Against the Nations 6.13–7.4
Latin text: CSEL 4 (Latin text: A. Reifferscheid (CSEL 4, 1875), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 6 (1886).
Chapter 6
6.13CSEL 4:224–225
sed quid ego dis datas falces et fuscinas rideo, quid cornua, malleos et galeros, cum simulacra quaedam sciam certorum ferre hominum formas et infamium liniamenta meretricum? quis est enim qui ignoret Athenienses illos Hermas Alcibiadii ad corporis similitudinem fabricatos? quis Praxitelen nescit, Posidippi si relegat *, ad formam Cratinae meretricis, quam infelix perdite diligebat, os Veneris Cnidiae † sollertiarum coegisse certamine? sed sola est haec Venus, cui de scorti uultu translaticium decus auctum est? Phryna illa Thespiaca, sicut illi referunt qui negotia Thespiaca scriptitarunt, cum in cacumine ipso esset pulcritudinis, uenustatis et floris, exemplarium fuisse perhibetur cunctarum quae in opinione sunt Venerum siue per urbes Graias siue iste quo fluxit amor talium cupiditasque signorum. itaque artifices omnes ipsis isdem qui temporibus extiterunt quibusque primas dabat exprimendarum similitudinum ueritas omni cura studioque certabant filum capitis prostituti Cythereia in simulacra traducere, ardebant artificum † scita alterque alterum uincere contentiosa aemulatione quaerebant, non Venus ut augustior fieret sed ut Phryna pro Venere staret. atque ita perducta est res eo ut pro diis immortalibus sacra meretricibus fierent et infelix religio signorum fabricationibus falleretur. inter significes ille memoratus Phidias et primus, cum Olympii formam Iouis molimine operis extulisset inmensi, super dei digito PANTARCES inscripsit PULCHER — nomen autem fuerat amati ab se pueri atque obscena cupiditate dilecti — neque ullo metu est aut religione commotus deum nomine prostibuli nuncupare, quinimmo exoleto Iouis numen simulacrumque sacrare. usque adeo ludus est et puerilis adfectio sigillaria ista formare, adorare pro dis ea, sanctitatibus accumulare diuinis, cum ipsos uideamus artifices in effingendis his ludere et libidinum propriarum monumenta sancire. quid est enim, si quaeras, cur Phidias ludere ac lasciuire dubitaret, cum ante paululum temporis Iouem ipsum quem fecerat sciret aurum fuisse, lapides atque ossa informia disparata confusa seque horum omnium congregatorem atque uinctorem, habitus eis, per se datos membrorum similitudine fabricata et, quod inter omnia primum est, sui esse beneficium muneris, quod natus [per se] * esset atque in rebus adoraretur humanis?
But why do I laugh at the sickles and tridents given to the gods, why at horns, hammers, and caps, when I know that some images bear the forms of certain men and the features of infamous harlots? For who does not know that those Athenian Hermae were made in the likeness of the body of Alcibiades? Who does not know, if he rereads Posidippus ..., that Praxiteles ... forced the face of the Cnidian Venus into the shape of the harlot Cratina, whom he loved desperately, poor man? But is this the only Venus to whose face borrowed beauty was added from a prostitute's face? That Phryne of Thespiae, as those who wrote of Thespian affairs report, when she was at the very height of beauty, charm, and bloom, is said to have been the model for all the Venuses that are in repute, whether throughout the Greek cities or wherever the love and desire of such statues has spread. So all the artists who lived at the same time, and to whom truth in expressing likenesses gave first place, strove with all care and zeal to carry over the outline of a prostitute's head into images of Cythera's goddess; the ... of artists burned, and each sought to surpass the other in contentious rivalry, not that Venus might become more august, but that Phryne might stand in place of Venus. And so the matter was brought to this, that sacred rites were performed to harlots instead of immortal gods, and unhappy religion was deceived by the making of statues. Among the sculptors, that famous and first Phidias, when he had raised the form of Olympian Jupiter by the labor of an immense work, inscribed on the god's finger 'Pantarces is handsome' (now this was the name of a boy he loved and cherished with obscene desire), and he was not moved by any fear or religious scruple to call the god by the name of a prostitute, indeed to consecrate the divinity and image of Jupiter to a catamite. So much is it a game and a childish passion to form these figurines, to adore them as gods, to heap divine sanctities on them, when we see the artists themselves playing in making them and consecrating memorials of their own lusts. For why, if you ask, should Phidias hesitate to play and be wanton, when he knew that a little while before the Jupiter he had made had been gold, stones, and shapeless bones, separate and mixed up; that he himself was the one who gathered and bound all these, who gave them forms made in the likeness of limbs; and, what is first of all, that it was the kindness of his own gift that the god was born and adored among human affairs?
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Statues of gods were modeled on real people, even prostitutes and a sculptor's boy-lover, which shows the images are human products.
- The same anecdotes appear in Clement of Alexandria (Protr. 4.47, 53). 'Pantarces kalos' ('Pantarces is handsome') was inscribed on Phidias's Zeus at Olympia (Pausanias 5.11.3). Several places are corrupt or defective; the edition deletes 'per se' near the end and marks a gap. 'si quaefas' in the digital text is corrected to 'si quaeras'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): si quaefas → si quaeras.
Extrabiblical texts: Clement of Alexandria, Protr. 4.47 (Exhortation to the Greeks; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.13 (CSEL 4:224–225; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
6.14CSEL 4:225–226
libet in hoc loco, tamquam si omnes adsint terrarum ex orbe nationes, unam facere contionem atque in aures haec omnium communiter audienda depromere. quidnam est istud, homines, quod ipsi uos ultro in tam promptis ac perspicuis rebus uoluntaria fallitis et circumscribitis caecitate? discutite aliquando caliginem regressique ad lumen mentis intuemini propius et uidete istud quod agitur quale sit, si modo retinetis ius uestrum atque in finibus uobis datae rationis consiliique uersamini. simulacra ista quae uos terrent quaeque templis in omnibus prostrati atque humiles adoratis ossa lapides aera sunt, argentum aurum testa, lignum sumptum ex arbore aut commixtum glutinum gypso, ex ornatibus fortasse meretriciis aut ex muliebri mundo, camelinis ex ossibus aut ex Indici animalis dente, ex caccabulis, ollulis, ex candelabris et lucernis aut ex aliis obscenioribus uasculis congesta, conflata in has species ducta sunt atque in formas quas cernitis exierunt, fornacibus incocta figulinis, ex incudibus et malleis nata, grosis rasa, discobinata de limis, serris furfuraculis asciis secta dolata effossa, terebrarum excauata uertigine, runcinarum leuigata de planis. ita iste non error est, non ut proprie dicatur amentia, deum credere quem tute ipse formaris, subplicare tremibundum fabricatae abs te rei, et cum scias et certus sis tui esse operis et digitorum partum, pronum in faciem mere, opem rogare suppliciter aduersisque in rebus atque in temporibus asperis propitii numinis fauore succurrere?
I would like at this point, as if all the nations of the world were present, to make a single assembly and set these things before the ears of all to be heard in common. What is this, men, that you yourselves willingly deceive and ensnare yourselves by voluntary blindness in matters so obvious and clear? Shake off the mist at last, and, returning to the light of the mind, look more closely and see what sort of thing this is that is done, if only you keep your right and remain within the bounds of the reason and counsel given you. These images which frighten you, and which you adore lying prostrate and humble in all the temples, are bones, stones, bronze, silver, gold, earthenware, wood taken from a tree or glue mixed with gypsum, perhaps put together from harlots' ornaments or women's toilet articles, from camels' bones or the tooth of the Indian animal, from little cooking pots and jars, from lampstands and lamps or from other more obscene little vessels; melted, drawn into these shapes, and come out in the forms you see; baked in potters' furnaces, born from anvils and hammers, scraped with ... , filed down, cut, hewn, and dug out with saws, augers, and adzes, hollowed by the turning of drills, smoothed by the planes of routers. Is it not an error, not to say properly madness, to believe a god to be what you yourself have formed, to pray trembling to a thing made by you, and, when you know and are sure that it is your own work and the offspring of your fingers, to fall prone on your face, to ask help suppliantly, and to have it come to your aid in adversity and hard times by the favor of a gracious deity?
Isa 44:9–20 (echo, low confidence) · Ps 115:4–8 (113:12-Ps LXX) (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: Idols are made from base materials by human craftsmen, so it is madness to worship them as gods.
- The ridicule of idols made by human hands recalls Isa 44:9–20 and Ps 115:4–8. 'The Indian animal' is the elephant (ivory). Some tool names are rare; the English is approximate. The digital text has 'P' for a question mark, 'ant' for 'aut' twice, and a stray backslash; these are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text; question mark misread as a letter in the digital text; stray mark in the digital text): caecitate P discutite → caecitate? discutite; meretriciis ant ex → meretriciis aut ex; lucernis ant ex → lucernis aut ex; error est\\ non → error est, non.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.14 (CSEL 4:225–226; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
6.15CSEL 4:226–227
ecce si aliquis ponat in medio aes rude atque in opera nulla confectum, argenti massas indomiti infectumque aurum, lignum, lapides atque ossa resque alias ceteras quibus signa consueta sunt et numinum simulacra constare, immo si aliquis ponat in medio conlisos deorum uultus, confracta atque inminuta simulacra iubeatque uos idem frustis hostias et fragminibus caedere, informibus massis sacra et munia inpertire diuina: audire a uobis exposcimus, facturine istud sitis an contra quam imperabitur recusaturi? fortasse dicetis: qua causa? quia nemo est in rebus humanis tam stolide caecus, qui argentum aes aurum gypsum ebur argillam deorum in numerum referat ipsaque per se dicat uim habere atque optinere diuinam. quaenam est ergo ratio, ut si omnia haec corpora intacta atque infecta permanserint, careant ui numinis atque auctoritate caelesti: ea formas si accipiant hominum, si auriculas nasos buccas labra oculos cilia, continuo dii fiant et in ordinem caelitum referantur et censum? nouitatis aliquid fictio corporibus his addit, ut adiectione ipsa cogamini aliquid eis credere diuinitatis maiestatisque conlatum? in aurum aes mutat aut testulae uilitatem in argenteam cogit degenerare materiam? quae insensilia fuerunt paulo ante, facit ut sint uiua et spiritali agitatione moueantur? si quas foris habuere naturas eas omnes retinent simulacrorum in corporibus constituta, stupiditas quae tanta est — detrecto enim dicere caecitatem - rerum existimare naturas formarum qualitate mutari et accipere numen ex habitu quod in primigenio corpore iners fuerit et brutum et sensus mobilitate priuatum.
Suppose someone sets before you rough bronze not worked into any object, masses of untamed silver and unworked gold, wood, stones, and bones, and all the other things of which statues and images of the deities are usually made; indeed, suppose someone sets before you the smashed faces of gods and broken and damaged images, and bids you slaughter victims to the pieces and fragments and give sacred rites and divine services to the shapeless masses: we ask to hear from you whether you will do it or refuse, contrary to what is ordered. Perhaps you will say: 'For what reason?' Because there is no one in human affairs so stupidly blind as to count silver, bronze, gold, gypsum, ivory, and clay among the gods and say that they have and hold divine power by themselves. What reason is there, then, that if all these bodies remain untouched and unworked they lack the power of deity and heavenly authority, but if they receive human forms, ears, noses, cheeks, lips, eyes, and eyebrows, they at once become gods and are brought into the order and roll of heavenly beings? Does the fashioning add something new to these bodies, so that by this very addition you are compelled to believe that something of divinity and majesty has been conferred on them? Does it change bronze into gold, or force the cheapness of a potsherd to degenerate into the material of silver? Does it make things which were senseless a little before become alive and moved by the motion of breath? If they keep, placed in the bodies of images, all the natures they had outside, what great stupidity is it (for I shrink from saying blindness) to think that the natures of things are changed by the quality of forms, and that what was inert, brutish, and deprived of the movement of sense in its original body receives divinity from a shape?
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Summary: Raw materials are not worshiped, and shaping them into human forms adds no divinity to them.
- The digital text has 'mnnia' for 'munia', 'P' for a question mark, a stray period, and 'caec;tatem'; these are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text; question mark misread as a letter in the digital text; stray period in the digital text; stray punctuation inside a word in the digital text): mnnia → munia; recusaturi P fortasse → recusaturi? fortasse; infecta. permanserint → infecta permanserint; caec;tatem → caecitatem.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.15 (CSEL 4:226–227; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.16CSEL 4:227–229
itaque immemores et obliti, simulacrorum substantiae atque origines quae sint, rationale homines animal et sapientiae munere consiliique donatum coctilibus testis succumbitis, aeris lamminas adoratis, elephantorum ab dentibus secundas poscitis ualetudines, magistratus imperia potestates uictorias adquisitiones lucra, messes optimas feracissimasque uindemias, et cum pateat, luceat, rebus fieri uerba cum brutis, exaudiri uos remini ipsique uos ultro credulitatis uacuae circumscriptione traducitis? o utinam liceret in simulacri alicuius medias introire pendigines, immo utinam liceret Olympiacos illos et Capitolinos Ioues diducere in membra resolutos omnesque illas partes quibus summa concluditur corporum discretas ac singulas contueri: iamdudum istos uideretis deos, quos exterior leuitas lenocinio fulgoris augustat, lamminarum flatilium esse crates, particularum coagmenta deformium, ab ruinarum casibus et dissolutionis metu subscudibus et catenis, uncis atque ansulis retentari interque omnes sinus commissurarumque iuncturas plumbum ire suffusum et salutares moras signorum diuturnitatibus commodare. uideretis, inquam, iamdudum solas sine occipitiis facies, manus sine bracchiis, semiplenas, uentres cum lateribus dimidiatos, plantarum inperfecta uestigia, et quod maxime risum ferat, parte ligneos deos ex una, at ex altera saxeos, inaequabili corporum constructione contractos. quae si utique perspici obscurata arte non quirent, uel ipsa uos saltem quae in medio sita sunt docere atque monere debuerunt, agere uos nihil et circa res cassas officiorum impendere uanitates. ita enim non uidetis spirantia haec signa, quorum plantas et genua contingitis et contrectatis orantes, modo casibus stillicidiorum labi, putredinis modo carie relaxari, ut nidoribus atque fumo suffita ac decolorata nigrescant, quemadmodum saecli longioris incuria perdant situ species et robigine conuulnerentur exesa? ita, inquam, non uidetis sub istorum simulacrorum canis steliones sorices mures blattasque lucifugas nidamenta ponere atque habitare, spurcitias huc omnes atque alia usibus accommodata conducere, semirosi duritias panis [pannis], ossa † in spem tracta, pannos lanuginem chartulas nidulorum in mollitiem sollicite, miserorum fomenta pullorum? non in ore aliquando simulacri ab araneis ordiri retia atque insidiosos casses, quibus uolatus innectere stridularum possint inpudentiumque muscarum? non hirundines denique intra ipsos aedium circumuolantes tholos iacularier stercoris † plenas et modo ipsos uultus, modo numinum ora depingere, barbam oculos nasos aliasque omnis partes, in quascumque se detulerit deonerati proluuies podicis? erubescite ergo uel sero atque ab animantibus mutis uias, rationes accipite doceantque uos eadem nihil numinis inesse simulacris, in quae obscena deicere neque metuunt neque uitant leges suas sequentia et instincta ueritate naturae.
And so, unmindful and forgetful of what the substance and origins of images are, you human beings, a rational creature endowed with the gift of wisdom and counsel, bow down before baked potsherds, adore plates of bronze, ask good health from elephants' teeth, magistracies, commands, powers, victories, acquisitions, profits, the best harvests and most fruitful vintages; and though it is plain and clear that you are speaking to brute things, you think you are heard, and of your own accord lead yourselves astray by the deception of empty credulity. O would that it were possible to enter the inner hollows of some image; indeed, would that it were possible to take apart those Olympian and Capitoline Jupiters, loosened into their members, and see separate and individual all those parts by which the sum of their bodies is enclosed! You would long ago see that these gods, whom an outer smoothness makes august by the allure of brilliance, are frameworks of hammered plates, joinings of shapeless little parts, held together against the fall of ruins and the fear of dissolution by dovetails and clamps, hooks and little handles, and that lead is poured into all the hollows and joints of the seams, lending saving delays to the durability of the statues. You would see, I say, faces alone without backs of the head, hands without arms, half-filled, bellies with half sides, unfinished traces of feet, and, what would bring the most laughter, gods of wood on one side and stone on the other, drawn together in an unequal construction of bodies. But if these things could not be seen because the art hides them, at least the things placed in plain view ought to have taught and warned you that you are doing nothing and spending the vanities of your services on empty things. For do you not see that these breathing statues, whose feet and knees you touch and handle as you pray, now slip down from the falling of drips, now are loosened by the rot of decay; how, fumigated with the fumes and smoke of sacrifices, they grow black and discolored; how through the neglect of a longer age they lose their appearance by mold and are wounded and eaten by rust? Do you not see, I say, that under the hollows of these images newts, shrews, mice, and light-shunning cockroaches make their nests and dwell, bring all sorts of filth there and other things suited to their uses, hard crusts of half-gnawed bread, bones dragged in ..., rags, down, and scraps of paper, carefully for the softness of their nests, as comforts for their wretched young? That spiders sometimes weave nets and treacherous snares in the image's mouth, with which to entangle the flights of buzzing and shameless flies? Finally, that swallows, flying about within the very domes of the temples, shoot out their droppings ... and bespatter now the faces themselves, now the mouths of the deities, beard, eyes, noses, and all other parts on which the outflow of their unburdened hindquarters falls? Blush, then, even late, and take ways and reasons from dumb animals, and let them teach you that there is no divinity in images, on which they neither fear nor avoid dropping filth, following their own laws and prompted by the truth of nature.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Statues are hollow assemblies of metal and wood, decaying and fouled by vermin and birds, which shows they contain no divinity.
- The edition deletes 'pannis'. Several places are corrupt ('†'). The digital text has a stray period and 'P' for a question mark; these are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (question mark misread as a letter in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): summa. concluditur → summa concluditur; pullorum P non → pullorum? non.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.16 (CSEL 4:227–229; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.17CSEL 4:229–230
sed erras, inquit, et laberis: nam neque nos aera neque auri argentique materias neque alias quibus signa confiunt eas esse per se deos et religiosa decernimus numina, sed eos in his colimus eosque ueneramur quos dedicatio infert sacra et fabrilibus efficit inhabitare simulacris. non improba neque aspernabilis ratio, qua possit quiuis tardus nec non et prudentissimus credere, deos relictis sedibus propriis id est caelo non recusare nec fugere habitacula inire terrena, quinimmo iure dedicationis inpulsos simulacrorum coalescere uinctioni. in gypso ergo mansitant atque in testulis dii uestri, quinimmo testularum et gypsi mentes, spiritus atque animae dii sunt? atque ut fieri augustiores uilissimae res possint, concludi se patiuntur et in sedis obscurae coercitione latitare? ergo illud a uobis parte in hac primum desideramus et postulamus audire: inuitine hoc faciunt, id est iure dedicationis adtracti simulacrorum ineunt mansiones an proni et faciles neque ullis necessitatibus inrogatis? inuiti hoc faciunt? et qui fieri potis est, ut in aliquam necessitatem inminuta maiestate cogantur? uoluntariae obsecutionis adsensu? et quid in testulis dii petunt, ut eas sedibus sidereis anteponant [uinctione si propemodum colligati immobilitatis testulas et I cetera quibus signa confiunt] quid ergo?
'But you are wrong,' he says, 'and you slip: for we do not judge that bronze or the materials of gold and silver, or the others of which statues are made, are gods in themselves and religious deities; but in them we worship and revere those whom sacred dedication brings in and causes to dwell in the craftsmen's images.' Not a wicked or contemptible reasoning, by which any dull person, and also the most prudent, might believe that the gods, leaving their own seats, that is, heaven, do not refuse or flee to enter earthly dwellings, but, driven by the right of dedication, grow into union with the images! So your gods stay in gypsum and potsherds; indeed, are the gods the minds, breath, and souls of potsherds and gypsum? And so that the vilest things may become more august, do they allow themselves to be shut in and to hide in the confinement of a dark seat? So first we want and ask to hear from you on this point: do they do this unwillingly, that is, do they enter the dwellings of images drawn by the right of dedication, or readily and willingly, with no necessities imposed? Do they do it unwillingly? And how can it be that they are forced into any necessity, with their majesty diminished? With the assent of voluntary compliance? And what do the gods seek in potsherds, that they prefer them to their starry seats? What then?
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Summary: Arnobius asks whether the gods, supposed to dwell in statues by dedication, enter them willingly or by compulsion, and why they would prefer clay to heaven.
- The edition deletes a gloss in square brackets near the end. The digital text has a stray period and 'ad sensu P' for 'adsensu?'; these are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text; word split and question mark misread in the digital text): inuiti hoc faciunt?. et → inuiti hoc faciunt? et; ad sensu P et → adsensu? et.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.17 (CSEL 4:229–230; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-17). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.18CSEL 4:230
in materiis talibus semperne dii mansitant neque abeunt uspiam, etiam si res postulauerit maxima, an habent itus liberos, cum libuerit abire quocumque et ab suis sedibus simulacrisque discedere? si permanendi necessitatem patiuntur, quid miserius his esse aut quid infelicius poterit, [quam] si eos in basibus ita unci retinent et plumbeae uinctiones? sed concedamus, ut, *** caelo et sidereis sedibus anteponant, diuinitatis suae perdiderint potestatem: sin autem cum uoluerint euolant et absolutum ius habent inania relinquere simulacra, ergo aliquo tempore desinent esse dii signa et in dubio stabit, quando sacra debeant reddi, quando his conueniat atque oporteat abstinere. saepenumero uidemus ab artificibus haec signa modo paruula fieri et palmarem in minutiem contrahi, modo in immensum tolli et admirabilem in amplitudinem subleuari. ratione hac ergo sequitur ut intellegere debeamus in sigilliolis paruulis contrahere se deos et alieni ad corporis similitudinem coartari, at uero in uastis porrigere se longius atque in maximitatem producere. ergo si hoc ita est, et in sedentibus signis deum sedere dicendum est et in stantibus stare, in procurrentibus currere, iacularier in iacientibus tela, ad illorum formare atque aptare se uultus et ad reliquos habitus figurati corporis sui similitudinem commodare.
Do the gods always stay in such materials and never go anywhere, even if the greatest matter demands it, or do they have free goings, to go wherever they please and depart from their seats and images? If they suffer the necessity of remaining, what could be more wretched or unhappy than they, if hooks and lead fastenings hold them thus on their bases? But let us grant ... that they prefer them to heaven and the starry seats, and have lost the power of their divinity; but if they fly away when they wish and have the absolute right to leave the images empty, then at some time the statues will cease to be gods, and it will be doubtful when sacred rites ought to be paid and when it is fitting and proper to abstain from them. We often see these statues made by artists now tiny and contracted to the smallness of a palm, now raised to immense size and lifted to a wonderful greatness. By this reasoning, then, it follows that we must understand that in little figurines the gods contract themselves and are compressed into the likeness of another's body, but in vast ones they stretch themselves further and extend to hugeness. If this is so, it must be said that in seated statues the god sits, in standing ones stands, in running ones runs, in those throwing weapons throws, and that he shapes and fits himself to their faces and adapts himself to the likeness of the other features of the fashioned body.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: If gods dwell in statues, they are either imprisoned in them or come and go, and they must shrink, stretch, sit, or run to fit each statue.
- The edition deletes 'quam' and marks a gap. 'talibos' and 'ant' in the digital text are corrected.
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- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): talibos → talibus; his esse ant quid → his esse aut quid.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.18 (CSEL 4:230; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-18). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
6.19CSEL 4:230–231
in simulacris dii habitant. singuline in singulis toti an partiliter atque in membra diuisi? iam neque unus deus in conpluribus potis est uno tempore inesse simulacris neque rursus in partes sectione interueniente diuisus. constituamus enim decem milia simulacrorum toto esse in orbe Vulcani: numquid esse ut dixi decem omnibus in millibus potis est unus uno in tempore? non opinor. qua causa? quia quae sunt priua singulariaque natura multa fieri nequeunt simplicitatis suae integritate seruata, et hoc amplius nequeunt, si hominum formas dii habent, opinatio ut uestra declarat. neque enim manus a capite separata aut pes diuisus a corpore summam possunt praestare totius, aut dicendum est portiones idem posse quod totum, cum totum consistere nequeat, nisi fuerit partium congregatione conflatum. si autem in cunctis idem esse dicetur, perit omnis ratio atque integritas ueritatis, si hoc fuerit sumptum, posse unum in omnibus uno tempore permanere: aut deorum est unusquisque dicendus ita ipsum semet ab ipso sese diuidere, ut et ipse sit et alter, non aliquo discrimine separatus sed ipse idem et alius. quod quoniam recusat et respuit aspernaturque natura, aut innumeros dicendum est confitendumque esse Vulcanos, si in cunctis nolumus eum, degere atque inesse simulacris, aut erit in nullo, quia esse diuisus natura prohibetur in plurimis.
The gods dwell in images. Is each one whole in each, or partly and divided into members? For neither can one god be in several images at one time, nor again be divided into parts by cutting. For let us suppose that there are ten thousand images of Vulcan in the whole world: can one be, as I said, in all ten thousand at one time? I do not think so. For what reason? Because things that are single and individual by nature cannot become many while keeping the integrity of their simplicity; and still more they cannot if the gods have human forms, as your opinion declares. For neither a hand separated from the head nor a foot divided from the body can present the sum of the whole; or it must be said that portions can do what the whole can, though the whole cannot exist unless it is formed by the gathering of parts. But if the same god is said to be in all, the whole reason and integrity of truth perishes, if it is assumed that one can remain in all at one time; or it must be said that each of the gods divides himself from himself so that he is both himself and another, not separated by any difference but the same himself and another. Since nature refuses, rejects, and spurns this, either it must be said and confessed that there are countless Vulcans, if we do not want him to live and be present in all the images, or he will be in none, since nature forbids him to be divided among many.
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Summary: One god cannot be present whole in thousands of statues at once, nor divided among them.
- The digital text has 'singuIis' and 'conplnribus'; these are corrected.
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- Digital text corrected (capital I for l in the digital text; misread letter in the digital text): singuIis → singulis; conplnribus → conpluribus.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.19 (CSEL 4:230–231; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-19). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.20CSEL 4:231–232
et tamen, o isti, si apertum uobis et liquidum est, in signorum uisceribus deos uiuere atque habitare caelites, cur eos sub ualidissimis clauibus ingentibusque sub claustris, sub repagulis, pessulis aliisque huiusmodi rebus custoditis, conseruatis atque habetis inclusos, ac ne forte fur aliquis aut nocturnus inrepat latro, aedituis mille protegitis atque excubitoribus mille? cur canes in Capitoliis pascitis? cur anseribus uictum alimoniamque praebetis? quinimmo si fiditis deos istic esse nec ab signis uspiam simulacrisque discedere, permittite illis curam sui, reserata sint semper atque aperta delubra, ac si quid a quopiam temeraria fuerit fraude subreptum, uim numinis monstrent et sub ipso furti atque operis nomine sacrilegos poenis conuenientibus figant. indigna enim res est et potentiam destruens auctoritatemque, summorum custodiam numinum canum sollicitudinibus credere, et cum aliquam quaeras prohibendis formidinem furibus, non ab ipsis petere sed in anserum ponere et collocare gingritibus.
And yet, if it is plain and clear to you that the gods live in the inward parts of statues and the heavenly ones dwell there, why do you guard, keep, and hold them shut in under the strongest keys and huge bars, bolts, latches, and other things of this kind, and protect them with a thousand temple-keepers and a thousand watchmen, lest perhaps some thief or nighttime robber creep in? Why do you feed dogs on the Capitol? Why do you provide geese with food and nourishment? Rather, if you trust that the gods are there and never depart from the statues and images, leave them the care of themselves: let the shrines always be unlocked and open, and if anything is stolen by anyone with reckless fraud, let them show the power of their divinity and transfix the sacrilegious with fitting punishments in the very act of theft. For it is an unworthy thing, destroying their power and authority, to entrust the guarding of the highest deities to the vigilance of dogs, and, when you seek some means of fear to keep thieves away, not to ask it of them but to place and put it in the cackling of geese.
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Summary: If gods lived in their statues, they would not need locks, guards, dogs, and geese to protect them from thieves.
- The Capitoline geese were kept in memory of those that saved the Capitol from the Gauls. Two stray marks in the digital text are removed.
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- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text; stray punctuation in the digital text): si apertum: uobis → si apertum uobis; operis. nomine → operis nomine.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.20 (CSEL 4:231–232; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-20). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.21CSEL 4:232–233
Antiochum Cyzicenum ferunt decem cubitorum Iouem ex delubro aureum sustulisse et ex aere bratteolis substituisse fucatum. si in simulacris praesto sunt atque habitant dii suis, quibus negotiis Iuppiter, quibus curis fuerat inligatus, quominus priuatas persequeretur iniurias et subpositum se sibi uiliore in materia uindicaret? Dionysius ille sed iunior, cum uelamine aureo spoliaret Iouem et pro illo laneum subderet, iocularibus etiam facetiis ludens, cum esse illud in rigoribus algidum, hoc uaporum, onerosum illud in aestatibus diceret, hoc rursus sub ardoribus flabile: ubinam fuerat rex poli, ut praesentem se esse formidine aliqua conprobaret et urbanum scurrulam cruciatibus reuocaret ad seria? nam quid Aesculapii grauitatem ab eo esse commemorem risam? quem cum barba spoliaret amplissima boni ponderis et philosophae densitatis, facinus esse dicebat indignum, ex Apolline procreatum patre leui et glabro simillimoque inpuberi ita barbatum filium fingi, ut in ancipiti relinquatur, uter eorum pater sit, uter filius, immo an sint generis et cognationis unius? quae cum omnia fierent et cum sacrilegis praedo inrisionibus iocaretur, si suberat numen in statua nomini eius maiestatique sacrata, cur oris contumeliam leuigati et dehonestati uultus non iusta et merita persecutus est ultione demonstrauitque hoc facto, et se esse praesentem et custodia pertinaci suas aedes simulacraque tutari?
They say that Antiochus of Cyzicus took a golden Jupiter ten cubits high from a shrine and substituted one of bronze gilded with thin leaves. If the gods are present and dwell in their images, with what business, what cares was Jupiter bound, that he did not pursue his private wrongs and avenge himself on being replaced by himself in a baser material? When the younger Dionysius stripped Jupiter of his golden mantle and put a woolen one in its place, even playing with jesting witticisms, saying that the one was cold in frosts and the other warm, the one heavy in summer and the other airy in the heat: where was the king of heaven, that he did not prove his presence by some terror and call the witty jester back to seriousness by torments? For why should I mention that he mocked the gravity of Aesculapius? When he stripped him of his very full beard, of good weight and philosophic thickness, he said it was an unworthy thing that a son born of Apollo, a smooth and beardless father most like a boy, should be fashioned so bearded that it was left doubtful which of them was the father and which the son, indeed whether they were of one race and kinship. When all this was done and the plunderer joked with sacrilegious mockery, if a divinity was present in the statue consecrated to his name and majesty, why did he not pursue with just and deserved vengeance the insult of his mouth being shaved and his face dishonored, and show by this deed both that he was present and that he protected his temples and images with unremitting guard?
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Summary: Temple robbers like Antiochus of Cyzicus and Dionysius of Syracuse stripped statues of Jupiter and Aesculapius unpunished, showing that no gods dwelt in them.
- The anecdotes of Dionysius are also told by Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods 3.83–84, and by Clement of Alexandria (Protr. 4.52). 'cam' and a stray period in the digital text are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): quae cam omnia → quae cum omnia; iocaretur,. si → iocaretur, si.
Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Nat. d. 3.83–84 (Cicero; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.21 (CSEL 4:232–233; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-21). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
6.22CSEL 4:233–234
nisi forte neclegere deos dicetis haec damna nec putare esse idoneam causam, propter quam se egerant et nocentibus poenam uiolatae religionis infligant. ergo si haec ita sunt, nec simulacra ipsi habere desiderant, quae conuelli et diripi perpetiuntur inpune, immo e contrario perdocent aspernari se illa, in quibus spretos se ultione in aliqua significare non curant. Philostephanus in Cypriacis auctor est, Pygmalionem regem Cypri simulacrum Veneris, quod sanctitatis apud Cyprios et religionis habebatur antiquae, adamasse ut feminam mente anima lumine rationis iudicioque caecatis solitumque dementem, tamquam si uxoria res esset, subleuato in lectulum numine copularier amplexibus atque ore resque alias agere libidinis uacuae imaginatione frustrabiles. consimili ratione Posidippus in eo libro, quem scriptum super Gnido indicat superque rebus eius, adulescentem haud ignobilem memorat — sed uocabulum eius obscurat — correptum amoribus Veneris, propter quam Gnidus in nomine est, amatorias et ipsum miscuisse lasciuias cum eiusdem numinis signo genialibus usum toris et uoluptatum consequentium finibus. ut similiter rursum interrogem, si in aere atque in materiis ceteris quibus signa formata sunt superorum potentiae delitiscunt: ubinam gentium fuerant una atque altera Veneres, ut inpudicam petulantiam iuuenum propulsarent ab se longe et contactus impios cruciabili coercitione punirent? aut quoniam mites et ingeniis tranquillioribus deae sunt, quantum fuerat, miseris furialia ut restinguerent gaudia mentemque in sanam recreatis reducerent sensibus?
Unless perhaps you will say that the gods neglect these losses and do not think it a sufficient cause for bestirring themselves and inflicting punishment on the guilty for violated religion. If this is so, then they do not even want to have images, which they allow to be torn down and plundered with impunity; on the contrary, they teach that they despise those images in which they do not care to show by any vengeance that they have been scorned. Philostephanus, in his Cypriaca, is the authority that Pygmalion, king of Cyprus, fell in love with an image of Venus, which was held among the Cyprians in ancient holiness and reverence, as though with a woman, his mind, soul, light of reason, and judgment blinded; and that, mad, as though it were a wifely matter, he used to lift the deity onto his bed, join with it in embraces and kisses, and do other things frustrated by the imagination of empty lust. In a similar way Posidippus, in the book he declares he wrote about Cnidus and its affairs, records that a young man not of low birth (but he conceals his name), seized with love for the Venus for whom Cnidus is famous, himself mingled amorous wantonness with the statue of the same deity, enjoying the marriage bed and the consequences of pleasure. So that I may ask again in like manner: if the powers of the gods above hide in bronze and the other materials of which statues are formed, where in the world were one Venus and the other, to drive the young men's shameless wantonness far away from themselves and punish the impious contacts with torturing restraint? Or, since the goddesses are gentle and of more tranquil disposition, how much would it have taken to extinguish the frenzied joys of the wretches and restore their minds to sanity with their senses renewed?
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Summary: Even when statues of Venus were violated by lovers, the goddess did nothing, which shows she was not present in them.
- Philostephanus and Posidippus were Hellenistic writers; the same stories are told by Clement of Alexandria (Protr. 4.57). The Cnidian Venus is Praxiteles' statue.
Extrabiblical texts: Clement of Alexandria, Protr. 4.57 (Exhortation to the Greeks; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.22 (CSEL 4:233–234; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-22). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.23CSEL 4:234–235
nisi forte, ut uos fertis, libidinis et uoluptatum deae contumelias istas habuere gratissimas nec ultione facinus existimauere condignum quod suas quoque mulceret mentes et quod ab se subdi humanis cupiditatibus scirent. sed si deae Veneres ingeniis placidioribus praeditae gerendum esse morem infortuniis iudicauere caecorum, cum Capitolium totiens edax ignis absumeret Iouemque ipsum Capitolinum cum uxore corripuisset ac filia, ubinam fulminator tempore illo fuit, ut sceleratum illud arceret incendium et a pestifero casu res suas ac semet et cunctam familiam uindicaret? ubi Iuno regina, cum inclitum eius fanum sacerdotemque Chrysidem eadem uis flammae Argiua in ciuitate deleret? ubi Serapis Aegyptius, cum consimili casu iacuit solutus in cinerem cum mysteriis omnibus atque Iside? ubi Liber Eleutherius, cum Athenis? ubi Diana, cum Ephesi? ubi Dodonaeus Iuppiter, cum Dodonae? ubi denique Apollo diuinus, cum a piratis maritimisque praedonibus et spoliatus ita est et incensus, ut ex tot auri ponderibus quae infinita congesserant saecula ne unum quidem habuerit scripulum quo hirundinibus hospitium, Varro ut dicit set Menippeus, ostenderet? infiniti operis res est toto in orbe describere quae sint fana conuulsa terrae motibus et tempestatibus, quae incensa ab hostibus, quae ab regibus et tyrannis, quae antistites et sacerdotes et ipsi suspicione auersa nudauerint, quae ad ultimum fures et obserata pandentes † remedorum obscuritate † canacheni: quae tuta utique permanerent et nullis obnoxia fortuitis, si adessent dii praesides aut haberent aliquas templorum quemadmodum dicitur curas. nunc uero quia cassa sunt et nullis habitatoribus tecta, habet in illis fortuna ius suum, et perinde cunctis obiecta sunt casibus quam sunt omnia cetera motu interiore priuata.
Unless perhaps, as you say, the goddesses of lust and pleasures found these insults most pleasing and did not think worthy of vengeance a deed which soothed their own minds too, and which they knew was subject to human desires because of them. But if the goddesses Venus, endowed with gentler dispositions, judged that they should indulge the misfortunes of the blind, when devouring fire so often consumed the Capitol and seized Capitoline Jupiter himself with his wife and daughter, where was the Thunderer at that time, to ward off that wicked fire and rescue his possessions, himself, and his whole family from the deadly disaster? Where was Queen Juno, when the same force of flame destroyed her famous shrine and her priestess Chrysis in the city of Argos? Where was Egyptian Serapis, when by a similar disaster he lay dissolved into ashes with all his mysteries and Isis? Where was Liber Eleutherius, when at Athens? Where was Diana, when at Ephesus? Where was Jupiter of Dodona, when at Dodona? Where finally was the prophet Apollo, when he was so despoiled and burned by pirates and sea-robbers that, of so many weights of gold which infinite ages had heaped up, he did not have even a single scruple to show hospitality to the swallows, as Varro, but the Menippean, says? It is an infinite task to describe in the whole world which shrines were overthrown by earthquakes and storms, which burned by enemies, which by kings and tyrants, which the high priests and priests themselves stripped, with suspicion turned away from them, which finally thieves and those who open what is locked ... : which would surely remain safe and exposed to no accidents, if the guardian gods were present or had any care of their temples, as is said. But now, because they are empty and roofs without inhabitants, fortune has its right in them, and they are exposed to all accidents just as all other things deprived of inner motion.
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Summary: Famous temples burned or were plundered while their gods did nothing, showing that no gods inhabit them.
- The Capitol burned in 83 BC, AD 69, and AD 80; the temple of Hera at Argos in 423 BC; the temple of Artemis at Ephesus in 356 BC; Delphi was plundered by pirates. Varro's Menippean Satires are lost. Two places near the end are corrupt ('†'). 'cantumelias' in the digital text is corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): cantumelias → contumelias.
Extrabiblical texts: Varro, Menippean Satires (Varro; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.23 (CSEL 4:234–235; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-23). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.24CSEL 4:235
in parte hac eadem illud etiam dicere simulacrorum adsertores solent, non ignorasse antiquos nihil habere numinis signa neque ullum omnino inesse his sensum, sed propter indomitum atque inperitum uulgus, quae pars in populis atque in ciuitatibus maxima est, salutariter ea consilioque formasse, ut uelut quadam specie obiecta his numinum abicerent asperitatem metu arbitratique praesentibus sese sub dis agere facta impia deputarent et ad humana officia morum immutatione transirent: nec propter aliam causam uenerabiles formas auro eis argentoque quaesitas, nisi ut adesse uis quaedam ipsis in fulgoribus crederetur, quae non oculorum tantum perstringeret sensum, uerum etiam mentes ipsas augustissimae lucis radiationibus territaret. quod ratione cum aliqua uideretur forsitan dici, si post condita deorum templa atque instituta simulacra nullus esset in mundo malus, nulla omnino nequitia, iustitia pax fides mortalium pectora possideret neque quisquam in terris nocens neque innocens diceretur scelerosa opera nescientibus cunctis. nunc uero cum contra malis omnia plena sint, innocentiae paene interierit nomen, per momenta, per puncta examina maleficiorum noua noxiorum improbitate pariantur, dicere qui conuenit, ad incutiendas formidines uulgo deorum instituta simulacra, cum praeter innumeras criminum et facinorum formas ipsa etiam uideamus templa sacrilegis uiolationibus adpeti ab tyrannis, ab regibus, ab latronibus et nocturnis a furibus ipsosque illos deos quos ad metus faciendos uetus finxit et consecrauit antiquitas uadere in antra praedonum cum ipsis suis aureis metuendisque fulgoribus?
In this same part the defenders of images usually also say that the ancients were not unaware that statues have no divinity and that there is no sense at all in them, but that because of the untamed and ignorant common people, which is the largest part in peoples and cities, they formed them for their good and by design, so that, with a kind of appearance of the deities set before them, they might throw off their roughness through fear, and, thinking they acted under the gods as present, might renounce impious deeds and pass over to human duties by a change of character; and that for no other reason were venerable forms sought for them in gold and silver than that some power might be believed present in the very gleams, which would not only dazzle the sense of the eyes but also terrify the minds themselves with the rays of most august light. This would perhaps seem to be said with some reason, if after the founding of the temples of the gods and the institution of images there were no wicked person in the world, no wickedness at all; if justice, peace, and good faith possessed the hearts of mortals, and no one on earth were called guilty or innocent, all being ignorant of wicked works. But now, since on the contrary everything is full of evils, the name of innocence has almost perished, and new swarms of crimes are born every moment and instant by the wickedness of the guilty, how is it fitting to say that images of the gods were instituted to strike fear into the crowd, when besides countless forms of crimes and misdeeds we see even the temples themselves attacked with sacrilegious violations by tyrants, by kings, by robbers and nighttime thieves, and those very gods, whom old antiquity fashioned and consecrated to cause fear, going into robbers' caves with their golden and fearsome gleams?
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Summary: The claim that images were made to frighten the crowd into virtue is refuted by the continuing prevalence of crime, even against temples themselves.
- A stray hyphen in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray hyphen in the digital text): oculorum - tantum → oculorum tantum.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.24 (CSEL 4:235; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-24). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.25CSEL 4:235–236
quid enim, si uerum et sine ulla gratificatione perspicias, signa ista quae dicunt habent in se magnum, ut merito sperarit atque existimarit antiquitas conspectu illorum posse frangi hominum uitia et maleficia et mores temperari? falx messoria scilicet, quae est attributa Saturno, metum fuerat iniectura mortalibus, uitam uellent ut pacificam degere ac malitiosas abicere uoluntates, fronte Ianus ancipiti aut dentata illa qua insignitus est clauis, riciniatus Iuppiter atque barbatus, dextra fomitem sustinens perdolatum in fulminis morem, Iunonius ille caestus, aut militari sub galea puellula delitiscens, deum Mater cum tympano, cum tibiis et cum psalteriis Musae, Mercurius pinnatus Argiphontes, Aesculapius baculo, Ceres mammis cum grandibus, aut in Liberi dextera pendens potorius cantharus, Mulciber fabrili cum habitu, aut Fortuna cum cornu pomis ficis aut frugibus autumnalibus pleno, semitectis femoribus Diana aut ad libidinem concitans Venus nuda, Anubis canina cum facie aut genitalibus propriis inferior Priapus.
For, if you look at it truly and without any flattery, what great thing do these statues they speak of have in them, that antiquity rightly hoped and thought that by the sight of them the vices and misdeeds of men could be broken and their characters tempered? The reaping sickle, of course, which is assigned to Saturn, was to strike fear into mortals so that they would want to lead a peaceful life and cast away malicious wishes; or Janus with his two-faced brow, or that toothed key with which he is marked; Jupiter in a cloak and bearded, holding in his right hand a stick hewn in the shape of a thunderbolt; that girdle of Juno, or the little girl hiding under a soldier's helmet; the Mother of the Gods with her tambourine; the Muses with flutes and psalteries; winged Mercury, slayer of Argus; Aesculapius with his staff; Ceres with great breasts; or the drinking cup hanging in Liber's right hand; Mulciber in smith's dress; or Fortune with her horn full of apples, figs, or autumn fruits; Diana with thighs half covered, or naked Venus stirring to lust; Anubis with a dog's face, or Priapus, inferior to his own private parts.
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Summary: Arnobius lists the attributes of the statues of the gods, none of which could frighten anyone into virtue.
- A stray period after 'falx' in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): falx. messoria → falx messoria.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.25 (CSEL 4:235–236; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-25). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.
6.26CSEL 4:236–237
o species formidinum dirae metuendique terrores, propter quos genus hominum torpedine in perpetua adfigeretur, nihil moliretur attonitum ab omnique se actu sceleroso flagitiosoque frenaret: falciculae claues caliandria fomites talaria baculi tympaniola tibiae psalteria, mammae promptae atque ingentes, cantharuli forcipes cornuaque pomifera, nuda corpora feminarum et ueretrorum magnitudines publicatae! nonne satius fuerat saltitare, cantare quam sub titulo grauitatis et seueritatis obtentu tam frigida tamque inepta narrare simulacra ab antiquis ad peccata cohibenda et ad nocentium formata impiorumque formidines? usque adeone mortales saeculi illius ac temporis corde fuerant uacui, rationis sensusque nullius, ut ab actionibus improbis tamquam paruuli pusiones personarum monstraosissima toruitate, sannis etiam constringerentur et maniis? et unde est in contrarium res uersa, ut cum tam multa in ciuitatibus templa sint plena omnium simulacris deorum, tot legibus et generibus suppliciorum tantis iri obuiam nequeat multitudini noxiorum neque ullis remediis audacia possit abscidi, tantoque se magis maleficia congeminata multiplicent, quanto legibus iudiciisque contenditur imminuere facta crudelia et poenarum coercitione sedare? quodsi metus aliquos infligerent simulacra mortalibus, legum latio cessaret nec tam diuersae cruces facinerosorum constituerentur audaciae. nunc uero quia constitit conprobatumque est, re ipsa inanem esse opinionem timoris qui ab signis dicatur effluere, ad legum decursum est sanctiones, a quibus esset formido certissima et iam fixa constitutaque damnatio, quibus debent et ipsa simulacra, quod incolumia adhuc perstant et honoris alicuius concessione munita sunt.
O dreadful forms of fear and fearful terrors, on account of which the human race was to be fixed in perpetual numbness, attempt nothing in its astonishment, and rein itself in from every criminal and shameful act: little sickles, keys, headdresses, sticks, winged sandals, staffs, little tambourines, flutes, psalteries, breasts prominent and huge, little cups, tongs, fruit-bearing horns, the naked bodies of women, and the publicly displayed size of male members! Would it not have been better to dance and sing than, under the title of gravity and the pretext of severity, to tell such cold and silly stories, that images were formed by the ancients to restrain sins and to frighten the guilty and impious? Were the mortals of that age and time so empty of heart, of no reason or sense, that they were restrained from wicked actions, like little boys, by the most monstrous grimness of masks, by grimaces and bogeys? And how has the matter turned out the opposite, so that, although there are so many temples in the cities full of images of all the gods, the multitude of the guilty cannot be met by so many laws and kinds of punishments, nor boldness be cut off by any remedies, and misdeeds multiply the more, doubled, the more it is striven by laws and courts to diminish cruel deeds and quiet them by the restraint of punishments? If images inflicted any fears on mortals, the passing of laws would cease, and such different tortures would not be established for the boldness of criminals. But now, because it is established and proved by the fact itself that the opinion of fear said to flow from statues is empty, recourse has been had to the sanctions of laws, from which there might be the most certain fear and a condemnation already fixed and established; to which even the images themselves owe it that they still stand unharmed and are protected by the grant of some honor.
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Summary: The attributes of the statues could frighten no one; it is laws and punishments, not images, that restrain crime and even protect the images themselves.
- The digital text has '0' for 'o', a stray period, 'P' for a question mark, and 'eertissima'; these are corrected.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (letter misread as a digit in the digital text; misread letter in the digital text; question mark misread as a letter in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): 0 species → o species; nuda. corpora → nuda corpora; formidines P usque → formidines? usque; eertissima → certissima.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.26 (CSEL 4:236–237; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-26). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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6.27CSEL 4:237
quoniam satis, ut res tulit, quam inaniter fiant simulacra monstratum est, de sacrificiis deinceps, de caedibus atque immolationibus hostiarum, de mero, de ture deque aliis omnibus quae in parte ista confiunt poscit ordo quam paucis et sine ullis circumlocutionibus dicere. in hac enim consuestis parte inuidias nobis tumultuosissimas concitare, appellare nos atheos, et quod minime sacrificamus diis, poenas etiam capitis beluarum crudelitatibus inrogare. quod quidem nos fatemur non contemptu facere atque aspernatione diuina, sed quod existimemus huius potentias nominis nihil tale deposcere neque rerum huiusmodi cupiditatibus attineri.
Since it has been shown sufficiently, as the matter allowed, how vainly images are made, the order next demands that we speak as briefly as possible and without any circumlocutions about sacrifices, about the slaughter and immolation of victims, about wine, about incense, and about all the other things done in this part. For in this part you are accustomed to stir up the most tumultuous odium against us, to call us atheists, and, because we do not sacrifice to the gods, even to inflict capital punishment on us through the cruelty of beasts. We confess that we do this, not out of contempt and scorn of the divine, but because we think that the powers of this name demand nothing of the kind and are not held by desires for such things.
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Summary: Christians refuse to sacrifice, not from contempt of the divine, but because true divinity needs no sacrifices; for this they are called atheists and executed.
Topics: Persecution, Martyrdom
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.27 (CSEL 4:237; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-6-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 7
7.1CSEL 4:238
Quid ergo, dixerit quispiam, sacrificia censetis nulla esse omnino facienda? ut uobis non nostra, sed Varronis uestri sententia respondeamus, nulla. quid ita? quia, inquit, dii ueri neque desiderant ea neque deposcunt, ex aere autem facti, testa, gypso uel marmore multo minus haec curant: carent enim sensu; neque ulla contrahitur, si ea non feceris, culpa, neque ulla, si feceris, gratia. sententia reperiri nulla potest integrior, uerior et quam quiuis possit, quamuis ille sit scaeuus et difficillimus, occupare. quis est enim pectoris tam optunsi, qui aut rebus nullum habentibus sensum hostias caedat et uictimas aut eis existimet dandas qui sunt ab his longe natura et beatitudine disiugati?
'What then,' someone may say, 'do you think that no sacrifices at all should be made?' To answer you with the opinion not of ourselves but of your Varro: none. Why so? 'Because,' he says, 'the true gods neither desire nor demand them, and those made of bronze, earthenware, gypsum, or marble care much less for them, for they lack sense; and no guilt is incurred if you do not make them, nor any favor gained if you do.' No sounder or truer opinion can be found, nor one which anyone, however perverse and difficult he may be, could seize upon. For who is so dull-hearted as either to slaughter victims and offerings to things that have no sense, or to think they should be given to those who are far removed from them in nature and blessedness?
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Summary: Following Varro, Arnobius holds that no sacrifices should be offered, since true gods do not want them and images cannot perceive them.
- The saying of Varro is probably from his Divine Antiquities (fragment). 'neri' in the digital text is corrected to 'ueri'.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): dii neri → dii ueri.
Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; quotation)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 7.1 (CSEL 4:238; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-7-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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7.2CSEL 4:238–239
qui sunt, inquitis, di ueri? ut communi uobis et simplici respondeamus uerbo, non scimus. quos enim uidimus numquam, qui sint scire quemadmodum possumus? ex uobis audire consueuimus deos esse quam plurimos et numinum in serie conputari: qui si sunt, ut dicitis, uspiam uerique, ut Terentius credit, eos esse consequitur sui consimiles nominis, id est tales quales eos uniuersi debere esse concipimus et nominis huius appellatione dicendos, quinimmo ut breuiter finiam, qualis dominus rerum est atque omnipotens ipse, quem dicere nos omnes deum scimus atque intellegimus uerum, cum ad eius nominis accessimus mentionem. deus enim ab altero in eo quo deus est nulla in re differt, nec quod unum est genere, suis esse in partibus minus aut plus potest qualitatis propriae uniformitate seruata. quod cum dubium non sit, sequitur ut geniti numquam perpetuique ut debeant esse, extrinsecus adpetentes nihil nec carpentes aliquas terrenae ex materiae opibus uoluptates.
'Who are the true gods?' you say. To answer you with a common and simple word: we do not know. For how can we know who those are whom we have never seen? We have been accustomed to hear from you that there are very many gods and that they are counted in a series of deities. If they exist anywhere, as you say, and are true, as Terentius believes, it follows that they are like their name, that is, such as we all conceive they ought to be and should be called by the title of this name; indeed, to define it briefly, such as the Lord of things and the Almighty himself is, whom we all know and understand is truly called God when we come to mention that name. For a god differs from another in nothing in which he is a god, nor can what is one in kind be less or more in its parts, the uniformity of its proper quality being kept. Since there is no doubt of this, it follows that they must be never born and everlasting, seeking nothing from outside and plucking no pleasures from the wealth of earthly matter.
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Summary: Christians do not know which gods are true, but any true gods would be like the supreme God: unborn, everlasting, and needing nothing.
- The Terentius cited is probably Varro (Marcus Terentius Varro).
Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion)
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 7.2 (CSEL 4:238–239; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-7-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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7.3CSEL 4:239–240
ergo si haec ita sunt, primum illud a uobis expetimus noscere, quae sit causa, quae ratio, sacrificia ut ista faciatis, quid deinde ex hoc lucri ad deos ipsos perueniat atque in eorum commoditates subsidat. quicquid enim geritur, debet habere causam sui neque ita esse ab ratione seiunctum, ut in operibus geratur cassis et in uacuis ludat inanitatis erroribus. numquid forte dii caelestes aluntur his sacris et ad eorum conpaginem retinendam nonnullius opus est suffectione materiae? et quis ita est hominum deus prorsus qui sit ignorans, ut eos existimet contineri alicuius alimonii genere et cibi esse munus quod eos faciat uiuere et inmensam in perpetuitatem durare? quicquid enim causis et rebus fulcitur extraneis, necesse est esse mortale et habere ad periculum uiam pronam, ubi aliquid coeperit deesse quo uiuitur. tum ∗∗ quod ex his rebus quae admouentur altaribus nihil uidemus accedere atque ad numinum substantias peruenire. aut enim tus datur et liquefactum carbonibus disperit, aut animalis est hostia et ab canibus abligurritur sanguis, aut si aliquod uiscus aris fuerit traditum, ratione ardescit pari et dissolutum in cinerem labitur. nisi forte hostiarum deus animas deuorat aut ex aris ardentibus nidorem consectatur et fumos, pasciturque de cnisis, quas euomunt ardentia uiscera adhuc uda de sanguine et prioribus umecta de sucis. sed si deus ut dicitur nullius est corporis omnique est incontiguus tactu, qui fieri potis est, ut corporalibus rebus nutriatur incorporeum, quod mortale est ut inmortale sustineat subdatque salutem rei quam contingere nequeat et motus subministrare uitalis? cessat ergo ut apparet sacrorum haec ratio, neque dici a quopiam potis est ea causa sacrificia celebrari, quod alantur his numina et eorum sustineantur e pastu.
If this is so, then first we want to learn from you what is the cause, what the reason that you make these sacrifices, and then what gain from this comes to the gods themselves and settles into their advantage. For whatever is done must have its cause, and not be so separated from reason that it is done in empty works and plays in the vain errors of emptiness. Are the heavenly gods perhaps nourished by these rites, and is there need of a supply of some matter to hold their frame together? And who among men is so wholly ignorant of what a god is as to think that they are kept alive by some kind of nourishment, and that it is the gift of food that makes them live and last into immense everlastingness? For whatever is supported by external causes and things must be mortal and have a road inclined toward danger when something by which it lives begins to fail. Then ... that nothing of those things which are brought to the altars is seen to be added to and reach the substance of the deities. For either incense is given and, melted on the coals, perishes; or it is an animal victim, and the blood is licked up by dogs; or if some inward part has been given to the altars, it burns in the same way and falls, dissolved, into ashes. Unless perhaps the god devours the souls of the victims or pursues the smell and smoke from the burning altars, and feeds on the fat-savor which the burning inward parts belch out, still wet with blood and moist with their former juices. But if God, as is said, has no body and is untouchable by any contact, how can the incorporeal be nourished by bodily things, the mortal sustain the immortal and give health and supply vital motion to a thing it cannot touch? This reason for the rites falls away, then, as appears, and no one can say that sacrifices are celebrated for this reason, that the deities are fed by them and sustained by their pasture.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
Ps 50:12–13 (49:12-Ps LXX) (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: Sacrifices cannot feed the gods, since true gods need no nourishment and the offerings are simply burned or eaten by dogs.
- A gap is marked in the edition ('∗∗').
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 7.3 (CSEL 4:239–240; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-7-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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7.4CSEL 4:240–241
numquid, si forte hoc non est, uoluptatis alicuius animique ut dicitur causa caeduntur diis hostiae et succensis adiciuntur altaribus? et quisquam est hominum qui deos sibi persuadeat uoluptatum diffusione mollescere, gestire * in libidinis gaudium et uelut animal uile blandis sensibus affici et dulcedinis labilis uolucri titillatione mulceri? quod enim uoluptate dissoluitur, id contraria necesse est tristitia contrahatur, nec immune existere ab anxietate potest maeroris quod laetitia trepidat et leuitatibus extollitur gaudiorum. utroque autem affectu debent esse dii liberi, si eos esse perpetuos et mortalium uolumus fragilitate priuatos. quid quod omnis uoluptas quasi quaedam est adulatio corporis notisque illis sensibus adsumitur quinque: quam si superi sentiunt, et eos necesse est esse participes corporum, per quae uia est sensibus et accipiendis uoluptatibus ianua. postremo quod gaudium est innoxiorum animantium mactatione laetari, miserabilis saepe exaudire mugitus, riuos sanguinis cernere, animas cum cruore fugientes patefactisque secretis prouoluier intestina cum stercore et ex residuo spiritu exsultantia adhuc corda tremibundisque palpitantes in uisceribus uenas? semiferi nos homines, quinimmo, apertius ut pronuntiemus quod est uerius atque aptius dictu, feri, quos infelix necessitas et malus usus edocuit cibos ex his carpere, miseratione interdum commouemur illorum, arguimus nos ipsi penitusque re uisa atque inspecta damnamus, quod humanitatis iure deposito naturalis uincli consortia ruperimus. deos aliquis credet pios beneficos mites caede pecorum delectari diffundique laetitia, si quando sub his concidunt et spiritum miserabiliter ponunt? et uoluptatis ergo ut cernimus nulla est in sacrificiis causa nec cur fiant ratio ea est, quoniam nec uoluptas est ulla, ac si forte est aliqua, in deos eam cadere nulla posse ratione monstratum est.
If perhaps this is not so, are victims slaughtered to the gods and put on the kindled altars for the sake of some pleasure and delight of mind, as is said? And is there any human being who persuades himself that the gods grow soft with the diffusion of pleasures, exult ... in the joy of lust, and, like a vile animal, are affected by pleasant sensations and soothed by the fleeting titillation of passing sweetness? For what is dissolved by pleasure must be contracted by the contrary sadness, and what quivers with joy and is lifted by the frivolities of delight cannot be free from the anxiety of grief. But the gods must be free from both feelings, if we want them to be everlasting and exempt from the frailty of mortals. What of this, that all pleasure is a kind of flattery of the body and is received by those well-known five senses? If the gods above feel it, they must also share in bodies, through which there is a way for senses and a door for receiving pleasures. Finally, what joy is it to rejoice in the slaughter of harmless animals, often to hear pitiful lowings, to see rivers of blood, lives fleeing with the gore, and, the hidden parts laid open, the intestines rolling out with dung, and hearts still leaping from the remaining breath, and veins throbbing in the trembling inward parts? We human beings, half-wild, or rather, to say more plainly what is truer and more fitting to say, wild, whom unhappy necessity and bad custom have taught to take food from them, are sometimes moved with pity for them, reproach ourselves, and, when we have seen and examined the matter thoroughly, condemn ourselves for having laid aside the law of humanity and broken the fellowship of a natural bond. Will anyone believe that the gods, pious, beneficent, and gentle, are delighted by the slaughter of cattle and spread with joy whenever they fall before them and pitifully lay down their breath? So there is no reason of pleasure in sacrifices, as we see, and that is not the reason they are made, since there is no pleasure in them; and if perhaps there is some, it has been shown that it can by no means fall upon the gods.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
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Summary: Gods cannot take pleasure in sacrifices, since they are free from passions and bodily senses, and the slaughter of animals is a pitiable sight even to humans.
- A gap is marked in the edition before 'in the joy'. A stray period in the digital text is removed.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): uoluptas. est ulla → uoluptas est ulla.
Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 7.4 (CSEL 4:240–241; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/6-13/#p-7-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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