Against Faustus the Manichaean 6.2–6.8
Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.1 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Faustum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.1, 1891), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: NPNF 1/4: Reply to Faustus the Manichaean (Philip Schaff, ed., 1887).
Chapter 6
6.2CSEL 25.1:285–286
AUGUSTINUS respondit: Quemadmodum et quare accipiatur testamentum uetus ab heredibus testamenti noui, iam supra diximus. sed quia paulo ante de promissis eius Faustus egit, nunc autem de praeceptis agere uoluit, respondeo istos omnino nescire, quid intersit inter praecepta uitae agendae et praecepta uitae significandae. exempli gratia: non concupisces praeceptum est agendae uitae; circumcides omnem masculum octauo die praeceptum est significandae uitae. ex hac quippe inperitia Manichaei et omnes, quibus displicent litterae ueteris testamenti, quicquid deus mandauit priori populo ad celebrandam umbram futurorum non intellegentes et ea modo non obseruari animaduertentes ex more praesentis temporis illa reprehendunt, quae utique illi tempori congruebant, quo ista, quae nunc manifestata sunt, uentura significarentur. sed quid dicturi sunt aduersus apostolum, qui ait: haec omnia in figura contingebant illis; scripta sunt autem propter nos, in quos finis saeculorum obuenit? ecce ipse aperuit, cur illae litterae accipiantur a nobis et cur illa rerum signa iam necesse non sit ut obseruentur a nobis. cum enim dicit: scripta sunt propter nos, procul dubio demonstrat, quanta nobis cura legenda et intellegenda et quanta auctoritate habenda sint, quia propter nos utique scripta sunt. cum uero dicit: figurae nostrae fuerunt et: in figura contingebant illis, ostendit iam non opus esse, ut, cum res ipsas manifestatas agimus, figurarum praenuntiantium celebrationi seruiamus. unde dicit alio loco: nemo ergo uos iudicet in cibo aut in potu aut in parte diei festi aut neomeniae aut sabbatorum, quod est umbra futurorum. hic etiam cum dicit: nemo uos in eis iudicet, declarat, quam non sit necesse, ut iam haec obseruentur; cum autem dicit: quod est umbra futurorum, ostendit, quam oportuerit, ut illo tempore obseruarentur, quo ista, quae nobis iam manifestata eluxerunt, per tales umbras figurarum futura praedicebantur.
Augustine replied: How and why the Old Testament is accepted by the heirs of the New Testament we have already said above. But since a little earlier Faustus dealt with its promises, and now has chosen to deal with its precepts, I answer that these people do not know at all the difference between precepts for the conduct of life and precepts for signifying life. For example, “You shall not covet” is a precept for the conduct of life; “You shall circumcise every male on the eighth day” is a precept for signifying life. Out of this ignorance the Manichaeans, and all who dislike the writings of the Old Testament, not understanding whatever God commanded the former people in order to celebrate the shadow of things to come, and noticing that these things are not observed now, find fault with them by the custom of the present time, though they certainly suited that time, in which the things now made manifest were signified as coming. But what will they say against the apostle, who says: “All these things happened to them in figure; but they were written for our sake, upon whom the end of the ages has come”? See, he himself has disclosed why those writings are accepted by us, and why it is no longer necessary for those signs of things to be observed by us. For when he says, “they were written for our sake,” he shows beyond doubt with what care they are to be read and understood by us, and with what authority they are to be held, since they were certainly written for our sake. But when he says, “they were figures of us,” and, “they happened to them in figure,” he shows that there is no longer any need, now that we carry out the realities themselves made manifest, to serve the celebration of figures that foretold them. Hence he says in another place: “Let no one judge you, then, in food or in drink or in regard to a festival day or a new moon or sabbaths, which is a shadow of things to come.” Here too, when he says, “Let no one judge you” in these things, he declares how unnecessary it now is for them to be observed; but when he says, “which is a shadow of things to come,” he shows how fitting it was that they be observed at that time when the things that now shine forth made manifest to us were foretold as future through such shadows of figures.
Exod 20:17 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 17:12 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 2:16–17 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine distinguishes moral precepts from precepts that signified future things, and argues from Paul that the latter were figures, to be read but no longer observed.
- Quotations: Exod 20:17; Gen 17:12; 1 Cor 10:11, 6; Col 2:16–17.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text; stray quotation mark in the digital text): ei hac quippe → ex hac quippe; praedicebantur.' → praedicebantur..
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.2 (CSEL 25.1:285–286; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.3CSEL 25.1:286–288
Proinde si Manichaei resurrectione domini iustificarentur, cuius resurrectionis dies ex die quidem passionis tertius, post diem tamen sabbati. hoc est post septimum octauus fuit, profecto spoliarentur carnali uelamento mortalium desideriorum et cordis circumcisione gaudentes non eam in carne adumbratam figuratamque deriderent tempore ueteris testamenti, quamuis iam tempore noui testamenti fieri obseruarique non cogerent. in quo enim membro congruentius expoliatio carnalis et mortalis concupiscentiae figuratur, quam unde carnalis et mortalis fetus exoritur? sed, sicut dicit apostolus, omnia munda mundis; inmundis autem et infidelibus nihil est mundum, sed polluta sunt eorum et mens et conscientia. itaque isti, qui nimis mundi sibi uidentur, quia illa membra tamquam inmunda auersantur aut auersari se fingunt, in eas infidelitatis et erroris inmunditias inciderunt, ut, cum detestantur circumcisionem carnis, quam dixit apostolus signaculum iustitiae fidei, in ipsis tamen carnalibus membris diuina dei sui membra credant conligata et inquinata detineri, ut, cum carnem inmundam dicunt, et deum illic ex parte, qua ibi tenetur, inmundum factum dicere conpellantur, quippe quem mundari oportere adserunt: quod donec fiat, quantum fieri potuerit, interim nunc eum perpeti omnia, quae carnes patiuntur, non tantum in labore et dolore adflictionum sed etiam in uoluptate corruptelarum. ei namque dicunt parcere, quod non concumbunt, ne nodis carneis artius inplicetur et sordidius inquinetur. cum ergo apostolus dicat: omnia munda mundis, utique hominibus, qui possunt in deterius uoluntatis peruersitate mutari, quanto magis omnia munda sunt deo, qui semper incommutabilis et incontaminabilis permanet? de cuius sapientia diuine dictum est in eis libris, quos reprehendendo uehementius inquinamini, quod nihil inquinatum in eam incurrit et adtingit ubique propter suam munditiam. quapropter, o inmundissima uanitas, itane displicet tibi in membro humano, unde humana generatio propagatur, signum regenerationis humanae illum, cui munda sunt omnia, deum iussisse constitui et placet tibi etiam in flagitiis, quae illo membro ab inpudicis hominibus perpetrantur, ipsum deum uestrum, cui nihil est mundum, ex parte suae naturae conmaculari atque corrumpi? quid enim patitur in uariis turpibus corruptelis, quem coniugali quoque concubitu creditis inquinari? audete iam dicere, quod soletis: ergone deerat, ubi deus praefiguraret signaculum iustitiae fidei, nisi in illo membro? respondetur: cur enim et ibi non? primo quia omnia munda mundis, quanto magis deo. deinde quia hoc apostolus dixit signaculum datum Abrahae iustitiae fidei in tali circumcisione. uos autem nolite erubescere, si potestis, cum uobis dicitur: ergone deerat deo uestro, quid ageret, ne suae naturae partem istis membris, quae sic despuitis, inplicaret? pudenda quidem ista dicuntur hominibus propter nostrae mortalitatis corruptibilem poenalemque propaginem, quae inde subsistit: quibus casti adhibent uerecundiam, inpudici petulantiam, deus iustitiam.
Accordingly, if the Manichaeans were justified by the resurrection of the Lord, whose day was the third from the day of his passion, but came after the sabbath day, that is, it was the eighth after the seventh, they would surely be stripped of the carnal veil of mortal desires, and, rejoicing in the circumcision of the heart, they would not mock it as foreshadowed and figured in the flesh in the time of the Old Testament, even though in the time of the New Testament they would not compel it to be done and observed. For in what member is the stripping away of carnal and mortal concupiscence more fittingly figured than in that from which carnal and mortal offspring arises? But, as the apostle says, “To the pure all things are pure; but to the impure and unbelieving nothing is pure, but both their mind and conscience are defiled.” So these men, who seem to themselves exceedingly pure because they turn away from those members as unclean, or pretend to turn away from them, have fallen into such impurities of unbelief and error that, while they detest the circumcision of the flesh, which the apostle called the seal of the righteousness of faith, they nevertheless believe that the divine members of their God are held bound and defiled in those very fleshly members; so that, when they call the flesh unclean, they are forced to say that God too has become unclean there, in the part in which he is held there, since they assert that he needs to be cleansed; and until this happens, as far as it can, he meanwhile, they say, suffers everything the flesh suffers, not only in the toil and pain of afflictions but also in the pleasure of corruptions. For they say they spare him by not lying with women, lest he be entangled more tightly in fleshly knots and defiled more foully. Since, then, the apostle says, “To the pure all things are pure,” speaking of human beings, who can be changed for the worse by perversity of will, how much more are all things pure to God, who remains forever unchangeable and incapable of defilement? Of his Wisdom it is divinely said, in those books by finding fault with which you defile yourselves the more grievously, that nothing defiled enters into her, and that she reaches everywhere because of her purity. Therefore, O most impure vanity, does it displease you that God, to whom all things are pure, commanded that the sign of human regeneration be placed in the human member from which human generation is propagated; and does it please you that even in the shameful acts committed with that member by unchaste men your God himself, to whom nothing is pure, is stained and corrupted in part of his nature? For what does he not suffer in various shameful corruptions, whom you believe to be defiled even by conjugal intercourse? Now dare to say, as you usually do: “Was there then no place for God to prefigure the seal of the righteousness of faith except in that member?” The answer is: Why not there too? First, because to the pure all things are pure, how much more to God. Second, because the apostle said that this seal of the righteousness of faith was given to Abraham in such a circumcision. But you, do not blush, if you can, when it is said to you: “Had your God then nothing else to do than to entangle part of his own nature in those members which you so spurn?” These members are called shameful in human beings because of the corruptible and penal propagation of our mortality which comes from them: to them the chaste bring modesty, the unchaste wantonness, and God justice.
Rom 2:29 (allusion, medium confidence) · Col 2:11 (echo, medium confidence) · Titus 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 4:11 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine defends circumcision as a fitting figure of the circumcision of the heart and turns the charge of impurity against the Manichaean belief that God’s substance is bound in human flesh.
- Circumcision of the heart: Rom 2:29 (cf. Col 2:11). Quotations: Titus 1:15; Rom 4:11. The description of Wisdom echoes Wis 7:24–25.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (missing space in the digital text; stray mark in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): inciderunt,. ut → inciderunt, ut; carneis: artius → carneis artius; soletis:ergone → soletis: ergone.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:24-25 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.3 (CSEL 25.1:286–288; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.4CSEL 25.1:288–290
Cessationem uero sabbatorum iam quidem superuacuam ducimus ad obseruandum, ex quo spes reuelata est nostrae quietis aeternae, non tamen ad legendum et intellegendum, quia propheticis temporibus cum essent ista, quae nobis hoc tempore patefacta sunt non tantum sermonibus, sed et actibus praefiguranda et praenuntianda, illo signo, quod legimus, res ista praenotata est, quam tenemus. uos autem uolo mihi dicatis, cur uestram cessationem nolitis inplere? Iudaei quippe sabbato suo, quod adhuc carnaliter sapiunt, non solum in agro fructum nullum decerpunt, sed nec in domo concidunt aut coquunt. uos autem cessantes quidem expectatis, quis auditorum uestrorum propter uos pascendos cultello uel falcicula armatus in hortum prosiliat, homicida cucurbitarum, quarum uobis adferat, mirum dictu, uiua cadauera. nam si non eas occidit, quid uos in tali facto metuistis? si autem occiduntur, cum decerpuntur, quomodo eis inest uita, cui purgandae atque recreandae manducando atque ructando uos adseritis subuenire? accipitis ergo uiuentes cucurbitas, quas, si possitis, degluttire deberetis, ut post illud unum uulnus, in quo eas cum decerpsit uester auditor reus factus est uestra indulgentia liberandus, saltem deinceps ad officinam aqualiculi uestri, ubi deum uestrum illo proelio confractum reformare possitis, inlaesae atque integrae peruenirent. nunc autem antequam eis conterendis dentes incumbant, minutatim, si hoc palato placuerit, conciduntur a uobis; quibus tam crebris uulneribus earum quomodo uos non estis rei? uidete, quemadmodum uobis expediret, ut quod uno in septem diebus faciunt Iudaei, uos cotidie faceretis et a tali etiam domestico opere cessaretis. iam quid in igne patiantur, ubi certe non reformatur uita, quae in eis est? non enim feruens olla sancto uentri conparari potest; et tamen inridetis tamquam superfluam sabbati cessationem. quanto utique sanius non solum eam non reprehenderetis in patribus, quando superflua non fuit, sed etiam nunc, quando iam superflua est, ipsam potius teneretis quam istam uestram non significatione acceptabilem, sed errore damnabilem; quam etiam non inplendo rei estis secundum opinionem uestrae uanitatis. et uani secundum iudicium ueritatis. dicitis enim dolorem sentire fructum, cum de arbore carpitur, sentire cum conciditur, cum teritur, cum coquitur, cum manducatur. non ergo debuistis uesci nisi eis. quae cruda et inlaesa possunt transuorari. ut unum. saltem dolorem, cum decerpuntur, non a uobis, sed a uestris auditoribus paterentur. Sed dicitis: quomodo subuenimus tantae uitae, si ea tantum absumimus, quae incocta et mollia possunt absorberi? si ergo ista conpensatione tam multos cibis uestris dolores infligitis, cur ab illo solo abstinetis, ad quem maxime ista necessitas cogit? nam fructus potest et crudus comedi, sicut se nonnulli uestri exercuerunt, ut hoc non tantum de pomis, uerum etiam de omnibus oleribus facerent. si autem non uellatur aut decidatur aut quoquo modo dematur ex terra uel arbore, uenire ad escam nullo pacto potest. hoc ergo facile debuit esse ueniale, sine quo ei subuenire non ualeretis, non illi tam multi cruciatus, quos in praeparandis escis membris dei uestri non dubitatis inferre. at enim plorat arbor, cum fructus carpitur, hoc quippe dicere non erubescitis. certe nouit omnia uita, quae ibi est, et praesentit, quis ad ea conueniat. uenientibus ergo electis et poma carpentibus gaudere debuit, non plorare illum transitorium dolorem tanta felicitate conpensans et tantam euadens miseriam, si in alios incidisset. cur itaque pomum non decerpatis, cum decerpto tam multas plagas doloresque ingeratis? respondete, si potestis. nec ipsa ieiunia uobis conpetunt; non enim oportet uacare fornacem, in qua spiritale aurum de stercoris commixtione purgatur et a miserandis nexibus diuina membra soluuntur. quapropter ille est misericordior inter uos, qui se potuerit ita exercere, ut nihil eius ualetudini obsit saepe crudos cibos sumere et multa consumere. uos autem et tantas poenas escae uestrae inrogando crudeliter manducatis et a membrorum diuinorum purgatione cessando crudeliter ieiunatis.
As for the resting on sabbaths, we do now consider it superfluous to observe, since the hope of our eternal rest has been revealed; but not superfluous to read and understand. For in prophetic times, when the things revealed to us at this time had to be prefigured and foretold not only by words but also by actions, the reality we hold was foreshown by that sign we read of. But I want you to tell me why you will not fulfil your own resting. For the Jews, on their sabbath, which they still understand carnally, not only pluck no fruit in the field but do not even cut or cook at home. But you, resting, wait for one of your hearers, armed with a knife or a little sickle, to dash into the garden to feed you, a murderer of gourds, and bring you, wonderful to say, their living corpses. For if he does not kill them, what did you fear in such an act? But if they are killed when they are plucked, how is there life in them, which you claim to help, to purify and restore, by eating and belching? So you receive living gourds, which you ought to swallow whole if you could, so that after that one wound, by which your hearer, when he plucked them, became guilty, to be set free by your indulgence, they might at least from then on reach unharmed and whole the workshop of your paunch, where you can restore your God, broken in that battle. But as it is, before your teeth set about grinding them, you cut them into little pieces, if that pleases your palate; how are you not guilty of so many wounds to them? See how much it would be to your advantage to do every day what the Jews do one day in seven, and to rest even from such household work. And what do they suffer in the fire, where certainly the life that is in them is not restored? For a boiling pot cannot be compared to a holy belly; and yet you mock the sabbath rest as superfluous. How much more sensible it would be not only not to find fault with it in the fathers, when it was not superfluous, but even now, when it is superfluous, to keep it rather than this rest of yours, which is not acceptable for what it signifies but damnable for its error; and by not fulfilling it you are guilty according to the opinion of your vanity, and vain according to the judgment of truth. For you say that fruit feels pain when it is picked from the tree, feels it when it is cut, when it is ground, when it is cooked, when it is eaten. You ought therefore to eat only what can be swallowed raw and unharmed, so that they might suffer at least only one pain, when they are picked, and that not from you but from your hearers. But you say: “How do we help so much life, if we consume only what can be swallowed uncooked and soft?” If, then, by this compensation you inflict so many pains with your food, why do you abstain from that one act to which this necessity most compels you? For fruit can be eaten raw, as some of you have trained themselves to do, not only with fruit but with all vegetables. But if it is not pulled up or cut off or in some way taken from the earth or the tree, it can in no way come to be food. So this, without which you could not help it, ought easily to have been pardonable, rather than those many tortures which you do not hesitate to inflict on the members of your God in preparing your food. “But the tree weeps when the fruit is picked”—for you are not ashamed to say this. Surely the life that is there knows all things and foresees who is coming to it. So when the elect come and pick the fruit, it ought to rejoice, not weep, compensating that passing pain with such happiness, and escaping such misery as it would have met had it fallen to others. Why then do you not pick fruit, when, once it is picked, you inflict so many blows and pains on it? Answer if you can. Nor are fasts proper for you; for the furnace ought not to be idle in which the spiritual gold is purified from its mixture with dung and the divine members are loosed from pitiable bonds. Therefore the more merciful among you is the one who can train himself so that it does no harm to his health often to take raw foods and to consume much. But you both eat cruelly, inflicting such punishments on your food, and fast cruelly, by ceasing from the purification of the divine members.
Exod 20:8–10 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine defends the sabbath as a figure of eternal rest and ridicules the Manichaean elect, who refuse to pick fruit yet cut, cook, and chew it, and whose fasting halts the supposed freeing of divine light.
- The Manichaean elect were forbidden to pick or harvest food; hearers brought it to them, and eating it was held to free the light within it.
Topics: Scripture and canon, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.4 (CSEL 25.1:288–290; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.5CSEL 25.1:290–292
Et audetis tamen etiam sacrificia testamenti ueteris execrari et idolatriam nominare et in huiusmodi sacrilegium nos quoque sociare. unde pro nobis prius respondemus sic illa iam non esse in operibus nostris, ut ea tamen in mysteriis diuinarum scripturarum ad intellegenda, quae his praenuntiata sunt, amplectamur, quia et ipsa figurae nostrae fuerunt et omnia talia multis et uariis modis unum sacrificium, cuius nunc memoriam celebramus, significauerunt. unde isto reuelato et suo tempore oblato illa de agendi celebritate sublata sunt, sed in significandi auctoritate manserunt; scripta sunt enim propter nos, in quos finis saeculorum obuenit. sed in eis uidelicet interfectio uos mouet animalium, cum ista omnis creatura usibus hominum quodam modo condicionaliter seruiat. sed uos, qui homini mendico esurienti panem non porrigitis, misericordes estis in pecora, quibus animas humanas inesse creditis. dominus autem Iesus in ea crudelis fuit, cum daemones in gregem porcorum, cum id ab eo peterent, ire permisit. qui etiam nondum demonstrato per passionem sacrificio corporis sui cuidam leproso. quem mundauerat, ait: uade et ostende te sacerdoti, et offer pro te, quod praecepit Moyses. in testimonium illis. magis enim, quia et per prophetas deus saepe testatur nullius se talis muneris indigere, et facile est ratione perspicere, quod nec eius rei egeat, qui nullius eget, conpellitur animus humanus inquirere, quid nos per haec docere uoluerit, qui utique non frustra ea, quibus non indiget, sibi iuberet offerri, nisi aliquid in eis ostenderet, quod nobis et nosse prodesset et talibus signis praefigurari oporteret. uos autem quanto melius et honestius istis quamuis iam nostro tempori non necessariis, tamen significantibus aliquid et docentibus sacrificiis subderemini, quam uobis ab auditoribus uestris uiuas escarum uictimas offerri iuberetis et crederetis! nam cum apostolus Paulus de quibusdam propter epulas euangelium praedicantibus congruentissime dixerit: quorum deus uenter, quanto uos adrogantiore inpietate iactatis. qui uentrem uestrum non deum, sed quod sceleratioris audaciae est, dei mundatorem dicere non timetis! cuius porro dementiae est pios se uideri uelle, quod ab animalium interfectione se temperent, cum omnes suas escas easdem animas habere dicant, quibus, ut putant, uiuentibus tanta uulnera et manibus et dentibus ingerunt!
And yet you dare to curse the sacrifices of the Old Testament as well, and to call them idolatry, and to associate us too in such sacrilege. On our part we answer first that they are no longer among our practices, yet in such a way that we still embrace them in the mysteries of the divine Scriptures, to understand what was foretold by them; for they too were figures of us, and all such things in many and various ways signified the one sacrifice whose memorial we now celebrate. Hence, once this was revealed and offered in its own time, those were removed from the celebration of practice, but remained in the authority of signifying; for they were written for our sake, upon whom the end of the ages has come. But in them, of course, it is the killing of animals that troubles you, though this whole creation serves the uses of human beings in a certain conditional way. But you, who will not hold out bread to a hungry beggar, are merciful to cattle, in which you believe human souls are present. The Lord Jesus, then, was cruel in this respect, when he allowed the demons to go into the herd of swine, as they asked him. He too, when the sacrifice of his own body had not yet been shown through his passion, said to a leper whom he had cleansed: “Go and show yourself to the priest, and offer for yourself what Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.” Rather, since God often testifies through the prophets as well that he needs no such gift, and it is easy to see by reason that he who needs nothing does not need this, the human mind is driven to inquire what he wished to teach us through these things; for surely he would not command things he did not need to be offered to him to no purpose, unless he were showing something in them which it would profit us to know and which ought to be prefigured by such signs. But how much better and more honorable it would be for you to submit to these sacrifices, which, though no longer necessary in our time, still signify and teach something, than to command and believe that living victims of food are offered to you by your hearers! For when the apostle Paul said most fittingly of some who preached the gospel for the sake of meals, “whose god is their belly,” with how much more arrogant impiety do you boast, who are not afraid to call your belly not a god but, what is of more wicked audacity, the cleanser of God! And what madness it is for men to want to seem pious because they refrain from killing animals, when they say that all their foods have the same souls, on which, while they live, as they think, they inflict so many wounds with hands and teeth!
1 Cor 10:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:31–32 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 8:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 50:9–13 (49:9-Ps Vulg.) (allusion, medium confidence) · Phil 3:19 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that Old Testament sacrifices signified the one sacrifice of Christ, and contrasts them with the Manichaean belief that the elect’s food consists of living souls.
- Allusions and quotations: 1 Cor 10:11; Matt 8:31–32; Matt 8:4; Ps 50:9–13 (49:9–13 Vulg.); Phil 3:19. “The one sacrifice whose memorial we now celebrate” refers to the eucharist.
Topics: Scripture and canon, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.5 (CSEL 25.1:290–292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.6CSEL 25.1:292–294
Cur autem, si carnibus uesci non uultis, non ipsa animalia deo uestro oblata mactatis, ut animae illae, quas non solum putatis humanas, sed ita diuinas, ut ipsa dei membra esse credatis, a carnis carcere dimittantur, et ne iterum redeant uestris orationibus commendentur? an amplius eas adiuuatis uentre quam mente et illa potius dei natura saluatur, quae uestris uisceribus exhalari meruerit, quam quae uestris precibus commendari? propterea ergo uentri uestro pecora non sacrificatis, quia ea uiua absumere non potestis, ut eorum animas intercessione uestri stomachi liberetis. o beata olera, quibus et manu euulsis et ferro concisis et igne cruciatis et dente contritis concessum est tamen, ut ad uestrorum intestinorum aras uiua perueniant, et misera pecora, quae cum citius de corpore suo exeunt, in uestra corpora intrare non possunt! ita delirantes adhuc putatis, quod ideo sumus inimici ueteris testamenti. quia nullam carnem inmundam dicimus tenentes apostoli sententiam dicentis: omnia munda mundis, et illud, ubi dominus ait: non quod intrat in os uestrum, uos coinquinat, sed quod exit. quod non ad solas turbas dominus dixit, sicut uester Adimantus, quem post Manichaeum Faustus praecipue laudat, cum ueteri testamento calumniaretur, uoluit intellegi, sed etiam remotus a turbis hoc idem discipulis suis euidentius et expressius elocutus est. cum enim hanc domini sententiam testamento ueteri obposuisset Adimantus, quia in illo scripta sunt quaedam inmunda carnium. a quibus ille populus iussus est abstinere, timuit, ne sibi diceretur: cur ergo uos non quasdam, sed omnes carnes inmundas existimatis atque ab edendis omnibus temperatis, cum tu ipse proferas euangelicum testimonium non coinquinari hominem ex his, quae in os ingrediuntur et in uentrem uadunt atque in latrinam emittuntur? itaque has artissimas et fallaciam suam manifestissima ueritate praefocantes angustias conatus euadere ait hoc dominum ad turbas dixisse, quasi paucis ille in secreto uera diceret, in turbas autem falsa iactaret, cum et hoc de domino credere sacrilegum sit, et omnes qui legunt, nouerint hoc et remotis turbis eum planius dixisse discipulis. quapropter quia in exordio harum litterarum suarum Faustus sic miratur Adimantum. ut ei solum praeferat Manichaeum, conpendio requiro, utrum ista domini sententia, qua dixit non inquinari hominem his, quae in os eius intrant. uera an falsa sit. si falsam dicunt, cur eam tantus eorum doctor Adimantus a Christo prolatam dicens ad expugnandum testamentum uetus obiecit? si autem uera est, cur aduersus eam credunt se coinquinari, si quacumque carne uescantur? nisi forte uerum respondere uelint et dicere apostolum non dixisse: omnia munda haereticis, sed omnia munda mundis. cur enim non sint istis haec munda, idem apostolus sequitur et dicit: inmundis autem et infidelibus nihil est mundum; sed polluta sunt eorum et mens et conscientia. unde reuera Manichaeis omnino nihil est mundum, quandoquidem etiam ipsam dei substantiam uel naturam non solum coinquinari potuisse sed etiam ex parte coinquinatam esse contendunt; nec solum coinquinatam esse uerum etiam ex omni parte recuperari mundarique non posse. unde mirum est, quod ita se dicunt inmundas omnes carnes existimare et ob hoc ab eis abstinere, quasi aliquid existiment esse mundum non solum escarum, sed omnium creaturarum. nam et ipsa olera et poma et omnes fruges et totam terram et caelum commixtione gentis tenebrarum perhibent inquinata. utinam ergo et in ceteris cibis errori suo congruerent atque ab his, quae inmunda dicunt, omnibus abstinendo fame potius morerentur quam tales blasphemias pertinaciter loquerentur! nam se corrigere atque emendare nolentibus hoc esse utilius quis non intellegat?
But if you will not eat meat, why do you not slaughter the animals themselves as offerings to your God, so that those souls, which you think not only human but so divine that you believe them to be the very members of God, may be released from the prison of the flesh and, by being commended through your prayers, may not return again? Or do you help them more with your belly than with your mind, and is that nature of God rather saved which has been found worthy to be breathed out by your bowels than that which is commended by your prayers? So the reason you do not sacrifice cattle to your belly is that you cannot consume them alive, so as to free their souls by the intercession of your stomach. O blessed vegetables, which, though pulled up by hand, cut with iron, tortured by fire, and ground by teeth, are still granted to reach the altars of your intestines alive; and wretched cattle, which, because they leave their bodies sooner, cannot enter your bodies! Raving in this way, you still think that we are enemies of the Old Testament because we call no flesh unclean, holding to the apostle’s statement, “To the pure all things are pure,” and to the Lord’s saying, “Not what enters your mouth defiles you, but what comes out.” The Lord did not say this to the crowds only, as your Adimantus, whom Faustus praises above all others after Mani, wished it to be understood when he slandered the Old Testament; but, away from the crowds, he also said the same thing to his disciples more clearly and expressly. For when Adimantus had set this saying of the Lord against the Old Testament, because certain meats are written there as unclean, from which that people was commanded to abstain, he feared it might be said to him: “Why then do you consider not some but all meats unclean, and refrain from eating any, when you yourself bring forward the gospel testimony that a man is not defiled by the things that go into the mouth, pass into the belly, and are cast out into the latrine?” So, trying to escape from these tight straits, which choke his deceit with most manifest truth, he says that the Lord said this to the crowds, as if he told the truth to a few in secret but threw out falsehoods to the crowds; though it is sacrilege to believe this of the Lord, and all who read know that he said it even more plainly to the disciples when the crowds had been sent away. Therefore, since at the beginning of his writing Faustus so admires Adimantus as to prefer only Mani to him, I ask in brief whether this saying of the Lord, in which he said that a man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, is true or false. If they say it is false, why did their great teacher Adimantus cite it as uttered by Christ in order to assail the Old Testament? But if it is true, why, against it, do they believe that they are defiled if they eat any meat? Unless perhaps they would answer truly and say that the apostle did not say, “To heretics all things are pure,” but, “To the pure all things are pure.” For why these things are not pure to such men, the same apostle goes on to say: “But to the impure and unbelieving nothing is pure, but both their mind and conscience are defiled.” Hence, in truth, to the Manichaeans nothing at all is pure, since they maintain that even the very substance or nature of God not only could be defiled but has in part been defiled; and not only defiled, but cannot be recovered and cleansed in every part. So it is strange that they say they consider all meats unclean and therefore abstain from them, as if they considered anything pure, not only among foods but among all creatures. For they hold that the vegetables themselves and fruits and all crops and the whole earth and sky are defiled by mixture with the nation of darkness. Would that they were consistent with their error in other foods too, and by abstaining from all that they call unclean would rather die of hunger than stubbornly speak such blasphemies! For who does not understand that this would be more useful for those who refuse to correct and amend themselves?
Titus 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 15:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 15:17 (allusion, high confidence) · Mark 7:17–19 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues that Christ’s teaching that food does not defile, which Adimantus cited against the Old Testament, also refutes the Manichaean abstinence from meat.
- Quotations: Titus 1:15; Matt 15:11, 17 (cf. Mark 7:17–19). Augustine answers Adimantus also in Against Adimantus.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (hyphenation residue in the digital text; stray letter in the digital text): ani-. malia → animalia; liberetis.s o beata → liberetis. o beata.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.6 (CSEL 25.1:292–294; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.7CSEL 25.1:294–296
Testamento autem ueteri, ubi quidam cibi carnium prohibentur, cur non sit contraria ista sententia, qua dicit apostolus: omnia munda mundis et: omnis creatura dei bona est, si possunt, intellegant hoc apostolum de ipsis dixisse naturis, illas autem litteras propter quasdam praefigurationes tempori congruentes animalia quaedam non natura, sed significatione inmunda dixisse. itaque uerbi gratia, si de porco et agno requiratur, utrumque natura mundum est, quia omnis creatura dei bona est; quadam uero significatione agnus mundus, porcus inmundus est. tamquam si stultum et sapientem diceres, utrumque hoc uerbum natura uocis et litterarum et syllabarum, quibus constat. utique mundum est: significatione autem unum horum uerbum. quod dicitur stultus. inmundum dici potest, non natura sui, sed quoniam quiddam inmundum significat. et fortasse quod est in rerum figuris porcus, hoc est in rerum genere stultus, et tam illud animal quam istae duae syllabae, quod dicitur stultus, quiddam unum idemque significat. inmundum quippe illud animal in lege positum est eo, quod non ruminet; non autem hoc eius uitium, sed natura est. sunt autem homines, qui per hoc animal significantur, inmundi proprio uitio, non natura; qui cum libenter audiant uerba sapientiae, postea de his omnino non cogitant. quod enim utile audieris, uelut ab intestino memoriae tamquam ad os cogitationis recordandi dulcedine reuocare quid est aliud quam spiritaliter quodam modo ruminare? quod qui non faciunt, illorum animalium genere figurantur; unde et ipsa a talibus carnibus abstinentia tale uitium nos cauere praemonuit. cum enim thesaurus desiderabilis sit ipsa sapientia, de hac munditia ruminandi et inmunditia non ruminandi alio loco scriptum est: thesaurus desiderabilis requiescit in ore sapientis, uir autem stultus gluttit illum. hae autem similitudines rerum in locutionibus et obseruationibus figuratis propter quaerendi et comparandi exercitationem rationales mentes utiliter et suauiter mouent. sed priori populo multa talia non tantum audienda, uerum etiam obseruanda praecepta sunt. tempus enim erat, quo non tantum dictis, sed etiam factis prophetari oporteret ea, quae posteriore tempore fuerant reuelanda. quibus per Christum atque in Christo reuelatis fidei gentium onera obseruationum non sunt inposita, prophetiae tamen auctoritas commendata, ecce nos diximus, qua causa, cum secundum domini apostolique sententiam nullas animalium carnes inmundas habeamus, ueteri tamen testamento, ubi quaedam inmundae dictae sunt. non aduersemur: uos iam dicite, quare inmundas carnes existimetis.
But why this statement of the apostle, “To the pure all things are pure,” and, “Every creature of God is good,” is not contrary to the Old Testament, where certain meats are prohibited, let them understand if they can: the apostle said this of natures themselves, while those writings, because of certain prefigurations suited to the time, called certain animals unclean not by nature but by signification. So, for example, if one asks about the pig and the lamb, both are clean by nature, because every creature of God is good; but by a certain signification the lamb is clean, the pig unclean. It is as if you said “fool” and “wise”: each of these words is certainly clean by the nature of the sound and of the letters and syllables of which it consists; but by signification one of them, the word “fool,” can be called unclean, not by its own nature but because it signifies something unclean. And perhaps what the pig is among the figures of things, the fool is in the reality of things, and both that animal and these two syllables, stultus, signify one and the same thing. For that animal was set down in the law as unclean because it does not chew the cud; but this is not its fault but its nature. But there are people signified by this animal who are unclean by their own fault, not by nature: they gladly hear the words of wisdom, but afterward do not think about them at all. For what is it to call back something useful that you have heard, by the sweetness of remembering, from the bowels of memory as it were to the mouth of thought, but in a certain spiritual way to chew the cud? Those who do not do this are figured by that kind of animal; hence abstinence from such meats forewarned us to beware of such a fault. For since wisdom itself is a desirable treasure, it is written in another place of this cleanness of chewing the cud and uncleanness of not chewing it: “A desirable treasure rests in the mouth of the wise, but a foolish man swallows it.” Such likenesses of things in figurative expressions and observances move rational minds profitably and pleasantly by the exercise of seeking and comparing. But to the former people many such things were commanded not only to be heard but also to be observed. For it was a time when the things to be revealed in a later time had to be prophesied not only by words but also by deeds. When these were revealed through Christ and in Christ, the burdens of observances were not imposed on the faith of the Gentiles, yet the authority of the prophecy was commended. See, we have said why, although according to the judgment of the Lord and the apostle we hold no animal flesh unclean, we nevertheless do not oppose the Old Testament, where certain kinds are called unclean. Now you tell us why you consider meats unclean.
Titus 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Lev 11:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Deut 14:8 (allusion, medium confidence) · Prov 21:20 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine explains that the Old Testament called some animals unclean by signification, not by nature, illustrating with the pig that does not chew the cud as a figure of those who do not ponder wisdom.
- Quotations: Titus 1:15; 1 Tim 4:4; Lev 11:7 (Deut 14:8); Prov 21:20 in its Old Latin/Septuagint form.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): buna → bona.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.7 (CSEL 25.1:294–296; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.8CSEL 25.1:296–299
Si secundum errorem uestrum propter commixtionem gentis tenebrarum non carnes, sed ipse deus uester inmundus est in ea parte, quam uelut debellandis et captiuandis hostibus absorbendam et inquinandam misit et miscuit, deinde propter ipsam commixtionem etiam quicquid aliud manducatis, inmundum est. sed dicitis: multo amplius inmundae sunt carnes. et quare amplius inmundae sunt carnes longum est eorum de hac re deliramenta commemorare, sed breuiter adtingam, quod sat est. ut inspiciantur reprehensores ueteris testamenti tanta stultitiae uetustate confecti, ut carnis accusatores sine ulla spiritali ueritate solam carnem sapere conuincantur. fortassis enim paulo prolixior ista responsio sic aduersus eos lectorem instruet, ut in ceteris responsionibus non a nobis tam multa uerba requirantur. dicunt enim isti uaniloqui et mentis seductores in illa pugna, quando primus homo eorum tenebrarum gentem elementis fallacibus inretiuit, utriusque sexus principibus indidem captis, cum ex eis mundus construeretur, plerosque eorum in caelestibus fabricis conligatos, in quibus erant etiam feminae aliquae praegnantes: quae cum caelum rotari coepisset, eandem uertiginem ferre non ualentes conceptus suos abortu excussisse: eosdemque abortiuos fetus et masculos et feminas de caelo in terram cecidisse, uixisse. creuisse, concubuisse, genuisse. hinc esse dicunt originem carnium omnium, quae mouentur in terra, in aqua, in aere. ergo si de caelo est origo carnium, absurdissimum est propter hoc eas inmundiores putare, praesertim quia in ipsa structura mundi eosdem principes tenebrarum ita per omnem contextionem a summis usque ad ima conligatos dicunt, ut quanto quaeque amplius haberent commixti boni, tanto sublimius conlocari mererentur ac per hoc mundiores carnes esse deberent, quarum origo de caelo est, quam fruges quae oriuntur ex terra. deinde quid tam insanum dici potest quam conceptus factos ante uitae commixtionem tanto uiuaciores fuisse, ut et abortiui et de caelo in terram ruentes uiuerent, commixta autem uita nisi tempore maturo editi uiuere non possint, et si de paulo altiore loco cadant. continuo moriantur? utique si regnum uitae contra regnum mortis belligerauit, commixta uita uiuaciores facere debuit, non corruptibiliores. quodsi in sua natura quaeque res magis suam retinet incorruptionem, non duas naturas, bonam et malam. sed duas bonas, quarum sit una melior, praedicare debuerunt. unde igitur adserunt inmundiores carnes, quas de caelo genus ducere adfirmant, istas dumtaxat omnibus notas? nam ipsa prima corpora principum tenebrarum ex arboribus ibidem natis tamquam uermiculos opinantur exorta, ipsas autem arbores ex quinque illis elementis. proinde si animalium corpora primam originem habent ex arboribus, secundam de caelo, quid causae est, ut inmundiora quam fructus arborum aestimentur? si propterea, quia cum moriuntur, amittunt animam, ut iam inmundum sit. quicquid uita deserente manserit, cur eodem pacto non sunt inmunda olera uel poma, quae utique, sicut supra dictum est. cum decerpuntur uel auelluntur, moriuntur? horum quippe homicidiorum rei esse nolunt, dum nihil ex terra uel ex arbore decerpunt. deinde cum duas animas esse in uno animantis corpore adfirmant, unam bonam de gente lucis, alteram malam de gente tenebrarum, numquid, cum occiditur animal, bona anima fugit et mala remanet? si enim hoc esset, si uiueret animal occisum, quomodo uiuebat in gente tenebrarum, quando solam suae gentis habebat animam, qua etiam rebellauerat aduersum regna diuina? cum ergo in morte cuiuslibet animalis utraque anima. et bona et mala, deserat carnem, cur inmunda caro dicitur, quasi a sola bona anima deseratur? quia etsi aliquae uitae reliquiae remanent, ex utraque remanent; nec ipsum quippe fimum dicunt remanere sine aliquibus exiguis reliquiis membrorum dei. nullam igitur causam reperiunt, cur adseuerent carnes frugibus inmundiores. sed uidelicet fallacem castitatem suam ostentare conantes eo putant inmundiorem carnem, quod de concubitu existat, quasi non tanto uehementius coguntur membro illi diuino manducando succurrere. quanto illic artius conligatum putant. postremo si ista causa est maioris inmunditiae carnium, ea comedant animalium corpora. quae non de concubitu oriuntur, sicut sunt innumerabilia genera uermium, quorum nonnullos uulgo edunt quaedam Veneticae regiones ex arboribus natos. ranas etiam, quas repente ex una pluuia terra generat, in escam isti adsumere debuerunt. ut dei sui membra talibus formis commixta liberarent, si eam carnem detestantur, quae concubitu propagatur. et genus humanum erroris arguerent, quod gallinis columbisque uescantur ex masculorum feminarumque coitu procreatis et mundiores caeli et terrae filias ranas abiciant. nam secundum istorum fabulam mundiores sunt primi principes tenebrarum. quorum parentes arbores fuerunt. quam ipse Manichaeus. quem pater et mater concumbendo genuerunt, mundiores etiam peduculi eorum. qui sine concubitu sudore carnis uel corporis exhalatione nascuntur, quam isti ipsi miseri, qui de parentibus concumbentibus nati sunt. aut si iam quicquid ex carne etiam sine concubitu nascitur, propterea putant inmundum, quia ipsa caro ex concubitu est, inmunda erunt olera et fruges, quae de stercoribus fertilius uberiusque surrexerint. ubi uideant, quid faciant uel quid respondeant, qui fruges dicunt mundiores esse quam carnes. nam stercore quid inmundius ex carne proicitur et quid frugibus feracius adhibetur? certe ipsi dicunt per adtritiones et digestiones ciborum fugere inde uitam et exiguum quiddam in stercore remanere. cur ergo ubi exigua uita remanet, inde cibi uestri, hoc est fructus terrae de stercore et meliores et maiores et plures existunt? caro non purgamentis terrae. sed fetibus pascitur; terra uero purgamentis carnis, non fetibus fecundatur. eligant, quid sit mundius, aut iam correcti desinant esse inmundi et infideles, quibus nihil sit mundum, et nobiscum amplectantur apostolum dicentem: omnia munda mundis; domini est terra et plenitudo eius; omnis creatura dei bona est. omnia quippe, quae naturaliter sunt, in ordine suo bona sunt et nemo in eis peccat, nisi qui ordinem suum in dei oboedientia non custodiens eorum quoque ordinem male utendo perturbat.
If, according to your error, because of the mixture of the nation of darkness, it is not meats but your God himself who is unclean in that part which he sent and mixed in to be swallowed and defiled, as if to subdue and capture the enemy, then, because of that same mixture, whatever else you eat is also unclean. But you say: “Meats are much more unclean.” Why meats are more unclean—it would take long to recount their ravings on this matter, but I will touch briefly on what is enough, so that these critics of the Old Testament may be seen to be so worn out by the oldness of folly that, as accusers of the flesh, they are shown to savor nothing but the flesh, without any spiritual truth. For perhaps this somewhat longer reply will so equip the reader against them that not so many words will be required of us in the other replies. For these vain talkers and seducers of the mind say that in that battle, when their First Man ensnared the nation of darkness with deceitful elements, princes of both sexes were captured from there; and when the world was built out of them, many of them were bound in the heavenly structures, among whom were some pregnant females; and when the sky began to rotate, unable to bear its whirling, they miscarried and cast out what they had conceived; and these aborted offspring, male and female, fell from the sky to the earth, lived, grew, mated, and bore young. From this, they say, is the origin of all flesh that moves on the earth, in the water, and in the air. So if the origin of flesh is from the sky, it is utterly absurd to think it more unclean on that account, especially since they say that in the very structure of the world those same princes of darkness were so bound throughout the whole fabric, from the highest to the lowest, that the more mixed good each had, the higher it deserved to be placed; and so meats, whose origin is from the sky, ought to be purer than crops, which arise from the earth. Next, what can be said that is so insane as that conceptions formed before the mixture of life were so much more vigorous that, though aborted and falling from sky to earth, they lived, while, once life has been mixed in, they cannot live unless born at the proper time, and if they fall from even a slightly higher place, they die at once? Surely, if the kingdom of life made war against the kingdom of death, the mixture of life ought to have made them more vigorous, not more perishable. But if each thing better keeps its incorruption in its own nature, they ought to have preached not two natures, a good and an evil, but two good ones, one of them better. On what ground, then, do they assert that those meats are more unclean which they say derive their race from the sky, at least those known to everyone? For they suppose that the very first bodies of the princes of darkness arose, like little worms, from trees born in that same place, and the trees themselves from those five elements. So if the bodies of animals have their first origin from trees and their second from the sky, what reason is there for considering them more unclean than the fruits of trees? If it is because, when they die, they lose their soul, so that whatever remains when life departs is then unclean, why on the same terms are vegetables and fruits not unclean, which certainly, as was said above, die when they are plucked or pulled up? For they do not want to be guilty of these murders, so long as they pluck nothing from the earth or a tree. Next, since they assert that there are two souls in the one body of a living creature, one good, from the nation of light, the other evil, from the nation of darkness, does the good soul flee when the animal is killed, and the evil one remain? For if that were so, and the killed animal still lived, how did it live in the nation of darkness, when it had only the soul of its own nation, with which it had even rebelled against the divine realms? Since, then, at the death of any animal both souls, the good and the evil, leave the flesh, why is the flesh called unclean, as if it were left by the good soul alone? For even if some remnants of life remain, they remain from both; for they say that not even dung remains without some small remnants of the members of God. So they find no reason to assert that meats are more unclean than crops. But, of course, trying to show off their deceitful chastity, they think flesh more unclean because it comes from intercourse; as if they were not all the more urgently obliged to help that divine member by eating, the more tightly they think it is bound there. Finally, if this is the reason for the greater uncleanness of meats, let them eat the bodies of animals that do not arise from intercourse, such as the countless kinds of worms, some of which, born from trees, are commonly eaten in certain regions of Venetia. Frogs too, which the earth produces suddenly from a single rain, they ought to have taken as food, to free the members of their God mixed in such forms, if they detest the flesh that is propagated by intercourse; and they ought to accuse the human race of error for eating hens and pigeons, procreated by the coupling of males and females, while rejecting the purer frogs, daughters of sky and earth. For according to their fable the first princes of darkness, whose parents were trees, are purer than Mani himself, whom a father and mother begot by intercourse; and even their lice, which are born without intercourse from the sweat of the flesh or the exhalation of the body, are purer than these wretches themselves, who were born of parents who had intercourse. Or if they think that whatever is born from flesh, even without intercourse, is unclean because the flesh itself is from intercourse, then vegetables and crops will be unclean which have sprung up more fertile and abundant from dung. Let those who say that crops are purer than meats see what to do here, or what to answer. For what more unclean is cast out from the flesh than dung, and what is applied to crops with more fruitfulness? Certainly they themselves say that through the grinding and digestion of foods life flees from them, and only some tiny bit remains in the dung. Why then, from the place where only a tiny bit of life remains, do your foods, that is, the fruits of the earth, come forth better, larger, and more plentiful? Flesh is fed not on the refuse of the earth but on its produce; but the earth is fertilized not by the produce of the flesh but by its refuse. Let them choose which is purer; or let them now be corrected and cease to be unclean and unbelieving, to whom nothing is pure, and let them embrace with us the apostle who says: “To the pure all things are pure”; “The earth is the Lord’s, and its fullness”; “Every creature of God is good.” For all things that exist by nature are good in their own order, and no one sins in them except he who, not keeping his own order in obedience to God, disturbs their order too by using them badly.
Titus 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 10:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 24:1 (23:1 Vulg.) (quotation, medium confidence) · 1 Tim 4:4 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Augustine refutes the Manichaean reasons for holding meat more unclean than plants, including their myth that animals descend from aborted offspring of demons fallen from the sky.
- Augustine reports the Manichaean myth of the abortions of the captured princes of darkness. “Veneticae regiones” is taken as Venetia in northern Italy; the identification is uncertain. Quotations: Titus 1:15; 1 Cor 10:26 (Ps 24:1); 1 Tim 4:4.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): cura duas animas → cum duas animas.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, C. Faust. 6.8 (CSEL 25.1:296–299; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-faustum/6-2/#p-6-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation of R. Stothert in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).