Against the Epistle of Manichaeus Called Fundamental 27–36
Latin text: Zycha, CSEL 25 (Latin text: Joseph Zycha, Contra epistulam Manichaei quam vocant Fundamenti (CSEL 25.1, 1891), digitized by Open Greek and Latin (csel-dev, University of Leipzig), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, series 1, vol. 4 (1887), "Reply to Faustus the Manichæan" is a different work; this is "Against the Epistle of Manichæus called Fundamental.".
Chapter 27
27CSEL 25:226–228
Quid faciam cum errore peruersis et consuetudine inplicatis miserrimis animis? non enim sciunt isti homines. quid loquantur, cum haec loquuntur; non enim adtendunt. rogo, nemo uos urget, nemo in certamen premit, nemo praeteritis insultat erroribus, nisi qui diuinam misericordiam expertus non est. ut careret erroribus, tantum id agamus, ut aliquando finiantur. intuemini paululum sine animositate et amaritudine — omnes homines sumus, non nos, sed errores et falsitates oderimus — quaeso, intuemini paululum. deus misericordiarum, adiuua intuentes et uerum quaerentibus interius lumen accende. quid enim intellegimus, si non intellegimus rectum melius esse quam prauum? quaero ergo a uobis, si placide modesteque accipitis, rectum latus terrae tenebrarum, quod recto lateri terrae lucis adiungitur, si quispiam deprauaret, nullamne illi pulchritudinem adimeret. necesse est fateamini, si latrare nolitis, non solum ei, si deprauetur, pulchritudinem auferri, sed eam etiam pulchritudinem, quam cum recto latere terrae luminis potuit habere communem. hanc ergo auferens et de recto prauum faciens, ut discordaret, quod concordabat, et abhorreret, quod congruebat, numquid aliquam inde auferret substantiam? sic ergo discite non substantiam malum esse, sed sicut in corpore conmutatione formae in deterius amitti speciem uel potius minui et foedum dici, quod pulchrum antea dicebatur, et displicere corpus, quod ante placuerat: sic in animo rectae uoluntatis decus, quo pie iusteque uiuitur, conmutata in deterius uoluntate deprauari; quo peccato effici animam miseram, quae honestate rectae uoluntatis beatitatem obtinebat, nulla addita detractaue substantia. Deinde etiam illud cogitate, quia etsi concedamus aliis causis latus terrae tenebrarum malum esse, quod obscurum, quod tenebrosum uel si quid aliud dici potest, non tamen in eo, quod rectum est, malum est. sicut ergo concedo esse in eius colore aliquid mali, sic necesse est et uos concedatis esse in eius rectitudine aliquid boni. nefas est itaque hoc quantumcumque boni est alienare ab artifice deo, a quo esse omne bonum, quod in quacumque natura est, nisi credimus, perniciosissime erramus. quomodo ergo ille et summum malum esse dicit hanc terram, in cuius lateris rectitudine inuenio, quantum ad corpus adtinet, non paruae pulchritudinis bonum, et ab omnipotente atque optimo deo eam uult esse penitus alienam, cum id ipsum bonum, quod in illa inuenimus, cui alii tribuendum sit nisi auctori bonorum omnium. non inueniamus? sed malum erat, inquit, etiam illud latus. puta malum esse: deterius esset certe, si non rectum, sed distortum esset. quomodo est igitur summum malum, quo potest aliquid cogitari deterius? deinde necesse est aliquid boni sit. quo carendo fit res quaecumque deterior; carendo autem rectitudine fieret latus illud deterius: inest ergo illi boni aliquid, rectitudo. et numquam mihi dices, unde inest, nisi ad eum te contuleris. a quo siue magna siue parua, omnia tamen bona esse fateamur. sed iam a lateris huius consideratione transeamus ad alia.
What am I to do with most wretched minds perverted by error and entangled by habit? For these men do not know what they are saying when they say these things; for they do not pay attention. I beg you: no one is pressing you, no one is forcing you into a contest, no one mocks past errors except one who has not experienced the divine mercy so as to be free of errors; let us only see to it that they come to an end at last. Look a little, without animosity and bitterness (we are all men; let us hate not one another but errors and falsehoods); I beg you, look a little. God of mercies, help those who look, and kindle the inner light for those who seek the truth. For what do we understand, if we do not understand that straight is better than crooked? I ask you, then, if you will take it calmly and modestly: if someone were to make crooked the straight side of the land of darkness which is joined to the straight side of the land of light, would he not take away some beauty from it? You must confess, unless you want to bark, that if it is made crooked, not only is its own beauty taken away, but also that beauty which it could have in common with the straight side of the land of light. In taking this away, then, and making crooked out of straight, so that what agreed would disagree and what fitted would clash, would he take away any substance from it? So learn, then, that evil is not a substance; but just as in a body, by a change of form for the worse, beauty is lost, or rather diminished, and what was before called beautiful is called ugly, and a body displeases that pleased before, so in the mind the grace of a right will, by which one lives godly and justly, is spoiled when the will changes for the worse; and by this sin the soul, which by the honor of a right will possessed happiness, is made wretched, no substance being added or taken away. Then consider this too: even if we grant that for other reasons the side of the land of darkness is evil, because it is obscure, because it is dark, or whatever else can be said, yet it is not evil insofar as it is straight. Just as I grant, then, that there is something evil in its color, so you must grant that there is something good in its straightness. And so it is wrong to separate this good, however much it is, from God the craftsman; unless we believe that every good that is in any nature comes from him, we err most ruinously. How, then, does he say that this land is the supreme evil, when in the straightness of its side I find a good of no small beauty, as far as a body is concerned, and why does he want it to be wholly alien from the almighty and best God, when we cannot find to whom else that very good which we find in it should be ascribed except to the author of all goods? “But that side too,” he says, “was evil.” Suppose it was evil: it would certainly be worse if it were not straight but twisted. How, then, is that the supreme evil than which something worse can be thought? Further, there must be some good by lacking which a thing becomes worse; and by lacking straightness that side would become worse; so there is something good in it, straightness. And you will never tell me whence it is in it unless you betake yourself to him from whom, let us confess, all things, great or small, are good. But let us now pass from the consideration of this side to other matters.
Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.
2 Cor 1:3 (echo, medium confidence)
Notes and citation
Summary: Making a straight side crooked removes beauty but no substance, which shows that evil is not a substance but a loss of good; even the straightness of the dark land’s side is a good from God.
- “God of mercies” echoes 2 Cor 1:3. The argument that evil is not a substance but a corruption of a good nature is Augustine’s own, stated against the Manichaean view of evil as a substance.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 27 (CSEL 25:226–228; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-27). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 28
28CSEL 25:228–229
Habitabant, inquit, in illa terra ignea corpora, genera scilicet pestifera. cum dicit "habitabant," animata utique atque uiuentia uult intellegi. sed ne de uerbo calumniari uelle uideamur, adtendamus istos omnes habitatores terrae illius, quemadmodum in quinque genera uiua distribuat. hic infinitae, inquit, tenebrae ex eadem manantes natura inaestimabiles cum propriis fetibus; ultra quas erant aquae caenosae ac turbidae cum suis inhabitatoribus; quarum interius uenti horribiles et uehementes cum suo principe et genitoribus. rursum regio ignea et corruptibilis cum suis ducibus et nationibus. pari more introrsum gens caliginis ac fumi plena. in qua morabatur inmanis princeps omnium et dux habens circa se innumerabiles principes, quorum omnium ipse erat mens atque origo: haeque fuerunt naturae quinque terrae pestiferae. animaduertimus quinque naturas quasi partes unius naturae, quam uocat terram pestiferam. hae sunt autem: tenebrae, aquae, uenti, ignis. fumus; quas quinque naturas sic ordinat, ut exteriores ceteris sint tenebrae, a quibus numerare incipit. intra tenebras aquas constituit; intra aquas uentos; intra uentos ignem; intra ignem fumum. et habebant istae quinque naturae sua quaeque genera inhabitatorum suorum, quae nihilominus quinque sunt. quaero namque, utrum unum genus habitantium fuerit in omnibus quinque naturis, an diuersa genera, sicut naturae ipsae diuersae sunt. diuersa fuisse respondent et de aliis libris ita docent, quod tenebrae serpentes habuerunt; aquae natantes, sicut sunt pisces; uenti uolantes, sicut sunt aues; ignis quadrupedes, sicuti sunt equi, leones et cetera huiusmodi; fumus bipedes, sicuti sunt homines.
“There dwelt,” he says, “in that land fiery bodies, that is, pestilential kinds.” When he says “dwelt,” he certainly wants them to be understood as animate and living. But so that we may not seem to want to cavil at a word, let us attend to how he distributes all these inhabitants of that land into five living kinds. “Here,” he says, “were infinite darknesses, flowing from the same nature, beyond reckoning, with their own offspring; beyond these were muddy and turbid waters with their inhabitants; further within them, horrible and violent winds with their prince and begetters; again a fiery and corruptible region with its leaders and nations; in the same way, further within, a race full of gloom and smoke, in which dwelt the monstrous prince and leader of all, having around him innumerable princes, of all of whom he was the mind and origin. And these were the five natures of the pestilential land.” We notice five natures, as parts of one nature, which he calls the pestilential land. They are these: darkness, waters, winds, fire, smoke. He arranges these five natures so that darkness is outermost, and from it he begins to count; within the darkness he places the waters; within the waters the winds; within the winds the fire; within the fire the smoke. And these five natures each had their own kinds of inhabitants, which are likewise five. For I ask whether there was one kind of inhabitant in all five natures, or different kinds, as the natures themselves are different. They answer that they were different, and from other books they teach that the darkness had creeping things; the waters swimming things, such as fish; the winds flying things, such as birds; the fire four-footed things, such as horses, lions, and others of this kind; the smoke two-footed things, such as men.
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Summary: Mani divides the land of darkness into five natures (darkness, waters, winds, fire, smoke), each with its own kind of inhabitant.
- The quotation is from Mani’s Letter of the Foundation (see ch. 15); the five kinds of inhabitants come, Augustine says, from other Manichaean books.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray punctuation): aquae,. uenti → aquae, uenti.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 28 (CSEL 25:228–229; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-28). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 29
29CSEL 25:229–230
Quis igitur ista ordinauit? quis distribuit atque distinxit? quis numerum, qualitatem, formas, uitam dedit? haec enim omnia per se ipsa bona sunt nec inuenitur, unde cuique naturae nisi ab omnium bonorum deo auctore tribuantur. non enim sicut chaos describere, uel quo modo insinuare etiam poetae solent informem quandam materiem sine specie, sine qualitate, sine mensuris, sine numero et pondere, sine ordine ac distinctione confusum nescio quid atque omnino expers omni qualitate, — unde illud quidam doctores graeci ἄποιον uocant — non ergo sic isti hanc quam uocant terram tenebrarum insinuare conantur, sed omnino aliter longeque diuerse atque contrarie latus lateri adiungunt atque conliniant: naturas quinque numerant, distingunt, ordinant, qualitatibus propriis enuntiant nec eas desertas infecundasque esse permittunt, sed suis inhabitatoribus conplent eisque ipsis formas congruas et suis habitationibus adcommodatas adtribuunt et quod antecellit omnibus, uitam. haec tanta bona enumerare et ab auctore omnium bonorum deo aliena esse dicere, hoc est nec in rebus agnoscere tantum ordinis bonum nec in se tantum erroris malum.
Who, then, arranged these things? Who distributed and distinguished them? Who gave them number, quality, forms, life? For all these things are good in themselves, and no source can be found from which they are given to each nature except from God, the author of all goods. For it is not as the poets are wont to describe chaos, or to suggest some formless matter without form, without quality, without measures, without number and weight, without order and distinction, some confused thing utterly devoid of every quality (which is why certain Greek teachers call it apoion, “without quality”): it is not in this way, then, that these men try to suggest what they call the land of darkness, but altogether otherwise, far differently and contrarily: they join side to side and line them up; they count five natures, distinguish them, arrange them, describe them by their proper qualities; nor do they allow them to be deserted and barren, but fill them with their inhabitants, and give these very inhabitants forms suited and fitted to their dwellings, and, what surpasses all, life. To enumerate such great goods and to say that they are alien from God, the author of all goods, is to recognize neither the great good of order in things nor the great evil of error in oneself.
Notes and citation
Summary: The order, number, forms, and life that Mani gives to the land of darkness are goods that can come only from God.
- “Measures, number and weight” echoes Wis 11:20. The Greek word ἄποιον (“without quality”) is printed in Greek in the edition.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (Greek word garbled by OCR (marked sic in the digital text)): iiroiov → ἄποιον.
Extrabiblical texts: Wis 11:20 (Wisdom of Solomon [in RC, EO, ETH canons]; echo)
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 29 (CSEL 25:229–230; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-29). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 30
30CSEL 25:230–232
Sed ista, inquit, genera quinque illas naturas inhabitantia saeua erant atque pestifera. quasi ego in eis saeuitiam pestemque laudauerim. ecce, ego tecum uitupero, quae in illis mala esse criminaris, lauda tu mecum, quae in illis bona ipse commemoras: ita uidebis bona malis permixta te uelle constituere pro summo et extremo malo. uitupero ibi tecum pestem, lauda ibi mecum salutem; non enim genera illa uel gigni uel nutriri uel inhabitare illam terram sine aliqua salute potuissent. uitupero ibi tecum tenebras, lauda ibi mecum fecunditatem; tenebras enim dicis "inaestimabiles," et addis tamen "cum propriis fetibus," quamquam tenebrae non sunt corporeae totumque hoc nomen lucis absentia est, sicut nuditas carere uestitu et inanitas uacare corporis plenitudine; ac propterea tenebrae nihil gignere potuerunt, quamuis terra potuerit tenebrosa, id est carens luce aliquid gignere. sed interim hoc omittamus. fetus tamen ubi exoriuntur, et temperamentum est aptum saluti et quaedam concordia numerosa ordinat atque in unitatem coaedificat membra nascentium sibimet inuicem moderationis pace congruentia. quae omnia quis non intellegat maiore laude quam tenebras uituperatione dignanda? uitupero ibi tecum caenum turbidum aquarum, lauda ibi mecum et ipsam speciem qualitatemque aquarum et inhabitatorum natantium membra congruentia, uitam corpus continentem et regentem et omne temperamentum sui generis ualetudini adcommodatum. quantumuis enim aquas caenosas turbidasque reprehendas, eo tamen, quod tales aquas dicis, ut animantia sua possent et gignere et continere, speciem illis qualiscumque corporis et partium similitudinem, qua in unam formantur pacanturque qualitatem, auferre non potes, quia si abstuleris, nullum erit corpus: quae omnia, si es homo, sentis esse laudanda. et quantumuis illorum inhabitatorum saeuitiam et inter se impetus dilacerationis et uastationis exaggeres, non eis tamen adimis numerosos formarum terminos, quibus sibi singula eorum corpora membrorum parilitate pacata sunt, et temperamentum salutis, et moderamen animae partes sui corporis in unitatem amicitiae concordiaeque redigentis: quae si humano sensu intueris, uides plus esse laudanda quam illa uituperanda, quae displicent. uitupero ibi tecum horrorem uentorum, lauda ibi mecum eorundem uentorum spirabilem nutricemque naturam et speciem corporis conuenientia partium continuati atque diffusi: quibus rebus omnibus illos inhabitatores suos poterant et gignere et alere et salubriter continere eorumque inhabitatorum, cum cetera, quae in omnibus animantibus superiore ratione laudata sunt, tum proprie inpigros et faciles unde uelint et quo uelint transitus et alarum in uolatu concordem nisum et non inparem motum. uitupero ibi tecum corruptionem ignis, lauda ibi mecum genitabilem ignem et uigentem oportunamque eius temperationem nascentibus, et ut coalescerent et ut suis numeris liniamentisque perficerentur et ut uiuere atque habitare ibi possent: quae omnia non solum in ignis habitatione, sed in ipsis quoque habitantibus miranda et laudanda esse cognoscis. uitupero ibi tecum obscuritatem fumi et inmanitatem principis, qui in eo, sicut dicis, morabatur, lauda ibi mecum, quod uel in ipso fumo nullam partem inuenis dissimilem ceteris, ex quo in genere suo partium inter se suarum congruentiam modumque custodit. ut quadam unitate sit quod est: quae nemo sobrie considerat et non mirabiliter laudat. quid? quod etiam fumo addis uim potentiamque generandi, quando eidem quoque inhabitatores principes tribuis, ut quod hic numquam uidimus, ibi fumus fecundus sit et salubrem suis habitatoribus praebeat mansionem.
“But these kinds,” he says, “that inhabited those five natures were savage and pestilential.” As if I had praised savagery and pestilence in them! See, I join you in condemning what you charge as evil in them; you join me in praising what you yourself mention as good in them: so you will see that you want to set up, as the supreme and ultimate evil, goods mixed with evils. I condemn with you the pestilence there; praise with me the health there; for those kinds could not have been born or nourished or inhabited that land without some health. I condemn with you the darkness there; praise with me the fruitfulness there; for you call the darknesses “beyond reckoning” and yet add “with their own offspring,” although darkness is not corporeal and this whole name means the absence of light, just as nakedness is lack of clothing and emptiness is want of bodily fullness; and so darkness could beget nothing, though a dark land, that is, one lacking light, could beget something. But let us pass over this for now. Yet where offspring arise, there is both a balance suited to health and a certain harmony of numbers that arranges the members of those being born and builds them together into a unity, members fitting one another in the peace of due measure. Who would not understand that all these things deserve more praise than darkness deserves blame? I condemn with you the turbid mud of the waters there; praise with me the very form and quality of the waters, and the fitting members of their swimming inhabitants, the life that holds together and rules the body, and every balance of its kind adapted to health. For however much you censure the waters as muddy and turbid, yet by calling them waters such as could both beget and sustain their living creatures, you cannot take away from them the form of some kind of body and the likeness of parts by which they are formed and brought to peace in one quality; for if you took it away, there would be no body; and all these things, if you are a man, you perceive to be praiseworthy. And however much you exaggerate the savagery of those inhabitants and their assaults on one another, tearing and laying waste, you do not take away from them the numbered boundaries of their forms, by which each of their bodies is brought to peace with itself by the equality of its members, nor the balance of health, nor the governance of a soul that brings the parts of its body into a unity of friendship and harmony; and if you look at these with human sense, you see that they are more to be praised than those things which displease are to be condemned. I condemn with you the dreadfulness of the winds there; praise with me the breathable and nourishing nature of those same winds, and the form of a body continuous and spread out with fitting parts, by all of which they could beget and feed and healthily sustain their inhabitants; and, in those inhabitants, besides the other things praised above in all living creatures, in particular their swift and easy passage from wherever and to wherever they wish, and the harmonious effort and even motion of their wings in flight. I condemn with you the corruption of the fire there; praise with me the generative fire and its vigorous temperature, suited to those being born, so that they might grow together, be perfected in their own numbers and outlines, and be able to live and dwell there; you know that all these things are to be admired and praised, not only in the fire as a dwelling but also in its very inhabitants. I condemn with you the obscurity of the smoke and the monstrousness of the prince who, as you say, dwelt in it; praise with me that even in the smoke itself you find no part unlike the rest, whereby in its own kind it keeps the agreement and measure of its parts with one another, so that it is what it is by a certain unity; no one considers these things soberly without marvelous praise. What more? You even add to smoke the force and power of generating, since you give it inhabitants, princes too, so that, what we have never seen here, smoke there is fruitful and provides a healthy dwelling for its inhabitants.
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Summary: In each of Mani’s five dark natures Augustine praises the goods (health, fruitfulness, form, harmony, life) that Mani’s own description implies.
- The quoted phrases are from Mani’s Letter of the Foundation (see ch. 15).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (misread quotation mark and stop in the digital text): „inaestimabiles. → "inaestimabiles,".
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 30 (CSEL 25:230–232; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-30). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 31
31CSEL 25:232–233
Quod etiam in ipso fumi principe inmanitatem solam aduertisti, quam uituperares, nonne debuisti adtendere cetera, quae te in eius naturae laudem cogerent? habebat enim animam et corpus, illam uiuificantem, hoc uita inspiratum, cum illa regeret, hoc obtemperaret; illa praeiret, hoc subsequeretur; illa contineret, hoc non difflueret; illa moueret in numeros, hoc numerosa membrorum conpagine constabiliretur. nonne te ad laudem mouet in hoc uno principe uel pax ordinata uel ordo pacatus? quod autem de uno dictum est, hoc de ceteris intellegi licet. sed enim erat in alios ferus et inmanis. non hoc laudo, sed tanta illa, quae non uis adtendere. quae si uel admonitus intuetur atque considerat, quisquis Manichaeo temere credidit, sine dubitatione cognoscit, cum de istis naturis loquitur, de bonis quibusdam se loqui, sed non summis et infabricatis, sicuti est deus una trinitas, neque de his fabricatis, quae sublimiter ordinata sunt, sicuti sunt angeli sancti et beatissimae potestates, sed de infimis et pro sui generis modulo in imo rerum ordinatis bonis: quae dum conparantur superioribus, uituperandae ab inperitis existimantur, et dum consideratur, quantum his desit boni, quod illis adest, eiusdem boni absentia mali nomen tenet. et ego quidem propterea sic de istis naturis disputo, quoniam ea nominantur, quae in hoc mundo nota nobis sunt. nouimus enim tenebras, aquas, uentos, ignem, fumum; nouimus etiam animalia serpentia, natantia, uolantia, quadrupedia, bipedia: in quibus. omnibus exceptis tenebris, quae, ut dixi, nihil sunt aliud quam lucis absentia, quae oculis non uidendo discernuntur — sicut silentium auribus non audiendo — non quia tenebrae sunt aliquid, sed quia lux non est — sicut non quia silentium est aliquid, sed quia sonus non est — exceptis ergo tenebris in hac enumeratione ceterae naturae sunt et omnibus notae, quarum speciem, quia, in quantumcumque est, laudabilis et bona est, nemo prudens abalienat ab auctore omnium bonorum deo.
And as for your noticing only monstrousness in the prince of smoke himself, to condemn it, ought you not to have attended to the other things that would compel you to praise his nature? For he had a soul and a body: the one giving life, the other breathed into by life; the one ruling, the other obeying; the one leading, the other following; the one holding together, the other not flowing apart; the one moving in rhythm, the other made stable by the rhythmic framework of its members. Does not the ordered peace, or the peaceful order, in this one prince move you to praise? And what has been said of one may be understood of the rest. “But he was fierce and monstrous toward others.” I do not praise this, but those great things which you will not attend to. If anyone who rashly believed Mani looks at them and considers them, even after being reminded, he recognizes without doubt that, when Mani speaks of these natures, he is speaking of certain goods: not the highest and unmade ones, such as God the one Trinity is, nor those made ones which are ordered on high, such as the holy angels and most blessed powers are, but of the lowest goods, ordered at the bottom of things according to the measure of their kind. When these are compared with higher ones, the unlearned think them blameworthy; and when one considers how much good they lack that the others have, the absence of that same good takes the name of evil. And I argue about these natures in this way because the things named are those known to us in this world. For we know darkness, waters, winds, fire, smoke; we know also creeping, swimming, flying, four-footed, and two-footed animals. Among all these, except darkness (which, as I said, is nothing but the absence of light, discerned by the eyes by not seeing, as silence is discerned by the ears by not hearing; not because darkness is something, but because light is not, just as silence is not something, but sound is not), except darkness, then, the others in this list are natures and known to all; and since their form, to whatever degree it exists, is praiseworthy and good, no prudent man separates them from God, the author of all goods.
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Summary: Even the prince of smoke has the goods of an ordered soul and body; Mani’s dark natures are the lowest goods, and evil is the absence of good.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (stray mark): de * ceteris → de ceteris.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 31 (CSEL 25:232–233; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-31). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 32
32CSEL 25:233–236
Nam ille Manichaeus, sicut uoluit naturas, quas hic didicit, ordinare in phantasmatibus suis uelut in gente tenebrarum, omnino falsus esse conuincitur. primo quia tenebrae nihil possunt gignere, ut dictum est. sed non, inquit, tales erant illae tenebrae, quales hic nosti. unde ergo me de illis doces? an forte tam uerbosus doctrinae pollicitator cogis, ut credam? sed fac me credere. illud tamen scio, quod si non habebant aliquam speciem, sicut istae non habent, nihil generare potuerunt; si autem habebant, meliores erant. tu autem cum dicis non fuisse tales, quasi peiores aliquas credi cupis. posses dicere etiam silentium, quod sic est auribus ut tenebrae oculis, aliqua ibi surda uel muta animalia genuisse, ut, cum tibi diceretur non esse aliquam naturam silentium, responderes "sed non tale silentium, quale hic nosti," ut omnino quod uelles, diceres eis, quos semel, ut tibi crederent, decepisses. quamquam id, quod eum induxit, ut in tenebris serpentia nata esse confingeret, in ipsis quidem primordiis nascentium potuit bene animaduerti. sed sunt serpentes, qui tam acute uident et sic praesentia lucis exultant, ut grauissimum testimonium contra eum dicere uideantur. deinde in aquis natantia facile fuit hic discernere et ad illa transferre phantasmata; sic et in uentis uolantia, quoniam huius crassioris aeris inpulsus, in quo aues uolitant, uentus dicitur; in igni uero quadrupedia unde illi fingere in mentem uenerit, nescio. et tamen non frustra hoc dixit, sed parum adtendit et errauit nimis. hanc enim solent rationem reddere, quod quadrupedes edaces sint et in concubitum multum ferueant. sed multi homines edacitate sua superant quemlibet quadrupedem, qui certe bipedes sunt, quos non ignis, sed fumi esse filios dicit. anseribus uero non facile quicquam edacius inuenitur; quos siue in fumo ponat, quia bipedes sunt, siue in aquis, quia natare amant, siue in uentis, quia pennati sunt, et interdum uolant: ad ignem certe secundum eius distinctionem non pertinent. quod autem adtinet ad feruorem concubitus, credo eum animaduertisse hinnientes equos et saepe morsis frenis raptos in feminas: quod animaduersum dum uult cito scribere, non adtendit passerem parietinum, in cuius conparatione quiuis admissarius frigidissimus inuenitur. bipedes uero in fumo cum ab eis quaeritur quare ordinauerit, respondent elatum et superbum esse bipedum genus; hinc enim homines trahere originem dicunt; et quoniam fumus globosus et quasi tumidus in auras erigitur, superbis esse similem non absurde adtenderunt. quae animaduersio sufficere debuit ad aliquam similitudinem dandam de superbis hominibus, siue allegoriam uel formandam uel intellegendam; non tamen, ut ideo bipedes animantes in fumo et de fumo nati esse credantur. nam et in puluere nasci debuerunt, quia saepe non minore ambitu et elatione surgit in caelum; et in nebulis, quia plerumque de terra ita exhalantur, ut longe intuentibus incertum etiam faciant, fumusne an nebulae sint. postremo cur in aquis et uentis de habitandi patientia ad habitatores ductum est argumentum? quia uidemus et natantia in aquis et uolantia in uentis uiuere. ignis uero et fumus non deterruit hominem mentientem, ut puderet eum tales ibi habitatores constituere, quibus nihil constitueretur absurdius? nam quadrupedem ignis incendit atque corrumpit et bipedes fumus offocat et necat. uel hinc certe cogitur fateri se meliores dicere in gente tenebrarum istas fuisse naturas, ubi uult omnia peiora credi. siquidem ibi gignebat ignis quadrupedem et nutriebat et continebat innoxie uel etiam commodissime. similiter et fumus bipedes suos clementissimo sinu editos non solum sine molestia, sed uitaliter atque indulgenter usque in illum principatum educauerat et continebat. ita ostenduntur ista mendacia animaduersione rerum, quae uidentur in mundo, sed minus diligenti minusque sollerti carnali sensu concepta et phantasmatis parturita et temeritate edita atque conscripta haereticorum numerum auxisse.
For Mani, insofar as he wished to arrange the natures he learned here in his phantasms as if in the race of darkness, is proved to be altogether wrong. First, because darkness can beget nothing, as has been said. “But,” he says, “that darkness was not such as you know here.” Whence, then, do you teach me about it? Or perhaps, wordy promiser of teaching that you are, you compel me to believe? But suppose I believe. This I know, at least: if it had no form, as this darkness has none, it could beget nothing; but if it had, it was better. Yet when you say it was not such, you want it believed to be somehow worse. You could also say that silence, which is to the ears what darkness is to the eyes, begot some deaf or dumb animals there, so that, when told that silence is not any nature, you might answer, “But not such silence as you know here,” and so say whatever you liked to those whom you had once deceived into believing you. Though what led him to invent that creeping things were born in darkness could well be observed in the very beginnings of those being born. But there are serpents that see so sharply and rejoice so much in the presence of light that they seem to bear the weightiest testimony against him. Next, it was easy to discern swimming things in waters here and transfer them to those phantasms; so too flying things in winds, since the movement of this thicker air in which birds fly is called wind; but whence it came into his mind to invent four-footed things in fire, I do not know. And yet he did not say this without reason, but he paid too little attention and erred greatly. For they usually give this reason: that four-footed animals are voracious and very hot in mating. But many men, who are certainly two-footed, surpass any four-footed animal in voracity, and he says they are children not of fire but of smoke. And nothing can easily be found more voracious than geese; whether he puts them in smoke because they are two-footed, or in the waters because they love to swim, or in the winds because they are feathered and sometimes fly, certainly according to his distinction they do not belong to fire. As for heat in mating, I suppose he had noticed horses neighing and often rushing at mares, champing the bit; and in wanting to write this observation down quickly, he did not notice the house sparrow, compared with which any stallion is found very cold. When they are asked why he placed two-footed things in smoke, they answer that the two-footed kind is proud and lofty, for they say men take their origin from it; and since smoke rises into the air in round and swelling clouds, they noticed, not absurdly, that it is like the proud. This observation should have sufficed to furnish some likeness for proud men, or to form or understand an allegory; but not so that two-footed animals should therefore be believed to have been born in smoke and of smoke. For then they ought to have been born in dust too, since it often rises to the sky with no less spreading and loftiness; and in mists, since these are often exhaled from the earth so that to those watching from afar it is uncertain whether they are smoke or mist. Finally, why in the case of waters and winds was the argument drawn from the dwelling’s being endurable for its inhabitants? Because we see swimming things living in waters and flying things in winds. But did fire and smoke not deter the lying man, so that he would be ashamed to place there inhabitants than whom nothing could be placed more absurdly? For fire burns and destroys a four-footed animal, and smoke chokes and kills two-footed ones. Here at least he is forced to admit that he says these natures were better in the race of darkness, where he wants everything believed to be worse; since there fire begot a four-footed animal and nourished and sustained it harmlessly or even most comfortably, and likewise smoke had brought up its two-footed creatures, born in its most gentle bosom, not only without harm but with life and indulgence, even to that princely rule, and sustained them. Thus these lies are shown to have arisen from observing things seen in the world, but conceived by a carnal sense that was not careful or shrewd enough, brought to birth by phantasms, and put forth and written down by rashness, and so to have increased the number of heretics.
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Summary: Mani borrowed his five dark natures and their creatures from things seen in this world, but arranged them absurdly, as the examples of serpents, geese, sparrows, fire, and smoke show.
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- Digital text corrected (stray mark; words run together in the digital text): indulgenterusque → indulgenter usque; ca.rnali → carnali.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 32 (CSEL 25:233–236; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-32). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 33
33CSEL 25:236–237
Sed illo genere magis urgendi sunt, ut intellegant, si possunt, quam uere in catholica dicatur omnium naturarum esse auctorem deum. quo de genere superius agebam, cum dicerem: uitupero tecum pestem, caecitatem, caenositatem turbidam, horribilem uehementiam, corruptibilitatem, inmanitatem principum et his similia; lauda tu mecum speciem, distinctionem, ordinationem, pacem, unitatem formarum, membrorum congruentias et numerosas parilitates, uitalia spiramenta et nutrimenta, temperamentum salutis, regimen et moderamen animae famulatusque corporum, similitudinem concordiamque partium in singulis naturis uel quae habitabant uel quae habitabantur et cetera huiusmodi. sic enim intellegunt, si tamen sine pertinacia uelint adtendere, iam et bona et mala se miscere, cum loquuntur de illa terra, ubi solum et summum malum fuisse crediderunt, itaque, si tollantur illa, quae mala enumerata sunt, bona illa, quae laudata sunt, sine ulla uituperatione remanere; si autem bona ipsa tollantur, nullam remanere naturam. ex quo iam uidet, qui potest uidere, omnem naturam, in quantum natura est, bonum esse, quia ex una eademque re, in qua et ego, quod laudarem, et ille, quod uituperaret, inuenit, si tollantur ea, quae bona sunt, natura nulla erit; si autem tollantur ea, quae displicent, incorrupta natura remanebit. tolle de aquis, ut sint caenosae et turbidae, remanent aquae purae atque tranquillae; tolle de aquis partium concordiam, non erunt aquae. si ergo malo illo adempto manet natura purgatior, bono autem detracto non manet ulla natura, hoc ibi facit naturam, quod bonum habet; quod autem malum, non natura, sed contra naturam est. tolle de uentis horrorem et nimium inpetum, qui tibi displicet, potes cogitare uentos lenes atque moderatos; tolle de uentis partium similitudinem, qua eorum corpus in unitatem continuatur et sibi pacatur, ut corpus sit, nulla suberit natura, quam cogites. longum est persequi cetera; sed manifestum est eis, qui nullo studio partium iudicant, cum istae naturae commemorantur, adiungi eis quaedam, quibus displiceant; quae cum detrahimus, naturae meliores manent. unde intellegitur eas, in quantum naturae sunt, bonas esse, quia cum eis uicissim omne, quod bonum habent, detraxeris. naturae nullae erunt. animaduertite etiam, qui recte uultis iudicare, illum quoque principem inmanem; cui si auferatur inmanitas, adtendite quanta laudabilia remanebunt: conpago corporis, membrorum hinc atque inde. congruentia, formae unitas et pax contextarum inter se partium, animae regentis et uegetantis famulantisque et uegetati corporis ordo et dispositio. quae omnia si auferantur, et si qua forte minus enumeraui, nulla prorsus natura subsistet.
But they must rather be pressed by that kind of argument, so that they may understand, if they can, how truly it is said in the Catholic Church that God is the author of all natures. I was dealing with that kind of argument above when I said: I condemn with you the pestilence, the blindness, the turbid muddiness, the horrible violence, the corruptibility, the monstrousness of the princes, and the like; you praise with me the form, the distinction, the arrangement, the peace, the unity of forms, the fitting of members and their rhythmic equalities, the vital breathings and nourishments, the balance of health, the rule and governance of the soul and the service of bodies, the likeness and harmony of parts in each nature, whether of the inhabitants or of what was inhabited, and other things of this kind. For thus they understand, if only they will attend without obstinacy, that they are mixing good and evil when they speak of that land where they believed there was only the supreme evil; and so, if those things listed as evil are taken away, the goods that have been praised remain without any blame; but if the goods themselves are taken away, no nature remains. From this, whoever can see sees that every nature, insofar as it is a nature, is good; for in one and the same thing, in which both I found something to praise and he something to blame, if what is good is taken away, there will be no nature; but if what displeases is taken away, the nature will remain uncorrupted. Take from the waters their being muddy and turbid, and pure and calm waters remain; take from the waters the harmony of their parts, and there will be no waters. If, then, when that evil is removed the nature remains purer, but when the good is withdrawn no nature remains, it is what it has of good that makes it a nature there; what it has of evil is not nature but against nature. Take from the winds the dreadfulness and excessive force that displeases you, and you can think of gentle and moderate winds; take from the winds the likeness of parts by which their body is held together in unity and at peace with itself, so as to be a body, and no nature will remain for you to think of. It would be long to go through the rest; but it is clear to those who judge with no partisan zeal that, when these natures are mentioned, certain things are attached to them because of which they displease, and when we take these away, the natures remain better. From this it is understood that they are good insofar as they are natures, since if you take away from them in turn all the good they have, there will be no natures. Consider also, you who wish to judge rightly, that monstrous prince: if monstrousness is taken from him, see how many praiseworthy things will remain: the framework of the body, the fitting of the members on this side and that, the unity of form and the peace of the parts woven together, the order and arrangement of a soul that rules, quickens, and is served, and of a body that is quickened. If all these are taken away, and anything else perhaps that I have not listed, no nature at all will remain.
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Summary: Every nature, insofar as it is a nature, is good: remove the evils and the nature remains better, remove the goods and nothing remains.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 33 (CSEL 25:236–237; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-33). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 34
34CSEL 25:237–239
Sed fortasse dicatis illa mala de talibus naturis non posse auferri et ideo naturalia debere accipi. non nunc quaeritur, quid possit uel non possit auferri, sed certe non paruum lumen est ad intellegendum omnes naturas, in quantum naturae sunt. bonas esse, quod sine illis malis cogitari bona illa possunt, sine bonis autem illis nulla natura cogitari potest. nam sine turbatione caeni possum aquas cogitare, sine pace autem continuatarum partium nulla species corporis animo occurrit, aut ullo modo sentiri potest. ac per hoc nec illae caenosae aquae sine isto bono esse potuerunt, quo bono fiebat, ut aliqua natura corporea posset esse. nam quod dicitis, quod illa mala de naturis talibus non possunt auferri, respondetur, quod et illa bona de naturis talibus non possunt auferri. cur ergo istas res propter mala, quae auferri non posse arbitramini, mala naturalia uocare uultis, propter ea bona uero, quae auferri non posse conuincimini, bona naturalia uocare non uultis? Restat, ut quaeratis — nam ipsa solet esse uox ultima — unde sint illa mala, quae mihi quoque displicere dicebam. respondebo fortasse. si uos prius dixeritis, unde sint illa bona, quae uos quoque laudare cogimini, si absurdissimi cordis esse non uultis. sed quid ego istud quaeram, cum utrique fateamur omnia, quaecumque et quantacumque bona sunt, ab uno esse deo, qui summe bonus est? resistite ergo uos ipsi Manichaeo, qui tot et tanta bona, quae commemorauimus iusteque laudauimus, pacem concordiamque partium in unaquaque natura, salutem ualentiamque animantium et cetera, quae repetere iam piget, ita in terra conmenticia tenebrarum esse arbitratus est, ut ab illo deo, quem bonorum omnium fatetur auctorem, alienare conaretur. non enim ea bona uidit, dum hoc solum adtendit, quod displiceret, tamquam si quispiam leonis fremitu exterritus et eum intuens trahentem ac dilaniantem pecorum aut hominum corpora, quaecumque adprehendisset, puerili quadam infirmitate animi tanto timore percelleretur, ut solam feritatem leonis intuens atque saeuitiam, cetera eius neglegens omnino atque praeteriens naturam illius animantis non tantum malum, sed magnum malum esse clamaret, tanto scilicet exaggeratius, quanto timidius; at si edomita feritate duci leonem mansuetum uideret, praesertim si numquam antea fuisset de illa bestia territus, tunc uacaret securo atque intrepido leonis pulchritudinem considerare atque laudare. de quo ego nihil dicam, nisi quod ad rem maxime pertinet, fieri posse, ut aliqua natura offendat ex aliquo et in totam nascatur odium, cum manifestum sit multo meliorem esse speciem uerae ac uiuae bestiae, etiam cum terret in siluis, quam imitatae atque simulatae, cum in pariete picta laudatur. hoc ergo errore ille nos non decipiat nec caecos faciat ad considerandas naturarum species, cum quaedam in eis ita reprehendit, ut omni ex parte cogat displicere, quod omni ex parte reprehendere non potest. atque hoc modo animum ad aequum iudicium conponentes quaeramus iam, unde sint cum illis bonis mala, quae me quoque inprobare dicebam. quod facilius uidebimus, si in unum nomen potuerimus cuncta conferre.
But perhaps you will say that those evils cannot be taken away from such natures and are therefore to be accepted as natural. The question now is not what can or cannot be taken away; but it is certainly no small light for understanding that all natures, insofar as they are natures, are good, that those goods can be thought of without those evils, but no nature can be thought of without those goods. For I can think of waters without the disturbance of mud, but without the peace of continuous parts no form of body comes to mind or can in any way be perceived. And for this reason even those muddy waters could not have existed without this good, by which it came about that any bodily nature could exist. As for your saying that those evils cannot be taken away from such natures, the answer is that those goods cannot be taken away from such natures either. Why, then, do you want to call these things natural evils because of the evils which you think cannot be taken away, and do not want to call them natural goods because of the goods which you are shown cannot be taken away? It remains for you to ask (for this is usually the last word) whence come those evils which I said displease me too. I will answer, perhaps, if you first say whence come those goods which you too are compelled to praise, unless you want to be of a most absurd heart. But why should I ask this, since both of us confess that all goods, of whatever kind and however great, are from the one God, who is supremely good? Resist Mani yourselves, then, who thought that so many and such great goods as we have mentioned and justly praised (the peace and harmony of parts in each nature, the health and strength of living creatures, and the rest, which it is tiresome to repeat) were in his invented land of darkness in such a way that he tried to separate them from that God whom he confesses to be the author of all goods. For he did not see those goods while he attended only to what displeased him, as if someone, terrified by a lion’s roar and seeing it dragging and tearing the bodies of cattle or men, whatever it had seized, were struck with such fear by a childish weakness of mind that, looking only at the lion’s fierceness and savagery and wholly neglecting and passing over its other qualities, he cried out that the nature of that animal was not only an evil but a great evil, the more exaggeratedly the more fearfully; but if he saw a lion, its fierceness tamed, being led along gentle, especially if he had never before been frightened by that beast, then he would be at leisure, secure and fearless, to consider and praise the lion’s beauty. On this I will say nothing except what is most to the point: it can happen that some nature gives offense in some respect and hatred arises against the whole of it, although it is plain that the form of a real and living beast, even when it terrifies in the woods, is much better than that of an imitated and feigned one, when it is praised painted on a wall. Let him not deceive us, then, by this error, nor make us blind to considering the forms of natures, when he so censures certain things in them as to compel them to displease in every respect, though he cannot censure them in every respect. And composing our mind in this way to a fair judgment, let us now ask whence come, together with those goods, the evils which I said I too disapprove. We will see this more easily if we can bring them all under one name.
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Summary: The goods in natures can be thought of without their evils but not the reverse; Mani, like a man frightened by a lion, saw only what displeased him and missed the goods that come from God.
Topics: Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 34 (CSEL 25:237–239; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-34). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Chapter 35
35CSEL 25:239–241
Quis enim dubitet totum illud quod dicitur malum nihil esse aliud quam corruptionem? possunt quidem aliis atque aliis uocabulis alia atque alia mala nominari, sed quod omnium rerum malum sit, in quibus mali aliquid animaduerti potest, corruptio est. sed corruptio peritae animae inperitia uocatur; corruptio prudentis inprudentia; corruptio iustae iniustitia; corruptio fortis ignauia; corruptio quietae atque tranquillae cupiditas uel metus uel tristitia uel iactantia; deinde in corpore animato corruptio sanitatis dolor et morbus; corruptio uirium lassitudo; corruptio quietis labor; deinde in ipso solo corpore corruptio pulchritudinis foeditas; corruptio rectitudinis prauitas; corruptio ordinis peruersitas; corruptio integritatis discissio aut fractura aut diminutio. longum est et difficile et harum rerum, quas commemoraui, et aliarum innumerabilium omnes corruptiones nominatim enuntiare, cum etiam multae, quae dicuntur in corpore, possint et in anima dici et innumerabilia sint, in quibus propria uocabula corruptio teneat. uerumtamen uidere iam facile est nihil nocere corruptionem, nisi quod labefacit naturalem statum, et ideo eam non esse naturam, sed contra naturam. quodsi non inuenitur in rebus malum nisi corruptio et corruptio non est natura, nulla utique natura malum est. Sed si hoc forte intellegere non ualetis, illud adtendite, quod omne, quod corrumpitur, bono aliquo minuitur, quia si non corrumperetur, incorruptum esset; si uero etiam non posset omnino corrumpi, incorruptibile esset. necesse est autem, ut siue incorruptio siue incorruptibilitas bonum sit, si malum est corruptio. sed nunc de incorruptibili natura nulla quaestio est; de his agitur, quae possunt corrumpi quae dum non corrumpuntur, incorrupta dici possunt, incorruptibilia non possunt. illud enim solum incorruptibile proprie dicitur, quod non tantum non corrumpitur, sed etiam nulla ex parte corrumpi potest. incorrupta ergo quaecumque sunt et tamen corrumpi possunt, cum corrumpi coeperint, eo ipso bono minuuntur, quo incorrupta erant, et magno quidem bono, quia magnum malum est corruptio; et quamdiu in eis augeri corruptio potest, tamdiu habent bonum, quo minuantur. quapropter naturae illae, quas in terra tenebrarum fuisse confingit. aut poterant corrumpi aut non poterant. si non poterant, incorruptibiles erant, quo bono superius nihil est. si poterant, aut corrumpebantur, aut non corrumpebantur; si non corrumpebantur, incorruptae erant, quod uidemus dici sine magna laude non posse; si autem corrumpebantur, minuebantur illo tam magno bono; si minuebantur quo bono, habebant bonum, quo minuerentur. quodsi habebant bonum, non erant naturae illae summum malum et omnis Manichaei fabula falsa est.
For who would doubt that all that is called evil is nothing other than corruption? Different evils can indeed be named by different words, but what is the evil of all things in which any evil can be noticed is corruption. The corruption of a learned soul is called ignorance; the corruption of a prudent one, imprudence; of a just one, injustice; of a brave one, cowardice; of a calm and tranquil one, desire or fear or sadness or boastfulness. Then, in an animate body, the corruption of health is pain and disease; the corruption of strength, weariness; the corruption of rest, toil. Then, in the body alone, the corruption of beauty is ugliness; the corruption of straightness, crookedness; the corruption of order, disorder; the corruption of wholeness, splitting or breaking or diminishing. It would be long and difficult to name individually all the corruptions of the things I have mentioned and of countless others, since many that are spoken of in the body can also be spoken of in the soul, and there are countless cases in which corruption has its own names. Yet it is now easy to see that corruption does no harm except by undermining a natural state, and therefore that it is not a nature but against nature. But if no evil is found in things except corruption, and corruption is not a nature, then certainly no nature is evil. But if perhaps you cannot understand this, attend to this: everything that is corrupted is diminished in some good; for if it were not corrupted, it would be uncorrupted; and if it could not be corrupted at all, it would be incorruptible. Now if corruption is an evil, incorruption and incorruptibility must be goods. But there is no question now about an incorruptible nature; the discussion is about things that can be corrupted, which, while they are not corrupted, can be called uncorrupted, but not incorruptible. For only that is properly called incorruptible which not only is not corrupted but cannot be corrupted in any part. So whatever things are uncorrupted and yet can be corrupted, when they begin to be corrupted, are diminished in that very good by which they were uncorrupted, and a great good indeed, since corruption is a great evil; and as long as corruption can increase in them, so long they have a good in which to be diminished. Therefore those natures which he imagines to have been in the land of darkness either could be corrupted or could not. If they could not, they were incorruptible, and there is no good higher than that. If they could, either they were being corrupted or they were not. If they were not, they were uncorrupted, which we see cannot be said without great praise. But if they were being corrupted, they were being diminished in that so great good; if they were being diminished in a good, they had a good in which to be diminished. And if they had a good, those natures were not the supreme evil, and the whole fable of Mani is false.
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Summary: All evil is corruption, which is not a nature but against nature; whatever is corrupted loses some good, so Mani’s dark natures cannot be the supreme evil.
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip; line-break hyphen and stray mark): tristitia uec iactantia → tristitia uel iactantia; nulla quaesito est → nulla quaestio est; incor-. ruptibilia → incorruptibilia.
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 35 (CSEL 25:239–241; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-35). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).
Chapter 36
36CSEL 25:241–242
Sed quoniam quaesiuimus, quid esset malum, neque hoc naturam, sed contra naturam esse cognouimus, consequenter quaerendum est, unde sit: quod ille si fecisset, minus fortasse in has tanti erroris angustias laberetur. praepropere quippe ac praepostere quaesiuit, unde esset, quod primo non quaesierat, quid esset; et ideo nullo modo potuerunt quaerenti occurrere nisi uana phantasmata, quibus difficile animus carnalibus sensibus multum pastus exuitur. dicet ergo aliquis non iam certare, sed non errare desiderans: unde est ista corruptio, quod quasi generale malum rerum bonarum, sed tamen corruptibilium esse conperimus? qui talis quaerit, cito inuenit magno ardore uerum petens et constanti perseuerantia pulsans pie. per homines enim commemoratio aliqua signis uerborum fieri potest; docet autem unus uerus magister, ipsa incorruptibilis ueritas, solus magister interior: qui etiam exterior factus est, ut nos ab exterioribus ad interiora reuocaret, et formam serui accipiens, ut surgentibus eius sublimitas innotesceret, iacentibus humilis adparere dignatus est. in eius nomine subplices simus et per eum misericordiam patris inplorantes ista quaeramus. primo enim breuissime responderi potest quaerentibus, unde corruptio est, cum dicitur: ex eo, quod hae naturae, quae corrumpi possunt, non de deo genitae, sed ab illo de nihilo factae sunt: quas quoniam bonas superior ratio demonstrauit, nemo potest recte dicere "non fecisset deus bona"; si autem dixerit "summe bona ea fecisset" oportet intellegat summum bonum ipsum esse, qui fecit haec bona.
But since we have asked what evil is, and have learned that it is not a nature but against nature, we must next ask whence it is; and if Mani had done this, he would perhaps have slipped less into these straits of so great an error. For he asked too hastily and in the wrong order whence it came, when he had not first asked what it was; and so nothing could present itself to him as he asked except vain phantasms, of which a mind much fed by the carnal senses is stripped only with difficulty. Someone, then, desiring now not to contend but not to err, will say: Whence is this corruption, which we have found to be, as it were, the general evil of things that are good but corruptible? One who asks in this way soon finds, seeking the truth with great ardor and knocking with constant and godly perseverance. For through men some reminding can be done by the signs of words; but the one who teaches is the one true teacher, incorruptible truth itself, the only inner teacher, who also became outward, to call us back from outward things to inward ones, and, taking the form of a servant, so that his sublimity might become known to those rising up, deigned to appear lowly to those lying down. Let us be suppliants in his name, and, imploring the Father’s mercy through him, let us seek these things. To those who ask whence corruption is, a very brief first answer can be given: it comes from this, that these natures which can be corrupted were not begotten of God but made by him from nothing. Since the reasoning above has shown them to be good, no one can rightly say, “God should not have made good things”; and if anyone says, “He should have made them supremely good,” he must understand that the supreme good is he himself who made these goods.
Phil 2:7 (allusion, high confidence) · Matt 7:7–8 (allusion, medium confidence) · Matt 23:8 (echo, low confidence)
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Summary: Mani asked where evil comes from before asking what it is; corruption arises because creatures were made by God from nothing, not begotten of him.
- “Taking the form of a servant” alludes to Phil 2:7; “knocking” to Matt 7:7–8. The “one inner teacher” is Christ (cf. Matt 23:8, 10).
Notes on the original text
- Digital text corrected (OCR slip and line-break hyphen): quo- Diam bonas → quoniam bonas.
Topics: Christology, Heresy
Cite (SBL): Augustine, Ep. fund. 36 (CSEL 25:241–242; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/augustine-contra-epistulam-fundamenti/27/#p-36). (abbreviation not yet checked)
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Translation: Translated by Claude (Opus) from the Latin of Zycha (CSEL 25.1, 1891); each batch compared afterwards with the public-domain translation in NPNF¹ 4 (1887).