Against Fate 7–11
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Chapter 7
7PG 45
Ταῦτα δὲ μου διεξιόντος, καὶ διὰ τῶν τοιούτων νοημάτων πρὸς τὸ ἄτοπον τὸν λόγον ἐχδάλλοντος, ἐπιχόψας μεταξὺ διὰ καταφορᾶς προϊόντα τὸν λόγον ὁ προσδιαλεγόμενός μοι φιλόσοφος, Τί μάχῃ, φησὶ, τῇ ἐνεργείᾳ ; τί δὲ οὐκ ἕπῃ τοῖς διὰ τῶν ἀριθμῶν παρατετηρηχόσ: τὴν τῶν ὅλων ἀλήθειαν, οἷς εἰ πρὸς ἀχρίδειαν ἡ ὥρα ληφθείη τῆς τοῦ ἀποχυηθέντος γενγήσεως, πᾶσαν δι᾽ ἀκολούθου τὴν ζωὴν τοῦ τεχθέντος προαγορεύουσι· τὸν χρόνον, τὸν τρόπον, τὰ τῶν ἡθῶν ἰδιώματα, τὰς κινδυνώδεις περιστάσεις, γάμους καὶ παιδοποιίας καὶ ἀξιωμάτων ἐπιτυχίας, ἣ καὶ τὸ ἕμπαλιν, ἀπαιδίας καὶ νόσους, καὶ ἀτιμίας, καὶ βραχύτητα βίου, καὶ τὰ ἐκ πενίας κακά ; Τούτων οὖν δι᾽ καὶ τῇ ἐχδάσει τῆς ἀληθείας μαρτυρηθείσης· τίς ἔτι σοι λόγος ἐστὶν ἀπιστοῦντι τῇ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκῃ ; Ἐγὼ δὲ τῶν τοιούτων προῤῥήδεων τὰς αἰτίας μικρὸν ὕστερον εἰποὼν ζητήσειν, ἠρόμην· πότερον ἄλογός ἐστι καὶ συντυχιχὴ τῶν τοιούτων ἐχῥάσεων ἡ αἰτία, ἢ τινα καὶ λόγον τῇ παρατηρήσει ταύτῃ συνεφευρίσχουσιν, ὡς μὴ ἔξω τοῦ εἰκότος γενέσθας τὸ γινόμενον. Καὶ μάλα μέν τοι, φησὶ, καὶ λόγος ἔπεστι τοῖς γινομένοις. Ὅταν γὰρ ἂκ τῆς ποιᾶς τῶν κατὰ τὰ ἄστρα ποιοτήτων συμπτώσεως τοιάδε κρᾶσις σώματος τῷ τιχτομένῳ συστῇ, ὁ κατειληφὼς δι᾽ ἀχριδείας τῶν οὐρανίων τὴν θεωρίαν, καὶ τὸ συστήσεσθαι τήνδε τὴν κρᾶσιν περὶ τὸν τεχθέντα προχατενόησε, καὶ τὸ δύνασθαι μέχρι τοῦδε τοῦ μέτρον τὴν ζωὴν ἐξαρχέσαι πλείονος μὲν, ἐπὶ τῆς ἐῤῥωμενεστέρας, ἐλάττονος δὲ πάλιν, ἐπὶ τῆς νοσωδεστέρας τοῦ σώματος κράσεως. Ἐγὼ δὲ τοῖς ῥηθεῖσιν ἐπιγελάσας, ᾿Ἐλελήθεις ἡμᾶς, πρὸς αὐτὸν εἴπον, Γαληνοῦ καὶ Ἱπποκράτους καὶ τῶν τοιούτων ἐγγόνους εἶναι τὰς εἱμαρμένας δοξάζων. Ἐπεὶ κἀκεῖνοι χαίρειν ἀφέντες τὴν τῶν ἄστρων κχίνῆσιν, ἐκ τοῦ ὑποκει μένου στοχαστικῶς τὸ μέλλον προαγορεύουσιν.·Ὅταν ὀφθαλμοὶ κοῖλοι καὶ χρόταφοι δέρματι, τὸν θάνατον προμηνύωσι. Πολλοῖς δὲ, εἶπον, νοσωδέστερον διακειμένοι; τὰ σώματα, καὶ ὅσον οὐδέπω προσδοκωμένοις τεθνήξεσθαι, πρὸς τὸ ἔμπαλιν ἐξ ἰατρικῆς ἀνεχλώσθη τῆ; τοιαύτης εἱμαρμένης τὰ νήματα· οἷον δὴ καὶ τὸν παιδοτρίδην Ἡρώδικον Πλάτωνος ἱστόρησε λόγος, ὅτι διὰ γυμναστικῆς ἐμπειρίας, εἰς παντελῇ μὲν ὑγείαν, ἐπιθανατίου τοῦ νοσήματος ὄντος, ἐπαναγαγεῖν τὸ σῶμα οὐκ οἷός τε ἦν᾽ ἀεὶ δὲ τὸν θάνατον παρόντα ὃ: ἐπινοίας ὑπεῤτιο θέμενος, οὐχὶ ζωῆς ἀσφάλειαν, ἀλλὰ θανάτου παράτασιν ἑαυτῷ παρεσκεύαζεν. Ὅθεν καὶ εἰς γῆρας διήρκεσε, μακρῷ θανάτῳ τὸ μὴ ἀποθανεῖν σοφισάμενος. Οὐκοῦν οὐδὲ κατὰ τοῦτον τὸν λόγον ἀῤῥαγὴς ὑμῖν ἢ εἱμαρμένη χαταλαμδάνεται, εἴπερ εὑρίσκεταί τις πέχνη τὴν ἀνάγκην ἐχλύουσα. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐδὲν, φησὶν, ὁ τοιοῦτος λόγος τὴν ἐκ τῶν προῤῥήσεων περὶ τῆς εἷμαρμένης ἀπόδειξιν ἀναλύει. Δυνατὸν γὰρ ἂν γένοιτο καὶ τοῦτο προμηνυθῆναι παρὰ τοῦ δι᾽ ἀχριδείας εἐσχεμμένου τῶν οὐρανίων τὴν κίνησιν· ὥστε τῷ μὲν ἀραρότως, τῷ δὲ ἀμφίθδολον προμηνυθῆναι τὸν θάνατον. Ἐγὼ δὲ, Οὐκ ὕτως, εἶπον, ὁ τῆς ἀνάγκης διισχυρίζεται λόγος· ἄλλης γὰρ τοῦ ἐνδεχομένου ὁπότερον ἂν τύχῃ γενέσθαι, καὶ ἄλλος τοῦ ἀμεταθέτου ὁ λόγος, ὃν οὖκ ἔστιν ἐπὶ τῶν ἐνδεχομένων λαδεῖν· ἀλλ᾽ ἣ τοῦτο πάντως, ἢ τὸ ἕτερον· τὸ δὲ πρὸς ἀμφοτέρας τὰς ἐχδάσεις ταῖς ἐλπίσιν ἐπικραδαίνεσθαι, πόῤῥω τῶν τῆς ἀνάγκης λόγων ἐστί· πλὴν τοῦτό φημι πρὸς αὐτὸν, Πόθεν οἴεται τὸ πιστὸν ἔχειν τῶν ἀποδησομένων τὴν πρόῤῥησιν; Ὁ δὲ, Πολλάκις, φησὶ, διἐξιόντος ἀκούσας, ἔτι καὶ νῦν περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν ἐρωτᾷς, ὅτι τινές εἰσιν ἰδιάζουσαι δυνάμεις τῶν ἄστρων· ἀειχένητον τῆς φορᾶς, μυρίας ἐκ τῆς ποιᾶς αὐτῶν συμπλοκῆς, τὰς τῶν δυνάμεων διαφορὰς ἐργάζεται ;
Tauta de mou diexiontos, kai dia tōn toioutōn noēmatōn pros to atopon ton logon echdallontos, epichopsas metaxy dia kataphoras proïonta ton logon ho prosdialegomenos moi philosophos, Ti machę̄, phēsi, tę̄ energeią ? ti de ouk hepę̄ tois dia tōn arithmōn paratetērēchos: tēn tōn holōn alētheian, hois ei pros achrideian hē hōra lēphtheiē tēs tou apochyēthentos gengēseōs, pasan di᾽ akolouthou tēn zōēn tou techthentos proagoreuousi; ton chronon, ton tropon, ta tōn hēthōn idiōmata, tas kindynōdeis peristaseis, gamous kai paidopoiias kai axiōmatōn epitychias, hē kai to hempalin, apaidias kai nosous, kai atimias, kai brachytēta biou, kai ta ek penias kaka ? Toutōn oun di᾽ kai tę̄ echdasei tēs alētheias martyrētheisēs; tis eti soi logos estin apistounti tę̄ tēs heimarmenēs anankę̄ ? Egō de tōn toioutōn prorrhēdeōn tas aitias mikron hysteron eipoōn zētēsein, ēromēn; poteron alogos esti kai syntychichē tōn toioutōn echrhaseōn hē aitia, ē tina kai logon tę̄ paratērēsei tautę̄ synepheurischousin, hōs mē exō tou eikotos genesthas to ginomenon. Kai mala men toi, phēsi, kai logos epesti tois ginomenois. Hotan gar ak tēs poias tōn kata ta astra poiotētōn symptōseōs toiade krasis sōmatos tǭ tichtomenǭ systę̄, ho kateilēphōs di᾽ achrideias tōn ouraniōn tēn theōrian, kai to systēsesthai tēnde tēn krasin peri ton techthenta prochatenoēse, kai to dynasthai mechri toude tou metron tēn zōēn exarchesai pleionos men, epi tēs errhōmenesteras, elattonos de palin, epi tēs nosōdesteras tou sōmatos kraseōs. Egō de tois rhētheisin epigelasas, ᾿Elelētheis hēmas, pros auton eipon, Galēnou kai Hippokratous kai tōn toioutōn engonous einai tas heimarmenas doxazōn. Epei kakeinoi chairein aphentes tēn tōn astrōn kchinēsin, ek tou hypokei menou stochastikōs to mellon proagoreuousin.;Hotan ophthalmoi koiloi kai chrotaphoi dermati, ton thanaton promēnyōsi. Pollois de, eipon, nosōdesteron diakeimenoi? ta sōmata, kai hoson oudepō prosdokōmenois tethnēxesthai, pros to empalin ex iatrikēs anechlōsthē tē? toiautēs heimarmenēs ta nēmata; hoion dē kai ton paidotridēn Hērōdikon Platōnos historēse logos, hoti dia gymnastikēs empeirias, eis pantelę̄ men hygeian, epithanatiou tou nosēmatos ontos, epanagagein to sōma ouk hoios te ēn᾽ aei de ton thanaton paronta ho: epinoias hypertio themenos, ouchi zōēs asphaleian, alla thanatou paratasin heautǭ pareskeuazen. Hothen kai eis gēras diērkese, makrǭ thanatǭ to mē apothanein sophisamenos. Oukoun oude kata touton ton logon arrhagēs hymin ē heimarmenē chatalamdanetai, eiper heurisketai tis pechnē tēn anankēn echlyousa. ᾿All᾽ ouden, phēsin, ho toioutos logos tēn ek tōn prorrhēseōn peri tēs heimarmenēs apodeixin analyei. Dynaton gar an genoito kai touto promēnythēnai para tou di᾽ achrideias eeschemmenou tōn ouraniōn tēn kinēsin; hōste tǭ men ararotōs, tǭ de amphithdolon promēnythēnai ton thanaton. Egō de, Ouk hytōs, eipon, ho tēs anankēs diischyrizetai logos; allēs gar tou endechomenou hopoteron an tychę̄ genesthai, kai allos tou ametathetou ho logos, hon ouk estin epi tōn endechomenōn ladein; all᾽ hē touto pantōs, ē to heteron; to de pros amphoteras tas echdaseis tais elpisin epikradainesthai, porrhō tōn tēs anankēs logōn esti; plēn touto phēmi pros auton, Pothen oietai to piston echein tōn apodēsomenōn tēn prorrhēsin? Ho de, Pollakis, phēsi, diexiontos akousas, eti kai nyn peri tōn autōn erōtąs, hoti tines eisin idiazousai dynameis tōn astrōn; aeichenēton tēs phoras, myrias ek tēs poias autōn symplokēs, tas tōn dynameōn diaphoras ergazetai ?
As I was going through these things and driving the argument by such thoughts to absurdity, the philosopher who was talking with me cut short the argument as it was going on with a rush, and said: "Why do you fight against the evidence? Why do you not follow those who have observed the truth of the universe through numbers? If the hour of the birth of the one brought forth is taken exactly, they foretell in sequence the whole life of the one born: the time, the manner, the peculiarities of character, the dangerous circumstances, marriages and the begetting of children and the gaining of ranks, or again the opposite, childlessness and diseases and dishonours and shortness of life and the evils of poverty. Since the truth of these has been testified [by experience] and by the outcome, what argument do you still have for disbelieving the necessity of fate?"
I said I would inquire into the causes of such predictions a little later, and asked whether the cause of such outcomes is irrational and a matter of chance, or whether they find some reason too along with this observation, so that what happens does not happen beyond what is likely. "Very much so," he says; "there is reason in what happens. For when from the particular coincidence of the qualities in the stars such a constitution of body is formed in the one born, the one who has grasped exactly the contemplation of the heavenly things has foreseen both that this constitution would be formed in the child and that life could last to this measure, longer for the more robust constitution of body, and shorter again for the more sickly."
I laughed at what was said and told him: "You had escaped our notice, holding the fates to be the offspring of Galen and Hippocrates and the like. For they too, letting the motion of the stars go, foretell the future by conjecture from the subject: when the eyes are hollow and the temples [shrunk to the] skin, they foretell death. But for many," I said, "who were in a sickly state of body and were expected to die at any moment, the threads of such a fate have been spun back the other way by medicine; as Plato's account relates of the trainer Herodicus, that through his experience of gymnastics he was not able to restore his body to complete health, since his disease was mortal; but, always postponing by his devices the death that was at hand, he provided for himself not security of life but a prolonging of death. So he lasted even into old age, having contrived by a long death not to die. So by this argument too fate is not grasped by you as unbreakable, if some art is found that loosens the necessity."
"But," he says, "such an argument does nothing to undo the proof about fate from the predictions. For this too could be foretold by one who has examined the motion of the heavenly bodies exactly: so that to one death is foretold as certain, to another as doubtful." I said: "That is not how the argument of necessity maintains it. For the account of what may happen either way is one thing, and the account of the unchangeable another, which cannot be taken in matters that may happen either way; but either this certainly, or the other. To waver in one's hopes between both outcomes is far from the arguments of necessity." But I said this to him: "From where does he think the prediction of what will come about gets its credibility?" And he said: "Though you have often heard me go through it, you still ask about the same things now: that there are certain particular powers of the stars; and [does not] the ever-moving character of their course, through their particular interweaving, work countless differences of powers?"
Notes and citation
Summary: The philosopher appeals to the success of horoscopes; Gregory replies that predictions of lifespan from bodily constitution are the physicians' conjectures, not fate, and that medicine can reverse them, as with Herodicus in Plato, and that a prediction of what may go either way is no proof of necessity.
- Re-read against the Greek. Herodicus the trainer, who by his regimen "prolonged his death" into old age, is from Plato, Republic 406a–b. Galen and Hippocrates are named as physicians who predict from symptoms (the hollow eyes and shrunken temples are the Hippocratic facies, Prognostic 2). Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the line): τῶν τοιούτων Ὁ ΗΐβΒ νοημάτων → τῶν τοιούτων νοημάτων.
Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Resp. 406a–b (Plato (works); allusion); Hippocrates, Prog. 2 (Hippocrates, Hippocratic Corpus; allusion); Galen (Galen (works); echo)
Topics: Magic, divination, and astrology, Providence
Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 7 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/7). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/7
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.
Chapter 8
8PG 45
Ὁ τοίνυν παραχθεὶς ἐπὶ τὸν βίον διὰ γενέσεως, κατὰ τὴν συμπεσοῦσαν αὐτῷ τοῦ χρόνου μοῖραν, τὴν ὑπὸ ἄπορ ἂν ἡ δύναμις τῆς ὥρας ἐκείνης ἔχουσα καταληφθῇ, ταῦτα καὶ περὶ τὸν βίον κατ᾽ ἀνάγκην ἕξει, καὶ ἄλλως οὐκ ἔχει. Τί οὖν, εἶπον, αἱ κατὰ πόλεμον συμφοραὶ, καὶ οἱ σεισμοὶ, καὶ τῶν πόλεων αἱ χαταπτώσεις, καὶ τὰ αὔτανδρα τῶν μυριοφόρων ὀλχάδων ναυάγια, ἐπικλύσεις, καὶ ἐκπυρώσεις, καὶ χάσματα, καὶ ὅσα τοιαῦτα πανωλεθρίας εἴδη ; Πῶς ταῦτα διασώσει τὸν τῆς προῤῥήσεως λόγον ; Πόσα ἐν τοῖς προτέροις, πόσα δὲ καὶ ἐν τοῖς καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς χρόνοις ὁ βίος ἔδειξε πάθη; τὸν ἐπὶ Νῶε κατακλυσμὸν, καὶ τὴν Σοδόμων ἐχεαύρωσιν ; ἣ τὸν Αἰγύπτιον στρατὸν ὑποὀρύχιον ἐν τῇ Ἐρυθρᾷ θαλάσσῃ γενόμενον ; ἣ τὰς μετὰ ταῦτα τῶν ἀλλοφύλων σφαγὰς, τὰς μυρίας ἐχείγας ἀνδροκτασίας ; ἢ τὸν αὐτόματον ἐν ὀλίγῳ τῷ χρόνῳ θάνατον τοῦ Ἰσραηλίτου λαοῦ ἐν πολλαῖς μυ; ἣ τὰς ἑκατὸν ὀγδοήκοντα πέντε χιλιάδας τῶν ᾿Ασσυρίων, μιᾷ χρόνου ῥοπῇ νεχρωθείσας, τῶν τε ἐφεξῆς κακῶν τὰς ἱστορίας, ἐν Μηδιχαῖς τε καὶ ʼ᾿Ἑλληνικαῖς συμφοραῖς συμπεσούσας, ἐν ναυμαχίαις τε καὶ πεζομαχίαις μεγάλαις, καὶ πάντα ὅσα τοιαῦτα, ὧν ἡ μνήμη τοῖς ἐφεξῆς διδάσκαλος γίνεται; Κἂν ταῦτα παρέλθωμεν πάντα, ἱκανὰ γένοιτο πρὸς τὴν τῶν λεγομένων μαρτυρίαν, καὶ ὅσα ὁ καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς ἱστόρησε βίος. Τίς γὰρ οὐκ οἷδε τὴν μεγάλην τῆς Βιθυνίας μητρόπολιν ταῖς ἐξεχούσαις τῶν πόλεων ἐναρίθμιον; τίς ἀγνοεῖ τὴν πλατεῖαν καὶ εὐρύχωρον θΘράχην, πῶς τὴν μὲν ὁ πόλεμος, τὴν δὲ σεισμὸς μετὰ τοῦ πυρὸς ἐν ἀκαρεῖ τοῦ χρόνου ἄρδην ἐξέτριψε ; Πόσοι παῖδες ἐχεῖ, πόσα νήπια; οἱ μέσως ἔχοντες, παρήλιχες, ἐλεύθεροέ τε καὶ δοῦλοι, κρατοῦντες καὶ ὑποχείριοι, πλούσιοι, πένητες, ἐῤῥωμένοι, νοσηλευόμενοι, πάντες ἐν μιᾷ καιροῦ ῥοπῇ χατεφθάρησαν. Πάντας ἐπίσης τὸ πῦρ ἐνεμήθη· πᾶσιν οἱ οἶκοι τάφοι ἐγένοντο. Ποῦ αἱ τῶν ἄστρων ἐχεένων διαπλοχαὶ, αἱ τὰς διαφορὰς τῶν βίων τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ὁρίζουσαι ; ἾΑρα πᾶσιν ἐκείνοις μία τῶν ἄστρων σύνοδος τὰς ὠδῖνας τῶν γενέσεων ἔλυσε, καὶ πᾶσιν ὁ Καρκῖνος ὡροσχοπῶν τὴν μοῖραν ἐπέθαλε: Καὶ μὴν αἱ μυρίαι τῶν ἡλικιῶν τε καὶ ἀξιωμάτων διαφοραὶ, τὸ μὴ πάντας ἀλλήλοις κατὰ ταυτὸν τῇ γενέσει συνενεχθῆναι διαμαρτύρονται. Εἰ οὖν ὁ μὲν τῆς γενέσεως χρόνος ἑκάστῳ διάφορος, ἡ δὲ τῶν συμφορῶν ταυτότης οὐδε μίαν παραλλαγὴν ἐκ τῆς κατὰ τὴν γένεσιν αἰτίας ἐδέξατο· ἄρα καὶ διὰ τούτων τὸ περὶ τὴν πρόῤῥησιν καὶ ἀσύστατον διελέγχεται. ᾿ἈΑλλ᾽ ἔστι, φησὶ, καὶ νεὼς, καὶ πόλεως, καὶ ἔθνους, παντὸς εἱμαρμένη, κατὰ τὴν πρώτην θέσιν τὸ ἐφεξῆς ἐπιχλώθουσα, καὶ τῷ περιέχοντι τὰ μένα κατ᾽ ἀνάγκην συνδιατίθεται. Τίς οὖν ἡ τῆς ναυπηγίας Εἰλήθυια; Τίς δὲ ὁ τῆς πόλεως τόκος ; Ἐκ ποίας δὲ ἀρχῆς τοῦ ἔθνους καθορῶμεν τὴν γένεσιν; Τέμνει ὁ δρυοτόμος τὴν ὕλην, ὀμπορεύεται ταύτὴν ὁ τὸ ξύλον ἐμπορενόμενος, χρημάτων ὁ γὸς ὕλην ὠνεῖται, μερίζει τῇ ἐργασίᾳ τὴν τέχνην. Ὁ μὲν γάρ τις διαιρεῖ τὸ ξύλον εἰς σανίδας τῷ πρίονι· ὁ δὲ, τὴν τρόπιν τεκταίνεται· ἕτερος, περὶ τὰ ὑποζώματα τὴν σπουδὴν τῆς κατασχενυῆς ἔχει, ἄλλος τὴν πρώραν, καὶ ἄλλος τὴν πρύμναν ἐχορυφώσατο. Τούτῳ τοῦ ἱστοῦ μέλει, καὶ τῆς κεραίας τῷ ἑτέρῳ· χυδερνήτῃ διὰ φροντίδος γίνονται· ἄλλοι τὰ καταστρώματα καὶ τὴν ὀθόνην ἐνεργοῦσιν· ἄλλοι, καὶ τὸν ἐκ τῆς ζωγραφίας καλλωπισμὸν ἐπάγουσιν. Ἕτεροί διαχρίοντες τῇ πίσσῃ τὰς ἁρμονίας, καὶ τὸν ἐν τῷ μέσῳ χκατασχευάζοντες. Πάντως οὐ κατὰ αὐτὸν ἕκαστος τὸ καθ᾽ ἑαυτὸν ἐνεργοῦσιν, ἀλλ᾽ ὁ μὲν, νῦν· οἱ δὲ, μετ᾽ ὀλίγον· καὶ τῷ μὲν ἤδη πέρας τὸ σπουδαζόμενον ἔσχεν ὁ δὲ, ἐν τῷ ἐνεργεῖν καθ- ορᾶται. Πότε τοίνυν τῇ νηὶ τὴν εἱμαρμένην οἱ σοφοὶ ἐπιστήσουσιν; Ὃτε ὠνεῖται τὸ ξύλον, ἣ ὅτε τέμνςται, ἣ ὅτε μεταχειρίζεται, ἣ ὅτε ἐπάγει τὸν σίδηρον, ἥ ὅτε συναρμόζει τοῖς γόμφοις; Πολλῶν γὰρ καὶ διαφόρων ὄντων τῶν κατὰ τὴν ναυπηγίαν σπουδαζομένων, καὶ οὐ κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν ἀλλήλοις χρόνον συνἱσταμένων, ποῖον ἀναθήσει χρόνον τῇ δἱμαρμένῃ, ἵνα τὴν ἀνάγκην τῆς καταδύσεως δεξαμένη, συνδιαφθεέρῃ.
Ho toinyn parachtheis epi ton bion dia geneseōs, kata tēn sympesousan autǭ tou chronou moiran, tēn hypo apor an hē dynamis tēs hōras ekeinēs echousa katalēphthę̄, tauta kai peri ton bion kat᾽ anankēn hexei, kai allōs ouk echei. Ti oun, eipon, hai kata polemon symphorai, kai hoi seismoi, kai tōn poleōn hai chataptōseis, kai ta autandra tōn myriophorōn olchadōn nauagia, epiklyseis, kai ekpyrōseis, kai chasmata, kai hosa toiauta panōlethrias eidē ? Pōs tauta diasōsei ton tēs prorrhēseōs logon ? Posa en tois proterois, posa de kai en tois kath᾽ hēmas chronois ho bios edeixe pathē? ton epi Nōe kataklysmon, kai tēn Sodomōn echeaurōsin ? hē ton Aigyption straton hypoorychion en tę̄ Erythrą thalassę̄ genomenon ? hē tas meta tauta tōn allophylōn sphagas, tas myrias echeigas androktasias ? ē ton automaton en oligǭ tǭ chronǭ thanaton tou Israēlitou laou en pollais my? hē tas hekaton ogdoēkonta pente chiliadas tōn ᾿Assyriōn, mią chronou rhopę̄ nechrōtheisas, tōn te ephexēs kakōn tas historias, en Mēdichais te kai ʼ᾿Hellēnikais symphorais sympesousas, en naumachiais te kai pezomachiais megalais, kai panta hosa toiauta, hōn hē mnēmē tois ephexēs didaskalos ginetai? Kan tauta parelthōmen panta, hikana genoito pros tēn tōn legomenōn martyrian, kai hosa ho kath᾽ hēmas historēse bios. Tis gar ouk hoide tēn megalēn tēs Bithynias mētropolin tais exechousais tōn poleōn enarithmion? tis agnoei tēn plateian kai eurychōron thThrachēn, pōs tēn men ho polemos, tēn de seismos meta tou pyros en akarei tou chronou ardēn exetripse ? Posoi paides echei, posa nēpia? hoi mesōs echontes, parēliches, eleutheroe te kai douloi, kratountes kai hypocheirioi, plousioi, penētes, errhōmenoi, nosēleuomenoi, pantes en mią kairou rhopę̄ chatephtharēsan. Pantas episēs to pyr enemēthē; pasin hoi oikoi taphoi egenonto. Pou hai tōn astrōn echeenōn diaplochai, hai tas diaphoras tōn biōn tois anthrōpois horizousai ? IAra pasin ekeinois mia tōn astrōn synodos tas ōdinas tōn geneseōn elyse, kai pasin ho Karkinos hōroschopōn tēn moiran epethale: Kai mēn hai myriai tōn hēlikiōn te kai axiōmatōn diaphorai, to mē pantas allēlois kata tauton tę̄ genesei synenechthēnai diamartyrontai. Ei oun ho men tēs geneseōs chronos hekastǭ diaphoros, hē de tōn symphorōn tautotēs oude mian parallagēn ek tēs kata tēn genesin aitias edexato; ara kai dia toutōn to peri tēn prorrhēsin kai asystaton dielenchetai. ᾿AAll᾽ esti, phēsi, kai neōs, kai poleōs, kai ethnous, pantos heimarmenē, kata tēn prōtēn thesin to ephexēs epichlōthousa, kai tǭ periechonti ta mena kat᾽ anankēn syndiatithetai. Tis oun hē tēs naupēgias Eilēthuia? Tis de ho tēs poleōs tokos ? Ek poias de archēs tou ethnous kathorōmen tēn genesin? Temnei ho dryotomos tēn hylēn, omporeuetai tautēn ho to xylon emporenomenos, chrēmatōn ho gos hylēn ōneitai, merizei tę̄ ergasią tēn technēn. Ho men gar tis diairei to xylon eis sanidas tǭ prioni; ho de, tēn tropin tektainetai; heteros, peri ta hypozōmata tēn spoudēn tēs kataschenyēs echei, allos tēn prōran, kai allos tēn prymnan echoryphōsato. Toutǭ tou histou melei, kai tēs keraias tǭ heterǭ; chydernētę̄ dia phrontidos ginontai; alloi ta katastrōmata kai tēn othonēn energousin; alloi, kai ton ek tēs zōgraphias kallōpismon epagousin. Heteroi diachriontes tę̄ pissę̄ tas harmonias, kai ton en tǭ mesǭ chkatascheuazontes. Pantōs ou kata auton hekastos to kath᾽ heauton energousin, all᾽ ho men, nyn; hoi de, met᾽ oligon; kai tǭ men ēdē peras to spoudazomenon eschen ho de, en tǭ energein kath- oratai. Pote toinyn tę̄ nēi tēn heimarmenēn hoi sophoi epistēsousin? Hote ōneitai to xylon, hē hote temnstai, hē hote metacheirizetai, hē hote epagei ton sidēron, hē hote synarmozei tois gomphois? Pollōn gar kai diaphorōn ontōn tōn kata tēn naupēgian spoudazomenōn, kai ou kata ton auton allēlois chronon synistamenōn, poion anathēsei chronon tę̄ dimarmenę̄, hina tēn anankēn tēs katadyseōs dexamenē, syndiaphtheerę̄.
"So the one brought into life by birth, according to the portion of time that met him, [has in life] of necessity whatever the power of that hour is grasped as holding, and has it in no other way."
"What, then," I said, "of the calamities in war, and earthquakes, and the falls of cities, and the shipwrecks, crew and all, of merchant ships carrying ten thousand measures, floods and conflagrations and chasms, and all such kinds of utter destruction? How will these save the account of prediction? How many disasters did life show in earlier times, and how many in our own? The flood in Noah's time, and the burning of Sodom? Or the Egyptian army sunk under the Red Sea? Or after these the slaughters of the foreigners, those countless killings of men? Or the death that came of itself in a short time on the Israelite people in many tens of thousands? Or the hundred and eighty-five thousand of the Assyrians, put to death in one moment of time, and the histories of the evils that followed, which befell in the Median and Greek calamities, in great sea battles and land battles, and all such things, whose memory becomes a teacher for those who come after? And even if we pass over all these, what our own life has recorded would be enough to testify to what is said. For who does not know the great metropolis of Bithynia, counted among the most eminent cities? Who is ignorant of broad and spacious Thrace, how war utterly destroyed the one, and earthquake with fire the other, in an instant of time? How many children were there, how many infants? Those of middle age, the old, free and slaves, rulers and subjects, rich, poor, healthy, sick: all were destroyed in one turn of time. The fire fed on all alike; for all, their houses became tombs. Where are those interweavings of the stars that define the differences of men's lives? Did one conjunction of the stars loose the birth pangs for all those, and did the Crab, rising at the hour, lay the portion on all? Yet the countless differences of age and rank testify that not all met birth at the same time as one another. If, then, the time of birth was different for each, while the sameness of the calamities admitted no variation from the cause in the birth, then by this too the doctrine of prediction is convicted of having no standing."
"But," he says, "there is a fate also of a ship and of a city and of a nation and of everything, spinning what follows according to the first setting, and the things contained are of necessity disposed together with what contains them."
"What, then, is the birth goddess of shipbuilding? What is the birth of a city? From what beginning do we see the coming-to-be of a nation? The woodcutter cuts the timber; the timber merchant trades in it; the [shipwright] buys the material with money, and divides the art by the work. One cuts the wood into planks with the saw; another builds the keel; another spends the effort of the construction on the bracing cables; another finishes off the prow, and another the stern. One cares for the mast, another for the yard; [the rudders] are the concern of the helmsman; others make the decking and the sail-cloth; others add the adornment of painting; others smear the joints with pitch and make the [hold] in the middle. Surely they do not each do their own work at the same time, but one now, others a little later; for one the work has already reached its end, while another is seen at work. When, then, will the wise set fate over the ship? When the wood is bought, or when it is cut, or when it is handled, or when the iron is put to it, or when it is fitted together with the bolts? Since the tasks in shipbuilding are many and different and do not come about at the same time as one another, what time will he assign to fate, so that, having received the necessity of sinking, it may destroy along
Gen 7:17–23 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 19:24–25 (allusion, high confidence) · Exod 14:28 (allusion, high confidence) · 2 Sam 24:15 (allusion, medium confidence) · 2 Kgs 19:35 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Mass disasters, biblical (the flood, Sodom, the Red Sea, the Assyrians) and recent (the destruction of Nicomedia and of Thrace), kill people of every age and rank together, which refutes fate by birth; and fate cannot be assigned to a ship, whose building happens in many stages at different times.
- Re-read against the Greek. "The great metropolis of Bithynia" is Nicomedia, destroyed by earthquake and fire in 358; the war in Thrace is probably the Gothic war of 376–378. Quotations and allusions: Gen 7; Gen 19:24–25; Exod 14:28; 2 Sam 24:15 (probably the plague, "death of itself in a short time"); 2 Kgs 19:35. Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the line; Latin column leaked into the word καταστρώματα): ἔθνους ἃ εδῖ, ἰπαυΐί, παντὸς → ἔθνους, παντὸς; τὰ κατα- Ὁ εἰΐδπι ρἱοιυγὶΒ στρώματα → τὰ καταστρώματα; πέρας οοιῃριηρυπίυγ; ΝΑ τὸ σπουδαζόμενον → πέρας τὸ σπουδαζόμενον.
Topics: Magic, divination, and astrology, Providence
Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 8 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/8). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/8
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.
Chapter 9
9PG 45
μεθ᾽ δαυτῆς τοὺς ἐμπλέοντας ; Τί δ᾽ ἂν εἴποις περὶ τῶν πόλεων ; Πότε αὐτῆς κρατεῖν τὴν εἱμαρμένην οἴονται ; Ὅτε βουλή τις τοῦ οἰχισμοῦ τοῖς σπουδάζουσι γίνεται; Ὁπότο τοῦ τόπου τὴν εὐφυῖαν ἐπιλογίζονται, ἣ ὅτε τὸ σχῆμα χαταχαράσσουσιν, ἣ ὅταν ἐπάγωσιν ἤδη τῇ ἐργασίᾳ τὸν σίδηρον, ἣ τοὺς λίθους τὰς ὕλας; Τί τούτων ἐστὶν ἀρχὴ τῆς συστάσεως ; Τὶ δὲ ἂν εἴποις περὶ τοῦ ἔθνους, ὃ ταῖς κατὰ πόλεμον συμφοραῖς ἐξετρίδη ; Τίς ἣ πόθεν κατ᾽ αὐτῶν τὴν ἀρχὴν λαδοῦσα ἣ μοῖρα, τοὺς μὲν χατεφόνευσε, τοὺς δὲ δι᾽ αἰχμαλωσίας κατἐδουλώσατο; Πῶς ᾿Αννίδας ἣ Καῖσαρ, ἣ καὶ ὁ ἐκ Μακεδονίας ᾿Αλέξανδρος παρ᾽ οἷς ἂν ἐγένοντο στρατενόμενοι, πᾶσιν ὁμοτιμίαν εἱμαρμένης εἰργάσαντο, τοσοῦτον τῆς ἀνάγκης ἐκείνης ὑπερισχύοντες, ὡς τοῖς αὐτοῖς τοῦ κακοῦ μέτροις πάντα συνάγεσθαι ; ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τὸ οἴεσθαι τὰς τῶν πόλεων εἱμαρμένας, ἐν τοῖς τῶν σεισμῶν χαταπτώμασι τὰς συναστρίας ποιεῖν, ὡς ἕξω τοῦ εἰκότος ὁ λόγος ἐστὶν, ἐντεῦθεν ἄν τις κατίδοι· Τίς οὐκ οἶδεν ὅτι τὰ τοιαῦτα πάθη τῆς γῆς, οὐ μόνον ἐν τοῖς οἰχουμένοις τόποις, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐν τοῖς ἀοιχήτοις συνίσταται; Εἴ τις τὸ τῶν Σαγγαγῶν ὄρος τὸ πρὸς τοῖς ὁρίοις τῶν Βιθυνῶν κείμενον, ἣ τῇ καθ᾽ ἑαυτὸν ἔγνω πείρᾳ ἢ ἐκ διηγήματο; ἤκουσεν, εὑρήσει τὴν τοῦ λόγου ἀλήθειαν, ὅτι κατ᾽ αὐτὰς τῆς ὁδοῦ φοδερὸν θέαμα τοῖς διοδεύουσι γίνεται. Τοιαῦτα καὶ περὶ τὰς χώρα: τῶν Παφλαγόνων τὰ πάϑη· ἔστι δὲ ὅπου καὶ οἰκήσεις ἀνθρώπων τοῖς χάσμασι τούτοις πολλαχῇ δὲ τῶν οἰκητόρων γυμνὸς ὁ χῶρος ἐν τῷ τοιούτῳ δείκνυται πάθει. Καὶ τί χρὴ καθ᾽ ἕκαστον Κυπρίους, καὶ Πισίδας καὶ ᾿Αχαιούς· ἐν οἷς πολλὰ τῶν λεγομένων ἐστὶ τεκμήρια; ᾿ΔΑλλ᾽ οὗ χάριν τῶν εἰρημένων ἐμνήσθημεν, ὅτι πάντα τὰ τοιαδτα, γῆς ἐστι πάθη. Εἰ μὲν οὖν συνʼἐχθείη καὶ οἴκησιν ἀνθρώπων εὑρεθῆναι τῷ τόπῳ, κατὰ πᾶσαν ἀνάγκην κἀκεῖνοι τοῦ κατὰ τὸν τόπον δυσεἰ δὲ ἐλεύθερος εἴη τῶν οἰκητόρων, οὐδεμίαν ἀνθρώποις; ἤνεγκε βλάδην περὶ τὸν τόπον δυστύχημα. Τίς οὖν ἡ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκη, ἐπίσης τῶν τε οἰχουμένων καὶ τῶν ἀοικήτων τὸ τοιοῦτον πάθος ὑπομενόντων ; Εἰ μὲν γὰρ εἶχον ἀποδεικνύειν, κατὰ μέρη τινὰ καὶ μὴ κατὰ τὸ ἀθρόον πᾶσαν κατεσκευάσθαι τὴν γῆν, εἶχεν ἂν αὐτοῖς ἴσως καιρὸν ἡ ματαιολογία· τῷδε τῷ μέρει τῆς γῆς χτιζομένης, τῆσδε τῶν ἄστρων συμπλοκῆς ἐφαρμοσθείσης, ἢ τοῦτο ἣ ἐκεῖνο γενέσθαι κατ᾽ ἀνάγκην. ᾿Επεὶ δὲ πάντα μετ᾽ ἀλλήλων χαταλαμδάνεται, οὐρανὸς, γῆ, θάλαττα, κατὰ δὲ τὸν Μωσέως λόγον, καὶ προτερεύεε ἢ γῇ τῆς τῶν ἄστρων κατασκευῆς καὶ κινήσεως· πῶς πῶν μερικῶν κατὰ τὴν γῆν συμπτωμάτων τὴν αἰτίαν εἰς τὴν τῶν ἄστρων ἀναθήσονται κίνησιν ; Εἰ τοίνυν ὁμόχρονος τοῖς ἄστροις ἡ γῆ. καὶ οὐδεμίαν ἐκεῖθεν οὐδὲ συμπτώσεως οὔτε διαμονῆς αἰτίαν ἐπάγεται εἰ μερικαῖς δέ τισι τόπων περιγραφαῖς τὰ τοιαῦτα ὑφἰσταται πάθη ἄρα οὐκ εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκην, ἀλλά τινα ἑτέραν ἰδιάζουσαν αἰτίαν ἐν τοῖς τοιούτοις συμπτώμασι γίνεσθαι, Ὅταν οὖν πάθῃ τι τοιοῦτον ἡ γῆ, καί τινας τοιαύτας συμφορὰς κατεργάζεται, τῶν οἱσιν οἱ προσκυνοῦντες τὴν εἱμαρμένην, καὶ τὴν τῶν ἄπτρων κίνησιν ἐπιστατεῖν τῶν ὄντων διοριζόμενοι ;
meth᾽ dautēs tous empleontas ? Ti d᾽ an eipois peri tōn poleōn ? Pote autēs kratein tēn heimarmenēn oiontai ? Hote boulē tis tou oichismou tois spoudazousi ginetai? Hopoto tou topou tēn euphuian epilogizontai, hē hote to schēma chatacharassousin, hē hotan epagōsin ēdē tę̄ ergasią ton sidēron, hē tous lithous tas hylas? Ti toutōn estin archē tēs systaseōs ? Ti de an eipois peri tou ethnous, ho tais kata polemon symphorais exetridē ? Tis hē pothen kat᾽ autōn tēn archēn ladousa hē moira, tous men chatephoneuse, tous de di᾽ aichmalōsias katedoulōsato? Pōs ᾿Annidas hē Kaisar, hē kai ho ek Makedonias ᾿Alexandros par᾽ hois an egenonto stratenomenoi, pasin homotimian heimarmenēs eirgasanto, tosouton tēs anankēs ekeinēs hyperischyontes, hōs tois autois tou kakou metrois panta synagesthai ? ᾿Alla mēn to oiesthai tas tōn poleōn heimarmenas, en tois tōn seismōn chataptōmasi tas synastrias poiein, hōs hexō tou eikotos ho logos estin, enteuthen an tis katidoi; Tis ouk oiden hoti ta toiauta pathē tēs gēs, ou monon en tois oichoumenois topois, alla kai en tois aoichētois synistatai? Ei tis to tōn Sangagōn oros to pros tois horiois tōn Bithynōn keimenon, hē tę̄ kath᾽ heauton egnō peirą ē ek diēgēmato? ēkousen, heurēsei tēn tou logou alētheian, hoti kat᾽ autas tēs hodou phoderon theama tois diodeuousi ginetai. Toiauta kai peri tas chōra: tōn Paphlagonōn ta paϑē; esti de hopou kai oikēseis anthrōpōn tois chasmasi toutois pollachę̄ de tōn oikētorōn gymnos ho chōros en tǭ toioutǭ deiknytai pathei. Kai ti chrē kath᾽ hekaston Kyprious, kai Pisidas kai ᾿Achaious; en hois polla tōn legomenōn esti tekmēria? ᾿DAll᾽ hou charin tōn eirēmenōn emnēsthēmen, hoti panta ta toiadta, gēs esti pathē. Ei men oun synʼechtheiē kai oikēsin anthrōpōn heurethēnai tǭ topǭ, kata pasan anankēn kakeinoi tou kata ton topon dysei de eleutheros eiē tōn oikētorōn, oudemian anthrōpois? ēnenke bladēn peri ton topon dystychēma. Tis oun hē tēs heimarmenēs anankē, episēs tōn te oichoumenōn kai tōn aoikētōn to toiouton pathos hypomenontōn ? Ei men gar eichon apodeiknyein, kata merē tina kai mē kata to athroon pasan kateskeuasthai tēn gēn, eichen an autois isōs kairon hē mataiologia; tǭde tǭ merei tēs gēs chtizomenēs, tēsde tōn astrōn symplokēs epharmostheisēs, ē touto hē ekeino genesthai kat᾽ anankēn. ᾿Epei de panta met᾽ allēlōn chatalamdanetai, ouranos, gē, thalatta, kata de ton Mōseōs logon, kai protereuee ē gę̄ tēs tōn astrōn kataskeuēs kai kinēseōs; pōs pōn merikōn kata tēn gēn symptōmatōn tēn aitian eis tēn tōn astrōn anathēsontai kinēsin ? Ei toinyn homochronos tois astrois hē gē. kai oudemian ekeithen oude symptōseōs oute diamonēs aitian epagetai ei merikais de tisi topōn perigraphais ta toiauta hyphistatai pathē ara ouk heimarmenēs anankēn, alla tina heteran idiazousan aitian en tois toioutois symptōmasi ginesthai, Hotan oun pathę̄ ti toiouton hē gē, kai tinas toiautas symphoras katergazetai, tōn hoisin hoi proskynountes tēn heimarmenēn, kai tēn tōn aptrōn kinēsin epistatein tōn ontōn diorizomenoi ?
with itself those who sail in it? And what would you say about cities? When do they think fate takes hold of a city? When some plan of settlement comes to those who are eager for it? When they reckon up the fitness of the place, or when they mark out the plan, or when they now bring iron to the work, or stones and timber? Which of these is the beginning of its constitution? And what would you say of the nation that was destroyed by the calamities of war? Who, or from where, was the portion that took its beginning against them, which slaughtered some and enslaved others through captivity? How did Hannibal or Caesar, or Alexander of Macedon, among those against whom they campaigned, produce an equality of fate for all, so far prevailing over that necessity that all were brought together to the same measures of evil?
That to think the fates of cities make conjunctions of stars in the falls of earthquakes is an argument beyond what is reasonable, one may see from this. Who does not know that such sufferings of the earth occur not only in inhabited places but also in uninhabited ones? If anyone knows by his own experience the mountain of the Sangarians lying on the borders of the Bithynians, or has heard of it from report, he will find the truth of the argument: that along the very road it becomes a fearful sight for travellers. Such are the sufferings around the lands of the Paphlagonians; in some places there are human dwellings by these chasms, but in many the place is shown bare of inhabitants in such a suffering. And why must I [speak] in detail [of the] Cypriots, Pisidians, and Achaeans, among whom there are many proofs of what is said? But we have mentioned these things for this reason, that all such things are sufferings of the earth. If it should happen that there is a human dwelling in the place, of every necessity those too [share in] the misfortune of the place; but if it is free of inhabitants, the misfortune about the place brings no harm to men. What, then, is the necessity of fate, when both inhabited and uninhabited places suffer such a suffering alike?
If they were able to show that the whole earth was made part by part and not all at once, their vain talk might perhaps have had an opening: that when this part of the earth was being created, with this interweaving of the stars fitted to it, this or that of necessity happened. But since all things are grasped together with one another, heaven, earth, sea, and, according to the word of Moses, the earth even comes before the making and movement of the stars, how will they refer the cause of the partial accidents on earth to the movement of the stars? If, then, the earth is of the same age as the stars and draws from there no cause either of falling or of remaining, and if such sufferings occur in particular outlines of places, then it is not a necessity of fate but some other particular cause that comes about in such accidents. When, then, the earth suffers something of the kind and works such calamities, [what will they say], those who worship fate and declare that the movement of the stars presides over beings?
Gen 1:1 (allusion, high confidence) · Gen 1:9–19 (allusion, high confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Neither cities nor nations have a moment of birth to which fate could be tied, and conquerors like Hannibal, Caesar, and Alexander brought one fate on all; earthquakes strike uninhabited places as well, and since Moses says the earth was made with, indeed before, the stars, its local disasters have other causes than the stars.
- Re-read against the Greek. "The mountain of the Sangarians" on the Bithynian border is a region of earthquakes known to Gregory; Paphlagonia, Cyprus, Pisidia, and Achaea are named as places of earthquakes. The earth made before the stars: Gen 1:1, 9–19. Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the line; Latin column leaked into the word αἰτίαν): Τί τούτων ναὶ οοποίδηάϊ νοὶ ροῦἐστὶν → Τί τούτων ἐστὶν; τὴν αἰτία αὶ φυϊάρίαπι τεγτοα εἰς → τὴν αἰτίαν εἰς.
Topics: Magic, divination, and astrology, Providence
Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 9 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/9). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.
Chapter 10
10PG 45
Πῶς ἐχεῖ τὸ νήπιον, τὸ βρέφος, τὸ μειράκιον, ὁ ἀνὴρ, ὁ πατὴρ, ὁ πρεσθύτης, ὁ εὐγενὴς, ὁ εὐπατρίδης, ὁ μισθωτὸς, ὁ δεσμώτης ; Οὔτε τῷ χρόνῳ τῆς γενέσεως, οὔτε διαφορᾷ τινι τῆς ἀξίας εἰς τὴν τῶν κακῶν ὁμοτιμίαν κωλύονται. Ἔτι πρὸς τούτοις· τίς οὐκ οἶδεν ὅτʼ παντὸς ἄγους ἔσχατόν ἐστιν ἡ θυγατρομιξία, καὶ ἀδελφογαμία, καὶ εἰς μητέρας παρανομία ; Τοῦτο τοίνυν εἰ κατά τινα μοίρας ἀνάγκην ἐγίνετο, πάντως ἂν καὶ ἐν τοῖς καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς ἐτολμήθη τόποις· ἐπεὶ δὲ μόνῳ τῷ ἔθνει Περσῶν, καὶ τοῖς τὰ ἐκείνων νόμιμα ὄεδιδαγμένοις, τὸ τοιοῦτον ἄγος τολμᾶται· δῆλον ἐκ τοῦ ἀκολούθου, ὅτι μοῖρα καὶ εἱμαρμένη ἡ ἑκάστου προαίρεσις γίνεται, τὸ δοκοῦν κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν προαιρουμένη. Ἔτι πρὸς τούτοις, ὡς ἂν μηδὲ τὸ τοιοῦτον ἔχοιεν λέγειν, ὅτι κατὰ τὰς ποιὰς περιχλίσεις τῶν τόπων τινες ἄστρων κινήσεις καὶ διὰ τοῦτο, οἱ μὲν μητρογαμοῦσιν, νοῦσι καὶ ἀνθρωποδοροῦσι· τῆς δὲ τῶν ἄστρων τῆς θέσεως ἐκείνοις ἰδιαζόντως ἐπιπιπτούσης, εἰ καὶ πανπάπασι τῶν ἀπαιδεύτων καὶ τῆς τῶν ὄντων θεωρίας ἀνεπισχέπτων ὁ τοιοῦτο; λόγος ἐστὶ, τῶν οἱομένων ὅτι κατὰ τὰς ποιὰς τῆς γῆς περιγραφὰς καὶ ἡ ἄνωθεν αὐτοῖς λῆξις ἐπιτυποῦται· οὕτω γὰρ ἂν εὑρεθείη τὰ γῆϊνα τῶν οὐρανίων ἀρχηγιχώτερα, εἰ κατὰ ταῦτα νομίζοιτο κἀκεῖνα ἔχειν ᾿ ὅμως καὶ τοῦτο προσθήσο μεν πρὸς ἔλεγχον τῆς ἠπατημένης αὐτῶν ὑπολήψεως· Πάντα σχεδὸν τὰ μέρη τῆς γῆς τὸ τῶν Ἰουδαίων τιχοὶ, προσαρχτιχοὶ, πάντα σχεδὸν τὰ ἔθνη μέμικται πρὸς τὴν τῶν ᾿Ἰουδαέων συνοίκησιν. Πῶς τοίνυν οὐδεμία τῶν ἄστρων ἀνάγκη ἐπ᾽ οὐδενὸς αὐτῶν ἴσχυσέ τινι τῶν ἐκ τοῦ ἔθνους χαρίσασθαι τὸ ἀλώδητον, ἀλλ᾽ ἐν ταῖς μυριοτρόποις τῶν ἄστρων ἐπιπλοχαῖς, ὥσπερ τὸ τικτόμενον, ἐν τῷ ὁμοίῳ πάντως ἐστὶ, κατὰ τὴν τεταγμένην τῶν ἡμερῶν περίοδον ὑπομενούσης τὴν λώθην τῆς φύσεως ; Ὁ δὲ, Ταῦτα μὲν οὔπω, φησὶν, ἐξήτασται παρ᾽ ἡμῖν, τίνι λόγῳ διαφεύγει τὴν ἐκ τῶν ἄστρων ἀνάγκην τὰ νόμοις ἢ χεχρατημένα παρὰ πολλοῖς τῶν ἐθνῶν ἡ μέντοι πρόῤῥησις τῶν ἀποδησομένων, οὐκ ἂν μικρὸν εἰς ἀπόδειξιν νομισθείη, τοῦ ἀπαραδάτως ἔχειν τὰ μεμοιραμένα ἐκάστῳ. Πῶς γὰρ ὁ δεῖνα, τόνδε τὸν ἀριθμὸν τῶν ἑτῶν βιοτεύσειν, καὶ τοιαῖσδε συντυχίαις κατὰ τὸν βίον συνενεχυήσεσθαι προμαθὼν, εἰ μή τις ἀνάγκη κατὰ τὸ ἐκείνῳ τε ταῦτα γενέσθαι πάντως ἐπέχλωσε, προαγορεύοντι διὰ τῆς ποιᾶς τῶν κατὰ τὸν ἀριθμὸν σεσημειωμένων παρατηρήσεως δῆλον ἐποίησεν; Εγὼ ὃὲ κρεῖττον μὲν ἔφην ἐν τοῖς τοιούτοις δοκεῖν ἀγνοεῖν, ἢ γέλωτος ἀφορμὴν παρασχεῖν οἷς ἀμαθεστέροις τῶν ἡμετέρων δογμάτων ᾿ πλὴν ἀλλὰ μικρὰ φροντίσας τῶν ἐν γέλωτι τὰ καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς τιθεμένων, δι᾽ ὀλίγων, ὡς ἂν οἷός τε ὦ, πᾶσαν τὴν περὶ τούτου αἰτίαν ἐχθήσομαι.·Ἔστι τῷ γένει τῶν ἀνθρώπων κατὰ φύσιν πολέμιος δύναμίς τις ἐκ τῶν ἐναντίων τῇ ἀγαθῇ φύσει γινωσκομένη. Τούτου δὲ μυρίας μὲν ἔστι τὰς ἀποδείξεις ἐξ ἐναργῶν παραστῆσαι πραγμάτων. Οὐ μὴν ἀναγκαῖον ἡγοῦμαι τῷ παρόντι καιρῷ πάντα κατὰ τὸ ἀκόλουθον διεξιέναι, δι᾽ ὧν ταῦτα οὕτως ἔχειν πεπίστευται. Τῆς τοίνυν θείας φύσεως ἐν παντὶ ἀγαθῷ νοἡματί τε καὶ ὀνόματι θεωρουμένης, παρ᾽ ἧς ἡ ζωὴ, τὸ φῶς, ἡ ἀλήθεια, τὸ δίκαιόν τε καὶ σοφὸν, καὶ ἄφθαρτον, καὶ πᾶν ὅ τί περ ἔστι κατ᾽ ἔννοιαν λαθεῖν ἀγαθὸν, τοῦτο οὔσης καὶ τοῦτο χαριζομένης, ἢ ἐκ τῶν ἐναντίων γνωριζομένη δύναμις ἐκ πάντων κατὰ τὸ ἀντικείμενον ἑκάστῳ τῶν ἀγαθῶν θεωρουμένων χαταλαμδάνεται. Ὥστε ἀντὶ μὲν ζωῆς, θάνατον, ἀντὶ δὲ ἀληθείας, ἀπάτην, καὶ ἀνθ᾽ ἑκάστου τῶν βελτιόνων, τὴν ἀντιδιαστελλομένην κακίαν παρ᾽ αὐτοῖς τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἐπάγεσθαι· εἶναι γὰρ αὐτῇ τοῦτο φῇον, ὅπερ ἂν τῇ φύσει τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἐπ᾽ ὀλέθρῳ γίνεται.
Pōs echei to nēpion, to brephos, to meirakion, ho anēr, ho patēr, ho presthytēs, ho eugenēs, ho eupatridēs, ho misthōtos, ho desmōtēs ? Oute tǭ chronǭ tēs geneseōs, oute diaphorą tini tēs axias eis tēn tōn kakōn homotimian kōlyontai. Eti pros toutois; tis ouk oiden hotʼ pantos agous eschaton estin hē thygatromixia, kai adelphogamia, kai eis mēteras paranomia ? Touto toinyn ei kata tina moiras anankēn egineto, pantōs an kai en tois kath᾽ hēmas etolmēthē topois; epei de monǭ tǭ ethnei Persōn, kai tois ta ekeinōn nomima oedidagmenois, to toiouton agos tolmatai; dēlon ek tou akolouthou, hoti moira kai heimarmenē hē hekastou proairesis ginetai, to dokoun kat᾽ exousian proairoumenē. Eti pros toutois, hōs an mēde to toiouton echoien legein, hoti kata tas poias perichliseis tōn topōn tines astrōn kinēseis kai dia touto, hoi men mētrogamousin, nousi kai anthrōpodorousi; tēs de tōn astrōn tēs theseōs ekeinois idiazontōs epipiptousēs, ei kai panpapasi tōn apaideutōn kai tēs tōn ontōn theōrias anepischeptōn ho toiouto? logos esti, tōn hoiomenōn hoti kata tas poias tēs gēs perigraphas kai hē anōthen autois lēxis epitypoutai; houtō gar an heuretheiē ta gēïna tōn ouraniōn archēgichōtera, ei kata tauta nomizoito kakeina echein ᾿ homōs kai touto prosthēso men pros elenchon tēs ēpatēmenēs autōn hypolēpseōs; Panta schedon ta merē tēs gēs to tōn Ioudaiōn tichoi, prosarchtichoi, panta schedon ta ethnē memiktai pros tēn tōn ᾿Ioudaeōn synoikēsin. Pōs toinyn oudemia tōn astrōn anankē ep᾽ oudenos autōn ischyse tini tōn ek tou ethnous charisasthai to alōdēton, all᾽ en tais myriotropois tōn astrōn epiplochais, hōsper to tiktomenon, en tǭ homoiǭ pantōs esti, kata tēn tetagmenēn tōn hēmerōn periodon hypomenousēs tēn lōthēn tēs physeōs ? Ho de, Tauta men oupō, phēsin, exētastai par᾽ hēmin, tini logǭ diapheugei tēn ek tōn astrōn anankēn ta nomois ē chechratēmena para pollois tōn ethnōn hē mentoi prorrhēsis tōn apodēsomenōn, ouk an mikron eis apodeixin nomistheiē, tou aparadatōs echein ta memoiramena ekastǭ. Pōs gar ho deina, tonde ton arithmon tōn hetōn bioteusein, kai toiaisde syntychiais kata ton bion synenechyēsesthai promathōn, ei mē tis anankē kata to ekeinǭ te tauta genesthai pantōs epechlōse, proagoreuonti dia tēs poias tōn kata ton arithmon sesēmeiōmenōn paratērēseōs dēlon epoiēsen? Egō hoe kreitton men ephēn en tois toioutois dokein agnoein, ē gelōtos aphormēn paraschein hois amathesterois tōn hēmeterōn dogmatōn ᾿ plēn alla mikra phrontisas tōn en gelōti ta kath᾽ hēmas tithemenōn, di᾽ oligōn, hōs an hoios te ō, pasan tēn peri toutou aitian echthēsomai.;Esti tǭ genei tōn anthrōpōn kata physin polemios dynamis tis ek tōn enantiōn tę̄ agathę̄ physei ginōskomenē. Toutou de myrias men esti tas apodeixeis ex enargōn parastēsai pragmatōn. Ou mēn anankaion hēgoumai tǭ paronti kairǭ panta kata to akolouthon diexienai, di᾽ hōn tauta houtōs echein pepisteutai. Tēs toinyn theias physeōs en panti agathǭ noēmati te kai onomati theōroumenēs, par᾽ hēs hē zōē, to phōs, hē alētheia, to dikaion te kai sophon, kai aphtharton, kai pan ho ti per esti kat᾽ ennoian lathein agathon, touto ousēs kai touto charizomenēs, ē ek tōn enantiōn gnōrizomenē dynamis ek pantōn kata to antikeimenon hekastǭ tōn agathōn theōroumenōn chatalamdanetai. Hōste anti men zōēs, thanaton, anti de alētheias, apatēn, kai anth᾽ hekastou tōn beltionōn, tēn antidiastellomenēn kakian par᾽ autois tois anthrōpois epagesthai; einai gar autę̄ touto phę̄on, hoper an tę̄ physei tois anthrōpois ep᾽ olethrǭ ginetai.
How is it that there the infant, the babe, the youth, the man, the father, the old man, the well-born, the noble, the hireling, the prisoner are hindered neither by the time of birth nor by any difference of rank from an equal share in the evils?
Besides this, who does not know that intercourse with daughters, marriage with sisters, and lawlessness with mothers are the last extreme of every pollution? If this happened by some necessity of portion, it would surely have been ventured in our regions too. But since such a pollution is ventured only by the nation of the Persians and those who have been taught their customs, it is plain in consequence that each one's free choice becomes his portion and fate, choosing by its own authority what it thinks fit. And besides this, so that they may not be able to say even this, that according to the particular inclinations of the regions there are certain movements of the stars, and for this reason some marry their mothers, [others ...] and eat men, the position of the stars falling particularly on them (even if such an argument belongs to those wholly uneducated and unexamined in the contemplation of beings, who think that the lot from above is stamped on them according to the particular outlines of the earth; for so earthly things would be found more governing than heavenly ones, if those were thought to be according to these), nevertheless we shall add this too for the refutation of their deceived supposition. The [nation] of the Jews [is scattered over] almost all parts of the earth, [eastern, western], southern, northern; almost all the nations are mixed with the Jews living among them. How, then, did no necessity of the stars in any of them prevail to grant any one of that nation freedom from circumcision; but in the countless interweavings of the stars every child born is surely in the same state, nature undergoing the cutting at the appointed period of days?
He said: "We have not yet examined by what reason things held by laws among many nations escape the necessity from the stars. But the prediction of what will come about would not be thought a small proof that what is portioned to each is inviolable. For how did so-and-so, having learned beforehand that he would live this number of years and meet such chances in life, [know it], unless some necessity had spun these things to happen to him in every case, making it plain to the one who foretold it through the particular observation of what was marked by number?"
I said that it was better to seem ignorant in such matters than to give an occasion for laughter to those more ignorant of our doctrines; but, caring little for those who make our affairs a laughingstock, I would set out briefly, as far as I could, the whole cause of this.
There is a power hostile by nature to the race of men, known from what is opposite to the good nature. One could present countless proofs of this from evident facts; but I do not think it necessary at the present time to go through in sequence everything by which this is believed to be so. Since the divine nature is seen in every good thought and name, from which come life, light, truth, the just and wise and incorruptible, and everything good that can be grasped in thought, being this and granting this, the power known from the opposites is grasped as being seen in all things that are opposed to each of the goods: so that instead of life it brings death, instead of truth deceit, and instead of each of the better things the evil set against it, among men themselves. For this is dear to it, whatever by nature becomes destruction for men.
Gen 17:12 (allusion, high confidence) · Lev 12:3 (allusion, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Customs prove the power of free choice: the incestuous marriages of the Persians occur only where their laws are followed, and Jews everywhere, under every configuration of stars, are circumcised on the appointed day; Gregory then begins to explain predictions as the work of a power hostile to humanity, the opposite of God's goodness.
- Re-read against the Greek. The charge of incestuous marriage among the Persians (Zoroastrian next-of-kin marriage) is a common Greek report; translated as written. Circumcision on the eighth day: Gen 17:12; Lev 12:3. Several words are lost in the list of regions where Jews live and in the list of customs ("[others …] and eat men"); supplied in brackets or marked "…". Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the word θεωρουμένων; Latin column leaked into the word φροντίσας; Latin column leaked into the word ὁμοτιμίαν): ὁμο- Βὶ ἀπιρδεἰθηΐδηι. τιμίαν → ὁμοτιμίαν; φροντίπδίμγΒ σας → φροντίσας; θεωρουμένοηοῆσία ἐχογ- νων → θεωρουμένων.
Topics: Free will, Providence
Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 10 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/10). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.
Chapter 11
11PG 45
Ὥσπερ δὲ οἱ διὰ τῶν δηλητηρίων χαχοποιοῦντες, πολλάκις καὶ μέλιτι τὸ φθεῖρον ἐφηδύνουσι φάρμακον, οὐκ εὐφρᾶναι τῇ γεύσει τὸν βλαπτόμενον σπουδὴν ποιούμενοι, ἀλλ᾽ ἐχχλέψαι τὴν τοῦ φθείροντος αἴδθη σιν· οὕτω καὶ ἡ φθοροποιὸς αὕτη φύσις, σκοπὸν ἔχουσα τῆς ἀγαθῆς φύσεως ἀποστῆσαι τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἀγαθῶν τινων πραγμάτων μορφὰς ὑποδύεται, προῤῥήσεσί τισι καὶ ἰατρείαις τὸν ἐγκεκρυμμένον τῆς ἀπάτης λόγον ἐπιχαλύπτουσα· ὡς ἂν τούτῳ προσἔχοντες τὸ δείλαιον τῶν ἀνθρώπων γένος, τοῦτό τε νομίξοντες ἀγαθὸν εἶναι, τοῦ ὄντως κατὰ φύσιν ἀγαθοῦ μηδεμίαν ἔχοιεν ἐπιθυμίαν. Διά τοι τοῦτο καθάπερ ἄν τις προγνώσεως εἶδος διά τινος ἀπάτης προεἰλημμένος τύχῃ, κατ᾽ ἐκεῖνο καὶ ἡ ἀπατηλὴ τῶν δαιμόνων ὑπήκουσε δύναμις, ἐν ἡπατοσκοπίαις καὶ οἷωνιἑχάστου τούτων, [ἀλλ᾽] οὐ κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν τρόπον, ἀλλὰ διαφόρως τὸ ἐφεξῆς προμηνύοντος. Ὥσπερ τοίνυν ὁ τῷ ἥπατι τὸ μέλλον διασημαίνων, ὁ διά τινος χλῃδόνος προειχάσας τὸ ἐσόμενον, ἣ ὁ πρὸς τὴν πτῆσιν τοῦ οἰωνοῦ βλέπων, οὐ τῇ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀνάγκῃ τὰ τοιαῦτα προαγορεύειν κατεπαγγέλλεται· τὸν αὐτὸν ρόπον μιᾶς οὔσης αἰτίας, καθὼς εἴρηται, τῆς τὸ τοιοῦτο τῆς προῤῥήσεως εἶδος μετιούσης, λέγω δὲ Ὁ τῆς κατὰ τὴν ἀπατηλὴν τῶν δαιμόνων ἐνέργειαν· οὐκ ἐπειδή ποτέ τι κατὰ τὸ συμδὰν ἐπετέχθη τῶν εἰρημένων (εἴπερ δὴ ὅλως μὲν ἐπετέχθη), διὰ τούτου ἡ τῆς εἱμαρμένης ἀποδείκνυται δύναμις, ἐπεὶ πᾶν προῤῥήσεως εἶδος, εἰκότως ἂν ἐξ εἱμαρμένης τὴν ἰσχὺν ἔχειν χατασχευάζοιτο.·Ὥστε ἡμῖν μίαν μὲν εἱμαρμένην εἶναι τὸν ὄνειρον· ἑτέραν δὲ τὴν ἐκ παλμῶν παρατήρησιν· ἄλλην δὲ, ἐξ οἰωνισμῶν, ἢ χληἢ τινων συμδόλων συνισταμένην. Εἰ δὲ οὐδὲν ἐπ᾽ ἐκείνων κωλύει καὶ πρόῤῥησιν εἶναι καὶ εἶμαρμένην μὴ εἶναι· οὐδὲ εἴ τις ἐξ ἀριθμοῦ τοῖς γενεθλιαπρόῤῥησις, ἀρχοῦσα γένοιτο ἂν πίστις εἰς τὸ μὴ ῥᾳδίως τὰ τοιαῦτα ἐπιτυγχάνεσθαι. Καίτοι: γε οὔτε ἀχριδεῖς τε καὶ ἀναμφίδολοι παρὰ τῶν τὰ τοιαῦτα ἐπαγγελλομένων αἱ νονται, ἀλλὰ πολλὰς ἑαυτοῖς ἀναχωρήσεις παρα- πδπὶ ἐπὶ τῇ ἐχδάσει, εἰ πρὸς τοὐναντίον ὁ λόγος ἐλέγχοιτο, καί τινα προτεχνολογοῦσιν ἑαυτοῖς οἷς τούτων μέλει· ὥστε μὴ τῆς ἐπιστήμης τῷ ἐσφαλμένῳ, ἀλλὰ τῆς κατὰ τὴν ὥραν σημειώσεως τὴν ἀποτυχίαν λογίζεσθαι, καὶ λοξαὶ ὡς ἐπίπαν καὶ πρὸς παρ᾽ αὑτῶν αἱ προῤῥήσεις, ἵν᾿ ὅπερ ἂν ἐχθῇ, τοῦτο προμεμηνύσθα: δόξῃ. Πολλάκις γὰρ τὸ περιφανές τε καὶ τὸ ὑπὲρ τοὺς ἄλλους ὁ τὴν ὥραν τῆς γενέσεως κατανοήσας ἐμήνυσεν. Εἶτα ἐν ἐξαισίοις τισὶ συμφοραῖς τούτου γεγονότος, οὐδὲν διεσφάλθαςι προαγορεύσας διισχυρίσατο. Εἶχε γὰρ ὑπὲρ τοὺς ἄλλους τὸ πλέον εἰς τὴν τῶν κακῶν μετουσίαν· καὶ τούτων ἦ καθ᾽ ἡμᾶς ἱστορία μάρτυς ἐστίν. Οὐάλεντος γὰρ τοῦ βασιλέως ἐπὶ τῆς τῶν Ῥωμαίων ὄντος ἀρχῆς, ἀπάτη τις τοιαύτη πρὸς τὴν ἄνταρσιν τῆς ἀρχῆς παρεχίνησε. Καὶ ὁ μὲν ὥρμησεν ἐφόδιον πρὸς τὴν τόλμαν τῶν γενεθλιαλογούντων προαγόρευσιν ἔχων τὸ δὲ πέρας τῆς ἐγχειρήσεως τοιοῦτον ἐγένετο, ὥστε αὐτὸν τὸν ἐπὶ ταῖς μεγίσταις ἀρχαῖς γνωρισθέντα, ἐν τῷ μεγέθει τῆς συμφορᾶς γενέσθαι διασημότερον· καὶ τοῦτο συνεργία τῆς γενεθλιαλογίας τοῖς πολλοῖς ἐνομίσθη, ὅτι τὸ κατὰ συμφορὰν μέγεθος ἀντὶ τοῦ μεγέθους τῶν ἀγαθῶν τῷ ἀνδρὶ συνηνέχθη. Ἐγὼ δὲ τὸ μὲν πεπλανημένας τὰς περὶ τούτων γίνεσθαι προαγορεύσεις, οὕπω μέγα ποιοῦμαι τεκμήριον τοῦ μὴ ἑστάναι τῆς εἱμαρμένης τὸν λόγον· ἀλλ᾽ ἐπειδὴ πολλαῖς καὶ ἄλλαις ἐπινοίαις ἡ ἀπατηλὴ τῶν δαιμόνων δύναμις τὰς προῤῥήσεις σοφίζεται. Καὶ γὰρ καὶ ὕδωρ τι μαντικὸν, παραφορὰς καὶ μανίας τοῖς γευσαμένοις ἐνεργαζόμενον, καὶ πνεῦμα κάτωθεν διά τινος στομίου διεξερχόμενον: ὅπερ εἰ ἐν γυναικείοις γένοιτο σπλάγχνοις ἐξῳδηκένα: τὴν γαστέρα ἑποίει, καὶ τῆς διανοίας ἔχατασιν, καὶ παραφορὰν τοῦ καθεστηκότος εἰργάζετο. ΓΔπερ πάντα, θεῖζά τε καὶ μαντικὰ τοῖς ἀπατωμένοις ἐδόκει, τῶν τε ἐξ ἥπατος ἣ πυρὸς σημείοις τισὶ τὸ μέλλον προεικαζόντων, ἢ τῶν πρὸς τὰς πτήσεις τῶν ὀρνέων, οὐδεὶς ἀνέθηκε τῇ εἱμαρμένῃ τὴν τῆς προῤῥήσεως δύναμιν· ἀλλά τινι δαιμονίᾳ καταχωχῇ τὸ τοιοῦτον λογίζονται. Οὕτω φημὶ, ἢ μὴ εἶναι καθόλου προαγόρευσιν διὰ τὸ πολλοῖς ἐναντιώμασι τὰς προῤῥήσεις ἐλέγχεσθαι, ἣ εἴπερ ἀποδείκνυσί τις αὐτὴν ὡς προλέγουσάν τῶν ἐχδησομένων, ὅπερ ἐπὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἑκάστου τῶν οὔτο καὶ ἐπὶ τοῦ τοιούτου τῆς προῤῥήσεως εἴδους οἰόμεθα χρῆναι νομίζειν. Ἶσον γὰρ ἐπὶ πάντων τούτων ἐστὶ, τὸ ἐν τοῖς πλείοσι διαμαρτάνειν, τό τε ἕν τισιν δοκεῖν μὴ ἔξω τῆς τῶν ἐχόησομένων ἀληθείας ἄγειν τὴν πρόῤῥηπιν· καὶ τῇ ἀπατηλῇ τῶν δαιμόνων φύσει ὁμοίως, καὶ διὰ ταύτης καὶ πάσης ἐπινοίας ὁ σκοπὸς κατορθοῦται· τὸ γὰρ ἀποστῆσαι τὸν ἄνθρωπον τοῦ πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν βλέπειν, κἀκεῖθεν ἑαυτῷ τὴν τῶν ἀγαθῶν μοῖραν παρασκευάζειν, ἀντὶ παντὸς τοἷς δαίμοσι σπουδάζεται. Τὸ τοίνυν πεπεῖσθαι τοὺς εὐεξαπατήτους, μὴ ἐπὶ τῷ θείῳ βουλήματι τὰ κατὰ τὸν βίον κεῖσθαι· ἀλλ᾽ ἐπὶ τῇ τοιᾷδε τῶν ἄστρων διαπλοχῇ, καὶ τῇ ἐκεῖθεν ἀποῤῥεούσῃ δυνάμει, πάντων μάλιστα πρὸς τὸν σκοπὸν τῆς βλαπτιχῆς τῶν δαιμόνων φύσεως βλέπει. Εἰ οὖν κεχαρισμένον ἐστὶ τοῖς δαίμοσι, τοῦ Θεοῦ ἀποστῆσαι τὸν ἄνθρωπον, ἀφίστησι ὃς ἡ περὶ ταῦτα πλάνη, ἀποδείκνυται σαφῶς δαιμονία τίς οὖσα ἐνέργεια, δι’ ἀπάτης παραχρονομένη τοὺς πᾶσαν μὲν ἐν τούτοις τὴν δύναμιν εἶναι νομίζοντας· πρὸς δὲ παντοδύνα μον τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐξουσίαν μὴ
Hōsper de hoi dia tōn dēlētēriōn chachopoiountes, pollakis kai meliti to phtheiron ephēdynousi pharmakon, ouk euphranai tę̄ geusei ton blaptomenon spoudēn poioumenoi, all᾽ echchlepsai tēn tou phtheirontos aidthē sin; houtō kai hē phthoropoios hautē physis, skopon echousa tēs agathēs physeōs apostēsai ton anthrōpon, agathōn tinōn pragmatōn morphas hypodyetai, prorrhēsesi tisi kai iatreiais ton enkekrymmenon tēs apatēs logon epichalyptousa; hōs an toutǭ prosechontes to deilaion tōn anthrōpōn genos, touto te nomixontes agathon einai, tou ontōs kata physin agathou mēdemian echoien epithymian. Dia toi touto kathaper an tis prognōseōs eidos dia tinos apatēs proeilēmmenos tychę̄, kat᾽ ekeino kai hē apatēlē tōn daimonōn hypēkouse dynamis, en hēpatoskopiais kai hoiōniechastou toutōn, [all᾽] ou kata ton auton tropon, alla diaphorōs to ephexēs promēnyontos. Hōsper toinyn ho tǭ hēpati to mellon diasēmainōn, ho dia tinos chlę̄donos proeichasas to esomenon, hē ho pros tēn ptēsin tou oiōnou blepōn, ou tę̄ tēs heimarmenēs anankę̄ ta toiauta proagoreuein katepangelletai; ton auton ropon mias ousēs aitias, kathōs eirētai, tēs to toiouto tēs prorrhēseōs eidos metiousēs, legō de Ho tēs kata tēn apatēlēn tōn daimonōn energeian; ouk epeidē pote ti kata to symdan epetechthē tōn eirēmenōn (eiper dē holōs men epetechthē), dia toutou hē tēs heimarmenēs apodeiknytai dynamis, epei pan prorrhēseōs eidos, eikotōs an ex heimarmenēs tēn ischyn echein chatascheuazoito.;Hōste hēmin mian men heimarmenēn einai ton oneiron; heteran de tēn ek palmōn paratērēsin; allēn de, ex oiōnismōn, ē chlēē tinōn symdolōn synistamenēn. Ei de ouden ep᾽ ekeinōn kōlyei kai prorrhēsin einai kai eimarmenēn mē einai; oude ei tis ex arithmou tois genethliaprorrhēsis, archousa genoito an pistis eis to mē rhądiōs ta toiauta epitynchanesthai. Kaitoi: ge oute achrideis te kai anamphidoloi para tōn ta toiauta epangellomenōn hai nontai, alla pollas heautois anachōrēseis para- pdpi epi tę̄ echdasei, ei pros tounantion ho logos elenchoito, kai tina protechnologousin heautois hois toutōn melei; hōste mē tēs epistēmēs tǭ esphalmenǭ, alla tēs kata tēn hōran sēmeiōseōs tēn apotychian logizesthai, kai loxai hōs epipan kai pros par᾽ hautōn hai prorrhēseis, hin᾿ hoper an echthę̄, touto promemēnystha: doxę̄. Pollakis gar to periphanes te kai to hyper tous allous ho tēn hōran tēs geneseōs katanoēsas emēnysen. Eita en exaisiois tisi symphorais toutou gegonotos, ouden diesphalthasi proagoreusas diischyrisato. Eiche gar hyper tous allous to pleon eis tēn tōn kakōn metousian; kai toutōn ē kath᾽ hēmas historia martys estin. Oualentos gar tou basileōs epi tēs tōn Rhōmaiōn ontos archēs, apatē tis toiautē pros tēn antarsin tēs archēs parechinēse. Kai ho men hōrmēsen ephodion pros tēn tolman tōn genethlialogountōn proagoreusin echōn to de peras tēs encheirēseōs toiouton egeneto, hōste auton ton epi tais megistais archais gnōristhenta, en tǭ megethei tēs symphoras genesthai diasēmoteron; kai touto synergia tēs genethlialogias tois pollois enomisthē, hoti to kata symphoran megethos anti tou megethous tōn agathōn tǭ andri synēnechthē. Egō de to men peplanēmenas tas peri toutōn ginesthai proagoreuseis, houpō mega poioumai tekmērion tou mē hestanai tēs heimarmenēs ton logon; all᾽ epeidē pollais kai allais epinoiais hē apatēlē tōn daimonōn dynamis tas prorrhēseis sophizetai. Kai gar kai hydōr ti mantikon, paraphoras kai manias tois geusamenois energazomenon, kai pneuma katōthen dia tinos stomiou diexerchomenon: hoper ei en gynaikeiois genoito splanchnois exǭdēkena: tēn gastera hepoiei, kai tēs dianoias echatasin, kai paraphoran tou kathestēkotos eirgazeto. GDper panta, theiza te kai mantika tois apatōmenois edokei, tōn te ex hēpatos hē pyros sēmeiois tisi to mellon proeikazontōn, ē tōn pros tas ptēseis tōn orneōn, oudeis anethēke tę̄ heimarmenę̄ tēn tēs prorrhēseōs dynamin; alla tini daimonią katachōchę̄ to toiouton logizontai. Houtō phēmi, ē mē einai katholou proagoreusin dia to pollois enantiōmasi tas prorrhēseis elenchesthai, hē eiper apodeiknysi tis autēn hōs prolegousan tōn echdēsomenōn, hoper epi tōn allōn hekastou tōn outo kai epi tou toioutou tēs prorrhēseōs eidous oiometha chrēnai nomizein. Ison gar epi pantōn toutōn esti, to en tois pleiosi diamartanein, to te hen tisin dokein mē exō tēs tōn echoēsomenōn alētheias agein tēn prorrhēpin; kai tę̄ apatēlę̄ tōn daimonōn physei homoiōs, kai dia tautēs kai pasēs epinoias ho skopos katorthoutai; to gar apostēsai ton anthrōpon tou pros ton Theon blepein, kakeithen heautǭ tēn tōn agathōn moiran paraskeuazein, anti pantos tois daimosi spoudazetai. To toinyn pepeisthai tous euexapatētous, mē epi tǭ theiǭ boulēmati ta kata ton bion keisthai; all᾽ epi tę̄ toiąde tōn astrōn diaplochę̄, kai tę̄ ekeithen aporrheousę̄ dynamei, pantōn malista pros ton skopon tēs blaptichēs tōn daimonōn physeōs blepei. Ei oun kecharismenon esti tois daimosi, tou Theou apostēsai ton anthrōpon, aphistēsi hos hē peri tauta planē, apodeiknytai saphōs daimonia tis ousa energeia, di’ apatēs parachronomenē tous pasan men en toutois tēn dynamin einai nomizontas; pros de pantodyna mon tou Theou exousian mē
As those who do harm with poisons often sweeten the destroying drug with honey, not taking pains to please the taste of the one harmed, but to steal away the sensation of what destroys, so too this destroying nature, having as its aim to make man stand away from the good nature, puts on the forms of certain good things, covering the hidden reason of its deceit with predictions and cures, so that the wretched race of men, attending to this and thinking it good, may have no desire for what is truly good by nature. For this reason, whatever form of foreknowledge someone happens to have accepted beforehand through some deceit, the deceitful power of demons answers according to it, in the inspection of livers and in [the observation of birds, in dreams and in omens], [none] of these foretelling what follows in the same way, but each differently. As, then, the one who signifies the future by the liver, the one who guesses beforehand what will be by some chance utterance, or the one who looks to the flight of the bird, does not claim to foretell such things by the necessity of fate, in the same way, since the cause that pursues this kind of prediction is one, as has been said, I mean the deceitful activity of demons, the power of fate is not shown because one of the things said once happened by chance to come true (if indeed it came true at all); since then every kind of prediction might reasonably be established as having its strength from fate, so that for us the dream would be one fate, the observation from twitchings another, and another made up from omens or chance utterances or certain signs. But if nothing in those cases prevents there being prediction and there not being fate, neither would a prediction from number by the casters of nativities be sufficient proof [of fate], [especially since] such things do not easily come true.
And yet the predictions given by those who profess such things are neither exact nor free of doubt, but they [prepare] many retreats for themselves in the outcome, in case the word should be refuted to the contrary; and those who care for these things devise in advance some technical excuses for themselves, so as to reckon the failure not to the error of the science but to the noting of the hour. And their predictions are for the most part oblique and [ambiguous], so that whatever comes out may seem to have been foretold. For often the one who has examined the hour of birth has foretold distinction and pre-eminence above others; then, when this man came to be in some extraordinary calamities, he maintained that he had not erred at all in his prediction, for the man had more than others in his share of evils. Of these things the history of our own time is a witness. When the emperor Valens held the rule of the Romans, some such deceit stirred a certain man to revolt against the rule. He set out having the prediction of the casters of nativities as provision for his daring; and the end of the attempt was such that he, who had been made known for the greatest offices, became the more famous in the greatness of his calamity; and this was thought by the many to be a confirmation of the casting of nativities, that greatness of calamity befell the man instead of greatness of goods.
For my part, I do not yet make it a great proof that the doctrine of fate does not stand that predictions about these things turn out mistaken; but since the deceitful power of demons contrives predictions by many other devices too. For there is a prophetic water, working derangement and madness in those who taste it, and a vapour coming up from below through some opening, which, if it came into a woman's inward parts, made her belly swell and worked an ecstasy of the mind and a derangement of the settled state. All these seemed divine and prophetic to the deceived; and of those who guess the future by certain signs from the liver or from fire, or of those who look to the flights of birds, no one ascribed the power of prediction to fate, but they reckon such a thing to some demonic possession. So I say: either there is no prediction at all, because predictions are refuted by many contrary instances; or, if someone shows it to foretell what will come about, then what we think must be held of each of the others, we must hold of this kind of prediction too. For in all these alike it is the same, to err in most cases and to seem in some not to lead the prediction outside the truth of what will come about; and the aim is achieved alike by the deceitful nature of the demons, through this and every device. For to make man stand away from looking to God, and from preparing from there for himself the portion of goods, is pursued by the demons above all. So the persuasion of the easily deceived that the things of life lie not in the divine will but in the particular interweaving of the stars and the power flowing from there looks most of all to the aim of the harmful nature of the demons. If, then, it pleases the demons to make man stand away from God, and the error about these things does make him stand away, it is clearly shown to be a demonic activity, deceiving through deceit those who think that all power is in these things, and toward the all-powerful authority of God [do not ...]
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Summary: Demons sweeten their deceit with predictions and cures, as poisoners use honey; every kind of divination, from livers, birds, dreams, the prophetic water and the Pythian vapour, comes from the same demonic source and none proves fate; astrologers hedge their predictions, as when a usurper under Valens was encouraged by a horoscope and ruined; the whole aim is to turn people from God.
- Re-read against the Greek. The revolt "under the emperor Valens" is probably that of Procopius (365–366); Gregory does not name him. The "prophetic water" and the vapour from below that entered a woman's body are the springs of oracles and the Pythia at Delphi; Gregory does not name the places.
- The staged text breaks off in mid-sentence ("… toward the all-powerful authority of God [do not …]"); the rest of the treatise is not in the staged text. Latin leaks are removed by logged corrections; some lost words are supplied in brackets.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Latin column leaked into the line): διὰ ᾳῷ΄ φιυιᾶτα ὀχίϑιπ|0 Δ} ΠΟΙ τὸ πολλοῖς → διὰ τὸ πολλοῖς; τὰ κατὰ Ὁ Ἰυηίαῖα ἀπιρίδοιοπάα τὸν βίον → τὰ κατὰ τὸν βίον.
Topics: The devil and demons, Magic, divination, and astrology
Cite (SBL): Gregory of Nyssa, Fat. 11 (PG 45; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/11). (abbreviation not yet checked)
Permanent link: https://sophiascriptura.com/p/gregory-nyssa-fatum/11
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Translation: Translated by Claude from the Greek of Migne PG 44–46 (archive.org OCR; Latin-column leaks and OCR slips removed by logged corrections); re-read against the Greek.