Against Celsus 6.10

Summary: Celsus says Plato gives reasons and makes no boastful claims, but Origen answers that Plato's Zeus boasts in the Timaeus, that Scripture condemns thoughtless belief, and that Christians suit their teaching to each hearer, often with reasoned argument.

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Greek text · Koetschau 2:79–80

Εἶτά φησιν ὅτι ὁρᾷς ὅπως Πλάτων, καίτοι διαβεβαιωσάμενος ὅτι „ῥητὸν“ οὐκ ἔστιν, ὅμως, ἵνα μὴ εἰς ἀνεξέλεγκτον ἀναχωρεῖν δόξῃ, λογισμὸν ὑπέχει ταύτης τῆς ἀπορίας· εἴη γὰρ ἂν τυχὸν „ῥητὸν“ καὶ τὸ μηδέν. ἀλλʼ ἐπεὶ τοῦτο φέρει εἰς κατασκευὴν τοῦ δεῖν μὴ ἁπλῶς πιστεύειν ἀλλὰ λογισμὸν ὑπέχειν τῶν πιστευομένων, χρησόμεθα καὶ ἡμεῖς τοῦ Παύλου λέξει ἐγκαλούσῃ τῷ εἰκῇ πιστεύοντι, ἐν ᾗ φησιν· „ἐκτὸς εἰ μὴ εἰκῇ ἐπιστεύσατε.“ τὸ ὅσον δʼ ἐπʼ αὐτῷ ἀναγκάζει ἡμᾶς ταυτολογεῖν ταυτολογῶν ὁ Κέλσος, λέγων μετὰ τὰς εἰρημένας ὥσπερ ἀλαζόνων ἀλαζονείας ὅτι ὁ Πλάτων οὐκ ἀλαζονεύεται καὶ ψεύδεται φάσκων αὐτὸς καινόν τι εὑρίσκειν ἢ ἀπʼ οὐρανοῦ παρὼν ἀγγέλλειν, ἀλλʼ ὁπόθεν ἐστὶ ταῦθʼ ὁμολογεῖ. εἴποι ἄν τις οὖν καὶ πρὸς ταῦτα. βουλόμενος ἀπαντᾶν τῷ Κέλσῳ, ὅτι καὶ Πλάτων ἀλαζονεύεται ἐν τῇ τοῦ Διὸς κατὰ τὸν Τίμαιον δημηγορίᾳ λέγων· „θεοὶ θεῶν, ὧν ἐγὼ δημιουργὸς καὶ πατὴρ“, καὶ τὰ ἑξῆς. ἀλλʼ εἰ ἀπολογήσεταί τις περὶ τούτων διὰ τὸν νοῦν τοῦ δημηγοροῦντος παρὰ τῷ Πλάτωνι Διὸς, διὰ τί ὁ ἐξετάζων τὸν νοῦν τῶν λόγων τοῦ υἱοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ ἢ τῶν ἐν τοῖς προφήταις τοῦ δημιουργοῦ οὐχὶ καὶ πλεῖόν τι ἐρεῖ παρὰ τὴν ἐν τῷ Τιμαίῳ τοῦ Διὸς δημηγορίαν; τὸ γὰρ χαρακτηρίζον τὴν θεότητα ἡ περὶ μελλόντων ἐστὶν ἀπαγγελία, οὐ κατʼ ἀνθρωπίνην φύσιν λεγομένων καὶ ταῖς ἐκβάσεσι κρινομένων ὅτι θεῖον πνεῦμα ἦν τὸ ταῦτα ἀπαγγέλλον. οὐ πρὸς πάντα οὖν τὸν προσιόντα φαμὲν ὅτι πρῶτον πίστευσον ὃν εἰσηγοῦμαί σοι τοῦτον εἶναι υἱὸν θεοῦ, ἀλλʼ ἑκάστῳ κατὰ τὸ πρέπον αὐτοῦ τῷ ἤθει καὶ τῇ καταστάσει προσάγομεν τὸν λόγον, μαθόντες „εἰδέναι, πῶς δεῖ ἡμᾶς ἑνὶ ἑκάστῳ ἀποκρίνασθαι.“ καὶ εἰσὶν οἷς πλεῖον μὴ δυναμένοις τοῦ προτραπῆναι εἰς τὸ πιστεύειν τοῦτο κηρύττομεν, ἄλλοις δὲ ὅση δύναμις ἀποδεικτικῶς διʼ ἐρωτήσεων καὶ ἀποκρίσεων προσερχόμεθα. ἀλλʼ οὐδὲ λέγομεν τὸ μετὰ χλεύης ὑπὸ τοῦ Κέλσου εἰρημένον. ὅτι πίστευσον ὃν εἰσηγοῦμαί σοι τοῦτον εἶναι υἱὸν θεοῦ, κἂν ᾖ δεδεμένος ἀτιμότατα ἢ κεκολασμένος αἴσχιστα, κἂν χθὲς καὶ πρώην ἐν τοῖς πάντων ὀφθαλμοῖς ἐπονειδιστότατα κεκαλινδημένος. οὐδέ φαμεν· ταύτῃ καὶ μᾶλλον πίστευσον. εἰς ἕκαστον γὰρ πειρώμεθα λέγειν καὶ πλείονα ὧν ἐν τοῖς ἀνωτέρω ἐξεθέμεθα.

English · Claude translation

Then Celsus says: You see how Plato, although he firmly declared that the good is not “expressible,” nevertheless, so as not to seem to take refuge in what cannot be examined, gives a reasoned account of this difficulty; for perhaps even “nothing” might be “expressible.” But since he brings this forward to establish that one should not simply believe but should give a reasoned account of what is believed, we too shall use a saying of Paul that rebukes the person who believes at random, in which he says: “unless you believed in vain.” Celsus, so far as it rests with him, forces us to repeat ourselves by repeating himself, saying, after the boasts he spoke of as those of boasters, that Plato does not boast and lie by claiming that he himself has discovered something new or has come from heaven to announce it, but acknowledges where these things come from. Someone wishing to answer Celsus might say to this too that Plato also boasts in the speech of Zeus in the Timaeus, where he says: “Gods of gods, whose maker and father I am,” and so on. But if someone defends these words by the meaning of the Zeus who makes the speech in Plato, why should not one who examines the meaning of the words of the Son of God, or of those spoken by the Creator in the prophets, say something even greater than the speech of Zeus in the Timaeus? For what marks divinity is the announcement of future things, spoken not according to human nature, which are shown by their fulfilment to have been announced by a divine Spirit. We do not, then, say to everyone who comes to us, “First believe that the one I am introducing to you is the Son of God”; but we bring the word to each one in the way suited to his character and condition, since we have learned “to know how we ought to answer each one.” And there are some to whom, since they can do no more than be urged to believe, we preach this; but others we approach, so far as possible, by demonstration through questions and answers. Nor do we say what Celsus mockingly says, “Believe that the one I am introducing to you is the Son of God, even though he was bound most dishonourably and punished most shamefully, even though only yesterday or the day before he was rolled about most disgracefully before the eyes of all.” Nor do we say, “For this reason believe all the more.” For on each point we try to say even more than we set out above.

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Koetschau 2:79–80 · Paul Koetschau, ed., Origenes Werke 1–2: Gegen Celsus, GCS 2–3 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1899) · Greek text: P. Koetschau, Origenes Werke 1–2 (GCS 2–3, 1899), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library and published by the First Thousand Years of Greek project (Open Greek and Latin), CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Koetschau, GCS 2–3. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Koetschau, GCS 2–3; made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 4 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made)
Scripture
Extrabiblical texts
  • Plato, Tim. 41a (Plato (works)) · quotation, high confidence
Topics
Christology

Notes

Translation notes

  • The quotations are 1 Cor 15:2, Plato, Timaeus 41a, and Col 4:6. The first remark attributed to Celsus paraphrases Plato, Letter 7.

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Origen, Cels. 6.10 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/10/).

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Origen, Cels. 6.10 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/origen-celsum/6/10/).

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