Summary of the Collation with the Donatists 3.20–3.32
Latin text: Petschenig, CSEL 53 (Latin text: Michael Petschenig, Breviculus collationis cum Donatistis (CSEL 53, 1910), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887).
Chapter 3
3.20CSEL 53:68–70
Ad haec catholici responderunt etiam ipsos iam fuisse confessos esse in ecclesia uel occultos malos, et uicissim quaesierunt, quomodo eos in ecclesia diabolus seminauerit, quod illi, quasi fieri non posset, de zizaniis requirebant. repetierunt etiam catholici testimonium Cypriani, qui eandem euangelicam similitudinem non aliter intellexit, quam ut in ecclesia diceret esse zizania nec latere, sed cerni. contra quod testimonium illi omnino nihil ausi fuerant respondere, cum auctoritatem Cypriani tanti habeant, ut per illam conentur defendere, quod male de iterando baptismo sentiunt et faciunt. de duabus etiam ecclesiis calumniam eorum catholici refutarunt, identidem expressius ostendentes quid dixerint, id est non eam ecclesiam, quae nunc habet permixtos malos, alienam se dixisse a regno dei ubi non erunt mali commixti, sed eandem ipsam unam et sanctam ecclesiam nunc esse aliter, tunc autem aliter futuram, nunc habere malos mixtos, tunc non habituram; sicut nunc mortalem, quod ex mortalibus constaret hominibus, tunc autem immortalem, quod in ea nullus esset uel corpore moriturus; sicut non ideo duo Christi, quia prior mortuus postea non moriturus. dictum est etiam de homine exteriore et interiore, quae cum sint diuersa, non tamen dici duos homines: quanto minus dici duas ecclesias, cum idem ipsi, qui nunc boni tolerant permixtos malos et resurrecturi moriuntur, tunc nec mixtos malos habituri sint nec omnino morituri! de ipso quoque numero, quoniam Donatistae scripturarum testimonio unam ecclesiam commendauerunt uelut contra duas, quas catholicos affirmasse iactabant, responsum est a catholicis etiam multas ecclesias in scripturis inueniri dictas et septem. ad quas Iohannes scribit, quae tamen multae illius unicae membra esse intellegerentur, ut hinc appareret multo minus sibi debere obici duas, cum eandem ipsam unam dixerint non talem nunc esse, qualis in resurrectione futura esset, quandoquidem apostolicis litteris non obiciantur multae, ex quibus ipsa una constaret. ad haec Donatistae rursus eadem replicare non destiterunt, insuper adicientes et inuidiose iactantes, quod ecclesiam mortalem catholici dixerint, et ideo negantes eam mortalem esse, quia trinitas immortalis est, cuius gratia consecratur ecclesia, et quia Christus ideo pro ea mortuus sit, ut eam faceret immortalem; quasi catholici dixerint non eam fieri immortalem gratia dei et effuso pro ea sanguine saluatoris. sed tempora esse discernenda dixerunt, praesens uidelicet, quo moriuntur omnes sancti, sicut mortuus est ipse Christus, et futurum, quo resurgent et nullo morituro uiuent cum illo qui iam resurrexit.
To this the Catholics answered that the Donatists themselves had already admitted that there are at least hidden bad people in the church, and asked them in turn how the devil sowed these in the church, which the Donatists were asking about the weeds as if it could not happen. The Catholics also repeated the testimony of Cyprian, who understood the same Gospel likeness in no other way than to say that there are weeds in the church, and that they are not hidden but seen. Against this testimony the Donatists had dared to answer nothing at all, though they hold Cyprian’s authority in such esteem that they try to defend by it what they wrongly think and do about repeating baptism. The Catholics also refuted their slander about two churches, showing again more explicitly what they had said: that they had not said that the church which now has the bad mixed in is alien to the kingdom of God, where there will be no bad mixed in; but that the same one holy church is now one way, and will be another way then; now it has the bad mixed in, then it will not; just as now it is mortal, because it consists of mortal people, but then immortal, because in it no one will die even in body; just as there are not two Christs because he who first died will afterward not die. It was also said of the outer and the inner man that, though they are different, they are not called two men: how much less are there said to be two churches, when the very same people who now, being good, tolerate the bad mixed in and die to rise again, will then neither have the bad mixed in nor die at all! On the number too, since the Donatists, with the testimony of the Scriptures, had commended one church as if against the two which they boasted the Catholics had affirmed, the Catholics answered that the Scriptures speak of many churches as well, and of seven, to which John writes, which are yet understood to be members of that one church; so that it appeared that much less should two be charged against them, when they had said that the same one church is not now as it will be at the resurrection, since many churches, of which the one church consists, are not charged against the apostolic writings. To this the Donatists did not stop unrolling the same things again, adding besides and boasting spitefully that the Catholics had called the church mortal, and therefore denying that it is mortal, because the Trinity, by whose grace the church is consecrated, is immortal, and because Christ died for her in order to make her immortal; as if the Catholics had said that she is not made immortal by the grace of God and the Savior’s blood poured out for her. But the Catholics said that the times must be distinguished: the present, in which all the saints die, as Christ himself died, and the future, in which they will rise and live with him who has already risen, with no one to die.
Rev 1:4 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Cor 4:16 (allusion, medium confidence) · Eph 5:25–27 (allusion, low confidence)
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Summary: The Catholics deny teaching two churches: the one church is mixed and mortal now and will be pure and immortal at the resurrection.
- Cyprian on the weeds in the church: Ep. 54.3 (Hartel). The seven churches: Rev 1:4, 11. The outer and inner man: 2 Cor 4:16.
Extrabiblical texts: Cyprian, Ep. 54.3 (Letters; allusion)
Topics: Eschatology, Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.20 (CSEL 53:68–70; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.21CSEL 53:70
Haec inter eos cum agerentur et quamuis manifesta atque dilucida Donatistis certantibus superflua replicarentur, promisit cognitor de his se, quae satis audisset, extrema sententia iudicaturum et iussit illud agi potius, unde extiterit prima causa discidii. tunc Donatistae urgere coeperunt, ut de his quae audisset primitus iudicaret. quod cum etiam catholici exigerent et ille in eo quod dixerat permaneret iuberetque illud agi potius, ut causa primi discidii monstraretur, petierunt catholici, ut quae offerebant recitarentur. quod cum fieri praecepisset, obnixius Donatistae resistere coeperunt et cogere, ut iam de cognitis iudicaret, eadem quae transacta fuerant repetentes et addentes, quod omnino iudicare de illa causa non deberet, quam uolebat agi recitatione eorum, quae a catholicis oblata fuerant recitanda, dicentes huius causae Christum iudicem esse debere et inuidiam facientes catholicis, quod hominem petiuerant iudicem, dicentes etiam solita de persecutionibus, quas perpeti uiderentur. ad hoc catholici responderunt nec de homine iudice postulato eos debere facere inuidiam, qui et de causa Maximianistarum iudicauerunt nec eam Christo iudici seruauerunt et ipsam Caeciliani causam primitus ad hominem, hoc est ad imperatorem Constantinum, accusantes miserunt, nec de persecutionibus, quod aliquid ab imperatoribus pro ecclesia catholici peterent, cum eorum circumcelliones ducibus clericis tam horrenda mala committerent. ubi frustra responderunt nihil hoc ad sacerdotes pertinere, cum clericis ducibus illi talia fecisse asserebantur.
While these things were being argued between them, and, though plain and clear, were needlessly unrolled again by the Donatists in their contention, the commissioner promised that he would judge on these matters, which he had heard enough, in his final sentence, and ordered that the question be dealt with instead from which the first cause of the division arose. Then the Donatists began to press him to judge first on what he had heard. When the Catholics also demanded this, and he held to what he had said and ordered that the other matter be dealt with instead, so that the cause of the first division might be shown, the Catholics asked that what they were offering be read. When he had ordered this done, the Donatists began to resist more stubbornly and to press him to judge now on what he had heard, repeating the same things that had been settled and adding that he ought not to judge at all on the case which he wanted dealt with by reading what the Catholics had offered to be read, saying that Christ ought to be judge of this case, and stirring up ill will against the Catholics because they had asked for a human judge, and saying their usual things about the persecutions they appeared to suffer. To this the Catholics answered that they ought not to stir up ill will about asking for a human judge, they who both judged the case of the Maximianists and did not reserve it for Christ as judge, and who first sent the very case of Caecilian, as accusers, to a man, that is, to the emperor Constantine; nor about persecutions, because the Catholics asked something of the emperors for the church, when their circumcellions, led by clerics, were committing such horrible evils. Here they answered in vain that this had nothing to do with priests, since it was asserted that the circumcellions had done such things under the leadership of clerics.
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Summary: The commissioner turns to the origin of the schism; the Donatists object that only Christ should judge, and the Catholics reply that they themselves first appealed to Constantine.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): extiterit. prima → extiterit prima.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.21 (CSEL 53:70; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.22CSEL 53:70–71
Ibi etiam cum dictum esset, quod calce et aceto humanos oculos persecuti sint, in quo scelere diabolum crudelitate peruicerunt, qui hoc in sancti uiri carne non fecit quam in potestatem acceperat affligendam, hic Donatistae quaesierunt, utrum qui faciunt filii essent diaboli an qui patiuntur; quasi catholici aliud quam passiones suas dixerint immanissimas a clericis et circumcellionibus eorum. uerumtamen etiam hic non praetermiserunt catholici occasione oblata eis Maximianistas obicere et dixerunt secundum eorum sententiam meliores esse Maximianistas, quos apud tres uel eo amplius proconsules persecuti sunt; illi enim si passi sunt, isti fecerunt. et urgebant catholici ut responderent, utrum ex ipsis, quos damnauerunt et persecuti sunt, non susceperint Felicianum et utrum non eum habeant in collegio suo. ad quod illi obiectum sicut semper omnino obmutescentes in aliud ierunt obiciendo catholicis, quod diabolum defendissent, quia dixerant eum sancti Iob oculis pepercisse, unde illum isti crudelitate uicissent. et susceperunt accusare diabolum uelut defensum a catholicis, dicentes eum magis crudeliter in carne Iob oculis pepercisse, ut manerent ad spectaculum uulneris, quod uniuerso corpori inflixerat. quod multum mirum est quare hoc pro magno dicere uoluerint, nisi forte ut intellegerentur pie fecisse, qui oculos in hominibus persecuti sunt, ne cruciarentur uidendo uulnera sua, quae ab eis per totum corpus acceperant.
There too, when it had been said that they had attacked people’s eyes with lime and vinegar, a crime in which they outdid the devil in cruelty, who did not do this to the flesh of a holy man which he had received power to afflict, the Donatists asked here whether those who do such things are sons of the devil or those who suffer them; as if the Catholics had spoken of anything other than their own most savage sufferings at the hands of the Donatists’ clerics and circumcellions. Nevertheless, here too the Catholics, given the opportunity, did not omit to charge the Maximianists against them, and said that by the Donatists’ own judgment the Maximianists were the better, whom they had persecuted before three or more proconsuls; for if the Maximianists suffered, the Donatists did it. And the Catholics pressed them to answer whether they had not received Felician from among those whom they had condemned and persecuted, and whether they did not have him in their college. To this charge, as always, they fell wholly silent and went on to something else, charging the Catholics with having defended the devil, because they had said that he spared holy Job’s eyes, so that in this the Donatists had outdone him in cruelty. And they undertook to accuse the devil as though defended by the Catholics, saying that he spared Job’s eyes in his flesh all the more cruelly, so that they might remain to look at the wound he had inflicted on his whole body. It is very strange why they wished to say this as something great, unless perhaps to be understood to have acted piously, those who attacked men’s eyes, so that they would not be tormented by seeing the wounds they had received from them all over their bodies.
Job 2:6–7 (allusion, high confidence) · John 8:44 (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: The Catholics recall Donatist attacks blinding people with lime and vinegar, worse than the devil’s treatment of Job; the Donatists evade the case of Felician.
- Job 2:6–7: the devil was allowed to strike Job’s body but spare his life.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.22 (CSEL 53:70–71; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.23CSEL 53:71–72
Sed cum iterum Donatistae persecutiones quas patiuntur exaggerantes suorum quasdam mortes commemorarent in oppido Bagaiensi, responsum est a catholicis eos hoc passos esse, dum eorum uiolentiae resisteretur, quam et iudici inferre conati sunt. in illo oppido commemorauerunt catholici ab eis horrenda esse commissa, ita ut etiam basilica esset incensa et in ignem missi codices sancti, mortes autem illorum magis esse ex consuetudine quam habent, ut se ipsi praecipitent. cumque his Donatistae respondentes exaggerarent identidem uelut persecutiones quas paterentur, tamquam ex his fructibus suos aduersarios malam esse arborem iactitantes et petentes identidem, ut de agro et zizaniis et de una et immortali ecclesia iudicaretur, contra autem catholici fructus eorum commemorarent schismata et rebaptizationes et quod ipsi primitus maiores suos apud imperatorem accusassent, atque in huiusmodi mutuis obiectis diu conflictio uersaretur, maluit cognitor haec omnia cohibere, promittens de his iudicium posteriore sententia, et recitari iussit, quod a catholicis oblatum iam legi coeperat et fuerat interruptum. sic peracta est causa ecclesiae, quam magnopere catholici curauerant a Caeciliani causa distinguere, quoniam ei non posset cuiuslibet praeiudicari criminibus, quae contra omnes humanas criminationes tot testimonia diuina meruisset. ex hoc iam coepit agi etiam causa Caeciliani.
But when the Donatists, again magnifying the persecutions they suffer, recalled certain deaths of their own people in the town of Bagai, the Catholics answered that they had suffered this while their violence was being resisted, violence they had even tried to inflict on the judge. In that town, the Catholics recalled, horrible things had been committed by them, so that even a basilica was burned and the holy books thrown into the fire; and their deaths came rather from their habit of throwing themselves down headlong. And when the Donatists, answering this, again magnified the persecutions they suffered, boasting that by these fruits their opponents were a bad tree, and asking again and again that judgment be given about the field and the weeds and the one and immortal church, while the Catholics on the other hand recalled their fruits, schisms and rebaptisms, and that it was they who first accused their forebears before the emperor; and when the conflict turned for a long time on mutual charges of this kind, the commissioner preferred to check all these things, promising judgment on them in his later sentence, and ordered that what the Catholics had offered, which had already begun to be read and had been interrupted, be read. So the case of the church was concluded, which the Catholics had taken great care to distinguish from the case of Caecilian, since it could not be prejudiced by anyone’s crimes, having earned so many divine testimonies against all human accusations. From this point the case of Caecilian also began to be argued.
Matt 7:17–18 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: After charges about the violence at Bagai, the commissioner closes the debate on the church and turns to the case of Caecilian.
- “By their fruits” echoes Matt 7:16–18.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): fructibus. suos → fructibus suos.
Topics: Persecution, Baptism
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.23 (CSEL 53:71–72; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.24CSEL 53:72–73
Quinto ergo loco haec acta sunt. recitatae sunt duae relationes Anullini proconsulis ad Constantinum imperatorem, una quae iam superius erat recitata, qua ostendit maiores Donatistarum, id est de parte Maiorini, dedisse sibi chartas criminum Caeciliani et postulasse Constantino mittendas seque illas memorato imperatori misisse, altera autem, qua ostendit ex eiusdem imperatoris iussione denos ex utraque parte ad agendam causam ut mitterent eos se conuenisse atque illos promisisse facturos. tum deinde lectae sunt etiam litterae supradicti imperatoris ad episcopos datae, ubi eis causam Caeciliani iniunxit audiendam. atque inde ex ordine legi coepit etiam episcopale iudicium Miltiadis Romani episcopi et aliorum cum illo Gallorum et Italorum episcoporum in eadem urbe Romae factum, cuius iudicii prima parte, id est gestis primi diei recitatis, ubi accusatores Caeciliani qui missi fuerant negauerunt se habere quod in eum dicerent, ubi etiam Donatus a Casis Nigris in praesenti conuictus est adhuc diacono Caeciliano schisma fecisse Carthagine — de Carthaginis enim schismate exorta est aduersus ecclesiam catholicam pars Donati —, ubi etiam promiserunt idem aduersarii Caeciliani alio die se praesentaturos, quos causae necessarios subtraxisse arguebantur, et hoc mentiti ulterius ad iudicium accedere noluerunt: hac ergo iudicii parte recitata cum coepisset recitari, quid alio die gestum sit, interruperunt Donatistae et petere instantissime coeperunt, ut prius ea quae offerebant recitarentur, asserentes non esse ordinis, ut prius absolutio Caeciliani quem nondum accusauerant legeretur, et de hoc aliquanto diutius conflixerunt, cum catholici dicerent non debere interrumpi quod legi iam coeperat, donec eiusdem iudicii omnia gesta terminarentur, illi autem e diuerso assererent ea quae interrumpebantur nec incipi debuisse ut legerentur, quoniam non competeret prius defendi hominem quam accusari. ad hoc catholici respondebant, cum causa schismatis a cognitore quaereretur, petisse ut illa legerentur quae oblata fuerant ad legendum, cum ageretur de persona petitoris. duas itaque ob res illa uoluisse recitari, ut appareret eos primitus in hac causa hominem iudicem postulasse, qui faciebant catholicis inuidiam, quod in hac collatione homo cognitor residebat, et ut petitoris persona constaret, et quoniam legi coepta fuerant, non debere interrumpi, sed usque ad finem recitando perduci. inter haec cognitor cum hoc primo uoluisset quod a catholicis petebatur, ut ea quae recitari coeperant finirentur, postea tamen ei Donatistae extorserunt, ut ea quae ipsi offerebant dilatis illis legi permitterentur.
Fifth, then, these things were done. Two reports of the proconsul Anullinus to the emperor Constantine were read: one which had already been read above, in which he showed that the forebears of the Donatists, that is, those of the party of Majorinus, had given him documents of charges against Caecilian and asked that they be sent to Constantine, and that he had sent them to the said emperor; the other, in which he showed that, by order of the same emperor, he had met them so that each side might send ten men to plead the case, and that they had promised to do so. Then there was also read the letter of the said emperor to the bishops, in which he entrusted to them the hearing of Caecilian’s case. And then the episcopal judgment of Miltiades, bishop of Rome, and of the bishops of Gaul and Italy with him, held in the same city of Rome, began to be read in order. Its first part was read, that is, the minutes of the first day: in which the accusers of Caecilian who had been sent said they had nothing to say against him; in which Donatus of Casae Nigrae, in person, was also convicted of having made a schism at Carthage while Caecilian was still a deacon (for it was from the schism of Carthage that the party of Donatus arose against the Catholic Church); in which the same opponents of Caecilian also promised to produce on another day those necessary to the case whom they were charged with having withdrawn, and, having lied in this, refused to come to the judgment any further. When, then, this part of the judgment had been read and the reading began of what was done on another day, the Donatists interrupted and began to ask most insistently that what they were offering be read first, asserting that it was not in order that the acquittal of Caecilian be read first, when they had not yet accused him. On this they fought for a somewhat longer time, the Catholics saying that what had already begun to be read should not be interrupted until all the minutes of that judgment had been finished, and the Donatists on the contrary asserting that what was being interrupted ought not even to have begun to be read, since it was not proper for a man to be defended before he was accused. To this the Catholics answered that, when the cause of the schism was being asked by the commissioner, they had asked that the documents be read which had been offered for reading when the person of the plaintiff was being discussed. They had wanted them read, then, for two reasons: so that it would appear that the Donatists, who were stirring up ill will against the Catholics because a man sat as commissioner at this conference, had themselves first asked for a human judge in this case; and so that the person of the plaintiff might be established; and since they had begun to be read, they ought not to be interrupted but carried through to the end. Meanwhile the commissioner, though at first he had wanted what the Catholics asked, that what had begun to be read be finished, afterward the Donatists wrung it from him that those documents be put off and what they were offering be allowed to be read.
Notes and citation
Summary: Anullinus’s reports, Constantine’s letter, and the Roman council under Miltiades that cleared Caecilian are read, until the Donatists force an interruption.
- Majorinus was the rival bishop of Carthage set up against Caecilian (ca. 311/312); the Roman council under Miltiades met in October 313. Donatus of Casae Nigrae is distinguished from Donatus the Great, bishop of Carthage.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (hyphen left from a line break; period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray punctuation): impera-torem → imperatorem; coeperat. donec → coeperat, donec; respondebant. cum → respondebant, cum; oblata,. fuerant → oblata fuerant.
Topics: Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.24 (CSEL 53:72–73; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.25CSEL 53:73–75
Tunc Donatistae aliquantum praelocuti sunt, quod Mensurius, qui fuerat ante Caecilianum ecclesiae Carthaginiensis episcopus, tempore persecutionis tradiderit persecutoribus sanctas scripturas, et hoc ut probarent, legerunt eius epistulam ad Secundum Tigisitanum datam, qui tunc habebat primatum episcoporum Numidiae. in qua epistula uidebatur Mensurius uelut de suo crimine confiteri, qui tamen non scripserat se sanctos codices tradidisse, sed potius ne a persecutoribus inuenirentur abstulisse atque seruasse, dimisisse autem in basilica Nouorum quaecumque reproba scripta haereticorum, quae cum inuenissent persecutores et abstulissent, nihil ab illo amplius postulasse. uerumtamen quosdam Carthaginiensis ordinis uiros postea suggessisse proconsuli, quod illusi fuerant qui missi erant ad christianorum scripturas auferendas et incendendas, quia non inuenerant nisi nescio quae ad eas non pertinentia, ipsas autem in domo episcopi custodiri, unde deberent proferri et incendi; proconsulem uero ad hoc eis consentire noluisse. in eisdem etiam litteris lectum est eos, qui se offerrent persecutionibus non comprehensi et ultro dicerent se habere scripturas quas non traderent, a quibus hoc nemo quaesierat, displicuisse Mensurio et ab eis honorandis eum prohibuisse christianos. quidam etiam in eadem epistula facinorosi arguebantur et fisci debitores, qui occasione persecutionis uel carere uellent onerosa multis debitis uita uel purgare se putarent et quasi abluere facinora sua uel certe adquirere pecuniam et in custodia deliciis perfrui de obsequio christianorum. crimen tamen Donatistae non ingerebant Mensurio nisi de codicibus traditis; mentitum eum quippe dicebant, quod illi non fuerint codices sancti, et peccatum suum tegere uoluisse, quamuis et ipsam fictionem criminarentur. recitarunt etiam rescripta Secundi Tigisitani ad eundem Mensurium pacifice data, ubi et ipse narrauit in Numidia persecutores quae egerint et qui comprehensi et scripturas sanctas tradere nolentes et multa mala passi et grauissimis suppliciis excruciati et occisi sunt, eosque honorandos pro martyrii sui merito commendauit, laudans eos non tradidisse scripturas sanctas illius mulieris exemplo, quae duos exploratores in Hiericho, in quibus figurarentur duo testamenta, uetus et nouum, tradere persecutoribus noluit. quod quidem exemplum si sub hac figura est intellegendum, Mensurium potius adiuuabat. in suis enim litteris Mensurius reprehendebat eos qui scripturas sanctas, quamuis eas non traderent, se tamen habere faterentur, quod mulier illa non fecit; neque enim eos exploratores qui quaerebantur apud se esse confessa est, sed negauit. scripsit etiam Secundus et ad se ipsum missos a curatore et ordine centurionem et beneficiarium, qui peterent diuinos codices exurendos, eisque respondisse: christianus sum et episcopus, non traditor, et cum ab eo uellent aliqua ecbola aut quodcumque accipere, neque hoc eis dedisse exemplo Eleazari Macchabaei, qui nec fingere uoluit suillam carnem se manducare, ne aliis praeberet praeuaricationis exemplum. hae litterae Mensurii et Secundi donec legendo terminarentur, catholici patienter audierunt, quamuis testati fuerint eas esse familiares nec ad causam ecclesiae pertinere.
Then the Donatists made a somewhat long preface, that Mensurius, who had been bishop of the church of Carthage before Caecilian, had handed over the holy Scriptures to the persecutors in the time of persecution; and to prove this they read his letter to Secundus of Tigisi, who then held the primacy of the bishops of Numidia. In that letter Mensurius seemed as it were to confess his crime; yet he had not written that he had handed over the holy books, but rather that he had taken them away and kept them so that the persecutors would not find them, and had left in the basilica of the Novae whatever rejected writings of the heretics there were; and when the persecutors found and took these away, they asked nothing more of him. Nevertheless, some men of the council of Carthage afterward suggested to the proconsul that those sent to take away and burn the Christians’ Scriptures had been tricked, because they had found only some things or other that had nothing to do with them, while the Scriptures themselves were kept in the bishop’s house, from where they ought to be brought out and burned; but the proconsul refused to agree to this. In the same letter it was also read that those who offered themselves to persecutions without being arrested, and declared of their own accord that they had Scriptures which they would not hand over, though no one had asked them for this, displeased Mensurius, and that he forbade Christians to honor them. Some in the same letter were also charged with being criminals and debtors to the treasury, who on the occasion of persecution wished either to be rid of a life burdened with many debts, or thought to purge themselves and as it were wash away their crimes, or at any rate to gain money and enjoy luxuries in prison from the attentions of Christians. Yet the Donatists brought no charge against Mensurius except about handing over the books; they said he had lied, that those were not holy books, and had wanted to cover his sin, though they also accused the pretense itself. They also read the peaceable reply of Secundus of Tigisi to the same Mensurius, in which he too related what the persecutors had done in Numidia, and who had been arrested and, refusing to hand over the holy Scriptures, had suffered many evils, been tortured with the heaviest punishments, and been killed; and he commended them as to be honored for the merit of their martyrdom, praising them for not handing over the holy Scriptures, after the example of that woman who refused to hand over to the persecutors the two spies in Jericho, in whom were figured the two testaments, the old and the new. If that example is to be understood under this figure, it rather helped Mensurius. For in his letter Mensurius found fault with those who, though they did not hand over the holy Scriptures, yet admitted that they had them, which that woman did not do; for she did not confess that the spies who were being sought were with her, but denied it. Secundus also wrote that a centurion and a police officer had been sent to him too by the curator and the town council, to ask for the divine books to be burned, and that he had answered them, “I am a Christian and a bishop, not a betrayer”; and when they wanted to receive from him some castoffs or anything at all, he did not give them even this, after the example of Eleazar of the Maccabees, who would not even pretend to eat pork, so as not to give others an example of transgression. Until these letters of Mensurius and Secundus were finished being read, the Catholics listened patiently, though they declared that they were private letters and had nothing to do with the case of the church.
Josh 2:1–6 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatists read Mensurius’s letter to Secundus of Tigisi about hiding the Scriptures in persecution and Secundus’s reply, to charge Mensurius with betrayal.
- Rahab and the spies: Josh 2:1–6. Eleazar refusing to pretend to eat pork: 2 Macc 6:18–31. The Donatist charge is reported as theirs. Secundus’s words “I am a Christian and a bishop, not a betrayer” are quoted from his letter.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (n for u)): Mensnrii → Mensurii.
Extrabiblical texts: 2 Macc 6:18-31 (2 Maccabees [in RC, EO canons]; allusion)
Topics: Persecution, Martyrdom, Scripture and canon
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.25 (CSEL 53:73–75; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.26CSEL 53:75–76
Cognitor ergo commonens Donatistas, ut patientiae uicem redderent, iussit perlegi quae oblata a catholicis iam ex parte fuerant recitata. hic Donatistae poposcerunt, ut prius etiam legeretur quod de causa Caeciliani offerebant. hoc quoque sine ulla difficultate catholicis permittentibus et commendantibus, quam patienter hoc permitterent, ut hoc eis et illi rependerent, iussit quod offerebatur cognitor recitari. et recitatum est a Donatistis concilium ferme septuaginta episcoporum contra Caecilianum apud Carthaginem factum, ubi eum absentem damnauerunt, quod ad eos uenire noluerit tamquam a traditoribus ordinatus, et quia, cum esset diaconus, uictum afferri martyribus in custodia constitutis prohibuisse dicebatur. nominati sunt etiam quidam collegae Caeciliani, qui traditores asserebantur publicis gestis, quae tamen gesta non legebantur. inter hos autem maxime Felix Aptugnensis acerbius accusatus est, ita ut fons malorum omnium diceretur. deinde sententiae a singulis dictae sunt, primitus a Secundo Tigisitano, qui eorum princeps fuit, deinde a ceteris, quibus expresserunt se Caeciliano et collegis eius non communicare. hoc itaque concilio recitato catholici responderunt illas litteras Mensurii et Secundi ad inuicem datas satis demonstrare pacatos, nihil postea criminis de facto Mensurii uel accusatum uel iudicatum; concilium uero, quod contra Caecilianum factum legerant, non quidem habere consulem et diem, sed hinc se nullum crimen obicere, quod magis neglegentiae quam fraudis esse potuerit.
So the commissioner, urging the Donatists to repay the Catholics’ patience in kind, ordered that the documents offered by the Catholics, which had already been partly read, be read through. Here the Donatists demanded that what they were offering about the case of Caecilian also be read first. When the Catholics allowed this too without any difficulty and pointed out how patiently they allowed it, so that the Donatists might repay them in kind, the commissioner ordered what was being offered to be read. And the Donatists read the council of about seventy bishops held at Carthage against Caecilian, in which they condemned him in his absence, because he would not come to them, as one ordained by betrayers, and because, when he was a deacon, he was said to have forbidden food to be brought to the martyrs held in prison. Certain colleagues of Caecilian were also named, who were asserted to be betrayers on the basis of public records, though these records were not read. Among them Felix of Abthugni was accused most bitterly, so that he was called the source of all evils. Then the judgments were pronounced one by one, first by Secundus of Tigisi, who was their leader, then by the rest, in which they declared that they were not in communion with Caecilian and his colleagues. When this council had been read, the Catholics answered that the letters of Mensurius and Secundus exchanged with each other showed well enough that they were at peace, and that nothing criminal about Mensurius’s conduct was afterward either charged or judged; but that the council they had read, held against Caecilian, did indeed have no consul and day, though they did not make a crime of this, since it could have come from negligence rather than fraud.
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Summary: The Donatists read the council of seventy bishops at Carthage that condemned Caecilian in absence; the Catholics note that it bears no date.
- The council of Carthage under Secundus (ca. 312) is reported as the Donatist case.
Topics: Church office, Martyrdom
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.26 (CSEL 53:75–76; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.27CSEL 53:76–77
Sed obtulerunt idem catholici aliud concilium sub eodem (Secundo) Tigisitano habitum in ciuitate Cirtensi, cuius consul et dies cum legeretur, Donatistae dixerunt nec consulem nec diem talia solere habere decreta. hic catholici responderunt illorum esse istum forsitan morem, qui concilia sua nollent in aliqua falsitate conuinci, catholicorum autem concilia consules et dies semper habuisse. deinde coepit identidem concilium quod catholici attulerant recitari, ubi Secundus quosdam, de quorum traditione audierat, et singillatim interrogabat et eos confessos a consessu remouebat. quod eo modo recitabatur, ut, cum ex Cirtensi concilio lecta esset confessio traditorum, legeretur etiam de concilio Carthaginiensi nomen eius uelut traditores in Caeciliani causa damnantis. deinde uentum est ad ipsius Secundi Tigisitani a Purpurio Liniatensi crimen obiectum, cui Purpurio idem Secundus occisos ab eo in carcere Milei filios sororis eius obiecerat; ubi ille uicissim ei crimen traditionis obiecit, dicens detentum eum fuisse a curatore et ordine, ut scripturas daret, nec eum potuisse dimitti nisi aliquid tradidisset. hoc autem quod ei obiecit Purpurius, detentum eum fuisse a curatore et ordine, ut scripturas daret, idem Secundus in litteris, quas Mensurio rescripserat, paene confessus est, ubi ait missum ad se fuisse a curatore et ordine centurionem et beneficiarium et a se scripturas petitas uel quaelibet ecbola, quae quidem se non tradidisse dixit; sed cum ipse illic commemorauerit tot martyres, qui cum tradere noluissent excruciati et occisi sunt, quomodo ipse detentus et conuictus et nolens aliquid tradere nihil pati et dimitti potuerit, nec Mensurio scripsit nec Purpurio respondit. non enim centurioni et beneficiario dixit se scripturas non habere, sed respondit se omnino non tradere. quod illi auditum quomodo illo dimisso renuntiare potuerint sine suo exitio, non apparet, praesertim quia idem Secundus non quoslibet infimos, sed etiam patres familias, cum hoc idem persecutoribus respondissent, crudelissimis mortibus dixit occisos. sed de hac re catholici nullum Secundo crimen obiecerunt, sed tantummodo quod ei Purpurius obiecit et propter quod pacem, ne schisma fieret, omnia illa deo dimittens cum traditoribus fecit, recitari uoluerunt, ut quales homines in absentem Caecilianum sententias dixerint appareret.
But the same Catholics offered another council held under the same Secundus of Tigisi in the city of Cirta. When its consul and day were read, the Donatists said that such decrees do not usually have either consul or day. Here the Catholics answered that this was perhaps the custom of those who did not want their councils convicted of any falsehood, but that the councils of the Catholics had always had consuls and days. Then the council that the Catholics had brought began to be read in its turn, in which Secundus questioned one by one certain men of whose betrayal he had heard, and removed from the assembly those who confessed. It was read in such a way that, when the confession of the betrayers had been read from the council of Cirta, the name of the same man was also read from the council of Carthage, as condemning betrayers in the case of Caecilian. Then they came to the charge brought against Secundus of Tigisi himself by Purpurius of Liniata. Secundus had charged this Purpurius with having killed his sister’s sons in prison at Milevis; and Purpurius in turn charged him with the crime of betrayal, saying that he had been detained by the curator and the council to hand over the Scriptures, and could not have been let go unless he had handed something over. Now what Purpurius charged him with, that he had been detained by the curator and the council to hand over the Scriptures, the same Secundus almost confessed in the letter he wrote back to Mensurius, where he says that a centurion and a police officer had been sent to him by the curator and the council and that Scriptures or any castoffs had been asked of him, which indeed he said he did not hand over. But since he himself recalled there so many martyrs who, refusing to hand over, were tortured and killed, how he himself, detained and convicted and unwilling to hand over anything, could suffer nothing and be let go, he neither wrote to Mensurius nor answered Purpurius. For he did not tell the centurion and the police officer that he had no Scriptures, but answered that he would not hand them over at all. How they, having heard this, could report it after letting him go without ruin to themselves does not appear, especially since the same Secundus said that not just any of the lowest people, but even heads of families, when they had given the persecutors this same answer, were killed by the cruelest deaths. But on this matter the Catholics brought no charge against Secundus; they only wished to have read what Purpurius charged against him, and why he made peace with the betrayers to prevent a schism, leaving all that to God, so that it might appear what kind of men they were who pronounced sentences against the absent Caecilian.
Notes and citation
Summary: The Catholics read the council of Cirta, where Secundus pardoned confessed betrayers, and Purpurius’s charge that Secundus himself was a betrayer.
- The council of Cirta (Constantine) is dated in the Catholic record to 305. The editor’s addition “(Secundo)” is translated.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence; stray period in the digital text): traditorum,.legeretur → traditorum, legeretur; dimitti. nisi → dimitti nisi; scripturas daret. idem → scripturas daret, idem.
Topics: Persecution, Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.27 (CSEL 53:76–77; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.28CSEL 53:77–78
Hoc autem recitato petierunt catholici, ut etiam illa quae dilata fuerant legerentur, (inde asserentes posse monstrari, quid de Caeciliano gestum sit quidue sentiendum) de concilio Carthaginiensi, in quo lectum fuerat absentem Caecilianum a multis episcopis fuisse damnatum. (contra Donatistae catholicos urgebant, ut uerum esse faterentur) [hoc] illud concilium, quia catholici recitauerant relationes Anullini proconsulis, quibus appareret chartas criminum Caeciliani Constantino imperatori esse transmissas, quod utique agentes confirmauerunt a maioribus suis Caecilianum apud imperatorem accusatum. responsum est autem a catholicis illud Carthaginiense concilium sic non praeiudicare absenti Caeciliano, quemadmodum non praeiudicauit absenti Primiano concilium eorum, a quibus in Maximiani causa damnatus est, quoniam magis tenuit pars Donati, quod actum est postea pro Primiano, quam illius concilii auctoritatem, quo fuerat ante damnatus; sic ergo et in Caeciliani causa debere attendi quod postea gestum est. hic Donatistae de Maximiani causa coartati dixerunt nec causam causae nec personam praeiudicare personae. quam sententiam in ore habere solent omnes catholici, cum Donatistae aliorum crimina aliis obicientes suam separationem defenderent et orbem christianum nescio quibus Afrorum criminibus accusarent. nam et ista collatione totum quod egerant catholici, ut ecclesiae causam a causa Caeciliani distinguerent, asserentes in ecclesia permixtos malos non obesse bonis nec eos suis maculare peccatis, hoc utique egerant, ut nec causa causae praeiudicaret nec persona personae. quod ab aduersariis, dum aliud ageretur, uoce apertissima confirmatum est. sed cognitor cum quaesisset, quid de Carthaginiensi concilio catholici responderent, iterum responderunt non esse contemnendam similitudinem causae Primiani, quia et dominus Christus Iudaeos de factis eorum conuincens perducebat ad uerum.
When this had been read, the Catholics asked that the documents that had been put off also be read, asserting that from them it could be shown what was done about Caecilian and what ought to be thought of him, in connection with the council of Carthage, in which it had been read that Caecilian in his absence had been condemned by many bishops. Against this the Donatists pressed the Catholics to admit that that council was genuine, since the Catholics had read the reports of the proconsul Anullinus, by which it appeared that documents of charges against Caecilian had been sent to the emperor Constantine; by pleading this, the Catholics had certainly confirmed that Caecilian had been accused before the emperor by the Donatists’ forebears. The Catholics answered that that council of Carthage no more prejudiced the absent Caecilian than the council of those by whom Primian was condemned in the case of Maximian prejudiced the absent Primian; since the party of Donatus held rather to what was done afterward for Primian than to the authority of the council by which he had earlier been condemned; so in the case of Caecilian too, attention ought to be paid to what was done afterward. Here the Donatists, hemmed in by the case of Maximian, said that neither does one case prejudice another case nor one person another person. This is the very maxim that all Catholics are accustomed to have on their lips, when the Donatists, charging the crimes of some against others, defended their separation and accused the Christian world of some African crimes or other. For in this conference too, everything the Catholics had done to distinguish the case of the church from the case of Caecilian, asserting that the bad mixed in the church do not harm the good nor stain them with their sins, they had done precisely so that neither one case should prejudice another case nor one person another person. And this was confirmed by their opponents, while dealing with something else, in the plainest words. But when the commissioner asked what the Catholics answered about the council of Carthage, they answered again that the parallel of Primian’s case should not be despised, since the Lord Christ too, convicting the Jews from their own deeds, led them to the truth.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Notes and citation
Summary: The Catholics argue that the council condemning the absent Caecilian no more binds than the Maximianist council that condemned Primian; the Donatists concede that one person’s case does not prejudice another’s.
- The editor’s additions in round brackets (“inde asserentes … sentiendum” and “contra Donatistae … faterentur”) are translated; the editor deletes “hoc” before “illud concilium”. The Donatist maxim is quoted as theirs.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (period for comma in the digital text, splitting the sentence): aduersariis. dum → aduersariis, dum.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.28 (CSEL 53:77–78; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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3.29CSEL 53:78–79
Deinde Donatistae longa prosecutione agebant, ut ex illius auctoritate Carthaginiensis concilii confirmaretur Caeciliani damnatio, quod ad tot sacerdotes uenire noluerit — quasi non et Primianus ad eos, a quibus damnatus est, cum eorum factionem cognosceret, simili uoluntate non uenerit —, et quod non expectauerit Caecilianus, ut princeps a principe ordinaretur, cum aliud habeat ecclesiae catholicae consuetudo, ut non Numidiae, sed propinquiores episcopi episcopum ecclesiae Carthaginis ordinent, sicut nec Romanae ecclesiae <episcopum) ordinat aliquis episcopus metropolitanus, sed de proximo Ostiensis episcopus. hoc autem dicentes de sua consuetudine, quam nescio quando instituerunt, ecclesiae catholicae praeiudicare conabantur; quae consuetudo si antiqua esset, hoc ipsum obiecissent Caeciliano, quando eum absentem damnauerunt. dixerunt etiam scripsisse Optatum, quod Caecilianus dixerit: (si traditores sunt qui me ordinauerunt, ipsi ueniant et ordinent me. quod quidem si dictum est, ideo dici potuit ad illos irridendos quibus hoc mandasse perhibetur, quoniam certus erat ordinatores suos non esse traditores. non enim ait: (quia traditores sunt, sed: (si traditores sunt, ut innocentia eorum probanda restaret ubi probari recte potuisset.
Then the Donatists argued in a long statement that Caecilian’s condemnation was confirmed by the authority of that council of Carthage, because he refused to come to so many priests (as if Primian too, with a similar will, had not refused to come to those by whom he was condemned, when he knew their faction), and because Caecilian did not wait for the primate to be ordained by a primate; although the custom of the Catholic Church is otherwise, that not the bishops of Numidia but nearer bishops ordain the bishop of the church of Carthage, just as no metropolitan bishop ordains the bishop of the Roman church either, but the neighboring bishop of Ostia. In saying this about their own custom, which they instituted I know not when, they tried to prejudice the Catholic Church; but if that custom were ancient, they would have charged this very thing against Caecilian when they condemned him in his absence. They also said that Optatus had written that Caecilian said, “If those who ordained me are betrayers, let them come and ordain me themselves.” If this was said, it could have been said to mock those to whom he is reported to have sent this message, since he was sure that his ordainers were not betrayers. For he does not say “since they are betrayers” but “if they are betrayers,” so that their innocence remained to be proved where it could rightly be proved.
Notes and citation
Summary: The Donatists argue from the custom that the primate of Numidia ordains the bishop of Carthage, and from Caecilian’s reported words in Optatus.
- Optatus of Milevis, Against Parmenian 1.19, reports Caecilian’s words. The editor’s addition “episcopum” is translated (“the bishop of the Roman church”). The digital text marks the quotations with “(”.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (line-break debris in the digital text): po-, tuisset → potuisset.
Extrabiblical texts: Optatus, Parm. 1.19 (Against Parmenian the Donatist; quotation)
Topics: Church office
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.29 (CSEL 53:78–79; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
3.30CSEL 53:79–80
Ad haec et si qua alia prolixa prosecutione dixerunt, breuiter responderunt catholici non sufficere ad causam Caeciliani Carthaginiense concilium ipsos etiam iudicasse, qui eam ad imperatorem accusando miserunt, et sic demonstrarunt hoc potius esse spectandum, quod res peruenerit usque ad imperatoris sententiam, cui eandem causam mittendam duxerunt. hoc enim catholici instabant, ut omnibus morarum umbraculis amputatis illa potius legerentur, quibus lectis olim causa finita et Caeciliani innocentia manifestata luce clarius appareret. quae Donatistae ut legerentur omnino nolentes quidlibet aliud interponendo impediebant. nam cum cognitor quaesisset, utrum prius esset factum Carthaginiense concilium et postea missa fuerit ad imperatorem causa Caeciliani, dixerunt catholici, quoniam consulem et diem illud concilium non haberet, ad utrumque se respondere: quia, si prius causa ad imperatorem missa est, quo exitu terminata sit spectari oportere, si autem postea, nihilominus non istorum, sed illius iudicium esse quaerendum, quo eam post iudicium suum mittendam putarunt. sed cum multa Donatistae insererent de consule et die, cur in suorum maiorum concilio non legeretur, ne hinc falsitatis arguerentur, et assererent hanc esse ecclesiasticam consuetudinem, ne dies et consules decretis episcoporum conscriberentur, legi uolentes etiam concilium Cypriani, ut hoc probarent, quia nihil aliud nisi morae quaerebantur — neque enim catholici in eo causam suam constituerant quando ad utrumque responderant, siue prius siue posterius esset illud concilium, quod contra Caecilianum apud Carthaginem fecerant —, iussit cognitor catholicis instantibus, ut ista potius quae dilata fuerant legerentur.
To this and whatever else they said in a long statement, the Catholics answered briefly that the council of Carthage was not enough for Caecilian’s case even in the judgment of the Donatists themselves, who sent the case to the emperor as accusers; and so they showed that the thing to look at was rather that the matter came all the way to the sentence of the emperor, to whom they thought fit to send the same case. For this is what the Catholics were urging: that, all shady devices of delay being cut away, those documents should rather be read, by whose reading the case long ago finished and Caecilian’s innocence would appear clearer than daylight. The Donatists, wholly unwilling that these be read, hindered it by interposing anything else at all. For when the commissioner asked whether the council of Carthage had been held first and the case of Caecilian sent to the emperor afterward, the Catholics said that, since that council had no consul and day, they would answer for both possibilities: if the case was sent to the emperor first, one should look at its outcome; but if afterward, then nonetheless it was not the Donatists’ judgment but the emperor’s that was to be sought, to whom they thought it should be sent after their own judgment. But when the Donatists put in much about the consul and day, why they were not read in their forebears’ council, so as not to be charged with falsehood on this ground, and asserted that it was the custom of the church that days and consuls were not written on the decrees of bishops, wishing even the council of Cyprian to be read to prove this, since nothing but delays was being sought (for the Catholics had not rested their case on this when they had answered for both possibilities, whether that council which the Donatists had held against Caecilian at Carthage was earlier or later), the commissioner, at the Catholics’ urging, ordered that the documents that had been put off be read instead.
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Summary: The Catholics answer that whatever the date of the Carthaginian council, the Donatists themselves sent the case to the emperor, whose verdict decides; the commissioner orders the deferred documents read.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.30 (CSEL 53:79–80; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
3.31CSEL 53:80–81
Tunc Donatistae aliam quaestionem interposuerunt morarum plenissimam, sed re uera in qua pro se laborare uoluerunt, si possent ostendere quod uolebant, illud scilicet Cirtense concilium falsum esse, ubi lectae fuerant confessiones traditorum inuicem sibi ignoscentium, ne schisma fieret, quia ipsi legebantur inter ceteros contra Caecilianum absentem sententias protulisse. hoc ergo falsum demonstrare conantes multa dixerunt, sed alia leuia esse ipsi iudicantes duo quaedam in ea quaestione multum commendauerunt et in eis multum immorati sunt: unum, quia contra ecclesiasticam consuetudinem ipsum Cirtense concilium diem et consulem haberet, alterum autem, quod persecutionis tempore non posset concilium congregari. exigebant ergo Donatistae a catholicis, ut uel alia concilia proferrent antiqua episcoporum, ubi ostenderent consules et dies etiam conscriptos, uel de ipsis sanctis scripturis tale aliquid recitarent. ubi catholici cum uiderent de re inanissima moras mirabiles et inexplicabiles interponi — quis enim eos hinc falsitatem crederet obiecturos, ubi ad maiorem diligentiam temporum attestatio praenotata legeretur, ne forte per hanc esset aliquando necessaria indagatio ueritatis? quis ergo eos crederet hoc obiecturos, ut praepararet antiqua concilia, quibus hanc consuetudinem demonstraret? aut quis tunc iret et uetusta ecclesiastica archiua reuolueret? —, cum hoc uiderent catholici, et in Miltiadis concilio diem et consulem demonstrabant et de ipsis sanctis scripturis commemorauerunt prophetas indicia antiquissimorum temporum suis litteris praenotasse, quoto anno cuius regis, quoto mense anni, quoto die mensis factum esset super eos uerbum domini. cognitor autem illud de die et consule obiectum contemnendum et remouendum existimans iussit gesta apud Miltiadem habita cetera recitari, et recitata sunt. quibus apparuit omnium qui tunc consederant episcoporum sententiis et ipsius Miltiadis Caecilianum absolutum atque purgatum, Donatum uero damnatum, qui praesens in prima fuerat actione conuictus, ille ille a Casis Nigris, quem praesentem fuisse tunc constitit.
Then the Donatists brought in another question, full of delays, but one in which they really wished to labor on their own behalf, if they could show what they wanted: namely, that the council of Cirta was false, in which had been read the confessions of betrayers pardoning one another so that there would be no schism, because they were read as being among those who had pronounced sentences against the absent Caecilian. Trying to show it false, then, they said many things; but judging the others light themselves, they pressed two points especially in this question and dwelt on them at length: one, that the council of Cirta had a day and consul, contrary to the custom of the church; the other, that a council could not be assembled in time of persecution. So the Donatists demanded of the Catholics that they either produce other ancient councils of bishops in which they could show consuls and days written down as well, or read something of the kind from the holy Scriptures themselves. Here the Catholics saw that amazing and endless delays were being introduced about a most empty matter. For who would believe that they would charge falsehood on this ground, where a dating of the time was read, written at the head for greater care, in case an inquiry into the truth should some day need it? Who, then, would believe they would charge this, so that one should prepare ancient councils by which to demonstrate this custom? Or who would go then and turn over the old archives of the church? Seeing this, the Catholics both showed the day and consul in the council of Miltiades and recalled from the holy Scriptures themselves that the prophets wrote at the head of their writings indications of the most ancient times: in what year of what king, in what month of the year, on what day of the month the word of the Lord came upon them. The commissioner, judging that objection about the day and consul to be disregarded and set aside, ordered the rest of the minutes held before Miltiades to be read, and they were read. From them it appeared that by the sentences of all the bishops then sitting, and of Miltiades himself, Caecilian was acquitted and cleared, and Donatus condemned, who had been convicted in person in the first session, that Donatus, the one of Casae Nigrae, who was established to have been present then.
Ezek 1:1–2 (allusion, medium confidence) · Hag 1:1 (allusion, medium confidence) · Zech 1:1 (allusion, low confidence)
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Summary: The Donatists attack the council of Cirta as forged because it is dated and because no council could meet in persecution; the minutes of Miltiades’ council clearing Caecilian are read in full.
- Prophetic datings such as Ezek 1:1–2; Hag 1:1; Zech 1:1.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (a for u)): Donatum uero damnatam → Donatum uero damnatum.
Topics: Persecution
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.31 (CSEL 53:80–81; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.
3.32CSEL 53:81–83
Sed hoc recitato cum quaereretur a Donatistis, quid responderent ad illud Cirtense concilium, eo redierunt conantes falsum esse monstrare, cum dixerunt tempore persecutionis congregari non potuisse concilium. quod cognitor non contempsit et ualidum existimans a catholicis responsionem poposcit atque inter haec quaesiuit, unde probaretur tempus fuisse persecutionis. tunc Donatistae protulerunt martyrum gesta, ubi auditi et pro confessione passi sunt. iussit etiam cognitor computare officium et renuntiare consideratis utrisque consulibus et diebus, et qui de concilio Cirtensi et qui de gestis martyrum legebantur, quia dictum fuerat a catholicis post illorum martyrum passionem, unde persecutionis tempus probabatur, prope annum consecutum fuisse usque ad consulem et diem concilii Cirtensis. responsio autem computantis officii mensem interfuisse suggesserat. uoluerunt ergo catholici de tabulis tolli quod dixerant, ut hoc solum gesta retinerent quod officium responderat — hoc enim uerius esse crediderant —, sed Donatistae quod a catholicis dictum erat noluerunt de tabulis tolli, unde catholici non contenderunt, ut eorum in hoc calumniosus animus appareret. porro autem illud erat uerius quod catholici dixerant, officium autem in computando errans falsum renuntiauerat, quod postea conscripta et diligentius considerata gesta docuerunt, sicut potest probare quem libuerit legere et non piguerit computare. nam gesta martyrum, quibus ostendebatur tempus persecutionis, consulibus facta sunt Diocletiano nouies et Maximiano octies pridie Idus Februarias, gesta autem episcopalia decreti Cirtensis post eorundem consulatum tertio Nonas Martias, ac per hoc tredecim menses interesse inueniuntur, plures utique quam undecim, quos prius catholici minus diligenter computando responderant; sed officium ut falleretur et mensem interesse responderet, eundem consulatum putauit, post consulatum autem non aduertit, ubi annus iam alius agebatur. proinde catholici tamquam ex uera officii responsione cogebantur ostendere tempore persecutionis illos undecim uel duodecim episcopos in domum priuatam conuenire potuisse, Donatistis instantibus, ut hoc ex aliis conciliis ostenderent, si aliquo tempore persecutionis facta episcoporum concilia reperire potuissent. quod catholici quoniam tunc inquirere et ad horam ueteres chartas in archiuis ecclesiasticis discutere non poterant, respondebant multo facilius duodecim homines in domum conuenire potuisse eo tempore, quo etiam congregationes plebium fieri solebant quamuis persecutione feruente, sicut ipsis gestis martyrum monstrabatur, qui confitebantur in passionibus suis se collectam et dominicum egisse. hoc autem catholici dixerant et antequam supputaret et responderet officium. dictum est etiam a catholicis episcopalia gesta illa Cirtensia, quae diligentia maiorum usque ad haec tempora seruari et inueniri potuerint, sic habenda, quemadmodum illae epistulae Mensurii et Secundi quas Donatistae recitauerunt. concilium quippe Carthaginiense, ubi absentem Caecilianum septuaginta damnauerunt, commemoratum est etiam a Miltiade habitum, ubi Caecilianus est absolutus. litterae uero illae Mensurii et Secundi nusquam alibi commemoratae dicebantur, unde nullo alio testimonio ueritas earum asserebatur, nec tamen ideo dicebant catholici falsas esse. dictum est etiam hoc a catholicis, ut probarent Donatistae, si possent, tempore persecutionis sic ad se inuicem scripsisse episcopos, quemadmodum Mensurium et Secundum scripsisse proferebant. quod non ideo dicebant catholici, ut hinc illas Mensurii et Secundi litteras falsas esse monstrarent, quae seu uerae seu falsae essent causae nihil officerent, sed ut hinc intellegerent Donatistae, quam uana tergiuersatione catholicos cogerent alia proferre concilia persecutionis tempore congregata, quia, si eis simili obstinatione diceretur: proferte et uos alias epistulas persecutionis tempore sic scriptas et missas, quae si aliquo modo deprehenderentur et codices occultati exigi possent, et ordo et curator et centurio et beneficiarius ad discrimen capitis peruenirent, qui Secundum tradere nolentem impunitum dimisisse prodebantur, nullo modo ad horam reperirent alias epistulas tempore persecutionis ab episcopis ad episcopos in tam longinqua terrarum similiter datas.
But when this had been read and the Donatists were asked what they answered about the council of Cirta, they went back to trying to show it false, saying that a council could not have been assembled in time of persecution. The commissioner did not disregard this, but, thinking it weighty, demanded an answer from the Catholics, and meanwhile asked how it was proved that it was a time of persecution. Then the Donatists produced acts of martyrs in which they were heard and suffered for their confession. The commissioner also ordered the staff to calculate and report, considering both consuls and days, those read in the council of Cirta and those in the acts of the martyrs; because the Catholics had said that after the suffering of those martyrs, by which the time of persecution was proved, nearly a year followed until the consul and day of the council of Cirta. But the reply of the staff who calculated had suggested that a month lay between. So the Catholics wanted what they had said removed from the tablets, so that the minutes would keep only what the staff had answered (for they believed this was more accurate); but the Donatists would not have what the Catholics had said removed from the tablets, and the Catholics did not contend, so that the Donatists’ slanderous spirit in this might appear. In fact, what the Catholics had said was the more accurate, and the staff, erring in their calculation, had reported falsely, as the minutes, written out and more carefully considered afterward, showed, as anyone can prove who cares to read and does not mind calculating. For the acts of the martyrs by which the time of persecution was shown were made when Diocletian was consul for the ninth time and Maximian for the eighth, on the day before the Ides of February; but the episcopal minutes of the decree of Cirta after their consulship, on the third day before the Nones of March; and so thirteen months are found to lie between, more indeed than the eleven which the Catholics had first answered by calculating less carefully. But the staff, in order to be deceived and answer that a month lay between, took it as the same consulship, and did not notice “after the consulship,” when another year was already running. So the Catholics, as if from a true answer of the staff, were forced to show that in time of persecution those eleven or twelve bishops could have met in a private house, the Donatists pressing them to show this from other councils, if they could find councils of bishops held at any time of persecution. Since the Catholics could not then search for these and examine old papers in the church archives on the spot, they answered that twelve men could much more easily have met in a house at a time when even assemblies of the congregations were customarily held, though persecution was raging, as was shown by the very acts of the martyrs, who confessed in their sufferings that they had held the assembly and the Lord’s supper. The Catholics had said this even before the staff calculated and answered. The Catholics also said that those episcopal minutes of Cirta, which the care of their forebears had been able to preserve and find down to these times, should be treated just like those letters of Mensurius and Secundus which the Donatists had read. For the council of Carthage, in which seventy condemned the absent Caecilian, was recalled even in the council held by Miltiades, in which Caecilian was acquitted. But those letters of Mensurius and Secundus were said to be mentioned nowhere else, so that their truth was asserted by no other testimony; and yet the Catholics did not therefore say they were false. The Catholics also said this, that the Donatists should prove, if they could, that in time of persecution bishops wrote to each other as they alleged Mensurius and Secundus had written. The Catholics said this not to show from it that those letters of Mensurius and Secundus were false, which, true or false, did the case no harm, but so that the Donatists might understand from it with what empty evasion they were forcing the Catholics to produce other councils assembled in time of persecution. For if it were said to them with similar obstinacy, “You too produce other letters written and sent in this way in time of persecution” (letters which, if somehow detected, would allow the hidden books to be demanded, and would bring to peril of their lives the council, the curator, the centurion, and the police officer who were reported to have let Secundus go unpunished when he refused to hand them over), they would in no way find on the spot other letters given in a similar way in time of persecution by bishops to bishops in lands so far apart.
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Summary: A dispute over dating the council of Cirta: the staff miscalculate, and the Catholics argue that a few bishops could meet in a house during persecution, as congregations did.
- The consulship of Diocletian IX and Maximian VIII is 304; “after their consulship” is 305. The martyrs’ acts are those of the martyrs of Abitina, who confessed holding the “collecta” and the “dominicum” (the Lord’s supper).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip (g for e); line-break debris in the digital text): grgo → ergo; per-. secutionis → persecutionis.
Topics: Persecution, Martyrdom, Eucharist
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Brev. coll. 3.32 (CSEL 53:81–83; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/augustine-breviculus-collationis/3-32
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Petschenig, CSEL 53 (1910) (digital text; corrections logged). No public-domain English translation exists and no FOTC volume covers this work, so each batch was re-read against the Latin.