Sermons to the People 12.1–12.12
Latin text: PL 38 (Latin text: Migne, PL 38, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: NPNF 1/6: Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament (R. G. MacMullen, ed., 1888).
Chapter 12
12.1PL 38:99–101
In divinis et sacris veteribus Libris fraudulentissima fallacia Manichæos insidiari, jam vestræ prudentiæ, dilectissimi fratres, satis probatum esse confidimus. Offerimus tamen adhuc eorum dolos inspiciendos obtutibus cordis vestri: ut non solum eos, quantum ad vos pertinet, evitetis, sed etiam ut alios infirmos et divinarum lectionum rudes, ut quisque vestrum potest, evitare atque contemnere doceatis. Apud Job scriptum est, inquiunt, Ecce venerunt Angeli in conspectum Dei, et diabolus in medio eorum. Et Deus ait diabolo: Unde venis? Qui respondens dixit: Circuiens totum orbem adveni huc. Hic, inquiunt, demonstratur diabolum non solum vidisse Deum, sed etiam locutum esse cum eo. In Evangelio autem dicit, Beati qui puro sunt corde, quoniam ipsi Deum videbunt; et iterum dicit, Ego sum janua; nemo potest venire ad Patrem, nisi per me. Deinde adjungunt ratiocinationem, dicentes: Si igitur hi soli qui sunt puro corde vident Deum, quonam modo sordidissimo et immundissimo corde diabolus potuit videre Deum? aut qualiter per januam, hoc est, per Christum ingreditur? Iterum Apostolus, inquiunt, testatur et confirmat, dicens quod neque Principes, neque Potestates, neque Virtutes Deum cognoverunt. Calumnia quidem illorum his omnino verbis hucusque proponitur, et revera quæstio est prudenti discutienda christiano. Sed eam calumniam proponentium animus facit, ut similiter imperitos ad sibi credendum a saluberrima Scripturarum auctoritate detorqueant. Sed primo ab istis vellem quærere, ubi Adimantus apud Apostolum legerit; nam talium calumniarum iste conscriptor est: vellem ergo diceret ubi legerit testantem Apostolum et confirmantem, ut dicit, quod neque Principes, neque Potestates, neque Virtutes Deum cognoverunt; cum Dominus etiam hominum in se credentium dicat Angelos quotidie videre faciem Patris. Nisi forte illud quod Paulus apostolus ait: Sapientiam loquimur inter perfectos, sapientiam autem non hujus sæculi, neque principum hujus saeculi, qui evacuantur: sed loquimur Dei sapientiam in mysterio, quæ abscondita est, quam præfinivit Deus ante saecula in gloriam nostram, quam nemo principum hujus sæculi cognovit. Si enim cognovissent, nunquam Dominum gloriæ crucifixissent ( I Cor. II, 6 - 8)? Si istum locum iste conscribere cogitabat, cur addidit Potestates et Virtutes, quod non ibi dictum est; et detraxit hujus sæculi, quod dictum est? Sed utinam hoc, errore potius, quam malitia fecerit. Verumtamen etiamsi hoc modo dixisset Apostolus, numquid propterea diabolus vocem Dei audire non potuit? Scriptum est enim quod in conspectum Dei venerit: non scriptum est quod Deum ipse conspexerit. Principes enim hujus sæculi aut superbi homines intelliguntur, et vana pompa jactationis elati; aut ipse diabolus et angeli ejus. Nam principem vel magistratum hujus sæculi eum Dominus apertissime appellat: quia sæculi hujus nomine peccatores intelliguntur, quorum spes nulla est, nisi in hoc sæculo. Sicut enim dicitur mala domus, cum significantur habitatores ejus: sic malum hoc saeculum dicimus, cum eos significamus qui corde hoc sæculum inhabitant, hoc est, quorum conversatio non est in caelis. Nostra enim, dicit Apostolus, conversatio in cœlis est. Diabolo autem serviunt cuncta peccata, qui libero arbitrio princeps voluit esse peccati; propterea princeps hujus sæculi dicitur. Quam regulam intelligentiæ moneo cordibus vestris infigatis: adjuvabit per hanc Dominus ad multa Scripturarum discutienda atque solvenda, de quibus illi laqueos nectunt erroris sui.
We are confident, dearly beloved brothers, that it has already been sufficiently proved to your good sense that the Manichees lie in wait against the divine and sacred ancient books with most fraudulent deceit. Yet we offer still more of their tricks for the eyes of your heart to inspect: so that not only may you avoid them as far as you are concerned, but you may also teach others, who are weak and unskilled in the divine readings, to avoid and despise them, as each of you can. "In Job," they say, "it is written: Behold, the angels came into the sight of God, and the devil in their midst. And God said to the devil: Where do you come from? He answered and said: I have come here going around the whole world. Here," they say, "it is shown that the devil not only saw God but even spoke with him. But in the Gospel he says, Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God; and again he says, I am the door; no one can come to the Father except through me." Then they add a piece of reasoning, saying: "If, then, only those who are pure in heart see God, how could the devil, with a most filthy and unclean heart, see God? Or how does he enter through the door, that is, through Christ? Again," they say, "the Apostle testifies and confirms, saying that neither Principalities, nor Powers, nor Virtues have known God." Their slander is set out in exactly these words up to this point, and it is indeed a question to be discussed by a prudent Christian. But it is the intention of those who put forward the slander that makes it slander, in that they likewise twist the unlearned away from the most wholesome authority of the Scriptures to believe them. But first I should like to ask these people where Adimantus read this in the Apostle; for he is the writer of such slanders: I should like him, then, to say where he read the Apostle testifying and confirming, as he says, that neither Principalities, nor Powers, nor Virtues have known God; since the Lord says that even the angels of people who believe in him see the face of the Father daily. Unless perhaps it is what the apostle Paul says: "We speak wisdom among the perfect, yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, who are brought to nothing; but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which is hidden, which God foreordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the princes of this world knew. For if they had known it, they would never have crucified the Lord of glory"? If this is the passage he meant to write down, why did he add "Powers and Virtues," which is not said there, and take away "of this world," which is said? But would that he did this by error rather than malice. Yet even if the Apostle had spoken in that way, does it follow that the devil could not hear God's voice? For it is written that he came into the sight of God; it is not written that he himself saw God. For by "the princes of this world" are understood either proud men, puffed up with the empty pomp of boasting, or the devil himself and his angels. For the Lord most plainly calls him the prince or ruler of this world: because by the name of "this world" sinners are understood, whose only hope is in this world. For just as a house is called bad when its inhabitants are meant, so we call this world bad when we mean those who inhabit this world with their hearts, that is, whose way of life is not in heaven. "For our way of life," says the Apostle, "is in heaven." But all sins serve the devil, who by free choice wanted to be the prince of sin; that is why he is called the prince of this world. I urge you to fix this rule of understanding in your hearts: by it the Lord will help you to discuss and solve many things in the Scriptures out of which they weave the snares of their error.
Job 1:6–7 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:9 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 2:6–8 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 18:10 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:31 (allusion, high confidence) · Phil 3:20 (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Against the Manichee Adimantus, who argued from Job that the impure devil saw God, Augustine shows that Paul never said what Adimantus claims, and that "the princes of this world" are the proud or the devil, prince of sinners.
- Paragraph 2 is merged into this section in the digital text; Migne's chapter number, paragraph number and marginal headings ("CAPUT II. — 2. Calumniosa objectio Adimanti ex Apostolo. Principes hujus sæculi. Sæculum, peccatores. Diabolus princeps peccati.") are removed. Adimantus, a disciple of Mani, wrote against the Old Testament; Augustine answered him in Against Adimantus. Quotations: Job 1:6-7; Matt 5:8; John 10:9 with John 14:6; 1 Cor 2:6-8; Matt 18:10; John 12:31; Phil 3:20.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's chapter number, paragraph number and marginal headings left in the text; removed; OCR slip in the digital text): In divinis ct saoclis veteribus Libris fraudu. lentissima → In divinis et sacris veteribus Libris fraudulentissima; vestre prudentiæ → vestræ prudentiæ; corum dolos → eorum dolos; sed cliam ut → sed etiam ut; doccatis → doceatis; in medio corum → in medio eorum; cHam locutum → etiam locutum; Beat: qui → Beati qui; vidcre Deum? ant qualiter → videre Deum? aut qualiter; cognoverunt. CAPUT n. — 2. Calumniosa objectio Adimanti ex Apostolo. Principes hujus sæculi. Sæculum. peccatores. Diabolus princeps peccati. Calumnia → cognoverunt. Calumnia; Virtutes Dcum → Virtutes Deum; credcntium → credentium; quAm nemo principum hu jus → quam nemo principum hujus; Potestates et \ irtutes → Potestates et Virtutes; ulinain → utinam; venerit: lion scriptum → venerit: non scriptum; in boc sacculo → in hoc sæculo; Qnam regulam → Quam regulam.
Topics: Heresy, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.1 (PL 38:99–101; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.3PL 38:101
Cum ergo scriptum non sit quod diabolus viderit Deum, sed tantum quod venerit cum Angelis in conspectum Domini, vocemque ejus audierit; cur isti miseri de visione Dei calumniari Scripturis, et imperitos pervertere student? Quapropter hæc eorum propositio brevissima responsione superatur. Quantalibet enim loquacitate perquirant, quomodo viderit diabolus Deum; respondemus, Non vidit diabolus Deum. Dicent: Quomodo ergo cum eo locutus est? Hic vero non a nobis, sed a caecis hominibus convincenda est cæcitas cordis ipsorum. Hi enim qui carnalibus oculis cæci sunt, quotidie loqui possunt cum his quos videre non possunt. Quomodo ergo venit, inquiunt, in conspectum ejus? Quomodo cæcus in conspectum videntis, quem ipse non conspicit. Et istæ quidem similitudines, dilectissimi fratres, ideo dictæ sint, ut hominum carnalium refellatur improbitas; ut si fieri potest, hoc modo repulsi, ad discendi mansuetudinem impia corda convertant. Numquid enim Deus continetur loco, quem præsentem habet omnis angelica et humana conscientia, non solum bonorum, sed etiam malorum? Verum hoc interest, quod bonis conscientiis adest ut pater, malis ut judex: quomodo scriptum est, Dominus interrogat justum et impium. Item scriptum est, In cogitationibus impii interrogatio erit. Nec vehementius in auribus corporis Deus, quam in secreto cogitationis interrogat, ubi solus audit, solus auditur. Nonne etiam mali homines, si quando verum loquuntur et non eis creditur, jurant et dicunt, Testis est Deus, et verissime dicunt? Ubi, quæso, testis est? In lingua, an in corde? in sono vocis, an in silentio conscientiæ? Unde autem plerumque stomachantur, quia sibi non creditur, cum verum se dicere noverint, nisi quia cor suum nobis aperire non possunt, ubi testis est Deus?
Since, then, it is not written that the devil saw God, but only that he came with the angels into the sight of the Lord and heard his voice, why are these wretched people so eager to slander the Scriptures about the vision of God, and to pervert the unlearned? So this proposition of theirs is overcome by the briefest answer. However talkatively they inquire how the devil saw God, we answer: The devil did not see God. They will say: "How then did he speak with him?" Here the blindness of their heart is to be refuted not by us but by blind men. For those who are blind in their bodily eyes can daily speak with those they cannot see. "How then," they say, "did he come into his sight?" As a blind man comes into the sight of one who sees, whom he himself does not see. And these comparisons, dearly beloved brothers, are given so that the wickedness of carnal people may be refuted; so that, if possible, repulsed in this way, they may turn their impious hearts to the gentleness of learning. For is God contained in a place, he whom every angelic and human conscience has present, not only of the good but also of the wicked? But there is this difference, that he is present to good consciences as a father, to wicked ones as a judge: as it is written, "The Lord questions the righteous and the ungodly." Again it is written, "In the thoughts of the ungodly there will be questioning." Nor does God question more forcefully in the ears of the body than in the secret of thought, where he alone hears and alone is heard. Do not even wicked people, when they speak the truth and are not believed, swear and say, "God is my witness," and say it most truly? Where, I ask, is he witness? In the tongue, or in the heart? In the sound of the voice, or in the silence of the conscience? And why are they generally annoyed at not being believed, when they know they are telling the truth, except that they cannot open their heart to us, where God is witness?
Job 1:6 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 11:5 (10:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Scripture does not say the devil saw God, only that he came into God's sight and heard him, as a blind man can speak with one he cannot see; God is present to every conscience, to the good as father, to the wicked as judge.
- The opening words of the digital text, "Quomodo diabolus venerit in conspectum Dei," are Migne's marginal heading and are removed. Paragraph 2 is merged into 11.1 in the digital text. Job 1:6; Ps 11:5 (Latin Ps 10:6); Wis 1:9.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's marginal heading left at the start of the text; removed; OCR slip in the digital text): Quomodo diabolus venerit in conspectum Dei. Cum ergo → Cum ergo; nou a nobis → non a nobis; homiuibus → hominibus; hominam → hominum; consciculiis → conscientiis; Ilcm scriptum → Item scriptum; Deus 2, → Deus,; sonovocis → sono vocis; creclilnr, cum < verum → creditur, cum verum.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 1:9 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.3 (PL 38:101; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.4PL 38:101
Multi autem modi sunt, quibus nobiscum loquitur Deus. Loquitur aliquando per aliquod instrumentum, sicut per codicem divinarum Scripturarum: loquitur per aliquod elementum mundi, sicut per stellam Magis locutus est. Quid est enim locutio, nisi significatio voluntatis? Loquitur per sortem, sicut de Matthia in locum Judæ ordinando locutus est: loquitur per animam humanam, sicut per prophetam: loquitur per angelum, sicut Patriarcharum et Prophetarum et Apostolorum quibusdam locutum esse accipimus: loquitur per aliquam vocalem sonantemque creaturam, sicut de coelo voces factas, cum oculis nullus videretur, legimus et tenemus. Ipsi denique homini, non extrinsecus per aures ejus aut oculos, sed intus in animo non uno modo Deus loquitur: sed aut in somnis, sicut Laban Syro, ne Jacob servum ejus in aliquo læderet ( Gen. XXXI, 24), et Pharaoni de septem annis opulentis totidemque sterilibus demonstratum est (ld. XLI, 1-52); aut spiritu hominis assumpto, quam Græci ecstasim vocant, sicut oranti Petro vas plenum similitudinibus crediturarum Gentium visum est submissum esse de coelo; aut in ipsa mente, cum quisque majestatem vel voluntatem intelligit, sicut ipse Petrus ex illa ipsa visione, quid se agere vellet Dominus, apud se ipsum cogitando cognovit. Non enim hoc quisquam potest, nisi apud se intus sonante quodam tacito clamore veritatis agnoscere. Loquitur etiam Deus in bonorum malorumque conscientia. Nam et approbare quod bene facit, et improbare quod peccat, nemo recte potest, nisi ad eadem illa in silentio cordis vel laudante vel clamante voce veritatis. Veritas autem Deus est: quæ cum tam multis modis loquatur hominibus et bonis et malis (quanquam non omnes, quibus tot modis loquitur, possint quoque ejus substantiam naturamque conspicere), quis hominum potest conjiciendo aut cogitando colligere, quot et quibus modis eadem veritas loquatur Angelis, sive bonis, qui ejus ineffabili specie et pulchritudine per mirabilem charitatem contemplando perfruuntur; sive malis, qui depravati per superbiam suam, et ab ipsa veritate in inferioribus ordinati, possunt quibusdam latentibus modis vocem ejus audire, quamvis faciem videre non digni sint?
There are many ways in which God speaks with us. He speaks sometimes through some instrument, as through the book of the divine Scriptures; he speaks through some element of the world, as he spoke to the Magi through a star. For what is speech but the signifying of the will? He speaks through the lot, as he spoke about Matthias being appointed in Judas's place; he speaks through a human soul, as through a prophet; he speaks through an angel, as we accept that he spoke to some of the patriarchs and prophets and apostles; he speaks through some vocal and sounding creature, as we read and hold that voices came from heaven when no one was seen with the eyes. Finally, to man himself God speaks not outwardly through his ears or eyes but inwardly in his mind, and not in one way only: either in sleep, as to Laban the Syrian, that he should not harm his servant Jacob in anything, and as it was shown to Pharaoh about the seven fruitful years and the same number of barren ones; or when the human spirit is caught up, which the Greeks call ecstasy, as when to Peter at prayer a vessel full of likenesses of the Gentiles who would believe appeared to be let down from heaven; or in the mind itself, when someone understands the majesty or the will of God, as Peter himself, from that very vision, came to know by thinking it over within himself what the Lord wanted him to do. For no one can recognize this unless within him there sounds a kind of silent cry of the truth. God also speaks in the conscience of the good and the wicked. For no one can rightly either approve what he does well or disapprove where he sins, unless the voice of truth either praises or cries out against those very things in the silence of the heart. And truth is God: and since it speaks to human beings, good and bad, in so many ways (although not all to whom it speaks in so many ways can also behold its substance and nature), which human being can gather, by guessing or thinking, in how many and what ways that same truth speaks to the angels: whether to the good, who enjoy in contemplation its ineffable form and beauty through wonderful love; or to the wicked, who, depraved by their own pride and set by the truth itself in lower places, can hear its voice in certain hidden ways, though they are not worthy to see its face?
Matt 2:2 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 1:26 (allusion, high confidence) · John 12:28 (allusion, medium confidence) · Gen 31:24 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 41:1–32 (allusion, high confidence) · Acts 10:9–17 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: God speaks in many ways, through Scripture, signs, lots, prophets, angels, voices, dreams, ecstasy, understanding and conscience; so he could speak to the devil without being seen by him.
- Matt 2:2, 9; Acts 1:26; Matt 3:17 and John 12:28 (voices from heaven); Gen 31:24; Gen 41:1-32; Acts 10:9-17.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): nobiscum loquitur Dcus → nobiscum loquitur Deus; ScripTurarum: loquitur ner → Scripturarum: loquitur per; Loquitur pcr sortem → Loquitur per sortem; Patriarcharum ct Prophetarum → Patriarcharum et Prophetarum; loculum esse → locutum esse; Ger:. → Gen.; ster!libus demonstratum cst → sterilibus demonstratum est; tacibo → tacito; Deus cst: quæ → Deus est: quæ; lot modis → tot modis; quis, hominum → quis hominum; eadcm veritas → eadem veritas; depravati pcr superbiam → depravati per superbiam.
Topics: Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.4 (PL 38:101; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.5PL 38:101–103
Quapropter, dilectissimi fratres, fideles Dei, et Catholicæ matris germanissimi filii, nemo vos decipiat venenatis cibis, etiamsi adhuc estis lacte nutriendi: perseveranter nunc ambulate per fidem veritatis; ut certo et opportuno tempore ad speciem veritatis ejusdem venire possitis. Sicut enim Apostolus dicit, hic manentes corpore, peregrinamur a Domino; per fidem enim ambulamus, non per speciem. Ad speciem autem visionis Patris, fides christiana perducit. Unde Dominus dicit: Nemo venit ad Patrem, nisi per me. Sine causa ergo isti quærunt, quomodo diabolus ad Deum potuit venire per Christum. Diabolus enim ad illam contemplationis beatitudinem non potest pervenire, quo eos qui puro sunt corde fides christiana perducit. Nec ideo tamen diabolus vocem Dei loquentis audire non potuit; sicut multi homines etiam qui non crediderunt Christo, potuerunt vocem audire de cœlo dicentis Dei, Et clarificavi et clarificabo: cum Dominus dixisset, Pater, clarifica Filium tuum (ld. XII, 28, 27).
So, dearly beloved brothers, faithful of God and truest sons of the Catholic mother, let no one deceive you with poisoned food, even if you still need to be fed with milk: walk now perseveringly by the faith of the truth, so that at a sure and fitting time you may come to the sight of that same truth. For, as the Apostle says, "while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord; for we walk by faith, not by sight." And Christian faith leads to the sight of the vision of the Father. That is why the Lord says, "No one comes to the Father except through me." So it is pointless for these people to ask how the devil could come to God through Christ. For the devil cannot reach that blessedness of contemplation to which Christian faith leads those who are pure in heart. Yet the devil was not on that account unable to hear the voice of God speaking; just as many people who did not believe in Christ were able to hear the voice of God speaking from heaven, "I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again," when the Lord had said, "Father, glorify your Son."
1 Cor 3:2 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Cor 5:6–7 (quotation, high confidence) · John 14:6 (quotation, high confidence) · John 12:28 (quotation, high confidence) · John 17:1 (quotation, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The devil cannot attain the vision of God to which faith in Christ leads, but he could hear God's voice, as unbelievers heard the voice from heaven.
- 1 Cor 3:2; 2 Cor 5:6-7; John 14:6; John 12:27-28; John 17:1.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): oppertuno tempore ad speciem vcritalis → opportuno tempore ad speciem veritatis; hic menentes → hic manentes; pGr fidem → per fidem; ist! quærunt → isti quærunt; Diabolus cnim → Diabolus enim; cordc fidcs → corde fides; Nee ideo → Nec ideo; vocem Dci → vocem Dei.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.5 (PL 38:101–103; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.6PL 38:103
Quod autem scriptum est, diabolum venisse in conspectum Dei; non ideo scriptum est, quia quisquam potest aliquando conspectum Dei fugere, cujus oculis cuncta subjecta sunt, et cui cordis cujuslibet profunditas patet: sed quia in secreto creaturæ acta sunt, quæ Scriptura narravit, propterea scriptum est, Et ecce venerunt Angeli in conspectum Dei; quamvis a conspectu Dei nunquam recedant. Quocumque enim mittuntur, ibi quoque præsto est conspectus Dei. Sed illic proprie conspectus Dei dicitur, quo humanus non potest penetrare conspectus; sicut sunt secreta conscientiæ. Propterea cum redarguimus mentientem, non eum dicimus in conspectu Dei locutum; quia non hoc locutus est, quod in animo ejus conspicit Deus, quo conspectum dirigere non potest homo. Quia ergo hæc tam latenter gesta sunt, ut indicari hominibus per Scripturas sanctas, nisi Sancto Spiritu revelante, non possent, in conspectum Dei ventum esse, atque ibi gesta esse narrantur.
And as for its being written that the devil came into God's sight: it was not written because anyone can ever escape God's sight, to whose eyes all things are subject and to whom the depth of every heart lies open; but because the things that Scripture narrated were done in the hidden part of creation, therefore it is written, "And behold, the angels came into the sight of God"; though they never withdraw from God's sight. For wherever they are sent, there too God's sight is present. But that is properly called God's sight which human sight cannot penetrate, such as the secrets of conscience. That is why, when we refute a liar, we do not say that he spoke in God's sight; because he did not say what God sees in his mind, where man cannot direct his sight. So, because these things were done so hiddenly that they could not be shown to human beings through the holy Scriptures except by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, they are narrated as having come into God's sight and having been done there.
Job 1:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 4:13 (echo, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: "Came into God's sight" means that these events took place in a hidden realm, known only by the Spirit's revelation, not that anyone can ever leave God's sight.
- The opening words of the digital text, "In conspectum Dei venisse diabolum, quid sit," are Migne's marginal heading and are removed. Job 1:6; Heb 4:13.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's marginal heading left at the start of the text; removed; OCR slip in the digital text): In conspectum Dei venisse diabolum, quid sit. Quod autem → Quod autem; quis'luam → quisquam; SUbjecta sont → subjecta sunt; creaturœ → creaturæ; conspectU → conspectu; ani- DIO → animo; conspeclum → conspectum; aL indicari → ut indicari; revelanlc → revelante.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.6 (PL 38:103; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.7PL 38:103
Quod autem diabolus in medio Angelorum fuit, si bonos Angelos intelligis, sic in medio eorum intellige diabolum, sicut reus in medio apparitorum judici audiendus assistit. Non enim Scriptura declarat quales illi Angeli fuerint. Si autem in medio angelorum malorum, quid mirum est, principem ac ducem turba ministrorum suorum esse circumdatum? Si autem in conspectum Dei quod dictum est, sic accipias, ut illi in conspectum Dei veniant, qui non solum conspiciuntur ab eo, sed etiam conspiciunt eum; sic intelligendum est in medio eorum fuisse diabolum, ut tamen Deum, quem ipsi videbant, ille non viderit; ut etiam per aliquem sanctorum Angelorum Deus diabolo sit locutus. Nec tamen in libro scriptum est, nisi Dixit Deus. Sicut etiam in negotiis publicis, quanquam pleraque per præconem judex loquatur, judicis tamen nomen, cum Gesta scribantur, non etiam præconis inseritur. Sicut autem aliquis homo visione prophetica indignus, potest tamen in medio Prophetarum stare, ut tantum audiat quod per eos dicit Dominus, nec tamen videat quod illi vident: sic potuit et diabolus esse in medio sanctorum Angelorum Deum videntium, per quos audiret vocem Dei, quem videre ipse non posset.
As for the devil being in the midst of the angels: if you understand good angels, understand the devil in their midst as a defendant stands in the midst of the court officers to be heard by the judge. For Scripture does not declare what kind of angels they were. But if in the midst of wicked angels, what wonder is it that the prince and leader should be surrounded by a crowd of his servants? And if you take "into the sight of God" to mean that they come into God's sight who are not only seen by him but also see him, then the devil must be understood to have been in their midst in such a way that he did not see God, whom they saw; so that God even spoke to the devil through one of the holy angels. And yet the book says only, "God said." Just as in public business, although the judge says most things through a herald, still when the record is written down, the judge's name is entered, not the herald's too. And just as a man unworthy of prophetic vision can nevertheless stand in the midst of prophets, so as only to hear what the Lord says through them, without seeing what they see: so too the devil could be in the midst of the holy angels who see God, and through them hear the voice of God, whom he himself could not see.
Job 1:6–7 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Whether the angels were good or bad, the devil stood among them without seeing God, and God may have spoken to him through an angel, as a judge speaks through a herald.
- Job 1:6-7. "Gesta" are the official court records.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): Angclorum → Angelorum; duccm → ducem; sed eliam → sed etiam; ipsi vidcbant → ipsi videbant; ut ctiam → ut etiam; nec tamen vidcat → nec tamen videat; in mcdio sauctorum Angelorum Deum ridentium → in medio sanctorum Angelorum Deum videntium; vidcre ipse → videre ipse.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.7 (PL 38:103; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.8PL 38:103
Et machinamenta quidem Manichæorum, quantum ad hanc quæstionem pertinet, multis modis soluta esse perspicitis, ut non jam putetis, charissimi fratres, vere diabolum sic locutum esse cum Deo, ut etiam faciem veritatis, quam pura corda conspiciunt, videre potuerit; aut ad illam contemplationem beatitudinis venerit, quo nemo nisi per Dominum Jesum Christum venire permittitur. Sed tamen multum admiror hominum istorum impudentiam, qui de visione substantiæ divinæ calumniari nobis volunt, et id quod scriptum non est de Scripturis nostris mentiuntur, quod Deum diabolus viderit; et tantam hinc invidiam conflare conantur, ut quisquis exhorruerit, et indignum esse judicaverit ut diabolus viderit Deum, penitus a divinarum Scripturarum auctoritate, suspiciosa ignorantia non intelligens quod scriptum est, avertatur: cum ipsi Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum Deum esse non negent, et sine assumptione humani corporis eum hominibus apparuisse confingant.
And you see that the contrivances of the Manichees, as far as this question is concerned, have been undone in many ways, so that you will no longer think, dearest brothers, that the devil really spoke with God in such a way that he could even see the face of truth, which pure hearts behold; or that he came to that contemplation of blessedness to which no one is allowed to come except through the Lord Jesus Christ. But I am greatly amazed at the shamelessness of these people, who want to slander us about the vision of the divine substance, and tell lies about our Scriptures, saying what is not written, that the devil saw God; and try to stir up so much odium from this, that whoever is horrified, and judges it unfitting that the devil should have seen God, may be turned away entirely from the authority of the divine Scriptures, through a suspicious ignorance that does not understand what is written: whereas they themselves do not deny that our Lord Jesus Christ is God, and invent the story that he appeared to human beings without taking a human body.
John 14:6 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Manichees falsely claim Scripture says the devil saw God, while they themselves hold that Christ, who is God, appeared to people without a real body.
- John 14:6. The Manichees held that Christ's body was only apparent (docetism).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): fraircs → fratres; non ncgent → non negent.
Topics: Heresy, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.8 (PL 38:103; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.9PL 38:103
Quando ergo diabolus tentare ausus est Dominum, cum eum videret, quid videbat? Si corpus ejus videbat, habebat ergo Dominus corpus, quod nolunt perditi confiteri. Si autem corpus non habebat, ipsa divina substantia diaboli oculis subjacebat: quam non vident, nisi qui puro sunt corde, sicut ex Evangelio nobis ipsi commemorant. O importuna cæcitas hæreticorum! Cur Scripturas nostras, quod Deum diabolus viderit, mendaciter arguis; et negando corpus Christi, divinam ejus substantiam diaboli oculis publicare velle convinceris? An forte, sicut dicere solent, ita non habebat corpus humanum, ut se tamen quasi habere monstraret? Quis ergo verius et rectius sentit, insani, qui credit Deum locutum esse cum diabolo; an qui credit Deum non solum cum diabolo locutum, sed etiam diabolo esse mentitum? Quosdam enim angelos humanis oculis apparuisse, Scriptura commemorat: sed utique potestati eorum corpoream creaturam ita Dominus subdidit, ut illis eam pro voluntate coaptaret. Unde et illi, quamvis non nati ex femina, verum tamen corpus habuerunt, quod ex qualibet specie in quamlibet speciem pro sui ministerii atque officii ratione converterent; ex vera tamen in veram. Non enim et ipse Dominus cum aquam convertit in vinum, aut aquam falsam, aut vinum falsum fuisse possumus dicere.
So when the devil dared to tempt the Lord, when he saw him, what did he see? If he saw his body, then the Lord had a body, which the lost wretches will not confess. But if he did not have a body, then the divine substance itself lay open to the devil's eyes: which none see but the pure in heart, as they themselves remind us from the Gospel. O troublesome blindness of the heretics! Why do you falsely accuse our Scriptures of saying that the devil saw God, and by denying Christ's body are shown to want to display his divine substance to the devil's eyes? Or perhaps, as they are accustomed to say, he did not have a human body in such a way that he still showed himself as if he had one? Who then, you madmen, thinks more truly and rightly: he who believes that God spoke with the devil, or he who believes that God not only spoke with the devil but even lied to the devil? For Scripture records that certain angels appeared to human eyes; but certainly the Lord so subjected bodily creation to their power that they adapted it to their will. Hence they too, though not born of a woman, had a real body, which they could change from any form into any form according to the purpose of their ministry and duty; yet from a real form into a real form. For we cannot say that when the Lord himself turned water into wine, either the water or the wine was false.
Matt 4:1–11 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 18:1–8 (allusion, medium confidence) · John 2:1–11 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: If the devil saw Christ when tempting him, either Christ had a real body or the devil saw the divine substance; and if the body was a mere appearance, God deceived the devil. Angels too appear in real bodies.
- Matt 4:1-11; Matt 5:8; Gen 18:1-8; Gen 19:1-3; John 2:1-11.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): ausus cst → ausus est; cum eam videret, quid vidcbat? Si corpus cjus → cum eum videret, quid videbat? Si corpus ejus; confileri → confiteri; 0 importuna → O importuna; qnod Deum diabolus viderit, mendacitcr → quod Deum diabolus viderit, mendaciter; divinam cjus → divinam ejus; substantiam diaboli oculis publicare velle convinceris' → substantiam diaboli oculis publicare velle convinceris?; sicnt dicere solent, ita non hahchat corpus humanum, ut se tamen quasi hahere → sicut dicere solent, ita non habebat corpus humanum, ut se tamen quasi habere; an qni credit Deum non solutti cum diabolo locutum, sed eliam → an qui credit Deum non solum cum diabolo locutum, sed etiam; an- - gelos → angelos; corporcam → corpoream; eam1 pro voluntato → eam pro voluntate; atquo → atque; ex vcra → ex vera; ant vinum → aut vinum.
Topics: Heresy, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.9 (PL 38:103; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.10PL 38:103–105
Omne itaque corpus, cujus est natura et ordo mutabilis, ad nutum omnipotentissimi Conditoris, in quascumque species fuerit commutatum, a veritate tamen in suo genere non recedit: quoniam quacumque varietate mutetur, et corpus tamen et verum corpus esse non desinit. Sed cum isti omnem naturam corpoream, non ab omnipotente conditore Deo, sed a tenebrarum gente, nescio qua, esse confingant; quærimus ab eis, Dominus noster Jesus Christus unde corpus assumpserit. Si enim nullum corpus eum assumpsisse dicunt, quid erat illud quod humanis atque corporeis oculis apparebat? Aut enim mendacium phantasmatis erat, quod exsecrabile est credere: aut si ipsam divinam substantiam suam nulla corporis assumptione humanis oculis eum demonstrasse contendunt, et hanc etiam diabolus vidit; ubi est quod in ista quæstione calumniosa voce proclamant, Beati qui puro sunt corde quoniam ipsi Deum videbunt? Quod si forte dicunt, divinam et propriam substantiam Domini non talem esse apud Patrem, qualem se in terris voluit nullo assumpto corpore ostendere; quid aliud etiam, nisi locis et temporibus esse mutabilem, miseri crediderunt? Non enim legere volunt, aut intelligere facile possunt quod per prophetam dicitur, Mutabis ea, et mutabuntur; tu autem idem ipse es, et anni tui non deficient: et quod in divinæ Sapientiæ litteris de ipsa Sapientia scriptum est, In se ipsa manens, innovat omnia.
So every body, whose nature and order are changeable at the nod of the most almighty Creator, into whatever forms it is changed, does not depart from truth in its own kind: since by whatever variation it is changed, it still does not cease to be a body and a real body. But since these people invent the idea that all bodily nature is not from God the almighty Creator but from some race of darkness or other, we ask them where our Lord Jesus Christ took his body from. For if they say he took no body at all, what was it that appeared to human and bodily eyes? Either it was the lie of a phantom, which is abominable to believe; or, if they contend that he showed his divine substance itself to human eyes without taking any body, then the devil also saw this; and where is what they proclaim with slanderous voice in this question, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God"? But if perhaps they say that the Lord's divine and proper substance is not the same with the Father as he wished to show himself on earth without taking a body, what else have these wretches believed than that he is changeable by places and times? For they do not want to read, nor can they easily understand, what is said through the prophet, "You will change them, and they will be changed; but you are the same, and your years will not fail"; and what is written about Wisdom itself in the books of divine Wisdom: "Remaining in itself, it renews all things."
Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 102:26–27 (101:27-Ps Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Christ's visible body was either a deceitful phantom or the divine substance itself, both impossible; the Manichees would make the unchangeable Word changeable.
- The Manichees held that all bodies come from the kingdom of darkness. Matt 5:8; Ps 102:26-27 (Latin Ps 101:27-28); Wis 7:27.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): cujds → cujus; fierit → fuerit; veritate tamna → veritate tamen; qnacumque → quacumque; esse non dcsinil → esse non desinit; isti onem naturam → isti omnem naturam; conditore Dco → conditore Deo; undc corpus → unde corpus; corpus cum assumpsisse → corpus eum assumpsisse; mendaciu phantasmatis → mendacium phantasmatis; oculis cum demonstrassc → oculis eum demonstrasse; diabolus vidit.; → diabolus vidit;; nou talem → non talem; locis ct temporibus → locis et temporibus; in di.,-ina: Sapientiæ → in divinæ Sapientiæ; ipsa,Manens → ipsa manens.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 7:27 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Heresy, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.10 (PL 38:103–105; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).
12.11PL 38:105
Secundum illorum autem sensum, si quis eis dicat, Quid ergo miramini, si et Deus mutavit speciem divinitatis suæ, ut posset eum qui corde sordidissimo est diabolus, intueri, sicut de Christo Deo vobis videtur? quid responsuri sint nescio. Quia et nunquam dicere ausi sunt, Patrem et Filium nisi unius esse substantiæ: et si alterius esse substantiæ Filium dicerent, posset eis responderi, Unde igitur scitis, utrum cum Patre an cum Filio locutum esse diabolum, vetus illa Scriptura commemorat? Deinde quærimus, Solem istum videt diabolus, an non videt? Si videt, quomodo ergo sol Deus est, quem diabolus videt? Si non videt, mali tamen eum homines vident; quomodo ergo Deus est, quem vident qui non puro sunt corde? Aut si ut videri posset, etiam ipse mutatus est, et non hoc est quod videtur; quid si ergo vos aliud ostenditis, et aliud estis, ut imitari etiam solem, non tantum adorare possitis? Et tamen si eos interroges, utrum commutabilis aut incommutabilis sit divina substantia, non possunt nisi incommutabilem dicere, non ducti ratione, sed pudore confusi. Restat ergo ut cogantur fateri, Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum aliunde assumpsisse corpus, ut humanis oculis appareret. Quod si fatentur, quæro unde assumpserit. Si de hoc mundo dicunt, quæro ipsius mundi unde sit corpus. Continuo mihi, De tenebrarum gente, respondent. O mira dementia! Cur ergo, miseri, in corpore Salvatoris timetis uterum virginis, et gentem dæmonum non timetis?
But according to their way of thinking, if someone says to them, "Why then are you surprised if God too changed the form of his divinity so that the devil, who is of a most filthy heart, could look on him, as you think of Christ, God?", I do not know what they will answer. For they have never dared to say that the Father and the Son are not of one substance: and if they said the Son was of another substance, it could be answered to them, "How then do you know whether that old Scripture records that the devil spoke with the Father or with the Son?" Next we ask: does the devil see this sun, or not? If he sees it, how then is the sun God, when the devil sees it? If he does not see it, still wicked people see it; how then is it God, when those who are not pure in heart see it? Or if, in order to be seen, it too was changed, and is not what is seen, what if you too show one thing and are another, so that you may also imitate the sun, not only worship it? And yet if you ask them whether the divine substance is changeable or unchangeable, they can only say unchangeable, led not by reason but confounded by shame. It remains, then, that they are forced to confess that our Lord Jesus Christ took a body from somewhere so as to appear to human eyes. And if they confess this, I ask where he took it from. If they say from this world, I ask where the body of the world itself comes from. At once they answer me: "From the race of darkness." O wonderful madness! Why then, wretches, in the body of the Saviour do you fear the womb of a virgin, and do not fear the race of demons?
Matt 5:8 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Manichees, who worship the sun though the devil and the wicked see it, are forced to admit that Christ took a body; yet they would rather derive it from the race of darkness than from the Virgin's womb.
- The Manichees venerated the sun as a vessel of divine light. "They have never dared to say that the Father and the Son are not of one substance": so the digital text ("nunquam dicere ausi sunt, Patrem et Filium nisi unius esse substantiæ"); translated by sense.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip in the digital text): Quid crgo miramini, si ct Deus → Quid ergo miramini, si et Deus; Patrem ct Filium → Patrem et Filium; veLus → vetus; Dcinde → Deinde; Si vidct → Si videt; Deus est f quein → Deus est, quem; mutatus est, cl non → mutatus est, et non; imitari ctiam → imitari etiam; si cos interroges → si eos interroges; ratione i, → ratione,; coufusi → confusi; Domiuum → Dominum; 0 mira → O mira; Saivatoris → Salvatoris.
Topics: Heresy, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.11 (PL 38:105; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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12.12PL 38:105–107
Nos quidem universam naturam corporis ab omnipotente conditore Deo esse profitemur: et propterea undecumque Dominus noster assumeret corpus, de sua creatura utique assumeret: sed ex femina maluit humilis, qui ad liberandum perditam creaturam venerat, quae per feminam lapsa est. Unde utrumque sexum volens in spem renovationis et reparationis adducere, virilem in quo nasceretur, femineum per quem nasceretur, elegit. Vos autem qui exhorrescitis casta virginis viscera, eligite, obsecro, unde Dominus corpus assumeret. Dicitis omne corpus gentis tenebrarum esse substantiam. Eligite ergo, ut dixi, unde corpus Filius Dei deberet assumere. An perdidistis respondendi lucem, quia tenebræ vobis quocumque oculos converteritis, occurrunt? Sed caro mortalis, inquiunt, videtur immundior. Recitate eis Apostolum, Omnia munda mundis: et recitate in eos Apostolum, Immundis autem et infidelibus, nihil est mundum; sed polluta sunt eorum et mens et conscientia. Si autem non dicunt, Immundior; sed, Infirmior: consentimus plane; et ideo Christus est nostra firmitas, quia eum nostra non mutavit infirmitas. Hic agnosco prophetæ illam vocem, Mutabis ea, et mutabuntur; tu autem idem ipse es, et anni tui non deficient. Non solum enim non eum mutavit in deterius infirmitas carnis, sed ab eo in melius ipsa mutata est. Sol iste corporeus, quem corpus non esse arbitrantur ( usque adeo nec quid sit corpus, intelligunt, qui de spiritualibus disputationibus se fallaciter jactant): sol ergo iste corporeus, tantum quia cœleste corpus est, illuminat terram, nec ab ea ipse obscuratur; siccat aquam, nec inde humectatur; solvit glaciem, nec inde frigescit; durat limum, nec inde mollescit. Et Dominus noster Jesus Christus Verbum Patris, per quod facta sunt omnia, virtus et sapientia Dei, ubique præsens, ubique secretus, ubique totus, nusquam inclusus, pertendens a fine usque ad finem fortiter, et disponens omnia suaviter, timent infelices, ne non potuerit sic hominem assumere, ut vivificaret mortalia, nec ab eis mortificaretur; sanctificaret carnem, nec inde pollueretur; dissolveret mortem, nec inde ligaretur; mutaret in se hominem, nec in hominem mutaretur? Aliud ex alio disputare, propter quorumdam titubationem, et periculosam infirmitatem fidei, compulsi sumus. Quod autem attinet ad propositam quæstionem, quanquam illa Scriptura (de qua insidiari quam illuminari maluerant) Deum a diabolo visum esse non probet; videant tamen ipsi quomodo gens tenebrarum divinam substantiam videre potuerit, quando ante pugnam, qua bonum et malum dicunt esse commixtum, nullum adhuc corpus divina substantia, ut ab hoste suo videri posset, assumpserat. Ex quo cognoscant, frustra se catholicæ fidei firmamenta velle subvertere, cum suas fabulas ruinosas qualibuscumque responsionum destinis fulciri non possint.
We, for our part, profess that the whole nature of body is from God the almighty Creator: and so, from wherever our Lord took a body, he would certainly take it from his own creation: but he chose in humility to take it from a woman, he who had come to set free the lost creation, which fell through a woman. Hence, wishing to bring both sexes into the hope of renewal and restoration, he chose the male sex in which to be born, the female through which to be born. But you, who shudder at the chaste womb of the virgin, choose, I beg you, where the Lord should take a body from. You say that every body is the substance of the race of darkness. Choose, then, as I said, where the Son of God ought to take a body from. Or have you lost the light to answer, because darkness meets you wherever you turn your eyes? "But mortal flesh," they say, "seems more unclean." Read them the Apostle: "To the pure all things are pure"; and read against them the Apostle: "But to the unclean and unbelieving nothing is pure; but both their mind and their conscience are defiled." But if they do not say "more unclean" but "weaker," we fully agree: and that is why Christ is our strength, because our weakness did not change him. Here I recognize that saying of the prophet: "You will change them, and they will be changed; but you are the same, and your years will not fail." For not only did the weakness of the flesh not change him for the worse, but it was itself changed by him for the better. This bodily sun, which they think is not a body (so little do they understand what a body is, who boast falsely of spiritual discussions): this bodily sun, then, merely because it is a heavenly body, lights the earth and is not darkened by it; dries water and is not moistened by it; melts ice and is not chilled by it; hardens mud and is not softened by it. And our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of the Father, through whom all things were made, the power and wisdom of God, everywhere present, everywhere hidden, everywhere whole, nowhere enclosed, reaching from end to end mightily and ordering all things sweetly: do the unhappy people fear that he could not take up a man in such a way as to give life to mortal things and not be put to death by them; to sanctify the flesh and not be defiled by it; to dissolve death and not be bound by it; to change man into himself and not be changed into man? We have been compelled to argue one thing from another because of the wavering of some and their dangerous weakness of faith. But as for the question set before us, although that Scripture (which they preferred to lie in wait against rather than be enlightened by) does not prove that God was seen by the devil, let them see for themselves how the race of darkness could see the divine substance, when before the battle in which they say good and evil were mixed, the divine substance had not yet taken any body so as to be seen by its enemy. From this let them recognize that they want in vain to overturn the foundations of the Catholic faith, since they cannot prop up their tottering fables with any supports of answers.
Titus 1:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 102:26–27 (101:27-Ps Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: All bodies are from God, and Christ took flesh from a woman to restore both sexes; as the sun lights mud without being dirtied, the Word took mortal flesh without being changed or defiled; the Manichee myth itself has the race of darkness seeing God.
- The opening words of the digital text, "Filius Dei non est mutatus per incarnationem," are Migne's marginal heading and are removed. Titus 1:15; Ps 102:26-27 (Latin Ps 101:27-28); John 1:3; 1 Cor 1:24; Wis 8:1. The Manichee myth tells of a primeval battle in which light and darkness were mixed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Migne's marginal heading left at the start of the text; removed; OCR slip in the digital text): Filius Dei non est mutatus per incarnationem. Nos quidem → Nos quidem; conditore Ico → conditore Deo; undccumque Dom nus noster assumeret corpus, de sua creatura utiquc → undecumque Dominus noster assumeret corpus, de sua creatura utique; humilis 1, → humilis,; perditain → perditam; utdixi → ut dixi; perdi. dislis → perdidistis; consentimus plane; ct ideo → consentimus plane; et ideo; Mic agnosco → Hic agnosco; idem ipse ea, et anni → idem ipse es, et anni; non cnm mutavit → non eum mutavit; cœlesto → cœleste; nec ab era ipsc ubscuratur → nec ab ea ipse obscuratur; nee inde humectatur → nec inde humectatur; facla suut omnia virtus ct → facta sunt omnia, virtus et; usquc ad finem → usque ad finem; nec indc ligaretur → nec inde ligaretur; nee in hominem → nec in hominem; autcm attinet → autem attinet; dcqua → de qua; catholic;e → catholicæ; destinis I fulciri → destinis fulciri.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 8:1 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Serm. 12.12 (PL 38:105–107; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-sermones/12-1/#p-12-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne's Patrologia Latina 38 (Maurist text; digital text, Open Greek and Latin; corrections logged). Sermons outside 51–147 have no public-domain English and were re-read against the Latin; sermons 51–147 were compared section by section with NPNF¹ 6 (MacMullen, 1888).