Confessions 11.12–11.35
Latin text: Knoll, CSEL 33 (Latin text: Pius Knoll, Confessionum Libri XIII (CSEL 33, 1896), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 1 (1886).
Chapter 11
11.12CSEL 33:289
Nonne ecce pleni sunt uetustatis suae qui nobis dicunt: quid faciebat deus, antequam faceret caelum et terram? si enim uacabat, inquiunt, et non operabatur aliquid, cur non sic semper et deinceps, quemadmodum retro semper cessauit ab opere? si enim ullus motus in deo nouus extitit et uoluntas noua, ut creaturam conderet, quam numquam ante condiderat, quomodo iam uera aeternitas, ubi oritur uoluntas, quae non erat? neque enim uoluntas dei creatura est, sed ante creaturam, quia non crearetur aliquid, nisi creatoris uoluntas praecederet. ad ipsam ergo dei substantiam pertinet uoluntas eius. quod si exortum est aliquid in dei substantia, quod prius non erat, non ueraciter dicitur aeterna illa substantia; si autem dei uoluntas sempiterna erat, ut esset creatura, cur non sempiterna et creatura?
See, are they not full of their old nature who say to us: "What was God doing before he made heaven and earth? For if he was at leisure," they say, "and doing nothing, why did he not always remain so, and from then on, just as for ever before he had rested from work? For if any new motion arose in God, and a new will, to establish a creation which he had never established before, how is there then true eternity, where a will arises that was not there before? For the will of God is not a creature, but is before the creature, because nothing would be created unless the will of the Creator came first. So his will belongs to the very substance of God. And if something arose in God's substance which was not there before, that substance is not truly called eternal; but if God's will that there should be a creation was eternal, why is the creation not eternal too?"
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Summary: Some ask: what was God doing before creation, and why is creation not eternal if his will is eternal?
- Augustine reports an objection (probably Manichaean or pagan); the whole section is their argument.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.12 (CSEL 33:289; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.13CSEL 33:289–290
Qui haec dicunt, nondum te intellegunt, o sapientia dei, lux mentium, nondum intellegunt, quomodo fiant, quae per te atque in te fiunt, et conantur aeterna sapere, sed adhuc in praeteritis et futuris rerum motibus cor eorum uolitat et adhuc uanum est. quis tenebit illud et figet illud, ut paululum stet et paululum rapiat splendorem semper stantis aeternitatis et conparet cum temporibus numquam stantibus et uideat esse inconparabilem et uideat longum tempus nisi ex multis praetereuntibus motibus, qui simul extendi non possunt, longum non fieri; non autem praeterire quicquam in aeterno, sed totum esse praesens; nullum uero tempus totum esse praesens: et uideat omne praeteritum propelli ex futuro et omne futurum ex praeterito consequi et omne praeteritum ac futurum ab eo, quod semper est praesens, creari et excurrere? quis tenebit cor hominis, ut stet et uideat, quomodo stans dictet futura et praeterita tempora nec futura nec praeterita aeternitas? numquid manus mea ualet hoc aut manus oris mei per loquellas agit tam grandem rem?
Those who say this do not yet understand you, O Wisdom of God, light of minds; they do not yet understand how the things are made that are made through you and in you; and they try to taste eternal things, but their heart still flutters about in the past and future motions of things, and is still vain. Who will hold it and fix it, so that it may stand still a little and a little catch the splendor of ever-standing eternity, and compare it with times that never stand still, and see that it is incomparable; and see that a long time does not become long except from many passing motions, which cannot be extended all at once; but that in the eternal nothing passes, but the whole is present; whereas no time is wholly present; and see that all past time is driven on by the future, and all future follows from the past, and all past and future is created by, and runs out from, that which is always present? Who will hold the heart of man, so that it may stand still and see how eternity, standing still, neither future nor past, dictates future and past times? Is my hand able to do this, or does the hand of my mouth accomplish so great a thing by speaking?
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Summary: Those who ask this do not understand eternity, which is wholly present and stands still while time passes.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.13 (CSEL 33:289–290; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.14CSEL 33:290
Ecce respondeo dicenti: "quid faciebat deus, antequam faceret caelum et terram?" respondeo non illud, quod quidam respondisse perhibetur ioculariter eludens quaestionis uiolentiam: "alta", inquit, "scrutantibus gehennas parabat". aliud est uidere, aliud ridere. haec non respondeo. libentius enim responderim: „nescio, quod nescio" quam illud, unde irridetur qui alta interrogauit et laudatur qui falsa respondit. sed dico deus noster, omnis creaturae creatorem et, si caeli et terrae nomine omnis creatura intellegitur, audenter dico: antequam faceret deus caelum et terram, non faciebat aliquid. si enim faciebat, quid nisi creaturam faciebat? et utinam sic sciam, quidquid utiliter scire cupio, quemadmodum scio, quod nulla fiebat creatura, antequam fieret ulla creatura.
See, I answer the one who asks, "What was God doing before he made heaven and earth?" I do not give the answer which someone is said to have given, jokingly evading the force of the question: "He was preparing hell," he said, "for those who pry into deep matters." It is one thing to see, another to scoff. I do not give that answer. For I would more willingly answer, "I do not know what I do not know," than give an answer by which the one who asked deep things is mocked and the one who answered falsely is praised. But I say that you, our God, are the Creator of every creature, and if every creature is understood by the name of heaven and earth, I boldly say: before God made heaven and earth, he made nothing. For if he was making anything, what was he making but a creature? And I wish I knew whatever I desire to know for my good as surely as I know that no creature was being made before any creature was made.
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Summary: Augustine rejects a joking answer and says plainly that before creating heaven and earth God made nothing.
- The text as printed lacks the object of "I say" (dico ... creatorem); translated by sense ("that you are the Creator").
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (leaked page number): terrae 15 nomine → terrae nomine.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.14 (CSEL 33:290; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.15CSEL 33:290–291
At si cuiusquam uolatilis sensus uagatur per imagines retro temporum et te, deum omnipotentem et omnicreantem et omnitenentem, caeli et terrae artificem, ab opere tanto, antequam id faceres, per innumerabilia saecula cessasse miratur, euigilet atque adtendat, quia falsa miratur. nam unde poterant innumerabilia saecula praeterire, quae ipse non feceras, cum sis omnium saeculorum auctor et conditor? aut quae tempora fuissent, quae abs te condita non essent? aut quomodo praeterirent, si numquam fuissent? cum ergo sis operator omnium temporum, si fuit aliquod tempus, antequam faceres caelum et terram, cur dicitur, quod ab opere cessabas? id ipsum enim tempus tu feceras, nec praeterire potuerunt tempora, antequam faceres tempora. si autem ante caelum et terram nullum erat tempus, cur quaeritur, quid tunc faciebas? non enim erat tunc, ubi non erat tempus.
But if someone's fickle mind wanders among images of past times, and marvels that you, God almighty, all-creating and all-sustaining, maker of heaven and earth, refrained from so great a work for countless ages before you made it, let him wake up and take note that he marvels at something false. For how could countless ages pass which you yourself had not made, since you are the author and founder of all ages? Or what times could there have been which were not founded by you? Or how could they pass if they had never been? Since, then, you are the maker of all times, if there was any time before you made heaven and earth, why is it said that you refrained from work? For you had made that very time, and times could not pass before you made times. But if there was no time before heaven and earth, why is it asked what you were doing then? For there was no "then" where there was no time.
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Summary: There was no time before creation, since God made time itself; so there was no "then" in which God was idle.
- Here and throughout Book 11, tempus is rendered "time," tempora "times."
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: u for a (marked sic in the digital text)): cessabus → cessabas.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.15 (CSEL 33:290–291; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.16CSEL 33:291–292
Nec tu tempore tempora praecedis: alioquin non omnia tempora praecederes. sed praecedis omnia praeterita celsitudine semper praesentis aeternitatis et superas omnia futura, quia illa futura sunt, et cum uenerint, praeterita erunt; tu autem idem ipse es, et anni tui non deficient. anni tui nec eunt nec ueniunt: isti autem nostri eunt et ueniunt, ut omnes ueniant. anni tui omnes simul stant, quoniam stant, nec euntes a uenientibus excluduntur, quia non transeunt: isti autem nostri omnes erunt, cum omnes non erunt. anni tui dies unus, et dies tuus non cotidie, sed hodie, quia hodiernus tuus non cedit crastino; neque enim succedit hesterno. hodiernus tuus aeternitas: ideo coaeternum genuisti, cui dixisti: ego hodie genui te. omnia tempora tu fecisti et ante omnia tempora tu es, nec aliquo tempore non erat tempus.
Nor do you precede times in time; otherwise you would not precede all times. But you precede all past times in the height of an ever-present eternity, and you surpass all future times, because they are future, and when they have come they will be past; "but you are the same, and your years do not fail." Your years neither go nor come; but these years of ours go and come, so that all may come. Your years all stand at once, because they stand still, and those that go are not excluded by those that come, because they do not pass; but these years of ours will all be only when they all are no more. "Your years are one day," and your day is not daily but today, because your today does not give way to tomorrow, nor does it follow yesterday. Your today is eternity; therefore you begot the Coeternal, to whom you said, "Today I have begotten you." You made all times, and you are before all times, and there was no time when there was no time.
Ps 102:27 (101:28 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Pet 3:8 (allusion, medium confidence) · Ps 2:7 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: God precedes all times not in time but in eternity, an ever-present today.
- Quotations: Ps 102:27; Ps 2:7; allusion 2 Pet 3:8.
Topics: Trinity
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.16 (CSEL 33:291–292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.17CSEL 33:292
Nullo ergo tempore non feceras aliquid, quia ipsum tempus tu feceras. et nulla tempora tibi coaeterna sunt, quia tu permanes; at illa si permanerent, non essent tempora. quid est enim tempus? quis hoc facile breuiterque explicauerit? quis hoc ad uerbum de illo proferendum uel cogitatione conprehenderit? quid autem familiarius et notius in loquendo conmemoramus quam tempus? et intellegimus utique, cum id loquimur, intellegimus etiam, cum alio loquente id audimus. quid est ergo tempus? si nemo ex me quaerat, scio; si quaerenti explicare uelim, nescio: fidenter tamen dico scire me, quod, si nihil praeteriret, non esset praeteritum tempus, et si nihil adueniret, non esset futurum tempus, et si nihil esset, non esset praesens tempus. duo ergo illa tempora, praeteritum et futurum, quomodo sunt, quando et praeteritum iam non est et futurum nondum est? praesens autem si semper esset praesens nec in praeteritum transiret, non iam esset tempus, sed aeternitas. si ergo praesens, ut tempus sit, ideo fit, quia in praeteritum transit, quomodo et hoc esse dicimus, cui causa, ut sit, illa est, quia non erit, ut scilicet non uere dicamus tempus esse, nisi quia tendit non esse.
So at no time had you not made something, because you had made time itself. And no times are coeternal with you, because you remain; but if they remained, they would not be times. For what is time? Who can easily and briefly explain it? Who can grasp it even in thought, so as to put it into words? Yet what do we mention more familiarly and knowingly in our speech than time? And we certainly understand when we speak of it; we understand also when we hear another speak of it. What, then, is time? If no one asks me, I know; if I want to explain it to someone who asks, I do not know. Yet I say with confidence that I know that if nothing passed away, there would be no past time; and if nothing were coming, there would be no future time; and if nothing were, there would be no present time. How, then, do those two times, the past and the future, exist, when the past is no longer and the future is not yet? But if the present were always present and did not pass into the past, it would no longer be time but eternity. If, then, the present, in order to be time, comes to be only because it passes into the past, how can we say that it exists, when the cause of its being is that it will not be? So we cannot truly say that time exists, except in the sense that it tends toward not being.
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Summary: "What is time? If no one asks me, I know": past and future do not exist, and the present exists only by passing away.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.17 (CSEL 33:292; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.18CSEL 33:292–293
Et tamen dicimus longum tempus et breue tempus neque hoc nisi de praeterito aut futuro dicimus. praeteritum tempus longum uerbi gratia uocamus ante centum annos, futurum itidem longum post centum annos, breue autem praeteritum sic, ut puta dicamus ante decem dies, et breue futurum post decem dies. sed quo pacto longum est aut breue, quod non est? praeteritum enim iam non est et futurum nondum est. non itaque dicamus: longum est, sed dicamus de praeterito: longum fuit, et de futuro: longum erit. domine meus, lux mea, nonne et hic ueritas tua deridebit hominem? quod enim longum fuit praeteritum tempus, cum iam esset praeteritum, longum fuit, an ante, cum adhuc praesens esset? tunc enim poterat esse longum, quando erat, quod esset longum: praeteritum uero iam non erat; unde nec longum esse poterat, quod omnino non erat. non ergo dicamus: longum fuit praeteritum tempus; neque enim inueniemus, quid fuerit longum, quando ex quo praeteritum est non est, sed dicamus: "longum fuit illud praesens tempus", quia cum praesens esset, longum erat. nondum enim praeterierat, ut non esset, et ideo erat, quod longum esse posset; postea uero quam praeteriit, simul et longum esse destitit, quod esse destitit.
And yet we speak of a long time and a short time, and we say this only of the past or the future. We call a past time long, for example, a hundred years ago, and a future time likewise long, a hundred years hence; and a short past time, say ten days ago, and a short future time, ten days hence. But how can something be long or short which does not exist? For the past is no longer and the future is not yet. So let us not say "it is long," but let us say of the past "it was long," and of the future "it will be long." My Lord, my light, will not your truth mock man here too? For was the past time that was long long when it was already past, or before, when it was still present? For it could be long then, when there was something to be long; but the past no longer existed, so it could not be long, since it did not exist at all. So let us not say, "The past time was long"; for we will not find what was long, since from the moment it became past it does not exist. Let us say, "That present time was long," because when it was present it was long. For it had not yet passed away so as not to exist, and so there was something that could be long; but after it passed away, it ceased to be long at the same moment that it ceased to be.
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Summary: Past time cannot be long, since it no longer exists; only a present time could have been long.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period): "longum. fuit → "longum fuit.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.18 (CSEL 33:292–293; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.19CSEL 33:293–294
Videamus ergo, anima humana, utrum praesens tempus possit esse longum: datum enim tibi est sentire moras atque metiri. quid respondebis mihi? an centum anni praesentes longum tempus est? uide prius, utrum possint praesentes esse centum anni. si enim primus eorum annus agitur, ipse praesens est, nonaginta uero et nouem futuri sunt, et ideo nondum sunt: si autem secundus annus agitur, iam unus est praeteritus, alter praesens, ceteri futuri. atque ita mediorum quemlibet centenarii huius numeri annum praesentem posuerimus: ante illum praeteriti erunt, post illum futuri. quocirca centum anni praesentes esse non poterunt. uide saltem, utrum qui agitur unus ipse sit praesens. et eius enim si primus agitur mensis, futuri sunt ceteri, si secundus, iam et primus praeteriit et reliqui nondum sunt. ergo nec annus, qui agitur, totus est praesens, et si non totus est praesens, non annus est praesens. duodecim enim menses annus est, quorum quilibet unus mensis, qui agitur, ipse praesens est, ceteri aut praeteriti aut futuri. quamquam neque mensis, qui agitur, praesens est, sed unus dies: si primus, futuris ceteris, si nouissimus, praeteritis ceteris, si mediorum quilibet, inter praeteritos et futuros.
Let us see, then, human soul, whether present time can be long; for it has been given to you to perceive intervals and to measure them. What will you answer me? Are a hundred present years a long time? First see whether a hundred years can be present. For if the first of them is going on, it is present, but ninety-nine are future and so do not yet exist; if the second year is going on, one is already past, another present, the rest future. And so whichever year of this hundred we take as present, those before it will be past and those after it future. So a hundred years cannot be present. See at least whether the one year that is going on is itself present. For if its first month is going on, the rest are future; if the second, the first has already passed and the rest do not yet exist. So not even the year that is going on is wholly present; and if it is not wholly present, it is not a year that is present. For a year is twelve months, of which whichever month is going on is present, the rest past or future. And yet not even the month that is going on is present, but one day: if the first, the rest are future; if the last, the rest are past; if any in between, it is between past and future.
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Summary: A hundred years, a year, or a month cannot be present as a whole; at most one day is.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.19 (CSEL 33:293–294; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.20CSEL 33:294–295
Ecce praesens tempus, quod solum inueniebamus longum appellandum, uix ad unius diei spatium contractum est. sed discutiamus etiam ipsum, quia nec unus dies totus est praesens. nocturnis enim et diurnis horis omnibus uiginti quattuor expletur, quarum prima ceteras futuras habet, nouissima praeteritas, aliqua uero interiectarum ante se praeteritas, post se futuras. et ipsa una hora fugitiuis particulis agitur: quidquid eius auolauit, praeteritum est, quidquid ei restat, futurum. si quid intellegitur temporis, quod in nullas iam uel minutissimas momentorum partes diuidi possit, id solum est, quod praesens dicatur; quod tamen ita raptim a futuro in praeteritum transuolat, ut nulla morula extendatur. nam si extenditur, diuiditur in praeteritum et futurum: praesens autem nullum habet spatium. ubi est ergo tempus, quod longum dicamus? an futurum? non quidem dicimus: longum est, quia nondum est quod longum sit, sed dicimus: longum erit. quando igitur erit? si enim et tunc adhuc futurum erit, non erit longum, quia quid sit longum nondum erit: si autem tunc erit longum, cum ex futuro quod nondum est esse iam coeperit et praesens factum erit, ut possit esse quod longum sit, iam superioribus uocibus clamat praesens tempus longum se esse non posse.
See, the present time, which alone we found might be called long, has shrunk to the space of scarcely one day. But let us examine even that, because not even one day is wholly present. For it is made up of twenty-four hours of night and day, of which the first has the rest in the future, the last has them in the past, and any in between has those before it past and those after it future. And that one hour itself passes in fleeting particles: whatever of it has flown away is past, whatever remains is future. If any time can be conceived which cannot be divided into even the tiniest parts of moments, that alone can be called present; yet it flies so swiftly from the future into the past that it is not extended by the least delay. For if it is extended, it is divided into past and future; but the present has no extent. Where, then, is the time we may call long? Is it the future? We do not say, "It is long," because there is not yet anything to be long, but we say, "It will be long." When, then, will it be? For if even then it is still future, it will not be long, because what may be long does not yet exist; but if it will be long at the time when, from being future and not yet existing, it has begun to exist and has become present, so that there can be something long, the present time cries out in the words above that it cannot be long.
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Summary: Even a day and an hour divide into past and future; the present has no extent, so no time can be long.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.20 (CSEL 33:294–295; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.21CSEL 33:295
Et tamen, domine, sentimus interualla temporum et conparamus sibimet et dicimus alia longiora et alia breuiora. metimur etiam, quanto sit longius aut breuius illud tempus quam illud et respondemus duplum esse hoc uel triplum, illud autem simplum aut tantum hoc esse quantum illud. sed praetereuntia metimur tempora, cum sentiendo metimur; praeterita uero, quae iam non sunt, aut futura, quae nondum sunt, quis metiri potest, nisi forte audebit quis dicere metiri posse quod non est? cum ergo praeterit tempus, sentiri et metiri potest, cum autem praeterierit, quoniam non est, non potest.
And yet, Lord, we perceive intervals of time and compare them with each other, and we say that some are longer and others shorter. We even measure how much longer or shorter one time is than another, and we answer that this is double or triple that, and that one single, or that this is as long as that. But it is times passing by that we measure, when we measure them by perceiving them; but who can measure past times, which no longer exist, or future times, which do not yet exist, unless perhaps someone will dare to say that what does not exist can be measured? So while time is passing, it can be perceived and measured; but when it has passed, it cannot, because it does not exist.
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Summary: We do measure time, but only while it passes, since past and future do not exist.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.21 (CSEL 33:295; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.22CSEL 33:295–296
Quaero, pater, non adfirmo: deus meus, praeside mihi et rege me. quisnam est, qui dicat mihi non esse tria tempora, sicut pueri didicimus puerosque docuimus, praeteritum, praesens et futurum, sed tantum praesens, quoniam illa duo non sunt? an et ipsa sunt, sed ex aliquo procedit occulto, cum ex futuro fit praesens, et in aliquod recedit occultum, cum ex praesenti fit praeteritum? nam ubi ea uiderunt qui futura cecinerunt, si nondum sunt? neque enim potest uideri id quod non est. et qui narrant praeterita, non utique uera narrarent, si animo illa non cernerent: quae si nulla essent, cerni omnino non possent. sunt ergo et futura et praeterita.
I am inquiring, Father, not asserting. My God, preside over me and rule me. Who is there to tell me that there are not three times, as we learned as boys and have taught boys, past, present, and future, but only the present, since those two do not exist? Or do they exist too, but come forth from some hidden place when from future it becomes present, and withdraw into some hidden place when from present it becomes past? For where did those who sang of the future see these things, if they do not yet exist? For what does not exist cannot be seen. And those who tell of the past would certainly not tell true things if they did not discern them in their minds; and if these things did not exist at all, they could not be discerned at all. So both future and past things exist.
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Summary: Prophets see the future and historians the past; so in some way past and future exist.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.22 (CSEL 33:295–296; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.23CSEL 33:296
Sine me, domine, amplius quaerere, spes mea; non conturbetur intentio mea. si enim sunt futura et praeterita, uolo scire, ubi sint. quod si nondum ualeo, scio tamen, ubicumque sunt, non ibi ea futura esse aut praeterita, sed praesentia. nam et si ibi futura sunt, nondum ibi sunt, si et ibi praeterita sunt, iam non ibi sunt. ubicumque ergo sunt, quaecumque sunt, non sunt nisi praesentia. quamquam praeterita cum uera narrantur, ex memoria proferuntur non res ipsae, quae praeterierunt, sed uerba concepta ex imaginibus earum, quae in animo uelut uestigia per sensus praetereundo fixerunt. pueritia quippe mea, quae iam non est, in tempore praeterito est, quod iam non est; imaginem uero eius, cum eam recolo et narro, in praesenti tempore intueor, quia est adhuc in memoria mea. utrum similis sit causa etiam praedicendorum futurorum, ut rerum, quae nondum sunt, iam exsistentes praesentiantur imagines, confiteor, deus meus, nescio. illud sane scio, nos plerumque praemeditari futuras actiones nostras eamque praemeditationem esse praesentem, actionem autem, quam praemeditamur, nondum esse, quia futura est; quam cum aggressi fuerimus et quod praemeditabamur agere coeperimus, tunc erit illa actio, quia tunc non futura, sed praesens erit.
Allow me, Lord, my hope, to inquire further; let my attention not be confused. For if future and past things exist, I want to know where they are. And if I am not yet able to know that, I do know that wherever they are, they are not there as future or past, but as present. For if they are future there too, they are not yet there; and if they are past there too, they are no longer there. So wherever they are, whatever they are, they are only present. Although when past things are truly told, what is brought out of memory is not the things themselves, which have passed away, but words conceived from their images, which they fixed in the mind like footprints as they passed through the senses. My boyhood, for instance, which no longer exists, is in past time, which no longer exists; but when I recall and tell of it, I see its image in present time, because it is still in my memory. Whether there is a similar cause for foretelling future things, so that already existing images of things that do not yet exist are perceived beforehand, I confess, my God, I do not know. This I do know: that we often plan our future actions beforehand, and that this planning is present, whereas the action we are planning does not yet exist, because it is future; when we have set about it and begun to do what we were planning, then that action will exist, because then it will not be future but present.
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Summary: Wherever past and future are, they are present: the past as images in memory, the future as present plans.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.23 (CSEL 33:296; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.24CSEL 33:296–297
Quoquo modo se itaque habeat arcana praesensio futurorum, uideri nisi quod est non potest. quod autem iam est, non futurum sed praesens est. cum ergo uideri dicuntur futura, non ipsa, quae nondum sunt, id est quae futura sunt, sed eorum causae uel signa forsitan uidentur, quae iam sunt: ideo non futura, sed praesentia sunt iam uidentibus, ex quibus futura praedicantur animo concepta. quae rursus conceptiones iam sunt, et eas praesentes apud se intuentur qui illa praedicunt. loquatur mihi aliquod exemplum tanta rerum numerositas. intueor auroram: oriturum solem praenuntio. quod intueor, praesens est, quod praenuntio, futurum: non sol futurus, qui iam est, sed ortus eius, qui nondum est: tamen etiam ortum ipsum nisi animo imaginarer, sicut modo cum id loquor, non eum possem praedicere. sed nec illa aurora, quam in caelo uideo, solis ortus est, quamuis eum praecedat, nec illa imaginatio in animo meo: quae duo praesentia cernuntur, ut futurus ille ante dicatur. futura ergo nondum sunt, et si nondum sunt, non sunt, et si non sunt, uideri omnino non possunt; sed praedici possunt ex praesentibus, quae iam sunt et uidentur.
So, however it is with the mysterious foreknowledge of future things, nothing can be seen except what exists. And what already exists is not future but present. So when future things are said to be seen, it is not the things themselves which do not yet exist, that is, which are future, that are seen, but perhaps their causes or signs, which already exist; so they are not future but present to those who see them, and from them future things are foretold, conceived in the mind. These conceptions in turn already exist, and those who foretell those things see them present in themselves. Let some example out of the vast number of things speak to me. I look at the dawn; I announce that the sun is about to rise. What I look at is present; what I announce is future: not the sun, which already exists, but its rising, which does not yet exist. Yet unless I imagined the rising itself in my mind, as now when I speak of it, I could not foretell it. But neither that dawn which I see in the sky is the sunrise, although it precedes it, nor is that image in my mind: these two are seen as present, so that the future rising may be spoken of beforehand. So future things do not yet exist, and if they do not yet exist, they do not exist, and if they do not exist, they cannot be seen at all; but they can be foretold from present things, which already exist and are seen.
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Summary: The future is foretold from present signs and images, as the dawn foretells the sunrise.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.24 (CSEL 33:296–297; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.25CSEL 33:297
Tu itaque, regnator creaturae tuae, quis est modus, quo doces animas ea quae futura sunt? docuisti enim prophetas tuos. quisnam ille modus est, quo doces futura, cui futurorum quicquam non est? uel potius de futuris doces praesentia? nam quod non est, nec doceri utique potest. nimis longe est modus iste ab acie mea; inualuit ex me, nec potero ad illum; potero autem ex te, cum dederis tu, dulce lumen occultorum oculorum meorum.
You, then, ruler of your creation, what is the way in which you teach souls things that are future? For you taught your prophets. What is the way in which you teach the future, you to whom nothing is future? Or rather, do you teach present things about the future? For what does not exist certainly cannot be taught. That way is far beyond my sight; "it has grown too strong for me, and I shall not be able to reach it"; but I shall be able by you, when you grant it, sweet light of my hidden eyes.
Ps 139:6 (138:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: How God taught the prophets the future is beyond Augustine's understanding.
- Quotation: Ps 139:6.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.25 (CSEL 33:297; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.26CSEL 33:297–298
Quod autem nunc liquet et claret, nec futura sunt nec praeterita, nec proprie dicitur: tempora sunt tria, praeteritum, praesens et futurum. sed fortasse proprie diceretur: tempora sunt tria, praesens de praeteritis, praesens de praesentibus, praesens de futuris. sunt enim haec in anima tria quaedam et alibi ea non uideo, praesens de praeteritis memoria, praesens de praesentibus contuitus, praesens de futuris expectatio. si haec permittimur dicere, tria tempora uideo fateorque, tria sunt. dicatur etiam: tempora sunt tria, praeteritum, praesens et futurum, sicut abutitur consuetudo; dicatur. ecce non curo nec resisto nec reprehendo, dum tamen intellegatur quod dicitur, neque id, quod futurum est, esse iam, neque id, quod praeteritum est. pauca sunt enim, quae proprie loquimur, plura non proprie, sed agnoscitur quid uelimus.
But what is now clear and plain is that neither future nor past things exist, nor is it properly said, "There are three times, past, present, and future." But perhaps it would be properly said, "There are three times: a present of past things, a present of present things, a present of future things." For these three are in the soul in some way, and I do not see them anywhere else: the present of past things is memory, the present of present things is direct attention, the present of future things is expectation. If we are allowed to say this, I see three times, and I confess there are three. Let it still be said, "There are three times, past, present, and future," as custom misuses the words; let it be said. See, I do not mind, nor resist, nor find fault, as long as what is said is understood: that neither what is future nor what is past exists now. For there are few things we speak of properly, and many improperly; but what we mean is recognized.
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Summary: Properly there are three presents in the soul: memory of the past, attention to the present, expectation of the future.
- The three terms are memoria ("memory"), contuitus ("direct attention"), and expectatio ("expectation"); they are rendered consistently below.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: e for c): nee futura → nec futura.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.26 (CSEL 33:297–298; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.27CSEL 33:298–299
Dixi ergo paulo ante, quod praetereuntia tempora metimur, ut possimus dicere duplum esse hoc temporis ad illud simplum aut tantum hoc quantum illud et si quid aliud de partibus temporum possumus renuntiare metiendo. quocirca, ut dicebam, praetereuntia metimur tempora, et si quis mihi dicat: "unde scis?" respondeam: scio, quia metimur, nec metiri quae non sunt possumus, et non sunt praeterita uel futura. praesens uero tempus quomodo metimur, quando non habet spatium? metitur ergo cum praeterit, cum autem praeterierit, non metitur; quid enim metiatur, non erit. sed unde et qua et quo praeterit, cum metitur? unde nisi ex futuro? qua nisi per praesens? quo nisi in praeteritum? ex illo ergo, quod nondum est, per illud, quod spatio caret, in illud, quod iam non est. quid autem metimur nisi tempus in aliquo spatio? neque enim dicimus simpla et dupla et tripla et aequalia et si quid hoc modo in tempore dicimus nisi spatia temporum. in quo ergo spatio metimur tempus praeteriens? utrum in futuro, unde praeterit? sed quod nondum est, non metimur. an in praesenti, qua praeterit? sed nullum spatium non metimur. an in praeterito, quo praeterit? sed quod iam non est, non metimur.
I said a little earlier, then, that we measure times as they pass, so that we can say that this time is double that single one, or this as long as that, and whatever else we can report about the parts of time by measuring. So, as I was saying, we measure times as they pass; and if anyone says to me, "How do you know?" I would answer: I know because we measure them, and we cannot measure what does not exist, and past and future things do not exist. But how do we measure present time, when it has no extent? It is measured, then, while it passes; but when it has passed, it is not measured, for there will be nothing to measure. But from where, by which way, and to where does it pass while it is measured? From where but from the future? By which way but through the present? To where but into the past? From that, then, which does not yet exist, through that which has no extent, into that which no longer exists. But what do we measure, if not time in some extent? For we do not speak of single and double and triple and equal, and anything else of this kind in time, except of extents of time. In what extent, then, do we measure time as it passes? In the future, from which it passes? But we do not measure what does not yet exist. In the present, by which it passes? But we do not measure what has no extent. In the past, into which it passes? But we do not measure what no longer exists.
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Summary: Time passes from the future, which is not, through the present, which has no extent, into the past, which is not; how then is it measured?
- Spatium is rendered "extent" in this argument.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period): quocirca., ut → quocirca, ut.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.27 (CSEL 33:298–299; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.28CSEL 33:299–300
Exarsit animus meus nosse istuc inplicatissimum aenigma. noli claudere, domine deus meus, bone pater, per Christum obsecro, noli claudere desiderio meo ista et usitata et abdita, quominus in ea penetret et dilucescant allucente misericordia tua, domine. quem percontabor de his? et cui fructuosius confitebor inperitiam meam nisi tibi, cui non sunt molesta studia mea flammantia uehementer in scripturas tuas? da quod amo: amo enim, et hoc tu dedisti. da, pater, qui uere nosti data bona dare filiis tuis, da, quoniam suscepi cognoscere et labor est ante me, donec aperias. per Christum obsecro, in nomine eius sancti sanctorum nemo mihi obstrepat. et ego credidi, propter quod et loquor. haec est spes mea; ad hanc uiuo, ut contempler delectationem domini. ecce ueteres posuisti dies meos et transeunt, et quomodo, nescio. et dicimus tempus et tempus, tempora et tempora: "quamdiu dixit hoc ille", "quamdiu fecit hoc ille" et: "quam longo tempore illud non uidi" et: "duplum temporis habet haec syllaba ad illam simplam breuem." dicimus haec et audiuimus haec et intellegimur et intellegimus. manifestissima et usitatissima sunt, et eadem rursus nimis latent et noua est inuentio eorum.
My mind is on fire to know this most intricate riddle. Do not shut them, Lord my God, good Father; I beseech you through Christ, do not shut these things, both familiar and hidden, against my desire, so that it may not enter into them and they may not grow clear as your mercy shines on them, Lord. Whom shall I ask about these things? And to whom shall I confess my ignorance more fruitfully than to you, who are not wearied by my studies burning so vehemently toward your Scriptures? Give what I love; for I do love, and this you have given. Give, Father, who truly know how to give good gifts to your children; give, because I have undertaken to know, and "it is toil before me" until you open it. I beseech you through Christ, in his name, the Holy of holies, let no one disturb me. "I too have believed, and therefore I speak." This is my hope; for this I live, "to contemplate the delight of the Lord." "See, you have made my days old," and they pass, and how, I do not know. And we speak of time and time, times and times: "How long did he say this?" "How long did he do this?" and "How long a time it is since I saw that!" and "This syllable has double the time of that single short one." We say these things and hear them, and we are understood and we understand. They are most plain and most familiar, and at the same time they are deeply hidden, and their discovery is new.
Matt 7:11 (allusion, high confidence) · Ps 73:16 (72:16 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 116:10 (115:10 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · 2 Cor 4:13 (quotation, medium confidence) · Ps 27:4 (26:4 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence) · Ps 39:5 (38:6 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine prays for understanding of time, which is both perfectly familiar and utterly obscure.
- Quotations: Matt 7:11; Ps 73:16; Ps 116:10 (2 Cor 4:13); Ps 27:4; Ps 39:5 (Old Latin).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray punctuation for an opening quotation mark): :.,,quamdiu → : "quamdiu.
Topics: Prayer
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.28 (CSEL 33:299–300; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.29CSEL 33:300
Audiui a quodam homine docto, quod solis et lunae ac siderum motus ipsa sint tempora, et non adnui. cur enim non potius omnium corporum motus sint tempora? an uero, si cessarent caeli lumina et moueretur rota figuli, non esset tempus, quo metiremur eos gyros et diceremus aut aequalibus morulis agi, aut si alias tardius, alias uelocius moueretur, alios magis diuturnos esse, alios minus? aut cum haec diceremus, non et nos in tempore loqueremur aut essent in uerbis nostris aliae longae syllabae, aliae breues, nisi quia illae longiore tempore sonuissent, istae breuiore? deus, dona hominibus uidere in paruo communes notitias rerum paruarum atque magnarum. sunt sidera et luminaria caeli in signis et in temporibus et in diebus et in annis. sunt uero; sed nec ego dixerim circuitum illius ligneolae rotae diem esse, nec tamen ideo tempus non esse ille dixerit.
I have heard from a certain learned man that the motions of the sun and moon and stars are themselves times, and I did not agree. For why should not the motions of all bodies rather be times? Or indeed, if the lights of heaven ceased and a potter's wheel were moving, would there be no time by which we could measure its turns and say either that they went at equal intervals, or, if it moved sometimes more slowly and sometimes faster, that some turns were longer and others shorter? Or when we said this, would we not also be speaking in time, and would there be some long syllables in our words and others short, except because the former sounded for a longer time and the latter for a shorter? God, grant men to see in something small the notions common to small and great things. The stars and lights of heaven are "for signs and for times and for days and for years." They are indeed; but neither would I say that the turning of that little wooden wheel is a day, nor would that learned man say that it is therefore not time.
Gen 1:14 (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Time is not simply the motion of the heavenly bodies; a potter's wheel would also turn in time.
- Quotation: Gen 1:14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: a for u): moralis agi → morulis agi.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.29 (CSEL 33:300; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.30CSEL 33:300–301
Ego scire cupio uim naturamque temporis, quo metimur corporum motus et dicimus illum motum uerbi gratia tempore duplo esse diuturniorem quam istum. nam quaero, quoniam dies dicitur non tantum mora solis super terram, secundum quod aliud est dies, aliud nox, sed etiam totius eius circuitus ab oriente usque orientem, secundum quod dicimus: "tot dies transierunt". cum suis enim noctibus dicuntur tot dies, nec extra reputantur spatia noctium. quoniam ergo dies expletur motu solis atque circuitu ab oriente usque ad orientem, quaero, utrum motus ipse sit dies an mora ipsa, quanta peragitur, an utrumque. si enim primum dies esset, dies ergo esset, etiamsi tanto spatio temporis sol cursum illum peregisset, quantum est horae unius. si secundum, non ergo esset dies, si ab ortu solis usque in ortum alterum tam breuis mora esset, quam est horae unius, sed uiciens et quater circuiret sol, ut expleret diem. si utrumque, nec ille appellaretur dies, si horae spatio sol totum suum gyrum circumiret, nec ille, si sole cessante tantum temporis praeteriret, quanto peragere sol totum ambitum de mane in mane adsolet. non itaque nunc quaeram, quid sit illud, quod uocatur dies, sed quid sit tempus, quo metientes solis circuitum diceremus eum dimidio spatio temporis peractum minus quam solet, si tanto spatio temporis peractus esset, quanto peraguntur horae duodecim, et utrumque tempus conparantes diceremus illud simplum, hoc duplum, etiamsi aliquando illo simplo, aliquando isto duplo sol ab oriente usque orientem circuiret. nemo ergo mihi dicat caelestium corporum motus esse tempora, quia et cuiusdam uoto cum sol stetisset, ut uictoriosum proelium perageret, sol stabat, sed tempus ibat. per suum quippe spatium temporis, quod ei sufficeret, illa pugna gesta atque finita est. uideo igitur quandam esse distentionem. sed uideo? an uidere mihi uideor? tu demonstrabis, lux, ueritas.
I want to know the power and nature of time, by which we measure the motions of bodies and say, for example, that this motion lasts twice as long as that. For I ask this: since a day is called not only the stay of the sun above the earth, by which day is one thing and night another, but also its whole circuit from east to east, by which we say, "So many days have passed" (for so many days are counted with their nights, and the spaces of the nights are not reckoned separately); since, then, a day is completed by the motion and circuit of the sun from east to east, I ask whether the motion itself is the day, or the duration in which it is completed, or both. For if the first were the day, it would be a day even if the sun completed that course in a space of time as short as one hour. If the second, it would not be a day if from one sunrise to the next there were a duration as short as one hour, but the sun would have to go round twenty-four times to complete a day. If both, neither would that be called a day if the sun went its whole round in the space of an hour, nor would this, if the sun stopped and as much time passed as the sun usually takes to complete its whole circuit from morning to morning. So I will not now ask what it is that is called a day, but what time is, by which, measuring the sun's circuit, we would say that it was completed in half the usual space of time if it were completed in as much time as twelve hours take; and comparing both times, we would call the one single and the other double, even if the sun sometimes went round from east to east in the single and sometimes in the double time. Let no one tell me, then, that the motions of the heavenly bodies are times; for when the sun stood still at a certain man's prayer, so that he might finish a battle victoriously, the sun stood still, but time went on. For that battle was fought and finished in its own space of time, which sufficed for it. So I see that time is a kind of distension. But do I see it? Or do I seem to myself to see it? You will show me, Light, Truth.
Josh 10:12–14 (allusion, high confidence)
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Summary: When the sun stood still for Joshua, time went on; time is a kind of distension, not the motion of bodies.
- "Distension" (distentio) is Augustine's key term for time here: a stretching out. It is rendered "distension" throughout Book 11. Allusion: Josh 10:12-14.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: a for u): utram motus → utrum motus.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.30 (CSEL 33:300–301; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Knöll's Latin text (CSEL 33, 1896); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 1 translation (Pilkington, 1886).
11.31CSEL 33:301–302
Iubes ut adprobem, si quis dicat tempus esse motum corporis? non iubes. nam corpus nullum nisi in tempore moueri audio: tu dicis. ipsum autem corporis motum tempus esse non audio: non tu dicis. cum enim mouetur corpus, tempore metior, quamdiu moueatur, ex quo moueri incipit, donec desinat. et si non uidi, ex quo coepit, et perseuerat moueri, ut non uideam cum desinit, non ualeo metiri, nisi forte ex quo uidere incipio, donec desinam. quod si diu uideo, tantummodo longum tempus esse renuntio, non autem quantum sit, quia et quantum cum dicimus, conlatione dicimus, uelut: "tantum hoc, quantum illud" aut: "duplum hoc ad illud" et si quid aliud isto modo. si autem notare potuerimus locorum spatia, unde et quo ueniat corpus, quod mouetur, uel partes eius, si tamquam in torno mouetur, possumus dicere, quantum sit temporis, ex quo ab illo loco usque ad illum locum motus corporis uel partis eius effectus est. cum itaque aliud sit motus corporis, aliud, quo metimur quamdiu sit, quis non sentiat, quid horum potius tempus dicendum sit? nam si et uarie corpus aliquando mouetur, aliquando stat, non solum motum eius, sed etiam statum tempore metimur et dicimus: "tantum stetit, quantum motum est" aut: "duplo uel triplo stetit ad id quod motum est" et si quid aliud nostra dimensio siue conprehenderit siue existimauerit, ut dici solet plus minus. non ergo tempus corporis motus.
Do you command me to agree if someone says that time is the motion of a body? You do not. For I hear that no body moves except in time: you say so. But I do not hear that the motion of a body is itself time: you do not say so. For when a body moves, I measure by time how long it moves, from when it begins to move until it stops. And if I did not see when it began, and it goes on moving so that I do not see when it stops, I cannot measure it, except perhaps from when I begin to see it until I stop. And if I see it for a long time, I can only report that the time is long, not how long it is; because when we say "how long," we say it by comparison, as "this is as long as that" or "this is double that," and so on. But if we can mark the distances of the places from which and to which the moving body goes, or its parts, if it moves as on a lathe, we can say how much time it took for the motion of the body or its part from this place to that. Since, then, the motion of a body is one thing and that by which we measure how long it lasts is another, who does not see which of these should rather be called time? For if a body sometimes moves and sometimes stands still, we measure by time not only its motion but also its rest, and we say, "It stood still as long as it moved," or "It stood still twice or three times as long as it moved," and whatever else our measurement either grasps exactly or estimates, as we usually say, more or less. So time is not the motion of a body.
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Summary: We measure both motion and rest by time; so time is not the motion of a body.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: i for x): ei quo coepit → ex quo coepit.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.31 (CSEL 33:301–302; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Knöll's Latin text (CSEL 33, 1896); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 1 translation (Pilkington, 1886).
11.32CSEL 33:302–303
Et confiteor tibi, domine, ignorare me adhuc, quid sit tempus, et rursus confiteor tibi, domine, scire me in tempore ista dicere et diu me iam loqui de tempore atque ipsum diu non esse diu nisi mora temporis. quomodo igitur hoc scio, quando quid sit tempus nescio? an forte nescio, quemadmodum dicam quod scio? ei mihi, qui nescio saltem quid nesciam! ecce, deus meus, coram te, quia non mentior: sicut loquor, ita est cor meum. tu inluminabis lucernam meam, domine, deus meus, inluminabis tenebras meas.
And I confess to you, Lord, that I still do not know what time is; and again I confess to you, Lord, that I know that I say these things in time, and that I have now been speaking of time for a long time, and that this very "long" is not long except by a duration of time. How, then, do I know this, when I do not know what time is? Or perhaps I do not know how to say what I know? Alas for me, who do not even know what I do not know! See, my God, before you I do not lie: as I speak, so is my heart. "You will light my lamp, Lord my God; you will enlighten my darkness."
Ps 18:28 (17:29 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: Augustine confesses that he knows he speaks in time but still does not know what time is.
- Quotation: Ps 18:28.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.32 (CSEL 33:302–303; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Knöll's Latin text (CSEL 33, 1896); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 1 translation (Pilkington, 1886).
11.33CSEL 33:303–304
Nonne tibi confitetur anima mea confessione ueridica metiri me tempora? ita, domine deus meus, metior et quid metiar nescio. metior motum corporis tempore. item ipsum tempus nonne metior? an uero corporis motum metirer, quamdiu sit et quamdiu hinc illuc perueniat, nisi tempus, in quo mouetur, metirer? ipsum ergo tempus unde metior? an tempore breuiore metimur longius sicut spatio cubiti spatium transtri? sic enim uidemus spatio breuis syllabae metiri spatium longae syllabae atque id duplum dicere. ita metimur spatia carminum spatiis uersuum et spatia uersuum spatiis pedum et spatia pedum spatiis syllabarum et spatia longarum spatiis breuium, non in paginis — nam eo modo loca metimur, non tempora — sed cum uoces pronuntiando transeunt et dicimus: "longum carmen est, nam tot uersibus contexitur; longi uersus, nam tot pedibus constant; longi pedes, nam tot syllabis tenduntur; longa syllaba est, nam dupla est ad breuem". sed neque ita conprehenditur certa mensura temporis, quandoquidem fieri potest, ut ampliore spatio temporis personet uersus breuior, si productius pronuntietur, quam longior, si correptius. ita carmen, ita pes, ita syllaba. inde mihi uisum est nihil esse aliud tempus quam distentionem: sed cuius rei, nescio, et mirum, si non ipsius animi. quid enim metior, obsecro, deus meus, et dico aut indefinite: "longius est hoc tempus quam illud" aut etiam definite: "duplum est hoc ad illud?" tempus metior, scio; sed non metior futurum, quia nondum est, non metior praesens, quia nullo spatio tenditur, non metior praeteritum, quia iam non est. quid ergo metior? an praetereuntia tempora, non praeterita? sic enim dixeram.
Does not my soul confess to you with truthful confession that I measure times? So, Lord my God, I measure, and I do not know what I measure. I measure the motion of a body by time. And do I not measure time itself? Could I measure the motion of a body, how long it lasts and how long it takes to get from here to there, unless I measured the time in which it moves? With what, then, do I measure time itself? Do we measure a longer time by a shorter one, as we measure the length of a beam by the length of a cubit? For so we see the length of a long syllable measured by the length of a short one, and called double. So we measure the lengths of poems by the lengths of lines, and the lengths of lines by the lengths of feet, and the lengths of feet by the lengths of syllables, and the lengths of long syllables by those of short ones; not on pages (for in that way we measure spaces, not times), but when the words pass by as we pronounce them, and we say: "It is a long poem, for it is made up of so many lines; the lines are long, for they consist of so many feet; the feet are long, for they stretch over so many syllables; the syllable is long, for it is double a short one." But not even in this way is a sure measure of time grasped, since it can happen that a shorter line, if it is pronounced more slowly, sounds for a longer space of time than a longer one pronounced more quickly. So with a poem, so with a foot, so with a syllable. From this it seemed to me that time is nothing other than distension; but of what, I do not know, and it would be strange if it were not of the mind itself. For what do I measure, I beseech you, my God, when I say either indefinitely, "This time is longer than that," or definitely, "This is double that"? I measure time, I know; but I do not measure the future, because it does not yet exist; I do not measure the present, because it is not extended over any space; I do not measure the past, because it no longer exists. What, then, do I measure? Times passing, not past? For so I had said.
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Summary: Measuring lines and syllables gives no fixed measure; time seems to be a distension, perhaps of the mind itself.
- "Distension of the mind" (distentio animi) is Augustine's definition of time, developed in 11.33-39.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR garble): conStetur → confitetur.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.33 (CSEL 33:303–304; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Knöll's Latin text (CSEL 33, 1896); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 1 translation (Pilkington, 1886).
11.34CSEL 33:304–305
Insiste, anime meus, et adtende fortiter: deus adiutor noster; ipse fecit nos, et non nos. adtende, ubi albescet ueritas. ecce puta uox corporis incipit sonare et sonat et adhuc sonat et ecce desinit, iamque silentium est, et uox illa praeterita est et non est iam uox. futura erat, antequam sonaret, et non poterat metiri, quia nondum erat, et nunc non potest, quia iam non est. tunc ergo poterat, cum sonabat, quia tunc erat, quae metiri posset. sed et tunc non stabat; ibat enim et praeteriebat. an ideo magis poterat? praeteriens enim tendebatur in aliquod spatium temporis, quo metiri posset, quoniam praesens nullum habet spatium. si ergo tunc poterat, ecce puta altera coepit sonare et adhuc sonat continuato tenore sine ulla distinctione: metiamur eam, dum sonat; cum enim sonare cessauerit, iam praeterita erit et non erit, quae possit metiri. metiamur plane et dicamus, quanta sit. sed adhuc sonat nec metiri potest nisi ab initio sui, quo sonare coepit, usque ad finem, quo desinit. ipsum quippe interuallum metimur ab aliquo initio usque ad aliquem finem. quapropter uox, quae numquam finita est, metiri non potest, ut dicatur, quam longa uel breuis sit, nec dici aut aequalis alicui aut ad aliquam simpla uel dupla uel quid aliud. cum autem finita fuerit, iam non erit. quo pacto igitur metiri poterit? et metimur tamen tempora, nec ea, quae nondum sunt, nec ea, quae iam non sunt, nec ea, quae nulla mora extenduntur, nec ea, quae terminos non habent. nec futura ergo nec praeterita nec praesentia nec praetereuntia tempora metimur et metimur tamen tempora.
Persevere, my mind, and attend strongly: "God is our helper"; "he made us, and not we ourselves." Attend to where truth is dawning. See, suppose a bodily voice begins to sound, and sounds, and still sounds, and then stops, and now there is silence, and that voice is past and is no longer a voice. It was future before it sounded, and it could not be measured, because it did not yet exist; and now it cannot, because it no longer exists. So it could be measured then, while it was sounding, because then there was something that could be measured. But even then it was not standing still; for it was going and passing away. Or was it for this reason more measurable? For in passing it was stretched out into some space of time by which it could be measured, since the present has no space. If, then, it could be measured then, see, suppose another voice has begun to sound and still sounds in one continuous tone without any break: let us measure it while it sounds; for when it has stopped sounding, it will already be past and there will be nothing that can be measured. Let us measure it, then, and say how long it is. But it is still sounding, and it cannot be measured except from its beginning, when it began to sound, to its end, when it stops. For it is the interval itself that we measure, from some beginning to some end. So a voice which has never ended cannot be measured, so as to say how long or short it is, nor can it be called equal to another, or single or double in relation to another, or anything else. But when it has ended, it will no longer exist. How, then, can it be measured? And yet we measure times: not those that do not yet exist, nor those that no longer exist, nor those that are extended by no duration, nor those that have no limits. So we measure neither future nor past nor present nor passing times, and yet we measure times.
Ps 62:8 (61:9 Vulg.) (echo, low confidence) · Ps 100:3 (99:3 Vulg.) (quotation, high confidence)
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Summary: A sound can be measured neither before, during, nor after it sounds; yet we do measure times.
- Quotations: Ps 100:3; echo Ps 62:8.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: stray capital): initio Sui → initio sui.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.34 (CSEL 33:304–305; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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11.35CSEL 33:305–306
Deus creator omnium: uersus iste octo syllabarum breuibus et longis alternat syllabis: quattuor itaque breues, prima, tertia, quinta, septima, simplae sunt ad quattuor longas, secundam, quartam, sextam, octauam. hae singulae ad illas singulas duplum habent temporis; pronuntio et renuntio, et ita est, quantum sentitur sensu manifesto. quantum sensus manifestus est, breui syllaba longam metior eamque sentio habere bis tantum. sed cum altera post alteram sonat, si prior breuis, longa posterior, quomodo tenebo breuem et quomodo eam longae metiens applicabo, ut inueniam, quod bis tantum habeat, quandoquidem longa sonare non incipit, nisi breuis sonare destiterit? ipsamque longam num praesentem metior, quando nisi finitam non metior? eius enim finitio praeteritio est. quid ergo est, quod metior? ubi est qua metior breuis? ubi est longa quam metior? ambae sonuerunt, auolauerunt, praeterierunt, iam non sunt: et ego metior fidenterque respondeo, quantum exercitato sensu fiditur, illam simplam esse, illam duplam, in spatio scilicet temporis. neque hoc possum, nisi quia praeterierunt et finitae sunt. non ergo ipsas, quae iam non sunt, sed aliquid in memoria mea metior, quod infixum manet.
"Deus creator omnium": this line of eight syllables alternates short and long syllables. So the four short ones, the first, third, fifth, and seventh, are single in relation to the four long ones, the second, fourth, sixth, and eighth. Each of these has double the time of each of those. I pronounce it and report on it, and it is so, as far as is perceived by plain perception. As far as perception is plain, I measure the long syllable by the short one and perceive that it has twice as much. But when one sounds after the other, if the first is short and the second long, how shall I hold the short one, and how shall I apply it to the long one to measure it, so as to find that the long has twice as much, since the long does not begin to sound until the short has stopped? And do I measure the long one itself while present, when I do not measure it until it has ended? For its ending is its passing away. What, then, is it that I measure? Where is the short syllable by which I measure? Where is the long one that I measure? Both have sounded, flown away, passed, and are no more; and yet I measure, and I answer confidently, as far as a trained sense can be trusted, that the one is single and the other double, in extent of time, of course. And I cannot do this except because they have passed and ended. So it is not the syllables themselves, which no longer exist, that I measure, but something in my memory which remains fixed there.
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Summary: In measuring the syllables of a verse, Augustine measures not the sounds, which are gone, but something fixed in memory.
- The line is the first verse of Ambrose's hymn Deus creator omnium (compare Conf. 9.32); it is kept in Latin because its meter is the point.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR: j for i): prjma → prima.
Extrabiblical texts: Ambrose of Milan, Ambrose, Hymn. (Ambrose of Milan, Ambrose, Hymns; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Conf. 11.35 (CSEL 33:305–306; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-confessions/11-12/#p-11-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from Knöll's Latin text (CSEL 33, 1896); compared afterwards with the NPNF¹ 1 translation (Pilkington, 1886).