Tractates on the Gospel of John 23.2–23.12

Latin text: Migne, PL 35 (Latin text: Migne, Patrologia Latina, digitized by Open Greek and Latin (patrologia_latina-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 7 (1888).

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Chapter 23

23.2PL 35:1581–1583

Hodierna lectio de testimonio Domini nobis locuta est, quia non habeat necessarium ab hominibus testimonium, sed habeat majus quam sunt homines; atque id testimonium dixit quid sit: Opera, inquit, quæ ego facio, testimonium perhibent de me. Deinde adjunxit: Et testimonium perhibet de me, qui misit me Pater. Ipsa quoque opera quæ facit, a Patre se acce­ pisse dicit. Testimonium ergo perhibent opera, testi­ monium perhibet Pater. Nullumne testimonium perhi­ buit Joannes? Perhibuit plane, sed tanquam lucerna, non ad satiandos amicos, sed ad confundendos inimi­ ces: jam enim antea praedictum erat a persona Patris, Paravi lucernam Christo meo: inimicos ejus induam confusione; super ipsum autem efflorebit sancti­ ficatio mea. Esto tanquam in nocte positus, attendisti in lucernam, et miratus es lucernam, et exsultasti ad lumen lucernæ: sed illa lucerna dicit esse solem, in quo exsultare debeas; et quamvis ardeat in nocte, diem te jubet exspectare. Non ergo quia illius hominis testimonio non erat opus. Nam utquid mitteretur, si non erat opus? Sed ne in lucerna remaneat homo, et, lumen Lucernæ sufficere sibi, arbi­ tretur; ideo Dominus nec lucernam illam superfluam dicit fuisse, nec tamen te dicit in lucerna debere rema­ nere. Dicit aliud testimonium Scriptura Dei: ibi utique Deus perhibuit testimonium Filio suo, et in illa Scriptura Judæi spem posuerant, in Lege scilicet Dei, ministrata sibi per Moysen famulum Dei. Scrutamini, inquit, Scripturam, in qua vos putatis vitam œternam habere; ipsa testimonium perhibet de me: et non vultis venire ad me, ut vitam habeatis. Quid vos putatis habere in Scriptura vitam æternam? Ipsam interrogate, cui per­ bibet testimonium; et intelligite quae sit vita æterna. Et quia propter Moysen volebant repudiare Christum, tanquam adversarium institutis praeceptisque Moysi; rursus eosdem ipse convincit tanquam de alia lucerna.

Today's reading has spoken to us about the Lord's testimony: that he does not need testimony from men, but has a testimony greater than men; and he said what that testimony is: “The works,” he says, “which I do bear witness of me.” Then he added: “And the Father who sent me bears witness of me.” The very works that he does, too, he says he received from the Father. So the works bear witness, the Father bears witness. Did John bear no witness? He plainly did, but as a lamp, not to satisfy friends but to confound enemies; for it had been foretold long before in the person of the Father: “I have prepared a lamp for my Christ; his enemies I will clothe with confusion, but upon him shall my sanctification flourish.” Suppose you were placed as if in the night: you looked at the lamp, you admired the lamp, and you rejoiced at the light of the lamp; but that lamp tells you there is a sun in which you ought to rejoice; and though it burns in the night, it bids you wait for the day. So it is not that there was no need of that man's testimony. For why would he be sent, if there was no need? But lest a man stay with the lamp and think the lamp's light enough for him, the Lord neither says that that lamp was superfluous, nor yet says that you ought to stay with the lamp. The Scripture of God speaks another testimony: there certainly God bore witness to his Son; and in that Scripture the Jews had placed their hope, namely in the law of God ministered to them through Moses, the servant of God. “Search the Scriptures,” he says, “in which you think you have eternal life; they bear witness of me; and you will not come to me that you may have life.” Why do you think you have eternal life in the Scripture? Ask it to whom it bears witness, and understand what eternal life is. And because on account of Moses they wanted to reject Christ, as an adversary of the institutions and precepts of Moses, he again convicts them, as if by another lamp.

John 5:36 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:37 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:35 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 132:17 (131:17 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 132:18 (131:18 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:39 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:40 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Christ's works, the Father, John the lamp, and the Scriptures all bear witness to him; the Jews who trusted the Scriptures were directed by them to Christ.

  • John 5:36–40 and Ps 132:17–18 (131:17–18 LXX) are quoted; John as a lamp is John 5:35.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text; stray marks in the digital text): Ilodicrna lectio de testimonio Domini nobis locuta cat → Hodierna lectio de testimonio Domini nobis locuta est; qum ego fucio → quæ ego facio; Deindo → Deinde; misit me PatuI. lpsa → misit me Pater. Ipsa; Perhibuit planc → Perhibuit plane; suncti­ ficaito → sancti­ ficatio; dicit ese solem, in quo exsukare → dicit esse solem, in quo exsultare; Non ergo quia. illius, hominis → Non ergo quia illius hominis; Dommus nec lucernam illam. superfluam → Dominus nec lucernam illam superfluam; rema­ nero. Dicit aliud leslimonium Scriplura Dei: ihi → rema­ nere. Dicit aliud testimonium Scriptura Dei: ibi; Scrif ptura Judæi apem → Scriptura Judæi spem; minislrata → ministrata; Scrip'uram. → Scripturam,; venire ad met ut viltam habeatis. Quid vos potatis → venire ad me, ut vitam habeatis. Quid vos putatis; v.ita æterna → vita æterna; ajia lucerua → alia lucerna.

Topics: Scripture and canon

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.2 (PL 35:1581–1583; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.3PL 35:1583

Omnes enim homines lucernæ, quia et accendi possunt et exstingui. Et lucernæ quidem cum sapiunt, lucent, et spiritu fervent: nam et si ardebant et exstinctæ sunt, etiam putent, Permanserunt enim servi Dei lucernae bonæ ex oleo misericordiae illius, non ex viribus suis. Gratia quippe Dei gratuita, illa oleum lucernarum est. Plus enim illis omnibus laboravi, ait quadam lucerna; et ne viribus suis ardere videretur, adjunxit, Non ego autem, sed gratia Dei mecum. Omnis ergo prophetia ante Domini adventum, lucerna est: de qua dicit Petrus apostolus, Habemus certiorem propheticum sermonem, cui bene facitis intendentes, quemadmodum lucernae lucenti in obscuro loco, donec dies lucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris. Lucernæ itaque Prophetæ, et omnis prophetia una magna lucerna. Quid Apostoli? nonne lucernæ etiam ipsi? Plane lucernæ. Solus enim ille non lucerna. Non enim accenditur et exstinguitur: quia sicut Pater habet vitam in semetipso, sic dedit Filio habere vitam, in semetipso. Lucernae ergo et Apo­ stoli; et gratias agunt, quia et accensi sunt lumine Veritatis, et fervent Spiritu charitatis, et suppetit illis oleum gratiae Dei. Si non essent lucernæ, non diceret illis Dominus, Vos estis lumen mundi. Nam, postea­ quam dixit, Vos estis lumen mundi, ostendit ne tale lumen se putarent, quale dictum est, Erat lumen verum, quod illuminat omnem hominem venientem in hunc mundum. Tunc autem hoc de Domino dictum est, cum a Joanne distingueretur. De Joanne quippe Baptista dictum erat, Non erat ille lumen, sed ut testi­ monium perhiberet de lumine. Et ne diceres, Quomodo lumen non erat, de quo Christus dicit, quia lucerna erat? In comparatione alterius lu­ minis non erat lumen. Erat enim verum lumen, quod illuminat omnem hominem venientem in hunc mundum. Ergo cum et discipulis diceret, Vos estis lumen mundi, ne sibi aliquid tributum putarent, quod de solo Christo intelligendum esset, et ita lucernae vento superbiae exstinguerentur; cum dixisset, Vos estis lumen mundi, continuo subjunxit, Non potest civitas abscondi supra montem constituta, neque accendunt lucernam et ponunt eam sub modio, sed super candelabrum, ut luceat omni­ bus qui in domo sunt. Sed quid, si Apostolos non dixit lucernam, sed accensores lucernæ quam ponerent super candelabrum? Audi quia ipsos dixit lucernam. Sic luceat, inquit, lumen vestrum coram hominibus, ut videntes bona opera vestra glorificent, non vos, sed Patrem vestrum qui in cœlis est.

For all men are lamps, because they can be both lit and put out. And lamps, when they are wise, shine and are fervent in spirit; but if they used to burn and have been put out, they even stink. For the servants of God remained good lamps by the oil of his mercy, not by their own strength. For the free grace of God—that is the oil of the lamps. “For I labored more than all of them,” says a certain lamp; and lest he seem to burn by his own strength, he added, “yet not I, but the grace of God with me.” All prophecy, then, before the Lord's coming, is a lamp; of which the apostle Peter says, “We have the more sure prophetic word, to which you do well to attend, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.” So the prophets are lamps, and all prophecy is one great lamp. What of the apostles? Are they not lamps too? Plainly lamps. For he alone is not a lamp. For he is not lit and put out, because “as the Father has life in himself, so he has given to the Son to have life in himself.” So the apostles too are lamps; and they give thanks, because they have been lit by the light of Truth, and are fervent with the Spirit of love, and the oil of God's grace is supplied to them. If they were not lamps, the Lord would not say to them, “You are the light of the world.” For after he said, “You are the light of the world,” he showed that they should not think themselves such a light as that of which it was said, “That was the true light, which enlightens every man coming into this world.” But this was said of the Lord when he was being distinguished from John. For of John the Baptist it had been said, “He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.” And lest you say, “How was he not the light, of whom Christ says that he was a lamp?”—in comparison with the other light he was not light. For “that was the true light, which enlightens every man coming into this world.” So when he said to the disciples too, “You are the light of the world,” lest they think something had been attributed to them that was to be understood of Christ alone, and so the lamps be put out by the wind of pride, having said, “You are the light of the world,” he at once added, “A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; nor do they light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a lampstand, that it may give light to all who are in the house.” But what if he did not call the apostles the lamp, but the lighters of the lamp that they were to set on the lampstand? Hear that he called them the lamp: “Let your light so shine,” he says, “before men, that seeing your good works they may glorify,” not you, but “your Father who is in heaven.”

1 Cor 15:10 (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Pet 1:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:26 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:15 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 5:16 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:9 (quotation, high confidence) · John 1:8 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:35 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Prophets and apostles are lamps lit by grace and liable to go out; Christ alone is the true light that is never extinguished.

  • 1 Cor 15:10, 2 Pet 1:19, John 5:26, Matt 5:14–16, and John 1:8–9 are quoted.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text; stray marks in the digital text; words run together in the digital text): Omnes enim, homines lucernæ, quia, et, accendi → Omnes enim homines lucernæ, quia et accendi; lucernæ quidem com sapiunt → lucernæ quidem cum sapiunt; illius, uon ex viribus → illius, non ex viribus; Plus enim illis, omnibus → Plus enim illis omnibus; aed gratia Dei mecum → sed gratia Dei mecum; Hubemus → Habemus; bene facilis → bene facitis; donee dies → donec dies; nen lucernæ → nonne lucernæ; exstinguitur.: → exstinguitur:; Vcritaiis → Veritatis; Incernæ → lucernæ; ne talc lumen → ne tale lumen; Erat. lumen → Erat lumen; Tunc aulem → Tunc autem; Erat enin verum → Erat enim verum; discipulis diccret → discipulis diceret; sibialiquid → sibi aliquid; exstinguerentur.; → exstinguerentur;; sub modia → sub modio; PatreM → Patrem.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.3 (PL 35:1583; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne PL 35 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin), then compared batch by batch with the public-domain English of NPNF¹ 7 (Gibb and Innes, 1888); differences checked against the Latin.

23.4PL 35:1583

Ergo et Moyses perhibuit testimonium Christo, et Joannes perhibuit testimonium Christo, et cæteri Prophetae et Apostoli perhibuerunt testimonium Chri­ sto. His omnibus testimoniis præponit testimonium operum suorum. Quia et per illos nonnisi Deus perhibuit testimonium Filio suo, Sed perhibet alio modo, Deus testimonium Filio suo: per ipsum Filium suum indicat Deus Filium, indicat se per Filium, Ad hunc si po­ tuerit homo pervenire, nec lucernis indigebit, et vere fodiendo altius, ædificium perducet ad petram.

So Moses too bore witness to Christ, and John bore witness to Christ, and the other prophets and apostles bore witness to Christ. Above all these testimonies he sets the testimony of his own works. For through those men too it was none other than God who bore witness to his Son. But God bears witness to his Son in another way: through the Son himself God makes the Son known; he makes himself known through the Son. If a man can reach him, he will not need lamps, and, truly digging deeper, he will carry his building down to the rock.

John 5:36 (allusion, high confidence) · John 5:46 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Above the witness of Moses, John, prophets, and apostles stands the witness of Christ's works, through which God makes himself known in the Son.

  • John 5:36, 46 are drawn on.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): præponit. testimonium oporum suorum. Quia et per illas nonnisi. Deus perhibait → præponit testimonium operum suorum. Quia et per illos nonnisi Deus perhibuit; aJio modo → alio modo; indicat Deus. Filium, indicat se pec Filium → indicat Deus Filium, indicat se per Filium; et verc lodiendo → et vere fodiendo.

Topics: Christology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.4 (PL 35:1583; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.5PL 35:1583–1585

Facilis est ergo, fratres, hodierna lectio: sed propter hesternum debitum (scio enim quid distulerim, non abstulerim, et Dominus dignatus est donare etiam hodie loqui ad vos), recordamini quid reposcere debeatis, si forte aliquo modo servata pietate et salubri humilitate, extendamus nos non adversus Deum, sed ad Deum; et levemus ad eum animam nostram, effundentes eam super nos, sicut ille in Psalmo, cui dicebatur, Ubi est Deus tuus? Hœc, inquit, meditatus sum, et effudi super me animam meam. Levemus ergo animam ad Deum, non contra Deum; quia et hoc dictum est, Ad te, Domine, levavi animam meam. Et levemus adjuvante ipso; nam gravis est. Unde autem gravis est? Quia corpus quod corrumpitur aggravat animam, et deprimit terrena inhabitatio sensum multa cogitantem. Ne forte ergo possimus sensum nostrum a multis colligere ad unum, et evulsum a multis relevare ad unum (quod quidem non poterimus, ut dixi, nisi ad­ juvet ille qui ad se vult levari animas nostras), et contingamus ex aliqua parte, quomodo Verbum Dei unicus Patri, coæternus et aequalis Patri, non faciat nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem, cum tamen Pater ipse non faciat aliquid nisi per Filium videntem. Videtur mihi quoniam Dominus Jesus in hoc loco magnum quiddam insinuare volens intentis, et infun­ dere capacibus, incapaces autem excitare ad studium, ut nondum intelligentes bene vivendo capaces fiant, insinuavit nobis animam humanam, et mentem ratio­ nalem, quæ inest homini, non inest pecori, non vege­ tari, non beatificari, non illuminari, nisi ab ipsa substantia. Dei: eamque animam facere aliquid per corpus et de corpore, atque habere subjectum corpus, et per corporalia mulceri posse sensus corporis vel offendi, et propter hoc, id est propter consortium quoddam animæ et corporis in hac vita atque com­ plexu, delectari animam lenitis, vel contristari offensis corporis sensibus; beatitudinem tamen ejus qua fit beata ipsa anima, non fieri nisi participatione illius vitae semper vivae, incommutabilis, æternæque sub­ stantiæ, quae Deus est: ut quomodo anima quæ infe­ rior Deo est, id quod ipsa inferius est, hoc est corpus, facit vivere; sic eamdem animam non faciat beate vivere, nisi quod ipsa anima est superius. Superior enim anima quam corpus, et superior quam anima Deus. Præstat aliquid inferiori, præstatur illi a supe­ riore. Serviat Domino suo, ne conculcetur a servo suo. Hæc est, fratres mei, religio christiana, quae præ­ dicatur per totum mundum, horrentibus inimicis; et ubi vincuntur, murmurantibus; ubi praevalent, sævien­ tibus. Hæc est religio christiana, ut colatur unus Deus, non multi dii; quia non facit animam beatam nisi unus Deus. Participatione Dei fit beata. Non par­ ticipatione sanctæ animae fit beata infirma anima, nec participatione angeli fit beata sancta anima: sed si quaerit beata esse infirma anima, quærat unde beata sit sancta anima. Non enim beatus efficeris ex angelo tu; sed unde angelus, inde et tu.

Today's reading, then, brothers, is easy; but because of yesterday's debt (for I know what I deferred, not took away, and the Lord has deigned to grant me to speak to you today too), remember what you ought to demand back, if in some way, keeping devotion and wholesome humility, we may stretch ourselves not against God but toward God, and lift up our soul to him, pouring it out above ourselves, like the one in the psalm to whom it was said, “Where is your God?” “These things,” he says, “I meditated, and poured out my soul above me.” Let us lift up the soul, then, to God, not against God; for this too has been said: “To you, O Lord, I have lifted up my soul.” And let us lift it with his help; for it is heavy. Why is it heavy? Because “the corruptible body weighs down the soul, and the earthly dwelling presses down the mind that thinks many things.” Perhaps, then, we may be able to gather our mind from many things to one, and, pulling it away from many things, raise it to the one (which indeed we shall not be able to do, as I said, unless he helps who wills our souls to be lifted up to him), and touch in some measure how the Word of God, the only Son of the Father, coeternal and equal with the Father, does nothing but what he sees the Father doing, while yet the Father himself does nothing except through the Son who sees. It seems to me that the Lord Jesus in this place, wishing to make known something great to the attentive and pour it into the capable, and to rouse the incapable to study, so that those not yet understanding may become capable by living well, has made known to us that the human soul and the rational mind, which is in man and not in a beast, is not given vigor, not made blessed, not enlightened, except by the very substance of God; and that this soul does something through the body and from the body, and has the body subject to it, and that the senses of the body can be soothed or offended by bodily things; and that because of this, that is, because of a certain partnership and embrace of soul and body in this life, the soul is delighted when the bodily senses are soothed and saddened when they are offended; but that its blessedness, by which the soul itself is made blessed, does not come about except by participation in that ever-living, unchangeable, eternal substance which is God: so that, as the soul, which is inferior to God, makes to live that which is inferior to itself, namely the body, so nothing makes the same soul live blessedly except what is superior to the soul itself. For the soul is superior to the body, and God is superior to the soul. It furnishes something to its inferior; something is furnished to it by its superior. Let it serve its Lord, lest it be trampled by its servant. This, my brothers, is the Christian religion, which is preached throughout the whole world, while its enemies shudder; and where they are defeated, they murmur; where they prevail, they rage. This is the Christian religion: that one God be worshipped, not many gods, because none but the one God makes the soul blessed. It becomes blessed by participation in God. A weak soul does not become blessed by participation in a holy soul, nor does a holy soul become blessed by participation in an angel; but if the weak soul seeks to be blessed, let it seek that from which the holy soul is blessed. For you are not made blessed by an angel; but from the source from which the angel is blessed, from that source are you also.

Ps 42:3 (41:4 LXX) (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 42:4 (41:5 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 25:1 (24:1 LXX) (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:19 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The soul gives life to the body but is made blessed only by participation in God; this is why the Christian religion worships the one God, not many gods.

  • Ps 42:4 (41:5 LXX), Ps 25:1 (24:1 LXX), and Wis 9:15 are quoted; John 5:19 is recalled.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text; stray marks in the digital text): donare otiam hodie loquiad vos → donare etiam hodie loqui ad vos; exlendamus nos non adversus Deum, sed, ad. Deum; et. levemus ad cum → extendamus nos non adversus Deum, sed ad Deum; et levemus ad eum; Ubi est DoM tuus → Ubi est Deus tuus; animam meamr Levemus ergo animam, ad Deum → animam meam. Levemus ergo animam ad Deum; quia et, hoc dictum → quia et hoc dictum; animam meam.. Rt levemus → animam meam. Et levemus; nam gravis. est → nam gravis est; corrumpitur. aggravaj → corrumpitur aggravat; sensum. multa cogitantem Ne forte ergo possimus. sensum nostrum. a multis colligere ad unum, et evulsum a; multis → sensum multa cogitantem. Ne forte ergo possimus sensum nostrum a multis colligere ad unum, et evulsum a multis; vulL → vult; contingamus ex. aliqua → contingamus ex aliqua; aliquid. nisi per Filium → aliquid nisi per Filium; Dominus, Jesus → Dominus Jesus; mentem. ratio → mentem ratio; vege­ lari → vege­ tari; nisi ab. ipsa, substantia → nisi ab ipsa substantia; consortium, quoddam → consortium quoddam; non fleri nisi → non fieri nisi; nisi quod insa anima → nisi quod ipsa anima; Præsiat → Præstat; Domi'no suo, ne eonculceiur → Domino suo, ne conculcetur; Hæ c est → Hæc est; Hacc est → Hæc est; angeli iit beata sancta anima: cd si → angeli fit beata sancta anima: sed si.

Extrabiblical texts: Wis 9:15 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; quotation)

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.5 (PL 35:1583–1585; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne PL 35 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin), then compared batch by batch with the public-domain English of NPNF¹ 7 (Gibb and Innes, 1888); differences checked against the Latin.

23.6PL 35:1585

His praemissis atque firmissime constitutis, ani­ mam rationalem non beatificari nisi a Deo, corpus non vegetari nisi per animam, atque esse quamdam medietatem inter Deum et corpus, animam; intendite et recolite mecum, non hodiernam, de qua sufficienter locuti sumus, sed hesternam lectionem, quam ecce jam triduo versamus atque tractamus, et pro viribus fodimus, donec ad petram perveniamus. Verbum Christus, Verbum Dei Christus apud Deum, Verbum Christus et Deus Verbum, Christus et Deus et Verbum unus Deus. Illuc perge, anima. contemptis cæteris, vel etiam transcensis; illuc perge. Nihil potentius ista creatura, quæ mens dicitur, rationalis, nihil hac creatura sublimius: quidquid supra istam est jam Creator est. Dicebam autem quia Verbum Christus, et Verbum Dei Christus, et Deus Verbum Christus; sed non tantum Verbum Christus, quia Verbum caro factum est, et habitavit in nobis: ergo et Verbum et caro Christus. Cum enim in forma Dei esset, non rapinam arbitratus est esse œqualis Deo. Et quid nos in imo, qui non poteramus infirmi et humi repentes attingere Deum, numquid relinquendi era­ mus? Absit. Semetipsum exinanivit formam servi acci­ piens,. Non ergo formam Dei amittens. Factus est ergo homo qui erat Deus, accipiendo quod non erat, non amittendo quod erat: ita factus est homo Deus. Ibi habes aliquid propter infirmitatem tuam, ibi habes aliud propter perfectionem tuam. Erigat te Christus per id quod homo est, ducat te per id quod Deus homo est, perdocat te ad id quod Deus est. Et tota prae­ dicatio dispensatioque per Christum haec est, fratres, et alia non est, ut resurgant animæ, resurgant et cor­ pora. Utrumque quippe mortuum erat; corpus ex infirmitate, anima ex iniquitate. Quia utrumque mor­ tuum erat, resurget utrimque. Quid utrumque? Anima et corpus. Per quid ergo anima, nisi per Deum Chri­ stum? Per quid corpus, nisi per hominem Christum? Erat enim in Christo anima humana, tota anima: non irrationale tantum animæ, sed etiam rationale quod mens dicitur. Fuerunt enim quidam haeretici, et pulsi sunt ab Ecclesia, qui putarent non habere men­ tam rationalem corpus Christi, sed quasi animam belluinam: excepta quippe rationali mente, vita belluina est. Sed quia expulsi sunt, et veritate expulsi sunt; accipe totum Christum, Verbum, mentem ratio­ nalem, et carnem. Hoc totum Christus est. Resurgat anima tua ab iniquitate per id quod Deus est, resurgat corpus tuum a corruptione per id quod homo est. Proinde, diamsimi, audite magnam lectionis hujus, quantum mihi videtur, profunditatem; et videte quem­ admodum loquatur hic Christus, nihil aliud quam quare venerit Christus, ut resurgant animæ ab iniqui­ tate, resurgant corpora a corruptione. Jam dixi animae per quid resurgant, per ipsam substantiam Dei; cor­ pora per quid resurgant, per dispensationem huma­ nam Domini nostri Jesu Christi.

These things being set out first and most firmly established—that the rational soul is made blessed only by God, that the body is given vigor only through the soul, and that the soul is a kind of middle between God and the body—attend and recall with me, not today's reading, of which we have said enough, but yesterday's, which, see, we have now been turning over and treating for three days and digging into as best we can, until we reach the rock. Christ the Word, Christ the Word of God with God, Christ the Word and the Word God, Christ and God and the Word one God. Go there, soul, despising the rest, or even passing beyond them; go there. Nothing is more powerful than this creature called the rational mind, nothing more sublime than this creature: whatever is above it is now the Creator. I was saying, though, that Christ is the Word, and Christ is the Word of God, and Christ is God the Word; but Christ is not only the Word, because “the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us”: so Christ is both Word and flesh. For “though he was in the form of God, he did not think it robbery to be equal with God.” And what about us below, who, weak and crawling on the ground, could not reach God—were we to be abandoned? Far from it. “He emptied himself, taking the form of a servant”—not, then, losing the form of God. So he who was God became man, by taking what he was not, not by losing what he was: thus God became man. There you have something for your weakness; there you have something else for your perfection. Let Christ raise you through what he is as man, let him lead you through what he is as God-man, let him bring you through to what he is as God. And the whole preaching and dispensation through Christ is this, brothers, and there is no other: that souls may rise, and bodies too may rise. For both were dead: the body from weakness, the soul from iniquity. Because both were dead, both will rise. What, both? Soul and body. Through what, then, does the soul rise, except through Christ as God? Through what the body, except through Christ as man? For in Christ there was a human soul, a whole soul: not only the irrational part but also the rational part, which is called mind. For there were certain heretics, and they were driven out of the church, who thought that the body of Christ did not have a rational mind but something like a beast's soul; for without the rational mind, life is a beast's life. But because they were driven out, and driven out by the truth, accept the whole Christ: Word, rational mind, and flesh. This whole is Christ. Let your soul rise from iniquity through what he is as God; let your body rise from corruption through what he is as man. Therefore, dearest ones, hear the great depth of this reading, as it seems to me; and see how Christ speaks here of nothing other than why Christ came: that souls might rise from iniquity, and bodies rise from corruption. I have already said through what souls rise: through the very substance of God; and through what bodies rise: through the human dispensation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:14 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:6 (quotation, high confidence) · Phil 2:7 (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Christ is Word, rational soul, and flesh; souls rise from sin through Christ as God, and bodies rise from corruption through Christ as man.

  • John 1:14 and Phil 2:6–7 are quoted. The unnamed heretics who denied Christ a rational mind are the Apollinarians.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): Ilis praemissis → His praemissis; non vcgetari → non vegetari; inter Dcum et corpus → inter Deum et corpus; non bodiernam → non hodiernam; donee ad petram → donec ad petram; nibil hac creatura → nihil hac creatura; Verbum Christus, ct Verbum → Verbum Christus, et Verbum; bomo qui erat Dous → homo qui erat Deus; Chri. stus per id quod homoest → Christus per id quod homo est; id quod Dees est → id quod Deus est; anima et iniquitate. Quia utramque mbr­ luum → anima ex iniquitate. Quia utrumque mor­ tuum; et eorpus → et corpus; Erat enim v ih Christo → Erat enim in Christo; irrationale tanfum animat, sed etiam rationale qnod ment diitur. Fuerunt eMa → irrationale tantum animæ, sed etiam rationale quod mens dicitur. Fuerunt enim; veritate expulsi sant → veritate expulsi sunt; anima tut ab iniquitate per id quod Deusest → anima tua ab iniquitate per id quod Deus est; corpus tuum k corruptione → corpus tuum a corruptione; admodUm loquatnr hic Christus, nilvil aliud qnam qUare venerit Christos, ot resurgant animæ ab itiiqui­ tate, resurgantcorpora a corroptione → admodum loquatur hic Christus, nihil aliud quam quare venerit Christus, ut resurgant animæ ab iniqui­ tate, resurgant corpora a corruptione; cor­ pont per quid → cor­ pora per quid.

Topics: Christology, Heresy, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.6 (PL 35:1585; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.7PL 35:1585

Amen, amen dico vobis, non potest a se Filius fa­ cere quidquam, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem: quæcumque enim ille fecerit, hæc et Filius similiter facit. Coelum, terram, mare, quæ in cælo, quae in terra, quæ in mari, visibilia, invisibilia, animalia in terris, fruteta in agris, natantia in aquis, in aere volantia, in coelo lucentia; præter hæc omnia, Angelos, Virtutes, Sedes, Dominationes, Principatus, Potestates: omnia per ipsum facta sunt. Numquid Deus omnia hæc fecit, et demonstravit ea facta Filio, ut et ipse faceret alterum mundum his omnibus plenum? Non utique. Sed quid? Quascumque enim ille fecerit, hæc, non alia, sed hœc et Filius, nec dissimiliter, sed similiter facit. Pater enim diligit Filium, et omnia de­ monstrat ei quœ ipse facit. Demonstrat Pater Filio ut animae suscitentur, quia per Patrem et Filium animæ suscitantur: nec possunt vivere animæ, nisi earum vita sit Deus. Si ergo non possunt vivere animæ, nisi earum vita sit Deus, sicut ipsæ sunt vita corporum; quod demonstrat Pater Filio, id est quod facit, per Filium facit. Non enim faciendo demonstrat Filio, sed demonstrando facit per Filium. Videt enim Filius Patrem demonstrantem Antequam aliquid fiat, et ex demonstratione Patris et visione Filii fit quod fit a Patre per Filium. Sic animae suscitantur, si potuerint videre istam unitatis conjunctionem, Patrem demon­ strantem, Filium videntem, et per Patris demonstra­ tionem et Filii visionem fieri creaturam: atque id fieri per Patris demonstrationem et Filii visionem, quod nec Pater sit nec Filius, sed infra Patrem et Filium, quidquid fit a Patre per Filium. Qui hoc videt?

“Amen, amen, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, these things the Son also does likewise.” Heaven, earth, sea; what is in heaven, what is on earth, what is in the sea; things visible and invisible; animals on land, shrubs in the fields, things swimming in the waters, things flying in the air, things shining in the sky; besides all these, angels, virtues, thrones, dominions, principalities, powers: all were made through him. Did God make all these things, and show them, once made, to the Son, so that he too might make another world full of all these things? Certainly not. But what? “For whatever he does, these”—not other things, but these—“the Son also does,” not unlike, but “likewise. For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that he himself does.” The Father shows the Son that souls are to be raised, because souls are raised through the Father and the Son; and souls cannot live unless God is their life. If, then, souls cannot live unless God is their life, as they themselves are the life of bodies, what the Father shows the Son, that is, what he does, he does through the Son. For he does not show the Son by doing, but by showing he does it through the Son. For the Son sees the Father showing before anything is made, and from the Father's showing and the Son's seeing comes about what is made by the Father through the Son. So souls are raised, if they can see this conjunction of unity: the Father showing, the Son seeing, and through the Father's showing and the Son's seeing the creature being made; and that what is made through the Father's showing and the Son's seeing—whatever is made by the Father through the Son—is neither the Father nor the Son, but beneath the Father and the Son. Who sees this?

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 1:16 (allusion, high confidence) · John 1:3 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The Father does not show the Son finished works to copy; by showing he makes through the Son, and the creature so made is beneath both.

  • John 5:19–20 is quoted; the list of heavenly powers recalls Col 1:16.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; OCR slip (digit for letter); stray marks in the digital text): dico. vobis, non potest a se Filius. fa → dico vobis, non potest a se Filius fa; facieniem → facientem; Me et Filius → hæc et Filius; fruteta ih agris → fruteta in agris; PrinCipatus → Principatus; omnia per i,... facta → omnia per ipsum facta; Dens omnia haM fecit → Deus omnia hæc fecit; ipse, faceret alterum tnundum his ominibus plenum f → ipse faceret alterum mundum his omnibus plenum?; nee dissimailiter → nec dissimiliter; omnia de. monstrat → omnia de­ monstrat; animas suscitantur: nec possunt vivere animæ, his! earam → animæ suscitantur: nec possunt vivere animæ, nisi earum; 8i ergo → Si ergo; earum viia sit DeuS, sient ipsas sunt → earum vita sit Deus, sicut ipsæ sunt; demonstrat Patet Filio, id est quod faeit → demonstrat Pater Filio, id est quod facit; demonstrat Pilio, sed demonstrando faeit → demonstrat Filio, sed demonstrando facit; aliquid Hiat → aliquid fiat; fleri creaturam → fieri creaturam; pet Patris demonstrationem et Filii visionem, quod. nec Pater sit neo Filius, sed infra Patrem ct Filium, quidquid fit a Patre per Fillum. Qui. hoc → per Patris demonstrationem et Filii visionem, quod nec Pater sit nec Filius, sed infra Patrem et Filium, quidquid fit a Patre per Filium. Qui hoc.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.7 (PL 35:1585; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.8PL 35:1585–1587

Ecce iterum ad carnales sensus, ecce rursus humiliamus nos, et descendimus ad vos, si tamen aliquid aliquando ascenderamus a vobis. Vis demon­ strare aliquid filio tuo, ut faciat quod facis: facturus es tu, et sic demonstraturus. Quod igitur facturus es ut demonstres filio, non utique facis per filium: sed tu solus facis quod ipse factum videat, et aliud tale si­ militer faciat. Non est hoc ibi: quid pergis ad simili­ tudinem tuam, et deles in te similitudinem Dei? Ibi omnino non est hoc. Inveni aliquid, quomodo demon­ stres filio tuo quod facis, antequam facis; ut cum demonstraveris, per filium facias hoc quod facis. Jam forte quasi occurrit tibi: Ecce, inquis, cogito facere domum, et volo ut per filium meum fabricetur: ante­ quam eam ipse fabricem, ostendo filio meo quod fa­ cere volo; et facit ipse, atque ego per ipsum, cui ostendi voluntatem meam. Recessisti quidem a pri­ stina similitudine, sed adhuc jaces in magna dissimi­ litudine. Ecce enim antequam facias domum, indicas filio tuo, et demonstras quid, facere velis; ut te de­ monstrante antequam facias, faciat ipse quod demon­ straveris, et tu per ipsum: sed verba dicturus es filio tuo, inter te et ipsum verba cursura sunt; et inter demonstrantem et videntem, vel loquentem et audien­ tem sonus articulatus volat, qui non est quod tu, non est quod ipse. Sonus quippe ille qui exit de ore tuo, et verberato aere tangit aurem filii tui, et impleto sensu audiendi perducit ad cor cogitationem tuam; sonus ergo ille, non est ipse tu, non est ipse filius tuus. Signum datum est ab animo tuo animo filii tui, quod signum non sit nec animus tuus, nec animus filii tui, sed aliud aliquid. Itane putamus Patrem lo­ cutum esse cum Filio? Fuerunt verba inter Deum et Verbum? quomodo istud est? An quidquid vellet Pater dicere Filio, si verbo vellet dicere, ipse Filius est Verbum Patris, numquid per verbum loqueretur ad Verbum? An quia Filius magnum Verbum, minora verba cursura erant inter Patrem et Filium? Sonus aliquis et quasi creatura quædam temporalis atque volatica, exitura erat ex ore Patris, et percussura au­ rem Filii? Numquid habet Deus corpus, ut quasi ex ejus labiis hoc procedat; et habet aures corporis Ver­ bum, in quas sonus veniat? Remove omnia corpora­ lia, simplicitatem vide, si simplex es. Quomodo autem eris simplex? Si te non mundo implicaveris, sed ex mundo explicaveris: explicando enim te simplex eris. Et vide si potes quod dico, aut si non potes, crede quod non vides. Dicis filio tuo, verbo dicis; verbum quod sonat, nec tu es, nec filius tuus.

See, again to carnal senses; see, again we humble ourselves and come down to you, if indeed we had ever ascended somewhat from you. You want to show something to your son, so that he may do what you do: you are going to do it, and so show it. What you are going to do in order to show your son, then, you certainly do not do through your son; but you alone do what he is to see done, and he does another such thing likewise. This is not so there: why do you go to your own likeness and blot out in yourself the likeness of God? There it is not so at all. Find some way to show your son what you do before you do it, so that, when you have shown it, you may do through your son what you do. Now perhaps something like this occurs to you: “See,” you say, “I am thinking of making a house, and I want it to be built through my son: before I build it myself, I show my son what I want to make; and he makes it, and I through him, to whom I have shown my will.” You have indeed withdrawn from the former likeness, but you still lie in great unlikeness. For see, before you make the house, you indicate to your son and show what you want to make, so that, as you show it before you make it, he may make what you have shown, and you through him; but you will speak words to your son; words will run between you and him; and between the one showing and the one seeing, or the one speaking and the one hearing, an articulate sound flies, which is not what you are, not what he is. For that sound which goes out of your mouth, and, having struck the air, touches your son's ear, and, having filled the sense of hearing, carries your thought to his heart—that sound is not you yourself, not your son himself. A sign has been given from your mind to your son's mind, which sign is neither your mind nor your son's mind, but something else. Are we to think, then, that the Father spoke with the Son in this way? Were there words between God and the Word? How is that? Whatever the Father wished to say to the Son, if he wished to say it by a word—when the Son himself is the Word of the Father—would he speak to the Word through a word? Or because the Son is the great Word, were lesser words to run between the Father and the Son? Was some sound, a kind of temporal and fleeting creature, to go out of the Father's mouth and strike the Son's ear? Does God have a body, so that this might proceed as if from his lips; and does the Word have bodily ears into which sound might come? Remove all bodily things; see simplicity, if you are simple. But how will you be simple? If you do not entangle yourself in the world, but disentangle yourself from the world: for by disentangling yourself you will be simple. And see, if you can, what I am saying; or, if you cannot, believe what you do not see. You speak to your son; you speak with a word: the word that sounds is neither you nor your son.

Notes and citation

Summary: A father who shows his son a plan in words uses a sound that is neither of them; the Father does not speak to his Word through other words.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): Eece iterum → Ecce iterum; a Vobis. Vie demon­ atrare aliquid fiHo tue, lit faciat → a vobis. Vis demon­ strare aliquid filio tuo, ut faciat; non ntiqiie facis → non utique facis; aliud tate si. militer → aliud tale si­ militer; qnid pergis → quid pergis; deles In te similitudmem Dei? Ibi Omnine → deles in te similitudinem Dei? Ibi omnino; filio tHO → filio tuo; pri­ stilla similitudine, scd adhuc → pri­ stina similitudine, sed adhuc; Ecce euim anlequam → Ecce enim antequam; inter te ct ipsum → inter te et ipsum; audicn­ tem sonus arliculatus → audien­ tem sonus articulatus; non cst quod ipse → non est quod ipse; aHud → aliud; Fucrunt → Fuerunt; vellet l'ater → vellet Pater; Yerbum Patris → Verbum Patris; crcatura → creatura; procedat; ct habet → procedat; et habet; si simplex cs. → si simplex es..

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.8 (PL 35:1585–1587; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.9PL 35:1587

Habeo, inquis, aliud quo ostendam: ita enim est eruditus filius meus, ut nec loquente me audiat, sed nutu ostendo ei quod faciat. Ecce nutu ostende quod vis, certe animus tuus vult ostendere quod in se habet. Unde facis nutum? De corpore, scilicet, labiis, vultu, superciliis, oculis, manibus. Hæc omnia non sunt quod animus tuus; etiam ista media sunt: in­ tellectum est aliquid per hæc signa, quae non sunt quod animus tuus, nec quod animus filii tui: sed hoc totum quod corpore agis, infra animum tuum est, et infra animum filii tui; nec potest cognoscere animum tuum filius tuus, nisi dederis ei signa de corpore. Quid igitur facio? Non est hoc ibi, simplicitas ibi est. Pater ostendit Filio quod facit, et ostendendo Filium gignit. Video quid dixerim: sed quia video et quibus dixerim, fiat in vobis intellectus iste quandoque. Nunc si non potestis comprehendere quid sit Deus, vel hoc comprehendite quid non sit Deus: multum profeceritis, si non aliud quam est, de Deo senseritis. Nondum potes pervenire ad quid sit, perveni ad quid non sit. Non est Deus cor­ pus, non terra, non coelum, non luna, non sol, non stella, non corporalia ista. Si enim non coelestia, quanto minus terrena? Tolle omne corpus. Adhuc audi aliud: non est Deus mutabilis spiritus. Nam fa­ teor, et fatendum est, quia Evangelium loquitur, Deus spiritus est. Sed transi omnem mutabilem spiritum, transi spiritum qui modo scit, modo nescit, modo me­ minit, et obliviscitur; vult quod nolebat, non vult quod volebat; sive patiatur jam istas mutabilitates, sive pati possit: transi haec omnia. Non invenis in Deo aliquid mutabilitatis, non aliquid quod aliter nunc sit, aliter paulo ante fuerit. Nam ubi invenis aliter et aliter, facta est ibi quædam mors: mors enim est, non esse quod fuit. Immortalis dicitur anima: est qui­ dem, quia vivit semper anima, et est in illa quædam vita permanens, sed mutabilis vita. Secundum muta­ bilitatem vitæ hujus et mortalis dici potest: quia si vivebat sapienter, et desipit, mortua est in deterius; si vivebat insipienter, et sapit, mortua est in melius. Nam esse mortem in deterius, esse mortem in melius Scriptura nos docet. Utique in deterius mortui erant, de quibus dicitur, Sine mortuos, sepeliant mortuos suos; et, Surge, qui dormis, et exsurge a mortuis, et illuminabit te Christus; et de hac lectione, Quando mortui audient, et qui audierint vi­ vent. In deterius mortui erant, ideo reviviscunt. Revi­ viscendo moriuntur in melius, quia et reviviscendo non erunt quod erant: non esse autem quod erat, mors est. Sed forte, si in melius est, non appellatur mors? Appellavit illam mortem Apostolus: Si autem mortui estis cum Christo ab elementis hujus mundi, quid adhuc velut viventes de hoc mundo decernitis? et iterum, Mortui enim estis, et vita vestra abscon­ dita est cum Christo in Deo. Mori nos vult ut vivamus, quia viximus ut moreremur. Quid­ quid ergo et a meliore in deterius, et a deteriore in melius moritur, non est hoc Deus: quia neque in me­ lius ire potest summa bonitas, neque in deterius vera aeternitas. Vera enim æternitas est, ubi temporis nihil est. Erat autem modo hoc, et modo illud? jam tem­ pus admissum est, æternum non est. Nam ut noveri­ tis quia non sic Deus quomodo anima; certe immor­ talis est anima; quid ergo est quod ait Apostolus de Deo, Qui solus habet immortalitatem; nisi quia hoc aperte dixit, Solus habet incommutabili­ tatem, quia solus habet veram æternitatem? Ergo ibi nulla mutabilitas.

“I have another way to show him,” you say; “for my son is so well trained that he does not even hear me speaking, but I show him by a nod what he is to do.” See, show by a nod what you will; certainly your mind wants to show what it has within itself. With what do you make the nod? With the body: with the lips, the face, the eyebrows, the eyes, the hands. All these are not what your mind is; these too are intermediaries. Something was understood through these signs, which are not what your mind is nor what your son's mind is; but all this that you do with the body is beneath your mind and beneath your son's mind; nor can your son know your mind unless you give him signs from the body. What, then, am I to say? This is not so there; there is simplicity. The Father shows the Son what he does, and by showing begets the Son. I see what I have said; but because I also see to whom I have said it, may this understanding come about in you some day. Now, if you cannot comprehend what God is, at least comprehend what God is not: you will have made much progress if you think nothing of God other than what he is. You cannot yet reach what he is; reach what he is not. God is not a body, not the earth, not the heaven, not the moon, not the sun, not a star, not these bodily things. For if not heavenly things, how much less earthly? Take away every body. Hear something further: God is not a changeable spirit. For I confess, and it must be confessed, since the Gospel says it, “God is spirit.” But pass beyond every changeable spirit; pass beyond the spirit that now knows, now does not know, now remembers and forgets, wills what it did not will, does not will what it willed—whether it already suffers these changes or can suffer them: pass beyond all these. You find nothing of changeableness in God, nothing that is one way now and was another way a little before. For where you find “one way and then another,” a kind of death has taken place there: for death is not to be what one was. The soul is called immortal; and so it is, because the soul always lives, and there is in it a certain lasting life, but a changeable life. According to the changeableness of this life it can also be called mortal: because if it was living wisely and becomes foolish, it has died for the worse; if it was living foolishly and becomes wise, it has died for the better. For Scripture teaches us that there is a death for the worse and a death for the better. Certainly those had died for the worse of whom it is said, “Let the dead bury their dead,” and, “Arise, you who sleep, and rise from the dead, and Christ will enlighten you,” and in this reading, “When the dead will hear, and those who hear will live.” They had died for the worse; therefore they come back to life. By coming back to life they die for the better, because by coming back to life they will not be what they were; and not to be what one was is death. But perhaps, if it is for the better, it is not called death? The apostle called it death: “But if you have died with Christ to the elements of this world, why do you still decide as though living in this world?” and again, “For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.” He wants us to die that we may live, because we have lived that we might die. Whatever, then, dies either from better to worse or from worse to better is not God: because neither can the supreme goodness go to better, nor true eternity to worse. For true eternity is where there is nothing of time. But was something now this and now that? Then time has been let in; it is not eternal. For that you may know that God is not as the soul is—the soul is certainly immortal—what is it that the apostle says of God, “Who alone has immortality,” except that he openly said this: He alone has unchangeableness, because he alone has true eternity? So there is no changeableness there.

John 4:24 (quotation, high confidence) · Matt 8:22 (quotation, high confidence) · Eph 5:14 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:25 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 2:20 (quotation, high confidence) · Col 3:3 (quotation, high confidence) · 1 Tim 6:16 (quotation, high confidence)

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Summary: Unlike signs between father and son, the Father's showing begets the Son; if we cannot grasp what God is, we can learn what he is not: not body, not changeable spirit.

  • John 4:24, Matt 8:22, Eph 5:14, John 5:25, Col 2:20, Col 3:3, and 1 Tim 6:16 are quoted.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): Uude facis → Unde facis; animum tilii tui → animum filii tui; filius tHUS, nisi dederis ei sigua → filius tuus, nisi dederis ei signa; Non est boc ibi → Non est hoc ibi; quandoque.. Nunc si non potestis comprehendero → quandoque. Nunc si non potestis comprehendere; Don stella → non stella; fa­ tcor → fa­ teor; quod volebal → quod volebat; fasta est iUi → facta est ibi; Rcvi­ viscendo → Revi­ viscendo; rcviviscendo non erunt qUod crant → reviviscendo non erunt quod erant; Sed Curte → Sed forte; hnjus mundi, guid adhuc velut viventes de hoc mundo decanitis → hujus mundi, quid adhuc velut viventes de hoc mundo decernitis; non est boc Deus → non est hoc Deus; ct modo Illud → et modo illud; Apostoius → Apostolus; arternitatein → æternitatem.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.9 (PL 35:1587; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.10PL 35:1587–1589

Agnosce in te aliquid, quod volo dicere, intus, intus in te; non in te quasi in corpore tuo, nam et ibi potest dici in te. In te est enim sanitas, in te quæli­ bet ætas, sed secundum corpus; in te est manus, pes tuus: sed aliud est in te intus, aliud in te tan­ quam in veste tua. Sed relinque foris et vestem tuam et carnem tuam, descende in te, adi secretarium tuum, mentem tuam, et ibi vide quod volo dicere, si potue­ ris. Si enim tu ipse a te longe es, Deo propinquare unde potes? Dicebam de Deo; et intellecturum te ar­ bitrabaris: de anima dico, de te dico; intellige, ibi te probabo. Non enim valde longe pergo in exempla, quando de mente tua volo aliquam similitudinem dare ad Deum tuum; quia utique non in corpore, sed in ipsa mente factus est homo ad imaginem Dei. In si­ militudine sua Deum quæramus, in imagine sua Crea­ torem agnoscamus. Ibi intus, si potuerimus, invenia­ mus hoc quod dicimus; quomodo demonstret Pater Filio, et Filius videat quod demonstrat Pater, ante­ quam fiat aliquid a Patre per Filium. Sed cum dixero et intellexeris, nec sic putes jam illud aliquid tale esse, ut serves ibi pietatem, quam volo a te servari, et præcipue moneo: id est, ut si non vales compre­ hendere Deus quid sit, parum non tibi putes esse scire quid non sit.

Recognize in yourself something that I want to say: within, within in yourself; not in yourself as in your body, for there too one can say “in you.” For health is in you, whatever age you are is in you, but according to the body; your hand, your foot is in you. But it is one thing to be in you within, another to be in you as in your clothing. But leave outside both your clothing and your flesh; go down into yourself; go to your inner chamber, your mind, and there see what I want to say, if you can. For if you yourself are far from yourself, how can you draw near to God? I was speaking of God, and you thought you would understand; I am speaking of the soul, I am speaking of you: understand; there I will test you. For I do not go very far for examples when I want to give from your mind some likeness to your God; because certainly it was not in the body but in the mind itself that man was made to the image of God. Let us seek God in his likeness; let us recognize the Creator in his image. There within, if we can, let us find what we are speaking of: how the Father shows the Son, and the Son sees what the Father shows, before anything is made by the Father through the Son. But when I have said it and you have understood, do not even then think that that reality is something of this kind, so that you may keep there the devotion that I want you to keep and that I especially urge: that is, if you cannot comprehend what God is, do not think it a small thing to know what he is not.

Gen 1:27 (allusion, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: Augustine turns the hearer inward to the mind, made in God's image, to find a likeness of the Father's showing and the Son's seeing.

  • The image of God in the mind recalls Gen 1:26–27.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): intus in to → intus in te; taN­ quam → tan­ quam; relinque furis et vestem tuain → relinque foris et vestem tuam; mentem tuam, ct ibi → mentem tuam, et ibi; Dco propinquare → Deo propinquare; ibi tc probabo → ibi te probabo; ipsa mento factus → ipsa mente factus; Crca­ torem → Crea­ torem; iuvenia­ mus → invenia­ mus; dcmonstret → demonstret; parum non libi putes → parum non tibi putes.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.10 (PL 35:1587–1589; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.11PL 35:1589

Ecce in mente tua video aliqua duo, memo­ riam tuam et cogitationem tuam, id est, quasi aciem quamdam et obtutum animæ tuæ. Vides aliquid, et per oculos percipis, et commendas memoriæ: ibi est intus quod memoriæ commendasti, in abdito recondi­ tum, quasi in horreo, quasi in thesauro, quasi in se­ cretario quodam et penetrali interiore. Cogitas aliunde, intentio tua alibi est; illud quod vidisti in memoria tua est, et non videtur a te, quia cogitatio tua in aliud intenditur. Modo probo, scientibus loquor: Carthaginem nomino, omnes modo intus quicumque eam nostis, vidistis Carthaginem. Numquid tot sunt Carthagines quot animæ vestræ? Omnes vidistis per nomen hoc: per quatuor has syllabas notas vobis, erumpentes ex ore meo, tactæ sunt aures vestræ, tactus est sensus animæ per corpus, et ab alia inten­ tione reflexus est animus ad id quod ibi erat, et vidit Carthaginem. Numquid tunc est ibi Carthago facta? Jam ibi erat, sed latebat. Quare ibi latebat? Quia animus tuus in aliud attendebat: cum vero reflexa est cogitatio tua ad id quod erat in memoria, inde formata est, et visio quædam animi facta est. Antea non erat visio, sed erat memoria: reflexa cogitatione ad memoriam, facta est visio. Demonstravit ergo me­ moria tua cogitationi tuae Carthaginem, et quod in illa erat antequam intenderes, conversæ ad se inten­ tioni cogitationis ostendit. Ecce facta est a memoria demonstratio, facta est in cogitatione visio; et nulla verba in medio cucurrerunt, nullum ex corpore si­ gnum datum est: nec innuisti, nec scripsisti, nec so­ nuisti; et tamen cogitatio vidit quod memoria demon­ stravit. Ejusdem autem substantiæ est, et quæ de­ monstravit, et cui demonstravit. Sed Carthaginem ut haberet memoria tua, per oculos hausta est imago hæc: vidisti enim quod in memoria reconderes. Sic arborem quam meministi vidisti, sic montem, sic flu­ vium, sic amici faciem, sic inimici, sic patris, ma­ tris, fratris, sororis, filii, vicini; sic litterarum in codice conscriptarum, sic ipsius codicis, sic hujus basilicae: omnia ista vidisti, et visa quia jam erant, memoriæ commendasti; et tanquam posuisti illic quæ videres cogitando cum retes, etiam cum ab istis cor­ poris oculis abfuissent. Vidisti enim Carthaginem cum esses Carthagini, accepit speciem per oculos anima tua; hæc species recondita est in memoria tua, et servasti aliquid intus homo apud Carthaginem con­ stitutus, quod posses apud te videre etiam cum ibi non esses. Hæc omnia forinsecus accepisti. Pater quæ de­ monstrat Filio, non accipit extrinsecus: intus totum agitur; quia nihil creaturarum esset extrinsecus, nisi hoc Pater fecisset per Filium. Creatura omnis a Deo facta est; antequam fieret non erat. Non ergo facta visa est et retenta memoriter, ut eam Pater Filio tan­ quam memoria cogitationi monstraret: sed facien­ dam Pater monstravit, faciendam Filius vidit, et eam Pater demonstrando fecit, quia per Filium videntem fecit. Et ideo movere non debet, quia dictum est, nisi quod viderit Patrem facientem: non dictum est, demonstrantem. Per hoc enim significatum est, id esse Patri facere, quod est demonstrare; ut ex hoc intelligatur per Filium videntem omnia facere. Nec illa demonstratio, nec illa visio temporalis est. Quia enim per Filium fiunt omnia tempora, non utique ali­ quo tempore possent ei demonstrari facienda. Sic au­ tem demonstratio Patris Filii visionem gignit, quem­ admodum Pater Filium gignit. Demonstratio quippe generat visionem, non visio demonstrationem. Quod si purius et perfectius intueri valeremus, fortasse in­ veniremus nec aliud esse Patrem, aliud ejus demon­ strationem; nec aliud Filium, aliud ejus visionem. Sed si vix hoc cepimus, vix explicare potuimus, quo­ modo memoria quod cepit extrinsecus, ostendat co­ gitationi; quanto minus capere aut explicare poterimus, quomodo Pater Deus demonstrat Filio quod non ha­ bet aliunde, vel quod non est aliud quam ipse? Par­ vuli sumus; loquor vobis quid non sit Deus, non ostendo quid sit: ergo ut capiamus quid sit, quid fa­ ciemus? Numquid a me, numquid per me poteritis? Dicam hoc parvulis, et vobis et mihi: est per quem possimus; modo cantavimus, modo audimus, Jacta in Dominum curam tuam, et ipse te enutriet. Ideo enim non potes, o homo, quia parvulus es: si parvulus es, nutriendus es: nutritus, grandis eris; et quod parvulus non poteras, grandis videbis: sed ut nutriaris, Jacta in Dominum curam tuam, et ipse te enutriet.

See, in your mind I see two things: your memory and your thought, that is, as it were a kind of eye and gaze of your soul. You see something, and perceive it through the eyes, and commit it to memory: what you committed to memory is there within, stored in hiding, as in a granary, as in a treasury, as in a kind of private chamber and inner sanctum. You are thinking of something else; your attention is elsewhere; what you saw is in your memory, and it is not seen by you, because your thought is directed to something else. I will prove it now; I am speaking to those who know. I name Carthage: all of you who know it have now seen Carthage within. Are there as many Carthages as there are your souls? You have all seen it through this name: through these four syllables known to you, bursting from my mouth, your ears were touched, the sense of the soul was touched through the body, and the mind was turned back from another focus to what was there, and saw Carthage. Was Carthage made there at that moment? It was there already, but it lay hidden. Why did it lie hidden there? Because your mind was attending to something else; but when your thought was turned back to what was in the memory, it was formed from it, and a kind of seeing of the mind came about. Before there was no seeing, but there was memory: when thought was turned back to memory, seeing came about. So your memory showed Carthage to your thought, and what was in it before you attended, it showed to the attention of thought when that was turned toward it. See, a showing was made by memory, a seeing was made in thought; and no words ran between, no sign was given from the body: you neither nodded, nor wrote, nor made a sound; and yet thought saw what memory showed. But what showed and that to which it showed are of the same substance. But for your memory to have Carthage, this image was drawn in through the eyes: for you saw what you would store in memory. So you saw the tree that you remember, so the mountain, so the river, so the face of a friend, so of an enemy, so of father, mother, brother, sister, son, neighbor; so the letters written in a book, so the book itself, so this basilica: you saw all these, and because they already existed when seen, you committed them to memory; and you as it were placed there what you might see by thinking when you wished, even when they were absent from these bodily eyes. For you saw Carthage when you were at Carthage; your soul received its form through the eyes; this form was stored in your memory; and you, a man placed at Carthage, kept something within you that you could see within yourself even when you were not there. All these things you received from outside. What the Father shows the Son he does not receive from outside: the whole takes place within; for no creature would exist outside unless the Father had made it through the Son. Every creature was made by God; before it was made, it did not exist. It was not, then, made, seen, and retained in memory, so that the Father might show it to the Son as memory shows to thought; but the Father showed it as to be made, the Son saw it as to be made, and the Father made it by showing, because he made it through the Son who sees. And therefore it should not trouble us that it was said, “but what he sees the Father doing”: it was not said “showing.” For by this it is signified that for the Father to do is the same as to show; so that from this it may be understood that he does all things through the Son who sees. Neither that showing nor that seeing is temporal. For since all times are made through the Son, things to be made could certainly not be shown to him at some time. But the showing of the Father begets the seeing of the Son, just as the Father begets the Son. For the showing generates the seeing, not the seeing the showing. And if we could look more purely and perfectly, perhaps we would find that the Father is not one thing and his showing another, nor the Son one thing and his seeing another. But if we have barely grasped, and barely been able to explain, how memory shows to thought what it took in from outside, how much less shall we be able to grasp or explain how God the Father shows the Son what he does not have from elsewhere, or what is nothing other than himself? We are little ones; I am telling you what God is not, I am not showing what he is. So, to grasp what he is, what shall we do? Will you be able to from me, through me? Let me say this to little ones, both to you and to myself: there is one through whom we can; we have just sung, we have just heard: “Cast your care upon the Lord, and he will nourish you.” For this is why you cannot, O man: because you are a little one. If you are a little one, you must be nourished: once nourished, you will be grown; and what you could not as a little one, you will see when grown. But that you may be nourished, “cast your care upon the Lord, and he will nourish you.”

John 5:19 (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 55:22 (54:23 LXX) (quotation, high confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: As memory shows Carthage to thought without words, so in a far higher way the Father's showing begets the Son's seeing, within and not in time.

  • Ps 55:22 (54:23 LXX) is quoted from the psalm just sung. The four syllables are those of Carthaginem. The phrase cum retes is garbled in the digital text; “when you wished” is by sense.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip; stray mark in the digital text; words run together in the digital text): memo­ riam luam et cogitationem luam → memo­ riam tuam et cogitationem tuam; obtuium anima; tux → obtutum animæ tuæ; OCUloS → oculos; recondi­ tum. quasi → recondi­ tum, quasi; CarLhaginem → Carthaginem; crumpentes ex ore meo, tacta: sunt → erumpentes ex ore meo, tactæ sunt; reflexus cst animus ad id quod ibi crat, cl vidit → reflexus est animus ad id quod ibi erat, et vidit; visio quacdam → visio quædam; per oculus hausta → per oculos hausta; omnia ista vidisti, ct visa → omnia ista vidisti, et visa; in memoria tua, ct servasti → in memoria tua, et servasti; conr­ stitutus → con­ stitutus; videreetiam → videre etiam; Hac omnia forinsecus → Hæc omnia forinsecus; extrinsecus.: → extrinsecus:; facta cst; antequam → facta est; antequam; facta­ visa → facta visa; facicn­ dam Pater monstravit, iaciendam Filius vidit, et cnm Pater → facien­ dam Pater monstravit, faciendam Filius vidit, et eam Pater; non dicium est → non dictum est; ex hoe intelligatur → ex hoc intelligatur; Filium flunt → Filium fiunt; dcmonstratio Patris Filii visionem gignit. → demonstratio Patris Filii visionem gignit,; generaL → generat; purius Ct perfectius intueri valeremus,,fortasse → purius et perfectius intueri valeremus, fortasse; strationcm → strationem; co­. gitationi → co­ gitationi; non hi.. bet → non ha­ bet; Dcus, nou ostendo → Deus, non ostendo; et vobis et milii → et vobis et mihi; parvulus cs:. → parvulus es:.

Topics: Trinity

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.11 (PL 35:1589; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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23.12PL 35:1589–1591

Modo ergo percurramus breviter quæ restant, et videte hic quæ commendavi, quomodo Dominus insinuet. Pater diligit Filium, et omnia demonstrat ei quæ ipse facit. Ipse suscitat animas, sed per Filium, ut fruantur animae suscitatæ substantia Dei, hoc est Patris et Filii. Et majora his demonstrabit ei opera. Quibus majora? Sanitatibus corporum. Jam et antea tractavimus, nec immorari debemus. Major est enim re­ surrectio corporis in aeternum, quam haec quae ad tempus facta est in illo languido sanitas corporis. Et majora his demonstrabit ei opera, ut vos miremini. De­ monstrabit, quasi temporaliter: ergo quasi homini facto in tempore, quia Verbum Deus non est factus, per quem omnia facta sunt tempora; sed homo factus Christus in tempore. Apparet quo consule, quo die conceptum de Spiritu sancto virgo Maria peperit Chri­ stum: ergo homo factus est in tempore, per quem Deum facta sunt tempora. Ideo tanquam in tempore demonstrabit ei opera majora, id est, resurrectionem corporum, ut vos miremini factam per Filium resur­ rectionem corporum.

Now, then, let us run briefly through what remains, and see here how the Lord makes known the things I have commended. “The Father loves the Son, and shows him all things that he himself does.” He raises souls, but through the Son, so that the raised souls may enjoy the substance of God, that is, of the Father and the Son. “And greater works than these will he show him.” Greater than which? Than the healings of bodies. We have treated this already and should not linger. For the resurrection of the body for eternity is greater than this bodily healing, which was done for a time in that sick man. “And greater works than these will he show him, that you may marvel.” “He will show,” as if in time: as, then, to a man made in time; for the Word, God, was not made, through whom all times were made; but Christ was made man in time. It is known under what consul, on what day, the Virgin Mary bore Christ, conceived of the Holy Spirit: so he through whom, as God, times were made was made man in time. Therefore, as in time, “he will show him greater works,” that is, the resurrection of bodies, “that you may marvel” at the resurrection of bodies brought about through the Son.

John 5:20 (quotation, high confidence) · John 5:5 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 1:20 (allusion, medium confidence)

Notes and citation

Summary: The “greater works” the Father will show the Son, as man made in time, are the resurrection of bodies.

  • John 5:20 is quoted; the sick man is the one healed in John 5:5–9.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (OCR slip): vidcte hic quas commendavi → videte hic quæ commendavi; demonstrat ci quæ → demonstrat ei quæ; facta cst in illo → facta est in illo; demonstrabit li opera, tit vos → demonstrabit ei opera, ut vos; Verbum Peus → Verbum Deus; Chrisms → Christus; Consule → consule; prgo bomo factus eft → ergo homo factus est; oppra → opera.

Topics: Christology, Eschatology

Cite (SBL): Augustine, Tract. Ev. Jo. 23.12 (PL 35:1589–1591; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-tractatus-ioannem/23-2/#p-23-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin of Migne PL 35 (digital text, Open Greek and Latin), then compared batch by batch with the public-domain English of NPNF¹ 7 (Gibb and Innes, 1888); differences checked against the Latin.