Against Celsus 6.74

Summary: Celsus rehearses Marcion's views and ridicules the idea of rival sons of rival gods fighting like quails, but Origen says such buffoonery only shows that Celsus lacks serious arguments.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:143–144

Εἶθʼ ἑξῆς ἐπαναλαμβάνει πολλάκις ἤδη εἰπὼν τὰ περὶ τῆς γνώμης Μαρκίωνος, καὶ πῇ μὲν ἀληθῶς τὰ Μαρκίωνος ἐκτίθεται πῇ δὲ κἀκείνων παρήκουσεν· πρὸς ἣν οὐκ ἀναγκαῖον ἡμᾶς ἀπαντᾶν ἢ καὶ ἐλέγχειν. εἶτα πάλιν ἑαυτῷ ἐπιφέρει τὰ ὑπὲρ Μαρκίωνος καὶ τὰ κατʼ αὐτοῦ λέγων, τίνα μὲν ἐκφεύγουσι τῶν ἐγκλημάτων τίσι δὲ περιπίπτουσι· καὶ ὅτε βούλεται συναγορεύειν τῷ φάσκοντι λόγῳ πεπροφητεῦσθαι αὐτὸν, ἵνα κατηγορήσῃ Μαρκίωνος καὶ τῶν ἀπʼ αὐτοῦ. σαφῶς φησιν ὅτι πόθεν ἀποδειχθήσεται θεοῦ παῖς ὁ τοιαῦτα κολασθεὶς. εἰ μὴ περὶ τούτου προείρηται; εἶτα πάλιν παίζει καὶ, ὡς ἔθος αὐτῷ, χλευάζει δύο εἰσάγων υἱοὺς θεῶν, τοῦ δημιουργοῦ ἕνα καὶ τοῦ κατὰ Μαρκίωνα θεοῦ ἕτερον, καὶ ἀναζωγραφεῖ αὐτῶν μονομαχίας, λέγων αὐτὰς εἶναι ὡς τῶν ὀρτύγων, καὶ τῶν πατέρων θεομαχίας· ἢ διὰ γῆρας ἀχρήστους αὐτοὺς ὄντας καὶ ληροῦντας μηδὲν μὲν ἀλλήλους διατιθέναι, ἐᾶν δὲ τοὺς παῖδας μάχεσθαι. ὅπερ οὖν εἶπεν ἐν τοῖς ἀνωτέρω, τοῦτο φήσομεν πρὸς αὐτόν· ποία γραῦς καταβαυκαλῶσα παιδίον οὐκ αἰδεσθήσεται τοιαῦτα λέγειν, ὁποῖα οὗτος ἐν τῷ ἐπιγραφομένῳ ἀληθεῖ λόγῳ; δέον γὰρ αὐτὸν πραγματικῶς στῆναι πρὸς τοὺς λόγους, ὁ δὲ ἐάσας τὰ πράγματα παίζει καὶ βωμολοχεῖ οἰόμενος μίμους γράφειν ἤ τινα σκώμματα, οὐχ ὁρῶν ὅτι ἡ τοιαύτη ἀγωγὴ τῶν λόγων παρὰ τὴν πρόθεσιν τὴν αὐτοῦ ἐστι, βουλομένου καταλιπόντας ἡμᾶς χριστιανισμὸν προσέχειν αὐτοῦ τοῖς δόγμασιν· ἅτινα εἰ μὲν ἐσεμνολόγει, τάχα πιθανώτερα ἦν· ἐπεὶ δὲ χλευάζει καὶ παίζει καὶ βωμολοχεῖ, φήσομεν ὅτι ἀπορίᾳ σεμνῶν λόγων (οὐ γὰρ εἶχεν αὐτοὺς οὐδὲ ἠπίστατο) εἰς τοσαύτην ἐνέπεσε φλυαρίαν.

English · Claude translation

Next he repeats what he has already said many times about the opinion of Marcion; in part he sets out Marcion's views truly, and in part he has misunderstood them too. We need not answer or refute this. Then again he brings up for himself what may be said for Marcion and against him, saying which charges they escape and which they fall into; and when he wishes to support the argument that says Jesus was prophesied, so as to accuse Marcion and his followers, he says plainly: How will one who was punished in this way be shown to be the child of God, unless this had been foretold about him? Then again he jests and, as is his habit, mocks, bringing in two sons of gods, one of the Creator and the other of Marcion's god, and paints their single combats, saying they are like those of quails, and the battles of their fathers, who, being useless from old age and doting, do nothing to each other but let their sons fight. What he said above we shall say to him: What old woman lulling a child to sleep would not be ashamed to say such things as he says in the book entitled The True Word? For he ought to have stood up to the arguments in a businesslike way; but he leaves aside the matters themselves and jests and plays the buffoon, thinking he is writing mimes or lampoons, not seeing that such a way of arguing is contrary to his own purpose, since he wishes us to abandon Christianity and pay attention to his doctrines. If he had set these out seriously, they might perhaps have been more persuasive; but since he mocks, jests, and plays the buffoon, we shall say that it was for lack of serious arguments (for he did not have them and did not know them) that he fell into such nonsense.

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Source
Koetschau 2:143–144 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Topics
Heresy, Christology

Notes

Translation notes

  • Marcion taught that the good Father of Jesus was a different god from the Creator of the Old Testament.

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Origen, Cels. 6.74 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/74/).

Plain text
Origen, Cels. 6.74 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/74/).

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