Against Secundinus the Manichaean 10–18

Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25.2 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra Secundinum Manichaeum (CSEL 25.2, 1892), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0).

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Chapter 10

10CSEL 25.2:919–922

At enim ait apostolus: non est nobis conluctatio aduersus carnem et sanguinem, sed aduersus principatus et potestates, qui ad amorem proprii fastus et honoris uoluntate inpia declinando animis piis reditum inuideant. sed hoc interest inter uestram opinionem et nostram fidem, quia uos eosdem principes ex sua propria quadam natura exortos, quam deus nec genuerit nec fecerit, sed habuerit aeterna uicinitate contiguam, aduersus deum belligerasse arbitramini eique intulisse ante commixtionem boni et mali magnum primo necessitatis malum, quod illis substantiam suam adfligendam perturbandamque, in errore commutandam atque obliuione sui penitus demergendam commiscere cogeretur, ut liberatore. correctore, emendatore. praeceptore indigeret — quod cernis quam stulte fabuloseque dicatur, quanto scelere inpietatis obstringat — nobis autem per christianam fidem persuasum est non esse contrarium deo, qui summe est, nisi quod omnino non est; quicquid autem aliquo modo est, ab illo, qui summe est, habere, ut quoquo modo sit, atque in suo genere bonum esse, sed alia magis esse, alia minus. atque ita omnia bona, quae a conditore deo facta sunt, certis ac distributis gradibus ordinata partim locorum interuallis ac sedibus, sicut omnia corporalia, partim meritis naturalibus, sicut anima praeponitur corpori, partim meritis praemiorum atque poenarum, sicut anima uel adtollitur ad quietem uel doloribus subditur. ac per hoc illi principes, contra quos habere nos conluctationem dicit apostolus, poenam peccatorum suorum priores patiuntur, ut noceant. nullus enim inuidus, ut alterum laedat, non sibi prior ipse tormento est. nocent autem infirmioribus fortiores; nam nullus alterum superat, nisi quo est potentior. sed tamen ipsi infirmiores sunt principes iniqui, quam si in statu pristino atque iustitia permanerent. interest autem, unde sit quisque alio fortior: utrum corpore, ut equi hominibus, an animae natura, ut rationale inrationali, an adfectione animi, ut iustus iniusto, an ordine potestatis, ut imperator milite aut prouinciali. potestas autem a summa dei potestate omnino dari creditur; saepe etiam deterioribus in meliores, id est iniquis in eos, qui uel iam tenent iustitiam uel ad eam tenendam peruenire nituntur. ad hoc enim datur, ut probati per patientiam manifesti fiant, uel sibi ad spem uel aliis ad imitationem. scientes, inquit apostolus, quoniam tribulatio patientiam operatur, patientia probationem, probatio spem. ex quo genere certaminis est, cum homo fidelis aduersus principes et potestates praeuaricatorum angelorum et aduersus spiritalia nequitiae conluctatur, cum illi accipiunt temptandi potestatem, ille praecepta tolerandi: ex quo fit, ut in re inferiore superent, in potentiore superentur: superant plerumque corpus infirmius et mente firmiore superantur. contra uim quippe eorum patientia pugnatur, contra insidias prudentia, ut ad perniciosam consensionem nec cogendo nos flectant, nec fallendo decipiant. quoniam uero uirtus et sapientia dei est, per quam facta sunt omnia, propterea in his, quae facta sunt. cum superiora ad inferiora declinant, ubi est omne peccatum et omne quod dicitur malum, uis imitatur uirtutem et fallacia sapientiam; cum uero ea, quae declinauerant, recurrunt et redeunt, magnanimitas uirtutem, doctrina sapientiam imitatur. ipsum etiam deum patrem peccantes imitantur inpia superbia, iusti pia liberalitate. spiritum denique sanctum iniquorum cupiditas, rectorum caritas imitatur: utrique tamen ab imitatione dei, a quo et per quem et in quo naturae ipsae factae sunt, recedere, sed illi uitiosa, illi laudabili. nec mirum, si quando proficientes deficientesque confligunt, imitatio deficientium a proficientium imitatione superatur; illi enim elatione praecipitantur, isti humilitate consurgunt. Si autem mouet, cur mente fortiores infirmiores sint corpore. non est mirum, ut peccatorum remissione liberati mortalitate corporis exerceantur, cuius inmortalitate coronabuntur. non enim facile subplicium deuitatur, nisi ille, qui eo soluitur, meritis uicerit. unde apostolus: si autem Christus in uobis, corpus quidem mortuum est propter peccatum, spiritus autem uita est propter iustitiam. si autem spiritus eius, qui suscitauit Iesum Christum ex mortuis, habitat in uobis, qui suscitauit Iesum Christum ex mortuis, uiuificabit et mortalia corpora uestra per inhabitantem spiritum eius in uobis. animus igitur mortalem propter subplicium peccati carnem gerens, si commutatus in melius, non secundum mortalem carnem uixeris, et ipsam in melius commutat et inmortale corpus habere merebitur; sed hoc in fine, quo nouissima inimica destruetur mors, cum corruptibile hoc induerit incorruptionem, non fabuloso illo globo uestro, sed ea mutatione, de qua dicit: omnes resurgemus, sed non omnes inmutabimur. cum enim expressisset dicens: et mortui resurgent incorrupti et nos inmutabimur, tunc contexendo subiunxit ostendens, qualem diceret inmutationem, et ait: oportet enim corruptibile hoc induere incorruptionem et mortale hoc induere inmortalitatem. quaestionem quippe tractabat de corpore resurgentium, quam sic posuerat: sed dicet aliquis: quomodo resurgent mortui? quo autem corpore uenient? lege itaque totum ipsum locum pia cura intentus, non pertinaci contentione turbatus et ingenium tuum deo adiuuante nullo explanatore desiderato nihil aliud quam id, quod dico. reperies: et tunc ad illud, quod tractare institueramus, animum reuoca et uide iam, si potes, non hoc me dicere, quod iusti contra nihil pugnant, sed contra eas substantias, quae defecerunt non stando in ueritate.

But the apostle says: “Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers,” who, by turning aside with ungodly will to the love of their own pride and honor, begrudge devout souls their return. But this is the difference between your opinion and our faith: you think that these same princes arose from some nature of their own, which God neither begot nor made but had adjoining him in eternal neighborhood, and that they made war against God and inflicted on him, before the mingling of good and evil, the first great evil of necessity, in that he was compelled to mingle his substance with them, to be afflicted and disturbed, changed in error and wholly plunged into forgetfulness of itself, so that it needed a liberator, corrector, reformer, teacher (you see how foolishly and fabulously this is said, and with how great a crime of impiety it binds one). But we have been persuaded through the Christian faith that nothing is contrary to God, who supremely is, except what wholly is not; and that whatever in any way is has from him who supremely is that it is in whatever way it is, and is good in its own kind, but some things are more, some less. And so all good things made by God the founder are ordered in fixed and distributed ranks: partly by intervals and positions of place, like all bodily things; partly by natural worth, as the soul is set above the body; partly by the deserts of rewards and punishments, as the soul is either raised to rest or subjected to pains. And so those princes against whom the apostle says we have a struggle suffer the penalty of their sins first, in order to do harm. For no envious one harms another without being first a torment to himself. The stronger harm the weaker; for no one overcomes another except where he is more powerful. Yet the wicked princes themselves are weaker than if they had remained in their original state and righteousness. But it matters in what respect anyone is stronger than another: in body, as horses than human beings; or in the nature of the soul, as the rational than the irrational; or in disposition of mind, as the just than the unjust; or in rank of power, as a general than a soldier or a provincial. And power is believed to be given wholly by the supreme power of God; often even to the worse over the better, that is, to the wicked over those who either already hold to righteousness or strive to attain it. For it is given so that those proved by patience may become manifest, either to themselves for hope or to others for imitation. “Knowing,” says the apostle, “that tribulation produces patience, patience proof, proof hope.” Of this kind of contest it is when a faithful person struggles against the principalities and powers of the transgressing angels and against the spiritual forces of wickedness, when they receive power to tempt and he commandments to endure; from which it comes about that they win in the lower thing and are defeated in the more powerful: they often overcome a weaker body and are overcome by a stronger mind. For against their force one fights with patience, against their snares with prudence, so that they neither bend us by compulsion nor deceive us by trickery into ruinous consent. And since there is a Power and Wisdom of God through which all things were made, therefore among the things that were made, when higher things incline toward lower (where all sin and all that is called evil is found), force imitates power and deceit imitates wisdom; but when those that had turned aside run back and return, greatness of spirit imitates power and learning imitates wisdom. Sinners imitate God the Father himself by ungodly pride, the righteous by devout generosity. Finally, the greed of the wicked and the love of the upright imitate the Holy Spirit. Yet both [cannot] depart from the imitation of God, from whom and through whom and in whom the natures themselves were made, but the one by vicious, the other by praiseworthy imitation. Nor is it surprising if, when those advancing and those falling away come into conflict, the imitation of those falling away is overcome by the imitation of those advancing; for the former are cast down by pride, the latter rise up by humility. And if it troubles you why those stronger in mind are weaker in body, it is no wonder that those set free by the forgiveness of sins are exercised by the mortality of the body, with whose immortality they will be crowned. For a punishment is not easily escaped unless the one released from it has overcome by merits. Hence the apostle: “But if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus Christ from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Jesus Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit dwelling in you.” So the mind, bearing mortal flesh because of the punishment of sin, if, changed for the better, it does not live according to the mortal flesh, both changes the flesh itself for the better and will deserve to have an immortal body; but this at the end, when the last enemy, death, will be destroyed, when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, not by that fabulous globe of yours, but by that change of which he says: “We shall all rise, but we shall not all be changed.” For when he had expressed it, saying, “And the dead will rise incorrupt, and we shall be changed,” he then went on to add, showing what change he meant, and said: “For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” For he was treating the question of the body of those who rise, which he had put thus: “But someone will say: How will the dead rise? With what body will they come?” So read that whole passage attentively with devout care, not disturbed by obstinate contention, and with God's help your mind, needing no interpreter, will find nothing other than what I say. And then recall your mind to what we had set out to treat, and see now, if you can, that I am not saying that the righteous fight against nothing, but against those substances which fell away by not standing in the truth.

Eph 6:12 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 13:1 (echo, medium confidence) · Rom 5:3–4 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 1:24 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 11:36 (allusion, high confidence) · Rom 8:10–11 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:26 (allusion, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:51–53 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Cor 15:35 (quotation, high confidence) · John 8:44 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Augustine explains the spiritual struggle of Eph 6:12 without Manichaean dualism: the evil powers are fallen creatures, God permits them power to test the faithful, and the body will be changed in the resurrection, not absorbed into a Manichaean “globe”.

  • Augustine summarizes the Manichaean myth of the war of darkness on God and the mingling of God's substance with evil, and calls it fabulous.
  • “That fabulous globe of yours” refers to the Manichaean teaching that at the end the unredeemed light would be imprisoned in a mass (globus) with darkness.
  • “Both [cannot] depart”: the sentence as printed (recedere, with no governing verb) is incomplete; translated by sense.
  • 1 Cor 15:51 is quoted in the Old Latin form “we shall all rise, but we shall not all be changed”.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR misreading of Iesum; OCR slip; OCR slip (letter lost); stray comma; stray period; word split in the digital text): natura. exortos → natura exortos; interuallis ae sedibus → interuallis ac sedibus; conlucationem → conluctationem; potestas autem a, summa → potestas autem a summa; sapientia dei. est → sapientia dei est; legum Christum → Iesum Christum; cum enim. expressisset → cum enim expressisset; incorrupti et. nos → incorrupti et nos; induere in corruptionem → induere incorruptionem.

Topics: Eschatology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 10 (CSEL 25.2:919–922; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 11

11CSEL 25.2:922–923

Deficere autem non iam nihil est, sed ad nihilum tendere. cum ea enim, quae magis sunt, declinant ad ea, quae minus sunt, non illa, in quae declinant, sed illa, quae declinant, deficiunt et minus esse incipiunt quam erant, non quidem, ut ea sint, ad quae declinauerunt, sed pro suo genere minus. non enim cum animus ad corpus declinat, corpus efficitur, sed tamen defectiuo adpetitu quodam modo corporascit; ita et angelica quaedam sublimitas, cum magis delectata est suo dominatu in se ipsa, ad id quod minus est inclinauit adfectum et minus esse coepit quam erat et pro suo gradu tetendit ad nihilum. quanto enim quaeque res minus est, tanto uicinior nihilo est. cum autem isti defectus uoluntarie fiunt, recte reprehenduntur et peccata nominantur; cum autem sequuntur istas uoluntarias defectiones incommoda, molestiae, dolores, aduersitates, quae omnia contra uoluntatem patimur, recte utique peccata uel subpliciis puniuntur uel exercitationibus diluuntur. quae si animo sereno intueri uelis, profecto desinas accusare naturas atque ipsas in crimen uocare substantias. si quid autem de hac re copiosius explicatiusque desideras, lege tres libros nostros, qui inscribuntur "de libero arbitrio, " quos in Campania Nolae poteris inuenire apud Paulinum nobilem dei famulum.

To fall away is not yet nothing, but to tend toward nothing. For when things that are more incline to things that are less, it is not the things to which they incline but those that incline which fall away and begin to be less than they were, not so as to be the things to which they inclined, but less according to their own kind. For when the mind inclines to the body, it does not become body, but by a deficient desire it becomes, in a way, bodily. So too a certain angelic sublimity, when it took greater delight in its own lordship in itself, inclined its affection to what is less, and began to be less than it was, and according to its rank tended toward nothing. For the less anything is, the nearer it is to nothing. When these fallings away happen voluntarily, they are rightly blamed and called sins; and when there follow upon these voluntary fallings away harms, troubles, pains, adversities, all of which we suffer against our will, then sins are certainly rightly either punished by penalties or washed away by exercises. If you are willing to look at this with a calm mind, you will surely stop accusing natures and charging substances themselves with crime. And if you want anything more fully and clearly explained on this matter, read our three books entitled On Free Choice, which you can find at Nola in Campania with Paulinus, the noble servant of God.

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Summary: Augustine defines evil as a voluntary falling away of a being from what is more to what is less, and refers Secundinus to his three books On Free Choice, available from Paulinus at Nola.

  • Augustine's three books On Free Choice (De libero arbitrio) are not yet on this site; no extrabiblical id exists for them.
  • Paulinus, later bishop of Nola.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 11 (CSEL 25.2:922–923; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 12

12CSEL 25.2:923–924

Nunc uero meminisse debeo epistulae me tuae quamuis multo longiore, tamen epistula respondere. ideo quippe in aliis non tacui, ne ubique cogar eadem dicere. sed promiseram ex litteris tuis tibi persuadere, quam falsa credideris et quam uera sit fidei catholicae adsertio. certe enim non omnis inter nos discretio est, quod uos substantiam quandam malum esse dicitis. nos uero non substantiam, sed inclinationem ab eo, quod magis est, ad id, quod minus est, malum esse dicimus. audi igitur et ipsum. ponis enim in epistula et dicis de anima, quod carnis permistione ducatur ad peccatum, non propria uoluntate atque ibi statim, credo, cum uideres, si ita est, subueniendum esse ab omnipotenti deo prorsus omni animae nullamque omnino debere damnari, quoniam non uoluntate peccaret — quo constituto euerteretur sententia, quam Manichaeus de subpliciis animarum etiam de lucis parte uenientium terribiliter personat — uigilantissime subiecisti dicens: at si, cum se ipsam cognouerit. consentiat malo et non se armet contra inimicum, uoluntate sua peccauit. bene quidem, quod aliquando confiteris fieri posse, ut sua uoluntate anima peccet; sed cui tandem malo si consentiat, uoluntate sua peccat? ei certe, quod substantiam dicis esse.

But now I must remember that I am answering a letter, though one much longer, with a letter. That is why I have not been silent on these matters in other works, so as not to be forced to say the same things everywhere. But I had promised to persuade you from your own letter how false are the things you have believed and how true is the assertion of the catholic faith. For certainly the whole difference between us is not that you say a certain substance is evil, while we say that evil is not a substance but an inclination from what is more to what is less. So hear this too. For you put in your letter, and say of the soul, that it is led to sin by mingling with the flesh, not by its own will. And there at once, I believe, when you saw that, if this were so, the almighty God would have to come to the aid of absolutely every soul and none at all ought to be condemned, since it would not sin by will (and once that was established, the sentence which Mani thunders terribly about the punishments of souls, even those coming from the part of light, would be overturned), you very watchfully added, saying: “But if, when it has come to know itself, it consents to evil and does not arm itself against the enemy, it has sinned by its own will.” It is good indeed that you at some point admit that it can happen that the soul sins by its own will; but to what evil, after all, does it sin by its own will if it consents? Certainly to that which you say is a substance.

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Summary: Augustine notes that Secundinus's letter admits the soul sins by its own will when it consents to evil, which undermines both Mani's teaching on punishment and the claim that evil is a substance.

  • Secundinus's two statements about the soul are quoted from his letter.
  • Augustine refers to the Manichaean teaching that some souls of light would be punished at the end by imprisonment.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 12 (CSEL 25.2:923–924; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 13

13CSEL 25.2:924–925

At ego iam tria quaedam uideo; tu quoque, ut opinor, mecum uides. anima enim consentiens malo et ipsum malum, cui consentitur, duo sunt. tertia est autem ipsa consensio; non enim et hanc esse animam dicis, sed animae. horum igitur trium, ecce, anima substantia est; malum etiam illud. cui anima consentiendo uoluntarie peccat, ex uestra opinatione substantia est. quaero igitur, quid sit ipsa consensio, utrum ipsam substantiam, an in substantia esse dicatis. si enim substantiam esse dixeris, non iam duas substantias, sed tres opinaberis. an propterea duas, quod animae consensio, qua consentit malo, eiusdem substantiae est cuius ipsa anima? iam ergo quaero, mala an bona sit ista consensio. si bona est, non utique peccat anima, cum consentit malo. non solum autem ueritas clamat, sed tu quoque scribis tunc eam uoluntate peccare. mala est igitur ista consensio ac per hoc etiam animae substantia, si et animae substantia est et utrumque una substantia. uidesne, quo coactus es, ut animam et illud malum non iam unam substantiam bonam, alteram malam, sed duas malas esse perhibeas? hic fortasse conaberis consensionem culpabilem non animae tribuere, quae consentit malo, sed ipsi malo, cui consentit, ut hoc modo possint esse duae substantiae, una bona, altera mala, cum anima de parte boni esse dicitur, consensio uero eius qua consensit malo et malum ipsum cui consentit, simul ex alia parte constituitur, et anima malae substantiae utrumque deputatur. quis absurdius delirauerit? non enim anima consentit, si non est eius consensio; ipsa autem consentit: eius est igitur. porro, si eius est consensio, et mala est ista consensio, eius est hoc malum. nam si et hoc malum illius mali est, cui anima consentit, non habebat necesse hoc malum, priusquam ei consentiret anima. quale igitur bonum est anima, cuius aduentu uel duplicatur illud malum uel, ut mitius dicamus, augetur?

But I already see three things; you too, I think, see them with me. For the soul that consents to evil, and the evil itself to which consent is given, are two. The third is the consent itself; for you do not say that this too is the soul, but that it belongs to the soul. Of these three, then, see: the soul is a substance; that evil too, by consenting to which the soul sins voluntarily, is a substance according to your opinion. So I ask what the consent itself is: do you say it is a substance, or is in a substance? For if you say it is a substance, you will think there are now not two substances but three. Or do you say two because the soul's consent, by which it consents to evil, is of the same substance as the soul itself? Then I ask whether this consent is evil or good. If it is good, the soul certainly does not sin when it consents to evil. But not only does the truth proclaim, you too write that it then sins by will. So this consent is evil, and therefore so is the soul's substance, if it is both the soul's substance and both are one substance. Do you see what you are forced into, so as to declare that the soul and that evil are no longer one good substance and the other evil, but two evil ones? Here perhaps you will try to attribute the blameworthy consent not to the soul that consents to evil, but to the evil itself to which it consents, so that in this way there can be two substances, one good and the other evil: the soul being said to be from the part of the good, while its consent, by which it consented to evil, and the evil itself to which it consents, are placed together on the other side, and both are assigned, not to the soul, but to the evil substance. Who could rave more absurdly? For the soul does not consent if the consent is not its own; but it does consent; so it is its own. Further, if the consent is its own, and this consent is evil, this evil is its own. For if this evil too belongs to that evil to which the soul consents, that evil did not have this evil before the soul consented to it. What sort of good, then, is the soul, at whose arrival that evil is either doubled or, to put it more mildly, increased?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: Augustine analyzes the soul's consent to evil: it must belong to the soul, so on Manichaean premises the soul itself would be evil, or else its coming would increase evil.

  • “Assigned, not to the soul, but to the evil substance” translates “anima malae substantiae utrumque deputatur” by sense; the printed wording is awkward and may be corrupt.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; hyphenation debris; stray period): subtantia → substantia; uolun-. tate → uoluntate; consentit. malo → consentit malo.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 13 (CSEL 25.2:924–925; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 14

14CSEL 25.2:925–926

Deinde si substantia est ista consensio, quam malam esse constat, inuenimus esse in animae potestate, ut aliqua mala substantia uel sit uel non sit, quandoquidem ista consensio in animae potestate est. nam si non est, non ergo sua uoluntate consentit. tu autem pro hac consensione uoluntate sua peccare dixisti. habet ergo anima, ut dixi, in potestate, ut quaedam mala substantia uel sit uel non sit. quid est autem aliud substantia quam natura? erit ergo aliqua natura, quae nec animae naturalis sit, quoniam, si nolit, non erit, nec illi malo, cui anima uoluntate consentit; non enim potestis dicere naturale malum esse gentis tenebrarum, quod ibi aliena uoluntate instituitur, hoc est animae uoluntate. cui ergo naturae deputabitur ista natura, id est ista consensio, si natura est, quae neque animae neque tenebrarum genti naturalis est, nisi, ut contra Manichaeum disputes, non duas, sed tres esse naturas? quia et si aliquando fuerunt duae, nunc tamen iam, posteaquam exorta est ista consensio, tres utique factae sunt. quam sane tertiam, quae nata est ex anima consentiente et ex malo, cui consentit, quasi utriusque filiam cogeris dicere; sed cum ex duabus naturis nata sit, quarum altera bona est, altera mala, quaero, cur non aliquid neutrum natum sit, sicut enim ex equo et asino quod nascitur, nec equus nec asinus est, ita, quod de bona et mala natura natum est, si et ipsa natura est, nec bona nec mala esse debebat. tu autem consensionem malam esse confiteris; dicis enim tunc animam uoluntate sua peccare, dum consentit malo. an forte naturam bonam et naturam malam quasi duos sexus masculinum et femininum esse arbitraris, ut, quemadmodum ex masculo et femina non aliquid neutrum, sed aut masculus aut femina gignitur. sic ex bono et malo non aliquid tertium, quod nec bonum esset nec malum, sed alterum malum esse contendas natum? quod si ita est, ubi est illa uictrix animae natura? itane separata est, ut non alterum bonum potius nasceretur? deinde non uides te sexus diuersos iam dicere, non naturas? nam si inter bonum et malum naturarum esset diuersitas, non oreretur ex utroque nisi aliquid tertium, quod nec bonum posset esse nec malum; aut certe sterilis esset ipsa commixtio nec inde tertia substantia pareretur. si enim ex illis animalibus, quae supra commemoraui, cum sibi miscentur, nihil aliud quam mulus uel mula gignitur. quod neque hoc neque illud sit, quanto magis ita fieri oportuit in tam magna et summa diuersitate boni et mali? aut si nulla ex eorum commixtione noua natura existeret, mala non esset, etiamsi bona esse non posset. restat igitur, ut tam incredibilia deliramenta uitare nequeamus, nisi illam consensionem, quam constat malam esse atque culpabilem, fateamur non esse substantiam, sed in aliqua substantia esse dicamus.

Next, if this consent, which is agreed to be evil, is a substance, we find that it is in the soul's power that some evil substance either exists or does not exist, since this consent is in the soul's power. For if it is not, then the soul does not consent by its own will. But you said that it sins by its own will on account of this consent. So the soul has it in its power, as I said, that some evil substance either exists or does not exist. And what else is a substance but a nature? So there will be some nature which is neither natural to the soul, since, if the soul does not will it, it will not exist, nor to that evil to which the soul consents by will; for you cannot say that the evil is natural to the race of darkness which is established there by another's will, that is, by the soul's will. To what nature, then, will this nature be assigned, that is, this consent, if it is a nature, which is natural neither to the soul nor to the race of darkness, unless, to argue against Mani, you say that there are not two but three natures? For even if there were once two, now at any rate, after this consent arose, there have certainly become three. This third, born of the consenting soul and of the evil to which it consents, you are forced to call, as it were, the daughter of both. But since it was born of two natures, one good and the other evil, I ask why something neutral was not born; for just as what is born of a horse and an ass is neither horse nor ass, so what was born of a good and an evil nature, if it is itself a nature, ought to be neither good nor evil. But you admit that the consent is evil; for you say that the soul sins by its own will when it consents to evil. Or do you perhaps think that the good nature and the evil nature are like two sexes, male and female, so that, just as from male and female not something neuter but either a male or a female is begotten, so from good and evil you maintain that not some third thing, neither good nor evil, but the other, evil, was born? If so, where is that victorious nature of the soul? Was it so set aside that the other, good, was not born instead? Then do you not see that you are now speaking of different sexes, not natures? For if there were a diversity of natures between good and evil, nothing would arise from both but some third thing, which could be neither good nor evil; or else the mingling itself would be sterile, and no third substance would be produced from it. For if from those animals I mentioned above, when they mate, nothing is begotten but a male or female mule, which is neither the one nor the other, how much more should it have happened so in so great and extreme a diversity as that of good and evil? Or if no new nature arose from their mingling, it would not be evil, even if it could not be good. It remains, then, that we cannot avoid such incredible ravings unless we admit that that consent, which is agreed to be evil and blameworthy, is not a substance, but say that it is in some substance.

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Summary: Augustine argues that if the soul's evil consent were a substance, the soul could create evil natures and there would be three natures, not Mani's two; so consent is not a substance but exists in a substance.

  • The “victorious nature of the soul” echoes Secundinus's letter (see section 8).

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 14 (CSEL 25.2:925–926; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 15

15CSEL 25.2:926–928

Deinde in qua substantia sit, diligentissime requiramus. quamquam cui non manifestum sit, ut sicut suasio non fit nisi in suadente, ita consensionem non esse nisi in consentiente natura? anima ergo cum consentit malo, ipsa substantia est, consensio uero eius non est substantia. iam cernis, ut arbitror, in qua substantia sit, id est, in anima esse istam consensionem profecto uides, quam consensionem peccatum esse ac per hoc malum esse non dubitas. ex quo iam intellegis fieri posse, ut in bona substantia, sicuti est anima, sit aliquod malum, quod non est substantia, sicuti est ista consensio, ex quo malo appelletur etiam anima mala. peccatrix enim utique mala est; peccat autem. cum consentit malo. una igitur eademque res, id est anima, in quantum substantia est, bona est; in quantum autem habet aliquid mali, quod non est substantia. id est consensionem istam, in tantum mala est. non enim ex profectu, sed ex defectu habet hanc consensionem. deficit quippe, cum consentit malo, minusque iam esse ac propterea minus ualere incipit quam ualebat, dum nulli consentiens in uirtute consisteret: tanto utique deterior, quanto ab eo, quod summe est, ad id, quod minus est. uergit. ut etiam ipsa minus sit: quanto autem minus est, tanto utique fit propinquior nihilo. quod enim minus quoque fit. eo tendit, ut non sit omnino: quo quamuis non perueniat, ut penitus pereundo nihil sit. manifestum est tamen qualemlibet defectum exordium esse pereundi. aperi ergo iam cordis oculos et intuere, si potes, bonum aliquod esse qualemlibet substantiam, et ideo malum esse defectum substantiae, quia bonum est esse substantiam: nec tamen omnem defectum esse culpabilem, sed solum uoluntarium, quo anima rationalis ad ea, quae infra illam sunt condita, conditore suo deserto declinat, adfectum; hoc est enim. quod peccatum uocatur. ceteri autem defectus, qui non sunt uoluntarii, uel poenales sunt, ut peccata puniantur moderatrice summa atque ordinatrice iustitia, uel mensuris rerum infimarum interueniunt, ut praecedentia succedentibus cedant, atque ita omnis temporalis pulchritudo uicibus suis atque suo genere peragatur. sicut enim sermo peragitur quasi morientibus atque orientibus syllabis, quae per morarum certa interualla tenduntur et spatiis suis inpletis ordinata consequentium successione decedunt, donec ad suum finem tota perducatur oratio, nec in ipsis decurrentibus sonis, sed in loquentis moderatione positum est, quantum producatur corripiaturue syllaba, uel qua specie litterarum singulae suorum locorum momenta custodiant, cum ars ipsa, quae sermonem facit, nec sonis perstrepat nec peruoluatur uarieturque temporibus: sic ortu et occasu, decessu atque successu rerum temporalium certis ac definitis tractibus, donec recurrat ad terminum praestitutum, temporalis pulchritudo contexitur. quae non ideo mala est, quia in spiritalibus creaturis possumus intellegere mirarique meliora, sed habet proprium in suo genere decus atque insinuat bene uiuentibus summam dei sapientiam in alto secretam supra omnes temporum metas fabricatricem ac moderatricem suam.

Next let us inquire most carefully in what substance it is. Although to whom is it not plain that, just as persuasion happens only in the one persuading, so consent exists only in the consenting nature? So when the soul consents to evil, it is itself a substance, but its consent is not a substance. You now see, I think, in what substance it is; that is, you surely see that this consent is in the soul, which consent you do not doubt is sin and therefore evil. From this you now understand that it can happen that in a good substance, such as the soul is, there is some evil which is not a substance, such as this consent is, from which evil the soul too is called evil. For a sinner is certainly evil; and it sins when it consents to evil. So one and the same thing, that is, the soul, is good insofar as it is a substance; but insofar as it has something evil which is not a substance, that is, this consent, to that extent it is evil. For it has this consent not from advance but from falling away. For it falls away when it consents to evil, and begins to be less and therefore to be less strong than it was while, consenting to nothing, it stood firm in virtue; certainly the worse, the more it inclines from what supremely is to what is less, so that it itself is less; and the less it is, the nearer it certainly becomes to nothing. For what becomes less tends toward not being at all; and although it does not reach that point, so as to perish utterly and be nothing, it is nonetheless plain that any falling away is the beginning of perishing. So open now the eyes of your heart and see, if you can, that any substance whatever is something good, and that therefore the falling away of a substance is evil, because it is good to be a substance; yet that not every falling away is blameworthy, but only the voluntary one, by which the rational soul, deserting its founder, inclines its affection to the things founded below it; for this is what is called sin. The other fallings away, which are not voluntary, are either penal, so that sins are punished by the supreme justice that regulates and orders, or they occur in the measures of the lowest things, so that the earlier give way to the later, and thus all temporal beauty is carried through in its turns and in its own kind. For just as speech is carried through by syllables, as it were, dying and rising, which are drawn out through fixed intervals of length and, their spans fulfilled, withdraw in the ordered succession of those following, until the whole utterance is brought to its end; and how long a syllable is lengthened or shortened, or with what form of letters each keeps the moments of its places, lies not in the running sounds themselves but in the speaker's control, while the art itself that makes the speech neither resounds with sounds nor is rolled along and varied by times: so by the rising and setting, departure and succession of temporal things, in fixed and definite stretches, until it runs back to its appointed end, temporal beauty is woven together. It is not evil because we can understand and admire better things in spiritual creatures; but it has its own grace in its kind, and it suggests to those who live well the highest wisdom of God, hidden on high above all the boundaries of times, its maker and regulator.

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Summary: Augustine concludes that evil consent is not a substance but a voluntary falling away within the good substance of the soul, and compares the passing of temporal things to the ordered succession of syllables in speech.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray capital; stray hyphen; stray period): censensio → consensio; peccatum esse- → peccatum esse; Syllabis → syllabis; positum est,. → positum est,; ars Ipsa → ars ipsa.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 15 (CSEL 25.2:926–928; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 16

16CSEL 25.2:928–929

Age nunc, adtende illud. quod dicebas malum, cui anima consentiendo uoluntarie peccat, utrum substantia sit aliqua, an uero nec ibi possis accusare substantiam. quaero enim, quid adliciat animae consensionem, an inruat illa cassatim et propterea consentire dicatur. quia eius aliqua delectatione mouetur ad fruendum. quod si ita est, non est consequens, ut propterea malum dicatur, quia non recte diligitur. si enim ostendero amari aliquid male, ubi non amati, sed amantis culpa teneatur profecto fateberis cuiusque rei speciem non esse continuo uitiosam, quia uitiose in eam consensio cupientis inlabitur. quod quantum me adiuuet, post adparebit. sed ut ostendam, quod pollicitus sum, quid potius eligam. cum me rerum copia circumfluat? quid, inquam, potius eligam, quam id, quod nos ut creaturam laudamus caelestem, uos autem ut portionem ipsius creatoris adoratis? quid est inter cuncta uisibilia isto sole praeclarius? at si quisquam eius lucem inmoderatius concupiscat. infert suis oculis bella iurgiorum, si aliquam potestatem nactus, qua possit inplere, quod adpetit, domus uicinorum adpositas suis fenestris comminuit, quo sol penetralia eius caelo apertiore perfundat. numquid ergo solis est uitium, quia ille lucem istam sic dilexit. ut eam luci iustitiae praeponere auderet et uolens lumen oculorum carnalium abundantius excipere in habitaculum corporis ianuam cordis et aciem mentis contra lumen claudere aequitatis? uides ergo amari posse rem bonam amore non bono. quapropter, cum tu malum dicas, cui consentiendo anima peccat, ego bonum dico in genere suo, sed tale bonum, cui animam quo est melior consentire non deceat cum enim sit ipsa corpore superior deumque habeat se superiorem, quamuis in ordine suo natura corporis bona sit, peccat tamen anima et peccando fit mala, si consensionem dilectionis, quam superiori deo debet, inferiori corpori adiungat.

Come now, consider whether that which you called evil, by consenting to which the soul sins voluntarily, is some substance, or whether here too you cannot accuse a substance. For I ask what draws the soul to consent: does that thing rush upon it at random, and is the soul said to consent because it is moved by some delight in it to enjoy it? If so, it does not follow that the thing should be called evil because it is not loved rightly. For if I show that something is loved wrongly where the fault lies not with what is loved but with the lover, you will surely admit that the beauty of any thing is not at once vicious because the consent of one who desires it slips viciously toward it. How much this helps me will appear later. But to show what I promised, what should I choose rather, when an abundance of things flows around me? What, I say, should I choose rather than that which we praise as a heavenly creature, but you worship as a portion of the Creator himself? What among all visible things is brighter than this sun? Yet if someone desires its light immoderately, he brings quarrels upon his own eyes; and if he gets some power by which he can fulfill what he seeks, he smashes his neighbors' houses that stand next to his windows, so that the sun may flood his inner rooms from a more open sky. Is it then a fault of the sun that he so loved this light that he dared to put it before the light of justice, and, wishing to receive the light of fleshly eyes more abundantly into the dwelling of the body, shut the door of the heart and the gaze of the mind against the light of equity? You see, then, that a good thing can be loved with a love that is not good. Therefore, when you call that evil by consenting to which the soul sins, I call it good in its own kind, but such a good that it is not fitting for the soul, which is better, to consent to it. For since the soul is itself higher than the body and has God higher than itself, although the nature of the body is good in its order, the soul nonetheless sins and by sinning becomes evil if it joins to the lower body the consent of love which it owes to the higher God.

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Summary: Augustine argues that what the soul consents to in sin is good in its own kind but loved wrongly, illustrating this with the sun, which the Manichaeans worship, loved so immoderately that a man wrongs his neighbors.

  • Augustine reports that the Manichaeans worshiped the sun as a portion of God.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; doubled comma): ah inruat → an inruat; non amati,, sed → non amati, sed.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 16 (CSEL 25.2:928–929; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 17

17CSEL 25.2:929–931

Quodsi dicis non eam te uocare consensionem culpabilem, cum res illa diligitur, quae non agit, ut sibi consentiatur, sed tunc consentire animam, cum illum, cui consentit aliquid suadet aut aliquid cogit, et propterea malum esse, quia, ut aliquid mali committatur. suadet aut urguet: secunda quaestio est et ordine suo iam iamque etiam ipsa tractanda. sed meminerimus hic primum peccati, de quo satis. ut arbitror, disputatum est claruitque fieri posse, ut res aliqua in suo genere bona male diligatur et dilectore culpato ipsa non reprehendatur. quid? si enim tali iam dilectione peccatrix anima atque uitiosa idem peccatum alteri persuadeat, nonne et illa, quae persuadenti consentit, tali uitio deprauata, quali uitio deprauata illa quam sequitur? primum ergo peccatum est quamuis bonam creaturam creatori in dilectione praeponere, secundum autem alterum quoque, ut id faciat, uel suadendo uel cogendo temptare. nemo enim ad prauitatem uult alium perducere, qui non prior ipse deprauatus est. uolunt autem qui peccant alios ad peccatum perducere uel stulta beneuolentia uel malitiosa inuidentia. quis enim filios suos nisi peruerse amando monet, ut nullum lucrum turpe existiment, sed undecumque adquirant amplam pecuniam? utique non odit eos et tamen perniciose persuadet. talium quippe dilectione iam ipse corruptus est, cum aurum et argentum malum non sit, quemadmodum et ille sol, de quo superius egimus, sed tamen rei bonae dilector inordinatus in culpa sit. inuidentia uero, cum alium uult quisque peccare, honorem diligit inmoderata superbia et in eo cupit excellere atque ceteris anteire; quem quoniam uidet amplius et uerius deferri uirtutibus, ne in eo superetur, cupit alios ad iniquitatis uoraginem ex aequitatis arce deponi. hoc modo diabolus suadere aut cogere ad peccata conatur. sed numquid ipse honor in culpa est, quia eum diabolus peruerse atque inpie diligendo inpius factus est? aut ipsa eiusdem diaboli angelica substantia, quam deus creauit, ideo mala est, quia substantia est? sed cum eius deserens dilectionem et ad suam nimis conuersus ei uideri cupit aequalis, superbiae tumore deiectus est. non ergo in quantum substantia est, sed quoniam substantia facta est, in quantum se ipsum amplius dilexit quam eum, a quo factus est, malus est, et ideo malus, quia minus est quam esset, si id, quod summe est, dilexisset; defectus ergo malus est. omnis ergo defectus ab eo, quod est, tendit, ut non sit, sicut omnis profectus ab eo, quod minus est, tendit, ut magis sit. honor quippe summus, qualem pietas religiosorum exhibet. utique deo debetur. qui ergo amat honorem, deum imitatur. sed humiles animae in illo se honorari uolunt. superbi prae illo. ad deum autem humiles excelsiores fiunt. iniustis, contra deum uero excelsi humiliores fiunt iustis, ea scilicet dispensatione praemiorum atque poenarum, quia illi deum amauerunt supra se, illi pro deo amauerunt se.

But if you say that you do not call it blameworthy consent when a thing is loved that does not act to get consent for itself, but that the soul consents when the one to whom it consents persuades or compels it to something, and that this is evil because it persuades or presses for something evil to be committed: that is a second question, and it too must be treated very soon in its order. But let us remember here first the sin which has, I think, been discussed enough, and it has become clear that it can happen that a thing good in its own kind is loved wrongly and, while the lover is blamed, the thing itself is not reproached. What then? If a soul already sinful and vicious through such love persuades another to the same sin, is not the soul that consents to the persuader corrupted by the same vice as the one it follows? So the first sin is to put a creature, however good, before the Creator in love; the second is to tempt another to do so as well, either by persuading or by compelling. For no one wishes to lead another into depravity who has not first been depraved himself. And those who sin wish to lead others into sin either from foolish goodwill or from malicious envy. For who advises his sons to think no gain shameful but to acquire ample money from anywhere, except by loving them perversely? He certainly does not hate them, and yet he persuades them ruinously. He himself is already corrupted by love of such things, although gold and silver are not evil, any more than that sun of which we spoke above; yet the disordered lover of a good thing is at fault. But by envy, when someone wishes another to sin, he loves honor with immoderate pride and longs to excel in it and to surpass the rest; and since he sees it bestowed more fully and more truly on virtues, lest he be surpassed in it, he longs for others to be brought down from the citadel of equity into the whirlpool of iniquity. In this way the devil tries to persuade or compel to sins. But is honor itself at fault because the devil, by loving it perversely and impiously, became impious? Or is the angelic substance of that same devil, which God created, evil because it is a substance? But when, deserting the love of God and turned too much toward his own, he wished to seem equal to him, he was cast down by the swelling of pride. So he is evil not insofar as he is a substance, but, since he was made a substance, insofar as he loved himself more than him by whom he was made; and he is evil because he is less than he would be if he had loved what supremely is. So falling away is evil. Every falling away, then, tends from what is toward not being, just as every advance tends from what is less toward being more. Indeed the highest honor, such as the devotion of the religious offers, is certainly owed to God. So one who loves honor imitates God. But humble souls wish to be honored in him, the proud in place of him. And the humble, toward God, become higher than the unjust, while the lofty, against God, become lower than the just, by that dispensation of rewards and punishments, because the former loved God above themselves, the latter loved themselves instead of God.

Isa 14:13–14 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Augustine distinguishes the first sin, loving a creature above the Creator, from the second, persuading others to it, and explains the devil's fall as pride, a falling away of a good substance rather than an evil nature.

  • The devil's wish to be equal to God echoes the traditional reading of Isa 14:13–14.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 17 (CSEL 25.2:929–931; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 18

18CSEL 25.2:931–932

Iam, ut arbitror. facile est tibi intellegere ex ipsius uerbis epistulae tuae, quibus dixisti: animam, cum consentit malo, uoluntate peccare, nullum malum esse naturam malam uel dilectionem naturae malae, sed, cum omnes naturae in suo genere bonae sint, malum esse peccatum, quod fit uoluntate animae cum diligit pro ipso creatore creaturam, siue suo nutu, cum sit mala, siue alterius persuasu, cum consentit malo. et nihilominus sic quoque fit mala consequentibus subpliciis, ut pro meritis omnia disponantur a creatore summe bono in creatura bona, sed non summe bona, quia non eam genuit de se ipso, sed fecit ex nihilo. tu autem constituisti duas naturas. quarum unam uis bonam esse, alteram malam, uel potius unam boni, alteram mali; nam mala natura ex bona etiam peccando fit. fateris tamen eam naturam. quam bonam esse dicis, malo consentiendo male facere, hoc est uoluntate peccare. at ego ambas bonas esse adsero, sed unam earum male facere suadendo, aliam male facere consentiendo. sicut autem alterius consensio non est natura, sic nec huius suasio; et sicut ista si non consentiat, bona permanebit, integritatem naturae suae custodiens, sic illa, si non suadeat. emendatior erit, si uero etiam peccatum, quod non suadet, nec ipsa committat, pariter erant integrae atque in suo genere laudabiles: etsi enim bis illa peccat, quae et committit et suadet, illa autem semel, si tantummodo ad male faciendum consentiat, tamen peccatis fiunt malae, non natura sunt malae. aut si propter suasionem natura ista mala est, sic et illa propter consensionem. sed si peius tibi uidetur esse suadere quam consentire, sit ista mala, ista peior; non tamen tanta sit acceptio personarum tam iniqua in iudicando gratificatio, ut cum ambae peccent. quamuis una grauius, altera leuius. una dicatur natura mali. altera boni, ac non potius aut ambae bonae, sed illa melior, quae peccat minus, aut ambae malae. sed illa peior. quae peccat amplius.

Now, I think, it is easy for you to understand from the very words of your letter, in which you said that the soul sins by will when it consents to evil, that no evil is an evil nature or the love of an evil nature; but that, since all natures are good in their own kind, evil is sin, which happens by the will of the soul when it loves the creature in place of the Creator, whether at its own prompting, when it is evil, or at another's persuasion, when it consents to evil. And nonetheless it also becomes evil in this way, by the punishments that follow, so that all things are disposed according to deserts by the supremely good Creator in a creature that is good but not supremely good, because he did not beget it from himself but made it out of nothing. But you have set up two natures, one of which you want to be good and the other evil, or rather one of good and the other of evil; for an evil nature comes even from a good one by sinning. Yet you admit that the nature which you call good does evil by consenting to evil, that is, sins by will. But I assert that both are good, but that one of them does evil by persuading, the other does evil by consenting. And just as the consent of the one is not a nature, so neither is the persuasion of the other; and just as the one, if it does not consent, will remain good, guarding the integrity of its nature, so the other, if it does not persuade, will be more upright; and if it too does not commit the sin which it does not persuade, both would be equally whole and praiseworthy in their own kind. For even if the one sins twice, which both commits and persuades, and the other once, if it only consents to doing evil, still they become evil by sins, they are not evil by nature. Or if that nature is evil because of persuasion, so is the other because of consent. But if persuading seems worse to you than consenting, let the one be evil and the other worse; yet let there not be such respect of persons, such unjust favoritism in judging, that when both sin, though one more gravely and the other more lightly, one is called the nature of evil and the other of good, and not rather either both good, but the one better that sins less, or both evil, but the one worse that sins more.

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine argues from Secundinus's own admission that the soul sins by consenting: both the persuader and the one who consents are good natures made evil by sin, so there is no nature of evil.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray hyphen; stray period; stray periods): male. facere suadendo → male facere suadendo; si. non suadeat. → si non suadeat.; at-que → atque; quamuis una. grauius,. altera → quamuis una grauius, altera; peccat. minus → peccat minus.

Topics: Heresy

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Sec. 18 (CSEL 25.2:931–932; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-secundinum/10/#p-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25, 1891–92); no public-domain English translation exists, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.