Letters 239.1–242.5
Latin text: Goldbacher, CSEL 34, 44, 57 (Latin text: Alois Goldbacher (CSEL 34, 44, 57, 1895–1911), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).
Chapter 239
239.1CSEL 57:556–557
Si dicis te mihi dixisse fidem tuam et me tibi noluisse dicere fidem meam, quod et audio te non tacere, recordare, obsecro, quam utrumque sit falsum. nam nec tu mihi uoluisti dicere fidem tuam et ego tibi fidem meam non dicere nolui, sed ita dicere uolui, ut nemo posset dicere aut dixisse me aliquid, quod non dixerim, aut non dixisse, quod dixerim. diceres autem mihi fidem tuam, si hoc diceres, unde dissentis a nobis, si diceres: Credo in deum patrem, qui filium fecit primam creaturam ante omnes ceteras creaturas, et in ipsum filium nec aequalem patri nec similem nec uerum deum et in spiritum sanctum factum per filium post filium; haec enim uos audio dicere aut, si forte falsum est, quod ista dicatis, hoc potius abs te nolo scire. si autem uerum est, quia ista dicatis, uolo scire. quem ad modum ea de scripturis sanctis defendatis. nunc autem dixisti credere te in deum patrem omnipotentem. inuisibilem. inmortalem, non ab aliquo genitum et ex quo sunt omnia, et in filium eius Iesum Christum deum natum ante saecula, per quem facta sunt omnia, et in spiritum sanctum. haec fides non est tua sed utriusque nostrum, quem ad modum si adiungeres, quod eundem filium dei Iesum Christum etiam Maria uirgo peperit, quod pariter credimus, et si qua alia communiter confitemur. si uoluisses ergo tuam dicere, non istam diceres, quae communis est nobis, sed illam potius, in qua dissentimus a uobis.
If you say that you told me your faith and I would not tell you mine, as I hear you keep saying, remember, I beg you, how false both are. For you did not wish to tell me your faith, and I was not unwilling to tell you mine; but I wished to tell it in such a way that no one could say that I had said something I did not say, or had not said what I did say. You would have told me your faith if you had said where you differ from us, if you had said: “I believe in God the Father, who made the Son the first creature before all other creatures, and in the Son himself, neither equal to the Father nor like him nor true God, and in the Holy Spirit made through the Son after the Son”; for I hear that you people say this. Or, if perhaps it is false that you say these things, that rather I do not wish to learn from you; but if it is true that you say them, I want to know how you defend them from the holy Scriptures. But now you said that you believe “in God the Father almighty, invisible, immortal, begotten by no one, and from whom are all things, and in his Son Jesus Christ, God born before the ages, through whom all things were made, and in the Holy Spirit.” This faith is not yours but both of ours, as it would be if you added that the Virgin Mary bore this same Son of God, Jesus Christ, which we believe alike, and whatever else we confess in common. If, then, you had wished to state your own faith, you would not have stated this one, which is common to us, but rather the one in which we differ from you.
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Summary: Augustine tells Pascentius that the creed he recited is common to both, and asks him to state and defend from Scripture the Arian points on which they differ.
- To Pascentius. The Arian positions are those Augustine reports hearing attributed to them.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray letter; stray mark): a. nobis → a nobis; <in deum → in deum; a uobis. L → a uobis..
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 239.1 (CSEL 57:556–557; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-239-1).
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239.2CSEL 57:557–558
Haec et praesens dicerem, si, quem ad modum placuerat, uerba nostra exciperentur. sed quia hoc noluisti dicens te a nobis timere calumniam et a placito, cui mane consenseras, post prandium recessisti, ut quid dicerem, quod. quem ad modum uelles, me dixisse narrares et ego non haberem, unde ostenderem, quid uel quem ad modum dixerim? noli ergo ulterius iactare. quod tu fidem tuam dixeris et ego meam non dixerim, quia sunt homines, qui considerent me potius habuisse fiduciam fidei meae, qui eam scribi uoluerim, te autem non habuisse, dum quasi calumniam pertimescis. paratus ergo eras negare, si tibi obiceretur, quod contra fidem meam aliquid dixeris. uide ergo, quid de te ipse sentiri feceris. quod si obiectum non eras negaturus, cur dictum scribi noluisti. praesertim cum magnopere uoluisses etiam honoratos uiros nostro interesse sermoni? cur ergo uolens calumniam deuitare notariorum stilum timebas et clarissimorum testimonium non timebas?
I would say these things in person too, if our words were taken down as had been agreed. But since you refused this, saying you feared a false charge from us, and after lunch withdrew from the agreement you had consented to in the morning, why should I say anything that you could report I had said in whatever way you wished, while I would have nothing by which to show what I had said or how? Do not, then, boast any longer that you stated your faith and I did not state mine, for there are people who will consider that I rather had confidence in my faith, since I wished it to be written, and you did not, since you dreaded a so-called false charge. So you were ready to deny it, if it were put to you that you had said something against my faith. See, then, what you have made people think of you. But if you were not going to deny it when it was put to you, why did you not want what was said to be written, especially when you had so much wanted men of rank to be present at our conversation? Why, then, wishing to avoid a false charge, did you fear the stenographers' pen and not fear the testimony of the most distinguished men?
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Summary: Augustine repeats that Pascentius's refusal to have the debate recorded shows his lack of confidence, not Augustine's.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 239.2 (CSEL 57:557–558; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-239-2).
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239.3CSEL 57:558–559
Si autem sic uis ut etiam ego dicam fidem meam. quo modo te dicis dixisse tuam, ego etiam breuius possum dicere credere me in patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum. si autem proprium aliquid. unde dissentis a me, uis audire, credo in deum patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum nec filium dicens patrem nec patrem filium nec utrumque spiritum uel patrem uel filium et tamen patrem deum et filium deum et spiritum sanctum deum et patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum unum deum solum aeternum et inmortalem propria sua substantia, sicut deus solus aeternus et inmortalis est ea diuinitate, quae est ante saecula. hoc si tibi displicet et placet a me audire, quem ad modum de scripturis sanctis adseratur, lege etiam illud, quod prolixius conscriptum misi benignitati tuae. si autem tibi non uacat legere, nec mihi uacat frustra uerba iactare. possum tamen, quantum deus dederit facultatis uel dictandi tibi uel scribendi, ego quoque uel dictando uel scribendo, ad quod nolueris, respondere. Huic scripturae meae a me dictatae et relectae Augustinus subscripsi.
But if you want me too to state my faith in the way you say you stated yours, I can say even more briefly that I believe in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. But if you want to hear something distinctive, where you differ from me, I believe in God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, not calling the Son the Father nor the Father the Son, nor the Spirit of both either the Father or the Son; and yet the Father is God and the Son God and the Holy Spirit God, and the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God, alone eternal and immortal by his own substance, as God alone is eternal and immortal by that divinity which is before the ages. If this displeases you, and you would like to hear from me how it is asserted from the holy Scriptures, read also what I have sent to your kindness written at greater length. But if you have no leisure to read, neither have I leisure to toss words about in vain. Yet I can, as far as God gives me ability, whether you dictate or write, myself reply by dictating or writing to whatever you dislike. I, Augustine, have signed this writing of mine, dictated and reread by me.
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Summary: Augustine states the distinctively Catholic point, three distinct persons who are one God, and offers to reply in writing to any objection.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 239.3 (CSEL 57:558–559; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-239-3).
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Chapter 240
240.1CSEL 57:559–560
Optaueram te, frater dilectissime, pristini erroris tui consilium deponere; nunc miror te in ipso adhuc permanere, sicut epistula, quam ad me misisti, clamat. nam ita est dignatio tua, sicut sitiens nimio calore accensus si inuenerit aquam caenosam et se ingurgitauerit; postea, etiam si limpidam et frigidam reperiens biberit, non satis proficere potest, quando quidem caeno semel eius cor et anima obruitur. denique, quod pace tua dicam, ita est consilium praestantiae tuae sicut arbor curua et nodosa, quae nihil in se rectum habet et aciem peruertit oculorum. rescribit mihi sanctitas tua patrem deum, filium deum, spiritum sanctum deum, sed unum deum. quis e tribus unus deus? an forte una est persona triformis. quae hoc nomine nuncupetur? tu si uoluisses et confideres de professione tua. resideres mecum cum coepiscopis tuis puro ac pacifico animo et spiritu et conferres de his. quae dei sunt et quae ad gloriam et gratiam spiritalem pertinent. unde quid opus est scribere et rescribere, quod nos non aedificat?
I had hoped, dearest brother, that you would lay aside the opinion of your former error; now I am surprised that you still persist in it, as the letter you sent me proclaims. For Your Excellency is like a thirsty man burning with great heat who finds muddy water and gulps it down; afterwards, even if he finds and drinks clear cold water, it can do him little good, since his heart and soul have once been overwhelmed with mud. In short, if I may say so with your leave, Your Eminence's opinion is like a crooked and knotty tree that has nothing straight in it and distorts the eyesight. Your Holiness writes back to me: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, but one God. Which one of the three is the one God? Or perhaps it is one three-formed person that is called by this name? If you had wished, and had confidence in your profession, you would sit down with me, with your fellow bishops, with a pure and peaceful mind and spirit, and confer about the things of God and those that pertain to spiritual glory and grace. What need is there, then, to write and write back what does not edify us?
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Summary: Pascentius replies scornfully, likening Augustine's view to muddy water and a crooked tree, asking which of the three is the one God, and proposing an unrecorded meeting.
- Letter of Pascentius to Augustine. His charge that Augustine believes in a “three-formed person” is his own characterization.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 240.1 (CSEL 57:559–560; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-240-1).
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Chapter 241
241.1CSEL 57:560–561
Litterae tuae nec ad reddenda conuicia me prouocare nec a reddendis litteris reuocare potuerunt. ea quippe, quae scripsisti, mouerent me. si a ueritate dei, non a potestate hominis dicerentur. dixisti consilium meum arborem curuam et nodosam, quae nihil in se rectum habet et aciem peruertit oculorum. quid in me diceres, si a placito, quod inter nos mane statueramus, ego recessissem et in re facillima, quae recte placuerat, curuam refragationem et nodos difficultatis posuissem? neque enim aqua caenosa ingurgitatum me iudicares sed perfidiae. quod multo peius est, ebrietate submersum, si non talis post prandium redissem, qualis ante prandium recessissem. sed ecce numquid non rescripsisti. quod uoluisti, et nullam calumniam formidasti? sic ergo potes et cetera, ut sit, quod uel nos ipsi uel alii possint considerare et iudicare. quod enim dicis triformem dei personam me credere, si legere dignatus fuisses, quod aliud aliquanto prolixius misi. et ad ea, quae ibi scripta sunt, respondere uoluisses, hoc fortasse non diceres. sed tamen ecce et hoc ipsum. quod triformem dei personam dicam, et dictasti et conscriptum misisti et nullam calumniam timuisti; ecce ostendisti uerum esse. quod dico, non ideo te. sicut placuerat, cum simul essemus, uerba tua dictare noluisse. quia calumniam timebas. sed quia de ueritate non confidebas. et modo quia iam tibi placuit dictare, an triformem dei personam credam. respondeo non me ita credere; una quippe forma est, quia una. ut ita dicam, deitas est, et ideo unus deus pater et filius et spiritus sanctus.
Your letter could neither provoke me to return insults nor call me back from returning a letter. What you wrote would move me if it were said by the truth of God, not by the power of man. You called my opinion a crooked and knotty tree that has nothing straight in it and distorts the eyesight. What would you say of me if I had withdrawn from the agreement we made between us in the morning, and in a very easy matter that had rightly pleased us both had put crooked opposition and knots of difficulty? You would judge me not gulped full of muddy water but drowned in the drunkenness of bad faith, which is much worse, if I had not come back after lunch the same as I had gone away before lunch. But see, did you not write back what you wished, and did you fear no false charge? So you can do the rest too, so that there is something that we or others can consider and judge. As for your saying that I believe in a three-formed person of God, if you had deigned to read what else I sent at somewhat greater length and had been willing to answer what is written there, perhaps you would not say this. But still, look: this very thing, that I speak of a three-formed person of God, you have both dictated and sent in writing, and feared no false charge. See, you have shown that what I say is true: that you refused to dictate your words, as had been agreed when we were together, not because you feared a false charge but because you lacked confidence in the truth. And now, since it has pleased you to dictate whether I believe in a three-formed person of God, I answer that I do not believe so; for there is one form, because there is, so to speak, one deity, and therefore the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God.
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Summary: Augustine answers Pascentius's insults by pointing to his broken agreement, and denies that he believes in a “three-formed person,” since the one deity makes Father, Son and Spirit one God.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray hyphen): unus -deus → unus deus.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 241.1 (CSEL 57:560–561; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-241-1).
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241.2CSEL 57:561–563
Tu autem. peto, digneris breuiter respondere, quo modo accipias. quod ait apostolus: Qui adhaeret meretrici, unum corpus est: qui autem adhaeret domino. unus spiritus est. diuersi enim sexus corpora sibi adhaerentia unum corpus dixit et. cum spiritus humanus nullo modo posset dicere: Ego et dominus unum sumus, tamen, cum adhaeret domino, unus spiritus est; quanto, magis ille, qui uerissime dixit: Ego et pater unum sumus. quia inseparabiliter patri cohaeret, ipse et pater unus deus est, si tamen uel hoc uerbum admittitur in illa diuinitate. ut dicamus cohaeret, quod numquam omnino uel fuit uel esse poterit ulla distantia separatum! ad hoc responde, utrum tibi placeat biformem spiritum dici, quando, qui adhaeret domino, unus spiritus est. quod si tibi non placet, nec ego triformem deum dixi patrem et filium et spiritum sanctum sed unum deum. si autem in praesentia uis ut conloquamur, gratiam quidem habeo dignationi et beniuolentiae tuae. sed sicut iam mihi aliud, quod uoluisti, rescribere dignatus es, ita dignare rescribere dictaturos nos esse, quae dicturi sumus, et non deero uoluntati tuae, quantum me adiuuerit dominus. nam si scribis et scribo non nos aedificat, quo modo nos aedificat dicis, dico, ubi post uerborum strepitum non inueniamus, quid legendo recenseamus? Augustinus haec dictaui et relectis subscripsi. abstineamus nos a conuiciis, ne tempus inaniter inpendamus, et ad id, quod agitur inter nos, potius aduertamus.
But please deign to answer briefly how you understand what the apostle says: “He who joins himself to a harlot is one body; but he who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit.” For he called bodies of different sexes joined to each other one body; and although the human spirit could in no way say, “I and the Lord are one,” yet when it joins itself to the Lord it is one spirit. How much more is he who said most truly, “I and the Father are one,” because he is inseparably joined to the Father, one God with the Father, if indeed even this word “joined” is admissible in that divinity, which never has been nor could be separated by any distance! Answer this: whether you would have the spirit called two-formed when he who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit. If you would not, neither did I call the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit a three-formed God, but one God. But if you want us to confer in person, I am grateful for your courtesy and goodwill; but as you have already deigned to write me back something else you wished, so deign to write back that we will dictate what we are going to say, and I will not fail your wish, as far as the Lord helps me. For if you say, “writing and writing back does not edify us,” how do you say it edifies us when, after the din of words, we find nothing to review by reading? I, Augustine, dictated this and, having reread it, signed it. Let us refrain from insults, so as not to spend time in vain, and let us rather attend to what is at issue between us.
1 Cor 6:16–17 (quotation, high confidence) · John 10:30 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine asks Pascentius to explain 1 Cor 6:16–17, which shows unity without a “two-formed” spirit, and agrees to meet only if their words are recorded.
- Quotations: 1 Cor 6:16–17; John 10:30.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR misread; stray mark): Tn autem → Tu autem; et scribo> → et scribo.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 241.2 (CSEL 57:561–563; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-241-2).
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Chapter 242
242.1CSEL 57:563–564
Quis nostrum erret in fide uel cognitione trinitatis, alia quaestio est. gratum sane habeo, quod me quamuis incognitum facie tamen. quia errare credidisti, reuocare ab errore conatus es. huius tibi beniuolentiae mercedem retribuat deus et nosse te faciat, quod nosse te putas; res enim ardua est. ut existimo. et quaeso te. ne in ullam contumeliae partem acceperis, quod tibi tantae cognitionis munus optaui. uereor enim, ne opinatae scientiae praeiudicium si non praecepta uera, quae nequaquam ad te mihi adrogauerim, at certe bona uota nostra, quae mihi etiam indocto habere de te licet — non enim perite sed amice exhibenda sunt —, repellat ab auribus tuis potiusque mihi suscenseas, quod non tibi iam sicut sapienti gratulatus, quam gratias agas, quod tibi sapientiam deprecatus sim. uerum tamen si ego portans episcopalis nominis sarcinam libentissime amplector beniuolentiam tuam, quod me Bonoso et Iasoni, ut scribis, doctissimis uiris, etiam trans mare mittere dignatus es ad reportandos ex eorum disputationibus uberes fructus, quod denique ad detergendas totius erroris caligines libellum cuiusdam episcopi uestri ingenio et uiribus elaboratum ad me perferendum sollicita benignitate curasti, quanto est aequius te bono animo accipere. quod, ea, quae nulla humana ope et uiribus dari possunt, a domino deo tibi ut concedantur, optaui! apostolus enim inquit: Non spiritum huius mundi accepimus sed spiritum, qui ex deo est. ut sciamus, quae a deo donata sunt nobis: quae et loquimur non in doctis humanae sapientiae uerbis sed docti spiritu spiritalibus spiritalia comparantes. animalis autem homo non percipit, quae sunt spiritus dei; stultitia est enim illi.
Which of us errs in faith or in knowledge of the Trinity is another question. I am indeed grateful that, though I am unknown to you by face, you tried to call me back from error because you believed I was erring. May God repay you for this goodwill and make you know what you think you know; for it is, I think, an arduous matter. And I beg you not to take it as any insult that I have wished you the gift of so great a knowledge. For I fear lest the prejudgment of a supposed knowledge drive from your ears, if not true precepts, which I would by no means presume to offer you, at least our good wishes, which even I, unlearned, may have for you (for they are to be shown not skillfully but in friendship), and lest you be angry with me for not congratulating you already as a wise man rather than thank me for praying that you may have wisdom. Yet if I, carrying the burden of the name of bishop, most gladly embrace your goodwill in deigning, as you write, to send me even across the sea to the most learned men Bonosus and Jason, to bring back rich fruits from their discussions, and in finally taking care with anxious kindness to have brought to me a little book worked out with the talent and strength of one of your bishops to wipe away all the fog of error, how much fairer it is that you take in good spirit my wish that the Lord God may grant you what can be given by no human help or strength! For the apostle says: “We have not received the spirit of this world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may know the things given us by God; which we also speak, not in the learned words of human wisdom, but taught by the Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not perceive the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him.”
1 Cor 2:12–14 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 8:2 (allusion, medium confidence)
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Summary: Augustine thanks the Arian Elpidius for trying to correct him and for sending an Arian bishop's treatise, and wishes him true knowledge from God, quoting 1 Cor 2:12–14.
- To Elpidius, an Arian. Bonosus and Jason were apparently Arian teachers; otherwise unknown. Quotation: 1 Cor 2:12–14. Allusion: 1 Cor 8:2.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 242.1 (CSEL 57:563–564; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-242-1).
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242.2CSEL 57:564–565
Magis ergo tecum, si fieri posset, mallem quaerere, quousque appellandus sit animalis homo, ut, si eum iam transcendimus, recte fortasse illa, quae supra humanam mentem atque intellegentiam incommutabiliter manent, aliqua ex parte nos attigisse gaudeamus. cauendum est enim, ne propterea uideatur stultum, cum filium patri audiamus aequalem, quia hominem animalem adhuc agimus, de quo dictum est, quod stultitia sunt illi, quae sunt spiritus dei. quamquam sane maiestas illa supra cuncta sublimis ab spiritalibus cogitari possit, a nullo autem possit effari, uidere tamen, quantum arbitror, facile est non esse factum, per quem facta sunt omnia et sine quo factum est nihil. si enim per se ipsum factus est. erat. antequam fieret, ut fieri per se posset, quod certe tanto absurdius dicitur, quanto uanius cogitatur. si autem non per se factus est, non est factus omnino, quoniam, quicquid factum est. per ipsum factum est; omnia enim per ipsum facta sunt et sine ipso factum est nihil.
I would rather, then, if it were possible, inquire with you how far one is to be called the natural man, so that, if we have already passed beyond him, we may perhaps rightly rejoice that we have in some measure reached those things that abide unchangeably above the human mind and understanding. For we must take care that it does not seem foolish to us, when we hear that the Son is equal to the Father, because we are still living as the natural man, of whom it was said that the things of the Spirit of God are foolishness to him. Although that majesty, exalted above all things, may be thought of by the spiritual but uttered by no one, yet it is easy to see, I think, that he was not made, through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. For if he was made through himself, he existed before he was made, so that he could be made through himself, which is certainly the more absurd to say the emptier it is to think. But if he was not made through himself, he was not made at all, since whatever was made was made through him; for all things were made through him and without him nothing was made.
1 Cor 2:14 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine argues from John 1:3 that the Son, through whom all things were made, cannot himself have been made.
- Quotations: 1 Cor 2:14; John 1:3.
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 242.2 (CSEL 57:564–565; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-242-2).
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242.3CSEL 57:565–566
Miror parum adtendi. quae tam expresse euangelista uoluit intimare. ut neminem dissimulare permitteret; non enim satis fuit dicere: Omnia per ipsum facta sunt, nisi adderet: Et sine ipso factum est nihil. at ego quamuis tardus et nondum detersa caligine saucium mentis oculum gerens ad intuendam patris et filii incomparabilem ineffabilemque praestantiam tamen hoc tota facilitate complector. quod nobis in euangelio propterea praeseminatum est, non ut hinc comprehenderemus illam diuinitatem, sed ut hinc admoneremur non oportere nos de temeraria comprehensione iactare. si enim omnia per ipsum facta sunt, quicquid non per ipsum factum est, non est factum. ipse autem per se factus non est; non est igitur factus. et omnia per ipsum facta esse ab euangelista credere cogimur; ab eodem ergo cogimur eum factum esse non credere. item, si sine ipso factum est nihil, ipse ergo nihil est, quia sine se factus est. quod si opinari sacrilegum est, restat. ut fateamur aut non sine se factum esse aut factum non esse. non autem sine se factum esse non possumus dicere. si enim ipse se fecit, iam erat ante, quam fieret; si autem ad se faciendum alteri, a quo factus est, adiutorium praebuit, nihilo minus, ut se adiuuante ipse fieret. iam erat ante, quam fieret. relinquitur itaque, ut sine se factus sit. quicquid autem sine illo factum est, nihil est. aut nihil est igitur aut factus non est; sed non est nihil, factus igitur non est. at si factus non est et tamen filius est, sine dubio natus est.
I am surprised that so little attention is paid to what the evangelist wished to state so expressly that he allowed no one to ignore it; for it was not enough to say, “All things were made through him,” unless he added, “and without him nothing was made.” And I, though slow and still bearing a wounded eye of the mind, its fog not yet wiped away, for gazing on the incomparable and ineffable excellence of the Father and the Son, nevertheless grasp this with complete ease: that it was sown beforehand for us in the Gospel, not so that we might comprehend that divinity from it, but so that we might be warned by it not to boast of a rash comprehension. For if all things were made through him, whatever was not made through him was not made. But he was not made through himself; therefore he was not made. And we are compelled by the evangelist to believe that all things were made through him; by the same evangelist, therefore, we are compelled not to believe that he was made. Again, if without him nothing was made, then he himself is nothing, because he was made without himself. But if it is sacrilege to think this, it remains that we confess either that he was not made without himself or that he was not made. But we cannot say that he was not made without himself. For if he made himself, he already existed before he was made; and if he gave help to another, by whom he was made, in making himself, nonetheless, for him to be made with his own help, he already existed before he was made. So it remains that he was made without himself. But whatever was made without him is nothing. Therefore he is either nothing or not made; but he is not nothing; therefore he was not made. But if he was not made, and yet is the Son, without doubt he was born.
John 1:3 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine reasons from John 1:3 that the Word was neither made through himself nor without himself, and so was not made but begotten.
- Quotation: John 1:3.
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 242.3 (CSEL 57:565–566; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-242-3).
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242.4CSEL 57:566–567
Quo modo. inquis, potuit de solo patre nasci filius aequalis ei. de quo natus est? iam hoc enarrare non possum et cedo prophetae dicenti: Generationem eius quis enarrabit? quod si tu de humana generatione, qua per uirginem natus est, accipiendum putas, ipse te discute et interroga animam tuam, utrum, si in generatione humana deficit. audeat enarrare diuinam. noli ergo, inquis, dicere aequalem. cur non dicam, quod dixit apostolus? non rapinam, inquit, arbitratus est esse se aequalem deo. etsi enim aequalitatem illam non explicauit humanae menti nondum purgatae, posuit tamen in uerbo, quod in re possit inuenire purgata. demus itaque operam mundando cordi nostro, ut inde exsurgat acies, qua ista uidere ualeamus; beati enim mundicordes, inquit, quia ipsi deum uidebunt. ita excedentes animalis hominis caliginosas imagines ad serenitatem illam sinceritatemque ueniemus, qua uidere possimus, quod dici non posse uideamus.
“How,” you say, “could a Son equal to him be born of the Father alone, of whom he was born?” This I cannot declare, and I yield to the prophet who says, “Who shall declare his generation?” But if you think this should be taken of the human generation by which he was born of the Virgin, examine yourself and ask your soul whether, if it fails in the human generation, it dares to declare the divine. “Do not, then,” you say, “call him equal.” Why should I not say what the apostle said? “He did not think it robbery,” he says, “to be equal to God.” For although he did not explain that equality to the human mind not yet purified, he put it in a word, so that the purified mind could find it in reality. Let us therefore give our effort to cleansing our hearts, so that from there may arise the sight by which we can see these things; for “blessed are the pure in heart,” he says, “for they shall see God.” So, going beyond the foggy images of the natural man, we shall come to that serenity and clarity in which we can see what we see cannot be said.
Isa 53:8 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:8 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine says the Son's generation cannot be declared, but Phil 2:6 calls him equal to God, and only the pure in heart can see this.
- Quotations: Isa 53:8 (LXX/Old Latin); Phil 2:6; Matt 5:8.
Topics: Trinity, Christology
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 242.4 (CSEL 57:566–567; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-242-4).
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242.5CSEL 57:567–568
Nam libello, quem dignatus es mittere, si mihi sit otium facultasque tribuatur ad singula respondere, arbitror te cogniturum tanto minus quemque uestiri lumine ueritatis, quanto magis sibi uidetur nudam depromere ueritatem. quis enim ferat, ut alia omittam et hoc solum interim commemorem, quod maxime ingemui, cum apostolus Paulus dicat: Videmus nunc per speculum in aenigmate, tunc autem facie ad faciem, istos iam dicere omni integumento retecto nudam se depromere ueritatem? qui si diceret: Nudam uidemus ueritatem, nihil esset caecius ista arrogantia uisionis; non autem dixit uidemus sed depromimus, ut non solum iam ueritas intentioni mentis patere sed etiam potestati linguae subiacere uideatur. multa sunt, quae de trinitatis ineffabilitate dicantur, ut ipsa non dicatur — alioquin non est ineffabilis —, sed ut illis dictis illa dici non posse intellegatur. uerum iam, ut arbitror, modum excessit epistula mea, cum per tuam me admonueris breuiter scribere. sed quia institutione ueterum te excusare dignatus es, non tibi absurdus uidebor, si modum quarundam epistularum Ciceronis, quia eius quoque in litteris tuis mentionem fecisti, non te pigeat recordari.
As for the little book you deigned to send, if I had leisure and the opportunity were given me to answer it point by point, I think you would learn that each man is clothed with the light of truth the less, the more he thinks he is setting forth the naked truth. For who could bear it (to pass over other things and mention only this for now, which made me groan most) that, when the apostle Paul says, “We see now through a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face,” these people now say that, every covering removed, they set forth the naked truth? If they said, “We see the naked truth,” nothing would be blinder than that arrogance of vision; but they did not say “we see” but “we set forth,” so that truth seems not only to lie open to the gaze of the mind but also to be subject to the power of the tongue. There are many things said about the ineffability of the Trinity, not so that it may be said (otherwise it is not ineffable), but so that by those sayings it may be understood that it cannot be said. But my letter has now, I think, exceeded the limit, since you warned me in yours to write briefly. But since you deigned to excuse yourself by the practice of the ancients, I will not seem absurd to you if you will not mind recalling the length of certain letters of Cicero, since you mentioned him too in your letter.
1 Cor 13:12 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine criticizes the Arian treatise's claim to set forth the “naked truth,” citing 1 Cor 13:12, and excuses the length of his letter by Cicero's example.
- Quotation: 1 Cor 13:12.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark): ueritatem>, → ueritatem,.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. 242.5 (CSEL 57:567–568; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-epistulae/239-1/#p-242-5).
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