Miscellanies 2.8.38

Summary: Clement presses dilemmas against Basilides and Valentinus: if ignorance is good, baptism is needless; if evil, evil causes the best things; and the angels' plot against Adam fails on every account of what they knew.

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Greek text · Stählin 2:133

πότερον οὖν τῶν καλῶν ἢ φαύλων ἡ ἄγνοια; ἀλλʼ εἰ μὲν τῶν καλῶν, τί παύεται ἐκπλήξει; καὶ παρέλκει ὁ διάκονος αὐτοῖς καὶ τὸ κήρυγμα καὶ τὸ βάπτισμα. εἰ δὲ τῶν φαύλων, πῶς τῶν καλλίστων αἴτιον τὸ κακόν; εἰ μὴ γὰρ προϋπῆρχεν ἄγνοια, οὐκ ἂν ὁ διάκονος κατῆλθεν, οὐδʼ ἂν ἔκπληξις εἷλε τὸν Ἄρχοντα, ὡς αὐτοὶ λέγουσιν, οὐδʼ ἂν ἀρχὴν σοφίας ἐκ τοῦ φόβου ἔλαβεν εἰς τὴν φυλοκρίνησιν τῆς τε ἐκλογῆς τῶν τε κοσμικῶν. εἰ δὲ ὁ φόβος τοῦ προόντος Ἀνθρώπου ἐπιβούλους τοῦ σφετέρου πλάσματος πεποίηκε τοὺς ἀγγέλους, ὡς ἐνιδρυμένου τῷ δημιουργήματι ἀοράτου τοῦ σπέρματος τῆς ἄνωθεν οὐσίας, ἢ ὑπολήψει κενῇ παρεζήλωσαν, ὅπερ ἀπίθανον, ἀγγέλους δημιουργίας ἧς ἐπιστεύθησαν οἷον τέκνου τινὸς αὐθέντας γενέσθαι, ἄγνοιαν πᾶσαν κατεγνωσμένους· ἢ προγνώσει ἐνεχόμενοι κεκίνηνται, ἀλλʼ οὐκ ἂν ἐπεβούλευσαν διʼ οὗ ἐπεχείρησαν, ᾧ προέγνωσαν, οὐδʼ ἂν κατεπλάγησαν τὸ ἔργον τὸ αὑτῶν, ἐκ προγνώσεως τὸ ἄνωθεν σπέρμα νενοηκότες· ἢ τὸ τελευταῖον γνώσει πεποιθότες ἐτόλμησαν· ὃ καὶ αὐτὸ ἀδύνατον, μαθόντας τὸ διαφέρον τὸ ἐν πληρώματι Ἀνθρώπῳ ἐπιβουλεύειν, ἔτι καὶ τὸ κατʼ εἰκόνα, ἐν ᾧ καὶ τὸ ἀρχέτυπον καὶ τὸ σὺν τῇ γνώσει τῇ λοιπῇ ἄφθαρτον παρειλήφεσαν.

English · Claude translation

Is ignorance, then, among good things or bad? If among good things, why does it cease through astonishment? And the minister, the preaching, and the baptism are superfluous for them. But if among bad things, how is evil the cause of the best things? For if ignorance had not existed before, the minister would not have come down, nor would astonishment have seized the Ruler, as they themselves say, nor would he have received a beginning of wisdom from fear for the separating of the elect and of the worldly. And if fear of the preexisting Man made the angels plot against their own formation, because the invisible seed of the substance from above was set in the thing created, then either they were jealous from an empty supposition, which is unlikely, since angels would then have become the destroyers of the creation entrusted to them, as of a child of their own, and would stand convicted of complete ignorance; or they were moved as being held by foreknowledge, but then they would not have plotted against what they foreknew, when they made the attempt, nor would they have been terrified at their own work, having understood the seed from above by foreknowledge; or, finally, they dared it trusting in knowledge. But this too is impossible: that, having learned the difference, they should plot against the Man in the Pleroma, and moreover against the one after the image, in whom they had received the archetype, and, together with the rest of the knowledge, incorruptibility.

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Source
Stählin 2:133 · Otto Stählin, ed., Clemens Alexandrinus, vol. 2, Stromata Buch I–VI, GCS 15 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1906); vol. 3, Stromata Buch VII und VIII, GCS 17 (Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1909) · Greek text: Otto Stählin, Clemens Alexandrinus 2–3 (GCS 15, 17, 1906–1909), digitized by the Perseus Digital Library, CC BY-SA 4.0
Text
As printed in Stählin, GCS 15, 17. Manuscript variants and the editor's apparatus are not reproduced; no textual problem is noted in this passage.
Translation
Claude translation (claude-opus-5-5), 2026-09-27 · Translated by Claude from the Greek text of Stählin (1906–1909); made independently of existing English translations.
Compare
Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2 (1885) (an older public-domain English translation, whole volume at CCEL; checked against ours only after ours was made) · Book 3 is left partly untranslated (in Latin) there.
Topics
Heresy, Baptism

Notes

Translation notes

  • “The minister” is the ministering Spirit of 2.8.36. The Pleroma (“fullness”) is the Valentinian heavenly world.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misspelling in the digital text): ἔτι καὶ τὸ κατʼ ἐἰκόνα → ἔτι καὶ τὸ κατʼ εἰκόνα.

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Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 2.8.38 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/2/8/38/).

Plain text
Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 2.8.38 (trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/clement-stromata/2/8/38/).

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