢ μνήμαις ὀχλεῖται, Τί εἶπες, καὶ» Τίς ἥκουσε : Φανερὰ "πάντα. Κάθηται ὁ κριτὴς, φέρεται Παῦλος ὁ ἐνταῦθα (4!). "Ανθρωπόν με εἶπες, οὐκ ἔχεις ζωὴν μετ᾽ ἐμαῦ " ἐπειδὴ οὐκ ἔγνως με, οὐ γινώσκω σε. Προσέρχεται ἄλλος" Εἶπές μὲ ἕν τῶν ὄντων, οὐκ ἔγνως μου τὴν ἀξίαν, οὐ γιγνώσκω σε. Προσέρχεται ἄλλος ' Εἴπες, ὅτι οὐκ ἀν- ᾿ς 86 Ἰιὰμου τῆς ἀθανασίας. Προσῆλθεν ἄχλος " Εἶπες ὅτι οὐκ ἐγεννέθην ἐκ Παρθένον, ἵνα σώσω τὸ σῶμα τῆς Παρθένου, οὐ σωθήσῃ. Ἕχαστος ἀποφέρεται τὰ φρονήματα περὶ πίστεως. Εἶδες καὶ τὴν ἄλλην τῶν ὑμετέρων διδασκάλων συμμορίαν, παρ᾽ ἧς τὸ τὴν θεότητα τοῦ Μονογενοῦς πεπονθένα: μαθεῖν ἐνομίσθητε, τήνδε τὴν βλασφημίαν βδελυττομένην, καὶ τῆς θεότητος τὴν ἀπάθειαν χηρύττουσαν, καὶ τῶν ταύτῃ τὸ πάθος προσαρμόττειν τολμώντων τὴν φάλαγγα χαταλύουσαν.

staurou hyper hēmōn. Prosēnenke gar to prodaton» hosa eis to sōma autǭ logizetai. --- Tou autou, ek tou autou «ogou. Tēn hēmeteran physin ēlthe sōsai, ou tēn heautou apolesai. HeEchln thelēsō eipein hoti kamēlos petatai, euthys xenizesthe, hoti ouk armottei tę̄ physei" kai kalōs poieite. Ean de thelēsō eipein hoti anthrōpoi thalattan oikousin, ouk physis. Hōsper oun ean eipō xena peri toutōn tōn physeōn, xenizeathe" houtōs ean eipō, hoti ekeinē hē dynamis, hē pro aiōnōn, hē asōmatos tēn physin, hē apathēs tēn axian, hē ousa pros ton Patera, hē para tǭ Patri, hē ek dexiōn, hē en doxę̄, ean eipō, hoti ekeinē hē physis hē asōmatos paschei, ouki ta ōta hymōn krateite? Ean mē chratēsēte hymōn ta ōta? tauta akouontes, kratēsō mou tēn kardian. Ara angelǭ dynametha t: poiēsai, hoion xiphei chrousai, hē holōs schisai? Ti legō angelǭ, psychę̄ dynametha? Ou dechetai lon psychē. ou temnetai hē psychē, ou kaietai. Kan eipę̄? moi" Diatę̄? legō soi " Houtōs gar ektisthē. Ta erga autou apathē, kai autos empathēs? Ouyn athetō tēn oikonomian, aspazomai de tas chachour- Huias. ᾿Apethane Chrittos hypar hē mōn, kai estaurōthē. Houtōs gegraptai, houtōs edecheto hē physis, oute ta rhēmata apaleiphō, oute physin b)lasphēmō, ᾿All'᾽ ouk alēthē tauta " legesthō t᾽ alēthestera. Euergetēs ou chalepainōn ho didaskōn", ouk echthros, ean mē agnōmōn ē ho didaschomenas. “Echeis ti chalon eipein, ēnoiktai ta ōta meta charitos. Philoneikei tis, scholazōn akolouthę̄ philoneikią.?Ischysan Ioudaioi ton Huion tou Theou staurōsai, hautēn tēn dynamin nekrōsai? Dynatai zōn apathanein? Ho thanatos tēs toiautēs dynameōs, ekleipsis autēs esti. To sōma hē mōn hotan apothanōmen menei. Ean echeinēn tēn dynamin nechrōsōmen, eis anyparxian autēn chatapheromen. Ouk hoida ei ouk edynēthēte akousai. To sōma ean apothanę̄, hē psychē chōrizetai kai menei. Ean de psychē apothanę̄, epeidē asōmatos estin, holōs ouk estin. Tychē apothnēschousa holōs ouk estin " eis anyparxian gar esti tōn athanatōn ho thanatos. Noēson to heteron. Ou gar tolmō oude eipein. Tauta legomen hōs nooumen" ou nomothetoumen de, ei tis philoneichei. Hen de oida, hoti ekastos aph᾽ hōn phronei, apo toutōn echei apolausai" kai aperchetai hekastos metpros ton Theon, kai prodalletai ho eipe peri autou hoi, kai ephronēse. Mē gar nomixete, hoti bialons nōsche: ho theos, ē mnēmais ochleitai, Ti eipes, kai» Tis hēkouse : Phanera "panta. Kathētai ho kritēs, pheretai Paulos ho entautha (4!). "Anthrōpon me eipes, ouk echeis zōēn met᾽ emau " epeidē ouk egnōs me, ou ginōskō se. Proserchetai allos" Eipes me hen tōn ontōn, ouk egnōs mou tēn axian, ou gignōskō se. Proserchetai allos ' Eipes, hoti ouk an- ᾿s 86 Iiamou tēs athanasias. Prosēlthen achlos " Eipes hoti ouk egennethēn ek Parthenon, hina sōsō to sōma tēs Parthenou, ou sōthēsę̄. Hechastos apopheretai ta phronēmata peri pisteōs. Eides kai tēn allēn tōn hymeterōn didaskalōn symmorian, par᾽ hēs to tēn theotēta tou Monogenous peponthena: mathein enomisthēte, tēnde tēn blasphēmian bdelyttomenēn, kai tēs theotētos tēn apatheian chēryttousan, kai tōn tautę̄ to pathos prosarmottein tolmōntōn tēn phalanga chatalyousan.

cross for us. For he offered the sheep; whatever happens to the body is reckoned to him.” Of the same, from the same discourse. “He came to save our nature, not to destroy his own. If I wish to say that a camel flies, you are at once astonished, because it does not suit its nature; and you do well. And if I wish to say that human beings live in the sea, [you are astonished, for] … nature. Just as, then, when I say strange things about these natures, you are astonished, so if I say that that power which is before the ages, incorporeal in nature, impassible in dignity, which is with the Father, beside the Father, at the right hand, in glory — if I say that that incorporeal nature suffers, do you not hold your ears? If you do not hold your ears on hearing these things, I will hold my heart. Can we do anything to an angel, such as strike it with a sword, or split it at all? Why do I say an angel? Can we do so to a soul? A soul does not receive a nail; the soul is not cut, is not burned. And if you say to me, ‘Why?’ I tell you, ‘Because it was created so.’ Are his works impassible, and is he himself passible? I do not reject the dispensation; I welcome the outrages [he endured]. Christ died for us and was crucified. So it is written, so the nature received it; I neither erase the words nor blaspheme the nature. But [if] these things are not true, let truer things be said. The one who teaches is a benefactor, not harsh; not an enemy, unless the one taught is ungrateful. If you have something good to say, the ears are open with gratitude. If someone is contentious, let him pursue contention at his leisure. Were the Jews able to crucify the Son of God, to put the power itself to death? Can the living one die? The death of such a power is its extinction. Our body remains when we die. If we put that power to death, we bring it to non-existence. I do not know whether you were able to take this in. If the body dies, the soul is separated and remains. But if a soul dies, since it is incorporeal, it no longer exists at all. A soul that dies does not exist at all; for the death of immortal things is into non-existence. Consider the other case; for I do not even dare to say it. We say these things as we understand them; we do not lay down laws, if anyone is contentious. But one thing I know: each will reap the fruit of what he thinks; and each departs with these to God, and puts forward what he said and thought about him. For do not suppose that God knows by books, or is burdened with memories: ‘What did you say, and who heard it?’ All things are plain. The judge sits; Paul, the one from here, is brought forward: ‘You called me a man; you have no life with me. Since you did not know me, I do not know you.’ Another comes forward: ‘You called me one of the things that exist; you did not know my dignity; I do not know you.’ Another comes forward: ‘You said that I did not … of immortality.’ Another came forward: ‘You said that I was not born of the Virgin, so as to save the body of the Virgin: you will not be saved.’ Each carries away his thoughts about the faith.” [Orthodoxos:] You have seen also the other band of your teachers, from whom you were thought to have learned that the Godhead of the Only-begotten suffered, abhorring this blasphemy, and proclaiming the impassibility of the Godhead, and breaking the phalanx of those who dare to attach the passion to it.

Mark 16:19 (allusion, low confidence) · John 1:1 (allusion, low confidence) · Matt 7:23 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 25:12 (allusion, low confidence) · Rom 14:12 (allusion, low confidence)

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Summary: Eusebius of Emesa argues that the incorporeal divine power can no more suffer than an angel or a soul, and imagines heretics answering for their opinions at the judgment; Orthodoxos concludes that even the Arian party denied that the Godhead suffered.

  • Continuation of the quotation of Eusebius of Emesa begun in 3.37; translated as printed. “Paul, the one from here” is probably Paul of Samosata, who taught that Christ was a mere man; the identification is not certain. A few phrases are lost or garbled in the OCR (“…”); “I welcome the outrages [he endured]” renders a doubtful word (κακουργίας). Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed (logged corrections). Allusions: Mark 16:19; John 1:1; Matt 7:23; Matt 25:12; Rom 14:12.

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Topics: Christology, Heresy, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.38 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-38). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).

3.39PG 83

ΕΡΑΝ. Εἶδον, καὶ τοὺς ἀγῶνας ἐθαύμασα, χαι ἄγαμαι τῶν ἐνθυμημάτων καὶ νοημάτων τὸν ἄνδρα.. ὉΡΘ. Οὐκοῦν, ὦ ἀγαθὲ, ζήλωτον τὰς μελίττας, καὶ τῷ νῷ περιποτώμενος τούς τε λειμῶνας τῆς θείας Γραφῆς, καὶ τῶν πανευφήμων Πατέρων τὰ ἄνθη τὰ ἀξιέραστα, ὕφηνον ἡμῖν ἐν σαυτῷ τὰ κηρία «ἧς πίστεως. Εἰ δὲ που καὶ πόαν εὕροις οὐκ ἐδώδιμον, οὔτε γλυκεῖαν, ὁποῖος οὗτος ᾿Απολινάριος καὶ Σὐσέδιος, ἔχουσαν δὲ τι πρόσφορον εἰς μελιττουργίαν, οὐδὲν ἀπεικὸς, τὸ μὲν χρειῶδες λαβεῖν, καταλιπεῖν δὲ τὸ ὁλαδερόν. Καὶ γὰρ αἱ μέλιτται, δηληὀλέθριον καταλείπουσι, τὸ δὲ οἰκεῖον συλλέγουσι. Ταῦτά σοι, ὦ φιλότης, κατὰ τὸν φιλαδελφίας εἰσἡγούμεθα νόμον. Σὺ δὲ εὖ μὲν ποιήσεις, δεξάμενας τὴν παραίνεσιν. Εἰ δὲ ἀπειθήσαις, ἡμεῖς τὸν ἀποστολικὸν ἐκεῖνον ἐροῦμεν λόγον « Καθχροὶ ἡμεῖς.» Διεστειλάθα γὰρ κατὰ τὸν προφήτην, ὡς προσετάχθημεν. Τὰ

ERAN. Eidon, kai tous agōnas ethaumasa, chai agamai tōn enthymēmatōn kai noēmatōn ton andra.. HoRTh. Oukoun, ō agathe, zēlōton tas melittas, kai tǭ nǭ peripotōmenos tous te leimōnas tēs theias Graphēs, kai tōn paneuphēmōn Paterōn ta anthē ta axierasta, hyphēnon hēmin en sautǭ ta kēria «hēs pisteōs. Ei de pou kai poan heurois ouk edōdimon, oute glykeian, hopoios houtos ᾿Apolinarios kai Sysedios, echousan de ti prosphoron eis melittourgian, ouden apeikos, to men chreiōdes labein, katalipein de to holaderon. Kai gar hai melittai, dēlēolethrion kataleipousi, to de oikeion syllegousi. Tauta soi, ō philotēs, kata ton philadelphias eisēgoumetha nomon. Sy de eu men poiēseis, dexamenas tēn parainesin. Ei de apeithēsais, hēmeis ton apostolikon ekeinon eroumen logon « Kathchroi hēmeis.» Diesteilatha gar kata ton prophētēn, hōs prosetachthēmen. Ta

Eranistes: I have seen them, and I marvelled at his contests, and I admire the man for his arguments and thoughts. Orthodoxos: Then, my good friend, imitate the bees: flying in mind around the meadows of the divine Scripture and the lovely flowers of the all-praised Fathers, weave for us in yourself the honeycombs of the faith. And if anywhere you find a plant that is neither fit to eat nor sweet, such as this Apollinarius and Eusebius, but has something useful for making honey, there is nothing unreasonable in taking what is useful and leaving what is harmful. For the bees too leave what is deadly and gather what is proper to them. These things, my friend, we put before you according to the law of brotherly love. You will do well to accept the exhortation. But if you disobey, we shall say that apostolic word: “We are clean.” For we have warned you, as the prophet says, as we were commanded.

Acts 20:26 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 18:6 (allusion, low confidence) · Ezek 3:19 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ezek 33:9 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Orthodoxos ends the third dialogue by urging Eranistes to gather what is useful from Scripture and the Fathers, as bees do, and declares himself clear of responsibility if he refuses.

  • End of the third dialogue. Migne’s Latin column read as Greek letters has been removed after the last sentence (logged correction); the word that follows it in the OCR (Τὰ) belongs to the heading of the epilogue. Allusions: Acts 20:26 (cf. Acts 18:6); Ezek 3:18–21; Ezek 33:9.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Migne's Latin column read as Greek letters): δἰν" αΐο ιν ἱρὴ ργβάϊοαγο, οἱ θογιπὶ ααὶ τὶ υκ- ᾽)ὶς Αροϊ!μᾶγὶυ5 ἐΐ ΕΌΒΟΌἢ 5, αὐ {|| 6 ἰδ θη 0510. → .

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Theodoret, Eran. 3.39 (PG 83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/theodoret-eranistes/3-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Greek as printed in Migne PG 83 (archive.org OCR); no public-domain or FOTC English exists, so every section was re-read against the Greek (dialogues 1-2 partly by the translator and partly in a separate review pass).