On the Governance of God 0.1–1.36
Latin text: CSEL 8 (Latin text: CSEL, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).
On the Governance of God 0.1
0.1CSEL 8:1–2
Omnes admodum homines, qui pertinere ad humani officii culturam existimarunt, ut aliquod linguarum opus studio ingeniorum excuderent, id speciali cura elaborarunt ut, siue utiles res ac probas siue inutiles atque probas stilo tegerent, seriem tantum rerum nitore uerborum inlustrarent causisque ipsis quas loqui uellent loquendo lucem accenderent. itaque ad hanc se partem ex utroque genere litterarum scriptores mundialium negotiorum plurimi contulerunt, non satis considerantes, quam probabilibus materiis se impenderent, dummodo ea quaecumque dicerent aut compto et blando carmine canerent aut luculenta oratione narrarent.
Almost all men who have thought it part of the cultivation of human duty to hammer out some literary work by the zeal of their talents have labored with special care, whether they were treating with the pen things useful and honorable or useless and honorable, only to brighten the sequence of their matter with the polish of words, and by speaking to kindle light on the very subjects they wished to speak of. So most writers on worldly affairs in both kinds of literature have devoted themselves to this part, not considering enough how worthy the material was on which they spent themselves, provided that whatever they said they either sang in elegant and charming verse or told in brilliant prose.
Notes and citation
Summary: Preface: worldly writers have cared for elegance of style more than worth of subject.
- “Both kinds of literature”: poetry and prose. The second “probas” is probably a slip for improbas (“dishonorable”); translated as printed.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 0.1 (CSEL 8:1–2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/0-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.2CSEL 8:2
omnes enim in scriptis suis causas tantum egerunt suas et propriis magis laudibus quam aliorum utilitatibus consulentes non id facere adnisi sunt, ut salubres ac salutiferi sed ut scholastici ac diserti haberentur. itaque scripta eorum aut uanitate sunt tumida aut falsitate infamia aut uerborum foeditatibus sordida aut rerum obscenitate uitiosa, ut uere, cum ingeniorum tantum laudem aucupantes tam indignis rebus curam impenderent, non tam inlustrasse mihi ipsa ingenia quam damnasse uideantur.
For all of them in their writings pleaded only their own cause, and, consulting their own praise rather than others’ benefit, strove not to be thought wholesome and saving but learned and eloquent. So their writings are swollen with vanity, or notorious for falsehood, or filthy with foul words, or vicious with obscenity of matter; so that truly, since they spent their care on such unworthy things while hunting only for praise of their talents, they seem to me not so much to have brought their talents to light as to have condemned them.
Notes and citation
Summary: Such writers sought praise, and their works are vain, false, or obscene.
- “Infamia” is read as infamia (“notorious”).
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 0.2 (CSEL 8:2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/0-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.3CSEL 8:2
nos autem, qui rerum magis quam uerborum amatores utilia potius quam plausibilia sectamur neque id quaerimus, ut in nobis inania saeculorum ornamenta sed ut salubria rerum emolumenta laudentur, in scriptiunculis nostris non lenocinia esse uolumus sed remedia, quae scilicet non tam otiosorum auribus placeant quam aegrotorum mentibus prosint, magnum ex utraque re caelestibus donis fructum reportaturi.
But we, lovers of things rather than words, pursue what is useful rather than what is applauded, and do not seek that the empty ornaments of the age be praised in us but the wholesome profit of the matter; in our little writings we want not allurements but remedies, which may not so much please the ears of the idle as benefit the minds of the sick, and from either outcome we shall bring back a great fruit by heavenly gifts.
Notes and citation
Summary: Salvian writes to heal, not to please.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 0.3 (CSEL 8:2; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/0-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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0.4CSEL 8:2–3
si enim haec salus nostra sanauerit quorundam non bonam de deo nostro opinionem, fructus non paruus erit, quod multis profui. sin autem id non prouenerit, et hoc ipsum infructuosum forsitan non erit, quod prodesse temptaui. mens enim boni studii ac pii uoti, etiamsi effectum non inuenerit coepti operis, habet tamen praemium uoluntatis. hinc ergo ordiar.
For if this our remedy heals some people’s bad opinion of our God, the fruit will not be small, that I have helped many. But if that does not come about, even this perhaps will not be fruitless, that I tried to help. For a mind of good zeal and pious desire, even if it does not achieve the effect of the work undertaken, still has the reward of its will. Here, then, I shall begin.
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Summary: Salvian aims to correct a false opinion of God and will be rewarded for the attempt.
- “Salus nostra” is perhaps a slip for “salubritas”; translated by sense as “remedy”.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 0.4 (CSEL 8:2–3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/0-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 1
1.1CSEL 8:3
Incuriosus a quibusdam et quasi neglegens humanorum actuum deus dicitur utpote nec bonos custodiens nec coercens malos, et ideo in hoc saeculo bonos plerumque miseros, malos beatos esse. sufficere quidem ad refellenda haec, quia cum Christianis agimus, solus deberet sermo diuinus. sed quia multi incredulitatis paganicae aliquid in se habent, etiam paganorum forsitan electorum atque sapientium testimoniis delectentur. probamus igitur, ne illos quidem de incuriositate ac neglegentia ista sensisse, qui uerae religionis expertes nequaquam utique deum nosse potuerunt, quia legem per quam deus agnoscitur nescierunt.
God is said by some to be unconcerned and, as it were, neglectful of human actions, inasmuch as he neither guards the good nor restrains the wicked; and that is why in this age the good are for the most part wretched and the wicked happy. Since we are dealing with Christians, the divine word alone ought indeed to be enough to refute this. But because many have something of pagan unbelief in them, perhaps they may also be pleased by the testimonies of chosen and wise pagans. We prove, therefore, that not even those held this view of unconcern and neglect who, lacking the true religion, could in no way know God, since they did not know the law by which God is known.
Notes and citation
Summary: Book 1 opens: against those who say God neglects human affairs, Salvian first cites pagan philosophers.
- The chapter numeral “I” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked; OCR slip): I. Incuriosns → Incuriosus.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.1 (CSEL 8:3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.2CSEL 8:3
Pythagoras philosophus, quem quasi magistrum suum philosophia ipsa suspexit, de natura ac beneficiis dei disserens sic locutus est: animus per omnes mundi partes commeans atque diffusus, ex quo omnia quae nascuntur animalia uitam capiunt. quomodo igitur mundum neglegere deus dicitur, quem hoc ipso scilicet satis diligit, quod ipsum se per totum mundi corpus intendit?
The philosopher Pythagoras, whom philosophy itself looked up to as its master, speaking of the nature and benefits of God, said this: “A mind passing through and spread throughout all parts of the world, from which all living things that are born take life.” How, then, can God be said to neglect the world, which he loves enough by this very fact, that he extends himself through the whole body of the world?
Notes and citation
Summary: Pythagoras taught that the divine mind pervades the world.
- The saying is reported by Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods 1.27, and Lactantius, Inst. 1.5.
Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Nat. d. 1.27 (Cicero; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.2 (CSEL 8:3; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.3CSEL 8:3–4
Plato et omnes Platonicorum scholae moderatorem rerum omnium confitentur deum. Stoici eum gubernatoris uice intra id quod regat semper manere testantur. quid potuerunt de affectu ac diligentia dei rectius religiosiusque sentire quam ut eum gubernatori similem esse dicerent? hoc utique intellegentes, quod sicut nauigans gubernator numquam manum suam a gubernaculo, sic numquam penitus curam suam deus tollit a mundo; ac sicut ille et auras captans et saxa uitans et astra suspiciens totus sit simul tam corporis quam cordis officio operi suo deditus, ita scilicet deum nostrum ab uniuersitate omnium rerum nec munus dignantissimae uisionis auertere nec regimen prouidentiae suae tollere nec indulgentiam benignissimae pietatis auferre.
Plato and all the schools of the Platonists confess that God is the ruler of all things. The Stoics testify that he always remains, in the role of a helmsman, within what he governs. What could they have thought more rightly and religiously about the care and diligence of God than to say that he is like a helmsman? Understanding this, surely: that as the helmsman at sea never takes his hand from the helm, so God never wholly takes his care from the world; and as the helmsman, watching the winds, avoiding the rocks, and looking up at the stars, is wholly given to his work in body and heart at once, so our God never turns from the whole of things the gift of his most gracious regard, nor withdraws the guidance of his providence, nor takes away the indulgence of his most kind affection.
Notes and citation
Summary: Platonists and Stoics describe God as the ever-attentive helmsman of the world.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato (Plato (works); allusion)
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.3 (CSEL 8:3–4; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.4CSEL 8:4
unde etiam illud mysticae auctoritatis exemplum, quo se non minus philosophum Maro probare uoluit quam poetam, dicens: deum namque ire per omnes terrasque tractusque maris caelumque profundum. Tullius quoque: nec uero deus ipse, inquit, qui intellegitur a nobis, alio modo intellegi potest quam mens soluta quaedam et libera et segregata ab omni concretione mortali, omnia sentiens et mouens. alibi quoque nihil est inquit, praestantius deo: ab eo igitur mundum regi necesse est. nulli igitur naturae oboediens aut subiectus deus: omnem ergo regit ipse naturam: nisi forte nos uidelicet sapientissimi ita sentiamus, ut eum, a quo omnia regi dicimus, et regere simul et neglegere credamus.
Hence also that example of mystic authority by which Maro wished to show himself no less a philosopher than a poet, saying: “For God goes through all lands, and the tracts of the sea, and the deep sky.” Tullius too: “Nor can God himself,” he says, “as he is understood by us, be understood in any other way than as a mind unbound and free, separated from all mortal compound, perceiving and moving all things.” Elsewhere also: “Nothing,” he says, “is more excellent than God; by him, therefore, the world must be ruled. God, then, is obedient or subject to no nature; therefore he himself rules all nature.” Unless perhaps we, most wise as we are, should think that he by whom we say all things are ruled both rules them and neglects them at the same time.
Notes and citation
Summary: Virgil and Cicero also teach that God pervades and rules all things.
- Virgil, Georgics 4.221–222; Cicero, Tusculan Disputations 1.66; Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods 2.77.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark): philosophum Maro probare uoluit quam.poetam → philosophum Maro probare uoluit quam poetam; alio modois intellegi → alio modo intellegi.
Extrabiblical texts: Virgil, Georg. 4.221–222 (Virgil; quotation); Cicero, Tusc. 1.66 (Cicero; quotation); Cicero, Nat. d. 2.77 (Cicero; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.4 (CSEL 8:4; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.5CSEL 8:4–5
cum ergo omnes etiam religionis expertes ui ipsa et quadam necessitate compulsi et sentiri omnia a deo et moueri et regi dixerint, quomodo nunc eum incuriosum quidam ac neglegentem putant, qui et sentiat omnia per subtilitatem et moueat per fortitudinem et regat per potestatem et custodiat per benignitatem? dixi, quid de maiestate ac moderamine summi dei principes et philosophiae simul et eloquentiae iudicarint. ideo autem nobilissimos utriusque excellentissimae artis magistros protuli, quo facilius uel omnes alios idem sensisse uel certe sine auctoritate aliqua dissensisse monstrarem. et sane inuenire aliquos, qui ab istorum iudicio discrepauerint, praeter Epicureorum uel quorundam epicurizantium deliramenta non possum, qui sicut uoluptatem cum uirtute sic deum cum incuria ac torpore iunxerunt, ut appareat eos, qui ita sentiunt, sicut sensum Epicureorum atque sententiam ita etiam uitia sectari.
Since, then, all, even those without religion, compelled by necessity itself, have said that all things are perceived, moved, and ruled by God, how do some now think him unconcerned and neglectful, who perceives all things by his subtlety, moves them by his strength, rules them by his power, and guards them by his kindness? I have stated what the leaders of philosophy and of eloquence alike judged about the majesty and governance of the supreme God. I brought forward the noblest masters of both most excellent arts so that I might more easily show either that all others thought the same, or at least that they dissented without any authority. And indeed I can find none who differed from their judgment except the ravings of the Epicureans or of certain Epicureanizers, who, as they joined pleasure with virtue, so joined God with unconcern and torpor, so that it is plain that those who think so follow the vices of the Epicureans as well as their sense and opinion.
Notes and citation
Summary: Only the Epicureans deny God’s care, and their view matches their vices.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): expertes ni ipsa et quadam → expertes ui ipsa et quadam.
Extrabiblical texts: Epicurus (Epicurus (sayings and fragments); allusion)
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.5 (CSEL 8:4–5; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.6CSEL 8:5–6
Non puto quod ad probandam nunc rem tam perspicuam etiam diuinis uti hoc loco testimoniis debeamus, maxime quia sermones sacri ita abunde et euidenter cunctis impiorum propositionibus contradicunt, ut, dum sequentibus eorum calumniis satisfacimus, etiam ea quae supra dicta sunt plenius refutare possimus. aiunt igitur a deo omnia praetermitti, quia nec coerceat malos nec tueatur bonos, et ideo in hoc saeculo deteriorem admodum statum esse meliorum: bonos quippe esse in paupertate malos in abundantia, bonos in infirmitate malos in fortitudine, bonos semper in luctu malos semper in gaudio, bonos in miseria et abiectione malos in prosperitate et dignitate.
I do not think that to prove so obvious a matter we need now use divine testimonies at this point, especially since the sacred words contradict all the propositions of the impious so abundantly and plainly that, while we answer their subsequent slanders, we can also more fully refute what was said above. They say, then, that God passes over everything, since he neither restrains the wicked nor protects the good, and that therefore in this age the condition of the better is much the worse: the good in poverty, the wicked in abundance; the good in weakness, the wicked in strength; the good always mourning, the wicked always rejoicing; the good in misery and abasement, the wicked in prosperity and rank.
Notes and citation
Summary: The opponents argue that God’s neglect is shown by the good suffering and the wicked prospering.
- The chapter numeral “II” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text; repeated syllable; stray mark): II. Non puto quod → Non puto quod; proposositionibus → propositionibus; eorum calumniis. satisfacimus → eorum calumniis satisfacimus.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.6 (CSEL 8:5–6; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.7CSEL 8:6
primum igitur ab his, qui hoc ita esse uel dolent uel accusant, illud requiro, de sanctis hoc, id est de ueris ac fidelibus Christianis, an de falsis et inpostoribus doleant. si de falsis, superfluus dolor, qui malos doleat non beatos esse, cum utique quicumque mali sunt successu rerum deteriores fiant, gaudentes sibi nequitiae studium bene cedere, et ideo uel ob hoc ipsum miserrimi esse debeant, ut mali esse desistant, uindicantes improbissimis quaestibus nomen religionis et praeferentes ad sordidissimas negotiationes titulum sanctitatis: quorum scilicet nequitiis si miseriae comparentur, minus sunt miseri quam merentur, quia in quibuslibet miseriis constituti non sunt tamen tam miseri quam sunt mali.
First, then, I ask of those who either grieve or complain that this is so whether they grieve over the holy, that is, true and faithful Christians, or over false ones and impostors. If over false ones, the grief is superfluous that grieves that the wicked are not happy, since whoever are wicked become worse through success, rejoicing that their pursuit of wickedness prospers; and so for this very reason they ought to be most wretched, so that they may cease to be wicked, since they claim the name of religion for most wicked gains and display the title of holiness for the filthiest trading. If their miseries were compared with their wickedness, they are less wretched than they deserve, because, placed in whatever miseries, they are still not as wretched as they are wicked.
Notes and citation
Summary: Grief for false Christians’ misfortunes is misplaced; they deserve worse.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): primum igitur ab ns, qui → primum igitur ab his, qui.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.7 (CSEL 8:6; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.8CSEL 8:6–7
nequaquam ergo pro his dolendum, quod non sint diuites ac beati, multo autem pro sanctis minus, quia quamlibet uideantur ignorantibus esse miseri, non possunt tamen esse aliud quam beati. superfluum autem est, ut eos quispiam uel infirmitate uel paupertate uel aliis istiusmodi rebus existimet esse miseros, quibus se illi confidunt esse felices; nemo enim aliorum sensu miser est sed suo. et ideo non possunt cuiusquam falso iudicio esse miseri, qui sunt uere sua conscientia beati; nulli enim, ut opinor, beatiores sunt quam qui ex sententia sua atque ex uoto agunt. humiles sunt religiosi, hoc uolunt; pauperes sunt, pauperie delectantur; sine ambitione sunt, ambitum respuunt; inhonori sunt, honorem fugiunt; lugent, lugere gestiunt; infirmi sunt, infirmitate laetantur. cum enim, inquit apostolus, infirmor, tunc potens sum. nec immerito sic arbitratur, ad quem deus ipse sic loquitur: sufficit tibi gratia mea; nam uirtus in infirmitate perficitur.
In no way, then, should we grieve for these, that they are not rich and happy; and much less for the holy, since, however wretched they may seem to the ignorant, they cannot be anything but happy. It is superfluous for anyone to think them wretched through weakness or poverty or other such things, by which they trust they are happy; for no one is wretched by another’s feeling but by his own. So those cannot be wretched by anyone’s false judgment who are truly happy in their own conscience; for none, I think, are happier than those who live according to their own judgment and wish. The religious are humble: they want this; they are poor: they delight in poverty; they are without ambition: they reject ambition; they are without honor: they flee honor; they mourn: they long to mourn; they are weak: they rejoice in weakness. “For when I am weak,” says the apostle, “then I am strong.” And not without reason does he think so, to whom God himself speaks thus: “My grace is sufficient for you; for strength is made perfect in weakness.”
2 Cor 12:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 12:9 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The truly religious are happy in the poverty and weakness they choose.
- 2 Cor 12:10; 12:9.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray letters; stray mark): minus, ia quia quamlibet → minus, quia quamlibet; non possunt tamen, esse aliud → non possunt tamen esse aliud; illi cofidunt → illi confidunt.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.8 (CSEL 8:6–7; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.9CSEL 8:7
nequaquam ergo nobis dolenda est haec adflictio infirmitatum, quam intellegimus matrem esse uirtutum. itaque quicquid illud fuerit, quicumque uere religiosi sunt, beati esse dicendi sunt, quia inter quamlibet dura quamlibet aspera nulli beatiores sunt quam qui hoc sunt quod uolunt. soleant quamuis esse nonnulli, qui turpia atque obscena sectantes, etsi iuxta opinionem suam beati sunt, quia adipiscuntur quod uolunt, re tamen ipsa beati non sunt, quia quod uolunt nolle debuerant. religiosi autem hoc cunctis beatiores sunt, quia et habent quae uolunt et meliora quam quae habent omnino habere non possunt. labor itaque et ieiunium et paupertas et humilitas et infirmitas non omnibus sunt onerosa tolerantibus sed tolerare nolentibus. siue enim grauia haec siue lenia; animus tolerantis facit. nam sicut nihil est tam leue, quod non ei graue sit qui inuitus facit, sic nihil est tam graue, quod non ei qui id libenter exequitur leue esse uideatur.
In no way, then, should we grieve over this affliction of weaknesses, which we understand to be the mother of virtues. So, whatever it may be, all who are truly religious must be called happy, because amid whatever hardships and harshness none are happier than those who are what they wish to be. There may indeed be some who, pursuing base and obscene things, are happy in their own opinion because they obtain what they want, yet are not happy in fact, because they ought not to have wanted what they want. But the religious are happier than all in this, that they both have what they want and cannot have anything at all better than what they have. So labor and fasting and poverty and humility and weakness are burdensome not to all who bear them, but to those unwilling to bear them. For whether these things are heavy or light, the mind of the one who bears them decides. For as nothing is so light that it is not heavy to him who does it unwillingly, so nothing is so heavy that it does not seem light to him who carries it out willingly.
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Summary: Hardships are light to those who choose them, and the religious have what they want.
Topics: Fasting
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.9 (CSEL 8:7; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.10CSEL 8:7–8
nisi forte antiquis illis priscae uirtutis uiris, Fabiis, Fabriciis, Cincinnatis, graue fuisse existimamus, quod pauperes erant qui diuites esse nolebant, cum omnia scilicet studia omnes conatus suos ad communia emolumenta conferrent et crescentes reipublicae uires priuata paupertate ditarent. numquid parcam illam tunc agrestemque uitam cum gemitu et dolore tolerabant, cum uiles ac rusticos cibos ante ipsos quibus coxerant focos sumerent, eosque ipsos capere nisi ad uesperam non liceret? numquid aegre ferebant, quod auara ac diuite conscientia auri talenta non premerent, cum etiam argenti usum legibus coercerent? numquid illecebrae et cupiditatis poenam putabant, quod distenta aureis nummis marsupia non haberent, cum patricium hominem, quod usque ad decem argenti libras diues esse uoluisset, indignum curia iudicarent?
Unless perhaps we think it was heavy for those ancient men of old-time virtue, the Fabii, the Fabricii, the Cincinnati, that they were poor, who did not wish to be rich, since they devoted all their zeal and all their efforts to the common profit and enriched the growing strength of the commonwealth by their private poverty. Did they bear that frugal and rustic life with groans and grief, when they took cheap and country food before the very hearths on which they had cooked it, and were not allowed to take even that until evening? Did they take it ill that they did not brood over talents of gold with a greedy and rich conscience, when they restrained even the use of silver by laws? Did they think it a penalty of allurement and desire that they did not have purses stretched with gold coins, when they judged a patrician unworthy of the senate because he had wished to be rich to the amount of ten pounds of silver?
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Summary: The heroes of early Rome were poor by choice and did not count it a hardship.
- The censor expelled P. Cornelius Rufinus from the senate for owning ten pounds of silver plate (Livy, Per. 14; Valerius Maximus 2.9.4).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): cam etiam argenti → cum etiam argenti; decem argenti libras dines → decem argenti libras diues.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.10 (CSEL 8:7–8; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.11CSEL 8:8
non despiciebant tunc, puto, pauperes cultus, cum uestem hirtam ac breuem sumerent, cum ab aratro arcesserentur ad fasces et inlustrandi habitu consulari illis fortasse ipsis quas adsumpturi erant imperialibus togis madidum sudore puluerem detergerent. itaque tunc illi pauperes magistratus opulentam rempublicam habebant, nunc autem diues potestas pauperem facit esse rempublicam. et quae, rogo, insania est aut quae caecitas, ut egestuosa ac mendicante republica diuitias posse credant stare priuatas? tales ergo tunc ueteres Romani erant et sic illi tunc contemnebant diuitias nescientes deum, sicut nunc spernunt sequentes dominum.
They did not then despise poor dress, I think, when they wore a rough and short garment, when they were called from the plough to the fasces and, to be adorned with consular dress, wiped the dust wet with sweat perhaps on the very imperial togas they were about to put on. So then those poor magistrates had a rich commonwealth; but now rich power makes the commonwealth poor. And what madness, I ask, or what blindness is it to believe that private riches can stand when the commonwealth is needy and begging? Such, then, were the old Romans, and they despised riches then, not knowing God, as men now spurn them following the Lord.
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Summary: Poor magistrates once made Rome rich; now rich officials make the state poor.
- Cincinnatus was called from the plough to the dictatorship (Livy 3.26).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): quas adsurapturi → quas adsumpturi; nunc autem dines potestas → nunc autem diues potestas.
Extrabiblical texts: Livy, 3.26 (Livy, History of Rome; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.11 (CSEL 8:8; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.12CSEL 8:8–9
quamquam quid ego de illis loquor, qui cura imperii propagandi contemptum propriae facultatis ad opes publicas conferebant et, licet priuatim pauperes essent, diuitiis tamen communibus abundabant, cum etiam Graeci quidam sapientiae sectatores sine ullo publicae utilitatis affectu prope omni se rei familiaris usu assequendae gloriae auiditate nudauerint, nec solum hoc, sed etiam usque ad contemptum doloris ac mortis doctrinae suae culmen erexerint, dicentes scilicet etiam in catenis atque suppliciis beatum esse sapientem. tantam uirtutis uim esse uoluerunt, ut non possit esse umquam uir bonus non beatus. si ergo illi a quibusdam nunc etiam sapientibus uiris miseri non putantur, qui nullos laboris sui fructus nisi ex praesenti tantum laude capiebant, quanto magis religiosi ac sancti uiri miseri non putandi sunt, qui et praesentis fidei oblectamenta capiunt et beatitudinis futurae praemia consequentur.
And yet why do I speak of those who, in their care to extend the empire, turned their contempt of their own means into public wealth, and, though poor in private, abounded in common riches, when even certain Greek followers of wisdom, without any desire for the public good, stripped themselves of almost all use of household property out of eagerness to gain glory; and not only this, but raised the summit of their teaching even to contempt of pain and death, saying that the wise man is happy even in chains and tortures? They wanted the power of virtue to be so great that a good man could never be unhappy. If, then, those are not thought wretched even by some wise men now, who took no fruit of their labor except present praise, how much more must religious and holy men not be thought wretched, who both take the delights of present faith and will obtain the rewards of future blessedness!
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Summary: Even Greek philosophers held the wise man happy in suffering; much more are the holy happy.
- The Stoic doctrine that the wise man is happy even on the rack (Cicero, Tusculan Disputations 5).
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.12 (CSEL 8:8–9; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.13CSEL 8:9
Dixit quidam ex istis, de quibus querimur, cuidam sancto uiro secundum ueritatis regulam sentienti, id est, quod deus omnia regeret ac, prout humano generi necessarium nosset, moderationem suam et gubernaculum temperaret: quare ergo, inquam, tu ipse infirmus es? hoc utique eo sensu atque iudicio, hoc est: si deus, ut putas, in hac praesenti uita omnia regit, si deus cuncta dispensat, qua ratione sanus ac fortis est homo, quem peccatorem scio, et tu infirmus, quem sanctum esse non ambigo? quis tam profundi cordis uirum non admiretur, qui merita religiosorum atque uirtutes tam magnis retributionibus dignas putat, ut in praesenti hac uita carnes et fortitudines corporum praemia putet debere esse sanctorum?
One of those of whom we complain said to a certain holy man who held according to the rule of truth, that is, that God rules all things and tempers his governance and guidance as he knows to be necessary for the human race: “Why then are you yourself sick?” He meant, surely, this: “If God, as you think, rules all things in this present life, if God disposes everything, for what reason is a man healthy and strong whom I know to be a sinner, and you sick, whom I do not doubt to be holy?” Who would not admire a man of such deep heart, who thinks the merits and virtues of the religious worthy of such great rewards that in this present life he thinks flesh and bodily strength ought to be the rewards of the saints?
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Summary: An opponent asked a sick holy man why God let him be ill while sinners were healthy.
- Ironic. The chapter numeral “III” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text): III. Dixit quidam → Dixit quidam.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.13 (CSEL 8:9; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.14CSEL 8:9–10
respondeo igitur non unius tantum religiosi nomine sed uniuersorum: quaeris igitur, quisquis ille es, qua ratione infirmi sint sancti uiri? respondeo breuiter: quia ideo sancti uiri infirmiores se esse faciunt, quia, si fortes fuerint, sancti esse uix possunt. opinor enim omnes omnino homines cibis ac poculis fortes esse, infirmos autem abstinentia ariditate ieiuniis. non ergo mirum est, quod infirmi sunt qui usum earum rerum respuunt, per quas alii fortes fiunt. et est ratio cur respuant, dicente Paulo apostolo de se ipso: castigo corpus meum et seruituti subicio, ne forte, cum aliis praedicauerim, ipse reprobus efficiar. si infirmitatem corporis adpetendam sibi etiam apostolus putat, quis sapienter euitat? si fortitudinem carnis apostolus metuit, quis rationabiliter fortis esse praesumit? haec ergo ratio est, qua homines Christo dediti et infirmi sunt et uolunt esse.
I answer, then, not in the name of one religious man only but of all. You ask, then, whoever you are, why holy men are sick? I answer briefly: holy men make themselves weaker because, if they were strong, they could hardly be holy. For I think all men are made strong by food and drink, and weak by abstinence, dryness, and fasts. It is no wonder, then, that those are weak who reject the use of the things by which others become strong. And there is reason for them to reject them, since the apostle Paul says of himself: “I chastise my body and bring it into subjection, lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become reprobate.” If even the apostle thinks bodily weakness something to seek for himself, who wisely avoids it? If the apostle fears strength of flesh, who reasonably presumes to be strong? This, then, is the reason why men devoted to Christ both are weak and wish to be.
1 Cor 9:27 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The holy are weak because they fast and discipline the body, following Paul.
- 1 Cor 9:27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (words run together): ipsereprobus → ipse reprobus.
Topics: Fasting
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.14 (CSEL 8:9–10; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.15CSEL 8:10
absit autem ut hoc argumento religiosos putemus a deo neglegi, per quod confidimus plus amari. legimus Timotheum apostolum carne infirmissimum fuisse. numquid neglegebatur a domino aut ob infirmitatem Christo non placuit qui ad hoc infirmus esse uoluit ut placeret? quemque etiam ipse apostolus Paulus, licet nimiis iam infirmitatibus laborantem, non tamen nisi pauxillulum uini sumere ac delibare permisit: hoc est, ita eum uoluit infirmitati suae consulere, quod noluit tamen ad fortitudinem peruenire. et hoc cur ita? cur absque dubio, nisi quia, ut ipse dicit: caro concupiscit aduersus spiritum, spiritus autem aduersus carnem? haec enim, inquit, inuicem sibi aduersantur, ut non quaecumque uultis, illa faciatis.
Far be it from us to think the religious neglected by God on the ground by which we trust they are loved more. We read that the apostle Timothy was very weak in body. Was he neglected by the Lord, or did he, who wished to be weak in order to please, not please Christ because of his weakness? Even the apostle Paul himself, though Timothy already labored under very many infirmities, permitted him to take and sip only a very little wine; that is, he wanted him to provide for his weakness, yet did not want him to arrive at strength. And why so? Why, without doubt, unless because, as he himself says, “the flesh lusts against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh; for these,” he says, “are opposed to one another, so that you do not do whatever you wish.”
1 Tim 5:23 (allusion, high confidence) · Gal 5:17 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Timothy’s weakness did not mean God neglected him; the flesh opposes the spirit.
- 1 Tim 5:23; Gal 5:17.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray marks): Christo non. placuit qui ad hoc infirmus esse uoluit ut placeret?. → Christo non placuit qui ad hoc infirmus esse uoluit ut placeret?.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.15 (CSEL 8:10; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.16CSEL 8:10
non imprudenter quidam hoc loco dixit, quod, si repugnante corporis fortitudine quae optamus facere non possumus, infirmandum nobis carne sit, ut optata faciamus. infirmitas enim, inquit, carnis uigorem mentis exacuit, et affectis artubus uires corporum in uirtutes transferuntur animarum. non turpibus flammis medullae aestuant, non male sanam mentem latentia incentiua succendunt, non uagi sensus per uaria oblectamenta lasciuiunt, sed sola exultat anima, laeta corpore adfecto quasi aduersario subiugato. haec ergo, ut dixi, religiosis uiris causa infirmitatis est: eamque esse nec tu, ut arbitror, iam negas.
Someone has said at this point, not unwisely, that if we cannot do what we wish because the strength of the body resists, we must weaken the flesh so that we may do what we wish. “For weakness of the flesh,” he says, “sharpens the vigor of the mind, and when the limbs are afflicted the strength of bodies is transferred into the virtues of souls. The marrow does not burn with base flames, hidden incitements do not inflame an unsound mind, the senses do not wander wantonly through various delights, but the soul alone exults, glad at the afflicted body as at a conquered adversary.” This, then, as I said, is the cause of weakness in religious men; and not even you, I think, now deny that it is.
Notes and citation
Summary: Weakening the flesh frees the soul from temptation.
- The source of the quoted saying is unidentified.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (line number leaked into the text; page/line number and hyphen leaked into the text): possumus,. infir-15 mandum → possumus, infirmandum; iam negas. 35 → iam negas..
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.16 (CSEL 8:10; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.17CSEL 8:10–11
Sed sunt fortasse, inquis, alia maiora, id est, quod multa in uita ista aspera atque acerba patiuntur, quod capiuntur, quod torquentur, quod trucidantur. uerum est: sed quid facimus, quod et prophetae in captiuitatem abducti sunt et apostoli etiam tormenta tolerarunt? et certe dubitare non possumus, quod tunc deo maxime curae erant cum pro deo ista paterentur. at forsitan hoc ipso magis probare te dicis, quod deus in saeculo isto omnia neglegat et futuro totum iudicio reseruet, quia semper et boni omnia mala passi sunt et fecerunt mali. non infidelis quidem uidetur adsertio, maxime quia futurum dei iudicium confitetur.
“But perhaps,” you say, “there are other greater things, namely, that they suffer many harsh and bitter things in this life: that they are taken captive, tortured, slaughtered.” That is true: but what are we to do about the fact that the prophets too were led into captivity and the apostles also endured tortures? And certainly we cannot doubt that they were then most in God’s care when they suffered these things for God. But perhaps you say you prove by this very thing all the more that God neglects everything in this age and reserves everything for the future judgment, since the good have always suffered all evils and the wicked done them. The assertion does not seem unbelieving, especially since it confesses the future judgment of God.
Notes and citation
Summary: The opponent argues that God reserves all justice for the last judgment.
- The chapter numeral “IIII” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text): IIII. Sed sunt fortasse → Sed sunt fortasse.
Topics: Persecution, Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.17 (CSEL 8:10–11; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.18CSEL 8:11
sed nos ita iudicandum humanum genus a Christo dicimus, ut tamen etiam nunc omnia deum, prout rationabile putat, regere ac dispensare credamus, et ita in futuro iudicaturum adfirmamus, ut tamen semper etiam in hoc saeculo iudicasse doceamus. dum enim semper gubernat deus, semper et iudicat, quia gubernatio ipsa iudicium est. quot modis hoc uis probemus?
But we say that the human race will be judged by Christ in such a way that we still believe that God even now rules and disposes all things as he thinks reasonable; and we affirm that he will judge in the future in such a way that we also teach that he has always judged in this age too. For as God always governs, he always also judges, because governance itself is judgment. In how many ways do you want us to prove this?
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Summary: God judges now as well as at the end, because governance is itself judgment.
Topics: Eschatology
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.18 (CSEL 8:11; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.19CSEL 8:11
ratione an exemplis an testimoniis? si ratione, quia tam expers humanae intellegentiae est et huius ipsius de qua loquimur ueritatis alienus, qui non agnoscat ac uideat pulcherrimum mundi opus et inaestimabilem supernarum infernarumque rerum magnificentiam ab eodem regi a quo creata sit, quemque elementorum fabricatorem eundem etiam gubernatorem fore; qui cuncta scilicet qua potestate ac maiestate condiderit, eadem etiam prouidentia ac ratione moderetur, praesertim cum etiam in his quae humano actu administrantur nihil penitus sine ratione consistat, omniaque ita a prouidentia incolumitatem quasi corpus ab anima uitam trahant; ideoque in hoc mundo non solum imperia et prouincias neque rem ciuilem ac militarem, sed etiam minora officia et priuatas domos, pecudes denique ipsas et minutissima quaeque domesticarum animantium genera non nisi humana ordinatione atque consilio quasi quadam manu et gubernaculo contineri. et haec omnia sine dubio uoluntate ac iudicio summi dei:
By reason, or by examples, or by testimonies? If by reason: who is so devoid of human understanding and so estranged from this very truth of which we speak as not to recognize and see that the most beautiful work of the world and the incalculable magnificence of things above and below is ruled by the same one by whom it was created, and that the maker of the elements will also be their governor; who, that is, governs by the same providence and reason all that he founded by power and majesty? Especially since even in those things administered by human agency nothing at all stands without reason, and all things draw their safety from providence as the body draws its life from the soul; and so in this world not only empires and provinces and civil and military affairs, but also lesser offices and private houses, and finally the cattle themselves and every smallest kind of domestic animal, are held together only by human ordering and counsel, as if by a hand and a helm. And all this without doubt by the will and judgment of the supreme God:
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Summary: Reason shows that the Creator also governs, as even human affairs depend on governance.
- The sentence continues in 1.20.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.19 (CSEL 8:11; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.20CSEL 8:11–12
scilicet ut eo exemplo omne humanum genus particulas rerum et membra regeret, quo ipse summam totius mundani corporis gubernaret. sed in principio, inquis, creaturarum haec sunt a deo statuta atque disposita: ceterum patrata uniuersitate rerum atque perfecta remouit a se cunctam terrestrium rerum curam et ablegauit: laborem uidelicet forte fugiens a suo loco amandauit et molestiam fatigationis euitans aut occupatus negotiis aliis partem rerum reliquit, quia totum obire non possit.
so that, after that example, the whole human race might rule the small parts and members of things as he himself governs the whole of the body of the world. “But at the beginning of creation,” you say, “these things were established and arranged by God; but once the universe was completed and perfected, he removed from himself and sent away all care of earthly things.” No doubt he sent it away from his place, perhaps fleeing labor; and avoiding the trouble of weariness, or busy with other affairs, he left part of things because he could not attend to the whole.
Notes and citation
Summary: Objection: God made the world and then abandoned its care.
- Ironic.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.20 (CSEL 8:11–12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.21CSEL 8:12
Remouet igitur a se, inquis, curam mortalium deus. et quae ergo nobis diuinae religionis est ratio? quae uel causa Christum colendi uel spes propitiandi? si enim neglegit deus in hoc saeculo genus hominum, cur ad caelum cotidie manus tendimus? cur orationibus crebris misericordiam dei quaerimus? cur ad ecclesiasticas domus currimus? cur ante altaria supplicamus? nulla est enim nobis ratio precandi, si spes tollitur impetrandi. uides ergo quam stulta atque inanis sit huius persuasionis adsertio: quae utique si recipitur, nihil penitus de religione seruatur.
“God, then,” you say, “removes from himself the care of mortals.” What then is the reason for our divine religion? What cause have we for worshipping Christ, or hope of appeasing him? For if God neglects the human race in this age, why do we stretch our hands to heaven daily? Why do we seek God’s mercy with frequent prayers? Why do we run to the houses of the church? Why do we make supplication before the altars? For we have no reason to pray if the hope of obtaining is taken away. You see, then, how foolish and empty the assertion of this belief is: if it is accepted, nothing at all of religion is preserved.
Notes and citation
Summary: If God neglected the world, prayer and worship would be pointless.
- The chapter numeral “V” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text): V. Remouet igitur → Remouet igitur.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.21 (CSEL 8:12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.22CSEL 8:12
sed ad illud forte confugias, ut dicas nos metu futuri iudicii deum colere et id omni praesentium officiorum cultu elaborare, ut in die futuri iudicii mereamur absolui. quid ergo sibi uult apostolus Paulus praecipiens cotidie in ecclesia ac iubens ut offeramus iugiter deo nostro orationes obsecrationes postulationes gratiarum actiones? et haec omnia quam ob causam? quam utique nisi, ut ipse dicit, ut quietam et tranquillam uitam agamus in omni castitate? pro praesentibus, ut uidemus, domino supplicari iubet et orari, quod utique non iuberet nisi exorari posse confideret.
But perhaps you take refuge in saying that we worship God from fear of the future judgment, and strive in all the worship of present duties to deserve acquittal on the day of the future judgment. What then does the apostle Paul mean when he instructs and commands that daily in the church we continually offer our God prayers, supplications, requests, thanksgivings? And for what reason all these? For what indeed, unless, as he himself says, that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life in all chastity? He commands, as we see, that the Lord be entreated and prayed to for present things, which he certainly would not command unless he were confident that he could be moved by prayer.
1 Tim 2:1 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 2:2 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Paul commands prayer for present peace, showing God hears for this life.
- 1 Tim 2:1–2.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark): apos.tolus Paulus → apostolus Paulus.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.22 (CSEL 8:12; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.23CSEL 8:12–13
quomodo ergo aliquis pro obtinendis futuri temporis bonis apertas dei aures, pro praesentibus autem clausas atque obstructas putat? aut quomodo nos in ecclesia supplicantes praesentem nobis salutem a deo poscimus, si audiendos nos penitus non putamus? nulla ergo nobis pro incolumitatibus ac prosperitatibus nostris uota facienda sunt. quin potius, ut modestia supplicationis uocem conciliet postulantis, dicendum fortasse nobis est: domine, non prosperitatem uitae istius petimus nec pro bonis praesentibus supplicamus: scimus enim aures tuas his obsecrationibus clausas esse et auditum te ad preces istiusmodi non habere, sed pro his tantummodo petimus, quae sunt futura post mortem.
How, then, does anyone think that God’s ears are open for obtaining the goods of the future time, but closed and blocked for present ones? Or how do we in church, making supplication, ask God for present safety, if we think we will not be heard at all? Then no prayers should be made by us for our safety and prosperity. Rather, so that the modesty of the supplication may win favor for the petitioner’s voice, perhaps we should say: “Lord, we do not ask the prosperity of this life nor pray for present goods; for we know that your ears are closed to these petitions and that you have no hearing for prayers of this kind; but we ask only for the things that are to come after death.”
Notes and citation
Summary: On the opponents’ view, Christians would have to pray only for things after death.
- Ironic.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.23 (CSEL 8:12–13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.24CSEL 8:13
esto igitur postulatio talis utilitate non careat: quomodo ratione subsistit? si enim deus a respectu huius saeculi curam remouet et postulantium precibus aures suas claudit, absque dubio, qui non audit nos pro praesentibus, non audit etiam pro futuris, nisi forte credimus pro precum diuersitate aures suas Christum uel tribuere uel negare, id est, ut claudat eas cum rogatur praesentia, aperiat cum futura.
Granted that such a petition is not without usefulness, how does it stand by reason? For if God removes his care from regard of this age and closes his ears to the prayers of petitioners, without doubt he who does not hear us for present things does not hear us for future ones either; unless perhaps we believe that Christ grants or denies his ears according to the difference of prayers, that is, that he closes them when asked for present things and opens them when asked for future ones.
Notes and citation
Summary: A God who would not hear prayers about this life would not hear prayers about the next.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.24 (CSEL 8:13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.25CSEL 8:13
sed de his dicendum amplius non est; tam stulta enim sunt et tam friuula, ut cauendum sit, ne id ipsum, quod pro honore dei dicitur, iniuria dei esse uideatur. tanta quippe est maiestatis sacrae et tam tremenda reuerentia, ut non solum ea, quae ab illis contra religionem dicuntur, horrere, sed etiam ea, quae pro religione nos ipsi dicimus, cum grandi metu ac disciplina dicere debeamus.
But no more need be said of these things; for they are so foolish and so frivolous that one must take care lest the very thing said for God’s honor seem to be an injury to God. For so great is the sacred majesty and so dreadful the reverence due it that we must not only shudder at what is said by them against religion, but must also say with great fear and discipline what we ourselves say for religion.
Notes and citation
Summary: Such foolish arguments should not be dwelt on, out of reverence for God.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.25 (CSEL 8:13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.26CSEL 8:13
igitur si stulte atque impie creditur, quod curam rerum humanarum pietas diuina despiciat, ergo non despicit: si autem non despicit, regit: si autem regit, hoc ipso quod regit iudicat, quia regimen esse non potest, nisi fuerit iugiter in rectore iudicium.
If, then, it is foolish and impious to believe that the divine kindness despises the care of human affairs, then it does not despise it; if it does not despise it, it rules; and if it rules, by the very fact that it rules it judges, because there can be no rule unless there is continual judgment in the ruler.
Notes and citation
Summary: God does not despise human affairs; therefore he rules and judges.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (line number leaked into the text): ergo non 25 despicit → ergo non despicit.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.26 (CSEL 8:13; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.27CSEL 8:13–14
Sed parum esse fortasse quispiam putet, quod hoc ratio declarat, nisi probetur exemplis. uideamus qualiter mundum a principio deus rexerit, et ita eum semper omnia gubernasse monstrabimus, ut simul etiam iudicasse doceamus. quid enim scriptura dicit? formauit igitur deus hominem de limo terrae et inspirauit in eum spiraculum uitae. et quid postea? posuit, inquit, eum in paradiso uoluptatis. quid deinceps? dedit scilicet legem, praeceptis imbuit, institutione formauit. quid autem post haec secutum est? praeteriit homo mandatum sacrum, sententiam subiit, paradisum perdidit, poenam damnationis excepit.
But perhaps someone may think it too little that reason declares this unless it is proved by examples. Let us see how God has ruled the world from the beginning, and so we shall show that he has always governed all things in such a way as to teach at the same time that he has also judged. For what does Scripture say? “God formed man from the clay of the earth and breathed into him the breath of life.” And what next? “He placed him,” it says, “in the paradise of delight.” What then? He gave him a law, instructed him with precepts, formed him by teaching. And what followed after this? Man transgressed the sacred command, underwent the sentence, lost paradise, received the penalty of condemnation.
Gen 2:7 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 2:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 3:23 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Examples begin with Adam: created, placed in paradise, given a law, and judged.
- Gen 2:7–8, 15–17; 3. The chapter numeral “VI” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text; line number leaked into the text): VI. Sed parum esse → Sed parum esse; qualiter mundum 30 a principio → qualiter mundum a principio.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.27 (CSEL 8:13–14; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.28CSEL 8:14
quis non in his omnibus et gubernatorem deum uideat et iudicem? constituit enim Adam in paradiso innocentem, expulit reum. in constitutione ordinatio est, in expulsione iudicium. quando enim eum in loco uoluptatis posuit, ordinauit, quando autem reum de regno expulit, iudicauit. ergo hoc de primo homine, id est de patre. quid de secundo, id est de filio? factum est, inquit scriptura sacra, post multos dies, ut offerret Cain de fructibus terrae munera domino. Abelis quoque obtulit de primitiis gregis sui et de adipibus eius. et respexit dominus ad Abel et ad munera eius, ad Cain uero et ad munera illius non respexit.
Who does not see in all these things God both as governor and as judge? For he established Adam innocent in paradise and expelled him guilty. In the establishing is ordering; in the expulsion, judgment. When he placed him in the place of delight, he ordered; when he expelled him guilty from the kingdom, he judged. So much of the first man, that is, the father. What of the second, that is, the son? “It came to pass,” says sacred Scripture, “after many days, that Cain offered gifts to the Lord from the fruits of the earth. Abel also offered from the firstlings of his flock and from their fat. And the Lord looked upon Abel and upon his gifts, but upon Cain and upon his gifts he did not look.”
Gen 4:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 4:4 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 4:5 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God both ordered and judged Adam, and then judged between Cain and Abel’s offerings.
- Gen 4:3–5.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark): in constitutione or.dinatio → in constitutione ordinatio.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.28 (CSEL 8:14; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.29CSEL 8:14–15
priusquam de euidentiore iudicio dei dicam, puto quod etiam in his quae iam diximus quaedam censura iudicii est; in hoc enim, quod unius sacrificium deus suscipit alterius excludit, euidentissime utique et de unius iustitia et de iniquitate alterius iudicauit. sed hoc parum est. Cain igitur futuro facinori uiam sternens fratrem in solitudinem trahit, secretis patrocinantibus scelus peragit, impiissimus pariter et stultissimus, qui ad perpetrandum maximum nefas sufficere sibi credidit, si aspectus uitaret hominum fratricidium deo teste facturus. unde puto, quod haec in illo iam tunc opinio fuerit quae nunc in multis est, deum scilicet terrestria non respicere et actus sceleratorum hominum non uidere. nec dubium est, cum post facinus admissum dei sermone conuentus nihil se de caede fratris scire responderit. adeo inscium facti sui deum arbitrabatur, ut crederet feralissimum nefas tegi posse mendacio. at aliter expertus est quam putabat. nam deum, a quo non existimauit uideri scelera cum occideret, sensit uidere cum damnaretur.
Before I speak of God’s more evident judgment, I think that even in what we have already said there is a certain censure of judgment; for in this, that God accepts the sacrifice of one and excludes that of the other, he most plainly judged both the righteousness of the one and the iniquity of the other. But this is little. Cain, then, paving the way for his coming crime, draws his brother into a solitary place and accomplishes the crime under the patronage of secrecy, as impious as he was foolish, who believed it enough for committing the greatest outrage if he avoided the sight of men, though he was about to commit fratricide with God as witness. Hence I think that already then there was in him the opinion that is now in many: that God does not look upon earthly things and does not see the acts of wicked men. Nor is it doubtful, since, when confronted by the word of God after the crime was committed, he answered that he knew nothing of his brother’s murder. So far did he think God unaware of his deed that he believed the most savage outrage could be covered by a lie. But he found it otherwise than he thought. For he felt that God, by whom he did not think crimes were seen when he killed, saw them when he was condemned.
Gen 4:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 4:9 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 4:11 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Cain thought God did not see his crime, but was judged.
- Gen 4:8–12.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): necso dubium est → nec dubium est.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.29 (CSEL 8:14–15; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.30CSEL 8:15
hic nunc requirere ab illis uolo, qui negant res nunc humanas uel respici a deo uel regi uel iudicari, an cuncta in his quae diximus e diuerso sint. puto enim, quod praesens est qui sacrificio interest, et regit qui Cain post sacrificia castigat, et sollicitus est qui ab interfectore interfectum requirit, et iudicat qui percussorem impium iusta animaduersione condemnat. in quo quidem etiam illud non incommode, uerum ne miremur nunc sanctos homines quaedam aspera pati, cum uideamus, quod iam tunc deus etiam per maximum nefas primum sanctorum sinit occidi. quae quidem qua ratione patiatur, neque humanae imbecillitatis est plena indage cognoscere neque nunc temporis disputare. interim probare satis est, omnia istiusmodi non neglegentia aut incuria dei fieri, sed consilio ac dispensatione permitti. nequaquam autem iniustum possumus dicere, in quo diuinum esse iudicium non possimus denegare, quia summa iustitia est uoluntas dei; neque enim ideo non iustum est, quod diuinitas agit, quia capere uim diuinae iustitiae homo non ualet. sed ad propositum reuertamur.
Here now I want to ask of those who deny that human affairs are now regarded, ruled, or judged by God whether everything in what we have said is the opposite. For I think that he is present who attends the sacrifice; that he rules who chastises Cain after the sacrifices; that he is concerned who demands the slain from the slayer; and that he judges who condemns the impious murderer with just punishment. In this, indeed, there is also this, not unfittingly: that we should not wonder now that holy men suffer harsh things, when we see that already then God allowed the first of the saints to be killed even by the greatest outrage. For what reason he permits such things, it is neither for human weakness to know by full inquiry nor for this time to discuss. Meanwhile it is enough to prove that all things of this kind happen not by God’s neglect or unconcern but are permitted by his counsel and dispensation. In no way can we call unjust that in which we cannot deny there is divine judgment, because the will of God is the highest justice; nor is what the Godhead does any the less just because man cannot grasp the force of divine justice. But let us return to our subject.
Gen 4:10 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God’s presence, rule, and judgment are visible in the story of Cain; Abel’s death shows that the holy may suffer by God’s permission.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.30 (CSEL 8:15; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.31CSEL 8:15–16
Videmus ergo in his quae dicta sunt nihil incuria dei actum, sed quia quaedam ex his dispositio diuina ita ordinauit, quaedam patientia sustinuit, quaedam sententia uindicauit. sed non satis quidam forte existimant, haec quae dicimus nos probasse per paucos: uideamus an id ipsum manifestare possimus etiam per uniuersos. aucta igitur ac multiplicata humani generis multitudine simul et iniquitate, uidens deus, inquit scriptura sacra, quod multa malitia hominum esset in terra et cuncta cogitatio cordis intenta esset ad malum omni tempore, paenituit eum quod hominem fecisset in terra, et tactus dolore cordis intrinsecus, delebo, inquit, hominem quem creaui, a facie terrae.
We see, then, in what has been said that nothing was done through God’s unconcern, but that some of these things the divine disposition so ordered, some his patience bore, some his sentence punished. But perhaps some think we have not sufficiently proved what we say through a few: let us see whether we can show the same through all. When, then, the multitude of the human race had increased and multiplied, together with its iniquity, “God, seeing,” says sacred Scripture, “that the wickedness of men was great on the earth, and that every thought of the heart was bent on evil at all times, repented that he had made man on the earth, and touched inwardly with grief of heart, said: I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the earth.”
Gen 6:5 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 6:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 6:7 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God saw mankind’s wickedness and resolved to destroy it in the flood.
- Gen 6:5–7. The chapter numeral “VII” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text): VII. Videmus ergo → Videmus ergo.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.31 (CSEL 8:15–16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.32CSEL 8:16
consideremus quemadmodum in his omnibus et sollicitudo domini pariter et seueritas indicetur. primum enim ait uidens autem deus, secundo tactus dolore cordis intrinsecus, tertio delebo, inquit, hominem quem creaui. in hoc siquidem, quod uidere omnia deus dicitur, cura eius ostenditur, in hoc, quod dolet, terror irati, in hoc, quod punit, seueritas iudicantis. paenituit ergo deum, inquit scriptura sacra, quod hominem fecisset in terra, non quod deus huic sit obnoxius motui aut ulli subiaceat passioni, sed sermo diuinus ad insinuandam plenius nobis ueram scripturarum intellegentiam, quasi humano nobiscum affectu loquens, sub nomine paenitentis dei uim demonstrauit irati; ira est autem diuinitatis poena peccantis.
Let us consider how in all these things the Lord’s concern and severity alike are shown. First it says, “God, seeing”; second, “touched inwardly with grief of heart”; third, “I will blot out man whom I have created.” In this, that God is said to see all things, his care is shown; in this, that he grieves, the terror of one angered; in this, that he punishes, the severity of a judge. “God repented,” then, says sacred Scripture, “that he had made man on the earth,” not that God is subject to this emotion or liable to any passion; but the divine word, to convey to us more fully the true understanding of the Scriptures, speaking with us as if with human feeling, showed under the name of a repenting God the force of an angry one; and the anger of the Godhead is the punishment of the sinner.
Gen 6:6 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God’s “repenting” expresses his anger in human terms; God is not subject to passion.
- Gen 6:5–7.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.32 (CSEL 8:16; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of the staged edition (corrections logged). No public-domain English translation is available to us and no FOTC volume covers Salvian, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
1.33CSEL 8:16–17
quid ergo post haec secutum est? cum, inquit, uidisset deus terram esse corruptam, dixit ad Noe: finis uniuersae carnis uenit coram me, repleta est terra iniquitate a facie eorum et ego disperdam eos cum terra. et quid postea? rupti sunt, inquit, omnes fontes abyssi magnae et cataractae caeli apertae sunt factaque est pluuia super terram quadraginta diebus et quadraginta noctibus. et paulo post: consumpta est omnis caro, quae mouebatur super terram. et deinceps: remansit autem solus Noe et qui cum eo erant in arca. hic nunc requirere ab illis uolo, qui incuriosum rerum humanarum appellant deum, an illo tempore uel curasse eum terrestria credant uel iudicasse? puto enim non iudicauit tantum sed etiam dupliciter iudicauit; nam et dum seruat bonos pium se retributorem, et dum condemnat malos seuerum iudicem comprobauit.
What, then, followed after this? “When God had seen,” it says, “that the earth was corrupt, he said to Noah: The end of all flesh has come before me; the earth is filled with iniquity from their presence, and I will destroy them with the earth.” And what then? “All the fountains of the great deep,” it says, “were broken up, and the floodgates of heaven were opened, and rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights.” And a little after: “All flesh that moved upon the earth was consumed.” And then: “Noah alone remained, and those who were with him in the ark.” Here now I want to ask those who call God unconcerned with human affairs whether they believe that at that time he either cared for earthly things or judged them. For I think he not only judged but judged doubly; for both in saving the good he showed himself a kind rewarder, and in condemning the wicked a severe judge.
Gen 6:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 6:13 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 7:11 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 7:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 7:21 (quotation, high confidence) · Gen 7:23 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The flood shows God judging twice: saving Noah and destroying the wicked.
- Gen 6:12–13; 7:11–12, 21, 23.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): erant in area → erant in arca.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.33 (CSEL 8:16–17; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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1.34CSEL 8:17
sed haec forsitan apud stultos, quia ante diluuium, id est, quasi alio quodam saeculo gesta sunt, minus auctoritatis habere uideantur: quasi uero aut tunc alius deus fuerit aut postea eandem mundi curam habere noluerit. possum quidem diuino munere per singulas post diluuium generationes probare quae dico, sed et enormitas uetat et tamen certa quaedam ac maiora sufficiunt, quia, cum idem sit absque dubio maiorum pariter ac minorum deus, id profecto intellegendum est in minoribus, quod in maioribus comprobatur.
But perhaps among the foolish these things may seem to have less authority because they were done before the flood, that is, as if in some other age: as though either there was another God then, or afterwards he did not wish to have the same care of the world. By God’s gift I could prove what I say through each generation after the flood, but the excessive length forbids it; and yet certain greater instances are enough, because, since without doubt the same God is God of greater and lesser things alike, what is proved in the greater must surely be understood in the lesser.
Notes and citation
Summary: The same God governs after the flood; a few major examples suffice.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.34 (CSEL 8:17; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of the staged edition (corrections logged). No public-domain English translation is available to us and no FOTC volume covers Salvian, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
1.35CSEL 8:17–18
Igitur cum post diluuium generationi hominum benedixisset deus, immensam hominum multitudinem benedictio ipsa generasset, loquitur ad Abraham dominus e caelo, iubet ut deserat terram suam, inquirat alienam. uocatur sequitur adducitur conlocatur, fit de paupere locuples de ignoto potens, infimus peregrinatione excellentissimus dignitate. sed ne haec tamen, quae ei data a deo fuerant, muneris tantum uiderentur fuisse non meriti, qui laetabatur prosperis probatur aduersis. sequitur quippe labor periculum timor: uexatur commigratione fatigatur exilio, contumelia adficitur uxore priuatur immolari sibi deus filium iussit, pater obtulit et quantum ad definitionem cordis pertinet immolauit. rursum exilia rursum metus, Philistinorum inuidia Abimelech rapina, multa quidem mala sed tamen paria solacia: nam etsi a plurimis adficitur, tamen de omnibus uindicatur.
So when, after the flood, God had blessed the generation of men, and the blessing itself had produced an immense multitude of men, the Lord speaks from heaven to Abraham, commands him to leave his own land and seek a foreign one. He is called, he follows, he is led, he is settled; from poor he becomes rich, from unknown powerful, lowest as a stranger, most excellent in dignity. But lest the things given him by God seem to have been only of gift and not of merit, he who rejoiced in prosperity is tested by adversity. Labor, danger, and fear follow: he is troubled by migration, wearied by exile, treated with insult, deprived of his wife. God commanded his son to be sacrificed to him; the father offered him and, as far as the resolve of his heart went, sacrificed him. Again exiles, again fears, the envy of the Philistines, the plundering of Abimelech: many evils indeed, but equal consolations; for though he is wronged by very many, he is avenged on all.
Gen 12:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 12:15 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 22:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 21:25 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God called, blessed, tested, and vindicated Abraham.
- Gen 9:1; 12:1–5; 12:10–20; 20; 21:22–34; 22; 26 (Abimelech). The chapter numeral “VIII” is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (chapter numeral leaked into the text): VIII. Igitur cum post → Igitur cum post.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.35 (CSEL 8:17–18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of the staged edition (corrections logged). No public-domain English translation is available to us and no FOTC volume covers Salvian, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
1.36CSEL 8:18
quid igitur? in cunctis istis, quae memorauimus, num deus non est et inspector et inuitator et ductor et sollicitus et sponsor et protector et munerator et probator et sublimator et ultor et iudex? inspector quippe est, dum ex omnibus unum eligit, quem meliorem uidit; inuitator, dum uocat; ductor, dum ad ignota perducit; sollicitus, dum ad ilicem uisitat; sponsor, dum futura promittit; protector, quia inter gentes barbaras texit; munerator, quia locupletauit; probator, quia temptare asperis uoluit; sublimator, quia potentiorem omnibus fecit; ultor, quia eum de aduersariis ultus est; iudex, quia dum ulciscitur, iudicauit.
What then? In all these things we have recalled, is not God observer, inviter, guide, concerned guardian, guarantor, protector, rewarder, tester, exalter, avenger, and judge? Observer, indeed, when out of all he chooses the one he saw to be better; inviter, when he calls; guide, when he leads him to unknown places; concerned, when he visits him at the oak; guarantor, when he promises things to come; protector, because he shielded him among barbarian nations; rewarder, because he enriched him; tester, because he chose to try him with hardships; exalter, because he made him more powerful than all; avenger, because he avenged him on his adversaries; judge, because in avenging he judged.
Gen 18:1 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Every part of Abraham’s story shows God’s active governance.
- The oak of Mamre, Gen 18:1.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip): sublimator et ultot et iudex → sublimator et ultor et iudex; sollicitus, dant ad ilicem → sollicitus, dum ad ilicem.
Cite (SBL): Salvian, Gub. 1.36 (CSEL 8:18; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/salvian-gubernatione/1-36). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of the staged edition (corrections logged). No public-domain English translation is available to us and no FOTC volume covers Salvian, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.