On the Soul and Its Origin 1.32–2.12

Latin text: Urba–Zycha, CSEL 60 (Latin text: Urba–Zycha, De natura et origine animae (CSEL 60), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 5 (1887), "A Treatise on the Soul and its Origin.".

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Chapter 1

1.32CSEL 60:332–333

Quae cum ita sint, uideo librum istum iam esse claudendum. omnia quippe, quae mihi maxime necessaria uidebantur, continet, quibus hi qui legerint sciant cauere se debere, ne huic homini, cuius duos libros mihi misisti, in hoc consentiant, ut credant animas sic ex dei flatu esse, ut non sint ex nihilo. hoc enim qui credit, etsi uerbis neget, re ipsa clamat animas dei habere substantiam et ipsius genus esse non munere, sed natura. nam de quo quisque naturae suae originem ducit, de illo naturae suae genus ducere negari sobrie nullo pacto potest. iste autem ita sibi est ipse contrarius, ut genus dei esse animas dicat non natura, sed munere et tamen non factas ex nihilo, sed ex illo dicat originem ducere; ac sic eas, quod prius negauerat, ad dei naturam reuocare non dubitat.

This being so, I see that this book must now be closed. For it contains all that seemed to me most necessary, so that those who read it may know that they must take care not to agree with this man, whose two books you sent me, in believing that souls are from God’s breath in such a way that they are not from nothing. For whoever believes this, even if he denies it in words, in fact proclaims that souls have the substance of God and are his offspring not by gift but by nature. For it can by no means soberly be denied that one derives the kind of one’s nature from that from which one derives the origin of one’s nature. But this man so contradicts himself that he says souls are God’s offspring not by nature but by gift, and yet says they were not made from nothing but derive their origin from him; and so he does not hesitate to bring them back to the nature of God, which he had denied before.

Acts 17:28 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine closes by warning that souls from God’s breath, not from nothing, would be divine by nature.

  • “Offspring” (genus) alludes to Acts 17:28–29.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.32 (CSEL 60:332–333; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-1-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.33CSEL 60:333

Animarum autem nouarum sine propagine insufflationem defendi quidem minime prohibemus, sed ab eis qui potuerint aliquid inuenire uel in canonicis libris, quod non sit ambiguum dissoluendae huic obligatissimae quaestioni, uel in ratiocinationibus suis. quod non sit contrarium catholicae ueritati, non a talibus qualis iste apparuit, qui non inueniendo quid diceret et deliberationem suam nolendo suspendere uires suas omnino non metiens, ne taceret, ausus est dicere inquinari animam meruisse per carnem et esse meruisse animam peccatricem, cuius nullum meritum, seu bonum seu malum, ante carnem potuit inuenire, et paruulis sine baptismo de corpore exeuntibus solui posse originale peccatum et offerendum pro eis sacrificium corporis Christi, qui Christo non sunt incorporati per eius sacramenta in eius ecclesia, eosque sine lauacro regenerationis de hac uita migrantes non ad requiem tantum ire, sed ad regnum caelorum posse etiam peruenire et alia multum absurda. quae omnia colligere atque in isto libro digerere longum uisum est. absit ergo, ut animarum propago, si falsa est, a talibus refellatur et animarum nouarum insufflatio, si uera est, a talibus defendatur.

We do not at all forbid the inbreathing of new souls without propagation to be defended, but by those who can find something either in the canonical books which is not ambiguous for untying this most entangled question, or in their own reasonings which is not contrary to catholic truth; not by such a one as this man has shown himself to be, who, not finding what to say and unwilling to suspend his deliberation, not measuring his strength at all, dared—rather than keep silent—to say that the soul deserved to be defiled through the flesh and deserved to be sinful, though he could find no desert of it, good or bad, before the flesh; that original sin can be loosed for little children who leave the body without baptism; that the sacrifice of the body of Christ should be offered for those who have not been incorporated into Christ by his sacraments in his church; that those who depart this life without the washing of regeneration not only go to rest but can even reach the kingdom of heaven; and many other very absurd things, which it seemed too long to collect and set out in this book. Far be it, then, that the propagation of souls, if it is false, should be refuted by such people, and the inbreathing of new souls, if it is true, defended by such people.

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Summary: The view of new souls may be defended, but not in Victor’s way, whose errors Augustine lists.

Topics: Baptism, Eucharist

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.33 (CSEL 60:333; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-1-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.34CSEL 60:333–334

Quamobrem quicumque uolunt defendere, quod dicuntur animae nouae nascentibus insufflari, non de parentibus trahi, aliquid illorum quattuor, quae supra commemoraui, caueant omni modo, hoc est: ne dicant a deo fieri animas peccatrices per alienum originale peccatum; ne dicant paruulos, qui sine baptismo exierint. peruenire posse ad uitam aeternam regnumque caelorum originali peccato per quodlibet aliud resoluto; ne dicant animas peccasse alicubi ante carnem et hoc merito in carnem peccatricem fuisse detrusas; ne dicant peccata, quae in eis inuenta non sunt, quia praescita sunt, merito fuisse punita, cum ad eam uitam, ubi ea committerent, permissae non fuerint peruenire. nihil ergo istorum quattuor dicentes, quoniam quodlibet eorum falsum atque impium est, inueniant etiam scripturarum de hac re certissima testimonia et hanc sententiam suam non solum me non uetante, uerum etiam fauente et gratias agente defendant. si autem non inueniunt certissimam de hac re auctoritatem diuinorum eloquiorum et aliquid illorum quattuor per inopiam dicere conpelluntur, cohibeant se, ne per ipsam inopiam etiam paruulorum animas non habere originale peccatum secundum Pelagianam heresim olim damnabilem nuperrimeque damnatam dicere conpellantur. melius est enim homini fateri se nescire quod nescit quam in heresim uel damnatam incurrere uel nouam condere, dum temere audet defensare quod nescit. alia huius hominis falsa et absurda, in quibus non tam periculose, uerum tamen a tramite ueritatis exorbitat, quoniam multa sunt, et ad ipsum etiam, si dominus uoluerit, aliquid de libris eius uolo scribere; ibi forsitan omnia uel, si omnia non potuero, plurima ostendam.

Therefore, whoever wishes to defend the view that new souls are breathed into those being born, not drawn from parents, let them in every way beware of any of those four things I mentioned above; that is, let them not say that souls are made sinful by God through another’s original sin; let them not say that little children who have departed without baptism can reach eternal life and the kingdom of heaven, original sin having been loosed by some other means; let them not say that souls sinned somewhere before the flesh and for this desert were thrust down into sinful flesh; let them not say that sins not found in them were deservedly punished because they were foreknown, although they were not permitted to reach the life in which they would commit them. Saying none of these four things, then, since each of them is false and impious, let them also find the most certain testimonies of the Scriptures on this matter, and let them defend this opinion of theirs not only without my forbidding it but even with my favour and thanks. But if they do not find a most certain authority of the divine oracles on this matter, and are compelled by want to say one of those four things, let them restrain themselves, lest through that very want they be compelled to say also that the souls of little children do not have original sin, according to the Pelagian heresy, long deserving condemnation and very recently condemned. For it is better for a man to confess that he does not know what he does not know than either to fall into a condemned heresy or to found a new one while rashly daring to defend what he does not know. As for the other false and absurd things of this man, in which he strays from the path of truth not so dangerously but still strays, since they are many, and since I wish, if the Lord wills, to write something to him too about his books, I shall there perhaps show them all, or, if I cannot show all, most of them.

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Summary: Defenders of new souls must avoid the four errors and find certain Scripture, or else confess ignorance rather than fall into Pelagianism.

  • “Very recently condemned”: the condemnation of Pelagianism in 418.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR garble; OCR: i for r): eloquioium → eloquiorum; pa: uulorum → paruulorum.

Topics: Baptism, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.34 (CSEL 60:333–334; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-1-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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1.35CSEL 60:334–336

Istum autem librum, quem ad te potius, qui curam et fidei nostrae et existimationis meae ut uerus catholicus et bonus amicus fideliter benigneque gessisti, quam ad alium quemquam scribendum putaui, tu legendum dabis uel describendum quibus potueris uel quibus dandum esse iudicaueris. in quo istius iuuenis praesumptionem ita reprimendam et redarguendam putaui, ut tamen eum diligam nec damnari, sed emendari uelim atque ita proficere in domo magna. quae est catholica ecclesia, quo eum misericordia diuina perduxit. ut sit in illa uas in honore sanctificatum, utile domino, ad omne opus bonum semper paratum et bene uiuendo et sana dicendo. porro autem si ipsum oportet ut diligam, sicut facio, quanto magis te, frater, cuius erga me beniuolentiam et cuius catholicam fidem cautam et sobriam optime noui! unde factum est, ut eos libros, qui tibi displicuerunt et in quibus nomen meum aliter quam uelles positum comperisti, describendos mihique mittendos uere fraterna planeque sincera dilectione curares. tantum ergo abest, ut hinc tuae caritati succenseam, quia fecisti, ut potius, nisi fecisses, integro iure amicitiae succensere deberem. ago itaque uberes gratias. quemadmodum autem acceperim factum tuum, hinc manifestius indicaui, quod hunc ad te librum, mox ut illos legi, sine aliqua dilatione conscripsi.

This book, which I thought should be written to you rather than to anyone else, since you have taken care of our faith and of my reputation faithfully and kindly as a true catholic and a good friend, you will give to be read or copied to those you can, or to those to whom you judge it should be given. In it I thought the presumption of this young man should be checked and refuted in such a way that I nevertheless love him and wish him not to be condemned but corrected, and so to make progress in the great house, which is the catholic church, to which the divine mercy has brought him, that he may be in it a vessel for honour, sanctified, useful to the Lord, always ready for every good work, both by living well and by speaking soundly. Moreover, if I ought to love him, as I do, how much more you, brother, whose goodwill toward me and whose cautious and sober catholic faith I know very well! Hence it came about that, with truly brotherly and plainly sincere love, you took care to have those books, which displeased you and in which you found my name placed otherwise than you would wish, copied and sent to me. So far am I, then, from being angry with your charity because you did this, that rather, if you had not done it, I should have had every right of friendship to be angry. I therefore give you abundant thanks. And how I received what you did I have shown the more plainly by writing this book to you without any delay as soon as I had read those books.

2 Tim 2:20 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Tim 2:21 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine sends the book to Renatus for circulation, hopes for Victor’s correction, and thanks Renatus.

  • 2 Tim 2:20–21.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; OCR: n for u): iudicaucris → iudicaueris; optime noni → optime noui.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 1.35 (CSEL 60:334–336; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-1-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 2

2.1CSEL 60:336

Peruenerunt ad me duo libri Vincentii Victoris, quos ad tuam sanctitatem scripsit, mittente mihi eos fratre nostro Renato, homine quidem laico, sed pro sua fide et eorum quos diligit prudenter religioseque sollicito. quibus lectis uidi hominem in sermone quidem non solum usque ad sufficientiam, uerum etiam usque ad redundantiam profluentem, sed in rebus, de quibus loqui uoluit, nondum sicut oportet instructum; quod si ei fuerit domino donante conlatum, poterit esse utilis pluribus. habet enim non minimum facultatis, qua possit explicare atque ornare quae sentit, si prius det operam recta sentire. ualde quippe sunt noxia praua diserta, quia hominibus minus eruditis eo quod diserta sunt uidentur et uera. quomodo autem eosdem libros ipse acceperis nescio; uerum tamen, si uerum est quod audiui, diceris eis recitatis ita exiluisse laetitia, ut caput iuuenis illius senex et laici presbyter osculatus didicisse te quod ignorabas gratias egeris. ubi quidem non inprobo humilitatem tuam, immo uero etiam laudo, quod honorasti doctorem tuum nec hominem, sed ipsam quae tibi per illum loqui dignata est ueritatem, si tamen potueris demonstrare, quid per illum ueritatis acceperis. uellem itaque rescriptis tuis quid te docuerit me doceres. absit enim, ut erubescam a presbytero discere, si a laico tu non erubuisti praedicanda et imitanda humilitate, si uera didicisti.

Two books of Vincentius Victor, which he wrote to your holiness, have reached me; our brother Renatus sent them to me, a layman indeed, but prudently and devoutly concerned for his own faith and that of those he loves. Having read them, I saw a man flowing in speech not only to sufficiency but even to overflowing, but not yet instructed as he ought to be in the matters he chose to speak about; if this is granted him by the Lord’s gift, he will be able to be useful to many. For he has no small ability by which to set out and adorn what he thinks, if he first takes pains to think rightly. For perverse things eloquently put are very harmful, because to less educated people they seem true because they are eloquent. How you yourself received these books I do not know; but if what I have heard is true, you are said, when they were read aloud, to have leapt up with such joy that you, an old man, kissed the head of that young man, and you, a presbyter, that of a layman, and thanked him for teaching you what you did not know. In this indeed I do not disapprove of your humility; rather, I even praise it, that you honoured your teacher, and not the man but the truth itself which deigned to speak to you through him—provided, however, that you can show what truth you received through him. So I should like you to teach me in your reply what he taught you. For far be it from me to blush to learn from a presbyter, if you did not blush to learn from a layman, with a humility to be proclaimed and imitated, if you learned true things.

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Summary: Augustine writes to the presbyter Peter, who reportedly kissed Victor and thanked him for what he learned, asking what exactly he learned.

  • Book 2 is addressed to the presbyter Peter, to whom Victor had written his two books.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.1 (CSEL 60:336; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.2CSEL 60:336–337

Proinde. frater dilectissime, quid ab eo didiceris nosse cupio, ut, si iam id sciebam, gratuler pro te, si autem nesciebam, discam per te. itane tu ignorabas duo quaedam esse animam et spiritum — secundum id quod scriptum est: absoluisti ab spiritu meo animam meam - et utrumque ad naturam hominis pertinere, ut totus homo sit spiritus et anima et corpus, sed aliquando duo ista simul nomine animae nuncupari — quale est illud: et factus est homo in animam uiuam; ibi quippe et spiritus intellegitur — itemque aliquando utrumque nomine spiritus dici — sicuti est: et inclinato capite tradidit spiritum, ubi et anima necesse est intellegatur — et utrumque unius esse substantiae? puto quod ista iam sciebas; si autem nesciebas, non te aliquid, quod magno periculo nescitur, didicisse scias. et si quid hinc subtilius disputandum est, melius cum ipso agitur, cuius iam nouimus et eloquium: utrum, cum dicitur anima, ita ut simul intellegatur et spiritus, utrumque anima sit, spiritus autem aliquid animae sit, an, sicut ei uisum est, a parte totum appelletur hoc nomine, siue etiam utrumque spiritus sit, pars uero eius sit, quae proprie dicitur anima, an et hoc a parte totum uocetur, quando ita dicitur spiritus, ut simul intellegatur et anima; sic enim huic placet. uerum ista, ut dixi, et subtiliter disseruntur et sine ullo uel certe sine magno periculo nesciuntur.

So, dearly beloved brother, I want to know what you learned from him, so that, if I already knew it, I may congratulate you, and if I did not know it, I may learn it through you. Did you then not know that soul and spirit are two particular things—according to what is written, “You have released my soul from my spirit”—and that both belong to the nature of man, so that the whole man is spirit and soul and body; but that sometimes these two are together called by the name of soul—as in “and man became a living soul”, for there the spirit too is understood—and likewise that sometimes both are called by the name of spirit—as in “and bowing his head he gave up the spirit”, where the soul too must be understood—and that both are of one substance? I think you already knew these things; but if you did not, know that you have not learned anything which is dangerous not to know. And if anything here needs subtler discussion, it is better done with him, whose eloquence we already know: whether, when the word soul is used so that the spirit is understood at the same time, both are soul, and the spirit is something of the soul, or whether, as he thought, the whole is called by this name from a part; or again whether both are spirit, and part of it is what is properly called soul, or whether this too is called the whole from a part when the word spirit is used so that the soul is understood at the same time—for this is his view. But these things, as I said, are discussed subtly and are not known without any danger, or at least without great danger.

Job 7:15 (quotation, low confidence) · Gen 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · John 19:30 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: If Peter learned that soul and spirit are distinct yet named interchangeably, he learned nothing dangerous to be ignorant of.

  • “You have released my soul from my spirit”: probably Job 7:15 in the Greek (Augustine’s Old Latin); identification uncertain. Gen 2:7; John 19:30.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (joined words): absoluistiab → absoluisti ab.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.2 (CSEL 60:336–337; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.3CSEL 60:337–338

Itemque alios esse corporis, alios autem animae sensus, miror, si iste te docuit; et tu homo id aetatis et honoris, antequam istum audires, unum atque idem putabas esse, quo album nigrumque discernitur, quod nobiscum uident etiam passeres, et quo iustum atque iniustum diiudicatur, quod uidebat Tobis etiam carnis luminibus perditis. hoc si ita est, profecto, quando audiebas uel legebas: inlumina oculos meos, ne umquam obdormiam in mortem. non nisi carnis oculos cogitabas. aut si hoc obscurum est, certe, quando illud apostoli recolebas: inluminatos oculos cordis uestri, nos sub fronte et supra buccas cor habere credebas. absit, ut de te hoc sentiam; neque hoc te igitur iste docuit.

Likewise, I should be surprised if he taught you that some senses belong to the body and others to the soul, and that you, a man of such age and rank, thought before you heard him that that by which white and black are distinguished—which even sparrows see along with us—is one and the same as that by which just and unjust are discerned, which Tobit saw even when he had lost the lights of his flesh. If that is so, then certainly, when you heard or read, “Enlighten my eyes, lest I ever fall asleep in death”, you thought only of the eyes of the flesh. Or if this is obscure, certainly, when you recalled that saying of the apostle, “the eyes of your heart enlightened”, you believed that we have a heart under the forehead and above the cheeks. Far be it from me to think this of you; so he did not teach you this either.

Ps 13:3 (12:4 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 1:18 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Peter surely knew already that the soul has senses distinct from the body’s.

  • Tobit’s blindness (Tob 2:10); Ps 13:3 (Vulg. 12:4); Eph 1:18.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (repeated syllable): in inlumina oculos → inlumina oculos.

Extrabiblical texts: Tob 2:10 (Tobit [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.3 (CSEL 60:337–338; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.4CSEL 60:338

Aut si forte ante huius doctrinam, quam modo te inuenisse laetaris, animae naturam dei putabas esse portionem, hoc plane cum horrendo periculo falsum esse nesciebas. et si ab isto didicisti, quod anima portio dei non sit, age deo gratias, quantas potes, quod non, antequam hoc didicisti, de corpore existi; exisses enim magnus hereticus et blasphemator horrendus. nullo modo tamen etiam id de te existimauerim, quod homo catholicus neque contemptibilis presbyter animae naturam portionem dei sentiebas esse. unde, fateor dilectioni tuae, timeo, ne forte hoc te iste docuerit, quod potius sit contrarium ei fidei quam tenebas.

Or if perhaps, before this man’s teaching, which you now rejoice to have found, you thought that the nature of the soul was a portion of God, you plainly did not know, to your horrible danger, that this is false. And if you learned from him that the soul is not a portion of God, give God all the thanks you can that you did not leave the body before you learned it; for you would have left it a great heretic and a horrible blasphemer. Yet I would by no means think even this of you, that you, a catholic man and a presbyter not to be despised, held the nature of the soul to be a portion of God. Hence, I confess to your love, I fear that he may perhaps have taught you what is rather contrary to the faith you held.

Notes and citation

Summary: Peter cannot have needed Victor to learn that the soul is not part of God; Augustine fears rather that he learned an error.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.4 (CSEL 60:338; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.5CSEL 60:338–339

Sicut enim non arbitror te umquam in catholica animam credidisse dei esse portionem uel ullo modo animae et dei eandem esse naturam, ita metuo, ne forte consenseris huic homini, quod animam deus non de nihilo fecerit, sed ita ex ipso sit, ut ab ipso emanauerit; hoc enim etiam uerbum iste posuit inter cetera, quibus in hac quaestione ad immane praecipitium exorbitauit. at uero hoc si te docuit, nolo me doceas; immo etiam uolo ut quod didiceras ipse dediscas. parum est enim non credere neque dicere quod pars dei sit anima — neque enim et filium uel spiritum sanctum partem dei esse dicimus, et tamen dicimus patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum unius eiusdemque esse naturae —, parum est ergo, ut non dicamus animam esse partem dei; sed hoc etiam opus est ut dicamus non eam et deum unius eiusdemque esse naturae. unde ille recte quidem ait genus dei esse animas munere, non natura ac per hoc non omnium, sed fidelium; sed rursus ad id quod declinauerat deuolutus est et deum atque animam eiusdem dixit esse naturae, non quidem his uerbis, sed aperta manifestaque sententia. cum enim animam ita esse dicit ex deo, ut eam nec ex alia natura nec ex nihilo, sed ex semet ipso creauerit, quid persuadere conatur nisi id quod aliis uerbis negat, animam scilicet eiusdem cuius deus est esse naturae? omnis quippe natura uel deus est, qui nullum habet auctorem, uel ex deo est, quia ipsum habet auctorem. sed quae habet auctorem deum, ex quo est, aliqua facta non est, aliqua facta est. porro quae facta non est et tamen ex ipso est, aut genita est ab illo aut procedit ex illo — quae genita est, filius est unicus, quae procedit, spiritus sanctus — et haec trinitas unius est eiusdemque naturae; nam haec tria unum sunt et singulum quidque deus et simul omnia unus deus inmutabilis, sempiternus, sine temporis ullo initio siue termino. at uero illa natura, quae facta est, creatura nuncupatur, creator autem deus, illa scilicet trinitas. creatura ergo ita esse dicitur ex deo, ut non ex eius natura facta sit; ex illo enim propterea dicitur. quia ipsum auctorem habet ut sit, non ita, ut ab illo nata sit uel processerit, sed ab illo creata, condita, facta sit, partim ex nulla alia, id est omnino ex nihilo, sicut caelum et terra uel potius uniuersae mundanae molis uniuersa cum mundo concreata materia, partim uero ex alia iam creata atque exsistente natura, sicut uir ex limo, mulier ex uiro, ex parentibus homo, creatura tamen omnis ex deo, sed creante uel ex nihilo uel ex aliquo, non autem gignente uel producente de se ipso.

For just as I do not think you ever believed in the catholic church that the soul is a portion of God, or that the soul and God are in any way of the same nature, so I fear that you may perhaps have agreed with this man that God did not make the soul from nothing, but that it is from him in such a way that it emanated from him; for he used this very word among the others by which he strayed into an enormous precipice on this question. But if he taught you this, I do not want you to teach it to me; rather, I want you yourself to unlearn what you had learned. For it is not enough not to believe or say that the soul is a part of God—for we do not say that the Son or the Holy Spirit is a part of God, and yet we say that the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are of one and the same nature—it is not enough, then, that we do not say the soul is a part of God; we must also say that it and God are not of one and the same nature. Hence he says rightly that souls are God’s offspring by gift, not by nature, and therefore not all souls but those of the faithful; but again he rolled back to what he had avoided and said that God and the soul are of the same nature, not indeed in these words, but in an open and manifest meaning. For when he says the soul is from God in such a way that he created it neither from another nature nor from nothing, but from himself, what is he trying to persuade us of but what he denies in other words, namely, that the soul is of the same nature as God? For every nature either is God, who has no author, or is from God, because it has him as author. But of the nature that has God as author, from whom it is, some was not made, some was made. Further, that which was not made and yet is from him is either begotten by him or proceeds from him—what is begotten is the only Son, what proceeds is the Holy Spirit—and this Trinity is of one and the same nature; for these three are one, and each is God, and all together are one God, unchangeable, everlasting, without any beginning or end in time. But that nature which was made is called creature, while the Creator is God, namely that Trinity. The creature, then, is said to be from God in such a way that it was not made from his nature; it is said to be from him because it has him as the author of its being, not so that it was born or proceeded from him, but so that it was created, founded, made by him: partly from no other thing, that is, from absolutely nothing, as heaven and earth, or rather the whole matter of the whole mass of the world, created together with the world; partly from another nature already created and existing, as the man from clay, the woman from the man, a human being from parents; yet every creature is from God, but by his creating it either from nothing or from something, not by his begetting or producing it from himself.

Gen 2:7 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 2:22 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Augustine distinguishes what is from God by begetting or procession (the Son and the Spirit, of one nature with the Father) from creatures made by God from nothing or from other creatures.

  • “These three are one” echoes 1 John 5:7–8 in the Latin tradition; uncertain whether Augustine alludes to it here. Gen 2:7, 2:22.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: h for b; split word): ah illo creata → ab illo creata; creat a atque → creata atque.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.5 (CSEL 60:338–339; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.6CSEL 60:339–340

Si haec cum catholico loquor magis commonens quam docens — neque enim esse tibi arbitror noua uel audita quidem et antea, non tamen credita, sed, ut existimo, sic legis epistulam meam, ut hic agnoscas etiam fidem tuam, quae nobis in catholica ecclesia domino donante communis est —, si ergo haec, ut dicere coeperam, cum catholico loquor, unde, obsecro, credis esse animam, non uniuscuiusque nostrum dico, sed primam primo illi homini datam? si ex nihilo et factam tamen insufflatamque a deo, id credis quod ego; si autem ex aliqua alia creatura, quae unde anima fieret tamquam materies subiacebat artifici deo, sicut puluis, unde fieret Adam, uel costa eius, unde Eua, uel sicut aquae, unde pisces et uolucres, uel sicut terra, unde animalia quaeque terrestria, non est catholicum, non est uerum. quodsi neque ex nihilo neque ex alia quacumque creatura, sed ex semet ipso deum, hoc est ex natura sua fecisse uel facere animas — quod absit! — existimas, hoc quidem ab isto didicisti, sed non tibi gratulor neque blandior; longe cum illo a fide catholica exorbitasti. tolerabilius enim — quod quidem falsum est, tamen, ut dixi, tolerabilius — ex aliqua alia creatura, quam quidem iam fecerat deus, quam ex dei natura animam conditam crederes, ut, quod est mutabilis, quod peccat, quod fit impia, quod etiam, si impia perdurauerit in fine, sine fine damnabitur, non ad dei naturam cum horrenda blasphemia referretur. abice, frater, abice, obsecro, istam non plane fidem, sed exsecrandae impietatis errorem, ne homo grauis seductus a iuuene et a laico presbyter, cum istam catholicam fidem esse arbitraris, de numero fidelium — quod a te auertat dominus eximaris. non enim sic tecum agendum est ut cum illo aut ea uenia tuus iste tam horrendus qua iuuenis illius, licet ab illo ad te transierit, error est dignus. ille ouili catholico sanandus nuper accessit, tu in catholicis pastoribus deputaris. nolumus ita curetur quae uenit ab errore ad dominicum gregem, ut prius pestifera contagione disperdat ouis ulcerosa pastorem.

If I speak these things with a catholic, reminding rather than teaching—for I do not think they are new to you, or even heard before but not believed; rather, as I suppose, you read my letter in such a way as to recognize in it your own faith as well, which by the Lord’s gift is common to us in the catholic church—if, then, as I had begun to say, I speak these things with a catholic, from what, I beg you, do you believe the soul to be—I do not mean the soul of each of us, but the first soul given to that first man? If from nothing, and yet made and breathed in by God, you believe what I believe. But if from some other creature which lay beneath God the craftsman as material from which a soul might be made—as the dust from which Adam was made, or his rib from which Eve was made, or as the waters from which fish and birds were made, or the earth from which all land animals were made—that is not catholic, it is not true. But if you think that God made or makes souls neither from nothing nor from any other creature, but from himself, that is, from his own nature—God forbid!—then indeed you have learned this from him, but I do not congratulate or flatter you; you have strayed with him far from the catholic faith. For it would be more tolerable—it is indeed false, but, as I said, more tolerable—for you to believe that the soul was formed from some other creature which God had already made than from the nature of God; so that its being changeable, its sinning, its becoming ungodly, and, if it persists in ungodliness to the end, its being damned without end, would not be referred with horrible blasphemy to the nature of God. Cast away, brother, cast away, I beg you, this thing which is not faith at all but an error of accursed impiety, lest you, a serious man led astray by a young man, and a presbyter by a layman, while you think this the catholic faith, be removed from the number of the faithful—which may the Lord turn away from you. For you are not to be dealt with as he is, nor is this so horrible error of yours worthy of the same pardon as that young man’s, even though it passed from him to you. He has lately come into the catholic fold to be healed; you are counted among the catholic shepherds. We do not want the sheep which has come from error to the Lord’s flock to be cured in such a way that the ulcerous sheep first destroys the shepherd by pestilent contagion.

Gen 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 2:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:20 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 1:24 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The first soul was made from nothing; to hold it was made from God’s nature is a blasphemous error, less excusable in a presbyter than in a recent convert.

  • Gen 2:7, 2:21–22, 1:20–25.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: e for c): a laieo → a laico.

Topics: Heresy, Church office

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.6 (CSEL 60:339–340; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.7CSEL 60:340–341

Quodsi dicis: hoc me ille non docuit nec huic errori eius ullo modo quamlibet diserti et ornati sermonis inlectus suauitate consensi, ago ingentes deo gratias. sed quaero, unde illi caput exosculatus, ut dicitur, gratias egeris te didicisse quod usque ad auditam disputationem illius ignorabas aut, si falsum est hoc te fecisse atque dixisse, hoc ipsum peto nobis intimare digneris, ut inanis rumor tuis litteris refellatur. si autem uerum est illa humilitate homini egisse te gratias, gaudeo quidem, si te illud non docuit, quod superius quam sit detestandum cauendumque monstraui, et non reprehendo, quod gratus fueris tanta humilitate doctori, si aliquid aliud disputante illo uerum atque utile didicisti; sed hoc quid sit inquiro. an forte animam non spiritum esse, sed corpus? non quidem magnum doctrinae christianae arbitror esse detrimentum ista nescire et, si de corporum generibus subtiliter disputetur, hoc maiore difficultate quam utilitate perdiscitur. si autem dominus uoluerit, ut ad illum ipsum iuuenem scribam, sicut desidero, ibi sciet fortasse dilectio tua etiam hoc quam non te docuerit, si tamen id te ab illo didicisse laetaris. sed ne quid forte aliud sit, quod constat esse utile et ad fidem necessariam pertinere, peto rescribere non graueris.

But if you say, “He did not teach me this, nor did I in any way agree with this error of his, enticed by the sweetness of his speech, however eloquent and ornate”, I give God great thanks. But I ask why, having kissed his head, as is said, you thanked him for learning what you had not known until you heard his discussion; or, if it is false that you did and said this, I ask you to be so good as to let us know it, so that an empty rumour may be refuted by your letter. But if it is true that you thanked the man with such humility, I rejoice indeed if he did not teach you what I showed above to be detestable and to be guarded against, and I do not blame you for being grateful with such humility to a teacher, if you learned something else true and useful from his discussion; but I ask what this is. Is it perhaps that the soul is not spirit but body? I do not think it a great loss to Christian doctrine not to know such things, and if one discusses the kinds of bodies subtly, this is learned with more difficulty than profit. But if the Lord wills that I write to that young man himself, as I wish, your love will perhaps learn there how far he did not teach you even this, if indeed you rejoice to have learned it from him. But lest there be something else which is agreed to be useful and to belong to necessary faith, I ask you not to find it burdensome to reply.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine asks Peter to confirm or deny the rumour and to say what useful thing he learned; the corporeality of the soul is not essential doctrine.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: e for c): eauendumque → cauendumque.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.7 (CSEL 60:340–341; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.8CSEL 60:341–342

Nam illud, quod rectissime et ualde salubriter credit iudicari animas, cum de corporibus exierint, antequam ueniant ad illud iudicium, quo eas oportet iam redditis corporibus iudicari atque in ipsa, in qua hic uixerunt, carne torqueri siue gloriari, hoc itane tandem ipse nesciebas? quis aduersus euangelium tanta obstinatione mentis obsurduit, ut in illo paupere, qui post mortem ablatus est in sinum Abrahae, et in illo diuite, cuius infernus cruciatus exponitur, ista non audiat uel audita non credat? sed numquid te docuit, quomodo anima sine corpore de digito pauperis aquae stillam desiderare potuerit, cum ipse confessus sit alimenta corporea non nisi propter fulciendas ruinas corruptibilis corporis sui animam quaerere? uerba eius ista sunt: numquid quia anima, inquit, aut cibum quaerit aut potum, ad ipsam transire credimus pastum? et paulo post: unde intellegitur, inquit, et probatur non ad animam pertinere ciborum sustentacula, sed ad corpus, cui etiam praeter cibum procuratur simili ratione uestitus, ut illi necessarius uideatur pasturae suggestus, cui conpetit et ipsos habere uestitus. hanc ille sententiam suam satis euidenter expositam nonnulla etiam similitudine inlustrans adiecit atque ait: quid autem putamus inquilinum quemquam suae habitationi prospicere? nonne, si eam senserit aut tecto tremere aut nutare pariete aut labare fundamine, destinas quaerit, strues congerit, quibus inminentem possit ruinam sedulo diligenterque fulcire, ne sub periculo mansionis discrimen uideatur pendere mansoris? ita ergo et animam recognosce, inquit, carni suae desiderare cibum, ex qua ipsum concipit sine dubio desiderium. haec nempe ille iuuenis sua sensa uerbis luculentissimis et sufficientissimis explicauit asserens non animae requiri alimenta, sed corpori, cura quidem illius, sed tamquam habitantis in domo et moribundae carnis inminentes ruinas prouida refectione fulcientis. et illud ergo explicet tibi, quid anima illa diuitis ruiturum destinare cupiebat, quae mortale corpus iam utique non habebat et tamen sitiebat et aquae stillam de digito pauperis requirebat. habet ubi se exerceat iste doctor senum; quaerat et inueniat, si potuerit, cui rei anima illa apud inferos humidum alimentum uel tam exiguum mendicaret, cum ruinoso habitaculo iam careret.

For as to what he most rightly and very wholesomely believes—that souls are judged when they have left their bodies, before they come to that judgment in which, their bodies restored, they must be judged and tormented or glorified in the very flesh in which they lived here—did you really not know this yourself? Who has become so deaf against the gospel with such obstinacy of mind as not to hear these things in the case of that poor man who after death was carried to Abraham’s bosom, and of that rich man whose torments in hell are set forth, or, having heard them, not to believe them? But did he teach you how a soul without a body could long for a drop of water from the poor man’s finger, when he himself admitted that the soul seeks bodily nourishment only to prop up the ruins of its corruptible body? These are his words: “Because the soul,” he says, “seeks food or drink, do we believe that the nourishment passes into it?” And a little later: “From this,” he says, “it is understood and proved that the support of food belongs not to the soul but to the body, for which clothing is also provided besides food on a similar principle, so that a supply of nourishment seems necessary to that to which it belongs also to have clothing.” He added, illustrating this opinion of his, set out clearly enough, with a certain comparison, and said: “What do we think a tenant provides for his dwelling? If he perceives that it is shaking in its roof or tottering in its wall or giving way in its foundation, does he not look for props and heap up supports by which to shore up the threatening ruin carefully and diligently, lest with the danger to the dwelling the peril of the dweller seem to hang in the balance? So then recognize,” he says, “that the soul too desires food for its flesh, from which it undoubtedly conceives the desire itself.” These are the views that young man set out in most splendid and most ample words, asserting that nourishment is sought not for the soul but for the body, by the soul’s care indeed, but as by one dwelling in a house and propping up by provident repair the threatening ruins of the dying flesh. Let him explain to you, then, what ruin that rich man’s soul wished to prop up, when it certainly no longer had a mortal body, and yet was thirsty and asked for a drop of water from the poor man’s finger. Here this teacher of old men has something to exercise himself on; let him seek and find, if he can, for what purpose that soul in the underworld begged for liquid nourishment, even so little, when it no longer had its ruinous dwelling.

Luke 16:22 (allusion, high confidence) · Luke 16:24 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Victor rightly holds that souls are judged at death, but his claim that the soul seeks food only for the body cannot explain the rich man’s thirst in Luke 16.

  • Luke 16:19–24.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: o for e): numquid to docuit → numquid te docuit.

Topics: Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.8 (CSEL 60:341–342; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.9CSEL 60:342–343

Incorporeum sane deum esse quod credit, gratulor eum hinc saltem a Tertulliani deliramentis esse discretum; ille quippe sicut animam ita etiam deum corporeum esse contendit. a quo iste in hoc dissentiens mirabiliora persuadere molitur deum incorporeum non de nihilo facere, sed de se ipso flatum exhalare corporeum. o doctrinam, cui omnis aetas aures subrigat, quae homines annosos, quae denique presbyteros mereatur habere discipulos legat, legat in contione quod scripsit, notos atque ignotos, doctos atque indoctos recitaturus inuitet. seniores cum iunioribus conuenite, quod nesciebatis discite, quod numquam audieratis audite. ecce isto docente non aliunde quod aliquo modo est nec ex eo quod omnino non est deus flatum creat, sed ex eo quod ipse est, cum sit incorporeus, corpus sufflat. naturam ergo suam, antequam mutetur in peccati corpore, ipse mutat in corpus. an dicit, quod ex natura sua non mutat aliquid, cum flatum facit? non ergo cum de se ipso facit; non enim aliud est ipse, aliud natura eius. quis hoc insanissimus opinetur? quodsi dicit ita deum de sua natura facere flatum, ut ipse integer maneat, non inde quaestio est, sed utrum quod non aliunde nec de nihilo, sed de illo est, non hoc sit quod ille, id est eiusdem naturae et essentiae. nam et filio genito integer manet; sed quia cum genuit de se ipso, non aliud genuit quam id quod est ipse. excepto enim quod hominem assumpsit et uerbum caro factum est, alius est quidem uerbum dei filius, sed non est aliud; hoc est alia persona est, sed non diuersa natura. et unde hoc, nisi quia non creatus ex alio uel ex nihilo, sed natus ex ipso est, non ut melior quam erat esset, sed omnino ut esset et quod est ille, unde natus est, esset, hoc est unius eiusdemque naturae, aequalis, coaeternus, omni modo similis, pariter inmutabilis, pariter inuisibilis, pariter incorporeus, pariter deus, hoc omnino quod pater, nisi quod filius est ipse, non pater? si autem manet quidem ipse integer deus nec tamen de nullo uel de alio, sed de se ipso diuersum aliquid in deterius creat et de incorporeo deo corpus emanat, absit, ut hoc catholicus animus bibat! non enim est fluentum fontis diuini, sed figmentum cordis humani.

That he believes God to be incorporeal, I congratulate him on being separated at least in this from the ravings of Tertullian; for he contended that God, like the soul, is corporeal. Disagreeing with him in this, this man tries to persuade us of things more marvellous: that the incorporeal God does not make it from nothing, but breathes out from himself a corporeal breath. O teaching to which every age should prick up its ears, which deserves to have aged men, even presbyters, as its disciples! Let him read, let him read in the assembly what he has written; let him invite known and unknown, learned and unlearned, to hear him recite. Elders with the young, come together; learn what you did not know, hear what you had never heard! See, on his teaching, God creates the breath neither from something else that in some way exists, nor from that which does not exist at all, but from that which he himself is; though he is incorporeal, he breathes out a body. So he himself changes his own nature into a body, before it is changed in the body of sin. Or does he say that he changes nothing of his nature when he makes the breath? Then he does not make it from himself; for he himself is not one thing and his nature another. What utter madman would think that? But if he says that God makes the breath from his nature in such a way that he himself remains whole, that is not the question; the question is whether what is not from elsewhere nor from nothing, but from him, is not what he is, that is, of the same nature and essence. For when the Son is begotten he also remains whole; but because when he begot him from himself, he begot nothing other than what he himself is. For apart from his having assumed a man and the Word having been made flesh, the Word, the Son of God, is indeed another, but not another thing; that is, he is another person, but not a different nature. And why so, except because he was not created from another thing or from nothing, but born from him—not so as to be better than he was, but simply so as to be, and to be what he is from whom he was born, that is, of one and the same nature, equal, coeternal, in every way like, equally unchangeable, equally invisible, equally incorporeal, equally God, altogether what the Father is, except that he is the Son, not the Father? But if God indeed remains whole himself, and yet creates, neither from nothing nor from another thing, but from himself, something different and worse, and a body emanates from the incorporeal God, far be it that a catholic mind should drink this in! For it is not a stream from the divine fountain but a fiction of the human heart.

John 1:14 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Victor avoids Tertullian’s corporeal God but makes the incorporeal God breathe out a corporeal soul from himself, unlike the Son who is begotten of the same nature.

  • Tertullian held that God and the soul are bodies (e.g. Against Praxeas 7; On the Soul 7). John 1:14.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: c for e; stray letter): corporeum.s o doctrinam → corporeum. o doctrinam; de sc ipso → de se ipso.

Extrabiblical texts: Tertullian, An. 7 (On the Soul; allusion)

Topics: Trinity, Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.9 (CSEL 60:342–343; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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2.10CSEL 60:343–344

Iam uero quam inepte laboret animam, quam putat esse corpoream, uindicare a passionibus corporis disputans de animae infantia, de paralyticis et oppressis animae sensibus, de amputatis membris corporis absque animae sectione, non tecum, sed cum illo potius agere debeo; illi quippe insudandum est, ut rationem reddat dictorum suorum, ne de opere iuuenis uelle fatigare uideamur grauitatem senis. quod autem similitudines morum, qui repperiuntur in filiis, non ex animae semine uenire disputat, consequens est quidem, ut hoc sentiant quicumque animae propaginem destruunt, sed nec illi qui hanc astruunt ibi constituunt pondus assertionis suae; uident enim et filios parentum dissimiles moribus, quod ideo fieri putant, quia et ipse unus homo plerumque suis moribus alios mores dissimiles habet non utique anima altera accepta, sed uita in melius uel in deterius commutata. ita dicunt non esse inpossibile, ut anima non habeat eos mores, quos habet illa ex qua propagata est, quando quidem ipsa una nunc alios, alias alios habere mores potest. quare si hoc te credis ab isto didicisse, quod anima non sit ex traduce, utinam id uere didicisses! me tibi docendum libentissime traderem; sed aliud est discere, aliud uideri sibi didicisse. si ergo te didicisse arbitraris quod adhuc nescis, non plane didicisti, sed temere credidisti quod libenter audisti et subrepsit tibi falsiloquium per suauiloquium. quod non ideo dico, quia falsum esse iam certus sum animas potius insufflari nouas quam de origine parentum trahi — hoc enim adhuc ab eis qui docere id possunt existimo requirendum —, sed quia iste de hac re ita disseruit, ut non solum eam, quae adhuc discutienda est, non solueret quaestionem, uerum etiam talia diceret, quae falsitatis non habeant dubitationem; cum enim uellet probare dubia, ausus est dicere sine dubio reprobanda.

Now as for how ineptly he labours to free the soul, which he thinks corporeal, from the passions of the body, discussing the infancy of the soul, paralytics and the suppressed senses of the soul, and bodily limbs amputated without cutting the soul, I ought to deal with him rather than with you; for it is he who must sweat to give an account of what he said, lest we seem to want to weary the gravity of an old man with the work of a young one. As for his arguing that the likenesses of character found in children do not come from the seed of the soul, it follows indeed that all who destroy the propagation of the soul should think this; but neither do those who assert it rest the weight of their assertion there. For they see also children unlike their parents in character, which they think happens because even one and the same man often has characters unlike his own former ones, not by receiving another soul but by his life being changed for better or worse. So they say it is not impossible for a soul not to have the character of the soul from which it was propagated, since one and the same soul can have one character now and another at another time. Therefore, if you believe you learned from him that the soul is not from transmission, I wish you had truly learned it! I would most gladly put myself in your hands to be taught; but it is one thing to learn, another to seem to oneself to have learned. If, then, you think you have learned what you still do not know, you have not really learned it, but rashly believed what you gladly heard, and false speaking crept in on you through sweet speaking. I do not say this because I am already certain it is false that souls are breathed in new rather than drawn from the origin of the parents—for I think this must still be sought from those who can teach it—but because he discussed this matter in such a way that not only did he fail to solve the question, which is still to be examined, but also said things whose falsity is beyond doubt; for while wanting to prove doubtful things, he dared to say things that are without doubt to be rejected.

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Summary: Resemblance of character between parents and children decides nothing; Peter has not truly learned that souls are not transmitted.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: l for I): lam uero → Iam uero.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.10 (CSEL 60:343–344; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Urba and Zycha (CSEL 60, 1913); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 5 (1887).

2.11CSEL 60:344–346

An uero tu reprobare dubitabis, quod, cum de anima loqueretur: non uis, inquit, animam ex carne peccati contrahere ualetudinem, ad quam uicissim sanctificationem uideas transire per carnem, ut per ipsam reparet statum, per quam perdiderat meritum? aut numquid quia baptismo corpus abluitur, non transit ad animam uel spiritum, quod creditur conferri per baptismum? merito ergo per carnem priscam reparat habitudinem, quam uisa fuerat paulisper amisisse per carnem, ut per eam incipiat renasci, per quam meruerat inquinari. uide in his uerbis quantum iste tuus doctor errauerit! dixit animam per carnem reparare statum, per quam perdiderat meritum: habuit ergo anima aliquem statum et aliquod meritum bonum ante carnem, quod uult eam reparare per carnem, quando caro lauacro regenerationis abluitur; uixerat itaque alicubi ante carnem in statu et merito bono, quem statum et quod meritum perdidit, cum uenisset in carnem. dixit eam per carnem reparare habitudinem priscam, quam uisa fuerat paulisper amisisse per carnem: habuit ergo ante carnem habitudinem antiquam — hoc est enim priscam — et ista qualis esse potuit nisi beata atque laudabilis habitudo? quam reparari per sacramentum baptismatis asseuerat, cum eam nolit ex illa originem trahere per propaginem, quam constat in paradiso aliquando fuisse felicem. quomodo igitur alio loco animam se dicit constanter asserere non ex traduce neque ex nihilo neque per semet ipsam neque ante corpus? ecce isto loco uult animas ante corpus alicubi uiuere tam beate, ut eadem illis per baptismum beatitudo reddatur, et tamquam sui rursus oblitus adiungit et dicit: ut per eam, id est per carnem, incipiat renasci, per quam meruerat inquinari. superius meritum significauerat bonum perditum fuisse per carnem, nunc autem significat malum meritum, quo factum est, ut ueniret uel mitteretur in carnem dicendo: per quam meruerat inquinari; si enim meretur inquinari, non est utique meritum bonum. dicat quid peccauit, antequam per carnem inquinaretur, ut per carnem inquinari mereretur; dicat, si potest, quod nullo modo potest, quia inuenire hic quid uerum dicat omnino non potest.

Or will you hesitate to reject what he said when speaking of the soul: “You do not want the soul to contract sickness from the flesh of sin, to which in turn you see sanctification pass through the flesh, so that through it the soul may regain the state through which it had lost its desert? Or because the body is washed in baptism, does what is believed to be conferred through baptism not pass to the soul or spirit? Deservedly, then, it regains through the flesh the ancient condition which it had seemed to lose for a little while through the flesh, so that it begins to be reborn through that by which it had deserved to be defiled.” See in these words how greatly this teacher of yours has erred! He said the soul regains through the flesh the state through which it had lost its desert: so the soul had some state and some good desert before the flesh, which he wants it to regain through the flesh when the flesh is washed by the washing of regeneration; so it had lived somewhere before the flesh in a good state and desert, which state and desert it lost when it came into the flesh. He said it regains through the flesh its ancient condition, which it had seemed to lose for a little while through the flesh: so it had before the flesh an old condition—for that is what “ancient” means—and what could that be but a blessed and praiseworthy condition? This he asserts is restored through the sacrament of baptism, although he will not have the soul draw its origin by propagation from that soul which, it is agreed, was once happy in paradise. How then does he say in another place that he firmly asserts that the soul is not from transmission, nor from nothing, nor through itself, nor before the body? See, in this place he wants souls to live somewhere before the body so blessedly that the same blessedness is given back to them through baptism; and as though forgetting himself again, he adds and says: “so that it begins to be reborn through that,” that is, through the flesh, “by which it had deserved to be defiled.” Above he signified that a good desert had been lost through the flesh, but now he signifies a bad desert, by which it came about that it came or was sent into the flesh, by saying, “by which it had deserved to be defiled”; for if it deserves to be defiled, it is certainly not a good desert. Let him say what it sinned before it was defiled through the flesh, so that it deserved to be defiled through the flesh; let him say it, if he can—which he by no means can, because he cannot find anything true to say here at all.

Titus 3:5 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Victor’s words imply both that the soul had a blessed state before the flesh and that it deserved to be defiled, contradicting his own denial of pre-existence.

  • Titus 3:5. Victor’s passage is also quoted in 1.6.

Topics: Baptism

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.11 (CSEL 60:344–346; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Urba and Zycha (CSEL 60, 1913); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 5 (1887).

2.12CSEL 60:346

Item aliquanto post ait: anima itaque si peccatrix esse meruit, quae peccatrix esse non potuit, tamen neque in peccato remansit, quia in Christo praefigurata in peccato esse non debuit, sicut esse non potuit. rogo te, frater, putasne ista saltem postea legisti et considerasti et quid in recitante laudaueris uel unde post recitationem gratias egeris cogitasti? quid est, obsecro te: anima itaque si peccatrix esse meruit, quae peccatrix esse non potuit? quid est meruit et non potuit, cum mereri hoc non posset, nisi peccatrix fuisset, non autem fuisset, nisi esse potuisset, ut ante omne malum meritum peccans inde sibi meritum faceret, unde ad alia peccata deserente domino perueniret? an ideo dixit: quae peccatrix esse non potuit, quia, nisi in carnem ueniret, peccatrix esse non posset? quid ergo meruit, ut eo mitteretur, ubi peccatrix esse posset, quo nisi uenisset alibi peccatrix esse non posset? dicat, quid meruit. si enim meruit esse peccatrix, aliquid iam peccauerat, unde mereretur iterum esse peccatrix; si autem nihil peccauerat, unde meruit esse peccatrix? sed haec fortassis obscura uideantur aut obscura esse iactentur, cum sint apertissima. neque enim dicere debuit, quod anima meruerit peccatrix esse per carnem, cuius nec bonum nec malum meritum repperire poterit ante carnem.

Again a little later he says: “If, then, the soul deserved to be sinful, which could not have been sinful, yet it did not remain in sin, because, prefigured in Christ, it ought not to be in sin, just as it could not be.” I ask you, brother, do you think you read and considered these words at least afterward, and reflected on what you praised when he read aloud, or for what you gave thanks after the reading? What does it mean, I beg you: “If, then, the soul deserved to be sinful, which could not have been sinful”? What does “deserved” and “could not” mean, when it could not deserve this unless it had been sinful, and it would not have been so unless it could have been, so that, sinning before any bad desert, it made itself a desert by which, the Lord forsaking it, it came to other sins? Or did he say, “which could not have been sinful”, because it could not have been sinful unless it came into the flesh? What, then, did it deserve, that it should be sent where it could be sinful, whereas, had it not come there, it could not be sinful elsewhere? Let him say what it deserved. For if it deserved to be sinful, it had already sinned somehow, so as to deserve to be sinful again; but if it had not sinned at all, how did it deserve to be sinful? But these things may perhaps seem obscure, or be alleged to be obscure, though they are perfectly plain. For he ought not to have said that the soul deserved to be sinful through the flesh, when he will be able to find no desert of it, good or bad, before the flesh.

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Summary: Victor’s phrase “deserved to be sinful, which could not have been sinful” is self-contradictory.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR: u for n): perueuiret → perueniret.

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Nat. orig. 2.12 (CSEL 60:346; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-natura-origine-animae/1-32/#p-2-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Urba and Zycha (CSEL 60, 1913); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 5 (1887).