Oration I Against the Arians 21–31

Greek text: Bright (Greek text: William Bright, The Orations of St. Athanasius against the Arians (Oxford: Clarendon, 1884), digitized by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 2, vol. 4 (1892).

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Chapter 21

21Bright, 22–23

21. Φέρε τοίνυν, ἴδωμεν τὰ τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἵνα καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα ἐπιγνῶμεν, εἰ αὐτοῦ ἐστιν. Ἀΐδιός ἐστιν ὁ Πατὴρ, ἀθάνατος, δυνατὸς, φῶς, βασιλεὺς, παντοκράτωρ, Θεὸς, Κύριος, κτίστης, καὶ ποιητής. Ταῦτα εἶναι δεῖ ἐν τῇ εἰκόνι, ἵνα ἀληθῶς ‘ ὁ τὸν Υἱὸν ἑωρακὼς ἴδῃ τὸν Πατέρα.’ Εἰ δὲ μὴ οὕτως ἐστὶν, ἀλλʼ ὡς οἱ Ἀρειανοὶ φρονοῦσιν, γενητός ἐστι, καὶ οὐκ ἀΐδιος ὁ Υἱὸς, οὐκ ἔστιν αὕτη τοῦ Πατρὸς ἀληθὴς εἰκὼν, εἰ μὴ ἄρα λοιπὸν ἀπερυθριάσαντες εἴπωσιν, ὅτι καὶ τὸ ‘εἰκόναʼ λέγεσθαι τὸν Υἱὸν οὐχ ὁμοίας οὐσίας ἐστὶ γνώρισμα, ὄνομα δὲ μόνον ἐστὶν αὐτοῦ, Ἀλλὰ τοῦτο πάλιν, ὦ Χριστομάχοι, οὐκ ἔστιν εἰκὼν, οὐδὲ χαρακτήρ. Ποία γὰρ ἐμφέρεια τῶν ἐξ οὐκ ὄντων πρὸς τὸν κτίσαντα τὰ οὐκ ὄντα εἰς τὸ εἶναι; ἢ πῶς τῷ ὄντι τὸ οὐκ ἂν ὅμοιον εἶναι δύναται, λειπόμενον τῷ ποτε μὴ εἶναι, καὶ τῷ πρὸς τὰ γενόμενα τὴν σύνταξιν ἔχειν; Τοιοῦτον γὰρ αὐτὸν εἶναι θέλοντες οἱ Ἀρειανοὶ, λογισμοὺς ἑαυτοῖς ἐπενόησαν, λέγοντες· ‘ Εἰ γέννημά ἐστιν ὁ Υἱὸς τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ εἰκὼν, καὶ ὅμοιός ἐστι κατὰ πάντα τοῦ Πατρὸς, ὀφείλει πάντως, ὥσπερ γεγέννηται, γεννᾷν καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς, καὶ γίνεσθαι καὶ αὐτὸς πατὴρ υἱοῦ· πάλιν τε ὁ ἐξ αὐτοῦ γεννώμενος γεννᾷν καὶ αὐτὸς, καὶ καθεξῆς ἕως εἰς ἄπειρον· τοῦτο γὰρ ὅμοιον δείκνυσι τὸν γεννηθέντα τοῦ γεννήσαντος, ᾿ Ἐφευρεταὶ δυσφημιῶν ἀληθῶς οἱ θεομάχοι, οἵτινες, ἵνα μὴ τὸν Υἱὸν εἰκόνα τοῦ Πατρὸς ὁμολογήσωσι, σωματικὰ καὶ γήϊνα περὶ αὐτοῦ τοῦ Πατρὸς φρονοῦσι, τομὰς καὶ ἀποῤῥοίας καὶ ἐπιῤῥοίας κατηγοροῦντες κατʼ αὐτοῦ. Εἰ μὲν οὖν ὡς ἄνθρωπός ἐστιν ὁ Θεὸς, γινέσθω καὶ γεννητὴς, ὡς ἄνθρωπος, ἵνα καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς ἑτέρου γίνηται πατὴρ, καὶ οὕτω καθεξῆς ἐξ ἀλλήλων γινέσθωσαν, ἵνα καὶ εἰς πλῆθος θεῶν ἡ διαδοχὴ κατʼ αὐτοὺς αὐξάνῃ· εἰ δὲ ‘οὐκ ἔστιν ὡς ἄνθρωπος ὁ Θεός·᾿ (οὐκ ἔστι γάρ·) οὐ δεῖ τὰ ἀνθρώπων ἐπʼ αὐτοῦ λογίζεσθαι. Τὰ μὲν γὰρ ἄλογα ζῶα καὶ οἱ ἄνθρωποι ἐκ δημιουργικῆς ἀρχῆς κατὰ διαδοχῆς ἀλλήλων γεννῶνται· καὶ ὁ γεννώμενος, ἐκ γεννωμένου πατρὸς γεννηθεὶς, εἰκότως καὶ αὐτὸς ἑτέρου γίνεται πατὴρ, ἔχων ἐκ πατρὸς ἐν ἑαυτῷ τοῦτο, ἐξ οὗ καὶ αὐτὸς γέγονε. Διὸ οὐδέ ἐστιν ἐν τοῖς τοιούτοις κυρίῳς ‘ πατὴῤ καὶ κυρίως ‘ υἱὸς, ʼ οὐδὲ ἕστηκεν ἐπʼ αὐτῶν τὸ ‘ πατὴρʼ καὶ τὸ ‘ υἱός· ’ ὁ γὰρ αὐτὸς υἱὸς μὲν τοῦ γεννήσαντος, πατὴρ δὲ τοῦ γεννωμένου ἐξ αὐτοῦ. Ἐπὶ δὲ τῆς θεότητος οὐκ ἔστιν οὕτως· οὐ γὰρ ὡς ἄνθρωπος ὁ Θεός· οὔτε γὰρ ὁ Πατὴρ ἐκ πατρός ἐστι· διὸ οὐδὲ γεννᾷ τὸν γεννησόμενον πατέρα· οὔτε ὁ Υἱὸς ἐξ ἀποῤῥοίας ἐστὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς, οὐδὲ ἐκ γεννηθέντος Πατρὸς γεγέννηται· διὸ οὐδὲ γεγέννηται εἰς τὸ γεννᾷν. Ὅθεν ἐπὶ τῆς θεότητος μόνης ὁ ‘πατὴρʼ κυρίως πατήρ ἐστι, καὶ ὁ ‘υἱὸς κυρίως υἱός ἐστι, καὶ ἐπὶ τούτων καὶ μόνων ἕστηκε τὸ πατὴρ ἀεὶ πατὴρ εἶναι, καὶ τὸ υἱὸς ἀεὶ υἱὸς εἶναι.

21. Phere toinyn, idōmen ta tou Patros, hina kai tēn eikona epignōmen, ei autou estin. Aïdios estin ho Patēr, athanatos, dynatos, phōs, basileus, pantokratōr, Theos, Kyrios, ktistēs, kai poiētēs. Tauta einai dei en tę̄ eikoni, hina alēthōs ‘ ho ton Huion heōrakōs idę̄ ton Patera.’ Ei de mē houtōs estin, allʼ hōs hoi Areianoi phronousin, genētos esti, kai ouk aïdios ho Huios, ouk estin hautē tou Patros alēthēs eikōn, ei mē ara loipon aperythriasantes eipōsin, hoti kai to ‘eikonaʼ legesthai ton Huion ouch homoias ousias esti gnōrisma, onoma de monon estin autou, Alla touto palin, ō Christomachoi, ouk estin eikōn, oude charaktēr. Poia gar emphereia tōn ex ouk ontōn pros ton ktisanta ta ouk onta eis to einai? ē pōs tǭ onti to ouk an homoion einai dynatai, leipomenon tǭ pote mē einai, kai tǭ pros ta genomena tēn syntaxin echein? Toiouton gar auton einai thelontes hoi Areianoi, logismous heautois epenoēsan, legontes; ‘ Ei gennēma estin ho Huios tou Patros kai eikōn, kai homoios esti kata panta tou Patros, opheilei pantōs, hōsper gegennētai, gennąn kai ho Huios, kai ginesthai kai autos patēr huiou; palin te ho ex autou gennōmenos gennąn kai autos, kai kathexēs heōs eis apeiron; touto gar homoion deiknysi ton gennēthenta tou gennēsantos, ᾿ Epheuretai dysphēmiōn alēthōs hoi theomachoi, hoitines, hina mē ton Huion eikona tou Patros homologēsōsi, sōmatika kai gēïna peri autou tou Patros phronousi, tomas kai aporrhoias kai epirrhoias katēgorountes katʼ autou. Ei men oun hōs anthrōpos estin ho Theos, ginesthō kai gennētēs, hōs anthrōpos, hina kai ho Huios heterou ginētai patēr, kai houtō kathexēs ex allēlōn ginesthōsan, hina kai eis plēthos theōn hē diadochē katʼ autous auxanę̄; ei de ‘ouk estin hōs anthrōpos ho Theos;᾿ (ouk esti gar;) ou dei ta anthrōpōn epʼ autou logizesthai. Ta men gar aloga zōa kai hoi anthrōpoi ek dēmiourgikēs archēs kata diadochēs allēlōn gennōntai; kai ho gennōmenos, ek gennōmenou patros gennētheis, eikotōs kai autos heterou ginetai patēr, echōn ek patros en heautǭ touto, ex hou kai autos gegone. Dio oude estin en tois toioutois kyriǭs ‘ patēr kai kyriōs ‘ huios, ʼ oude hestēken epʼ autōn to ‘ patērʼ kai to ‘ huios; ’ ho gar autos huios men tou gennēsantos, patēr de tou gennōmenou ex autou. Epi de tēs theotētos ouk estin houtōs; ou gar hōs anthrōpos ho Theos; oute gar ho Patēr ek patros esti; dio oude genną ton gennēsomenon patera; oute ho Huios ex aporrhoias esti tou Patros, oude ek gennēthentos Patros gegennētai; dio oude gegennētai eis to gennąn. Hothen epi tēs theotētos monēs ho ‘patērʼ kyriōs patēr esti, kai ho ‘huios kyriōs huios esti, kai epi toutōn kai monōn hestēke to patēr aei patēr einai, kai to huios aei huios einai.

21. Come, then, let us look at the attributes of the Father, so that we may recognize whether the image is really his. The Father is eternal, immortal, powerful, light, king, almighty, God, Lord, creator, and maker. These must be in the image, so that truly “whoever has seen” the Son “may see the Father.” But if it is not so, but, as the Arians think, the Son is originated and not eternal, this is not a true image of the Father; unless, then, they put away all shame and say that his being called “image” is not a mark of a like substance, but is only his name. But that, again, you enemies of Christ, is not an image nor an exact imprint. For what resemblance is there between things from nothing and him who created the things that were not into being? Or how can what is not be like him who is, falling short of him in having once not been, and in being ranked with the things that came to be? For since the Arians want him to be such, they have devised arguments for themselves, saying: “If the Son is the Father's offspring and image, and is like the Father in all things, then just as he was begotten, the Son also ought by all means to beget and become himself father of a son; and in turn the one begotten from him ought also to beget, and so on to infinity; for this is what shows the begotten to be like the begetter.” Inventors of blasphemies indeed are these fighters against God! In order not to confess the Son as the Father's image, they think bodily and earthly things about the Father himself, charging him with cuttings, outflowings, and inflowings. If, then, God is like a man, let him also be a begetter as a man is, so that the Son may become father of another, and so on in succession from one another, so that, on their view, the succession may grow into a multitude of gods. But if “God is not like a man” (and he is not), we must not reckon the things of men in his case. For irrational animals and men, after a creative beginning, are begotten by succession from one another; and the one begotten, having been begotten from a father who was himself begotten, naturally becomes father of another in turn, having in himself from his father that by which he himself came to be. Therefore among such beings there is not properly “father” and properly “son,” nor do “father” and “son” remain fixed in them; for the same person is son of the one who begot him and father of the one begotten from him. But in the Godhead it is not so; for God is not like a man. For the Father is not from a father, so he does not beget one who will become a father; nor is the Son from an outflowing of the Father, nor has he been begotten from a Father who was begotten, so he has not been begotten in order to beget. Hence in the Godhead alone the “Father” is properly father, and the “Son” properly son; and in them, and in them alone, it holds fast that the Father is always Father and the Son always Son.

John 14:9 (quotation, high confidence) · Num 23:19 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius answers the Arian argument that a true image of the Father would have to beget a son in turn: in God alone the Father is always Father and the Son always Son.

  • “Cuttings, outflowings, and inflowings” are materialist images of generation that Athanasius rejects; the Arians charged that “from the substance” implied them. “God is not like a man” echoes Num 23:19 (LXX) and Jdt 8:16.

Extrabiblical texts: Jdt 8:16 (Judith [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; allusion)

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 21 (Bright, 22–23; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.

Chapter 22

22Bright, 23–24

22. Οὐκοῦν ὁ ζητῶν διὰ τί μὴ γεννητικὸς υἱοῦ ὁ Υἱὸς, ζητείτω διὰ τί μὴ πατέρα ἔσχεν ὁ Πατήρ. Ἀλλὰ ἄτοπά γε ἀμφότερα καὶ πάσης μεστὰ ἀσεβείας. Ὡς γὰρ ὁ Πατὴρ ἀεὶ Πατὴρ, καὶ οὐκ ἄν ποτε γένοιτο Υἱὸς, οὕτως ὁ Υἱὸς ἀεὶ Υἱός ἐστι, καὶ οὐκ ἄν ποτε γένοιτο Πατήρ· καὶ ἐν τούτῳ γὰρ μᾶλλον χαρακτὴρ ὢν καὶ εἰκὼν τοῦ Πατρὸς δείκνυται, μένων ὅ ἐστι καὶ οὐκ ἀλλασσόμενος, ἀλλʼ ἔχων ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς τὴν ταὐτότητα. Εἰ μὲν οὖν ὁ Πατὴρ μεταβάλλεται, μεταβαλλέσθω καὶ ἡ εἰκών· πρὸς γὰρ τὸν γεννήσαντα οὕτω καὶ ἡ εἰκὼν αὐτοῦ καὶ τό ἀπαύγασμα ἕστηκεν· εἰ δὲ ἄτρεπτός ἐστιν ὁ Πατὴρ, καὶ ὅ ἐστιν οὕτως διαμένει, ἐξ ἀνάγκης καὶ εἰκὼν ὅ ἐστι διαμένει, καὶ οὐ τραπήσεται. Ἔστι δὲ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς Υἱός· οὐκ ἄρα ἕτερόν τι γενήσεται ἢ ὅπερ ἐστὶ τῆς τοῦ Πατρὸς οὐσίας ἴδιον. Μάτην ἄρα καὶ τοῦτο ἐπενόησαν οἱ ἄφρονες, ἐξάραι θέλοντες ἀπὸ τοῦ Πατρὸς τὴν εἰκόνα, ἵνα τοῖς γενητοῖς τὸν Υἱὸν ἐξισάσωσιν. Ἐν τούτοις γοῦν αὐτὸν συντάττοντες οἱ περὶ Ἄρειον ἐκ διδασκαλίας Εὐσεβίου, καὶ τοιοῦτον εἶναι νομίζοντες οἴα τὰ διʼ αὐτοῦ γενόμενά ἐστιν, ἀπεπήδησαν μὲν ἀπὸ τῆς ἀληθείας, συμφορήσαντες δὲ ἑαυτοῖς ῥημάτια πανουργίας, περιήρχοντο κατὰ τὴν ἀρχὴν, ὅτε τὴν αἵρεσιν ταύτην ἔπλασσον, καὶ μέχρι δὲ νῦν τινες συναντῶντες ἐξ αὐτῶν παιδαρίοις κατὰ τὴν ἀγορὰν, πυνθάνονται αὐτῶν, οὔτι γε ἀπὸ τῶν θείων γραφῶν, ἀλλʼ ὥσπερ ‘ τὰ περισσεύματα τῆς καρδίαςʼ αὐτῶν ἐρευγόμενοι λέγουσιν· ‘ Ὁ ὢν τὸν μὴ ὄντα ἐκ τοῦ ὄντος πεποίηκεν, ἢ τὸν ὄντα; ὄντα οὖν αὐτὸν πεποίηκεν, ἢ μὴ ὄντα Καὶ πάλιν, ‘Ἓν τὸ ἀγέννητον, ἢ δύο; καὶ αὐτεξούσιός ἐστι καὶ ἰδίᾳ προαιρέσει οὐ τρέπεται, τρεπτῆς ὢν φύσεως; οὐ γὰρ, ὡς λίθος, ἐστὶν ἀφʼ ἑαυτοῦ μένων ἀκίνητος.᾿ Εἶτα καὶ εἰσερχόμενοι πρὸς γυναικάρια, πάλιν αὐταῖς ἐκτεθηλυμένα ῥημάτια φθέγγονται, ‘ Εἰ εἶχες υἱὸν πρὶν τέκῃς; ὥσπερ δὲ οὐκ εἶχες, οὕτω καὶ ὁ τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱὸς οὐκ ἦν, πρὶν γεννηθῇ. Τοιούτοις ῥήμασιν ἐξορχούμενοι παίζουσιν οἱ ἄτιμοι, καὶ τὸν Θεὸν ἀνθρώποις ἀπεικάζουσι· φάσκοντές τε εἶναι Χριστιανοὶ, ‘ἀλλάσσουσι τὴν τοῦ Θεοῦ δόξαν ἐν ὁμοιώματι εἰκόνος φθαρτοῦ ἀνθρώπου.᾿

22. Oukoun ho zētōn dia ti mē gennētikos huiou ho Huios, zēteitō dia ti mē patera eschen ho Patēr. Alla atopa ge amphotera kai pasēs mesta asebeias. Hōs gar ho Patēr aei Patēr, kai ouk an pote genoito Huios, houtōs ho Huios aei Huios esti, kai ouk an pote genoito Patēr; kai en toutǭ gar mallon charaktēr ōn kai eikōn tou Patros deiknytai, menōn ho esti kai ouk allassomenos, allʼ echōn ek tou Patros tēn tautotēta. Ei men oun ho Patēr metaballetai, metaballesthō kai hē eikōn; pros gar ton gennēsanta houtō kai hē eikōn autou kai to apaugasma hestēken; ei de atreptos estin ho Patēr, kai ho estin houtōs diamenei, ex anankēs kai eikōn ho esti diamenei, kai ou trapēsetai. Esti de ek tou Patros Huios; ouk ara heteron ti genēsetai ē hoper esti tēs tou Patros ousias idion. Matēn ara kai touto epenoēsan hoi aphrones, exarai thelontes apo tou Patros tēn eikona, hina tois genētois ton Huion exisasōsin. En toutois goun auton syntattontes hoi peri Areion ek didaskalias Eusebiou, kai toiouton einai nomizontes oia ta diʼ autou genomena estin, apepēdēsan men apo tēs alētheias, symphorēsantes de heautois rhēmatia panourgias, periērchonto kata tēn archēn, hote tēn hairesin tautēn eplasson, kai mechri de nyn tines synantōntes ex autōn paidariois kata tēn agoran, pynthanontai autōn, outi ge apo tōn theiōn graphōn, allʼ hōsper ‘ ta perisseumata tēs kardiasʼ autōn ereugomenoi legousin; ‘ Ho ōn ton mē onta ek tou ontos pepoiēken, ē ton onta? onta oun auton pepoiēken, ē mē onta Kai palin, ‘Hen to agennēton, ē dyo? kai autexousios esti kai idią proairesei ou trepetai, treptēs ōn physeōs? ou gar, hōs lithos, estin aphʼ heautou menōn akinētos.᾿ Eita kai eiserchomenoi pros gynaikaria, palin autais ektethēlymena rhēmatia phthengontai, ‘ Ei eiches huion prin tekę̄s? hōsper de ouk eiches, houtō kai ho tou Theou Huios ouk ēn, prin gennēthę̄. Toioutois rhēmasin exorchoumenoi paizousin hoi atimoi, kai ton Theon anthrōpois apeikazousi; phaskontes te einai Christianoi, ‘allassousi tēn tou Theou doxan en homoiōmati eikonos phthartou anthrōpou.᾿

22. So whoever asks why the Son does not beget a son, let him ask why the Father did not have a father. But both are absurd and full of all impiety. For as the Father is always Father and could never become Son, so the Son is always Son and could never become Father. And in this he is shown the more to be the exact imprint and image of the Father, remaining what he is and not changing, but having his sameness from the Father. If, then, the Father changes, let the image change too; for so the image and radiance stands in relation to the one who begot it. But if the Father is unchangeable, and remains what he is, then necessarily the image too remains what it is and will not change. And the Son is from the Father; so he will not become anything other than what is proper to the Father's substance. So in vain have the senseless men devised this too, wishing to cut the image away from the Father, in order to make the Son equal to originated things. Ranking him among these, following the teaching of Eusebius, and thinking him to be such as the things that came to be through him are, Arius and his followers leapt away from the truth. Having collected for themselves crafty little phrases, they used to go about at the beginning, when they were fabricating this heresy, and even now some of them, meeting boys in the marketplace, question them, not from the divine Scriptures, but as if belching out “the overflow of their heart,” saying: “Did he who is make the one who was not from him who is, or the one who is? Did he then make him when he was, or when he was not?” And again: “Is the unbegotten one, or two?” And: “Is he free and does he not change by his own choice, being of a changeable nature? For he is not like a stone, remaining unmoved of himself.” Then, going in to silly women, they utter to them in turn effeminate little phrases: “Did you have a son before you gave birth? As you did not, so the Son of God too was not before he was begotten.” With such words these disgraceful men dance and play, and liken God to men; and while claiming to be Christians, “they change the glory of God into the likeness of the image of corruptible man.”

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Matt 12:34 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Tim 3:6 (allusion, medium confidence) · Rom 1:23 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Athanasius shows that the Son remains always Son, as the Father is always Father, and then reports the catch-questions the Arians put to boys and women.

  • Eusebius is Eusebius of Nicomedia, Arius's chief supporter. At “Is the unbegotten one, or two?” the edition's apparatus notes the variant ἀγένητον (“unoriginate”) for ἀγέννητον (“unbegotten”); the two words were often confused. The first catch-question is printed without a “not” that some editors supply (“from what was not”). “Silly women” alludes to 2 Tim 3:6.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Leaked apparatus note (a variant reading and the Benedictine editors) inside the text.): μὴ Corr. ἄγένη τον Benedd. ὄντα → μὴ ὄντα.

Topics: Christology, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 22 (Bright, 23–24; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 23

23Bright, 24–25

23. Ἔδει μὲν οὖν μηδὲν ἀποκρίνασθαι πρὸς τὰ τοιαῦτα, οὕτως ἀνόητα ὄντα καὶ μωρά· ἵνα δὲ μὴ δοκῇ τι βέβαιον ἔχειν ἡ αἵρεσις αὐτῶν, προσήκει κἂν ὡς ἐκ παρέργου διελέγξαι καὶ ἐν τούτοις αὐτοὺς, μάλιστα διὰ τὰ εὐχερῶς ἀπατώμενα παρʼ αὐτῶν γυναικάρια. Ἔδει δὲ ταῦτα λέγοντας αὐτοὺς, καὶ ἀρχιτέκτονος πυνθάνεσθαι, ‘ Εἰ δύνασαι χωρὶς ὕλης ὑποκειμένης οἰκοδομεῖν; ὥσπερ δὲ οὐ δύνασαι, οὕτω καὶ ὁ Θεὸς οὐκ ἡδύνατο χωρὶς ὕλης ὑποκειμένης ποιῆσαι τὰ ὅλα. Ἔδει καὶ ἕκαστον αὐτοὺς τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐρωτᾷν, ‘ Eἰ δύνασαι εἶναι χωρὶς τόπου; ὥσπερ δὲ οὐ δύνασαι, οὕτω καὶ ὁ Θεὸς ἐν τόπῳ ἐστίν·᾿ ἵνʼ οὕτως κἂν παρὰ τῶν ἀκουόντων ἐντρέπεσθαι δυνηθῶσιν. Ἢ διὰ τί, ἐὰν μὲν ἀκούωσιν ὅτι Υἱὸν ἔχει ὁ Θεὸς, εἰς ἑαυτοὺς ἀποβλέποντες ἀρνοῦνται τοῦτον· ἐὰν δὲ ἀκούωσιν ὅτι κτίζει καὶ ποιεῖ, οὐκέτι τὰ ἀνθρώπινα ἀντιτιθέασιν; ἔδει δὲ καὶ ἐν τῷ κτίζειν ἀνθρώπινα νοεῖν αὐτοὺς καὶ ὕλην ὑποβάλλειν τῷ Θεῷ, ἵνα καὶ τὸ εἶναι κτίστην τὸν Θεὸν ἀρνήσωνται, καὶ λοιπὸν μετὰ Μανιχαίων κυλίωνται. Εἰ δὲ ταῦθʼ ὑπερβαίνει ἡ περὶ Θεοῦ ἔννοια, καὶ μόνον τις ἀκούσας πιστεύει καὶ οἶδεν ὅτι ἐστὶν οὐχ ὡς ἡμεῖς ἐσμεν, ἔστι μέντοι ὡς Θεὸς, καὶ κτίζει οὐχ ὡς ἄνθρωποι κτίζουσι, κτίζει μέντοι ὡς Θεὸς, δῆλον ὅτι καὶ γεννᾷ οὐχ ὡς ἄνθρωποι γεννῶσι, γεννᾷ μέντοι ὡς Θεός· οὐ γὰρ ὁ Θεὸς ἄνθρωπον μιμεῖται, ἀλλὰ μᾶλλον οἱ ἄνθρωποι, διὰ τὸν Θεὸν κυρίως καὶ μόνον ἀληθῶς ὄντα Πατέρα τοῦ ἑαυτοῦ Υἱοῦ, καὶ αὐτοὶ πατέρες ὠνομάσθησαν τῶν ἰδίων τέκνων. Ἐξ αὐτοῦ γὰρ ‘ πᾶσα πατριὰ ἐν οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς ὀνομάζεται. Καὶ ἃ λέγουσι δὲ, ἐὰν ἀνεξέταστα μείνῃ, ὡς εἰρηκότες τι φρόνιμον νομίζονται· ἐὰν δέ τις αὐτὰ λογικῶς ἐξετάσῃ, πολὺν εὑρεθήσονται γέλωτα καὶ χλευασμὸν ὀφλισκάνοντες.

23. Edei men oun mēden apokrinasthai pros ta toiauta, houtōs anoēta onta kai mōra; hina de mē dokę̄ ti bebaion echein hē hairesis autōn, prosēkei kan hōs ek parergou dielenxai kai en toutois autous, malista dia ta eucherōs apatōmena parʼ autōn gynaikaria. Edei de tauta legontas autous, kai architektonos pynthanesthai, ‘ Ei dynasai chōris hylēs hypokeimenēs oikodomein? hōsper de ou dynasai, houtō kai ho Theos ouk hēdynato chōris hylēs hypokeimenēs poiēsai ta hola. Edei kai hekaston autous tōn anthrōpōn erōtąn, ‘ Ei dynasai einai chōris topou? hōsper de ou dynasai, houtō kai ho Theos en topǭ estin;᾿ hinʼ houtōs kan para tōn akouontōn entrepesthai dynēthōsin. Ē dia ti, ean men akouōsin hoti Huion echei ho Theos, eis heautous apoblepontes arnountai touton; ean de akouōsin hoti ktizei kai poiei, ouketi ta anthrōpina antititheasin? edei de kai en tǭ ktizein anthrōpina noein autous kai hylēn hypoballein tǭ Theǭ, hina kai to einai ktistēn ton Theon arnēsōntai, kai loipon meta Manichaiōn kyliōntai. Ei de tauthʼ hyperbainei hē peri Theou ennoia, kai monon tis akousas pisteuei kai oiden hoti estin ouch hōs hēmeis esmen, esti mentoi hōs Theos, kai ktizei ouch hōs anthrōpoi ktizousi, ktizei mentoi hōs Theos, dēlon hoti kai genną ouch hōs anthrōpoi gennōsi, genną mentoi hōs Theos; ou gar ho Theos anthrōpon mimeitai, alla mallon hoi anthrōpoi, dia ton Theon kyriōs kai monon alēthōs onta Patera tou heautou Huiou, kai autoi pateres ōnomasthēsan tōn idiōn teknōn. Ex autou gar ‘ pasa patria en ouranois kai epi gēs onomazetai. Kai ha legousi de, ean anexetasta meinę̄, hōs eirēkotes ti phronimon nomizontai; ean de tis auta logikōs exetasę̄, polyn heurethēsontai gelōta kai chleuasmon ophliskanontes.

23. Such things, so senseless and foolish, ought to get no answer at all. But so that their heresy may not seem to have anything firm, it is fitting to refute them on these points too, even if in passing, especially because of the silly women who are easily deceived by them. When they say these things, they ought also to ask an architect, “Can you build without underlying material? As you cannot, so God too could not make the universe without underlying material.” They ought also to ask every human being, “Can you exist without a place? As you cannot, so God too is in a place,” so that in this way they may be put to shame even by those who hear them. Or why is it that when they hear that God has a Son, they look at themselves and deny him, but when they hear that he creates and makes, they no longer set human things against it? They ought to think in human terms about creating too, and to supply God with material, so as to deny that God is creator also, and so wallow at last with the Manichaeans. But if the thought of God goes beyond these things, and anyone, on merely hearing, believes and knows that he is, not as we are, but as God, and creates, not as men create, but as God, it is clear that he also begets, not as men beget, but as God. For God does not imitate man; rather it is men who, because God is properly and alone truly Father of his own Son, have themselves been named fathers of their own children. For from him “every fatherhood in heaven and on earth is named.” And what they say, if it remains unexamined, makes them seem to have said something clever; but if anyone examines it with reason, they will be found to incur much laughter and mockery.

Eph 3:15 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius replies that God begets as God, not as humans do, just as he creates and exists as God, and that human fatherhood is named from his.

  • The Manichaeans held that matter was an eternal principle opposed to God.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 23 (Bright, 24–25; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 24

24Bright, 25–26

24. Πρῶτον μὲν γὰρ ἡ πρώτη καὶ τοιαύτη αὐτῶν ἐρώτησίς ἐστι μωρὰ καὶ ἄδηλος. Οὐ γὰρ σημαίνουσι περὶ τίνος πυνθάνονται, ἵνα καὶ ὁ ἐρωτώμενος ἀποκρίνηται· ἀλλʼ ἁπλῶς λέγουσιν, ‘Ὁ ὢν τὸν μὴ ὄντα.᾿ Τίς οὖν ‘ὁ ὢν, ʼ καὶ τίνα τὰ μὴ ὄντα, ὦ Ἀρειανοί; ἢ τίς ὁ ὢν, καὶ τίς ‘ὁ μὴ ὢν, ’ καὶ τίνα λέγεται ὄντα, ἢ μὴ ὄντα; Δυνατὸν γὰρ καὶ ‘τὸν ὄνταʼ ποιεῖν καὶ τὰ μὴ ὄντα καὶ τὰ ὄντα καὶ τὰ προόντα, Τέκτων γοῦν καὶ χρυσοχόος καὶ κεραμεὺς τὴν οὖσαν καὶ πρὸ αὐτῶν τυγχάνουσαν ὕλην ἕκαστος κατὰ τὴν ἰδίαν τέχνην ἐργάζεται, ποιῶν ἃ βούλεται σκεύη· αὐτὸς δὲ ὁ τῶν ὅλων Θεὸς, τὸν ὄντα καὶ γενόμενον ἤδῃ παρʼ αὐτοῦ χοῦν ἐκ γῆς λαβὼν, πλάττει τὸν ἄνθρωπον· καὶ αὐτὴν μέντοι τὴν γῆν, οὐκ οὖσαν πρότερον, ὕστερον εἰς τὸ εἶναι πεποίηκε διὰ τοῦ ἰδίου Λόγου. Εἰ μὲν οὖν οὕτω πυνθάνονται, δῆλόν ἐστιν ὡς ἡ μὲν κτίσις οὐκ ἦν πρὶν γένηται, οἱ δὲ ἄνθρωποι τὴν οὖσαν ὕλην ἐπεργάζονται· καὶ ἀσύστατος αὐτῶν ὁ λόγος φανήσεται, γινομένων καὶ ὄντων, γινομένων καὶ μὴ ὄντων, ὥσπερ εἴπαμεν. Εἰ δὲ περὶ Θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ Λόγου αὐτοῦ λαλοῦσι, προστιθέτωσαν τὰ λειπόμενα τῇ ἐρωτήσει, καὶ οὕτως ἐρωτάτωσαν· ‘Ὁ ὢν Θεὸς ἦν ποτε ἄλογος, καὶ, φῶς ὢν, ἀφεγγὴς ἦν; ἢ ἀεὶ ἦν τοῦ Λόγου Πατήρ; ʼ ἢ καὶ πάλιν οὕτως· ‘Ὁ ὢν Πατὴρ τὸν Λόγον μὴ ὄντα πεποίηκεν, ἢ τὸν Λόγον ἴδιον ὄντα τῆς οὐσίας αὐτοῦ γέννημα ἔχει ἀεὶ σὺν αὐτῷ; ᾿ ἵνα γνωσθῶσιν ὅτι ὅλως περὶ Θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ ἐξ αὐτοῦ περιεργάζονται καὶ σοφίζεσθαι τολμῶσι. Τίς γὰρ ἀνέξεται λεγόντων αὐτῶν ἄλογόν ποτε τὸν Θεόν; πάλιν γὰρ εἰς ταὐτὸν τοῖς προτέροις περιπεπτώκασι, καίτοι φεύγειν αὐτὸ καὶ σκέπειν σπουδάσαντες τοῖς ἑαυτῶν σοφίσμασιν· ἀλλʼ οὐ δεδύνηνται. Οὐδεὶς γὰρ ὅλως κἂν ἀκοῦσαι θελήσειεν ἀμφιβαλλόντων αὐτῶν, ὅτι ὁ Θεὸς οὐκ ἦν ἀεὶ Πατὴρ, ἀλλʼ ὕστερον γέγονεν, ἵνα καὶ φαντασθῶσιν ὅτι καὶ ὁ Λόγος αὐτοῦ ποτε οὐκ ἦν, πολλῶν ὄντων τῶν προειρημένων κατʼ αὐτῶν ἐλέγχων, καὶ τοῦ μὲν Ἰωάννου λέγοντος, ‘ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, ᾿ τοῦ δὲ Παύλου γράφοντος πάλιν, ‘ ὃς ὢν ἀπαύγασμα τῆς δόξης, ᾿ καὶ, ‘ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων Θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας. Ἀμήν. ʼ

24. Prōton men gar hē prōtē kai toiautē autōn erōtēsis esti mōra kai adēlos. Ou gar sēmainousi peri tinos pynthanontai, hina kai ho erōtōmenos apokrinētai; allʼ haplōs legousin, ‘Ho ōn ton mē onta.᾿ Tis oun ‘ho ōn, ʼ kai tina ta mē onta, ō Areianoi? ē tis ho ōn, kai tis ‘ho mē ōn, ’ kai tina legetai onta, ē mē onta? Dynaton gar kai ‘ton ontaʼ poiein kai ta mē onta kai ta onta kai ta proonta, Tektōn goun kai chrysochoos kai kerameus tēn ousan kai pro autōn tynchanousan hylēn hekastos kata tēn idian technēn ergazetai, poiōn ha bouletai skeuē; autos de ho tōn holōn Theos, ton onta kai genomenon ēdę̄ parʼ autou choun ek gēs labōn, plattei ton anthrōpon; kai autēn mentoi tēn gēn, ouk ousan proteron, hysteron eis to einai pepoiēke dia tou idiou Logou. Ei men oun houtō pynthanontai, dēlon estin hōs hē men ktisis ouk ēn prin genētai, hoi de anthrōpoi tēn ousan hylēn epergazontai; kai asystatos autōn ho logos phanēsetai, ginomenōn kai ontōn, ginomenōn kai mē ontōn, hōsper eipamen. Ei de peri Theou kai tou Logou autou lalousi, prostithetōsan ta leipomena tę̄ erōtēsei, kai houtōs erōtatōsan; ‘Ho ōn Theos ēn pote alogos, kai, phōs ōn, aphengēs ēn? ē aei ēn tou Logou Patēr? ʼ ē kai palin houtōs; ‘Ho ōn Patēr ton Logon mē onta pepoiēken, ē ton Logon idion onta tēs ousias autou gennēma echei aei syn autǭ? ᾿ hina gnōsthōsin hoti holōs peri Theou kai tou ex autou periergazontai kai sophizesthai tolmōsi. Tis gar anexetai legontōn autōn alogon pote ton Theon? palin gar eis tauton tois proterois peripeptōkasi, kaitoi pheugein auto kai skepein spoudasantes tois heautōn sophismasin; allʼ ou dedynēntai. Oudeis gar holōs kan akousai thelēseien amphiballontōn autōn, hoti ho Theos ouk ēn aei Patēr, allʼ hysteron gegonen, hina kai phantasthōsin hoti kai ho Logos autou pote ouk ēn, pollōn ontōn tōn proeirēmenōn katʼ autōn elenchōn, kai tou men Iōannou legontos, ‘ ēn ho Logos, ᾿ tou de Paulou graphontos palin, ‘ hos ōn apaugasma tēs doxēs, ᾿ kai, ‘ho ōn epi pantōn Theos eulogētos eis tous aiōnas. Amēn. ʼ

24. First, their first question, of this kind, is foolish and unclear. For they do not indicate whom they are asking about, so that the one questioned might answer; they simply say, “He who is, the one who is not.” Who, then, is “he who is,” and what are the things that are not, you Arians? Or who is he who is, and who is “he who is not,” and what are said to be things that are, or things that are not? For “he who is” can make both things that are not and things that are and things that already existed. A carpenter, for example, a goldsmith, and a potter each work, according to his own craft, on material that exists and is there before them, making whatever vessels they wish; and the God of all himself took dust from the earth, which exists and had already come to be from him, and formed man; yet the earth itself, which did not exist before, he later made to be through his own Word. If, then, this is how they ask, it is clear that the creation was not before it came to be, while men work on material that exists; and their argument will prove incoherent, since things come to be both from what is and from what is not, as we have said. But if they are speaking about God and his Word, let them add what is missing to the question and ask thus: “Was God, who is, once without Word, and was he, being light, without brightness? Or was he always Father of the Word?” Or again thus: “Did the Father, who is, make the Word when he was not, or does he have with him always the Word, the proper offspring of his substance?” Then it will be known that they are meddling with and daring to be clever about God himself and the one who is from him. For who will put up with them when they say that God was once without Word? They have fallen again into the same thing as before, although they tried hard to avoid it and to hide it with their sophistries; but they have not been able. For no one would even want to hear them raise doubts that God was not always Father but became so later, so that they may imagine that his Word too once was not, since there are many proofs against them already stated, and since John says, “the Word was,” and Paul writes again, “who, being the radiance of his glory,” and, “who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.”

Gen 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:1 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 1:3 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:5 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius shows that the Arian question “Did he who is make one who was not?” is confused, and restates it properly about God and his Word.

  • “Without Word” (ἄλογος) also means “without reason,” a play on words Athanasius uses repeatedly.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 24 (Bright, 25–26; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 25

25Bright, 26–27

25. Καὶ βέλτιον ἦν μὲν αὐτοὺς ἠρεμεῖν· ἐπειδὴ δὲ οὐ παύονται, λοιπὸν πρὸς τὴν τοιαύτην ἀναίσχυντον ἐρώτησιν αὐτῶν τοῦτο ἄν τις ἐπίσης αὐτοῖς τολμήσας ἀντερωτήσειεν· ἴσως ἐκ τῶν ὁμοίων ἀτοπημάτων βλέποντες ἑαυτοὺς συγκλειομένους, ἀναχωρήσουσι τῆς πρὸς τὴν ἀλήθειαν μάχης. Πολλὰ τοίνυν πρότερον ἵλεων τὸν Θεὸν ἐπικαλεσάμενος, οὕτως αὐτοῖς τις ἀπαντήσειεν· ‘Ὁ ὢν Θεὸς, οὐκ ὢν γέγονεν; ἢ καὶ πρὶν γένηται, ἔστιν; ὢν οὖν, ἑαυτὸν ἐποίησεν; ἢ ἐξ οὐδενός ἐστι, καὶ μηδὲν ὢν πρότερον, ἐξαίφνης αὐτὸς ἐφάνη;᾿ Ἄτοπος ἡ τοιαύτη ἐρώτησις· ναὶ, ἄτοπος καὶ πλέα δυσφημίας· ἀλλʼ ὁμοία γε τῆς ἐκείνων· ὁπότερον γὰρ ἂν εἴπωσι, τοῦτο μεστόν ἐστι πάσης ἀσεβείας. Εἰ δὲ τὸ οὕτως ἐρωτᾷν περὶ Θεοῦ βλάσφημον καὶ πλέον ἀσεβείας ἐστὶ, βλάσφημον ἂν εἴη καὶ περὶ τοῦ Λόγου αὐτοῦ τοιαῦτα ἐρωτᾷν. Ἀποκρίνασθαι δὲ ὅμως πρὸς ἀναίρεσιν τῆς τοιαύτης αὐτῶν ἀλόγου καὶ μωρᾶς ἐρωτήσεως ἀναγκαῖον οὕτως· ὅτι ὢν, ἐστὶν ἀιδίως ὁ Θεός· ὄντος οὖν ἀεὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἔστι καὶ ἀιδίως καὶ τὸ τούτου ἀπαύγασμα, ὅπερ ἐστὶν ὁ Λόγος αὐτοῦ· καὶ πάλιν ὁ ὢν Θεὸς, ἐξ αὐτοῦ καὶ ὄντα τὸν Λόγον ἔχει· καὶ οὔτε ὁ Λόγος ἐπιγέγονεν οὐκ ὢν πρότερον, οὔτε ὁ Πατὴρ ἄλογος ἢν ποτε. Ἡ γὰρ κατὰ τοῦ Υἱοῦ τόλμα εἰς τὸν Πατέρα τὴν βλασφημίαν ἀνάγει, εἴγε ἔξωθεν ἐπενόησεν ἑαυτῷ σοφίαν, καὶ Λόγον, καὶ Υἱόν, Ὃ γὰρ ἐὰν τούτων εἴπῃς, τοῦτο τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γέννημα σημαίνει, ὥσπερ εἴρηται. Ὥστε ἀσύστατος αὐτῶν ἡ τοιαύτη ἐρώτησις, καὶ εἰκότως· ἀρνούμενοι γὰρ τὸν Λόγον, ἄλογον ἔχουσι καὶ τὴν ἐρώτησιν. Ὡς γὰρ εἴ τις τὸν ἥλιον ὁρῶν πυνθάνοιτο περὶ τοῦ ἀπαυγάσματος, καὶ λέγοι, ‘ Ὁ ὢν τὸ μὴ ὂν πεποίηκεν, ἢ ὂν αὐτὸ πεποίηκεν;᾿ οὐ σώφρονα ἔχειν ὁ τοιοῦτος λογισμὸν νομισθήσεται, ἀλλʼ ἐμβρόντητος ἂν εἴη, ὅτι ὅλως ὅ ἐστιν ἐκ τοῦ φωτός, τοῦτο ἔξωθεν ἐπινοεῖ καὶ περὶ τοῦτο ἐρωτᾷ, πότε, καὶ ποῦ, καὶ ὅτε, καὶ εἰ πεποίηται· οὕτως καὶ ὁ περὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς τοιαῦτα λογιζόμενος, καὶ οὕτω πυνθανόμενος, πολλῷ μᾶλλον τὴν μανίαν μείζονα ἂν ἔχοι, ὅτι τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς Λόγον ἔξωθεν αὐτῷ ἐπεισάγει, καὶ τὸ φύσει γέννημα ὡς ποίημα σκιαλογῶν λέγει, ‘Οὐκ ἦν πρὶν γεννηθῇ. Ἀκουέτωσαν δὲ ὅμως καὶ πρὸς τὴν ἐρώτησιν αὐτῶν, ὅτι ὁ ὢν Πατὴρ τὸν ὄντα Υἱὸν ἐποίησεν. Ὁ γὰρ ‘ Λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο. ʼ καὶ ὄντα αὐτὸν Υἱὸν Θεοῦ ἐποίησεν ἐπὶ συντελείᾳ τῶν αἰώνων καὶ Υἱὸν ἀνθρώπου, εἰ μὴ ἄρα κατὰ τὸν Σαμοσατέα μηδὲ εἶναι αὐτὸν πρὶν ἄνθρωπον γενέσθαι εἴποιεν. Καὶ πρός μὲν τὴν πρώτην αὐτῶν ἐρώτησιν ἱκανὰ ταῦτα παρʼ ἡμῶν.

25. Kai beltion ēn men autous ēremein; epeidē de ou pauontai, loipon pros tēn toiautēn anaischynton erōtēsin autōn touto an tis episēs autois tolmēsas anterōtēseien; isōs ek tōn homoiōn atopēmatōn blepontes heautous synkleiomenous, anachōrēsousi tēs pros tēn alētheian machēs. Polla toinyn proteron hileōn ton Theon epikalesamenos, houtōs autois tis apantēseien; ‘Ho ōn Theos, ouk ōn gegonen? ē kai prin genētai, estin? ōn oun, heauton epoiēsen? ē ex oudenos esti, kai mēden ōn proteron, exaiphnēs autos ephanē?᾿ Atopos hē toiautē erōtēsis; nai, atopos kai plea dysphēmias; allʼ homoia ge tēs ekeinōn; hopoteron gar an eipōsi, touto meston esti pasēs asebeias. Ei de to houtōs erōtąn peri Theou blasphēmon kai pleon asebeias esti, blasphēmon an eiē kai peri tou Logou autou toiauta erōtąn. Apokrinasthai de homōs pros anairesin tēs toiautēs autōn alogou kai mōras erōtēseōs anankaion houtōs; hoti ōn, estin aidiōs ho Theos; ontos oun aei tou Patros, esti kai aidiōs kai to toutou apaugasma, hoper estin ho Logos autou; kai palin ho ōn Theos, ex autou kai onta ton Logon echei; kai oute ho Logos epigegonen ouk ōn proteron, oute ho Patēr alogos ēn pote. Hē gar kata tou Huiou tolma eis ton Patera tēn blasphēmian anagei, eige exōthen epenoēsen heautǭ sophian, kai Logon, kai Huion, Ho gar ean toutōn eipę̄s, touto to ek tou Patros gennēma sēmainei, hōsper eirētai. Hōste asystatos autōn hē toiautē erōtēsis, kai eikotōs; arnoumenoi gar ton Logon, alogon echousi kai tēn erōtēsin. Hōs gar ei tis ton hēlion horōn pynthanoito peri tou apaugasmatos, kai legoi, ‘ Ho ōn to mē on pepoiēken, ē on auto pepoiēken?᾿ ou sōphrona echein ho toioutos logismon nomisthēsetai, allʼ embrontētos an eiē, hoti holōs ho estin ek tou phōtos, touto exōthen epinoei kai peri touto erōtą, pote, kai pou, kai hote, kai ei pepoiētai; houtōs kai ho peri tou Huiou kai tou Patros toiauta logizomenos, kai houtō pynthanomenos, pollǭ mallon tēn manian meizona an echoi, hoti ton ek tou Patros Logon exōthen autǭ epeisagei, kai to physei gennēma hōs poiēma skialogōn legei, ‘Ouk ēn prin gennēthę̄. Akouetōsan de homōs kai pros tēn erōtēsin autōn, hoti ho ōn Patēr ton onta Huion epoiēsen. Ho gar ‘ Logos sarx egeneto. ʼ kai onta auton Huion Theou epoiēsen epi synteleią tōn aiōnōn kai Huion anthrōpou, ei mē ara kata ton Samosatea mēde einai auton prin anthrōpon genesthai eipoien. Kai pros men tēn prōtēn autōn erōtēsin hikana tauta parʼ hēmōn.

25. It would have been better for them to keep quiet; but since they do not stop, one might dare in turn to put this counter-question to their shameless question. Perhaps, seeing themselves hemmed in by similar absurdities, they will withdraw from their fight against the truth. First, then, calling earnestly on God to be merciful, one might meet them thus: “Did God, who is, come to be when he was not? Or does he exist even before he came to be? Being, then, did he make himself? Or is he from nothing, and, being nothing before, did he suddenly appear?” Such a question is absurd; yes, absurd and full of blasphemy; but it is like theirs, for whichever answer they give is full of all impiety. And if it is blasphemous and more than impious to ask such things about God, it would be blasphemous to ask such things about his Word too. Nevertheless, to do away with their irrational and foolish question, one must answer thus: being, God is eternally. Since, then, the Father always is, his radiance too is eternally, which is his Word. And again, God, who is, has from himself the Word, who also is. Neither was the Word added later, when he was not before, nor was the Father ever without Word. For the daring attack on the Son carries the blasphemy up to the Father, as if he devised wisdom, Word, and Son for himself from outside. For whichever of these you name, it signifies the offspring from the Father, as has been said. So their question of this kind does not hold together, and naturally: for denying the Word, they have a question without reason as well. For if someone looking at the sun were to ask about its radiance, and say, “Did that which is make what is not, or did it make it when it was?” he would not be thought to reason soundly, but to be thunderstruck, because he imagines what comes from the light to be from outside and asks when and where and whether it was made. So also anyone who reasons and inquires thus about the Son and the Father would be much madder still, because he brings the Word from the Father in upon him from outside, and, talking of shadows, calls the natural offspring a work and says, “He was not before he was begotten.” Nevertheless, let them hear this answer to their question: the Father, who is, made the Son, who is. For “the Word became flesh”; and him, being Son of God, he made at the consummation of the ages Son of Man as well, unless they are going to say, with the Samosatene, that he did not even exist before he became man. This is enough from us in answer to their first question.

John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 9:26 (allusion, high confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius turns the Arian question back on them, answering that God and his Word both eternally are, and that the one sense in which the Son was “made” is his becoming man.

  • “The Samosatene” is Paul of Samosata, bishop of Antioch, condemned ca. 268, who was held to teach that the Son did not exist before his human birth.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Letter dropped in the digital text (πρότερον).): ρότερον ἵλεων → πρότερον ἵλεων.

Topics: Christology, Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 25 (Bright, 26–27; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 26

26Bright, 27–28

26. Ὑμεῖς δὲ, ὦ Ἀρειανοὶ, τῶν ἰδίων ἑαυτῶν ῥημάτων μνημονεύοντες, εἴπατε· Ὁ ὢν τοῦ μὴ ὄντος ἔχρῃζεν εἰς τὴν τῶν πάντων δημιουργίαν, ἢ ὄντος αὐτοῦ ἔχρῃζεν; Εἰρήκατε γὰρ, ‘Ὄργανον ἑαυτῷ τὸν Υἱὸν ἐκ τοῦ μὴ ὄντος κατεσκεύασεν, ἵνα διʼ αὐτοῦ ποιήσῃ τὰ πάντα.᾿ Τί οὖν ἐστι βέλτιον, τὸ χρῇζον, ἢ τὸ τὴν χρείαν ἀναπληροῦν; ἢ ἀμφότερα τὰ ἐνδέοντα ἀλλήλων ἀναπληροῦσι; Τοιαῦτα γὰρ λέγοντες, τοῦ κατασκευάσαντος μᾶλλον ἀσθένειαν δεικνύετε, εἰ μὴ καὶ μόνος ἵσχυσε δημιουργῆσαι τὰ πάντα, ἀλλʼ ἔξωθεν ἑαυτῷ ὄργανον ἐπινοεῖ, ὥσπερ τέκτων ἢ ναυπηγός τις, μὴ δυνάμενος ὁτιοῦν ἐργάσασθαι χωρὶς σκεπάρνου καὶ πρίονος. Τί οὖν τούτου ἀσεβέστερον; Ἢ τί δεῖ διατρίβειν ὅλως ἐν τούτοις ὡς δεινοῖς, αὐταρκῶν ὄντων τῶν προειρημένων δεῖξαι, φαντασίαν μόνον εἶναι τὰ παρʼ αὐτῶν; Πρὸς δὲ τὴν ἑτέραν αὐτῶν εὐήθη πάνυ καὶ μωρὰν ἐξέτασιν, ἣν πρὸς τὰ γυναικάρια ποιοῦνται, οὐδὲν μὲν πάλιν οὐδὲ περὶ ταύτης ἐχρῆν ἀποκρίνασθαι, ἢ τοῦτο μόνον ὃ καὶ ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν εἰρήκαμεν, ὅτι μὴ δέον τὴν ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γέννησιν συμμετρεῖν τῇ τῶν ἀνθρώπων φύσει, Ἴνα δὲ ὅμως καὶ ἐν τούτῳ καταγνῶσιν ἑαυτῶν, καλὸν ἐκ τῶν αὐτῶν πάλιν οὕτως αὐτοῖς ἀπαντῆσαι. Ὅλως εἰ περὶ υἱοῦ πυνθάνονται γονέων, ἐνθυμείσθωσαν πόθεν ἐστὶ τὸ γεννώμενον τέκνον. Εἰ γὰρ καὶ οὐκ εἶχεν ὁ γονεὺς υἱὸν πρὶν γεννήσῃ, ἀλλʼ ἐσχηκὼς, οὐκ ἔξωθεν οὐδὲ ἀλλότριον, ἀλλʼ ἐξ ἑαυτοῦ καὶ ἴδιον τῆς οὐσίας καὶ ἀπαράλλακτον ἔσχεν εἰκόνα, ὥστε τοῦτον ἐν ἐκείνῳ βλέπεσθαι, κἀκεῖνον ἐν τούτῳ θεωρεῖσθαι. Εἰ τοίνυν ἐκ τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων παραδειγμάτων τὸν χρόνον τῶν γεννώντων λαμβάνουσι, διὰ τί μὴ ἐκ τῶν αὐτῶν καὶ τὸ κατὰ φύσιν καὶ τὸ ἴδιον ἐνθυμοῦνται τῶν τέκνων πρὸς τοὺς γονέας, ἀλλὰ κατὰ τοὺς ὄφεις μόνον τὸ πρὸς τὸν ἰὸν ἐπιτήδειον ἐκ τῆς γῆς ἐκλέγονται; Ἔδει δὲ πυνθανομένους αὐτοὺς γονέων καὶ λέγοντας, ‘Οὐκ εἶχες υἱὸν πρὶν γεννήσῃς; ᾿ προσθεῖναι καὶ εἰπεῖν, ‘ Ἐὰν δὲ σχῇς υἱὸν, ἆρά γε ἔξωθεν ὥσπερ οἰκίαν, ἤ τι ἕτερον κτῆμα ἀγοράζεις; ʼ ἵνα σοι ἀποκρίνηται· ‘Οὐκ ἔξωθεν, ἀλλʼ ἐξ ἐμοῦ ἐστι. Τὰ μὲν γὰρ ἔξωθεν κτήματά ἐστι, καὶ ἀφʼ ἑτέρου εἰς ἕτερον μετέρχεται· ὁ δὲ υἱὸς ἐξ ἐμοῦ ἐστι, καὶ τῆς ἐμῆς οὐσίας ἴδιος καὶ ὅμοιος, οὐκ ἀφʼ ἑτέρου εἰς ἐμὲ γεγονὼς, ἀλλʼ ἐξ ἐμοῦ γεγεννημένος· διὸ καὶ ἐν ἐκείνῳ ὅλος εἰμὶ, μένων αὐτὸς ὅ εἰμι.᾿ Οὕτω γὰρ ἔχει· κἂν ὁ γονεὺς τῷ χρόνῳ διαφέρῃ, ὡς ἄνθρωπος ἐν χρόνῳ καὶ αὐτὸς γεγονὼς, ἀλλʼ ἔσχεν ἂν καὶ αὐτὸς ἀεὶ συνυπάρχον τὸ τέκνον, εἰ μὴ ἡ φύσις ἐνεπόδιζε καὶ ἐκώλυε τὸ δύνασθαι. Καὶ γὰρ καὶ ὁ ‘Λευῒ ἔτι ἦν ἐν τῇ ὀσφύΐ ’ τοῦ προπάππου, πρὶν αὐτὸς γεννηθῇ, καὶ ὁ πάππος γεννήσῃ. Ὅταν οὗν εἰς τοῦθʼ ἡλικίας ἔλθοι ὁ ἄνθρωπος, ἐν ᾗ καὶ τὸ δυνατὸν ἡ φύσις παρέχει, εὐθὺς ἀνεμποδίστῳ τῇ φύσει πατὴρ ὁ ἄνθρωπος γίνεται τοῦ ἐξ ἑαυτοῦ υἱοῦ.

26. Hymeis de, ō Areianoi, tōn idiōn heautōn rhēmatōn mnēmoneuontes, eipate; Ho ōn tou mē ontos echrę̄zen eis tēn tōn pantōn dēmiourgian, ē ontos autou echrę̄zen? Eirēkate gar, ‘Organon heautǭ ton Huion ek tou mē ontos kateskeuasen, hina diʼ autou poiēsę̄ ta panta.᾿ Ti oun esti beltion, to chrę̄zon, ē to tēn chreian anaplēroun? ē amphotera ta endeonta allēlōn anaplērousi? Toiauta gar legontes, tou kataskeuasantos mallon astheneian deiknyete, ei mē kai monos hischyse dēmiourgēsai ta panta, allʼ exōthen heautǭ organon epinoei, hōsper tektōn ē naupēgos tis, mē dynamenos hotioun ergasasthai chōris skeparnou kai prionos. Ti oun toutou asebesteron? Ē ti dei diatribein holōs en toutois hōs deinois, autarkōn ontōn tōn proeirēmenōn deixai, phantasian monon einai ta parʼ autōn? Pros de tēn heteran autōn euēthē pany kai mōran exetasin, hēn pros ta gynaikaria poiountai, ouden men palin oude peri tautēs echrēn apokrinasthai, ē touto monon ho kai en tois emprosthen eirēkamen, hoti mē deon tēn ek tou Theou gennēsin symmetrein tę̄ tōn anthrōpōn physei, Ina de homōs kai en toutǭ katagnōsin heautōn, kalon ek tōn autōn palin houtōs autois apantēsai. Holōs ei peri huiou pynthanontai goneōn, enthymeisthōsan pothen esti to gennōmenon teknon. Ei gar kai ouk eichen ho goneus huion prin gennēsę̄, allʼ eschēkōs, ouk exōthen oude allotrion, allʼ ex heautou kai idion tēs ousias kai aparallakton eschen eikona, hōste touton en ekeinǭ blepesthai, kakeinon en toutǭ theōreisthai. Ei toinyn ek tōn anthrōpinōn paradeigmatōn ton chronon tōn gennōntōn lambanousi, dia ti mē ek tōn autōn kai to kata physin kai to idion enthymountai tōn teknōn pros tous goneas, alla kata tous opheis monon to pros ton ion epitēdeion ek tēs gēs eklegontai? Edei de pynthanomenous autous goneōn kai legontas, ‘Ouk eiches huion prin gennēsę̄s? ᾿ prostheinai kai eipein, ‘ Ean de schę̄s huion, ara ge exōthen hōsper oikian, ē ti heteron ktēma agorazeis? ʼ hina soi apokrinētai; ‘Ouk exōthen, allʼ ex emou esti. Ta men gar exōthen ktēmata esti, kai aphʼ heterou eis heteron meterchetai; ho de huios ex emou esti, kai tēs emēs ousias idios kai homoios, ouk aphʼ heterou eis eme gegonōs, allʼ ex emou gegennēmenos; dio kai en ekeinǭ holos eimi, menōn autos ho eimi.᾿ Houtō gar echei; kan ho goneus tǭ chronǭ diapherę̄, hōs anthrōpos en chronǭ kai autos gegonōs, allʼ eschen an kai autos aei synyparchon to teknon, ei mē hē physis enepodize kai ekōlye to dynasthai. Kai gar kai ho ‘Leuï eti ēn en tę̄ osphyï ’ tou propappou, prin autos gennēthę̄, kai ho pappos gennēsę̄. Hotan houn eis touthʼ hēlikias elthoi ho anthrōpos, en hę̄ kai to dynaton hē physis parechei, euthys anempodistǭ tę̄ physei patēr ho anthrōpos ginetai tou ex heautou huiou.

26. And you, Arians, remembering your own words, tell us: did he who is need one who was not for the making of all things, or did he need one who was? For you have said, “He fashioned the Son for himself as an instrument out of what was not, so that he might make all things through him.” Which, then, is better: what needs, or what fills the need? Or do both fill what the other lacks? For in saying such things you show rather the weakness of the one who fashioned him, if he alone was not strong enough to make all things but devised an instrument for himself from outside, like a carpenter or a shipwright who cannot work at anything without an axe and a saw. What could be more impious than this? But why dwell on these things at all as if they were formidable, when what has already been said is enough to show that what they say is mere fantasy? As for their other quite silly and foolish inquiry, which they put to the silly women, again no answer at all should have been needed about it either, except what we have said before, that the begetting from God must not be measured by human nature. Yet so that in this too they may condemn themselves, it is good to meet them again from their own premises, as follows. If they ask parents about a son at all, let them consider where the child that is begotten comes from. For even if the parent did not have a son before he begot him, yet, when he had him, he had him not from outside nor as something foreign, but from himself, proper to his substance, and an unvarying image, so that the one is seen in the other and the other contemplated in the one. If, then, they take the time of those who beget from human examples, why do they not from the same examples consider the naturalness and the propriety of children to their parents, but, like snakes, pick out of the earth only what serves their poison? When they ask parents and say, “Did you not have a son before you begot him?” they should have added and said, “And when you have a son, do you buy him from outside like a house or some other possession?” so that the parent might answer you: “Not from outside, but he is from me. For things from outside are possessions and pass from one owner to another; but my son is from me, proper to and like my substance, not having come to me from another, but begotten from me; therefore I am wholly in him, while remaining myself what I am.” For so it is: even if the parent differs in time, since as a man he too has come to be in time, yet he too would have had his child always coexisting with him, if nature had not hindered and prevented it from being possible. For Levi too “was still in the loins” of his great-grandfather before he himself was begotten and before his grandfather begot. When, then, a man comes to that age at which nature gives the ability, at once, with nature unhindered, he becomes father of the son from himself.

Heb 7:10 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius rejects the idea of the Son as God's instrument and turns the Arians' question to mothers against them: a child is from the parent's own substance, and only human nature makes it later in time.

  • “Unvarying image” (ἀπαράλλακτος εἰκών) was a term used by those who held the Son to be like the Father in all things.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Two words run together in the digital text.): ἐκώλυετὸ → ἐκώλυε τὸ; ἐντῇ → ἐν τῇ.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 26 (Bright, 27–28; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 27

27Bright, 28–29

27. Οὐκοῦν εἰ γονέων περὶ τέκνων ἐπύθοντο, καὶ ἔγνωσαν ὅτι τὰ φύσει τέκνα οὐκ ἔξωθεν ἀλλʼ ἐκ τῶν γονέων εἰσὶν, ὁμολογείτωσαν καὶ περὶ τοῦ Λόγου τοῦ Θεοῦ, ὅτι ὅλως ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός ἐστι. Καὶ περὶ τοῦ χρόνου ζητοῦντες, τὸ ἐμποδίζον τὸν Θεὸν λεγέτωσαν, (χρὴ γὰρ ἐξ ὧν ὡς χλευάζοντες ἐπυνθάνοντο, ἐκ τούτων αὐτοὺς ἀσεβοῦντας διελέγχειν· εἰπάτωσαν τοίνυν τί τὸ ἐμποδίζον τὸν Θεὸν ἀεὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ Πατέρα αὐτὸν εἶναι; Τὸ γὰρ ἐκ πατρὸς εἶναι τὸ γεννώμενον ὡμολόγηται. Ἵνα δὲ καὶ ὅλως τι τοιοῦτον λογισάμενοι περὶ τὸν Θεὸν καταγνῶσιν ἑαυτῶν, ὥσπερ ἠρώτησαν γυναῖκας περὶ τῶν χρόνων, οὕτω πυνθανέσθωσαν καὶ τοῦ ἡλίου περὶ τοῦ ἀπαυγάσματος αὐτοῦ, καὶ τῆς πηγῆς περὶ τοῦ ἐξ αὐτῆς, ἴνα μάθωσιν ὅτι καίπερ ὄντα γεννήματα ταῦτα, ἐστὶ καὶ ἀεὶ σὺν ἐκείνοις, ἐξ ὦν καί εἰσιν. Εἰ δὲ καὶ τὸ ‘φύσει ᾿ καὶ τὸ ἀεὶ οἱ τοιοῦτοι γονεῖς ἔχουσι πρὸς τὰ τέκνα, διὰ τί τὸν Θεὸν ἐλάττονα τῶν γενητῶν ὑπονοοῦντες, οὐ φανερώτερον ἑαυτῶν τὴν ἀσέβειαν ἐξάγουσιν; Εἰ δὲ τοῦτο μὲν οὐ τολμῶσιν ἐκ φανεροῦ λέγειν, ὁμολογεῖται δὲ ὁ Υἱὸς μὴ ἔξωθεν, ἀλλʼ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς εἶναι φύσει γέννημα, οὐδὲν δὲ οὐδὲ τὸ ἐμποδίζον ἐστὶ τὸν Θεόν· (‘ οὐ γὰρ ὡς ἄνθρωπος ὁ Θεὸς, ᾿ ἀλλὰ καὶ πλέον ἐστὶ τοῦ ἡλίου, μᾶλλον δὲ Θεός ἐστι τοῦ ἡλίου·) δῆλον ὅτι καὶ ἐξ αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀεί ἐστι συνυπάρχων ὁ Λόγος τῷ Πατρὶ, διʼ οὖ τὰ πάντα οὐκ ὄντα εἰς τὸ εἶναι πεποίηκεν ὁ Πατήρ. Ὅτι μὲν οὖν ὁ Υἱὸς οὐκ ‘ἐξ οὐκ ὄντων, ᾿ ἀλλʼ ἀΐδιός τε καὶ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρός ἐστι, καὶ αὐτὸ τὸ πρᾶγμα δείκνυσι· καὶ ἡ ἐρώτησις δὲ τῶν αἱρετικῶν πρὸς τοὺς γονέας διελέγχει τὴν κακόνοιαν αὐτῶν, Ἔγνωσαν γὰρ τὸ κατὰ φύσιν, καὶ λοιπὸν καὶ περὶ τῶν χρόνων ἠσχύνθησαν.

27. Oukoun ei goneōn peri teknōn epythonto, kai egnōsan hoti ta physei tekna ouk exōthen allʼ ek tōn goneōn eisin, homologeitōsan kai peri tou Logou tou Theou, hoti holōs ek tou Patros esti. Kai peri tou chronou zētountes, to empodizon ton Theon legetōsan, (chrē gar ex hōn hōs chleuazontes epynthanonto, ek toutōn autous asebountas dielenchein; eipatōsan toinyn ti to empodizon ton Theon aei tou Huiou Patera auton einai? To gar ek patros einai to gennōmenon hōmologētai. Hina de kai holōs ti toiouton logisamenoi peri ton Theon katagnōsin heautōn, hōsper ērōtēsan gynaikas peri tōn chronōn, houtō pynthanesthōsan kai tou hēliou peri tou apaugasmatos autou, kai tēs pēgēs peri tou ex autēs, ina mathōsin hoti kaiper onta gennēmata tauta, esti kai aei syn ekeinois, ex ōn kai eisin. Ei de kai to ‘physei ᾿ kai to aei hoi toioutoi goneis echousi pros ta tekna, dia ti ton Theon elattona tōn genētōn hyponoountes, ou phanerōteron heautōn tēn asebeian exagousin? Ei de touto men ou tolmōsin ek phanerou legein, homologeitai de ho Huios mē exōthen, allʼ ek tou Patros einai physei gennēma, ouden de oude to empodizon esti ton Theon; (‘ ou gar hōs anthrōpos ho Theos, ᾿ alla kai pleon esti tou hēliou, mallon de Theos esti tou hēliou;) dēlon hoti kai ex autou kai aei esti synyparchōn ho Logos tǭ Patri, diʼ ou ta panta ouk onta eis to einai pepoiēken ho Patēr. Hoti men oun ho Huios ouk ‘ex ouk ontōn, ᾿ allʼ aïdios te kai ek tou Patros esti, kai auto to pragma deiknysi; kai hē erōtēsis de tōn hairetikōn pros tous goneas dielenchei tēn kakonoian autōn, Egnōsan gar to kata physin, kai loipon kai peri tōn chronōn ēschynthēsan.

27. So if they asked parents about children, and learned that children by nature are not from outside but from their parents, let them confess about the Word of God too that he is wholly from the Father. And if they raise the question of time, let them say what hinders God. (For it is necessary to refute their impiety from the very things they asked in mockery.) Let them say, then, what hinders God from being always Father of the Son; for it is agreed that what is begotten is from the father. And so that they may condemn themselves for thinking any such thing about God at all, just as they asked women about times, so let them ask the sun about its radiance and the spring about what comes from it, so that they may learn that, although these are offspring, they exist always with those from which they come. And if such parents have both the “natural” and the “always” in relation to their children, why do they, suspecting God to be less than things originated, not bring out their impiety more openly? But if they do not dare to say this openly, and it is agreed that the Son is not from outside but is by nature an offspring from the Father, and nothing hinders God (for “God is not like a man,” but is more than the sun, or rather is the God of the sun), it is clear that the Word is both from him and always coexisting with the Father, the Word through whom the Father made all things that were not to be. That the Son is not “from nothing,” then, but is eternal and from the Father, the fact itself shows; and the heretics' question to parents refutes their malice. For they have learned what is natural, and they have been put to shame about times as well.

Num 23:19 (quotation, medium confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius concludes that since nothing hinders God as nature hinders human parents, the Son, who is from the Father by nature, always coexists with him.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (First letter of the sentence lost in the digital text.): τι μὲν οὖν ὁ Υἱὸς → Ὅτι μὲν οὖν ὁ Υἱὸς.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 27 (Bright, 28–29; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 28

28Bright, 29–30

28. Ὅτι δὲ οὐ δεῖ τὴν τοῦ Θεοῦ γέννησιν παραβάλλειν τῇ τῶν ἀνθρώπων φύσει, καὶ νομίζειν ‘ μέροςʼ εἶναι τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν Υἱὸν αὐτοῦ, ἢ ὅλως τι ‘πάθοςʼ σημαίνειν τὴν γέννησιν, φθάσαντες μὲν εἴπομεν ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν, καὶ νῦν δὲ τὰ αὐτά φαμεν· ‘οὐκ ἔστιν ὡς ἄνθρωπος ὁ Θεός, ᾿ Ἄνθρωποι μὲν γὰρ παθητικῶς γεννῶσι, ῥευστὴν ἔχοντες τὴν φύσιν, καὶ χρόνους ἀναμένοντες διὰ τὴν ἀσθένειαν τῆς ἰδίας φύσεως· ἐπὶ δὲ Θεοῦ τοῦτο λέγειν οὐκ ἔστιν. Οὐ γὰρ ἐκ μερῶν συγκείμενός ἐστιν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀπαθὴς ὢν καὶ ἀπλοῦς, ἀπαθῶς καὶ ἀμερίστως τοῦ Υἱοῦ Πατήρ ἐστι· καὶ τούτου πάλιν μέγα τεκμήριον καὶ ἀπόδειξις ἐκ τῶν θείων γραφῶν. Ὁ Λόγος γὰρ ὁ τοῦ Θεοῦ Υἱός ἐστιν αὐτοῦ, καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς Λόγος ἐστὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ Σοφία· Λόγος δὲ καὶ Σοφία οὔτε κτίσμα οὔτε μέρος ἐστὶ τούτου, οὗ καὶ ἔστι Λόγος, οὔτε κατὰ πάθος ἐστὶ γέννημα. Ἀμφότερα γοῦν ἡ γραφὴ συνάπτουσα, ‘Υἱὸνʼ μὲν ἔφησεν, ἵνα τὸ φύσει καὶ ἀληθινὸν τῆς οὐσίας γέννημα εὐαγγελίσηται· ἵνα δὲ μή τις ἀνθρώπινον ὑπολάβοι τὸ γέννημα, πάλιν τὴν οὐσίαν αὐτοῦ σημαίνων, ‘Λόγονʼ αὐτὸν εἶναι καὶ Σοφίαν καὶ ἀπαύγασμά φησιν. Ἐκ γὰρ τούτου καὶ τὸ ἀπαθὲς τῆς γεννήσεως, καὶ τὸ ἀΐδιον, καὶ τῷ Θεῷ πρέπον λογιζόμεθα. Ποῖον οὖν πάθος, ἢ ποῖον μέρος ἐστὶ τοῦ Πατρὸς ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ἡ Σοφία, καὶ τὸ ἀπαύγασμα; Καὶ τοῦτο δυνατὸν καὶ αὐτοὺς τοὺς ἄφρονας μαθεῖν. Ὡς γὰρ γυναικῶν ἐπύθοντο περὶ υἱοῦ, οὕτως καὶ ἄνδρας ἐπερωτάτωσαν περὶ τοῦ λόγου, ἵνα μάθωσιν ὅτι οὔτε πάθος αὐτῶν, οὔτε μέρος ἐστὶ τοῦ νοῦ τούτων ὁ λόγος ὃν προφέρονται. Εἰ δὲ τῶν ἀνθρώπων, καίτοι παθητῶν ὄντων καὶ μεριστῶν ὄντων, τοιοῦτος ὁ λόγος, διὰ τί περὶ τοῦ ἀσωμάτου καὶ ἀμερίστου Θεοῦ πάθη καὶ μέρη λογίζονται, ἵνα, τοῦτο προσποιούμενοι δῆθεν εὐλαβεῖσθαι, ἀρνήσωνται τὴν ἀληθῇ καὶ φύσει γέννησιν τοῦ Υἱοῦ; Καὶ ὅτι μὲν τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γέννημα οὐκ ἔστι πάθος, ἱκανῶς διὰ τῶν ἔμπροσθεν ἀποδέδεικται· δέδεικται δὲ καὶ ἰδίᾳ νῦν ὁ Λόγος οὐ κατὰ πάθος γεννώμενος. Ἀκουέτωσαν δὲ καὶ περὶ τῆς Σοφίας τὰ αὐτά· οὐκ ἔστιν ὡς ἄνθρωπος ὁ Θεός·᾿ μὴ ἀνθρώπινον φανταζέσθωσαν καὶ ἐν τούτῳ περὶ αὐτοῦ. Καὶ γὰρ τῶν ἀνθρώπων πάλιν δεκτικῶν σοφίας γεγονότων, ὁ Θεὸς, οὐδενὸς μετέχων, αὐτὸς τῆς ἑαυτοῦ Σοφίας Πατήρ ἐστιν, ἧς οἱ μετέχοντες εἰώθασι σοφοὶ καλεῖσθαι· καὶ ἔστι καὶ αὐτὴ ἡ Σοφία οὐ πάθος, οὐδὲ μέρος, ἀλλὰ γέννημα ἴδιον τοῦ πατρός. Διὰ τοῦτο ἀεὶ Πατὴρ, καὶ οὐκ ἐπιγέγονε τῷ Θεῷ τὸ ‘πατὴρ, ᾿ ἵνα μὴ καὶ τρεπτὸς εἶναι νομισθῇ. Εἰ γὰρ καλὸν τὸ εἶναι αὐτὸν Πατέρα, οὐκ ἀεὶ δὲ ἦν Πατὴρ, οὐκ ἀεὶ ἄρα τὸ καλὸν ἦν ἐν αὐτῷ.

28. Hoti de ou dei tēn tou Theou gennēsin paraballein tę̄ tōn anthrōpōn physei, kai nomizein ‘ merosʼ einai tou Theou ton Huion autou, ē holōs ti ‘pathosʼ sēmainein tēn gennēsin, phthasantes men eipomen en tois emprosthen, kai nyn de ta auta phamen; ‘ouk estin hōs anthrōpos ho Theos, ᾿ Anthrōpoi men gar pathētikōs gennōsi, rheustēn echontes tēn physin, kai chronous anamenontes dia tēn astheneian tēs idias physeōs; epi de Theou touto legein ouk estin. Ou gar ek merōn synkeimenos estin, alla kai apathēs ōn kai aplous, apathōs kai ameristōs tou Huiou Patēr esti; kai toutou palin mega tekmērion kai apodeixis ek tōn theiōn graphōn. Ho Logos gar ho tou Theou Huios estin autou, kai ho Huios Logos esti tou Patros kai Sophia; Logos de kai Sophia oute ktisma oute meros esti toutou, hou kai esti Logos, oute kata pathos esti gennēma. Amphotera goun hē graphē synaptousa, ‘Huionʼ men ephēsen, hina to physei kai alēthinon tēs ousias gennēma euangelisētai; hina de mē tis anthrōpinon hypolaboi to gennēma, palin tēn ousian autou sēmainōn, ‘Logonʼ auton einai kai Sophian kai apaugasma phēsin. Ek gar toutou kai to apathes tēs gennēseōs, kai to aïdion, kai tǭ Theǭ prepon logizometha. Poion oun pathos, ē poion meros esti tou Patros ho Logos, kai hē Sophia, kai to apaugasma? Kai touto dynaton kai autous tous aphronas mathein. Hōs gar gynaikōn epythonto peri huiou, houtōs kai andras eperōtatōsan peri tou logou, hina mathōsin hoti oute pathos autōn, oute meros esti tou nou toutōn ho logos hon propherontai. Ei de tōn anthrōpōn, kaitoi pathētōn ontōn kai meristōn ontōn, toioutos ho logos, dia ti peri tou asōmatou kai ameristou Theou pathē kai merē logizontai, hina, touto prospoioumenoi dēthen eulabeisthai, arnēsōntai tēn alēthę̄ kai physei gennēsin tou Huiou? Kai hoti men to ek tou Theou gennēma ouk esti pathos, hikanōs dia tōn emprosthen apodedeiktai; dedeiktai de kai idią nyn ho Logos ou kata pathos gennōmenos. Akouetōsan de kai peri tēs Sophias ta auta; ouk estin hōs anthrōpos ho Theos;᾿ mē anthrōpinon phantazesthōsan kai en toutǭ peri autou. Kai gar tōn anthrōpōn palin dektikōn sophias gegonotōn, ho Theos, oudenos metechōn, autos tēs heautou Sophias Patēr estin, hēs hoi metechontes eiōthasi sophoi kaleisthai; kai esti kai autē hē Sophia ou pathos, oude meros, alla gennēma idion tou patros. Dia touto aei Patēr, kai ouk epigegone tǭ Theǭ to ‘patēr, ᾿ hina mē kai treptos einai nomisthę̄. Ei gar kalon to einai auton Patera, ouk aei de ēn Patēr, ouk aei ara to kalon ēn en autǭ.

28. That one must not compare God's begetting with human nature, nor think that his Son is a “part” of God, nor that the begetting signifies any “passion” at all, we have said already above, and we say the same now: “God is not like a man.” For men beget with passion, having a fluid nature, and waiting for times because of the weakness of their own nature; but this cannot be said of God. For he is not composed of parts, but, being impassible and simple, he is Father of the Son impassibly and without division. And there is great evidence and proof of this again from the divine Scriptures. For the Word of God is his Son, and the Son is the Word and Wisdom of the Father; and Word and Wisdom is neither a creature nor a part of him whose Word it is, nor an offspring begotten with passion. Joining both, then, Scripture said “Son,” in order to proclaim the natural and true offspring of the substance; and so that no one might suppose the offspring to be human, again signifying his substance, it says that he is “Word,” “Wisdom,” and “radiance.” For from this we reckon that the begetting is impassible, eternal, and fitting for God. What passion, then, or what part of the Father is the Word, the Wisdom, the radiance? Even these senseless men can learn this. For as they asked women about a son, so let them ask men about their word, so that they may learn that the word they utter is neither a passion of theirs nor a part of their mind. And if the word of men, though men are passible and divisible, is like this, why do they reckon passions and parts in the case of the incorporeal and indivisible God, so that, pretending to be reverent about this, they may deny the true and natural begetting of the Son? That the offspring from God is not a passion has been sufficiently proved above; and it has now been shown in particular that the Word is not begotten by passion. Let them hear the same about Wisdom: “God is not like a man”; let them not imagine anything human about him in this either. For while men have become receptive of wisdom, God, participating in nothing, is himself Father of his own Wisdom, and those who participate in it are usually called wise. And Wisdom itself is not a passion or a part, but the proper offspring of the Father. For this reason he is always Father, and “Father” was not added to God later, lest he be thought changeable too. For if it is good that he is Father, but he was not always Father, then the good was not always in him.

Num 23:19 (quotation, medium confidence) · Heb 1:3 (allusion, medium confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius explains that God begets without passion or division, as the titles Word, Wisdom, and radiance show, and that he is always Father.

  • “Passion” (πάθος) means undergoing change or being acted upon; “impassible” means incapable of it.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 28 (Bright, 29–30; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 29

29Bright, 30–31

29.‘ Ἀλλʼ ἰδοὺʼ φασὶ, ‘καὶ ἀεὶ ποιητής ἐστιν ὁ Θεὸς, καὶ οὐκ ἐπιγέγονεν αὐτῷ τοῦ δημιουργεῖν ἡ δύναμις· ἆρʼ οὖν, ἐπειδὴ δημιουργός ἐστιν, ἀίδιά ἐστι καὶ τὰ ποιήματα, καὶ οὐ θέμις εἰπεῖν οὐδὲ ἐπὶ τούτων, Οὐκ ἦν πρὶν γενηθῇ; ʼ Ἄφρονες οἱ Ἀρειανοί· τί γὰρ ὅμοιον υἱὸς καὶ ποίημα, ἵνα τὰ ἐπὶ τοῦ πατρὸς ταῦτα καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν δημιουργῶν εἴπωσι; πῶς δὲ, τοσαύτης διαφορᾶς ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν δειχθείσης γεννήματος καὶ ποιήματος, ἐμμένουσι τῇ ἀμαθίᾳ; Πάλιν οὖν τὸ αὐτό λεκτέον· τὸ ποίημα ἔξωθεν τοῦ ποιοῦντός ἐστιν, ὥσπερ εἴρηται, ὁ δὲ υἱὸς ἴδιον τῆς οὐσίας γέννημά ἐστι· διὸ καὶ τὸ μὲν ποίημα οὐκ ἀνάγκη ἀεὶ εἶναι· ὅτε γὰρ βούλεται ὁ δημιουργὸς, ἐργάζεται· τὸ δὲ γέννημα οὐ βουλήσει ὑπόκειται, ἀλλὰ τῆς οὐσίας ἐστὶν ἰδιότης. Καὶ ποιητὴς μὲν ἂν εἴη καὶ λέγοιτο, κἂν μήπω ᾖ τὰ ἔργα· πατὴρ δὲ οὐκ ἂν λεχθείη οὐδʼ ἂν εἴη, μὴ ὑπάρχοντος υἱοῦ. Ἐὰν δὲ περιεργάζωνται διὰ τί ὁ Θεὸς, ἀεὶ δυνάμενος ποιεῖν, οὐκ ἀεὶ ποιεῖ, μαινομένων μὲν καὶ αὕτη ἡ τόλμα. ‘Τίς γὰρ ἔγνω νοῦν Κυρίου, ἢ τίς σύμβουλος αὐτοῦ ἐγένετο;᾿ ἢ πῶς ‘ ἐρεῖ τὸ πλάσμαʼ τῷ κεραμεῖ, ‘ Τί με οὕτως ἐποίησας;᾿ Ἵνα δὲ, κἂν ἀμυδρόν τινα λογισμὸν εὑρόντες, μὴ σιωπήσωμεν, ἀκουέτωσαν ὅτι, εἰ καὶ τῷ Θεῷ δυνατὸν ἀεὶ ποιεῖν, ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἠδύνατο τὰ γενητὰ ἀΐδια εἶναι· ἐξ οὐκ ὄντων γάρ ἐστι, καὶ οὐκ ἧν πρὶν γένηται. Τὰ δὲ οὐκ ὄντα πρὶν γένηται πῶς ἡδύνατο συνυπάρχειν τῷ ἀεὶ ὄντι Θεῷ; Διὸ καὶ πρὸς τὸ λυσιτελὲς αὐτῶν ἀφορῶν ὁ Θεὸς, ὅτε εἶδεν ὅτι δύναται γενόμενα διαμένειν, τότε καὶ πεποίηκε πάντα. Καὶ ὥσπερ δυνάμενος καὶ ἐξ ἀρχῆς ἐπὶ τοῦ Ἀδὰμ, ἢ ἐπὶ Νῶε, ἢ ἐπὶ Μωϋσέως ἀποστεῖλαι τὸν ἑαυτοῦ Λόγον, οὐκ ἀπέστειλεν εἰ μὴ ἐπὶ συντελείᾳ τῶν αἰώνων·᾿ τοῦτο γὰρ εἶδε λυσιτελεῖν πάσῃ τῇ κτίσει· οὕτω καὶ τὰ γενητὰ, ὅτε ἠθέλησε καὶ λυσιτελὲς ἦν αὐτοῖς, ἐποίησεν. Ὁ δέ γε Υἱὸς, οὐκ ὢν ποίημα, ἀλλʼ ἴδιος τῆς οὐσίας τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἀεὶ ἔστιν· ἀεὶ γὰρ ὄντος τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἀεὶ εἶναι δεῖ καὶ τὸ ἴδιον τῆς οὐσίας αὐτοῦ, ὅπερ ἐστὶν ὁ Λόγος αὐτοῦ καὶ ἡ Σοφία. Καὶ τὰ μὲν κτίσματα κἂν μηδέπω ὑπάρχῃ. οὐκ ἐλαττοῖ τὸν ποιητήν· ἔχει γὰρ τὸ δύνασθαι δημιουργεῖν, ὅτε βούλεται· τὸ δὲ γέννημα, ἐὰν μὴ ἀεὶ συνῇ τῷ Πατρὶ, ἐλάττωμα τῆς τελειότητος τῆς οὐσίας αὐτοῦ ἐστιν. Ὅθεν τὰ μὲν ποιήματα, ὅτε ἠθέλησεν, ἐδημιουργήθη διὰ τοῦ Λόγου αὐτοῦ· ὁ δὲ Υἱὸς ἀεί ἐστιν ἴδιον γέννημα τῆς τοῦ Πατρὸς οὐσίας.

29.‘ Allʼ idouʼ phasi, ‘kai aei poiētēs estin ho Theos, kai ouk epigegonen autǭ tou dēmiourgein hē dynamis; arʼ oun, epeidē dēmiourgos estin, aidia esti kai ta poiēmata, kai ou themis eipein oude epi toutōn, Ouk ēn prin genēthę̄? ʼ Aphrones hoi Areianoi; ti gar homoion huios kai poiēma, hina ta epi tou patros tauta kai epi tōn dēmiourgōn eipōsi? pōs de, tosautēs diaphoras en tois emprosthen deichtheisēs gennēmatos kai poiēmatos, emmenousi tę̄ amathią? Palin oun to auto lekteon; to poiēma exōthen tou poiountos estin, hōsper eirētai, ho de huios idion tēs ousias gennēma esti; dio kai to men poiēma ouk anankē aei einai; hote gar bouletai ho dēmiourgos, ergazetai; to de gennēma ou boulēsei hypokeitai, alla tēs ousias estin idiotēs. Kai poiētēs men an eiē kai legoito, kan mēpō ę̄ ta erga; patēr de ouk an lechtheiē oudʼ an eiē, mē hyparchontos huiou. Ean de periergazōntai dia ti ho Theos, aei dynamenos poiein, ouk aei poiei, mainomenōn men kai hautē hē tolma. ‘Tis gar egnō noun Kyriou, ē tis symboulos autou egeneto?᾿ ē pōs ‘ erei to plasmaʼ tǭ keramei, ‘ Ti me houtōs epoiēsas?᾿ Hina de, kan amydron tina logismon heurontes, mē siōpēsōmen, akouetōsan hoti, ei kai tǭ Theǭ dynaton aei poiein, allʼ ouk ēdynato ta genēta aïdia einai; ex ouk ontōn gar esti, kai ouk hēn prin genētai. Ta de ouk onta prin genētai pōs hēdynato synyparchein tǭ aei onti Theǭ? Dio kai pros to lysiteles autōn aphorōn ho Theos, hote eiden hoti dynatai genomena diamenein, tote kai pepoiēke panta. Kai hōsper dynamenos kai ex archēs epi tou Adam, ē epi Nōe, ē epi Mōÿseōs aposteilai ton heautou Logon, ouk apesteilen ei mē epi synteleią tōn aiōnōn;᾿ touto gar eide lysitelein pasę̄ tę̄ ktisei; houtō kai ta genēta, hote ēthelēse kai lysiteles ēn autois, epoiēsen. Ho de ge Huios, ouk ōn poiēma, allʼ idios tēs ousias tou Patros, aei estin; aei gar ontos tou Patros, aei einai dei kai to idion tēs ousias autou, hoper estin ho Logos autou kai hē Sophia. Kai ta men ktismata kan mēdepō hyparchę̄. ouk elattoi ton poiētēn; echei gar to dynasthai dēmiourgein, hote bouletai; to de gennēma, ean mē aei synę̄ tǭ Patri, elattōma tēs teleiotētos tēs ousias autou estin. Hothen ta men poiēmata, hote ēthelēsen, edēmiourgēthē dia tou Logou autou; ho de Huios aei estin idion gennēma tēs tou Patros ousias.

29. “But look,” they say, “God is also always a maker, and the power to create was not added to him later. Since he is creator, then, are his works eternal too, and is it not right to say of them either, ‘They were not before they came to be’?” Senseless Arians! What likeness is there between a son and a work, that they should say of creators what applies to a father? And how, when so great a difference between offspring and work has been shown above, do they persist in their ignorance? The same must be said again, then: the work is outside its maker, as has been said, but the son is the proper offspring of the substance. So the work need not always exist, for the craftsman works when he wishes; but the offspring is not subject to will, but is a property of the substance. And one could be and be called a maker even if the works do not yet exist; but one could not be called a father, nor be one, if no son exists. And if they meddle with the question why God, who is always able to make, does not always make, this daring too belongs to madmen. For “who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counsellor?” Or how will “the thing formed say” to the potter, “Why have you made me thus?” But so that we may not keep silent, even if we find only a faint argument, let them hear that, although God is always able to make, yet originated things could not be eternal; for they are from nothing, and were not before they came to be. And how could things that were not before they came to be coexist with God, who always is? Therefore God, looking to what was profitable for them, made all things when he saw that, once they had come to be, they could endure. And just as, although he was able from the beginning, in the time of Adam or Noah or Moses, to send his own Word, he did not send him until “the consummation of the ages” (for he saw that this was profitable for all creation), so too he made originated things when he wished and when it was profitable for them. But the Son, not being a work but proper to the Father's substance, always is. For since the Father always is, what is proper to his substance, which is his Word and Wisdom, must always be too. And the creatures, even if they do not yet exist, do not lessen the maker, for he has the ability to create when he wishes; but the offspring, if it is not always with the Father, is a lessening of the completeness of his substance. Hence the works were created through his Word when he wished; but the Son is always the proper offspring of the Father's substance.

Rom 11:34 (quotation, high confidence) · Rom 9:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Heb 9:26 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius answers that God's being always a maker does not make creatures eternal, since a work depends on will but the Son belongs to the Father's substance.

Topics: Christology, Trinity

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 29 (Bright, 30–31; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 30

30Bright, 31–32

30. Ταῦτα τοὺς μὲν πιστοὺς εὐφραίνει, τοὺς δὲ αἱρετικοὺς λυπεῖ βλέποντας ἀναιρουμένην αὐτῶν τὴν αἵρεσιν· καὶ γὰρ κἀκείνη πάλιν αὐτῶν ἡ ἐρώτησις ἐν τῷ λέγειν, ‘ Ἓν τὸ ἀγένητον, ἢ δύο; ᾿ οὐκ ὀρθὴν αὐτῶν δείκνυσι τὴν διάνοιαν, ἀλλʼ ὕποπτον καὶ δόλου μεστήν. Οὐ γὰρ ἐπὶ τιμῇ τοῦ Πατρὸς οὕτως ἐρωτῶσιν, ἀλλʼ ἐπὶ ἀτιμίᾳ τοῦ Λόγου. Ἄν γοῦν τις, ἀγνοῶν τὴν πανουργίαν αὐτῶν, ἀποκρίνηται, ‘ Ἓν τὸ ἀγένητον, ʼ εὐθὺς τὸν ἑαυτῶν ἰὸν ἐξεμοῦσι λέγοντες· ‘Οὐκοῦν ὁ Υἱὸς τῶν γενητῶν ἐστι, καὶ καλῶς εἰρήκαμεν, Οὐκ ἦν πρὶν γενηθῇ.᾿ Πάντα γὰρ φυρῶσι καὶ κυκῶσιν, ἵνα μόνον διαστήσωσι τὸν Λόγον ἀπὸ τοῦ Πατρὸς, καὶ τὸν δημιουργὸν τῶν ὅλων τοῖς ποιήμασι συναριθμήσωσι. Πρῶτον μὲν οὖν καὶ κατὰ τοῦτο καταγνώσεώς εἰσιν ἄξιοι, ὅτι μεμφόμενοι τοῖς ἐν Νικαίᾳ συνελθοῦσιν ἐπισκόποις ὡς ἀγράφοις χρησαμένοις λέξεσι, καίτοι μὴ δυσφήμοις, ἀλλʼ ἐπʼ ἀναιρέσει τῆς ἀσεβείας αὐτῶν κειμέναις, ηὐτομόλησαν εἰς τὴν αὐτὴν αἰτίαν αὐτοὶ ἐξ ἀγράφων φθεγγόμενοι, καὶ ἐπινοοῦντες λοιδορίας κατὰ τοῦ Κυρίου, ‘ μὴ γινώσκοντες μήτε ἃ λέγουσι, μήτε περὶ τίνων διαβεβαιοῦνται.᾿ Ἐρωτησάτωσαν γοῦν Ἕλληνας, παρʼ ὦν ἥκουσαν· (οὐ γὰρ τῶν γραφῶν, ἀλλʼ ἐκείνων ἐστὶν εὕρεμα·) ἵνα ἀκούσαντες πόσα σημαινόμενα ἡ λέξις ἔχει, μάθωσιν ὅτι οὐδὲ περὶ ὧν λέγουσιν ἐπίστανται καλῶς ἐρωτᾷν. Κἀγὼ γὰρ διʼ αὐτοὺς ἐπυθόμην λέγεσθαι ἀγένητον τὸ μηδέπω μὲν γενόμενον, δυνάμενον δὲ γενέσθαι, ʼ ὡς τὸ ξύλον τὸ μήπω μὲν γενόμενον, δυνάμενον δὲ γενέσθαι σκάφος. Καὶ αὖθις ἀγένητον λέγεσθαι τὸ ‘μήτε γενόμενον, μήτε δυνάμενον γενέσθαι ποτὲ, ʼ ὡς τὸ τρίγωνον τετράγωνον, καὶ ὁ ἄρτιος ἀριθμὸς περιττός. Οὔτε γὰρ τὸ τρίγωνον γέγονέ ποτε τετράγωνον, οὔτε γένοιτʼ ἄν ποτε· ἀλλʼ οὔτε ὁ ἄρτιος γέγονέ ποτε περιττὸς, οὔτε γένοιτʼ ἄν ποτε περιττός. Λέγεται δὲ πάλιν ἀγένητον τὸ ‘ ὑπάρχον μὲν, μὴ γενηθὲν δὲ ἔκ τινος, μηδὲ ὅλως ἔχον ἑαυτοῦ τινα πατέρα. Προσέθηκε δὲ καὶ ὁ πανοῦργος σοφιστὴς Ἀστέριος, ὁ καὶ τῆς αἱρέσεως συνήγορος, ἐν τῷ ἰδίῳ συνταγματίῳ λέγων, ἀγένητον εἶναι τὸ ‘ μὴ ποιηθὲν, ἀλλʼ ἀεὶ ὄν.᾿ Κατὰ ποῖον οὖν σημαινόμενον νοοῦσι τὸ ἀγένητον, ἔδει προστιθέντας αὐτοὺς ἐρωτᾷν, ἵνα καὶ ὁ ἐρωτώμενος ὀρθῶς ἀποκρίνηται.

30. Tauta tous men pistous euphrainei, tous de hairetikous lypei blepontas anairoumenēn autōn tēn hairesin; kai gar kakeinē palin autōn hē erōtēsis en tǭ legein, ‘ Hen to agenēton, ē dyo? ᾿ ouk orthēn autōn deiknysi tēn dianoian, allʼ hypopton kai dolou mestēn. Ou gar epi timę̄ tou Patros houtōs erōtōsin, allʼ epi atimią tou Logou. An goun tis, agnoōn tēn panourgian autōn, apokrinētai, ‘ Hen to agenēton, ʼ euthys ton heautōn ion exemousi legontes; ‘Oukoun ho Huios tōn genētōn esti, kai kalōs eirēkamen, Ouk ēn prin genēthę̄.᾿ Panta gar phyrōsi kai kykōsin, hina monon diastēsōsi ton Logon apo tou Patros, kai ton dēmiourgon tōn holōn tois poiēmasi synarithmēsōsi. Prōton men oun kai kata touto katagnōseōs eisin axioi, hoti memphomenoi tois en Nikaią synelthousin episkopois hōs agraphois chrēsamenois lexesi, kaitoi mē dysphēmois, allʼ epʼ anairesei tēs asebeias autōn keimenais, ēutomolēsan eis tēn autēn aitian autoi ex agraphōn phthengomenoi, kai epinoountes loidorias kata tou Kyriou, ‘ mē ginōskontes mēte ha legousi, mēte peri tinōn diabebaiountai.᾿ Erōtēsatōsan goun Hellēnas, parʼ ōn hēkousan; (ou gar tōn graphōn, allʼ ekeinōn estin heurema;) hina akousantes posa sēmainomena hē lexis echei, mathōsin hoti oude peri hōn legousin epistantai kalōs erōtąn. Kagō gar diʼ autous epythomēn legesthai agenēton to mēdepō men genomenon, dynamenon de genesthai, ʼ hōs to xylon to mēpō men genomenon, dynamenon de genesthai skaphos. Kai authis agenēton legesthai to ‘mēte genomenon, mēte dynamenon genesthai pote, ʼ hōs to trigōnon tetragōnon, kai ho artios arithmos perittos. Oute gar to trigōnon gegone pote tetragōnon, oute genoitʼ an pote; allʼ oute ho artios gegone pote perittos, oute genoitʼ an pote perittos. Legetai de palin agenēton to ‘ hyparchon men, mē genēthen de ek tinos, mēde holōs echon heautou tina patera. Prosethēke de kai ho panourgos sophistēs Asterios, ho kai tēs haireseōs synēgoros, en tǭ idiǭ syntagmatiǭ legōn, agenēton einai to ‘ mē poiēthen, allʼ aei on.᾿ Kata poion oun sēmainomenon noousi to agenēton, edei prostithentas autous erōtąn, hina kai ho erōtōmenos orthōs apokrinētai.

30. These things gladden the faithful, but grieve the heretics, who see their heresy destroyed. And that further question of theirs, when they say, “Is the unoriginate one, or two?” shows their thinking to be not upright but suspect and full of guile. For they do not ask this for the honor of the Father, but for the dishonor of the Word. So if anyone, not knowing their craftiness, answers, “The unoriginate is one,” they at once vomit out their poison, saying, “Then the Son is one of the things originated, and we were right to say, ‘He was not before he came to be.’” For they mix up and stir up everything, only so that they may separate the Word from the Father and count the creator of all things among his works. First, then, they deserve condemnation on this score: while blaming the bishops who met at Nicaea for using words not found in Scripture (words that were not blasphemous, but were set down to destroy their impiety), they themselves have deserted to the same charge by uttering words not found in Scripture and devising insults against the Lord, “understanding neither what they say nor the things about which they make confident assertions.” Let them ask the Greeks, from whom they heard it (for it is not an invention of the Scriptures but of theirs), so that, hearing how many meanings the word has, they may learn that they do not even know how to ask properly about the things they speak of. For because of them I too have inquired, and learned that “unoriginate” is said of what “has not yet come to be but can come to be,” as wood that has not yet become a boat but can become one. And again “unoriginate” is said of what “neither has come to be nor can ever come to be,” as a triangle that is square, or an even number that is odd; for a triangle has never become square, nor could it ever, and an even number has never become odd, nor could it ever. And again “unoriginate” is said of what “exists, but has not come to be from anyone, nor has any father at all.” And the crafty sophist Asterius, the advocate of the heresy, added in his own little treatise that “unoriginate” is what is “not made, but always is.” So they ought to have added in what sense they understand “unoriginate” when they ask, so that the one questioned might answer correctly.

1 Tim 1:7 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Athanasius exposes the Arian question “Is the unoriginate one or two?” as a trap and sets out the different meanings of “unoriginate.”

  • “Unoriginate” renders ἀγένητος (not having come into being), as distinct from ἀγέννητος (unbegotten); the two were easily confused, which is part of Athanasius's point. Asterius “the sophist” (d. after 341) was an early defender of Arius; his treatise (Syntagmation) survives only in quotations.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip: ο for α (πάλιν).): πόλιν αὐτῶν → πάλιν αὐτῶν.

Topics: Trinity, Heresy

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 30 (Bright, 31–32; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 31

31Bright, 32–33

31. Εἰ δὲ νομίζουσι καλῶς ἐρωτᾷν, ἐν τῷ λέγειν, ‘ Ἓν τὸ ἀγένητον, ἢ δύο; ʼ ἀκούσονται πρῶτον μὲν, ὡς ἀμαθεῖς, πολλά τε εἶναι καὶ οὐδὲν, πλεῖστα μὲν τὰ ‘δυνάμενα γενέσθαι, ’ οὐδὲν δὲ τὸ ‘ μὴ δυνάμενον, ὥσπερ εἴρηται. Εἰ δὲ, ὡς Ἀστερίῳ ἤρεσε τὸ μὴ ποίημα, ἀλλʼ ἀεὶ ὂν, ἀγένητον εἶναι, οὕτως ἐρωτῶσιν· ἀκουέτωσαν οὐχ ἅπαξ, ἀλλὰ πολλάκις, ὅτι καὶ ὁ Υἱὸς οὕτω κατὰ ταύτην τὴν ἐκδοχὴν ἀγένητος ἂν λεχθείη. Οὔτε γὰρ τῶν γενητῶν, οὔτε ποίημά ἐστιν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀϊδίως σύνεστι τῷ Πατρὶ, ὥσπερ καὶ ἤδη δέδεικται, κἂν πολλάκις μεταβάλλωνται, ἵνα μόνον κατὰ τοῦ Κυρίου λέγωσιν, ‘ἐξ οὐκ ὄντων ἐστὶ, ʼ καὶ ‘ οὐκ ἦν πρὶν γεννηθῇ.’ Πάντων δὴ οὖν ἐκπίπτοντες, ἐὰν καὶ ἐκεῖνο θελήσωσι λοιπὸν ἐρωτᾶν κατὰ τὸ ‘ ὑπάρχον μὲν, μήτε δὲ γεννηθὲν ἔκ τινος, μήτε ἔχον ἑαυτοῦ πατέρα, ʼ ἀκούσονται μὲν καὶ παρʼ ἡμῶν τὸν οὕτω σημαινόμενον ἕνα καὶ μόνον ἀγένητον εἶναι τὸν Πατέρα, οὐδὲν δὲ πλέον ἕξουσιν ἐκ τοῦ τοιαῦτα ἀκούειν αὐτούς. Οὐδὲ γὰρ τὸ οὕτως ἀγένητον λέγεσθαι τὸν Θεὸν δείκνυσι γενητὸν εἶναι τὸν Υἱὸν, δήλου ὄντος κατὰ τὰς προειρημένας ἀποδείξεις τοιοῦτον εἶναι τὸν Λόγον, οἷός ἐστιν ὁ γεννήσας αὐτόν, Οὐκοῦν εἰ ἀγένητος ὁ Θεὸς, οὐ γενητὴ, ἀλλὰ γέννημά ἐστιν ἡ τούτου εἰκὼν, ἥτις ἐστὶν ὁ Λόγος αὐτοῦ καὶ ἡ Σοφία. Ποία γὰρ ἐμφέρεια τῷ γενητῷ πρὸς τὸ ἀγένητον; (πάλιν γὰρ τὰ αὐτὰ λέγειν οὐκ ὀκνητέον·) ἐπεὶ εἰ ὅμοιον τὸ γενητὸν τῷ ἀγενήτῳ θέλουσιν, ὡς τὸν ὁρῶντα τοῦτο βλέπειν ἐκεῖνο, οὐ μακράν εἰσιν εἰπεῖν, ὅτι καὶ τὸ ἀγένητον καὶ κτισμάτων ἐστὶν εἰκὼν, καὶ λοιπὸν πέφυρται πάντα παρʼ αὐτοῖς, γενητῶν μὲν ἐξίσωσις πρὸς τὸ ἀγενήτον, ἀγενήτου δὲ καθαίρεσις μετρουμένου πρὸς τὰ ποιήματα, ἵνα μόνον τὸν Υἱὸν ἐν τοῖς ποιήμασι καταγάγωσιν.

31. Ei de nomizousi kalōs erōtąn, en tǭ legein, ‘ Hen to agenēton, ē dyo? ʼ akousontai prōton men, hōs amatheis, polla te einai kai ouden, pleista men ta ‘dynamena genesthai, ’ ouden de to ‘ mē dynamenon, hōsper eirētai. Ei de, hōs Asteriǭ ērese to mē poiēma, allʼ aei on, agenēton einai, houtōs erōtōsin; akouetōsan ouch hapax, alla pollakis, hoti kai ho Huios houtō kata tautēn tēn ekdochēn agenētos an lechtheiē. Oute gar tōn genētōn, oute poiēma estin, alla kai aïdiōs synesti tǭ Patri, hōsper kai ēdē dedeiktai, kan pollakis metaballōntai, hina monon kata tou Kyriou legōsin, ‘ex ouk ontōn esti, ʼ kai ‘ ouk ēn prin gennēthę̄.’ Pantōn dē oun ekpiptontes, ean kai ekeino thelēsōsi loipon erōtan kata to ‘ hyparchon men, mēte de gennēthen ek tinos, mēte echon heautou patera, ʼ akousontai men kai parʼ hēmōn ton houtō sēmainomenon hena kai monon agenēton einai ton Patera, ouden de pleon hexousin ek tou toiauta akouein autous. Oude gar to houtōs agenēton legesthai ton Theon deiknysi genēton einai ton Huion, dēlou ontos kata tas proeirēmenas apodeixeis toiouton einai ton Logon, hoios estin ho gennēsas auton, Oukoun ei agenētos ho Theos, ou genētē, alla gennēma estin hē toutou eikōn, hētis estin ho Logos autou kai hē Sophia. Poia gar emphereia tǭ genētǭ pros to agenēton? (palin gar ta auta legein ouk oknēteon;) epei ei homoion to genēton tǭ agenētǭ thelousin, hōs ton horōnta touto blepein ekeino, ou makran eisin eipein, hoti kai to agenēton kai ktismatōn estin eikōn, kai loipon pephyrtai panta parʼ autois, genētōn men exisōsis pros to agenēton, agenētou de kathairesis metroumenou pros ta poiēmata, hina monon ton Huion en tois poiēmasi katagagōsin.

31. But if they think they are asking properly when they say, “Is the unoriginate one, or two?” they will hear first, as ignorant men, that there are both many and none: very many that “can come to be,” and none that “cannot,” as has been said. And if they ask in the sense Asterius favored, that what is not a work but always is, is unoriginate, let them hear not once but many times that the Son too could in this sense be called unoriginate. For he is neither one of the things originated nor a work, but exists eternally with the Father, as has already been shown, even if they change their ground many times only to say against the Lord, “He is from nothing,” and “He was not before he was begotten.” So, failing at every point, if they finally choose to ask in the sense of “what exists, but has neither been begotten from anyone nor has a father of its own,” they will hear from us too that in this sense the unoriginate is one and only, the Father; but they will gain nothing more by hearing it. For God's being called unoriginate in this sense does not show that the Son is originated, since it is clear from the proofs already given that the Word is such as the one who begot him. So if God is unoriginate, his image, which is his Word and Wisdom, is not originated but an offspring. For what resemblance does the originated have to the unoriginate? (One must not shrink from saying the same things again.) For if they want the originated to be like the unoriginate, so that whoever sees the one sees the other, they are not far from saying that the unoriginate is the image of creatures too; and then everything is confused by them: things originated made equal to the unoriginate, and the unoriginate brought down by being measured against the works, only so that they may bring the Son down among the works.

Notes and citation

Summary: Athanasius shows that in any of its senses the word “unoriginate” gives the Arians no ground for making the Son originated.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Letter dropped in the digital text (ἐρωτᾶν).): ἐρωᾷν → ἐρωτᾷν.

Topics: Trinity, Christology

Cite (SBL): Athanasius, C. Ar. 31 (Bright, 32–33; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/athanasius-oratio-1/21/#p-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Bright (1884); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with NPNF² 4.