Against the Nations 5.37–6.12

Latin text: CSEL 4 (Latin text: A. Reifferscheid (CSEL 4, 1875), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 6 (1886).

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Chapter 5

5.37CSEL 4:207–208

in nemore, inquit, Hennensi quondam flores Proserpina lectitabat uirago. integrum adhuc istud est et recta pronuntiatione prolatum; nam et nemus et flores quid sint, quid Proserpina, quid uirago, cunctis indubitabiliter notum est. emicuit Summanus e terris curru quadriiugo uectitatus. simplex et hoc aeque est; nam quadrigae, currus atque Summanus interpretationem desiderant nullam. inprouisus Proserpinam rapuit et sub terras secum auexit. seminis, inquit, abstrusio raptione in Proserpinae nuncupatur. quid accidit, quaeso, ut in aliud subito conuerteretur historia, semen Proserpina diceretur, ut quae uirago iamdudum florum in lectionibus habebatur, postquam sublata et rapta est, significationem coeperit habere sementis? Iuppiter, inquit, in taurum uersus concubitum matris suae Cereris appetiuit: ut expositum supra est, nominibus his tellus et labens pluuia nuncupatur. legem allegoricam uideo tenebrosis ambiguitatibus explicatam. irata Ceres est et exarsit et arietis proles pro poena atque ultione suscepit. hoc iterum uideo communibus in proloquiis promptum; nam et ira et [testes] satisfactio suis moribus et condicionibus dicta sunt. quid ergo hic accidit, ut ab Ioue, qui pluuia, et ab Cerere, quae appellata est terra, res transiret ad uerum Iouem atque ad rerum simplicissimam dictionem?

'Once,' he says, 'in the grove of Henna, the maiden Proserpina was gathering flowers.' So far this is whole and set out in straightforward statement; for what a grove and flowers are, what Proserpina is, what a maiden is, is known to all beyond doubt. 'Summanus sprang from the earth, carried in a four-horse chariot.' This too is equally simple; for four horses, a chariot, and Summanus need no interpretation. 'Unforeseen, he carried off Proserpina and took her with him under the earth.' 'The hiding of seed,' he says, 'is called by the carrying off of Proserpina.' What happened, I ask, that the history was suddenly turned into something else, that Proserpina was called seed, so that she who had just been held to be a maiden gathering flowers began, after she was taken and carried off, to have the meaning of seed? 'Jupiter, changed into a bull, sought intercourse with his mother Ceres': as was set out above, the earth and falling rain are called by these names. I see the law of allegory unfolded in dark ambiguities. 'Ceres was angry and burned, and received the ram's offspring as punishment and revenge.' This again I see plain in common statements; for both anger and satisfaction are spoken of according to their own nature and conditions. What happened here, then, that the matter passed from Jupiter who is rain and from Ceres who was called earth to the true Jupiter and to the simplest statement of facts?

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Summary: The allegorists arbitrarily switch between literal and allegorical readings within the same story.

  • Summanus was a Roman god of nocturnal thunder, here identified with Dis. The edition deletes 'testes'.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.37 (CSEL 4:207–208; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-37). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.38CSEL 4:208

aut igitur debent allegorico genere omnia esse scripta et posita demonstrandaque uniuersa nobis, aut genere isto conscriptum est nihil, quoniam esse quod concretum quasi parte ex historia sit parte ex allegoria non uidetur. allegorico genere scripta sunt haec omnia. minime istud uidetur certum. qua quaeritis ratione, qua causa? quia omne quod gestum est et in alicuius operis euidentia constitutum conuersionem non potest in allegoricam duci; neque enim potest infectum esse quod factum est aut rei gestae natura in alienam potest degenerare naturam. numquid bellum Iliacum in Socraticam uerti condemnationem potest, aut pugna illa Cannensis proscriptio fieri crudelitasque Syllana? potest quidem proscriptio, quemadmodum Tullius ludit, pugna dici appellarique Cannensis, sed quae gesta est dudum pugna, pugna esse non potest eademque proscriptio; neque enim quod gestum est potest aliud ut dixi quam id esse quod gestum est, aut in alienam migrare substantiam id quod in ui propria atque in sui generis qualitate defixum est.

So either everything must be written in the allegorical manner and all of it set out and demonstrated to us, or nothing is written in that manner, since it does not seem possible for there to be something compounded partly of history and partly of allegory. 'All these things are written in the allegorical manner.' That does not seem at all certain. On what ground, you ask, for what reason? Because everything that has been done and established in the evidence of some work cannot be converted into allegory; for what has been done cannot be undone, nor can the nature of a thing done degenerate into a nature not its own. Can the Trojan War be turned into the condemnation of Socrates, or that battle of Cannae become the proscription and cruelty of Sulla? A proscription may indeed, as Tullius jokes, be spoken of and called a battle of Cannae; but a battle fought long ago cannot be a battle and at the same time a proscription. For what has been done cannot, as I said, be anything but what was done, nor can what is fixed in its own force and in the quality of its own kind pass into another substance.

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Summary: Stories of events that actually happened cannot be turned into allegories, just as the Trojan War cannot become something else.

  • The joke of Cicero comparing Sulla's proscription to Cannae is not certainly identified in his surviving works.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero (Cicero; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.38 (CSEL 4:208; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-38). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.39CSEL 4:208–209

unde igitur probamus historias has omnes rerum esse gestarum conscriptiones? ex sollemnibus scilicet sacris atque initiorum mysteriis, uel quae statis fiunt temporibus ac diebus uel quae in abdito tradunt gentes moris proprii perpetuitate seruata. neque enim credendum est sine suis originibus haec esse, frustra atque inaniter fieri nec habere coniunctas primis institutionibus causas. pinus illa, sollemniter quae in matris infertur sanctum deum, nonne illius imago est arboris, sub qua sibi Attis uirum demessis genitalibus abstulit et quam memorant diuam in solatium sui consecrauisse maeroris? phallorum illa fascinorumque subrectio, quos ritibus annuis adorat et concelebrat Graecia, nonne illius facinoris similitudinem refert quo se ab debito Liber liberauit? Eleusinia illa mysteria et sacrorum reconditi ritus cuius memoriam continent? nonne illius erroris quo in filiae conquisitione Ceres, fessa oras ut uenit ad Atticas, triticeas attulit fruges, Nebridarum familiam pellicula cohonestauit hinnulae et illud spectaculum maximum Baubonis in inguinibus risit? aut si alia causa est, nihil ad nos istud, dummodo e causa cuncta ista confiant. neque enim credibile est nullis antecedentibus causis suscepta haec esse, aut insanire iudicandum est Atticos, qui sibi ritum religionis adfinxerint conflatum rationibus nullis. quod si liquet et constat, id est si e rebus actis mysteriorum causae atque origines effluunt, in allegoricas species nulla possunt conuersione traduci. quod enim factum, gestum est, infectum non potest fieri rerum prohibente natura.

From where, then, do we prove that all these histories are records of things done? From the solemn rites and mysteries of initiation, of course, both those performed at fixed times and days and those which the nations hand down in secret, preserved by the perpetuity of their own custom. For it must not be believed that these are without their origins, done in vain and emptily, and not having causes joined to their first institution. That pine which is solemnly brought into the sanctuary of the mother of the gods, is it not the image of the tree under which Attis took away his manhood by cutting off his genitals, and which they record the goddess consecrated as a solace for her grief? That raising of phalluses and members, which Greece worships and celebrates in yearly rites, does it not recall the likeness of that deed by which Liber freed himself from his debt? Those Eleusinian mysteries and the hidden rites of the sacred things, of what do they contain the memory? Is it not of that wandering in which Ceres, seeking her daughter, when weary she came to the shores of Attica, brought grain crops, honored the family of the Nebridae with a fawn's skin, and laughed at that greatest spectacle in Baubo's groin? Or if there is another cause, that is nothing to us, provided all these things arise from some cause. For it is not credible that these were undertaken with no preceding causes; or else the Athenians must be judged mad, who invented for themselves a religious rite put together for no reasons. But if this is clear and established, that is, if the causes and origins of the mysteries flow from things done, they cannot be turned into allegorical forms by any conversion. For what has been made and done cannot be undone, since the nature of things forbids it.

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Summary: The mystery rites commemorate the events of the myths, which proves that the myths were understood as history, not allegory.

  • The Nebridae were an Athenian priestly family; the fawn-skin (nebris) was worn in Dionysiac and Eleusinian rites. A stray comma in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray comma in the digital text): liberauit?, Eleusinia → liberauit? Eleusinia.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.39 (CSEL 4:208–209; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.40CSEL 4:209–210

et tamen ut uobis ita se habere adsentiamur res istas, id est ut historiae aliud uerbis sonent, nescio quid aliud more hariolantium dicant, ita non animaduertitis, non uidetis, quanta istud dicatur et * cum ignominia fieri contumeliaque diuorum? an iniuria grauior ulla potis est reperiri, quam terram et pluuiam uel quodlibet aliud — nihil enim refert quae fiat interpretatione conuersio — Iouis et Cereris dicere atque appellare concubitum et cum deorum criminibus labem imbris e caelo et telluris significare madorem? potest inreligiosius quippiam uel existimari uel credi quam semina terris mersa uel quodlibet aliud — nihil enim similiter refert — raptum Proserpinae dicere et cum nota Ditis patris rei rusticae de opere proloqui? nonne milies optatius fuit elinguem fieri atque mutum, quam scaturriginem istam uocis et strepitum foedae loquacitatis emittere, quam deorum nominibus res appellare, turpissimas, quinimmo turpibus deorum factis negotia significare uolgaria?

And yet, even if we agree with you that these things are so, that is, that the histories sound one thing in their words and say something else, like soothsayers, do you not notice, do you not see, how much ... this is said with the dishonor and insult of the gods? Can any heavier injury be found than to call and name earth and rain, or anything else (for it makes no difference what conversion is made by interpretation), the intercourse of Jupiter and Ceres, and to signify the falling of rain from the sky and the moistening of the earth by the crimes of the gods? Can anything be thought or believed more irreligious than to call seeds sunk in the ground, or anything else (for again it makes no difference), the rape of Proserpina, and to speak about the work of farming with a brand upon Father Dis? Would it not have been a thousand times more desirable to become tongueless and dumb than to send forth this gushing of speech and the din of foul talkativeness, to call the most shameful things by the names of gods, or rather to signify common affairs by the shameful deeds of the gods?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: Even as allegory, describing rain and sowing as divine incest and rape insults the gods.

  • A gap is marked in the edition. 'turissimas' in the digital text is corrected to 'turpissimas'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (letter missing in the digital text): turissimas → turpissimas.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.40 (CSEL 4:209–210; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-40). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.41CSEL 4:210–211

antea mos fuerat m allegorica eone honestissimis sensibus obumbrare res turpes et foeda prolatu honestorum conuestirier dignitate. at uero uobis auctoribus per turpitudinem dicuntur res graues et castitate pollentia obscenis commemorantur in uocibus, ut quod olim grauitas foedorum uerecundia contegebat nunc uerniliter turpiterque dicatur dignorum elocutione mutata. quod in adulterio dicimus Martem, inquit, et Venerem Vulcani esse circumretitos arte, cupiditatem dicimus atque iram ui pressas consilioque rationis. quid enim prohibebat, quid obstabat, suis unamquamque rem uerbis et suis significationibus promere? immo quid urguebat, cum nescio quid indicare per commentarios et scripta uoluisses, nolle illud intellegi quod indicares, sed contrarias res simul una expositione suscipere, studium docere cupientis et nolentis ostendere malignitatem? an deos adulteros dicere periculum habuit nullum, prolatio cupidinis atque irae linguam et os fuerat obsceno coinquinatura contactu? quod si utique fieret et allegoricae caecitatis obumbratio tolleretur, et facilis ad discendum res esset et deorum dignitas conseruaretur inlaesa. nunc uero cum dicitur in Martis et in Veneris uinctione uitiorum esse significata compressio, peruersissimae res duae simul isdem temporibus fiunt, ut et foedorum species intellectum subiciat honestatis et prius animum turpitudo quam religionis alicuius perstringat auctoritas.

Formerly it was the custom to veil shameful things by allegory with most honorable meanings, and to clothe things foul to utter with the dignity of honorable ones. But on your authority, serious things are spoken of through disgrace, and things strong in chastity are recounted in obscene words; so that what dignity once covered out of shame for the foul is now said slavishly and shamefully, with the language of the worthy changed. 'When we speak of Mars and Venus caught in adultery by Vulcan's art,' he says, 'we mean desire and anger repressed by the force and counsel of reason.' What prevented, what stood in the way of expressing each thing by its own words and its own meanings? Indeed, what compelled you, when you wanted to indicate something through commentaries and writings, to be unwilling for what you indicated to be understood, and to take on contrary things at once in one exposition, the zeal of one who wants to teach and the malice of one who does not want to show? Did it carry no danger to call the gods adulterers, while mentioning desire and anger would have defiled the tongue and mouth by obscene contact? If that had been done and the shadow of allegorical blindness removed, the matter would be easy to learn and the dignity of the gods would be kept unharmed. But now, when it is said that the restraint of vices is signified by the binding of Mars and Venus, two most perverse things happen at once: the appearance of foul things suggests the understanding of honorable things, and disgrace strikes the mind before the authority of any religion.

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Summary: Allegory used to veil shameful things in decent words; the pagans veil decent ideas in shameful stories, which is perverse.

  • The binding of Mars and Venus by Vulcan: Homer, Odyssey 8.266–366, often allegorized. The opening words are doubtful in the digital text ('m allegorica eone'); translated by sense. Two broken words in the digital text are joined.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (word broken with a stray letter in the digital text; word broken with stray letters in the digital text): signi-I ficata → significata; ho-is nestatis → honestatis.

Extrabiblical texts: Homer, Od. 8.266–366 (Homer, Odyssey; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.41 (CSEL 4:210–211; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-41). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.42CSEL 4:211

nisi forte dicetis — hoc enim solum restat, quod a uobis posse uideatur opponi — deos sua mysteria nolle ab hominibus sciri et idcirco historias ambagibus esse allegoricis scriptas. et unde uobis est liquidum, quod hominibus superi nolint sua mysteria publicari? unde illa uos scitis aut cur ea dissoluere in allegoriarum explanatione curatis? ad extremum et ultimum quid sibi dii uolunt, ut honesta cum nolint, turpissima de se dici atque indecora patiantur? Attidem cum nominamus, solem, inquit, significamus et dicimus: sed si Attis sol est, quemadmodum conmemoratis et dicitis, quis erit Attis ille, quem in Phrygia genitum uestrae produnt atque indicant litterae, quem passum esse res certas, fecisse item res certas, quem in spectaculis ludicris theatra uniuersa nouerunt, cui inter sacros cultus res uidemus fieri specialiter annuas nominatimque diuinas? utrumne ab sole ad hominem an ab homine ad solem uocabuli huius facta translatio est? si enim nomen istud principali erat ab origine solis, quid tandem de uobis sol aureus meruit, ut ei cum semiuiro faceretis uocabulum istud esse commune? sin hirquinum et Phrygium est, quid Phaethontis genitor, pater huius luminis et claritatis admisit, ut abciso ab homine dignus uideretur uocari et augustior fieret euirati corporis nuncupatione signatus?

Unless perhaps you will say (for this alone remains that it seems you can oppose) that the gods do not want their mysteries to be known by men, and that therefore the histories are written in allegorical riddles. And how is it clear to you that the gods above do not want their mysteries published to men? How do you know them, or why do you take care to unravel them in the explanation of allegories? Finally and at last, what do the gods mean, that while they do not want honorable things said of themselves, they allow most shameful and unseemly things? 'When we name Attis,' he says, 'we signify and mean the sun.' But if Attis is the sun, as you record and say, who will be that Attis whom your writings declare and show to have been born in Phrygia, to have suffered certain things and likewise done certain things, whom all the theaters know in playful shows, to whom we see yearly rites performed specially and by name, in divine form, among the sacred cults? Was the transfer of this name made from the sun to the man, or from the man to the sun? For if this name belonged to the sun from its first origin, what, pray, has the golden sun deserved from you, that you should make this name common to him and a half-man? But if it is goatish and Phrygian, what has the father of Phaethon, the parent of this light and brightness, done wrong, that he should seem worthy to be called after a castrated man, and become more august by being marked with the name of an emasculated body?

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Summary: If the gods wanted their mysteries hidden, allegorists should not reveal them; and identifying Attis with the sun dishonors the sun.

  • Two broken words in the digital text ('pat-iantur', 'Attidem\\') are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text; word broken by a hyphen in the digital text): pat-iantur → patiantur; Attidem\\ cum → Attidem cum.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.42 (CSEL 4:211; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-42). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.43CSEL 4:211–212

sed quid sit istud, iam promptum est omnibus. nam quia talium scriptorum historiarumque uos pudet nec aboleri uidetis posse ea quae sunt foede semel in commentarios relata, nitimini cohonestare res turpes atque omnibus argutiarum modis pro rebus subditis uerborum inuertitis corrumpitisque naturas atque ut olim accidere male sanis adsolet, quorum turbida uis morbi sensum atque intellegentiam depulit, confusa atque incerta iactatis et inanium per rerum figmenta bacchamini. esto: in Iouis et Cereris coetu inrigatio sit significata telluris, occultatio seminis patris in Ditis raptu, uina per terras sparsa distractis in uisceribus Liberi, cupiditatis et temeritatis conpressio colligatio dicta sit adulterorum Veneris atque Martis.

But what this is, is now plain to all. For since you are ashamed of such writings and histories, and see that what has once been foully recorded in commentaries cannot be abolished, you strive to make shameful things respectable, and by every kind of subtlety you invert and corrupt the natures of words in place of the things underneath; and, as usually happens to the unsound of mind whose sense and understanding the troubled force of disease has driven out, you throw out confused and uncertain things and rave through fictions of empty things. Granted: let the watering of the earth be signified by the union of Jupiter and Ceres, the hiding of seed by the rape of Father Dis, wine spread through the earth by the torn inward parts of Liber, and the restraint of desire and rashness be called the binding of the adulterers Venus and Mars.

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Summary: The allegorists, ashamed of their myths, twist words to make them respectable; Arnobius grants their interpretations for argument's sake.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.43 (CSEL 4:211–212; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-43). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.44CSEL 4:212–213

sed si fabulas has uultis more esse allegorico scriptas, quid ceteris fiet, quas non uidemus posse uersuras in huiusmodi cogi? quid enim subiciemus pro illis fluctibus, quos super aggerem tumuli Semeleiae subolis urigo contorsit? et quid pro illis Ganymedibus raptis atque in libidinum ministeria substitutis? quid pro illa conuersione formiculae, in quam Iuppiter maximus uastitatis suae liniamenta contraxit? quid pro cycnis et satyris? quid pro aureis imbribus, in quos idem se pellax fraude induit perfida formarum uarietatibus ludens? ac ne de Ioue solo loqui uideamur uoluisse, in amoribus numinum reliquorum esse allegoriae quae possunt, quae in mercennariis condicionibus ac seruitutibus, quae in uinculis orbitatibus planctibus, quae in cruciatibus uulneribus sepulcris? in quo cum unam contrahere possetis culpam, conscriptione de superis tali addidistis, ut dicitur, garo gerem, cum deorum nominibus appellauistis res turpes et uocabulis rursus deos rerum coinquinauistis infamium. quod si adesse hic eos aut esse illos uspiam cognitione indubitabili crederetis, in mentione illorum facienda praestringeret uos metus et tamquam uos audirent uestrasque acciperent uoces ita credi oportuit et haberi in cogitatione defixum. apud enim homines officiosis religionibus deditos non ipsi dii tantum uerum etiam nomina debent esse deorum reuerenda, quantumque est in ipsis qui censentur his nominibus, tantum esse par est in eorum appellationibus dignitatis.

But if you want these fables to be written in the allegorical manner, what will become of the others, which we do not see can be forced into turns of this kind? For what shall we substitute for those undulations which the lust of Semele's offspring twisted on the mound of the tomb? And what for those Ganymedes carried off and set to the service of lusts? What for that change into a little ant, into which greatest Jupiter contracted the features of his vastness? What for the swans and satyrs? What for the golden showers, into which the same seducer put himself, with treacherous fraud, playing in varieties of forms? And so that we may not seem to want to speak of Jupiter alone, what allegories can there be in the loves of the other deities, what in their hired conditions and servitudes, what in their bonds, bereavements, and laments, what in their tortures, wounds, and tombs? In this, when you might have incurred a single fault, you added, as the saying is, ... to your writing about the gods above, since you called shameful things by the names of gods and again defiled the gods with the names of infamous things. But if you believed with undoubted knowledge that they were present here or existed anywhere, fear would restrain you in mentioning them, and it ought to be believed and held fixed in thought as though they heard you and received your words. For among people devoted to dutiful religion, not only the gods themselves but also the names of the gods ought to be revered, and as much dignity as is in those who are counted under these names, so much ought to be in their titles.

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Summary: Many myths cannot be allegorized at all, and the pagans have doubled their fault by calling shameful things by the gods' names.

  • 'garo gerem' in the text is a doubtful proverb (apparently 'adding trash to fish-sauce'); translated by sense as '...'. The first allusion is to Liber and Prosymnus (5.28).

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.44 (CSEL 4:212–213; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-44). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

5.45CSEL 4:213–214

da ueram iudicii formam, et in illa eritis reprehensionis parte, quod in usu sermonis uestri Martem pro pugna appellatis, pro aquis Neptunum, Liberum patrem pro uino, Cererem pro pane, Mineruam pro stamine, pro obscenis libidinibus Venerem. quae est enim ratio, ut cum suis censeri appellationibus res possint, nominibus cognominentur deorum, et ea fiat numinibus contumelia quam nec homines sustinemus, si nostra quis nomina res ducat atque inuertat in friuolas? sed oratio sordida est, uerbis fuerit polluta si talibus. uerecundia * ac laude condigna! erubescitis panem et uinum nominare et pro coitu Venerem non metuitis dicere.

Give a true form of judgment, and you will be in that part of reproach, that in the use of your speech you call battle Mars, waters Neptune, wine Father Liber, bread Ceres, thread Minerva, obscene lusts Venus. For what reason is there that, when things can be reckoned by their own names, they should be called by the names of gods, and that such an insult should be done to the deities as we human beings would not endure, if someone took our names and turned them into trifles? 'But speech is mean if it is defiled with such words.' A modesty ... and worthy of praise! You blush to name bread and wine, and are not afraid to say 'Venus' for intercourse!

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: Using gods' names for common things like wine, bread, and intercourse insults the gods.

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Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 5.45 (CSEL 4:213–214; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-5-45). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Chapter 6

6.1CSEL 4:214

Nunc quoniam summatim ostendimus, quam impias de diis uestris opinionum constitueritis infamias, sequitur ut de templis, de simulacris etiam sacrificiisque dicamus deque alia serie quae his rebus adnexa est et uicina copulatione coniuncta. in hac enim consuestis parte crimen nobis maximum impietatis adfigere, quod neque aedes sacras uenerationis ad officia construamus, non deorum alicuius simulacrum constituamus aut formam, non altaria fabricemus, non aras, non caesorum sanguinem animantium demus, non tura neque fruges salsas, non denique uinum liquens paterarum effusionibus inferamus. quae quidem nos cessamus non ideo uel exaedificare uel facere, tamquam inpias geramus et scelerosas mentes aut aliquem sumpserimus temeraria in deos desperatione contemptum, sed quod eos arbitramur et credimus — si modo dii certi sunt et nominis huius eminentia praediti — honorum haec genera aut risui habere si rideant aut indigne perpeti si motibus exasperentur irarum.

Now, since we have shown in summary how impious the slanders of opinion are that you have established about your gods, it follows that we speak of temples, of images, and of sacrifices, and of the other series of things attached to these and joined to them in close connection. For in this part you are accustomed to fix on us the greatest charge of impiety: that we do not build sacred buildings for the duties of worship, do not set up an image or form of any god, do not construct altars or hearths, do not offer the blood of slaughtered animals, nor incense, nor salted meal, and finally do not bring flowing wine in the pourings of bowls. We refrain from building or doing these things, not because we have impious and wicked minds, or have conceived some contempt for the gods in reckless despair, but because we think and believe that they (if indeed they are certainly gods and endowed with the eminence of this name) either laugh at these kinds of honors, if they laugh, or endure them with indignation, if they are provoked by motions of anger.

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Summary: Arnobius turns to the charge that Christians have no temples, images, altars, or sacrifices, which true gods would not want.

  • A stray period in the digital text is removed.

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  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): ad officia. construamus → ad officia construamus.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.1 (CSEL 4:214; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.2CSEL 4:214–215

ut enim noscatis, quid de isto nomine sentiamus iudiciique simus cuius, existimamus nos eos, si modo dii certi sunt, ut eadem rursus satiateque dicantur, cunctarum esse debere perfectarumque uirtutum, sapientes iustos graues, si modo nulla est culpa, quod eos laudibus adcumulamus humanis, intestinis pollentes bonis, nec extraneis adminiculis adicere quo illis integritas inoffensae beatitudinis conpleatur, ab adfectibus cunctis et cunctis perturbationibus liberos non ira efferuere, non ullis cupiditatibus excitari, calamitatem inrogare nullis, non ex malis hominum crudelem accipere uoluptatem, non terrere portentis, non prodigiosas ostentare formidines, non uotorum debitis habere obnoxios et obligatos, nec piaculares hostias signis minacibus postulare, non pestilentias, non morbos corruptione aeris inducere, non adurere siccitatibus fruges, non caedibus interesse bellorum, non urbium stragibus, non aduersa his uelle, non illorum commoditatibus suffragari: sed, quod magnarum est mentium, pari pendere cunctos lance et indiuiduas cunctis beniuolentias exhibere. caduci enim generis et infirmitatis humanae est, contraria his agere: eosque quos tangat adfectio pati dolere deminui sapientium scita et pronuntiata definiunt nec posse aliter fieri, quin legibus mortalitatis adstricti sint qui sint ullis perturbationibus mancipati. quod cum ita se habeat, qui possumus iudicari deos habere contemptui, quos, nisi sunt recti et magnarum mentium admiratione laudabiles, deos negamus existimari nec potestatibus posse caelitibus applicari?

For so that you may know what we think of that name and what our judgment is: we think that they, if they are certainly gods, to say the same things again and fully, ought to be of all and perfect virtues, wise, just, grave (if there is no fault in heaping human praises on them), strong in inward goods, and not needing any external aids to complete the integrity of their unbroken blessedness; free from all passions and all disturbances; not boiling with anger, not roused by any desires, inflicting calamity on no one, not taking cruel pleasure from the evils of men, not terrifying with portents, not displaying prodigious terrors, not holding people bound and obliged by the debts of vows, nor demanding expiatory victims by threatening signs; not bringing pestilences and diseases by corrupting the air, not scorching crops with droughts, not taking part in the slaughter of wars or the destruction of cities, not wishing ill to some or favoring the advantages of others; but, what belongs to great minds, weighing all in an equal balance and showing undivided goodwill to all. For it belongs to a perishable race and to human weakness to do the contrary of these; and the teachings and statements of the wise declare that those whom passion touches suffer, grieve, and are diminished, and that it cannot be otherwise than that those who are slaves to any disturbances are bound by the laws of mortality. Since this is so, how can we be judged to hold the gods in contempt, whom we say cannot be considered gods or joined to the heavenly powers unless they are upright and praiseworthy for the admiration of great minds?

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Summary: True gods, if they exist, must be perfect, passionless, and equally good to all; this is a higher view of divinity than the pagans hold.

  • 'nosoatis' in the digital text is corrected to 'noscatis'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): nosoatis → noscatis.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.2 (CSEL 4:214–215; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.3CSEL 4:215–217

sed templa illis extruimus nulla nec eorum effigies adoramus, non mactamus hostias, non tura ac uina libamus. et quid amplius possumus uel honoris eis attribuere uel dignitatis, quam quod eos in ea ponimus parte qua rerum caput ac dominum summumque ipsum regem, cui debent di una nobiscum, quod esse se sentiunt et uitali in substantia contineri? numquid enim delubris aut templorum eum constructionibus honoramus? numquid ei hostias caedimus? numquid alias res damus, quas libare, profundere non est rationis expensae sed tracti per consuetudinem moris? etenim plena dementia est, necessitatibus tuis potentiora metiri et quae tibi sint usui datoribus diis dare, et honorem istum, non contumeliam ducere. templa igitur, quaerimus, in deorum quos usus aut in rei cuius necessitatem aut dicitis esse constructa aut esse rursus aedificanda censetis? hiemalia sentiunt frigora aut solibus torrentur aestiuis, pluuialibus nimbis perfluunt, uentorum eos aut turbines uexant, incursionem pati periclitantur hostilem ferarum aut rabidos adpetitus, ut merito illos conueniat tectorum munitionibus claudere, saxorum aut obiectione tutari? templa enim haec quid sunt? si humanam infirmitatem roges, nescio quid immane atque amplum: si deorum potentiam metiaris, successus quidam parui atque ut uerius eloquar genus angustissimum cauernarum paupertini cordis excogitatione suspensum. quorum si quaeris audire quis prior fuerit institutor, quis fabricator, aut Phoroneus, Aegyptius aut Merops tibi fuisse monstrabitur, aut ut tradit in Admirandis Varro, Iouis progenies Aeacus. sint ergo haec licet aut ex molibus marmoreis structa, laquearibus aut renideant aureis, splendeant hic gemmae et sidereos euomant uariata interstinctione fulgores: terra sunt haec omnia et ex faece ultima uilioris materiae concreta. neque enim si uos ea pretiis carioribus penditis, delectari credendum est his deos nec recusare nec spernere quo minus se saepiant et eorum obiectibus coerceantur inclusi. templum, inquit, hoc Martis est, hoc Iunonis et Veneris, hoc Herculis Apollinis Ditis. quid est aliud dicere, quam domus haec Martis est, haec Iunonis et Veneris, Apollo hic habitat, in hac manet Hercules, in illa Summanus? ita non prima et maxima contumelia est, habitationibus deos habere districtos, tuguriola his dare, conclauia et cellulas fabricari et eis existimare necessarias res esse, quae hominibus, felibus, quae sunt formiculis et lacertis, quae fugacibus, pauidis atque exiguis muribus?

'But we build them no temples, nor adore their images, we do not slaughter victims, we do not pour libations of incense and wine.' And what greater honor or dignity can we give them than to place them in the same position as the Head and Lord of things, the supreme King himself, to whom the gods owe, together with us, that they feel they exist and are held in living substance? For do we honor him with shrines or the construction of temples? Do we slaughter victims to him? Do we give him other things, which to offer and pour out is not a matter of weighed reason but of custom drawn out by habit? For it is complete madness to measure the more powerful by your own needs, and to give the gods, the givers, things that are of use to you, and to think this an honor and not an insult. For what use of the gods, then, we ask, or for the necessity of what thing, do you say temples were built or think they ought to be built again? Do they feel winter's cold or are they scorched by summer suns? Do they get soaked by rainstorms? Do whirlwinds trouble them? Are they in danger of suffering an enemy's attack or the rabid attacks of wild beasts, so that it is right to shut them in by the protection of roofs or guard them by the barrier of stones? For what are these temples? If you ask human weakness, something huge and ample; if you measure the power of the gods, certain small recesses, and, to speak more truly, a most narrow kind of cave, devised by the thought of a poor heart. If you want to hear who was their first founder and builder, you will be shown either Phoroneus, the Egyptian, or Merops, or, as Varro records in his Wonders, Aeacus, the offspring of Jupiter. So let them be built of masses of marble, or shine with gilded coffered ceilings, let gems glitter here and pour out starry flashes in varied inlay: all these are earth and compacted from the lowest dregs of baser matter. For if you value them at dearer prices, it must not be believed that the gods are delighted with them, or do not refuse and scorn to be fenced in and confined, shut up by their barriers. 'This,' he says, 'is the temple of Mars, this of Juno and Venus, this of Hercules, Apollo, Dis.' What else is this than to say: this is the house of Mars, this of Juno and Venus, Apollo lives here, in this Hercules stays, in that Summanus? Is it not the first and greatest insult to keep the gods confined in dwellings, to give them little huts, to build them rooms and cells, and to think that they need the things that human beings need, that cats need, that ants and lizards need, and fleeing, timid, tiny mice?

Acts 17:24–25 (echo, medium confidence)

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Summary: Christians honor the gods as they honor the supreme God, without temples; temples are useless to gods, who need no shelter, and confining gods in houses insults them.

  • The thought that God does not dwell in temples made by hands recalls Acts 17:24–25. Varro's 'Wonders' (Admiranda) is lost. The digital text has a stray '1' and stray letters 'I'; these are removed.

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  • Digital text corrected (stray letter in the digital text; stray letters in the digital text; stray number in the digital text): diis dare,1 et → diis dare, et; laquearibus I I aut → laquearibus aut; gemmae I et → gemmae et.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro, Admiranda (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.3 (CSEL 4:215–217; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.4CSEL 4:217

sed non, inquit, idcirco adtribuimus dis templa tamquam umidos ab his imbres uentos pluuias arceamus aut soles, sed ut eos possimus coram et comminus contueri, adfari de proximo et cum praesentibus quodammodo uenerationum conloquia miscere. sub axe enim nudo et sub aetherio tegmine inuocati si fuerint, nihil audiunt, et nisi de proximo admoueantur his preces, tamquam nihil dicatur, obstructi atque immobiles stabunt. atquin nos arbitramur omnem deum omnino, si modo nominis huius ui pollet, ex quacumque mundi parte quod quisque fuerit locutus, tamquam si sit praesens, audire debere, immo quod quisque conceperit sub obscuris et tacitis sensibus, cognitione anticipata praesumere, atque ut astra sol luna, cum supra terras meant, omnibus omnino cernentibus statim sunt et ubique praesentes, ita quoque conuenit audientiam numinum nulli esse clausam linguae semperque esse praesentem, quamuis ad eam uoces regionibus ex distantibus confluant. hoc est enim proprium deorum, conplere omnia ui sua, non partiliter uspiam sed ubique esse totos, non adesse non abesse, non cenatum ad Aethiopas pergere et post dies bis senos priuatum ad domicilium redire.

'But we do not give the gods temples,' he says, 'to keep off damp showers, winds, rains, or suns from them, but so that we may see them face to face and close at hand, address them from nearby, and in some way join in conversations of worship with them as they are present. For if they are invoked under the open sky and the covering of the ether, they hear nothing, and unless prayers are brought near to them, they will stand blocked and unmoved, as though nothing were said.' Yet we think that every god whatever, if he is strong with the power of this name, ought to hear, as though he were present, whatever anyone has said from any part of the world; indeed, ought to anticipate with foreknowledge what anyone has conceived in hidden and silent thoughts; and as the stars, sun, and moon, when they move above the earth, are at once seen by absolutely all and present everywhere, so it is fitting that the hearing of the deities be closed to no tongue and always present, even though voices flow to it from distant regions. For this is proper to gods: to fill all things with their power, to be whole everywhere, not partially somewhere, not to be present and absent, not to go to dine with the Ethiopians and return to their private dwelling after twelve days.

Jer 23:24 (echo, low confidence)

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Summary: Gods need no temples to hear prayers, for true divinity is present everywhere and knows even silent thoughts.

  • Homer, Iliad 1.423–425: the gods go to feast with the Ethiopians and return after twelve days. God filling all things recalls Jer 23:24. 'dus' in the digital text is corrected to 'dis'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): dus templa → dis templa.

Extrabiblical texts: Homer, Il. 1.423–425 (Homer, Iliad; allusion)

Topics: Prayer

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.4 (CSEL 4:217; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.5CSEL 4:217–218

quod si ita non erit, tollitur omnis spes opis et erit in dubio, audiamini ab dis necne, si quando res sacras caerimoniarum conficitis debitis. constituamus enim noscendae rei causa templum numinis alicuius esse apud Canarias insulas, eiusdem apud ultimam Thylen, eiusdem apud Seras esse, apud furuos Garamantas et si qui sunt alii quos ab sui notitia maria montes siluae et quadrini disterminant cardines: si omnes uno in tempore rebus diuinis factis, quod sua quosque necessitas rogitare compellit, poscantque de numine, referendi beneficii quaenam omnibus spes erit, si non undique ad se missam uocem deus exaudiet et erit ulla longinquitas, quo penetrare non possit auxilium poscentis oratio? aut enim nullis erit in partibus praesens, si uspiam poterit aliquando non esse, aut aderit unis tantum, quoniam praebere communiter suum non potest atque indiscretus auditum. atque ita perficitur, ut aut nullis deus opituletur omnino, si occupatus re aliqua ad audiendas uoces non quiuerit aduolare, aut exauditi tantummodo uni abeant soli, nihil egerint ceteri.

But if this is not so, all hope of help is taken away, and it will be doubtful whether you are heard by the gods or not, whenever you perform sacred rites with the due ceremonies. For, to understand the matter, let us suppose that there is a temple of some deity in the Canary Islands, of the same in farthest Thule, of the same among the Seres, among the dark Garamantes, and among any others whom seas, mountains, forests, and the four quarters of the world separate from our knowledge: if all at one time, having performed the divine rites, ask of the deity what their need compels each to ask, what hope of receiving a favor will all have, if the god does not hear the voice sent to him from everywhere, and if there is any distance where the prayer of one asking help cannot penetrate? For either he will be present in no parts, if he can at some time not be somewhere, or he will be present only to one, since he cannot give his hearing to all in common and without distinction. And so it comes about that either the god helps no one at all, if, occupied with something, he could not fly to hear their voices, or only one goes away heard and the rest have achieved nothing.

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Summary: A god confined to temples could not hear worshipers praying at the same time in distant temples.

Topics: Prayer

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.5 (CSEL 4:217–218; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.6CSEL 4:218–219

quid quod multa ex his templa, quae tholis sunt aureis et sublimibus elata fastigiis, auctorum conscriptionibus conprobatur contegere cineres atque ossa et functorum corporum sepulturas esse? nonne patet et promptum est aut pro dis immortalibus mortuos uos colere aut inexpiabilem fieri numinibus contumeliam, quorum delubra et templa mortuorum superlata sunt bustis? in historiarum Antiochus nono Athenis in Mineruio memorat Cecropem esse mandatum terrae, in templo rursus eiusdem, quod in arce Larisae est, esse conditus scribitur atque indicatur Acrisius, Erichthonius Poliadis in fano, Dairas et Immaradus fratres in Eleusinio consaepto, quod ciuitati subiectum est. quid Celei uirgines? non in Cereris Eleusiniae humationis habuisse perhibentur officia? non in Dianae delubro, quod in Apollinis constitutum est Delii, Hyperoche Laodiceque, quas aduectas illuc esse finibus ex Hyperboreis indicatur? in Didymaeo Milesio Cleochum dicit habuisse suprema Leandrius funeris. Leucophrynae monumentum in fano apud Magnesiam Dianae esse Myndius profitetur ac memorat Zeno. sub Apollinis arula, quae Telmessi apud oppidum uisitur, Telmessum esse conditum uatem non scriptis constantibus indicatur? Ptolomaeus Agesarchi de Philopatore quem edidit primo Cinyram regem Paphi cum familia omni sua, immo cum omni prosapia in Veneris templo situm esse litterarum auctoritate declarat. infinitum est et inmensum, quibus quique in fanis toto sint in orbe describere, nec exactam desiderat curam — quamuis poenam constituerit Aegyptus in eum qui publicasset quibus Apis iaceret absconditus — polyandria illa Varronis quibus templis contegantur quasque in se habeant superlati ponderis moles. sed quid ego haec parua?

What of this, that many of these temples, which are raised with golden domes and lofty roofs, are proved by the writings of authors to cover ashes and bones and to be the tombs of dead bodies? Is it not plain and evident that either you worship the dead instead of immortal gods, or an inexpiable insult is done to the deities, whose shrines and temples have been built over the tombs of the dead? Antiochus, in the ninth book of his histories, records that Cecrops was buried in the temple of Minerva at Athens; again, in the temple of the same goddess on the citadel of Larissa, Acrisius is written and shown to be buried; Erichthonius in the shrine of Polias; the brothers Dairas and Immaradus in the enclosure of the Eleusinium, which lies below the city. What of the daughters of Celeus? Are they not said to have received the rites of burial in the temple of Eleusinian Ceres? Are not Hyperoche and Laodice, who are said to have been brought there from the lands of the Hyperboreans, buried in the shrine of Diana which is set in the temple of Delian Apollo? Leandrius says that Cleochus received his last funeral rites in the Didymaeum at Miletus. Zeno of Myndus declares and records that the monument of Leucophryne is in the shrine of Diana at Magnesia. Is it not shown by consistent writings that the seer Telmessus is buried under the little altar of Apollo seen at the town of Telmessus? Ptolemy son of Agesarchus, in the first book of the work he published on Philopator, declares on the authority of literature that Cinyras, king of Paphos, with all his family, indeed with all his line, is laid in the temple of Venus. It would be infinite and immeasurable to describe who are in what shrines throughout the whole world; nor does it require exact care (although Egypt established a penalty for anyone who revealed where Apis lay hidden) to describe by what temples Varro's common graves are covered and what masses of heavy weight they have on top of them. But why do I speak of these small things?

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Summary: Many temples are built over the tombs of mortals, which means either that the dead are worshiped or that the gods are insulted.

  • Arnobius draws on the same list of temple-tombs as Clement of Alexandria (Protr. 3.45). Antiochus, Leandrius, Zeno of Myndus, and Ptolemy son of Agesarchus were Greek historians. The digital text has a stray '25' and a doubled period; these are removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (doubled period in the digital text; stray number in the digital text): Milesio 25 Cleochum → Milesio Cleochum; orbe.. describere → orbe describere.

Extrabiblical texts: Clement of Alexandria, Protr. 3.45 (Exhortation to the Greeks; allusion); Varro (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.6 (CSEL 4:218–219; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.7CSEL 4:219–220

regnatoris in populi Capitolio qui est hominum qui ignoret Oli esse sepulchrum Vulcentani? quis est, inquam, qui non sciat ex fundaminum sedibus caput hominis euolutum non ante plurimum temporis aut solum sine partibus ceteris — hoc enim quidam ferunt — aut cum membris omnibus humationis officia sortitum? quod si planum fieri testimoniis postulatis auctorum, Sammonicus Granius Valerianus uobis et Fabius indicabunt, cuius Aulus fuerit filius, gentis et nationis cuius, cur manu seruuli uita fuerit spoliatus et lumine, quid de suis commeruerit ciuibus, ut ei sit abnegata telluris patriae sepultura. condiscetis etiam, quamuis nolle istud publicare se fingant, quid sit capite retecto factum uel in parte qua areae curiosa fuerit obscuritate conclusum, ut immobilis uidelicet atque fixa obsignati ominis perpetuitas staret. quod cum opprimi par esset et uetustatis obliteratione celari, conpositio nominis iecit in medium et cum suis causis per data sibi tempora inextinguibili fecit testificatione procedere, nec erubuit ciuitas maxima et numinum cunctorum cultrix, cum uocabulum templo daret, ex Oli capite Capitolium quam ex nomine Iouio nuncupare.

Who among men does not know that on the Capitol of the ruling people is the tomb of Olus of Vulci? Who, I say, does not know that from the seat of the foundations a man's head was rolled out not very long before, either alone without the other parts (for some say this) or having received burial rites with all its limbs? If you ask that this be made plain by the testimony of authors, Sammonicus, Granius, Valerianus, and Fabius will show you whose son Aulus was, of what race and nation, why he was robbed of life and light by the hand of a little slave, and what he deserved from his fellow citizens that burial in his native soil was denied him. You will also learn, though they pretend not to want to publish this, what was done when the head was uncovered, or in what part of the area it was shut up in careful obscurity, so that, of course, the perpetuity of the sealed omen might stand immovable and fixed. Although it was fitting that this should be suppressed and hidden by the forgetfulness of antiquity, the composition of the name threw it into the open and made it go on with its causes, through the times given to it, with inextinguishable testimony; nor was the greatest city, the worshiper of all the deities, ashamed, when it gave a name to the temple, to call it Capitolium from the head (caput) of Olus rather than from the name of Jupiter.

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Summary: Even the Roman Capitol is named after the head of a dead man, Olus, found in its foundations.

  • The legend of the head (caput) of Olus (Aulus Vibenna) of Vulci found on the Capitol explains the name Capitolium. Sammonicus, Granius, Valerianus, and Fabius were Roman antiquarians. A stray period in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): Oli. esse → Oli esse.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.7 (CSEL 4:219–220; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.8CSEL 4:220

satis igitur ut opinor ostendimus templa diis immortalibus aut inaniter esse constructa aut contra decus et potentiam creditam contumeliosis opinationibus fabricata. sequitur ut de signis aliquid simulacrisque dicamus, quae multa arte conponitis et religiosa obseruatione curatis. qua in parte si fides est ulla, constituere apud nos ipsos nullis considerationibus possumus, utrumne istud serio et cum proposito faciatis graui an ridendo res ipsas puerili alucinatione ludatis. si enim certum est apud uos deos esse, quos remini atque in summis caeli regionibus degere, quae causa, quae ratio est, ut simulacra ista fingantur a uobis, cum habeatis res certas, quibus preces possitis effundere et auxilium rebus in exigentibus postulare? sin autem non creditis aut, ut mediocriter dicatur, ambigitis, etiam sic ratio quaenam est dubiorum fingere atque instituere simulacra et quod esse non credas uentosa imitatione formare? an numquid dicitis forte, praesentiam uobis quandam his numinum sub exhiberi simulacris, et quia deos uidere non datum est, † eos insolidi et munia officiosa praestari? hoc qui dicit et adserit deos esse non credit, nec habere conuincitur suis religionibus fidem cui opus est uidere quod teneat, ne inane forte sit quod † obscurum non uidetur.

We have shown enough, I think, that temples were either built in vain for the immortal gods or built, contrary to their believed honor and power, with insulting opinions. It follows that we say something about the statues and images which you compose with much art and tend with religious care. On this point, if there is any honesty, we cannot settle with ourselves by any considerations whether you do this seriously and with grave purpose, or play with the things themselves in childish delusion, laughing. For if it is certain among you that there are gods, as you suppose, and that they live in the highest regions of heaven, what cause, what reason is there for these images to be made by you, since you have certain beings to whom you can pour out prayers and ask help in pressing circumstances? But if you do not believe, or, to put it mildly, are in doubt, even so, what reason is there to fashion and set up images of doubtful beings, and to form by empty imitation what you do not believe exists? Or do you perhaps say that some presence of the deities is shown to you under these images, and, because it is not granted to see the gods, ...? Whoever says and asserts this does not believe that there are gods, and is convicted of having no faith in his own religion, since he needs to see what he holds, lest perhaps what is not seen, being obscure, be empty.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: If the pagans believe in the gods, they do not need images; if they doubt, images of doubtful beings are pointless.

  • Several places are corrupt ('†').

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.8 (CSEL 4:220; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.9CSEL 4:220–221

deos, inquitis, per simulacra ueneramur. quid ergo? si haec non sint, coli se dii nesciunt nec inpertiri a uobis ullum sibi existimabunt honorem? per tramites ergo quosdam et per quaedam fidei commissa, ut dicitur, uestras sumunt atque accipiunt cultiones, et antequam ii sentiant quibus illud debetur obsequium, simulacris litatis prius et uelut reliquias quasdam aliena ad illos ex auctoritate transmittitis. et quid fieri potis est iniuriosius contumeliosius durius, quam deum alterum scire et rei alteri supplicare? opem sperare de numine et nullius sensus ad effigiem deprecari? nonne illud est, quaeso, quod in uulgaribus prouerbiis dicitur, fabrum caedere cum ferias fullonem, et cum hominis consilium quaeras, ab asellis et porculis agendarum rerum sententias postulare?

'We venerate the gods through images,' you say. What then? If these did not exist, would the gods not know they are worshiped, and would they think no honor was given them by you? So they take and receive your worship through certain byways and, as the saying is, through certain trusts; and before those to whom that service is owed perceive it, you first sacrifice to the images, and send on to them some leftovers, as it were, on another's authority. And what can be more injurious, insulting, and harsh than to know one god and pray to another thing? To hope for help from a deity and to plead before an image of no sense? Is it not, I ask, what is said in the common proverbs, to strike the smith when you hit the fuller, and, when you seek a man's advice, to ask opinions about what is to be done from little asses and piglets?

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Summary: Worshiping gods through images is like praying to one being while addressing another, a senseless substitution.

  • A stray period in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): in. uulgaribus → in uulgaribus.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.9 (CSEL 4:220–221; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.10CSEL 4:221–222

et unde nouissime scitis, an simulacra haec omnia quae dis immortalibus uicaria substitutione formatis similitudinem referant habeantque diuinam? potest enim fieri, ut barbatus in caelo sit qui esse a uobis effingitur leuis, potest ut senectute prouectior cui puerilem commodatis aetatem, potest ut hic flauus sit *** qui in ueritate habeat oculos caesios, displosas ut gestitet nares quem esse uos facitis figuratisque nasicam. neque enim rectum est dicere aut appellare simulacrum quod non pariles lineas principali ab ore traducat: quod esse planum et certum manifestis poterit ab rebus agnosci. nam cum omnes homines teretem esse solem indubitabili luminum contemplatione uideamus, os illi uos hominis et mortalium corporum liniamenta donastis. luna semper in motu est et ter denas facies in restitutione accipit menstrua: uobis ducibus et figuratoribus femina est, uultuque est uno quae per habitus mille cottidiana instabilitate mutatur. intellegimus omnes uentos aeris esse fluorem pulsi et mundanis rationibus concitati: per uos hominum formae sunt bucinarum animantes tortus intestinis et domesticis flatibus. inter deos uidemus uestros leonis toruissimam faciem mero oblitam minio et nomine † frugiferio nuncupari. si simulacra haec omnia superorum sunt imagines numinum, ergo et in caelo habitare dicendus est deus talis, ad cuius formam et speciem simulacri huius similitudo directa est, et uidelicet ut hic iste, ita illic ille sine reliquo corpore persona est et facies sola, fremibundus hiatibus toruis, dirus sanguineo de colore, † malum dentibus suis comprimens atque ut olim fessi canes linguam ore de patulo † puetuitate proiciens. quod si utique non est, ita ut omnes existimamus non esse, quaenam tanta audacia est, formam tibi quam uolueris fingere ac dicere esse simulacrum dei quem probare non possis ulla esse in parte naturae?

And finally, how do you know whether all these images which you form as substitutes for the immortal gods reproduce and have the divine likeness? For it may be that he who is represented by you as smooth-faced is bearded in heaven; that he to whom you give a boyish age is further advanced in years; that this one is fair ... who in truth has gray eyes; that he whom you make and shape with a big nose has flaring nostrils. For it is not right to say or call something an image which does not carry over like lines from the original face; and that this is plain and certain can be recognized from obvious things. For while all people see by the undoubted contemplation of their eyes that the sun is round, you have given him the face of a man and the features of mortal bodies. The moon is always in motion and takes thirty faces in her monthly restoration: with you as guides and shapers she is a woman, and has one face, though she changes through a thousand appearances in daily instability. We all understand that the winds are a flow of air driven and stirred by the workings of the world: through you they are human forms, animating trumpet-coils with inward and domestic breaths. Among your gods we see a lion's most savage face smeared with pure vermilion and called by the name ... If all these images are likenesses of the deities above, then it must be said that such a god lives in heaven too, to whose form and appearance the likeness of this image is directed; and, of course, as this one here, so that one there is a mask without the rest of a body, a face alone, roaring with savage gapings, dreadful, blood-colored, pressing ... with his teeth, and, like tired dogs, thrusting his tongue out of his open mouth .... But if this is certainly not so, as we all think it is not, what great boldness is it to fashion for yourself whatever form you please and to say it is the image of a god whom you cannot prove to exist in any part of nature?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

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Summary: Images cannot be true likenesses of gods whom no one has seen, as the human-shaped sun, moon, and winds, and a lion-faced god, show.

  • The lion-faced god smeared with vermilion is probably Mithras or a related deity; the name is corrupt ('† frugiferio'). Several other places are corrupt or defective. A stray period in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): uos. facitis → uos facitis.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.10 (CSEL 4:221–222; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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6.11CSEL 4:222–223

ridetis temporibus priscis Persas fluuios coluisse, memorialia ut indicant scripta, informem Arabas lapidem, acinacem Scythiae nationes, ramum pro Cinxia Thespios, lignum Icarios pro Diana indolatum, Pessinuntios silicem pro Deum Matre, pro Marte Romanos hastam, Varronis ut indicant Musae, atque, ut Aethlius memorat, ante usum disciplinamque fictorum pluteum Samios pro Iunone: et abstinetis a risu, cum pro diis immortalibus sigilliolis hominum et formis supplicatis humanis? quinimmo deos esse sigillaria ipsa censetis, nec praeter haec quicquam uim creditis habere diuinam. quid dicitis, o isti? ergone dii caelites habent aures et tempora, ceruices occipitium spinam lumbos latera poplites nates suffragines talos membraque alia cetera, quibus constructi nos sumus et quae prima in parte paulo plenius dicta sunt et scripto uberiore prolata? utinam liceret introspicere sensus uestros recessusque ipsos mentis, quibus uarias uoluitis atque initis obscurissimas cogitationes: reperiremus et uos ipsos eadem sentire quae nos neque alias gerere super numinum figuratione sententias. sed studiis facere quid peruicacibus possumus, quid intentantibus gladios nouasque excogitantibus poenas? minantes adseritis malam scientissimi causam, et quod semel sine ratione fecistis, ne uideamini aliquid aliquando nescisse, defenditis meliusque putatis non uinci quam confessae cedere atque adnuere ueritati.

You laugh that in ancient times the Persians worshiped rivers, as the memorial writings show; the Arabs a shapeless stone; the Scythian nations a sword; the Thespians a branch instead of Cinxia; the Icarians an unhewn log instead of Diana; the people of Pessinus a flint instead of the Mother of the Gods; the Romans a spear instead of Mars, as the Muses of Varro show; and, as Aethlius records, before the use and skill of sculptors, the Samians a plank instead of Juno. And do you refrain from laughing when you pray to little figurines of men and human forms instead of the immortal gods? Indeed, you think that the figurines themselves are gods, and believe that nothing besides them has divine power. What do you say? Do the heavenly gods have ears and temples, necks, backs of the head, spines, loins, sides, knees, buttocks, hamstrings, ankles, and all the other limbs of which we are built, and which were spoken of somewhat more fully in the first part and set out in more ample writing? Would that it were possible to look into your feelings and the very recesses of your mind, in which you turn over and enter into various most obscure thoughts: we would find that you yourselves think the same as we do and hold no other opinions about the shaping of the deities. But what can we do against stubborn zeal, what against those who threaten with swords and devise new punishments? Threatening, you, most knowing, assert a bad case; and what you once did without reason you defend, so as not to seem ever to have been ignorant of anything, and you think it better not to be conquered than to yield and assent to the confessed truth.

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Summary: The pagans mock ancient aniconic cult objects yet worship human-shaped statues, and defend by force what they privately know to be absurd.

  • Clement of Alexandria gives a similar list (Protr. 4.46). Varro's 'Muses' is one of his lost works; Aethlius was a Samian historian. A stray period in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): abstinetis. a risu → abstinetis a risu.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion); Clement of Alexandria, Protr. 4.46 (Exhortation to the Greeks; allusion)

Topics: Persecution

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.11 (CSEL 4:222–223; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

6.12CSEL 4:223–224

ex huiusmodi causis illud etiam uobis coniuentibus consecutum est, ut in deorum corporibus lasciuiae artificum luderent darentque his formas quae cuilibet tristi possent esse derisui. itaque Hammon cum cornibus iam formatur et fingitur arietinis, Saturnus cum obunca falce custos ruris, ut aliquis ramorum luxuriantium tonsor, cum petaso gnatus Maiae, tamquam uias adgredi praeparet et solem pulueremque declinet, Liber membris cum mollibus et languoris feminei dissolutissimus laxitate, Venus nuda et aperta, tamquam si illam dicas publicare, diuendere meritorii corporis formam, cum pilleo Vulcanus et malleo, manu liber sed dextera ut fabrili expeditioni succinctus, cum plectro et fidibus Delius, citharistae gestus seruans, cantaturi et nenias histrionis, cum fuscina rex maris, tamquam illi pugna sit gladiatorii obeunda certaminis: neque ullum est reperire figmentum alicuius numinis, quod non habitus certos ferat fabrorum liberalitate donatos. ecce si aliquis uobis nescientibus et ignaris rex urbanus et callidus ex foribus suis Solem tollat et in Mercurii transferat sedem, Mercurium rursus arripiat atque in Solis faciat commigrare delubrum — uterque enim a uobis glaber atque ore compingitur leui — detque huic radios, Solis capiti petasunculum superponat: quibus modis internoscere poteritis, utrumne Sol iste sit an ille Mercurius, cum habitus uobis deos, non oris soleat proprietas indicare? consimili rursus translatione si nudo Ioui cornua detrahat et Martis temporibus adfigat, Martem armis spoliet et his rursus circumcludat Hammonem: interstinctio fieri quae poterit singulorum, cum qui Iuppiter fuerat idem possit existimari Mars esse et qui Mauors fuerat subintroire speciem Iouis possit Hammonis? usque adeo ludus est simulacra ista confingere, nomina illis tamquam propria dedicare, quibus si habitum detrahas, tollatur cognitio singulorum, deus pro deo credi, alter uideri pro altero, immo pro utroque uterque possit existimari.

From causes of this kind it has also followed, with your connivance, that the playfulness of artists has sported with the bodies of the gods and given them forms that could be laughed at by any gloomy person. So Hammon is now formed and fashioned with ram's horns; Saturn with a hooked sickle, as guardian of the fields, like some pruner of luxuriant branches; the son of Maia with a broad-brimmed hat, as though preparing to set out on the road and avoid the sun and dust; Liber with soft limbs, most loose with the languor of feminine softness; Venus naked and exposed, as if you were to say she publishes and sells the form of a body for hire; Vulcan with a cap and hammer, his hand free, but his right arm girded as for a smith's task; the Delian with plectrum and lyre, keeping the gestures of a lyre player and of an actor about to sing dirges; the king of the sea with a trident, as though he had to fight a gladiator's contest. Nor can you find any image of a deity that does not bear certain attributes given by the generosity of the craftsmen. Suppose some clever city-dweller, without your knowledge and unawares, takes the Sun from its doors and moves it into Mercury's seat, and again seizes Mercury and makes him move into the Sun's shrine (for both are made by you beardless and with smooth faces), and gives rays to the one and puts a little hat on the Sun's head: how will you be able to tell whether this is the Sun or that Mercury, since attributes, not the particularity of the face, usually indicate the gods to you? Again, by a similar transfer, if he takes the horns from Jupiter Hammon and fixes them on the temples of Mars, strips Mars of his arms and surrounds Hammon with them: how can each be distinguished, when he who was Jupiter can be thought to be Mars, and he who was Mavors can take on the appearance of Jupiter Hammon? So much a game is it to fashion these images and dedicate names to them as their own, when, if you take away their attributes, recognition of each is removed: a god may be believed for a god, one seen for another, indeed each may be thought to be both.

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Summary: The gods' statues are distinguished only by the attributes artists give them; exchange the attributes and no one could tell which god is which.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 6.12 (CSEL 4:223–224; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/5-37/#p-6-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.