Against the Nations 3.39–4.16

Latin text: CSEL 4 (Latin text: A. Reifferscheid (CSEL 4, 1875), digitized by Open Greek and Latin, University of Leipzig (csel-dev), CC BY-SA 4.0).English: Claude (claude-opus-5-5), public domain (CC0). Compare: Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 6 (1886).

Show

Chapter 3

3.39CSEL 4:137–138

sunt praeterea nonnulli, qui ex hominibus diuos factos hac praedicant appellatione signari, ut est Hercules Romulus Aesculapius Liber Aeneas. sententiae, ut apparet, diuersae sunt haec omnes, neque fieri per rerum naturam potest, ut qui opinionibus differunt ueritatis unius habeantur auctores. si enim Pisonis sententia uera est, Aelius et Granius mentiuntur, si quod dicitur ab his certum est, peritissimus errat Varro, qui rebus in substantia constitutis inanissimas subdit et res cassas. si nouenarius numerus cognomen Nouensilium ducit, Cornificius balare conuincitur, qui nouitati praesidentibus diuis alienae potentiae uim donat. quodsi opinio Cornificii uera est, inprudens Cincius inuenitur, qui urbium uictarum deos potestate adficit Nouensilium numinum. quodsi hi sunt quos Cincius praedicat, Manilius dicere reperietur falsum, qui alieni fulminis iaculatores sub istius uocaminis appellatione concludit. quodsi exploratum et uerum est id quod Manilius autumat, in errore sunt hi maximo qui honoribus diuinis auctos consecratosque mortales Nouensiles ab nouitate honoris existimant nuncupari. quodsi Nouensiles hi sunt qui meruerunt ad sidera subleuari, postquam sunt uitae mortalitate defuncti, nulli prorsus Nouensiles di sunt. ut enim serui milites magistri non sunt personarum subiacentium nomina sed officiorum, condicionum et munerum, ita cum Nouensiles dicimus, si nomen est istud eorum qui ex hominibus meruerunt dii esse, manifestum et promptum est, non personas specialiter definitas sed nouitatem ipsam cognomine Nouensilium nuncupari.

There are besides some who declare that men made gods are signified by this name, such as Hercules, Romulus, Aesculapius, Liber, Aeneas. These opinions, as appears, are all different, and it cannot happen in the nature of things that those who differ in their opinions should be held to be authors of one truth. For if Piso's opinion is true, Aelius and Granius are lying; if what they say is certain, the most learned Varro errs, who substitutes the emptiest and vainest things for things established in substance. If the number nine gives the Novensiles their name, Cornificius is convicted of bleating nonsense, who gives the force of another's power to gods presiding over renewal. If Cornificius's opinion is true, Cincius is found imprudent, who endows the gods of conquered cities with the power of the Novensile deities. If they are those whom Cincius declares, Manilius will be found to say what is false, who includes under this name the hurlers of another's thunderbolt. If what Manilius asserts is ascertained and true, those are in the greatest error who think that mortals exalted and consecrated with divine honors are called Novensiles from the newness of their honor. And if the Novensiles are those who deserved to be raised to the stars after they finished the mortality of life, there are no Novensile gods at all. For as slaves, soldiers, and masters are not names of the persons underlying them but of offices, conditions, and functions, so when we say Novensiles, if this is the name of those who from men deserved to be gods, it is plain and evident that not specially defined persons but newness itself is named by the title Novensiles.

Notes and citation

Summary: The contradictory explanations of the Novensiles refute one another, and on one view the name denotes no persons at all.

  • 'balare' ('to bleat') is taken as a mocking word for talking nonsense. Two stray periods in the digital text are removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): enim. Pisonis → enim Pisonis; subleuari., postquam → subleuari, postquam.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 3.39 (CSEL 4:137–138; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-3-39). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-3-39) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

3.40CSEL 4:138

Nigidius Penates deos Neptunum esse atque Apollinem prodidit, qui quondam muris immortalibus Ilium condicione adiuncta cinxerunt. idem rursus in libro sexto exponit et decimo disciplinas Etruscas sequens, genera esse Penatium quattuor et esse Iouis ex his alios, alios Neptuni, inferorum tertios, mortalium hominum quartos, inexplicabile nescio quid dicens. Caesius et ipse eas sequens Fortunam arbitratur et Cererem, Genium Iouialem ac Palem, sed non illam feminam quam uulgaritas accipit sed masculini nescio quem generis ministrum Iouis ac uilicum. Varro qui sunt introrsus atque in intimis penetralibus caeli deos esse censet quos loquimur nec eorum numerum nec nomina sciri. hos Consentes et Complices Etrusci aiunt et nominant, quod una oriantur et occidant una, sex mares et totidem feminas, nominibus ignotis et miserationis parcissimae; sed eos summi Iouis consiliarios ac participes existimari. nec defuerunt qui scriberent Iouem, Iunonem ac Mineruam deos Penates existere, sine quibus uiuere ac sapere nequeamus, sed qui penitus nos regant ratione, calore ac spiritu. ut uidetis, et hic quoque nihil concinens dicitur, nihil una pronuntiatione finitur, nec est aliquid fidum, quo insistere mens possit ueritati † suae proxime suspicione coniciens. ita enim labant sententiae alteraque opinione ab altera conuellitur, ut aut nihil ex omnibus uerum sit aut si ab aliquo dicitur, tot rerum diuersitatibus nesciatur.

Nigidius declared that the Penates are Neptune and Apollo, who once, on an agreed condition, surrounded Ilium with immortal walls. Again, in his sixteenth book, following the Etruscan lore, he sets out that there are four kinds of Penates: some of Jupiter, others of Neptune, a third kind of the underworld, and a fourth of mortal men, saying something inexplicable. Caesius, also following that lore, thinks they are Fortune and Ceres, the Genius Jovialis, and Pales, not the female whom the common people accept, but some male attendant and steward of Jupiter. Varro thinks that the gods we speak of are those within and in the inmost recesses of heaven, and that neither their number nor their names are known. The Etruscans say and name them the Consentes and Complices, because they rise together and set together, six males and as many females, of unknown names and very sparing of pity; but they are thought to be the counselors and partners of supreme Jupiter. Nor have there been lacking those who wrote that Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva are the Penates, without whom we cannot live and think, but who rule us inwardly by reason, heat, and breath. As you see, here too nothing harmonious is said, nothing is settled by a single statement, nor is there anything trustworthy on which the mind can rest, conjecturing ... the truth most nearly by guess. For the opinions totter so, and one opinion is torn up by another, that either nothing of all is true, or, if the truth is told by someone, it is not known amid so many differences.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Pagan authorities disagree completely about who the Penates are.

  • The Etruscan 'Consentes' were twelve counselor gods. A word is corrupt before 'the truth' ('† suae'). A stray period after 'concinens' in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): concinens. dicitur → concinens dicitur.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 3.40 (CSEL 4:138; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-3-40). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-3-40) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

3.41CSEL 4:138–139

possumus, si uidetur, summatim aliquid et de Laribus dicere, quos arbitratur uulgus uicorum atque itinerum deos esse ex eo quod Graecia uicos cognominat λαύρας. in diuersis Nigidius scriptis modo tectorum domumque custodes, modo Curetas illos, qui occultasse perhibentur Iouis aeribus aliquando uagitum, modo dicit Digitos Samothracios, quos quinque indicant Graeci, * Idaeos Dactylos nuncupari. Varro similiter haesitans nunc esse illos Manes et ideo Maniam matrem esse cognominatam Larum, nunc aerios rursus deos et heroas pronuntiat appellari, nunc antiquorum sententias sequens Laruas esse dicit Lares, quasi quosdam genios et functorum animas [mortuorum].

We can, if you like, say something briefly about the Lares too, whom the common people think are gods of streets and roads, because Greece calls streets laurai. In different writings Nigidius says now that they are guardians of houses and dwellings, now that they are those Curetes who are said once to have hidden the wailing of Jupiter with the clashing of bronze, now that they are the Samothracian Fingers, whom the Greeks call five in number, ... named the Idaean Dactyls. Varro, similarly hesitating, declares now that they are the Manes, and that therefore Mania is called the mother of the Lares; now again that they are gods of the air and are called heroes; now, following the opinions of the ancients, he says that the Lares are Larvae, as it were certain genii and the souls of the departed.

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Nigidius and Varro give conflicting accounts of what the Lares are.

  • The Curetes clashed their weapons to drown the cries of the infant Jupiter; the Idaean Dactyls ('Fingers') were legendary smiths. A gap is marked in the edition before 'named'. The edition deletes 'mortuorum' ('of the dead') as a gloss. The Greek word appears in the digital text as 'XCCVQVCS', a misreading of λαύρας; corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (Greek word misread as Latin capitals in the digital text): XCCVQVCS → λαύρας.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 3.41 (CSEL 4:138–139; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-3-41). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-3-41) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

3.42CSEL 4:139–140

infinitum est et inmensum, species ire per singulas atque ipsis facere promptum libris, nullum esse a uobis deum neque existimatum neque creditum, de quo non ambiguas discrepantisque sententias opinionum mille uarietatibus prompseritis. sed breuitatis et fastidii causa satis haec est dixisse quae dicta sunt, et est operosum nimis coaceruare in unum multa, cum ex uno et ex altero manifestum fiat et pateat haesitare, labare nec quicquam uos certi de his rebus quas adseritis dicere. nisi forte dicetis: etiamsi personaliter ignoramus qui sunt Lares, qui sunt Nouensiles, qui Penates, esse illos tamen consensio ipsa uindicat auctorum et in numeris caelitum formam sui generis optinere. et quemadmodum poterit an sit deus aliquis sciri, si ignorabitur et nescietur quid sit, aut postulatio ipsa beneficiorum ualere, si exploratum non erit, non certum, quis ad quamque debeat consultationem uocari? omnis enim qui quaerit alicuius numinis impetrare responsum, debet necessario scire, cui supplicet, quem imploret, a quo rebus auxilia et necessitatibus exposcat humanis, maxime cum uos ipsi et non omnes omnia deos posse praestare et dissimillimis ritibus singulorum animos referatis offensionesque placari.

It would be endless and immeasurable to go through each kind and make it plain from the books themselves that there is no god considered or believed in by you about whom you have not put forth ambiguous and conflicting opinions in a thousand varieties. But for brevity's sake and to avoid tedium it is enough to have said what has been said, and it is too laborious to heap many things together, when from one or two it becomes clear and evident that you hesitate and waver and say nothing certain about the things you assert. Unless perhaps you will say: 'Even if we do not know personally who the Lares are, who the Novensiles, who the Penates, still the very agreement of the authorities vindicates their existence and establishes that they hold the form of their kind among the number of the heavenly beings.' And how can it be known whether someone is a god, if what he is will be unknown and not known? Or how can the very request for benefits avail, if it will not be ascertained and certain who ought to be called for each consultation? For everyone who seeks to obtain an answer from some deity must necessarily know to whom he prays, whom he implores, from whom he asks help in human affairs and needs; especially since you yourselves report that not all gods can provide all things, and that the minds and offenses of each are appeased by very different rites.

Notes and citation

Summary: If worshipers do not know who the gods are, they cannot know whom to ask for help or how to appease them.

  • A stray period after 'quamque' in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): quamque. debeat → quamque debeat.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 3.42 (CSEL 4:139–140; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-3-42). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-3-42) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

3.43CSEL 4:140

etenim si hic atram, ille albam desiderat pellem, huic capite uelato, illi sacrificandum est nudo, de matrimoniis ille consulitur, hic medellas incommoditatibus praestat, interesse non potest nihil, an sit ille Nouensilis, an ille, cum ignoratio rerum, personarum confusio et deos cogat offendi et necessario piaculum contrahi? finge enim me ipsum incommoditatis alicuius et declinandi periculi causa horum cuipiam numinum supplicare dicentem: adeste, adestote dii Penates, tu Apollo tuque Neptune omniaque haec mala quibus uror torreor uexor uestri numinis auerruncate clementia: eritne spes aliqua referendae ab his opis, si Ceres Pales Fortuna, Iouialis aut Genius, non Neptunus et Apollo Penates dii erunt? aut si Curetas pro Laribus inuocaro, quos esse Digitos Samothracios pars uestrorum adseuerat auctorum, quemadmodum his potero auxiliatoribus et propitiis uti, cum neque his sua et aliena illis inposuero cognomina? usque adeo res exigit propriatim deos scire, nec ambigere nec dubitare de uniuscuiusque ui nominis, ne si alienis ritibus et appellationibus fuerint inuocati, et aures habeant structas et piaculis nos teneant inexpiabilibus obligatos.

For if this god wants a black hide and that one a white; if one must be sacrificed to with the head veiled and another with it bare; if one is consulted about marriages and another provides remedies for troubles: it cannot make no difference whether this or that one is the Novensile, since ignorance of the facts and confusion of persons both force the gods to be offended and necessarily incur guilt requiring atonement. For imagine me praying to one of these deities to escape some trouble and avert danger, saying: 'Be present, be present, gods Penates, you Apollo and you Neptune, and by the mercy of your divinity avert all these evils by which I am burned, scorched, and troubled.' Will there be any hope of receiving help from them, if Ceres, Pales, Fortune, Jovialis, or the Genius, and not Neptune and Apollo, are the Penates? Or if I invoke the Curetes as Lares, whom part of your authors assert to be the Samothracian Fingers, how shall I be able to have them as helpers and well-disposed, when I shall have given these not their own names and those names not their own? So far does the matter demand that the gods be known individually, and that there be no uncertainty or doubt about the power of each one's name, lest, if they are invoked with others' rites and titles, they keep their ears closed and hold us bound by inexpiable guilt.

Notes and citation

Summary: A prayer addressed to the wrong gods under the wrong names would anger them rather than win their help.

  • 'structas' ('closed') is probably shortened from 'obstructas'; translated by sense.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 3.43 (CSEL 4:140; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-3-43). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-3-43) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

3.44CSEL 4:140–142

quare si uobis liquet, in sublimibus palatiis caeli habitare, consistere multitudinem istam quam enumeratis deorum, in unius proloquii finibus conuenit uos stare nec per uarias distractos repugnantesque sententias fidem ipsis rebus quas struitis derogare. si Ianus est, Ianus sit, si Liber est, Liber sit, si Summanus, Summanus sit: hoc est enim confidere, hoc tenere, exploratae in rei cognitione defigi, non more caecorum atque errantium dicere: Nouensiles Musae sunt, Trebiani quinimmo dii sunt, immo nouenarius numerus, subuersarum potius uel urbium praesides, et in id periculum perducere res tantas, ut dum alios tollitis et reponitis alios, possit iure de cunctis an sint ulla in parte dubitari.

So if it is clear to you that this multitude of gods which you enumerate dwells and abides in the lofty palaces of heaven, you ought to stand within the bounds of a single statement, and not, pulled apart through various and conflicting opinions, destroy the credibility of the very things you build up. If it is Janus, let it be Janus; if Liber, let it be Liber; if Summanus, let it be Summanus: for this is to trust, this is to hold, to be fixed in the knowledge of an ascertained thing; not, like the blind and wandering, to say: 'The Novensiles are the Muses; no, they are the gods of Trebia; no, the number nine; or rather the guardians of overthrown cities', and to bring such great things into this danger, that while you take away some and put others in their place, it may rightly be doubted of all of them whether they exist in any part at all.

Notes and citation

Summary: Because the pagans constantly replace one account of their gods with another, it is doubtful whether any of them exist.

  • The digital text splits 'sublimibus' with a stray 't5' and has two stray periods; these are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text; word split with stray characters in the digital text): sub- t5 limibus → sublimibus; sententias. fidem → sententias fidem; hoc. tenere → hoc tenere.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 3.44 (CSEL 4:140–142; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-3-44). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-3-44) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

Chapter 4

4.1CSEL 4:142

Interrogare uos libet ipsosque ante omnia Romanos, dominos rerum ac principes, utrumne existimetis Pietatem Concordiam Salutem Honorem Virtutem Felicitatem ceteraque huiusmodi nomina quibus aras uidemus a uobis cum magnificis exaedificatas delubris uim habere diuinam caelique in regionibus degere an ita ut adsolet dicis causa, ex eo quod optamus et uolumus bona ista nobis contingere, superorum retuleritis in censum? nam si uerba existimantes haec cassa et nullius substantiae nomina diuinis tamen regionibus consecratis, erit uobis uidendum, Utrumne istud puerile sit ludicrum an uestrorum numinum delusionem spectans, quibus coaequatis et adiungitis inanium figmenta uerborum? sin autem ex animi certiore sententia deos esse et haec rati templis et puluinaribus honorastis, inscitiam nostram ut doceatis oramus: Victoria Pax Aequitas et cetera quae in superioribus dicta sunt quanam ratione, qua uia intellegi possunt dii esse atque ad superorum concilium pertinere?

I would like to ask you, and above all the Romans themselves, lords and rulers of the world: do you think that Piety, Concord, Safety, Honor, Virtue, Happiness, and the other names of this kind, to which we see you have built altars with magnificent shrines, have divine power and dwell in the regions of heaven? Or have you, as usually happens, entered them in the roll of the gods above for form's sake, because we wish and want these good things to befall us? For if, thinking these are empty words and names without substance, you nevertheless consecrate them to the divine regions, you will have to consider whether this is a childish game or aims at mocking your deities, to whom you equate and join the fictions of empty words. But if, from a firmer conviction of mind, you have honored these too with temples and sacred couches, thinking them gods, we beg you to teach our ignorance: in what way, by what path, can Victory, Peace, Equity, and the others mentioned above be understood to be gods and to belong to the council of the gods above?

Notes and citation

Summary: Arnobius asks whether the Roman deified virtues, such as Piety, Concord, and Victory, are real gods or mere names.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.1 (CSEL 4:142; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-1). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-1) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.2CSEL 4:142–143

nos enim, nisi forte communem tollitis nobis atque eripitis sensum, nihil horum sentimus et cernimus habere uim numinis neque in aliqua contineri sui generis forma, sed esse uirtutem uiri, salutem salui, honorem honorati, uictoris uictoriam, concordis concordiam, pietatem pii, memoriam memoris, feliciter uero uiuentis ac sine ullis offensionibus felicitatem. quod a nobis uerissime dici ex contrariis promptum est et oppositionibus noscitare, infelicitate discordia obliuione iniquitate impietate ignauia pectoris et ualetudine corporis minus fausta. ut enim haec accidunt hominibus hominumque sunt posita in actionibus, adfectibus fortuitis, ita quod illis aduersum est et ex qualitatibus benignioribus nominatur, in aliis necesse est haereat, ex quibus ita formatis figuratio ista concepta est nominum.

For we, unless perhaps you take away and snatch from us common sense, perceive and see that none of these has the power of a deity or is contained in any form of its own kind; rather, virtue is the virtue of a man, safety of one who is safe, honor of one who is honored, victory of a victor, concord of the concordant, piety of the pious, memory of one who remembers, and happiness of one who lives happily and without any misfortunes. That this is said by us most truly is evident from the contraries and can be recognized from the opposites: unhappiness, discord, forgetfulness, injustice, impiety, cowardice of heart, and poor health of body. For as these happen to people and are found in human actions and chance feelings, so what is opposed to them and named from kinder qualities must reside in others, from whom, thus formed, this fashioning of names was conceived.

Notes and citation

Summary: Virtues and blessings are qualities of people, not divine beings, as their opposites show.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.2 (CSEL 4:142–143; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-2). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-2) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.3CSEL 4:143

nam quod nobis cateruas ignotorum alias inducitis deorum, existimare non possumus, utrumne istud serio atque ex rei compertae faciatis fide an fictionibus ludentes cassis ingeniorum lasciuiatis per luxum. quod abiectis infantibus pepercit lupa non mitis, Luperca, inquit, dea est auctore appellata Varrone. ex rerum ergo prouentu, non ex ui naturae dea ista est prodita? et postquam feros morsus immanis prohibuit belua, et ipsa esse occepit et ipsius nominis significantiam traxit? aut si fuit iamdudum dea, priusquam Romulus nasceretur et frater, cuius fuerit nominis atque appellationis expromite; Praestana est, ut perhibetis, dicta, quod Quirinus in iaculi missione cunctorum praestiterit uiribus: et quod Tito Tatio, Capitolinum ut capiat collem, uiam pandere atque aperire permissum est, dea Panda est appellata uel Pantica. ante facta et haec ergo numquam fuerant numina et nisi Romulus tenuisset teli traiectione palatium neque Tarpeiam rupem rex Sabinus potuisset accipere, nulla esset Pantica, nulla Praestana esset? si et has dicitis ante sui causam fuisse cognominis, quod in priore quaesitum est capite, cuius et hae fuerint uocaminis indicate.

As for your bringing in other troops of unknown gods, we cannot judge whether you do it seriously and in the belief of an ascertained fact, or whether, playing with empty fictions of the imagination, you frolic in extravagance. 'Because a she-wolf, not gentle by nature, spared the abandoned infants,' he says, 'she was called the goddess Luperca, on the authority of Varro.' Was this goddess, then, produced by the outcome of events, not by the force of nature? And after the savage beast held back its fierce bites, did she herself begin to exist and draw the meaning of her very name from it? Or if she was a goddess long before Romulus and his brother were born, tell us what her name and title was. Praestana was so called, as you say, because Quirinus surpassed (praestiterit) the strength of all in throwing the javelin; and because Titus Tatius was allowed to open and lay open (pandere) the way to take the Capitoline hill, a goddess was called Panda or Pantica. So these too had never been deities before the deeds; and unless Romulus had held the Palatine by the cast of his spear, and unless the Sabine king had been able to take the Tarpeian rock, would there be no Pantica and no Praestana? If you say that these too existed before the cause of their name, then, as was asked in the previous point, tell us what their names were.

Notes and citation

Summary: Gods like Luperca, Praestana, and Panda are named from events of Roman legend; if they existed before, what were they called?

  • Arnobius cites Varro for these etymologies. 'nique' in the digital text is corrected to 'neque'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): nique Tarpeiam → neque Tarpeiam.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.3 (CSEL 4:143; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-3). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-3) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.4CSEL 4:144

pellendorum hostium dea potens Pellonia est. quorumne, nisi molestum est, edite. confligunt partes atque inter se comminus armorum collatione decernunt, et haec illi est pars hostis et illa huic hostilis: quos ergo Pellonia, cum hinc et inde pugnabitur, pellet; aut in gratiam concessura est quorum, cum utrique debeat parti sui nominis uires officiumque praestare? quod si utique fecerit, id est partibus si utrisque fauorem ac suffragium commodarit, nominis sui uim perdet, quod partis unius in pulsione formatum est. nisi forte dicetis: Romanorum tantum est dea haec et cum solis Quiritibus faciens gratiosis semper opitulationibus praesto est. esse quidem hoc ita, quod nomini fauemus, optamus, at quaestionem non exiguam res habet. quid enim? Romani deos possident peculiares, qui aliarum gentium non sint? et quemadmodum poterunt dii esse, si non omnibus quae ubique sunt gentes aequabilitatem sui nominis exhibebunt? et ubi quaeso iamdudum Pellonia haec fuit, cum apud furculas Caudinas decus publicum subiugatum est, cum apud Trasimeni lacum sanguinei cucurrere torrentes, cum Diomedis campi Romanis cadaueribus aggerati sunt, cum mille alia uulnera proeliorum innumeris accepta sunt cladibus? dormiebat, stertebat, aut quod uilia facere consueta sunt capita, in hostilia castra defugerat?

Pellonia is a goddess mighty in driving away (pellendis) enemies. Tell us, if it is not troublesome: whose enemies? Sides clash and decide the issue between them in close combat with weapons, and this side is the enemy of that, and that hostile to this: whom, then, will Pellonia drive away when there is fighting on both sides? Or to whom will she yield her favor, when she ought to give the power and service of her name to both sides? If she does so, that is, if she gives favor and support to both sides, she will lose the force of her name, which was formed for driving away one side. Unless perhaps you will say: 'This goddess belongs to the Romans only, and, siding with the Quirites alone, is always ready with favorable help.' We would indeed wish it were so, for we favor the name; but the matter raises no small question. For what? Do the Romans possess gods of their own, who do not belong to other nations? And how can they be gods if they do not show the evenness of their name to all nations everywhere? And where, I ask, was this Pellonia long ago, when the public honor was sent under the yoke at the Caudine Forks, when torrents of blood ran at Lake Trasimene, when the plains of Diomedes were heaped with Roman corpses, when a thousand other wounds of battle were received in countless defeats? Was she sleeping, snoring, or, as base persons usually do, had she deserted to the enemy's camp?

Notes and citation

Summary: A goddess Pellonia who drives off enemies could not serve both sides in a battle, and she did not save Rome from its great defeats.

  • The Caudine Forks (321 BC), Lake Trasimene (217 BC), and the 'plains of Diomedes' (Cannae, 216 BC) were famous Roman defeats.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.4 (CSEL 4:144; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-4). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-4) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.5CSEL 4:144–146

dii laeui, deae laeuae sinistrarum tantum regionum sunt praesides et inimici partium dexterarum. quod quanam istud ratione dicatur quoue animi sensu, neque ipsi nos adsequimur nec a uobis confidimus posse in aliquam lucem communis intellegentiae perduci. iam primum enim mundus ipse per se sibi neque dexteras neque laeuas neque superas regiones neque imas neque anticas habet neque posticas. quicquid enim teres est atque ex omni parte rotunditatis solidae conuexione conclusum, nullum habet initium, nullum finem: ubi finis et initium nullum est, esse aliqua portio sui nominis [et initium] non potest. itaque cum dicimus: dextera haec regio est, et illa laeua, non ad mundi habitum dicimus, qui sui simillimus totus est, sed ad positionem nostram situmque reuocamus, qui informati sic sumus, ut alia dextera, alia in nos dicantur esse laeua: quae tamen haec ipsa, quae laeua appellamus et dextera, in nobis nihil habent perpetuum, nihil fixum, sed prout nos casus atque euentus conlocauerit temporis, ita nostris sumunt ab lateribus figurationes. si orientem solem respexero, cardo mihi frigoris et septentrio fit laeuus: in quem si ora traduxero, erit mihi sinister occasus, qui ab sole posterganeus habebatur. rursus uero si iecero plagam in occiduam lumina, in uocabulum sinistri auster et meridies transit: in quam si me partem necessaria temporis circumegerit ratio, fit ut oriens laeuus inmutata corporis conuersione dicatur. qua ex re poterit facillime recognosci, neque dextera neque laeua natura esse ulla sed positionibus, sed temporibus, sed prout nostri corporis habuerit se situs rerum ad circumstantiam collocatus. quod cum ita se habeat, quanam ratione, quo pacto sinistrarum partium dii erunt, cum easdem constiterit regiones modo dexteras fieri modo laeuas? aut quo dexterae meruerunt de immortalibus dis partes, ut sine ullis praesidibus degerent, quas esse faustas et prosperis semper cum ominibus ediderunt?

The left gods and left goddesses preside only over the left-hand regions and are enemies of the right-hand parts. On what principle or in what sense of mind this is said, we neither grasp ourselves nor trust that you can bring it into any light of common understanding. For first, the world itself in itself has no right or left regions, no upper or lower, no front or back. For whatever is round and enclosed on every side by the convexity of solid roundness has no beginning and no end; and where there is no end and no beginning, there cannot be any part of that name. So when we say, 'This region is right, and that left', we do not say it with respect to the state of the world, which is wholly alike to itself, but we refer it to our position and situation, since we are so formed that some things are said to be on our right and others on our left. Yet these very things we call left and right have nothing permanent, nothing fixed in us, but take their shapes from our sides according as chance and the event of the moment have placed us. If I look toward the rising sun, the pole of cold and the north becomes my left; if I turn my face toward it, the west, which was behind my back with respect to the sun, will be on my left. Again, if I cast my eyes toward the west, the south and midday pass into the name of left; and if the necessary course of time turns me around to that part, it happens that the east is called left by the change of my body's direction. From this it can very easily be recognized that nothing is right or left by nature, but by positions, by times, according as the situation of our body is placed with respect to the surroundings of things. Since this is so, on what principle, in what way, will there be gods of the left-hand parts, when it is established that the same regions become now right and now left? Or how have the right-hand parts deserved it of the immortal gods to live without any guardians, the parts which they have always declared lucky and attended with favorable omens?

Notes and citation

Summary: Gods assigned to the left-hand regions make no sense, since left and right exist only relative to the observer.

  • Roman augury distinguished favorable and unfavorable sides of the sky. The edition deletes a repeated 'et initium'. 'cam' in the digital text is corrected to 'cum'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): cam ominibus → cum ominibus.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.5 (CSEL 4:144–146; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-5). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-5) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.6CSEL 4:146

Lateranus, ut dicitis, deus est focorum et genius adfectusque hoc nomine, quod ex laterculis ab hominibus crudis caminorum istud exaedificetur genus. quid ergo? si testa aut materia fuerint quacumque alia fabricati foci, genios non habebunt, et ab officio tutelae quisquis iste est Lateranus abscedet, quod regni sui possessio non luteis constructa est formis? et quid, quaeso, ut faciat, praesidatum focorum deus iste sortitus est? per humani generis coquinas currit inspiciens et explorans, quibusnam lignorum generibus suis ardor in foculis excitetur, habitudinem fictilibus contribuit uasculis ne flammarum dissiliant ui uicta, curat ut ad sensum palati suis cum iucunditatibus ueniant rerum incorruptarum sapores, et an rite pulmenta condita sint praegustatoris fungitur atque experitur officio. itane istud non foedum, quinimmo, ut uerius dixerim, non contumeliosum, non impium, ad hoc tantum inducere deorum nescio quas fictiones, non quas dignis honoribus prosequare sed quas rebus turpibus et infami praeficias actioni?

Lateranus, as you say, is the god and genius of hearths, and received this name because this kind of fireplace is built by people from unbaked bricks (laterculi). What then? If hearths are made of earthenware or any other material, will they have no genii, and will this Lateranus, whoever he is, withdraw from his office of guardianship because the possession of his kingdom is not built of clay forms? And what, I ask, does this god, who has drawn the presidency of hearths, do? Does he run through the kitchens of the human race, inspecting and exploring what kinds of wood are used to kindle the heat in his hearths; does he give strength to earthen pots so that they do not burst, overcome by the force of the flames; does he see to it that the flavors of unspoiled food come to the sense of the palate with their pleasantness; and does he perform the office of a taster, testing whether the dishes are properly seasoned? Is this not foul, or rather, to speak more truly, is it not insulting and impious to bring in some fictions of gods merely for this purpose, not to honor them with worthy honors, but to set them over base things and shameful activity?

Notes and citation

Summary: Arnobius mocks Lateranus, a god of brick hearths, as a divine cook's assistant.

  • 'dens' in the digital text is corrected to 'deus'.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text): dens est focorum → deus est focorum.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.6 (CSEL 4:146; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-6). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-6) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.7CSEL 4:146–147

etiamne militaris Venus castrensibus flagitiis praesidet et puerorum stupris? etiamne Perfica una est e populo numinum, quae obscenas illas et luteas uoluptates ad exitum perficit dulcedine inoffensa procedere? etiamne Pertunda, quae in cubiculis praesto est uirginalem scrobem effodientibus maritis? etiamne Tutunus, cuius inmanibus pudendis horrentique fascino uestras inequitare matronas et auspicabile ducitis et optatis? quodsi minime uos admouent ad intellectum ueritatis res ipsae, nec ex ipsis saltem potestis nominibus noscere inanissimae superstitionis figmenta haec esse et falsorum imaginationes deorum? putationibus arborum Puta, inquitis, praesto est, rebus petendis Peta, deus nemorum Nemestrinus est, Patellana numen est et Patella, ex quibus una est patefactis, patefaciendis rebus altera praestituta. Nodutis dicitur deus, qui ad nodos perducit res satas, et quae praeest frugibus terendis, Noduterensis: ab erroribus uiarum dea † Ypibilia liberat, in tutela sunt Orbonae orbati liberis parentes, in Neniae, quibus extrema sunt tempora. iam quae durat et solidat infantibus paruis ossa Ossipago ipsa memoratur, Mellonia dea est pollens potensque in apibus, mellis curans custodiensque dulcedinem.

Does military Venus also preside over the shameful doings of the camp and the debauching of boys? Is Perfica also one of the populace of deities, who makes those obscene and filthy pleasures proceed to completion with unhindered sweetness? Pertunda too, who is present in bedrooms when husbands dig through the virginal trench? Tutunus too, on whose huge private parts and bristling member you think it lucky and desirable for your matrons to ride? But if the facts themselves do not move you at all to understand the truth, can you not at least recognize from the names themselves that these are the fictions of the emptiest superstition and the imaginings of false gods? Puta, you say, is present at the pruning (putationes) of trees, Peta at asking (petendis) for things; Nemestrinus is the god of groves (nemora); Patellana is a deity and so is Patella, one of whom is set over things opened (patefactis), the other over things to be opened. Nodutis is said to be the god who brings sown crops to the knots (nodos); and the goddess who presides over threshing (terendis) crops is Noduterensis; the goddess ... frees from wandering off roads; parents bereaved (orbati) of children are under the guardianship of Orbona, and those whose last hours have come under Nenia's. Now she who hardens and solidifies the bones (ossa) of little infants is called Ossipago herself; Mellonia is a goddess powerful and mighty among bees, caring for and guarding the sweetness of honey (mel).

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Arnobius lists obscene and trivial Roman deities, whose names reveal them as inventions.

  • These deities of marriage, agriculture, and daily life come from the Roman priestly lists (indigitamenta), known to Arnobius largely through Varro. The name of the goddess of roads is corrupt ('† Ypibilia'; editors read Viabilia). The digital text has 'etiamhe' and two stray periods; these are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): etiamhe → etiamne; noscere. inanissimae → noscere inanissimae; res. satas → res satas.

Extrabiblical texts: Varro (Varro; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.7 (CSEL 4:146–147; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-7). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-7) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.8CSEL 4:147–148

dicite, o quaeso isti, ut uobis propitiae faueant Pete Puta Patella, si omnino non essent apes ullae in terris, aut si exos genus humanum uelut quidam uermiculi nasceremur, dea Mellonia non esset aut Ossipago solidatrix ossuum nomen proprium non haberet? etenim quaero et rogito, utrumne uobis uideantur antiquiores dii esse natura tempore uetustate an homines, an apes fruges uirgulta et cetera? dubitabit hominum nemo, quin innumeris dicatis deos aetatibus, saeculis cuncta quaecumque sunt anteire. quod si habet se ita, qui fieri per rerum naturam potest, ut ex rebus postea procreatis acciperent nomina ea quae sunt priora temporibus aut tutelas sortirentur earum dii rerum quae nondum essent genitae et in usum mortalibus adtributae? an numquid iamdudum sine nominibus dii erant, et postquam res nasci terrisque inesse coeperunt, his a uobis dignati sunt signis atque appellationibus nuncupari? et unde scire potuistis, quae nomina singulis inderetis, cum esse illos ignoraretis omnino aut inesse potentias his certas, cum esset uobis similiter nescium, quisnam eorum quid posset et cui rei deberet pro sui numinis potestate praeponi?

Tell me, I pray you, so that Peta, Puta, and Patella may favor you: if there were no bees at all on earth, or if we human beings were born boneless like some little worms, would the goddess Mellonia not exist, or would Ossipago, the solidifier of bones, not have her own name? For I ask and ask again: do the gods seem to you older by nature, time, and antiquity than human beings, or than bees, crops, shrubs, and the rest? No one will doubt that you say the gods precede all things that exist by countless ages and generations. If this is so, how can it happen in the nature of things that beings earlier in time should receive names from things produced later, or that the gods should have drawn the guardianship of things not yet born and given to mortals for their use? Or were the gods long without names, and after things began to be born and to exist on earth, were they deemed worthy by you to be called by these marks and titles? And how could you know what names to give each, when you did not know at all that they existed or that certain powers were in them, since it was likewise unknown to you which of them could do what and over what thing each ought to be set according to the power of its divinity?

Notes and citation

Summary: Gods older than the world could not have taken their names from later things like bees and bones, and humans could not know which names to give them.

  • A stray period after 'similiter' in the digital text is removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray period in the digital text): similiter. nescium → similiter nescium.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.8 (CSEL 4:147–148; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-8). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-8) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.9CSEL 4:148

quid ergo, inquitis, hos deos nusquam esse gentium iudicatis et falsis opinationibus constitutos? non istud nos soli, sed ueritas ipsa dicit et ratio et ille communis qui est cunctis in mortalibus sensus. qui est enim qui credat esse deos Lucrios et lucrorum consecutionibus praesidere, cum ex turpibus causis frequentissime ueniant et aliorum semper ex dispendiis constent? quis Libentinam, quis † Burnum libidinum superesse tutelis, quas iubet sapientia fugere et quas mille per species propudiosa experitur et exercet obscenitas? quis Limentinum, quis Limam custodiam liminum gerere et ianitorum officia sustinere, cum fanorum limina cotidie uideamus et priuatarum domorum conuelli et subrui nec sine his esse flagitiosos ad lupanaria commeatus? quis curatores obliquitatum Limos, quis Saturnum praesidem sationis, quis Montinum montium, quis segnium Murcidam? quis ad extremum deam Pecuniam esse credat, quam uelut maximum numen uestrae indicant litterae donare anulos aureos, loca in ludis atque in spectaculis priora, honorum suggestus summos, amplitudinem magistratus, et quod maxime pigri ament, securum per opulentias otium.

'What then,' you say, 'do you judge that these gods exist nowhere at all and have been established by false opinions?' Not we alone say this, but truth itself, and reason, and that common sense which is in all mortals. For who would believe that there are Lucrian gods who preside over the gaining of profits (lucra), when profits very often come from shameful causes and always consist of others' losses? Who would believe that Libentina and ... watch over lusts, which wisdom bids us flee and which shameless obscenity tries and practices in a thousand forms? Who would believe that Limentinus and Lima keep watch over thresholds (limina) and perform the duties of doorkeepers, when we see the thresholds of shrines and of private houses torn down and undermined every day, and the shameful goings to the brothels are not without them? Who would believe in the Limi, guardians of crookedness, in Saturn, guardian of sowing, in Montinus of mountains, in Murcida of the sluggish? Who, finally, would believe that there is a goddess Money, whom your literature shows, as though she were the greatest deity, giving gold rings, front seats at games and shows, the highest platforms of honors, the grandeur of magistracy, and, what the lazy love most, carefree leisure through wealth?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Gods of profit, lust, thresholds, and money cannot be real, since the things they supposedly guard are often shameful or unprotected.

  • A name is corrupt ('† Burnum').

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.9 (CSEL 4:148; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-9). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-9) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.10CSEL 4:148–149

quodsi habent in sedibus diuinis suos proprios praesides ossa, mella et limina ceteraque alia, quae uel cursim perstrinximus uel nimietatis non adtigimus taedio, licet consimili ratione mille alios deos inducere, qui rebus innumeris debeant suam curam custodiamque praebere. cur enim deus praesit melli uni tantummodo, non praesit cucurbitis, rapis, non cunelae, nasturtio, non uiciis betaceis caulibus? cur sola meruerint ossa tutelam, non meruerint ungues pili ceteraque alia locis posita in obscuris et uerecundioribus partibus, etsi sunt casibus obnoxia plurimis et curam magis deorum diligentiamque desiderant? aut si et has dicitis partes suis agere sub tutelatoribus diuis, incipient totidem dii esse quot res sunt: nec explicabitur ratio, cur non rebus omnibus diuinae praesideant curae, si certas res esse quibus praesint numina et prouideant dixeritis.

But if bones, honey, thresholds, and all the other things we have either touched on in passing or left untouched to avoid excessive tedium have their own guardians in the divine seats, it is possible on the same principle to bring in a thousand other gods, who must give their care and protection to countless things. For why should a god preside over honey alone, and not over gourds, turnips, savory, cress, vetches, beets, and cabbages? Why should bones alone have deserved guardianship, and not nails, hair, and all the other things placed in hidden and more modest parts, though they are exposed to very many accidents and need the gods' care and attention more? Or if you say that these parts too are under guardian gods, there will begin to be as many gods as there are things; and no reason will be given why divine care should not preside over all things, if you say there are certain things over which deities preside and provide.

Notes and citation

Summary: If honey and bones have gods, every vegetable and bodily part should have one too, and there would be as many gods as things.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.10 (CSEL 4:148–149; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-10). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-10) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.11CSEL 4:149–150

quid dicitis, o patres nouarum religionum, quid potestatum? hoscine a nobis deos uiolari et neglegi sacrilego clamitatis queritaminique contemptu, Lateranum genium focorum, Limentinum praesidem liminum, Pertundam Perficam Noduterensem? et quia non supplices Mutuno procumbimus atque Tutuno, ad interitum res lapsas atque ipsum dicitis mundum leges suas et constituta mutasse? atquin uidete, perspicite, ne tum talia confingitis monstra talia atque molimini, deos offenderitis certissimos, si modo sunt ulli qui istius nominis mereantur sustinere atque habere fastigium, nec propter aliam causam mala ista quae dicitis ferueant et cotidianis accessionibus insolescant. cur ergo, e uobis fortasse aliquis dixerit, esse falsum est istos deos? et inuocati ab haruspicibus parent, et suis acciti nominibus ueniunt et fidelia reddunt responsa quaerentibus. possumus optinere falsum esse quod dicitur, uel quod superstitionibus plenissima res tota est, uel quod multas cotidie praedictionum uidemus aut aliter cadere aut in contrarios exitus frustrata expectatione torqueri.

What do you say, you fathers of new religions and new powers? Do you cry out and complain that these gods are violated and neglected by us with sacrilegious contempt: Lateranus, genius of hearths, Limentinus, guardian of thresholds, Pertunda, Perfica, Noduterensis? And because we do not fall down as suppliants before Mutunus and Tutunus, do you say that affairs have slipped into ruin, and that the world itself has changed its laws and ordinances? But look and consider whether, when you invent and devise such monsters, you have not offended the true gods, if there are any who deserve to bear and hold the dignity of that name, and whether it is not for this reason that the evils you speak of boil up and grow worse with daily additions. 'Why then,' perhaps one of you will say, 'is it false that these gods exist? They obey when invoked by the soothsayers, come when summoned by their names, and give faithful answers to those who ask.' We can maintain that what is said is false, either because the whole matter is full of superstitions, or because we see every day many predictions either fall out otherwise or be twisted into contrary outcomes, with expectation disappointed.

Notes and citation

Summary: If any gods exist, the pagans' absurd inventions would offend them; and the answers given by soothsayers are often false.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.11 (CSEL 4:149–150; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-11). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-11) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.12CSEL 4:150

sed sint, ut adseritis, uerae: unde tamen facietis fidem, Melloniam uerbi causa uel Limentinum inserere se fibris et ad rerum quas quaeritis significantias aptare? numquid illorum aliquando uidistis os habitum faciem, aut eadem haec possunt in pulmonibus aut iecusculis conspici? nonne accidere fieri, licet astu dissimuletis, potest ut alter pro altero subeat fallens ludens decipiens atque inuocati speciem praestans? si magi, haruspicum fratres, suis in accitionibus memorant antitheos saepius obrepere pro accitis, esse autem hos quosdam materiis ex crassioribus spiritus, qui deos se fingant nesciosque mendaciis et simulationibus ludant, cur non ratione non dispari credamus hic quoque subicere se alios pro eis qui non sunt, ut et uestras opinationes firment et sibi hostias caedi alienis sub nominibus gaudeant?

But let them be true, as you assert: how will you prove that Mellonia, for example, or Limentinus enters the entrails and fits them to the meanings of the things you ask about? Have you ever seen their face, bearing, and features, or can these be seen in lungs or little livers? Can it not happen, however cunningly you conceal it, that one comes in place of another, deceiving, playing, tricking, and presenting the appearance of the one invoked? If the magi, the brothers of the soothsayers, report that in their summonings 'counter-gods' often creep in in place of those summoned, and that these are certain spirits of grosser matter who pretend to be gods and mock the ignorant with lies and pretenses, why should we not believe on a like principle that here too others substitute themselves for those who do not exist, both to confirm your opinions and to rejoice that victims are slaughtered for themselves under others' names?

Notes and citation

Summary: Even if omens are real, deceiving spirits may answer in the name of the gods invoked, as the magi themselves admit.

  • The 'counter-gods' (antithei) of magical lore; Arnobius identifies such spirits with the demons. Stray marks in the digital text are removed.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (stray mark in the digital text; stray punctuation in the digital text): materiis • ex → materiis ex; alios* pro → alios pro; sibi: hostias → sibi hostias.

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.12 (CSEL 4:150; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-12). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-12) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.13CSEL 4:150–151

aut si haec accipere rei nouitate renuitis, unde uobis est scire, an sit unus aliquis, qui succedat pro omnibus quos inuocatis partibusque se cunctis locorum diuisionibusque supponens multorum nobis speciem diuorum praebeat et potestatum? quisnam iste est unus? interrogabit forte. possumus instituti ueris auctoribus dicere, sed ne nobis fidem habere nolitis, Aegyptios Persas Indos Chaldaeos Armenios interroget omnesque illos alios, qui interioribus uiderunt et cognouerunt haec artibus: iam profecto discetis, quisnam sit deus unus uel sub eo qui plurimi, qui deos se fingant et humani generis inprudentiam ludant. iamdudum nos pudet ad eum locum uenire, in quo risum tenere non possunt non tantum puerculi et procaces, uerum etiam serii atque in oris taetrici asperitatem durati. nam cum a doctoribus omnes nostris insinuatum acceperimus et traditum, in declinationibus deorum pluratiuos numeros non esse, quod essent dii singuli, nec communiter ire per plurimos uniuscuiusque nominis proprietas quiret, immemores uos facti et puerilium, disciplinarum recordatione consopita et conplures subditis uocabulis isdem deos et cum sitis alias in eorum numero restrictiores, multiplices eos rursus cognominum societate fecistis: quam quidem olim partem iudicii acris uiri atque ingenio perspicaci tam sermone Italo explicuere quam Graeco. et dare nobis conpendium potuisset res ista, si non et aliquos uideremus litterarum esse istarum expertes, et institutus a nobis sermo nos quoque conpelleret, nonnihil de his rebus quamuis ab illis sumptum commemoratumque depromere.

Or if you refuse to accept this because it is new, how can you know whether there is one single being who takes the place of all whom you invoke, and, putting himself in all the parts and divisions of places, presents to us the appearance of many gods and powers? 'Who is this one?' someone may ask. We can say, taught by true authorities; but so that you may not refuse to believe us, let him ask the Egyptians, Persians, Indians, Chaldaeans, Armenians, and all those others who have seen and learned these things by more secret arts: you will surely learn who the one god is, or who are the very many under him who pretend to be gods and mock the ignorance of the human race. We have long been ashamed to come to that point at which not only little boys and saucy fellows cannot keep from laughing, but even serious people hardened into sternness of face. For since we have all received it as taught and handed down by our teachers that in the declension of gods' names there are no plural numbers, because the gods are individuals and the particularity of each one's name cannot be shared in common by many, you, forgetting this fact and with the memory of your childhood schooling put to sleep, have both supplied several gods under the same names, and, though elsewhere you are rather restrictive in their number, have made them manifold again by sharing titles. This part men of keen judgment and penetrating mind once explained in both the Italian and the Greek language. And that fact could have given us a shortcut, if we did not see that some are unacquainted with that literature, and if the discourse we have undertaken did not compel us also to set out something on these matters, though taken and recorded from them.

Notes and citation

Summary: Perhaps one being, and the spirits under him, impersonates all the gods; and the pagans absurdly multiply gods who share the same names.

  • The 'one' behind the many false gods is evidently the chief of the demons, as the magi of various nations are said to know. The 'men of keen judgment' include Cicero (On the Nature of the Gods 3.53–60). The digital text has 'diuisionibusq ae'; corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (word broken in the digital text): diuisionibusq ae → diuisionibusque.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Nat. d. 3.53–60 (Cicero; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.13 (CSEL 4:150–151; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-13). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-13) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.14CSEL 4:151–152

aiunt igitur theologi uestri et uetustatis absconditae conditores, tris in rerum natura Ioues esse, ex quibus unus Aethere sit patre progenitus, alter Caelo, tertius uero Saturno, apud insulam Cretam et sepulturae traditus et procreatus: quinque Soles et Mercurios quinque, ex quibus, ut referunt, Sol primus Iouis filius dicitur et Aetheris habetur nepos, secundus aeque Iouis et Hyperiona proditus genetrice, tertius Volcano, non Lemnio sed Nili qui fuerit filius, quartus Ialysi pater, quem Rhodi peperit heroicis temporibus Acantho, quintus Scythici regis et uersipellis habetur Circae. iam Mercurius primus, qui in Proserpinam dicitur genitalibus adhinniuisse subrectis, supremi progenies Caeli est, sub terra est alter, Trophonius qui esse iactatur, Maia tertius matre et Ioue procreatus sed tertio, quartus suboles Nili est, cuius nomen Aegyptia gens horret et reueretur expromere, quintus Argi est interemptor, fugitiuus atque exul et proditor apud Aegyptum litterarum. sed et Mineruae, inquiunt, sicut Soles et Mercurii quinque sunt, ex quibus prima non uirgo sed ex Volcano Apollinis procreatrix, Nili altera proles et quae esse perhibetur Aegyptia, stirps Saturni tertia est et quae usum excogitauit armorum, Iouis quarta progenies quam Messenii Coryphasiam nuncupant, et quae Pallantem occidit patrem incestorum adpetitorem est quinta.

Your theologians, then, and the authors of hidden antiquity, say that there are three Jupiters in the nature of things: one begotten of Father Ether, another of Heaven, and the third of Saturn, both born and buried in the island of Crete. Five Suns and five Mercuries: of whom, as they relate, the first Sun is said to be the son of Jupiter and is considered the grandson of Ether; the second, likewise of Jupiter, born of Hyperiona as his mother; the third, of Vulcan, not the Lemnian but the son of the Nile; the fourth, the father of Ialysus, whom Acantho bore at Rhodes in heroic times; the fifth is held to be the father of the Scythian king and of shape-shifting Circe. Now the first Mercury, who is said to have neighed with lust at Proserpina with his parts erect, is the offspring of highest Heaven; the second is under the earth, who is claimed to be Trophonius; the third was born of Maia his mother and of Jupiter, but the third Jupiter; the fourth is the offspring of the Nile, whose name the Egyptian people shudder and fear to utter; the fifth is the slayer of Argus, a fugitive and exile, and the discloser of letters in Egypt. 'But there are also five Minervas,' they say, 'as there are five Suns and Mercuries': the first not a virgin, but the mother of Apollo by Vulcan; the second the offspring of the Nile, who is held to be Egyptian; the third is the child of Saturn, who devised the use of weapons; the fourth the offspring of Jupiter, whom the Messenians call Coryphasia; and the fifth is she who killed her father Pallas when he sought her incestuously.

Notes and citation

Summary: Pagan theologians distinguish several Jupiters, Suns, Mercuries, and Minervas, multiplying gods under the same names.

  • The lists follow Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods 3.53–59. The digital text has 'tus' for 'tris', a stray '15', 'Yolcano', and 'Lemnioset'; these are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text; misread letters in the digital text; stray number in the digital text; words run together in the digital text): tus in rerum → tris in rerum; Iouis 15 et → Iouis et; Yolcano → Volcano; Lemnioset → Lemnio sed.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Nat. d. 3.53–59 (Cicero; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.14 (CSEL 4:151–152; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-14). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-14) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.15CSEL 4:152–153

ac ne longum uideatur et nimium, minutatim uelle capita ire per singula, aiunt idem theologi, quattuor esse Volcanos et tris Dianas, Aesculapios totidem et Dionysos quinque, ter binos Hercules et quattuor Veneres, tria genera Castorum totidemque Musarum, pinnatorum Cupidinum trigas et quadrigas Apollinarium nominum, quorum similiter genitores, similiter matres, loca quibus nati sunt indicant et originem singulorum suis cum prosapiis monstrant. quod si uerum et certum est et ex rei cognitae adseueratione monstratur, aut omnes dii non sunt, quoniam plures sub eodem nomine, quemadmodum accepimus, esse non possunt, aut si aliquis ex his est, ignorabitur et nescietur, quia sit consimilium nominum confusione caecatus. atque ita per uos ipsos, quamuis fieri nolitis, efficitur, ut haesitet religio conturbata neque habeat finem certum, in quem dirigere se possit multis elusa ambiguitatis erroribus.

And so as not to seem long and excessive by wanting to go through each item in detail, the same theologians say that there are four Vulcans and three Dianas, as many Aesculapiuses, and five Dionysuses, twice three Herculeses and four Venuses, three kinds of Castors and as many of Muses, a set of three winged Cupids and a set of four bearing the name of Apollo, whose fathers and mothers they likewise point out, and the places where they were born, and show the origin of each with its lineage. If this is true and certain and shown by the assertion of an ascertained fact, either none of them are gods, since several cannot exist under the same name, as we have learned; or, if one of them is, he will be unknown and not recognized, because he is blinded by the confusion of like names. And so it comes about through you yourselves, though you would not have it so, that religion wavers, thrown into confusion, and has no certain goal toward which it can direct itself, deceived by the many errors of ambiguity.

Notes and citation

Summary: The theologians' multiplication of gods with the same names leaves religion confused and uncertain.

  • These lists also come from Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods 3.53–60.

Extrabiblical texts: Cicero, Nat. d. 3.53–60 (Cicero; allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.15 (CSEL 4:152–153; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-15). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-15) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.

4.16CSEL 4:153–155

fingite nos enim uel auctoritate commotos uel uiolentia terroris uestri induxisse in animum Mineruam uerbi causa sacris uobis sollemnibus et ritu uelle adorare uolgato: si, cum diuinas apparamus res adgredi atque aris flammantibus sua reddere constituta, Mineruae omnes aduolent ac de istius nominis possessione certantes poscant sibi singulae apparatum illum sacrorum reddi: quid in medio faciemus nos animal tenue uel in partes quas potius pii muneris officia transferemus? dicet enim forsitan prima illa quam diximus: meum nomen est Mineruae, meum numen, quae Apollinem genui, quae Dianam et ex mei uteri fetu caelum numinibus auxi et deorum numerum multiplicaui. immo, inquiet quinta Minerua, † tutunis, quae marita et puerpera totiens castitatis purae inminuta es sanctitate. nonne uides in Capitoliis omnibus uirginalis esse species Mineruarum et innuptarum his formas ab artificibus cunctis dari? desiste igitur nomen iuris tibi adsciscere non tui. nam Mineruam me esse genitore ex Pallante procreatam, testis omnis est poetarum chorus, qui Palladem me nuncupat deriuato a patre cognomine. quid dicis, inquiet secunda haec audiens, ergone Mineruium nomen tu feres parricida petulans et ex amoris incesti contaminatione polluta, quae dum te fucis atque artibus excolis meretriciis, etiam patris in te mentem furialibus plane cupiditatibus excitasti? perge igitur, aliud tibi quaere signum; nam mea res ista est, quam Nilus maximus fluminum..quis generauit ex liquidis et in uirgineos habitus roris concretione conduxit. quodsi fidem inquiris facti, Aegyptios et ego testes dabo, quorum sum Neith lingua, Platonis testificante Timaeo. quid deinde arbitramur fore? desistetne et illa Mineruam se dicere, cui Coryphasiae nomen est uel ex Coryphae matris signo uel quod ex uertice summo Iouis parmam ferens emicuit atque armorum accincta terroribus? aut illam, quae tertia est, cessuram patienter nomine? et non dictis talibus habituram rationem sui et primarum adrogantiam refutaturam: itane tu audes maiestatem tibi mei nominis usurpare sinceram, ex caeno et ex gurgitibus prodita coagulataque limosis? aut tibi tu alienam dignitatem adsumis deae, quae de uertice procreatam mentiris te Iouis et rationem te esse mortalibus ineptissimis suades? ex capite Iupiter conceptos filios procreat? et ut arma quae gestas procudi possint et fabricari, in uerticis ipsius cauo officina fabrilis fuit, incudes mallei fornaces folles carbones et forfices? aut si uerum est quod adseueras, rationem te esse, desiste tibi nomen id quod meum est uindicare: nam quam dicis ratio non est species numinis certa sed obscurarum intellegentia causarum. si ergo, ut diximus, officia nobis adeuntibus religiosa Mineruae adsint quinque ac de huius nominis proprietate rixantes sibi quaeque desideret aut turis suffimenta libari aut ex pateris aureis inferia uina defundi, quo disceptatore, quo iudice controuersias tollemus tantas? aut quis quaesitor, quis arbiter ceruicibus tantis erit, qui inter personas huiusmodi aut uindicias iustas dare aut sacramenta conetur pronuntiare non iniusta? nonne potius ibit domum seseque abstinens ab negotiis talibus tutius esse arbitrabitur nihil horum contingere, ne aut uni dando quod omnium est inimicas ecficiat ceteras aut stultitiae crimen incurrat, si id attribuat cunctis quod esse oportebat unius?

For imagine that we, moved either by authority or by the violence of your terror, have made up our minds to worship Minerva, for example, with your solemn rites and in the customary manner. If, when we are preparing to undertake the divine service and to pay her dues on flaming altars, all the Minervas fly to us, and, contending for possession of this name, each demands that that sacrificial preparation be given to her: what shall we do in the midst, feeble creatures that we are, or to which party shall we rather transfer the duties of pious service? For perhaps that first one we mentioned will say: 'Mine is the name of Minerva, mine the divinity, who bore Apollo and Diana, and by the offspring of my womb enlarged heaven with deities and multiplied the number of the gods.' 'No,' the fifth Minerva will say, '..., you who, as wife and mother so many times, have been diminished in the holiness of pure chastity. Do you not see that in all the Capitols the image of the Minervas is virginal, and all artists give them the forms of the unmarried? Stop, then, claiming a name of a right not yours. For all the chorus of poets is witness that I am Minerva, born of Pallas as my father, who call me Pallas by a surname derived from my father.' 'What do you say?' the second will say on hearing this. 'Will you bear the name of Minerva, you wanton parricide, polluted by the defilement of incestuous love, who, while you adorned yourself with paints and harlots' arts, even roused your father's mind toward you with plainly frenzied desires? Go on, then, look for another emblem for yourself; for this title is mine, whom the Nile, greatest of rivers, begot from its liquid waters and brought into virgin form by the thickening of dew. If you ask proof of the fact, I too will give the Egyptians as witnesses, in whose language I am Neith, as Plato's Timaeus testifies.' What then do we think will happen? Will she too desist from calling herself Minerva, whose name is Coryphasia, either from the sign of her mother Corypha or because she sprang from the very top (vertex) of Jupiter's head, bearing a shield and girded with the terrors of arms? Or will the one who is third patiently give up the name? Will she not take account of herself with such words as these, and refute the arrogance of the first: 'Do you dare to usurp the pure majesty of my name, you who were brought forth and clotted out of mud and muddy whirlpools? Or you, do you take on the dignity of another goddess, you who falsely claim to have been born from the head of Jupiter and persuade the silliest mortals that you are reason? Does Jupiter beget children conceived in his head? And so that the weapons you carry could be forged and fashioned, was there a smithy in the hollow of his skull, with anvils, hammers, furnaces, bellows, coals, and tongs? Or if what you assert is true, that you are reason, stop claiming for yourself the name that is mine: for what you call reason is not a certain form of a deity but the understanding of obscure causes.' If, then, as we said, when we approach to perform the religious duties of Minerva, five are present, and, quarreling over the ownership of this name, each wants either the fumes of incense to be offered to her or wine to be poured out from golden bowls as an offering, by what arbitrator, by what judge shall we settle such great disputes? Or what investigator, what umpire will there be for such great personages, to try either to award just possession among persons of this kind or to pronounce not unjust judgments on the pledges? Will he not rather go home and, keeping himself away from such business, think it safer to touch none of these things, lest by giving to one what belongs to all he makes the others his enemies, or incur the charge of folly if he assigns to all what ought to belong to one?

Textual problem in this passage: see the notes.

Notes and citation

Summary: Arnobius imagines five Minervas quarreling over the sacrifices offered to 'Minerva', leaving the worshiper unable to decide between them.

  • Plato, Timaeus 21e, identifies the goddess Neith of Sais with Athena. A word is corrupt at the start of the fifth Minerva's speech ('† tutunis'). '..quis' after 'rivers' is doubtful in the digital text; translated by sense. Several stray marks and 'ant' for 'aut' are corrected.

Notes on the original text

  • Digital text corrected (misread letter in the digital text; stray period in the digital text): Capitoliis. omnibus → Capitoliis omnibus; polluta., quae → polluta, quae; dignitatem. adsumis → dignitatem adsumis; desideret ant turis → desideret aut turis.

Extrabiblical texts: Plato, Tim. 21e (Plato (works); allusion)

Cite (SBL): Arnobius, Nat. 4.16 (CSEL 4:153–155; trans. Sophia Scriptura, https://sophiascriptura.com/fathers/arnobius-nationes/3-39/#p-4-16). (abbreviation not yet checked)

BibTeX · RIS (whole work; this passage's key: sophiascriptura-arnobius-nationes-4-16) · Report an error

Translation: Translated by Claude from the Latin text of Reifferscheid, CSEL 4 (1875); made independently of existing English translations and compared afterwards with ANF 6.